veteran-class

[eternal sable]

its 15-21%

1% health is 2 hp for me

[exotic sandal]

Most I’ve gotten was 19% health

[eternal sable]

nothing to write home about

[scenic bronze]

More stam :u

[terse idol]

Wait

[exotic sandal]

You like to run away

[terse idol]

Are you running 3 combat ability regen?

Because its terrible

[eternal sable]

i have a few 17% thoughness

[scenic bronze]

Gotta snort that 12% somehow

[terse idol]

Even with VOC without the revive talent it's only giving you.... 3 seconds of ability power reduction

[scenic bronze]

Who said I use VOC

[terse idol]

With all 3 curios

What do you use?

[scenic bronze]

Infil

[exotic sandal]

Eh I see combat ability recharge being kind of useful.. if you are running that ability that gives you an additional charge

[terse idol]

Well 5 seconds of cdr

🥹

[serene bough]

i find for infiltrate its not necessary

when you run -90% threat reduction you're effectively getting upto 20seconds of stealth anyways

[scenic bronze]

Neither is 10+ stamina bar code but here I am

[serene bough]

well, at least for ranged units

[terse idol]

Well 7 seconds is not good

Is all I can say

[eternal sable]

the only place i find combat ability regen being decent is fury of the faithful zealot

[terse idol]

That is to say for 4% cdr on 3 curios

For a 60s cooldown on infiltrate with 2 charges

[crisp bronze]

I have 3 +3 Stamina Curios at purple rarity and none of them have a single tier 4 perk. Let alone a good tier 4 perk like gunner resist. I should probably upgrade all three and see what I get but I'm always plasteel starved cause I like farming weapons too much lol.

[exotic sandal]

What if I wanna be super duper sneaky, blood axe levels of sneaky, maybe that’s why I want the little recharge boost

[serene bough]

its definitely a reasonable choice to be super sneaky

but i find it's overall redundant to be that sneaky

[terse idol]

Whatever the case I just hope you're awaare scorpioo

You're just getting at max 7 seconds

[scenic bronze]

7 secs of joy

[trail leaf]

Isn't 20% gunner resist is the only one that matters?

[terse idol]

Joy of what

[forest blaze]

-threat is mostly for doing game boy events, scanning, and rezzing you brain dead teammates

[scenic bronze]

hitting F quicker

[terse idol]

Infil on 7 seconds is terrible

🥹

7 seconds off a 60 second cooldown

[forest blaze]

It’s never really at that cd because you’re killing specials right?

[exotic sandal]

Most randos that I’ve come across that use infil don’t even attempt to revive teammates 💀

[scenic bronze]

Tactical awareness makes it pretty much instant

[terse idol]

That is if you take the ability to reduce cooldown with elite kills, then it really doesn't matter

[tall sleet]

wdym that's the only reason to press it 😔

[forest blaze]

Which you should

[terse idol]

They need to actually buff ability cdr curio but it's a fine balancing act

As it stands imo it suuucks

[forest blaze]

Nah

[tall sleet]

its only specials iirc

[eternal sable]

yeah its kinda ass

[forest blaze]

It’s not ass

[crisp bronze]

Veteran Stealth is actually better for clutching in my opinion because it lasts so long. It's just a bit harder to use in combat because it doesn't give immediate bonuses on it's own. You need to use weapons that specifically benefit from it to get the most offensive use. But in terms of utility? Vet stealth is pretty awesome for that. Like getting obj for free as an example.

[eternal sable]

ye kinda

[terse idol]

Yes it is

[forest blaze]

There’s tons of specials that spawn all the time

[terse idol]

No

[exotic sandal]

They use it to run away from hordes of poxwalkers or to reposition

[terse idol]

I'm talking about the curio Ability cdr

[forest blaze]

Oh

[terse idol]

It sucks

[forest blaze]

It’s fine

[terse idol]

No it's not

[forest blaze]

It takes off a couple of kills for your reset

[sharp ember]

stack +60% pox hound resistance so you maximize the amount of time you waste not dying and respawning because you ran off into another area and got dogged

[terse idol]

You literally give up alot of damage resistance

It takes off..

Maybe 1 kill

Or not even

[rotund prism]

I prefer the shout with the team-wide toughness bonus myself. You can keep it up almost constantly and it can really make a difference

[forest blaze]

You don’t really need damage resistance

[tiny summit]

There's a double edged logic to reviving with infiltrate. It is a free revive most of the time. It's also likely the things that downed the person are still up and will beat them to death as soon as they are up and the vet is out of infil

[tall sleet]

true just dont take damage

[terse idol]

Yes...you should

[scenic bronze]

In the alpha release I use to run 66% toughness for the memes, it was all memes smudgels always has been

[exotic sandal]

Either way infil is my favorite ability, it’s allowed me to survive on my own a couple of times

[terse idol]

What?

[forest blaze]

You need +ordo and that’s about it

[terse idol]

Most Vets I've talked to run Gunner res

And if youre really min maxing

[north raptor]

so what blessings do you want on your power sword? and what mark of power sword?

[forest blaze]

I use plas and just kill all the gunners and use cover

[terse idol]

You're not running ordo+

[north raptor]

i know there's the extra energized swing blessing

[sharp ember]

has anyone considered bomber and flamer resistance with the new flame damage changes

[terse idol]

I run it too

[tiny summit]

I do like stealth on my helbore just to reposition so I can keep shooting

[forest blaze]

Always ordo+ lmao

[south spindle]

Stamina best curio

[terse idol]

But ability cdr sucks

[exotic sandal]

Do they run full gunner res? Or just partial like only on 2/3 curios

[eternal sable]

gunner resist on vet is a noobtrap

just shoot them

?

[terse idol]

I mean I run on all

Its not a noob trap????

[eternal sable]

lol here we go

[terse idol]

You either run gunner and a mix with sniper

[rotund prism]

Me with my ranged immunity on weakspot hit pistol

[terse idol]

Why you laughing doe?

[forest blaze]

Or use cover lmao

[south spindle]

Yes... indeed.... Here we go is about fitting for a take like that...

[exotic sandal]

I literally only found out about curios yesterday so I don’t know what the frick I’m doing XD

[terse idol]

Pound for pound its pretty high value

Especially if you run all 3

[crude ermine]

The curios are simple

[eternal sable]

i dont find myself ever really getting shot by gunners

maybe tahts because im a backline player and i shoot them all in the head

[south spindle]

Gunner resist effects Reapers.. .you know.. those things that can pin you in a corner and wipe your ass off the face of the earth by result of you not being able to move

[terse idol]

I mean sometimes you don't always have cover
The first room in carnival when you drop down has gunners sometimes spawning in 3 out of the 4 gunners in that room

[exotic sandal]

If only I could aim bot like you, my accuracy stinks that’s why I’m more comfy with these revolvers

[rotund prism]

I run a ranged immunity pistol myself, i never really find myself bogged down by gunners or reapers because they can't hit me.

[tiny summit]

Ah reapers. Either they are immediately seen and killed before they can start shooting or somehow unseen and chunking your party's health

[sharp ember]

Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum for optimal horde clear
Power Cycler + Sunder for situational mixed elite horde cleaving
Power Cycler + Rampage/Slaughterer when you cannot acquire the above ^
mk6 more popular than mk3 due to its stronger single target stab option, but take what you can get if you get either with the optimal blessings

[rotund prism]

The reload is shorter than the immunity period, so as long as i have ammo i can just keep going

[south spindle]

Best curio is Stam. Stam Regen, Gunner, Sniper. Period

[eternal sable]

lol mud

[terse idol]

Thats good and all but suggesting that gunner res a noob trap isn't good is all im saying, its a valid talent, it's why even some folks get sniper res on 1

No no why you laughing though

[tiny summit]

Fuck that room

[terse idol]

Yeah!

[north raptor]

thank you guardsman!

[terse idol]

This is why I run gunner res for the times when you are actually getting shot

[eternal sable]

gunner resistance is amazing on ogryn and zealot for sure

because you have to run up to the gunners to deal damage for the most part

unless you go gunlugger kickback

[forest blaze]

I mained Psyker with purg staff so using cover and pushing down ranged dudes isn’t really a problem for me 😂

[rotund prism]

Geninely try a ranged resist pistol, you don't need cover. Mine has supression immunity and ranged attack immunity on it and it slaps

[terse idol]

I mean, I would argue zealots can get away with it because some of your abilities give you iframes

[crisp bronze]

Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum for optimal horde clear and single target.

[south spindle]

Yeah.... you take Gunner resist for the times your bogged down in other shit as aside from Trappers/Fire, Gunners + Reapers are the strongest force multiplier

[terse idol]

If youre ranged you're shooting ranged with ranged

[exotic sandal]

Does sniper res even help at all tho, seems pointless considering you can usually kill then before the hit you and on those unlucky instances when they do hit you it’s like an Ogryn threw a big friendly rock at my face

[terse idol]

They dont swap their weapon

[terse idol]

Its a safety net

[tiny summit]

The ogryn dilemma. Have limited ammo and can easily melee kill rifleman plinking you but also overwhelmingly annoying getting plinked

[crude ermine]

Just in case

[terse idol]

The rare instances where you will get shot having 20% will help

[eternal sable]

if you run shout you can tank a full sniper shot

[terse idol]

And if you run VOC

[eternal sable]

without any curios

same with crusher overheads

[terse idol]

There are times when you can block a good chunk of the damage

[south spindle]

Wot?

[eternal sable]

your toughness will tank it

[south spindle]

Maybe on Malice

[forest blaze]

On damn too

[eternal sable]

i have mud i swear

a few times

[forest blaze]

It’s nutty

[terse idol]

You cannot block a crusher overhead with voc on damnation

It will bleeed

[south spindle]

Yeah no.... they have a spillover mechanic

You will get deleted

[eternal sable]

i have 185 base toughness and exhillerating takedown + shout

its nutty

[forest blaze]

Iron will helps too

[eternal sable]

^

[exotic sandal]

Nice talking to you all, maybe if you guys are available in 10 hours we can run a round or two

[terse idol]

Again

Just be careful what advice you're giving

Gunner res is one of the better curio options

[eternal sable]

its good but not the most optimal

[terse idol]

Ability regen is one of the worst

[south spindle]

There are not a whole lot of other viable choices ngl

[terse idol]

It is optimal!

[south spindle]

Ability Regen is dog yeah

[eternal sable]

its not optimal unless you feel like running into gunners on vet

[terse idol]

We don't have many choices!

[eternal sable]

if you backline vet like a normal person and dont melee in a horde surrounded by gunners ur good

[terse idol]

You're not running into gunners

They literally.... shoot you

From range

[eternal sable]

shoot them back lol

[terse idol]

You are more vulnerable than even a zealot who fan use a charge who gives them iframes

[eternal sable]

in the head it takes 1 shot

[terse idol]

They will hit you

Is what I'm saying

[eternal sable]

take supression immunity ?

[tiny summit]

Considering what is available in curios, we're all just eeking out oh so little of extra survivability. Lame there's no class specific perks on curios

[terse idol]

Gunners will shoot you in large rooms with little cover

[bitter turtle]

that's because

people fucking hold out

[south spindle]

See: both of the new maps

[bitter turtle]

next to the goddamn stupid medicaid

[eternal sable]

if youre in the middle of a room and getting shot from all directions and die

[forest blaze]

The worst place

[bitter turtle]

im so tired of pinging the best holdout spot there and nobody going lul

[eternal sable]

thats a you problem

[south spindle]

Yep... sad though it is, the opposite corner is massively superior

[terse idol]

Well yeah they also need to kinda hang out closer to the doors

[bitter turtle]

ya

[tiny summit]

Maybe just recency bias but I keep seeing gunners this patch propping up and sitting next to dhs

[bitter turtle]

you mean on the opposite side right

like

back and right

[south spindle]

Under the dropdown yeah

[bitter turtle]

facing the console from where we come in

yeah

i always

keep pinging that shit

nobody goes

[terse idol]

I mena the more you play the more you realise that gunners will shoot you thats just a regular mechanic

[bitter turtle]

then surprised pikachu when ppl take a ton of damage

[crisp bronze]

+Ordo Dockets is the best Curio perk because it let's you roll Brunt's more often. Clearly the best choice.

[south spindle]

Yeupppp an then they all die as a result

[eternal sable]

shoot them first -.-

[quaint valve]

Honestly if you make a build with choice of talents, weapon, and curios and you can complete an auric mission and have fun doing it. I dont really care what you are using 🙂

[bitter turtle]

like that spot makes the room so easy

i always just have to cope

[terse idol]

If youre a vet running pgun too it can feel bad to left click to shoot regular gunners

[bitter turtle]

and hold out on the table

[teal abyss]

I mean you kinda can, stunning them out of an overhead with the activation has saved my ass a bunch of times

[bitter turtle]

underneath one of the dropdown spawns

[forest blaze]

My lobbies always just run around the room out of coherency and get picked off by the shotgun/rager bombs

[south spindle]

"Why arent you resing me" because you decided to try stand in the middle of an open fucking room you dozy lemon

[bitter turtle]

its close enough to help their dumbasses

[terse idol]

Yes that's fine

[bitter turtle]

while being

[sudden sundial]

seems solid

[bitter turtle]

OK

not great though

[terse idol]

I just dont want someone calling gunner res a "noob trap" it just isn't and it has good value

[tiny summit]

No

[sudden sundial]

oh

[crude ermine]

The blessings are nice

Everything else no

[quaint valve]

Pen stat is really low, i would not get that one

[terse idol]

Like yes it's fine and dandy to say "don't get shot" but it's covering a very common damage type

[sudden sundial]

aight

[crude ermine]

Always gotta have that good pen

[terse idol]

That will shred you

[tiny summit]

You have those blessings, they are lvl 3, not even a 360 base chainsword. I would not recommend

[crude ermine]

Which for some reason brunt doesn't like to give

[quaint valve]

Chainsword you can dump moblity

[sudden sundial]

any new good melee, i havnt played in a few weeks

[teal abyss]

New chainaxe fun af

[bitter turtle]

the shovel

[crude ermine]

Powersword and the new shovels are nice

[forest blaze]

mk3 shovel and mk12 chaxe

[crude ermine]

I prefer III

[terse idol]

The mk3 sapper shovel is fun

[south spindle]

I dont think the man plays Damnation im not gonna lie, advice like you can tank a Crusher overhead with VoC and Gunner resist bad says a whole lot, i'd just not engage with him were i you

[crude ermine]

Oh new I missed that

[quaint valve]

Catachan MK4 is not new, but is still one of the best imo @sudden sundial

[eternal sable]

you are so noob mud

you can literally tank a crusher overhead

[terse idol]

I'm gonna give bongo a benefit of the doubt

[south spindle]

[eternal sable]

just because your build doesnt let you dont say its not possible

[terse idol]

But you cannot be calling taking gunner res a noob trap

[terse idol]

Most builds don't 🥹
And I'm someone who runs dclaw exclusively to parry Ragers and crushers

I'm not gonna face tank an overhead...

[sudden sundial]

aight

[south spindle]

Its just moronic to even contemplate

[bitter turtle]

why tank the easiest attack to dodge in teh game

why did they buff ragers

[south spindle]

"Ah yes, let me tank the highest single damage attack in the game, seems like a good plan"

[bitter turtle]

they already were the most annoying elite

[scenic bronze]

Parry crusher slam is hilarious

[south spindle]

[teal abyss]

I thought most recent change to ragers was a nerf

[crude ermine]

It wouldn't hurt to test it, I would but I ain't at home unfortunately

[bitter turtle]

idk did they change them again

[crude ermine]

Health nerf

[bitter turtle]

they buffed them in 14

or 13

i forgot

[south spindle]

They recently had thier HP nerfed

[bitter turtle]

o good

[south spindle]

Nah that was muties

[bitter turtle]

fuck ragers

honestly

i want them reworked

but that's just me

[eternal sable]

didnt the just nerf them ?

[bitter turtle]

there's like no way to engage them in melee with some weapons lol

[south spindle]

They kinda need to be, because they're the least engaging enemy in the game

[tiny summit]

We're in vet chat, grab a helbore and stab them

[eternal sable]

lowered their hp or something

[bitter turtle]

just run away and shoot

[eternal sable]

^

[south spindle]

Melee enemy you need 1000+ hours to fight in melee, great game design

[crude ermine]

There ya go

[teal abyss]

Or just mark them with middle keystone and one body shot them with surgical+maniac

[bitter turtle]

but then i have to use a helbore

[crude ermine]

Or just

Shoot them with gun the god emperor blessed ye

[bitter turtle]

though ill admit

[forest blaze]

imo it's not the one rager that's a problem. It's the group of 6 that run up and all shrek you at once 😂

[bitter turtle]

when bayonet was proccing limbsplitter

[tiny summit]

No you gotta assert dominance meleeing ragers

[bitter turtle]

god

damn

that was catharsis

running into a pack of them

[quaint valve]

Theres plenty of tools to deal with ragers, even if vet class is not best at it, it is a team game which should help shore up that weakness

[bitter turtle]

mashing that special attack button

[tiny summit]

Even w/o limbsplitter it still wrecks them

[bitter turtle]

yes there's plenty of tools

called my gun

[crude ermine]

I liked to do that with the powersword

Not alone OFC

[south spindle]

Yeah.. they have perfect tracking, bad hitboxes, and you cant effectively dodge thier attacks, they deffo need some work. The answer to melee enemies shouldnt have to be "pull out your gun"

[bitter turtle]

and for some melee weapons there are just no tools

[teal abyss]

I refuse to accept Helbore slander

Such a fun gun

[crude ermine]

I couldn't get into it

[quaint valve]

dclaw though is my choice for ragers specifically. nothing like killing 3 in a half second parry

[bitter turtle]

v7 is just helbore but fun

[forest blaze]

my answer is to press f to infiltrate and send all 6 of those dudes to the psyker

[bitter turtle]

:^)

[crude ermine]

I've never tried the parry but I've heard it's strong

[teal abyss]

Can you two shot Crushers on Damn with a V7?

[crude ermine]

I always viewed the weapon as basic

[sudden sundial]

aight infiltrateion vet, whats a good ranged option. i was using a braced autogun

[south spindle]

Ironically Psyker has a better chance of killing them safely because Duelling Sword

[forest blaze]

I'm running plasma with chaxe12

[terse idol]

Iirc they reduced spawns but increased health of many specials

[quaint valve]

Its very good, can use parry to lock up bosses even. Very good to help tank for your team against monstrosities

[terse idol]

I don't entirely remeber gotta check the notes

[sudden sundial]

i assume no krak with since plasma

[tiny summit]

I think it's perfectly valid. It is a mixed melee/shooting game

[forest blaze]

Unless things changed, they can one shot with duelingsword and with deimos but their dodges are way better with dueling

[south spindle]

Your options on Vet are Shovel, if you have the room to leverage it, which often you wont, PSword, which needs a FAT rework because its a clown's weapon atm, and Catachan Sword

[eternal sable]

ragers feel much better now tbh

[south spindle]

Yeah, only with one of em though

[eternal sable]

a month ago hab dreyko finale was 30 non stop waves of 18 ragers

[forest blaze]

Frags are amazing, so you pretty much always go frags. I'm trying out smokes right now because I'm playing around with infil weapon specialist with chaxe

[crude ermine]

Odd how I watched a video on the parry vs monstrosities

Weird how you can parry more against monstrosities than maulers

But still looked pretty cool

[terse idol]

Yes they toned the spawns down but they're more tanky iirc

[quaint valve]

It takes some practice but the combos are very flexible, has hoard clear, single target, and of course damage immunity. Having that as a melee weapon in your back pocket on a range class is valuable

[sudden sundial]

what u run on chax?

and which chax?

[tiny summit]

My appreciation for smokes went up for the first defense in the first Carnival map

[south spindle]

Its valid, but it shouldnt be the only option, between their sticky attacks that pin you in place and their perfect tracking, it makes them exceptionally hard to brawl with

[forest blaze]

DUDE ME TOO

[crude ermine]

Putting it that way sounds like a perfect all rounder for any situation

Damnit now I wanna try it on vet too

[bitter turtle]

also ok

tbf

i tested it

[teal abyss]

Thrust is pretty good but I prefer horde perks because chaxe already good enough at single target, I rock the +Power on Hit and Enemy kill to make it a horde cleaver

[quaint valve]

It is, but it also means you have to know when to use which part of it during a situation. Makes it harder than just turn on PS and swing all day

[crude ermine]

Ah I see

[bitter turtle]

you can in fact tank a crusher to the face if you have all 3 stacks of ET up, iron will, and VOC

i still dont recommend it tho

lul

[sudden sundial]

dope

[bitter turtle]

it still spill sthrough like 10 dmg tho

[crude ermine]

Had a feeling

[quaint valve]

You dont use parry on everything, its bad for hoard clear. I think that is a trap a lot of people fall into with Dclaw

[forest blaze]

mk 12 chain axe. the new one
I'm doing +maniac +flak with slaugherer/thrust but I'm working on changing that to thunderous/bloodletter

currently, I can one heavy KO both ragers and all maniacs and I can one special heavy maulers and crushers

[forest blaze]

I hear thunderous/bloodletter does the same and is better against monstrosities

[sudden sundial]

nice

[crude ermine]

Makes sense

Why party when you can slice

Weak lobbers

[quaint valve]

yep

[tiny summit]

If I were to change anything, would be longer gaps in their combo and those gaps being less stagger resist. Like allow me to block the first few hits and be able to stagger them easily with like a combat axe special

[crude ermine]

Reminds me of the heavy sword in a way

[quaint valve]

Parry even works getting hit from behind, its like blocking so 360 degrees

[crude ermine]

Damn

I always forget that it's a 360

[forest blaze]

I was gonna say... i just want there to be better stagger windows so you can more effectively face them

[quaint valve]

Azreal always with the quick clips 🙂

[terse idol]

Eh they're the stand in for Beserkers in v2 certainly it's as intended

Lord forbid you need to fight plague monk

[bitter turtle]

well I wasn't the one saying you couldn't

i just wanted to know if it was true

😔

[terse idol]

Or I should say 6 plague monks

[tiny summit]

I have thunderous and bloodletter on the new chainaxe. Don't have a lot of time with it but I do like that if you dodge cancel out of a rev hit, bleed will take a crusher down to half

[jade notch]

Dropped into an Auric Diff 5 HISTG already underway that we should've wiped before the first Medicae. Just kept having people drop until me and the Ogryn got the two Psykers. Fucking kings refusing to give up until we salvaged the run:

[tiny summit]

All the time I've used it, doesn't do shit

[sudden sundial]

good start so far

[forest blaze]

nice. I heard it's also good against monstros with the huge bleed stacking

[terse idol]

You do need the right modifiers on it iirc

[tiny summit]

That's ass

Maybe the stagger move should stagger

[brisk sapphire]

Berserkers are designed to be blocked and often punish if you don't

At least it's not as bad as Vt2 where the last hit of the berserker combo can nearly one shot you

[crude ermine]

Can confirm

I've been on the receiving end of it

[bitter turtle]

tell that to the knife punch

[terse idol]

[sudden sundial]

holy shit the tech tree is different

[tiny summit]

I've stared at ragers in the face, hit my special on my combat axe and feels like 7/10 times it doesn't do shit

[terse idol]

Hell yeah

[sudden sundial]

someone got an infiltrate build i can work off of

[brisk sapphire]

Most people just shoot ragers in the face in this game anyway.

[crude ermine]

Yeah, why play on their turf

[quaint valve]

Oh yeah its much more flexible now

[forest blaze]

I have 2

[scenic bronze]

Only thing worse than fighting a rager in melee is fighting it in melee with someone else

[sudden sundial]

i assume middle tree one is tankier

[forest blaze]

still working on my smokes build

[tiny summit]

Again I've stared at ragers in the face in my games, hit special and doesn't do shit

[forest blaze]

middle tree is tankier by far and you're awesome in basically every situation

4 tinkerer frags + stockpile + demo team solves a lot of the world's problems

[sudden sundial]

Survivalist is an odd touch

[quaint valve]

This is the way

[forest blaze]

survivalist is really good with plasma so you can go longer stretches without needing ammo drops.

[sudden sundial]

Oh yeah i havnt used much plasma

[quaint valve]

Survivalist is just so good to keep team topped off, especially on high difficulties

[terse idol]

Its goood

[forest blaze]

survivalist is also good for your team so they have ammo while they give you most the ammo drops

[crude ermine]

Survivalist is just good in any scenario

[forest blaze]

pretty much

yah you keep that shiz to yourself 😂

[sudden sundial]

I use braced autoguns allot so survivalist feels bad for that

[forest blaze]

yah you only have 2 magazines for plasma but you have big boi magazines

[sudden sundial]

Nice

[crude ermine]

The game loved giving me a shit ton of axes, what are the optimal blessings for it

[sudden sundial]

How the hell does focus target work?

Do i just mark?

[forest blaze]

you just tag things like normal and reap the extra damage and toughness benefits. anyone who kills the pinged target counts

yah

[tiny summit]

Maybe the stagger poke should stagger

[sudden sundial]

Oh ok cool

[quaint valve]

havent used axes in awhile, which mk is preferred?

[quaint valve]

Its in the clip mate?

[crude ermine]

Yeah that makes sense

[little path]

Which class do you find has the worst players?

[forest blaze]

It's the easiest to manage with great returns since the toughness replenish happens regardless of who kills the target

[sudden sundial]

Damnation is... red now.....

[little path]

namely you just drop into a random mission on auric level

[crude ermine]

None and all at the same time

Every class has that ass player while also good

[tiny summit]

And I'm telling in my games, I've stared at a rager in the face hitting them with it and they don't care

[flint garden]

my auric psykers keep blowing themselves up

[carmine cradle]

shovel

[sudden sundial]

The main reson i dont level my payker anymore

[forest blaze]

Normally it's not class but it's weapon specific. If I see a vet or zealot with a knife I'll normally be concerned.
If I see an ogryn I'm fairly happy
Psyker's I'm mid on but if I see assail still I think they're bad

[quaint valve]

Well seems to be just for you then, guess you will just let the rager take you down everytime

[little path]

Assail is mostly mandatory for certain builds

[sudden sundial]

Whats the i frame duration with parry?

[crude ermine]

I prefer to run smite with a VS stave

[little path]

if you have anti elite staffs like surge or trauma there's no reaons to bring BB

[forest blaze]

assail also has the drawback of being a noob crutch for forever, so there's a LOT of bads that still use assail and shouldn't be in aurics

[patent orchid]

how do I get a first curio it unlocked

[little path]

I get scared when I see zealots with flamers

[crude ermine]

Level up your class

Oh

[quaint valve]

its ok some people it just doesnt work for 😆

[crude ermine]

Misinterpreted that

[patent orchid]

im lv 9

[forest blaze]

yah I don't mind the flamers. in some levels I look forward to flamers/purgs but I get real concerned if I see knife zealots or vets.

[crude ermine]

Brunt has some

You can also get them from mission completes

[little path]

I also see way too many zealots that think they're still on malic or something

[forest blaze]

factual

[little path]

and just hold shift and run at 18 gunners

[south spindle]

It would be healthier for it to get nerfed in all honesty

[forest blaze]

"why didn't you guys go with me"

[crude ermine]

Damnit now I want to try the DC AND axe

[south spindle]

Same with Plasma, same with PSword

[fast scaffold]

You have to wait for the hourly store to reset

[quaint valve]

the classic zealot divebomb

[south garnet]

yes, it's been flavored with taco bell fire sauce

[south spindle]

These massive outliers that outperform everything else by a mile are literally the things that need to be pointed out an adressed

[forest blaze]

idk plasma is fine

[south spindle]

Its really not dude

You shouldnt be able to gank 15 gunners as they come out a spawn door with one shot

[tiny summit]

Never said the combat axe wasn't good. It's actually my favorite weapon atm. My personal experience I've literally squared up in front of ragers, hit poke and they just do no care. I'll take your advice on the push attack though. My helbore poke feels a lot more reliable in staggering ragers over any of my experience with combat axe poke

[forest blaze]

kek

[quaint valve]

I think im ok with this being a power fantasy game

[little path]

Game shouldn't be spawning 15 in a single doorway

the AI got outplayed

[forest blaze]

sounds like cope

[tall sleet]

director skill issue

[forest blaze]

^^

[south spindle]

Yeah, an you're able to, but for the longer term players, that makes the game incredibly dull and boring

[tiny summit]

Nah plasma should be powerful and the gunners deserved it.

[little path]

it's fine overall

[jovial nexus]

Can someone recommend me some normal autoguns, I have only tried lasguns,bolters, plasmagun and revolver

[south spindle]

There is so much in the way of free damage nowdays that things which are already strong, are outright broken

[fast scaffold]

Columnus is good (IAG version)

[little path]

it deals with elites and specials really well

[tiny summit]

Think it's completely fine, the game can be balanced in other ways and be challenging over hitting the fun stuff to be less fun.

[little path]

but has a tougher time against a shit load of shooters and lacks raw DPS for monsters

[quaint valve]

Columnus is "meta" but honestly they are all usable. Infantry autos tend to be more popular on the vet than the braced ones

[forest blaze]

"plasma guns are finally good now and they can do stuff I can't so the fatshark should nerf them so they have less fun"

[south spindle]

Not really, because the obvious answer is then buff everythings HP by 200, or even 500%, which has the exact same effect as a weapon nerf

[acoustic wyvern]

agripinna infantry autogun is most balanced for you

[sudden sundial]

Plasma guns are so cool

[wanton dawn]

Why nerf plasma when you can buff the rest

[forest blaze]

😂

[south spindle]

Cope is needing a weapon to play the game for you

[acoustic wyvern]

huh

[tiny summit]

Columnus IAG will be your close range bullet hose. Graia IAG will be your slightly longer range and more stable one. Aggri is nice if you like it's slow fire rate

[acoustic wyvern]

why would you wanna nerf plasma

[south spindle]

Zero effort required, just W and LMB

[little path]

you could say that about any gun

[acoustic wyvern]

isnt that the same with all guns

[little path]

just w LMB with columnus mk5

just w lmb with laspistol

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-parker-tobey-maguire-spiderman-tears-gif-13846595

[south spindle]

Take the cleave down to 20 with uncharged an 50 charged, it'll still obliterate anything you point it at, but it wont be a free pass to a win

[wanton dawn]

Well, you do what you want but don't expect flower when you are telling ppl they get carried by their stuff and should be playing the correct way

[quaint valve]

whats nice about this game, is that you can choose to use what you want and it'll still generally be effective and fun. SO if you dont want to use plasma, then dont use plasma

[little path]

I don't know anyone using the plasma gun for horde clearing

[south spindle]

Yes, this is sadly many community members when nerfs or balancing is mentioned

[acoustic wyvern]

yea it obliterates but it overheats pretty fast

i mean

its a plasma gun

[south spindle]

"dont nerf my favourite broken thing!!! Waaaaahhhhhh!"

[junior needle]

You actually gotta click heads with the laspistol due to it being weakspot dependent, but the columnus still does fantastic body shot damage

[acoustic wyvern]

it fucks

[tiny summit]

Who said there needs to HP or damage nerfs? Different circumstances and variables can still make things fresh. I don't think the game is anywhere near a point of us being too powerful right now for the VAST majority of the playerbase.

[acoustic wyvern]

its suppose to fuck

[forest blaze]

"please nerf that thing because they're having fun waaaaaaaaahhhhh"

Literally cuts both ways bro

[south spindle]

It might be a hot take, but Auric shouldnt be like normal mode, which currently, it is

[warped bay]

The MK X heavy pistol any good? Is it worth upgrading?

[south spindle]

Yep, Kickback deffo needs nerfing

[little path]

yes

[wanton dawn]

That's kinda is the most elitist thing you could say

[little path]

kickback needs reduced ammo reserve

[bitter turtle]

auric has faster tension gain no?

[south spindle]

Lo and behold, if the "challenge mode" is no longer challenging and 90% of the community is playing it as a result, then there is no "hardmode"

If you want a power fantasy, play Malice

[forest blaze]

I mean

12% play rate

[south spindle]

Thats literally what its designed for

[tiny summit]

I bet for the vast majority of players it isn't and there's still likely not insignificant failure rate where you think it is

[wanton dawn]

I have 1k hour in this game. If auric was not my normal mode I would be the biggest scrub of the discord

[junior needle]

They reduced the minimum pellets from 16 to 12, not the total damage. A 25% damage nerf would tank a lot of breakpoints for it and break the gun even with surgical in the mix.

[wanton dawn]

Granted

I am

[tiny summit]

You're on a games discord talking about game balance and plasma being too powerful. You are the minority of a minority

[hollow ibex]

no wonder the gun felt like it hadn't really been nerfed

[south spindle]

And many of us have more than that. Player power is far too high these days

[little path]

The simple problem is you're talking to players that are active on this discord

IE

[south spindle]

Ah yes, let me shoot a Crusher dead in 1.2s, thats balanced.

[little path]

players who actually are INTO this game

and would include more players who play the hardest modes

[acoustic wyvern]

i don't think alot of people have more than 1k hours

[wanton dawn]

So what ? Game should be balanced for player above hundred of hours ? A PvE game ?

[south spindle]

Whats the point of even having an armour system if the game can be trivialised to that extent

[acoustic wyvern]

maybe more than 300 but definitely not 1k

[little path]

To set up different resiliances that require a more diversifed build?

[south spindle]

But they dont anymore

[little path]

while allowing higher damage weapons to be weaker against hordes?

due to ammo limiations

or other mechanics like

overheat

[forest blaze]

(that's how plasma works)

❤️

[south spindle]

You can have all the damage and all the armour pen, and all the melee, and all the ammo, with no significant downside on every build

[little path]

I would hope

It would suck to have builds that MUST have a inherent downside

[bitter turtle]

idk

[zealous wyvern]

it can be a power fantasy.... just dont make damnation a power fantasy. go play malice right?

[bitter turtle]

i dont think i can have everything iw ant on one build

[south spindle]

Game is literally babying us an people are too dense to see it

[little path]

then pray the matchmaking gives you teammates that fills those weaknesses

[bitter turtle]

i still have to give up nades on most of my builds

[quaint valve]

What game are you playing? You sound like you have 100% solo auric win rates

[bitter turtle]

also i play with friends that play really casually

they suck ngl

[tiny summit]

Dude. You are the minority. A healthy game doesn't balance around you

[acoustic wyvern]

see those shooters spread out in like 15 different locations. plasma can't clear them faster than any other gun

[junior needle]

It's a sizable nerf to its ability to deal with shooters and snipers, or anything at range really. Snipers take 2 shots no matter what now unless you run a troll perk setup with unarmored and something else.

The thing with the gun is that going from 1>2 shots is a massive downgrade due to the nature of the weapon, and if you can't reliably one tap at a decent range with flak/maniac/surgical/good rolls then it's going to feel like dogshit.

[bitter turtle]

evven normal damnation is too much for them lol

[acoustic wyvern]

without overheating of course

[bitter turtle]

i only auric when im solo

[south spindle]

A healthy game is balanced full stop, this one is not currently

[bitter turtle]

that's just my personal experience

i win them around 50/50

i think that's fine

[south spindle]

You might not like it, but i can almost guarantee player power is gonna be coming down in the future

[nimble sentinel]

on a ludonarrative thought, isn't it kinda cool how we are complaining about the difficulty?

#veteran-class message
The game isn't easy for the new people just coming in, and these people either give up on the game for whatever reason or stick with it and become us, the tried and true sweats who can look at a wall of crushers and go "bet"

Fatshark has created a ludonarrative of becoming a named warhammer 40,000 character

[junior needle]

This is truly kafkaesque

[forest blaze]

factual
not to mention you need a very specific build to OHKO both gunners and maniacs and now you're not OHKO crushers/maulers or good at other things.

[nimble sentinel]

very raw thought, not enough actual argument put in, "it came to me in a dream" vibes

but I like this

[tiny summit]

What is "balance" to a PvE co-op game? What is "objectively" balanced for a dude talking about game balance on a game discord vs balanced for the 90% playerbase?

[terse idol]

Well yeah I mean

[nimble sentinel]

kafka was the goat

[wanton dawn]

I only play auric maelstrom, so I should be in charge of balancing malice scrub

[terse idol]

The issue being even average players struggle even on 3, and then if you play 4 you really gotta work hard

[nimble sentinel]

this game is making me appreciate cato sicarius more lol

[atomic zephyr]

we should make damnation the lowest difficulty

[south spindle]

Balanced is one weapon not being able to do everything, balance is appropriate challenge in situations that demand it, balance is not having outliers that significantly overperform all of their contemporaries, balance is everything being viable, but not brokenly strong....

[terse idol]

Its a tight balancing act of balancing for the lowest common denominator, average players, high level players and I don't think FS is really thinking about balancing for the top 0.1%

[ebon umbra]

people dumping stupid hours in a game then calling it easy is a tale as old as pong

[junior needle]

Balance is when a finesse weapon deals 3-4x the amount of body shot damage of a non-finesse weapon. This post was made by fatshark balance team gang.

[little path]

so then the plasma is balanced

[acoustic wyvern]

auric maelstrom makes your blood pump. it always does for me and its perfect

[terse idol]

Because the game isn't built for solo auric

[tiny summit]

It is confusing when I keep reading patch notes about them putting more attention on malice and below

[terse idol]

But people cann do it

[south spindle]

Like i said... if they brought the cleave down some, it would be fine

[little path]

it can deal with high health and high armor or enemies that are all in a striaghline

but can't deal with spread out hordes

[south spindle]

Combat axes are another one thats hugely problematic, as are PSwords

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/get-jiggy-with-it-jolly-cat-jiggy-cat-jiggy-get-jolly-with-it-gif-10530927213104800320

[terse idol]

Which is fine

[bitter turtle]

i think you guys overestimate the avg playe rin this game lol

even your shitty auric pugs are better than the avg

[serene bough]

I miss playing malice

[elder vessel]

What the fuck is a ludonarrative

[serene bough]

There was soemthing special about barely trying yet having fun

[acoustic wyvern]

look at dota 2

[ebon umbra]

ludite

[bitter turtle]

the avg player cannot even handle a horde alone

like legitimately

[wanton dawn]

I don't watch dt content tbh. Except for highly specific stuff from ppl that sound knowledgable but that is not what the yt algorithm push

[bitter turtle]

an elite-less horde

[little path]

true

[tiny summit]

What is "brokenly" strong for PvE co-op game where the vast majority of players are in no way feeling the way you do and definitely aren't being baby sat during their auric damns or even normal damn?

[acoustic wyvern]

hardcore players mess up the game for newbies

[bitter turtle]

they will die

[south spindle]

Players dont have to improve anymore in all honesty, because they're getting hard-carried by stat bloat

[bitter turtle]

on damnation if left alone

[little path]

most players die against normal hordes

[terse idol]

Well itsss

Its another issue

Dota 2 is at its core a competitive game

[nimble sentinel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludonarrative_dissonance#:~:text=Ludonarrative%2C a compound portmanteau of,(gameplay) and narrative elements.

jargon translated: when gameplay and storytelling are the same

[acoustic wyvern]

i knowwww you wanna say i'm right hehehe

[junior needle]

Pretty sure it's like a kilometer or something, I wouldn't know because I'm from freedomland

[nimble sentinel]

like how dark souls handles dying and coming back to life

[terse idol]

Average players even in dota will not understand some of the nerfs

[carmine cradle]

yo what are your thoughts on the new shovels

[tiny summit]

The only thing I thought was "brokenly" strong to the detriment of the game was assail psyker lvling pre damnation

[terse idol]

I knoow

[acoustic wyvern]

still can't dig shellscrapes

[little path]

assail was truly OP on release

[south spindle]

Assail is still brokenly strong tbh

[tiny summit]

Average players in dota are lemmings that hugged around low 3k or even below.

[terse idol]

I want to say dota 2 isn't balanced for strictly pro play but I don't know even valve is smart enough not to kill hero's because the biggest playerbase is still the average players

Not immortals

[fast scaffold]

I find auric games quicker than malice games on US servers

[ebon umbra]

just wanted to say this
mrcraime=good player
changed my dt perspective. at least try to see things from his pov and then make a decision

[terse idol]

Not pro players

[south spindle]

But thats Psyker in a nutshell, free damage, free DoTs, free dodges

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/Y-3IV11_ZgA?si=bobKvUkR8AZYgfl4

[scenic bronze]

Turn auric into a rogue mode, character deleted on death and all those millions invested into guns

[south spindle]

The whole class is free more or less

[frank ether]

and I still see people crying that its ''useless'' that ''noboy uses it anymore''

[wanton dawn]

LIAR. I am absolutely terrible and I get at least 50% of things wrong

[acoustic wyvern]

free? they gotta manage peril the whole game

[carmine cradle]

is there a krieger voice in darktide?

[terse idol]

Well imo Psyker is one of the harder classes to play

[south garnet]

based

[south spindle]

Oh no, a thing you can instantly get rid of in like 2s flat, how balance, how skill

[terse idol]

Mute all your voices lines

That's your krieg voice

😌

[frank ether]

the ship on a team based game with classes that have actual strong/weak points have sailed in P13

[carmine cradle]

no i want funny german man

[terse idol]

Krieg canonically don't speak

[little path]

name a psyker build

[wanton dawn]

I am going to print that and post it on my wall

[frank ether]

fkin

[terse idol]

Not much anyways

[frank ether]

typing is hard

smh

[nimble sentinel]

this is the imperium of man, and we're all bri'ish

[south spindle]

You gonna add some context to that?

[ebon umbra]

the sign of someone who cares about getting better and isn't concerned with their ego. even if u were a bot, at 1k hours u should be more than decent

[frank ether]

this is so sadge

[acoustic wyvern]

gamesworkshop is bri'ish

[terse idol]

Theyre a STAND in for ww2 Germany, but rank and file krieg don't speak

[carmine cradle]

no some of em are from other parts of europe

[little path]

there's no context to add

just name a psyker build of your choosing

[carmine cradle]

dont the scream while charging with bayonets

[nimble sentinel]

for now

[south spindle]

Gunpsyker, Scriers, Assail, Columnus, Perilous. have fun raking in 2x minimum damage of the next guy in the team without really having to try

[terse idol]

There is no tooth fairy, there is no Europe in 40k

[acoustic wyvern]

germany had best drip, but drips don't win wars

[robust basin]

Hey guys, I'm new to the vet class, what weapons are y'all using that are top teir with what skills/perks currently?

[little path]

Gunpsyker ahas high raw DPS but lacks carapace damage unless you're using your sword

which in that case

have fun fighting 5 crushers

[acoustic wyvern]

according to mud just use plasma to win

[bitter turtle]

quick

tell him that its recon

[south spindle]

You realise thats absurdly easy right?

[little path]

you also burn ammo and eat it from other temamates

[bitter turtle]

so he thinks its trong

then eventually finds out its weak

[carmine cradle]

i still mfs screaming in a german accent in warhammer

[south spindle]

The special attack on DS is lunacy

[bitter turtle]

but learned how to win with aw eak gun

[terse idol]

That's fiine

[south spindle]

Literally staggers them out of all their attacks

[terse idol]

I would rather just have a voiceline that's no voices

[nimble sentinel]

Columnus IAG is a staple
Plasma is useful everywhere
Revolver is beloved
These mfers are sleeping on infantry las though

[carmine cradle]

can we get the chainsword in there?

[terse idol]

And then VOC says funny krieg stuff

[acoustic wyvern]

hey man when are you gonna add in braced agri there

[little path]

staggers one

now what about the other 4

[robust basin]

Yeah all i have currently is a orange chainsword and kantrael las minigun

[little path]

you rely on teammates

[terse idol]

It is

It still is S+

[acoustic wyvern]

i will stab you

[little path]

it has a clear upside but can struggle against certain situations

[terse idol]

What?

Its just better

[south spindle]

No... you stagger one, poke another, dodge an attack, rinse an repeat, hell, you can stagger them all if you so desire, its not high risk

[terse idol]

Can't stab a man that's right

[acoustic wyvern]

I'll stab you too

[elder vessel]

So basically

We're him

[acoustic wyvern]

hell i'll stab all of ya'll

[little path]

and how long are you doing that until the next 6 flamers show up

[robust basin]

Bro the columnus IAG is pretty wild on my zelot. Surprised when i heard it was viable

[little path]

if we're talking auric that's going to be every other minute

[tiny summit]

Lunacy but the way you talk about balance I get the idea that psyker just cleave pokes them all and dead in 1 sec. Players still dance around them. The average player still gets clipped. It isn't them looking at the 5 crushers and instantly dead

[pliant rain]

i got decimator IV and headtaker III on my rashad mk2, which one shoud i switch to brutal momentan

[south spindle]

Given it takes like two or three heavies to nuke one, not very long

[little path]

or dogs or trappers or snipers

[terse idol]

Its one of if not the best guns in the game rn

[little path]

or mutants

sure in a vacuum every build is overpowered

[south spindle]

So you're not capable of processing more than one group of enemies at any given time... ok, noted

[little path]

oh so you're relying on ad hominum arguments because you lack any valid argument

noted

[south spindle]

Flamers are an exception at the moment simply by virtue of fire being giga-broken

[terse idol]

wheeze

[south garnet]

'viable' is certainly a conservative way to put it - ciag on zealot can melt a crusher in 15 bullets of a 50 round mag through the crit tree and chastise lmao

[robust basin]

I dunno i feel the recoil is a little much when ads. I still prefer the agrip BAG

[wanton dawn]

Here ya go

[bitter turtle]

if tehy nerf fire wont the game be too easy tho

[terse idol]

After the first few shots its manageable AND if you crouch its eeeasy

[tiny summit]

Oh so there's time in between? You mean there's no other enemies? Oh you mean no monstrosity can spawn? No flamers cutting off viable dodge space? No poxwalkers in your potential dodge space? 5 crushers just completely free?

[south spindle]

All i hear is skill issue, play DS an get back to me, its ludicrously easy to dance round enemies an basically one hit everything

[bitter turtle]

unironically i kinda like fire as it is

[terse idol]

Once you get used to that

[bitter turtle]

lul

[terse idol]

Its so good

[white minnow]

spraying and praying without much regard for aim also works with the columnus

as long as you've got a good amount of crit chance

[little path]

if every single player could just go gunpsyker and dueling sword then """easily""" kite the entire game on their own

[acoustic wyvern]

HELLO Friend, yes the agri iag is best balanced gun

[bitter turtle]

if they nerf fire i hope they bring back 2x the flamer/bomber like patch 13

[little path]

then why would anyone play any other class

[south spindle]

Again... are you capable of processing more than one group of enemies at any given time? No? Then what the hell are you in Auric for

[terse idol]

Columnus also just lets you mag dump into hordes, I'm trying a build with exec stance and focus target and I can reliably take down a crusher in 20~ bullets

[wanton dawn]

Go ahead !

[little path]

but you're treating it like everyone plays perfectly at all times and thigns don't go wrong from RNG or just being in the wrong place sometimes

[delicate moat]

"reduced specialist spawns"

[little path]

All I'm hearing is you still haven't googled what ad hominum means

I'll give you a minute

[robust basin]

Dang what?? My perks/bless must be garbage on mine. Whats your setup?

[bitter turtle]

i liked it when everything was on fire 😔

[south garnet]

it's not unplayable. the main thing that frustrates me about the fire is that player behavior hasn't changed with it, and people will rez you standing in a pool of it so they can make sure you're down 2 wounds instead of 1

[teal abyss]

Nah, you should have an opportunity to get out of it without it being a pretty much guaranteed down to get caught in lol, they need to play with the values a little bit, like if you manage to get yourself caught in fire you should pay for it with some health damage but pretty much instant down is too much

[little path]

oh no, this player doesn't play like a well oiled perfect infalable machine that reaches my standard of "average player"

clearly he doesn't konw what he's talking about

[south spindle]

Yes, things will sometimes go tits up, thats the nature of the game, the more time spent and the more comfortable you get with such situations, the less commonly they become a real problem, and thats when you notice when stuff is seriously busted

[terse idol]

People need a lesson to pickup people safetly

Even now I feel like people are still learning darktide

[acoustic wyvern]

i think its more romantic to pick you up in danger tho

[tiny summit]

Never said I couldn't. Most players arent feeling this "free crushers" situation you speak of. Also variables never happen. Nope never. Especially not a trapper shooting through a fence or a the crusher conga line

[little path]

new fire feels like a step back

kills way too fast IMO

[terse idol]

Like, ayy if you have infil, Don't res the guy who's gonna get overheaded by a crusher and a mauler

Its safer to res when they're dead

[bitter turtle]

ok hear me out

what about new fire

[robust basin]

They still need to fix it. It still sometimes oneshots you the second your rezzed

[bitter turtle]

AND also 2x bombers and flamers

but ragers are deletd from the game

[delicate moat]

martyrdom vet/psyker be like

[bitter turtle]

i fixed darktide

[teal abyss]

Ragers are fun af

[tiny summit]

Wound stocks are up when the team hasn't realized the fire was buffed

[terse idol]

I don't think it needs to be fixed people need to learn to res safetly

I mean....

I dunno how they'll figure it out

[north raptor]

no hope, no safety

only wahhahhghhsghh

[acoustic wyvern]

like that one bruno mars song

[nimble sentinel]

new patch:

-u guys were rite, ultrasmurfs deployed. Game is over, you get to not die on the planet

[acoustic wyvern]

he'd catch a grenade for me

[little path]

People do tend to rez in bad places and bad times

[terse idol]

Like people are sometimes safer stuck on the ground

[bitter turtle]

yes i love fighting a horde of crushers and maulers at melee range perfectly but literally 3 ragers show up and i have to pull out the gun and run

[little path]

it's like an airplane

help yourself before you help others

[robust basin]

No, even in Sedition runs, fire has melted thru my health like butter. Its outta control

[bitter turtle]

fuck ragers

[terse idol]

Yeah

[south garnet]

This would be a decent tooltip in the tutorial, but honestly the tutorial needs a 100% do-over if it's gonna actually help anyone. It makes you believe you're going to be using cover and suppression as actual game mechanics among other things - the actual gameplay is so different from the tutorial's implications that I feel like it would be better to have gameplay cut from tutorial entirely and just have it be a walkthrough of all the equipment, how to use it, when to pick people up, and similar very practical utilitarian tips

[terse idol]

Oh fire

I thought we were talking about ressing in general

[teal abyss]

Dclaw? Any chain weapon? Power weapon? My Helbore Fuckin one shots ragers on damn lol they’re not that scary at all

[south spindle]

Trappers are just kinda broken at the minute tbh, I've had many a clutch ruined by one shooting me through a solid object

[little path]

I would say cover is actually important

[delicate moat]

do not the ragers

[bitter turtle]

depends on your weapon

[south spindle]

It'd be nice if they had some kinda respect of terrain and enemy hitmass

[little path]

I see way too many people stand in the open when trying to fight shooters

[bitter turtle]

a lot of melee options just cant stagger them

yes

i get that some weapons can stagger and its not a problem

[robust basin]

Like im a fully kitted up lvl 30 and in getting downed by SEDITION fire? Get it together yall

[bitter turtle]

it was pure catharsis to charge into them with a bayonet and poek them to death

a full horde of them

but i dont like some melee weapons just being "lul just gun"

[acoustic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[terse idol]

Just gotta respect where it's going down

[bitter turtle]

against them

the fastest elite

[terse idol]

It'll be fixed soon

But you still won't want to sit in fire

😌

[tiny summit]

I would love the enemies to bm each other more. I need to see what the mutant is doing to everyone when it charges with all the specials

[bitter turtle]

like why cant there be an actual dance against them if your weapon cant break their stagger lul

[south garnet]

In the sense that you might use it as a passing barrier mid-sprint or slide or repositioning, not in the sense that in the tutorial where you're huddled behind a barrel taking pot shots with periodic peeks like you're playing gears of war

[ebon umbra]

i want to see a mutie blow up from running over a burster

[nimble sentinel]

I am perplexed by the amount of people taking the shooter class who act like they've never played a shooter before

[south garnet]

movement is the name of the game, even with the most stationary builds

[little path]

really? I actually sit in cover a lot

[terse idol]

Because you feel like a hero

[robust basin]

Not if I'm blocked in a corner and two flamers toast me and I'm down in less than a second.

[jade notch]

Is Wrath 4 worthwhile on the OG Cadian Chainsword? (Mk IV)

[little path]

That might just be due to teammates but

I find that in most situations I'm the only one with a gun for some reason

[acoustic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/crawl-duke-gi-joe-a-real-american-hero-the-traitor-war-gif-17523756

if cover was real in darktide

[little path]

and have to spend a solid 3 minutes picking off all 80 gunners alone

[hybrid river]

No, if you want cleave savage sweep is much better

[tiny summit]

Pskyer's just saying "nuh uh"

[terse idol]

Columnus be like:

[nimble sentinel]

you can literally aim above a chest high wall if you hug it while crouching and ads, it is real

[robust basin]

Whats your other bless? Depends on what two things your gonna lock

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-arnold-schwarzenegger-firing-gun-shooting-gif-17297618

[hybrid river]

Even then you can very well do without cleave on the og chainsword

[south garnet]

There are a handful of situations where turtling behind cover is genuinely beneficial, but as a general rule the longer you sit still the further you're nudging the doomsday clock on six waves of specials loving you tenderly

[nimble sentinel]

and before you tell me that's just aesthetics or some shit

I did do it do deal with gunners

[acoustic wyvern]

thats true, chest high wall is real

[nimble sentinel]

it works

[jade notch]

@hybrid river
@robust basin
Don't have one, I saw a Mk IV that had Wrath 4 from Melk and was eyeing it.

[robust basin]

Why tf aren't they sliding? God i hate noobs

[patent orchid]

SHOVEL

[little path]

My most played classes are psyker and vet

[acoustic wyvern]

till the dog jumps over the chest high wall

[nimble sentinel]

can we get much higher...

[terse idol]

It is at some point only so much tutorialization you can do

[little path]

and I'm starting to feel like it's just to babysit other players who decide face charging gunners is a good idea

[terse idol]

Like ahh it's tough

[acoustic wyvern]

its mechanics, you wouldnt understand

[terse idol]

Because having a background in V2 has benefited me greatly

[jade notch]

A Shovel with Skullcrusher 4 is my Holy Grail right now, ngl

[little path]

some zealots take the roleplaying too hard

[robust basin]

Just buy it to pull the bless off. Having all the T4 Blesses is just good for future proofing each class

[south garnet]

Indeed, which is why I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world to excise it from the tutorial entirely in favor of more practical tips

[delicate moat]

face charging gunners is a great idea

[crude ermine]

No such thing smh

[jade notch]

Ehh, fuck it, I can always earn more Melk Bux. Buying that shit.

[acoustic wyvern]

how else am i gonna flex my 60% gunner resist

[crude ermine]

Show them dominance

[terse idol]

But the tutorial should be updated abit yeah, some of the learning will probably still need to be tutoriallizdd on a YT "Basic tips for playing darktide" "advanced tips" etc

[acoustic wyvern]

vet is the only class that can tank bullets

[robust basin]

Now that all weekies go to one bank, im swimmin im melk bux

[nimble sentinel]

this post was fact checked by true Moebian 6th patriots

TRUE

[terse idol]

Zealot when they just charge forward

[south spindle]

Laughs in Gunlugger regenerating over 500% toughness whilst in PBB

[terse idol]

😌

[south garnet]

Yea, and honestly tutorial is basically fine. I usually expect tutorials to be useless so it's fine

[robust basin]

Ffs PLASTEEL is harder to get than melk bux

[jade notch]

Mostly because you go through so much Plasteel 😔

[south garnet]

My personal ideas for improvements aside it's whatever

[hybrid river]

And a good bullgryn can tank bullets as long as he has things to hit

[robust basin]

Im always outta Psteel its really annoying

[terse idol]

Just play auric damns...
Get enough to upgrade 1 weapon to gold

[south spindle]

Yeah... Ogryn can tank nearly anything at the moment

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/tinytim-tim-poor-child-boy-gif-7331148

me at the plasteel line

[nimble sentinel]

auric doesn't give you more plasteel, play regular damn

[terse idol]

I thought it gave you a bigger modifier

[robust basin]

Lollll auric damn pub runs? Sure i love wasting my time on wiping with a bunch of sub lvl 30 players 😞

[nimble sentinel]

bigger $$$, not mama hadron bux

[terse idol]

I mean thatssss

[fast scaffold]

Quick play is the only thing that adds bonus to damnation mats

[copper pine]

You get more ordos

[south garnet]

Auric dams give more dockets but not more plas

[terse idol]

Its debatable yeha you'll probably survive more damnations

Huh

[teal abyss]

You can very easily just dodge queue if anyone under 30 is in your lobby

[nimble sentinel]

I'm sorry you had to learn this way, child

[fast scaffold]

Aurics are still more worth it imo, because personally I find that dockets are more important than plasteel after you have weapons you like because you start trying to get god rolls

[south garnet]

Also people in auric dams are little bitches and will just outright not pick up mats because they are dog cnts

[robust basin]

Bro its wild every time i do, i get slotted in with the same group in QP. like 80% if the time.

[copper pine]

If your goal is solely to farm plasteel, low intensity damnation is good

[patent orchid]

you guys looking forward to Space Marine 2

[nimble sentinel]

quickplay does boost your plasteel tho

[acoustic wyvern]

ew we're all elitist here get that nub shit outta here

[bitter turtle]

no

space marines are stinky

[robust basin]

People dont search for it, i dont get it.

[copper pine]

True qickplay is also good

[patent orchid]

but skulls foir the skull thorn

[acoustic wyvern]

y-yea....they don't Look away

[south garnet]

drives me absolutely fucking mad watching people walk by and not even open up crates, even double and triple wides

fuck you

[nimble sentinel]

you might also join a game right as it fails, free effortless loot!

[teal abyss]

Idk gameplay looks kinda clunky and weird, hopefully delay smooths things out. I also didn’t play the first one tho so maybe just it’s style

[robust basin]

YOU.

[acoustic wyvern]

[tiny summit]

"Alright brunt here's 300k dockets, give me the best new laspistol you have!"
"Best I got is 350"

[bitter turtle]

you asked for the best he has

teh best he has is 350

[robust basin]

PICK IT UP. YALL KEEP LEAVING ME BEHIND WE'RE NOT ALL RICH OVER HERE

[fast scaffold]

If I drop 300k I usually atleast break 360+ once or twice

[acoustic wyvern]

wdym i'm out of plasteel too

[patent orchid]

fair but BG3 was buggy at first and it was and is a great game

[acoustic wyvern]

but

the blood gods demands blood

[north raptor]

except sometimes youc ant shoot through those visible holes in fences

[south garnet]

brunt rubbing his hands knowing he has a 375 in the back but he wants to watch you buy 50 shitty ones first

[robust basin]

Ahhh true enough

[tiny summit]

The other time I was going for a columnus. Gave me a 367 with dump stat being dmg and stopping power

[hard cave]

veteran fans when they meet rookie fans

[patent orchid]

change for the change god

[acoustic wyvern]

but for real i'm guilty of leaving loot

[delicate moat]

dmg being the dump stat on 375

[acoustic wyvern]

idk i just run and kill and get ammo

[elder vessel]

+10% ordo dockets my beloved

[south garnet]

AND EVERY TIME MOBILITY HITTING THE 80 CAP! COOL! VERY COOL! NICE!

[hard cave]

We love running +45% ordo dockets

[orchid condor]

pain...

[tiny summit]

About to download that mod that autobuys and sell at certain rating thresholds

[acoustic wyvern]

sure my team is doing fine i think but hey pew pew right

[tiny summit]

Just load up psyker and bb

[robust basin]

The dude lovveessssss to give my ogryn sub 350 rippers to me ALL DAY im nearly in tears guys

[fast scaffold]

It's a life changer

[acoustic wyvern]

oof

[patent orchid]

ha

[little path]

what's the laspistol settup>?

dumdum and infernus?

[acoustic wyvern]

someone take away his bm blessing

[copper pine]

Dumdum and whatever really.

[robust basin]

Bro i aint got the money to make that mod useful to me 🤣🤣😭

[acoustic wyvern]

the hell you spent your dockets on

[robust basin]

Second i get paid its thrown into the brunthole

[acoustic wyvern]

oh man

[robust basin]

Rollin greys babyyyyyy 😭😭😭

[north raptor]

"brunthole"

[bitter turtle]

i saw art of a genderswapped brunt

you might want to be careful of that wording

[robust basin]

Its wide open baby throw all ya dockets down his hole

[delicate moat]

do not the brunt

[acoustic wyvern]

this sounds dangerous

should i look into this brunt

[tiny summit]

I'm saving for those million plus outfits now. Because reasons.

[acoustic wyvern]

or term or w/e

[robust basin]

SIMPIN FOR THAT BRUNTHOLE

[robust basin]

Oh what pattern combat knife is that?

[delicate moat]

Mk 1

[robust basin]

Nice

Is bald momentum viable on it?

[delicate moat]

mk1 combat knife is all cleave no single target

[robust basin]

*brutal sorry

[copper pine]

Best typo

[bitter turtle]

bald momentum is hard to stop

[steep vault]

I'm willing to bet all my other lasguns I'm gonna brick it

[bitter turtle]

once you strat losing that hair

it just keeps going

[acoustic wyvern]

seems to slide through cleanly

[steep vault]

100% bricking this

[bitter turtle]

i hope it doesant brick

so you have to sell

[quaint valve]

Technically all humans suffer from bald momentum, it is sweeping the nation

[bitter turtle]

all your other well rolled guns

[robust basin]

Upside is, you get less DoT.
Dandruff over Time.

[gleaming turtle]

The Norwood Reaper waits for no man.

[steep vault]

met this fellow with a chainsword like this

[robust basin]

Where my asians at who still look 20 in their 40s???? 😎✊

[steep vault]

is penetration a dump stat?

[acoustic wyvern]

time to sleep, night doods. Hope slaanesh tickles your anus tonight

[quaint valve]

NOPE, thats an oof. But to be fair those 80% would make me want to try it for fun

[robust basin]

Im deep inside brunt's hole as we speak

[robust basin]

Mobility and Defense are the main dump stat.

[steep vault]

ah

[robust basin]

But usually anything that has less than 50% in either is garbage imo

[quaint valve]

You only want enough for max dodges, usually 50-60

[robust basin]

Yeah with mobility you lose an extra dodge if its under 50%

MAN that bolter that i rolled all 80s EXCEPT in dmg still haunts me

[tall torrent]

Is cleave dmg useful