veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe does it conflict

[tardy plaza]

I'm only at uh

126 zealot, 176 psyker, 31 vet, 32 ogryn

uh +30 technically on all those i guess

[wanton dawn]

I am at 1k vet

[acoustic wyvern]

it only lasts for like 5 seconds and is only a 10%

[wanton dawn]

I am pretty bad too

[scenic bronze]

If I could swap out the third curio blessing id prolly run 3x experience for the hell of it

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe anything you recommend?

I could grab plus two stamina with it

[acoustic wyvern]

what about confirmed kill?

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe the aura boost

[radiant cargo]

is there some new meta for running the full auto las guns in damnation? I've stepped up into it more today in a long time, and every game has ghad vets with them and they're a real bummer. lol

[acoustic wyvern]

survival will increase

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmmm

[lofty lintel]

430 vet 42 zealot 35 ogryn and 0 psyker

[radiant cargo]

are they expecting a certain other kind of build to be there to suplement them> or is there just mental illness out there this morning?

[acoustic wyvern]

you can also grab the middle keystone for support

[umbral scaffold]

The recon?

[radiant cargo]

yea.

[lofty lintel]

no recon lasguns are dogshit

[radiant cargo]

I'm terrible at remembering specific names when I'm not looking at it.

[umbral scaffold]

I love that thing

[lofty lintel]

theyre fun to shoot but not good

[umbral scaffold]

Nuh uh

[lofty lintel]

sorry brother they are objectively bad rn

[acoustic wyvern]

wait no

[lofty lintel]

but its cool i also used it befor they gutted it

[acoustic wyvern]

they're bad in damnation

heresy below is great

[tardy plaza]

I just realized that it's not updating my 1000 scab in melee kills or 750 dregs with ranged kills weeklies

thats awesome

[unique orchid]

Milk moment

[umbral scaffold]

Flak and carapace damage recon god role go brrrrr

[lofty lintel]

they go not so brr

lol

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmmm tell that to the fair number of hordes ive melted

[radiant cargo]

ok. so it's just been pure dumb luck that they're the only vets I'm finding in damnation this morning. slick. lol it was so across the board it felt like a conspiracy.

[lofty lintel]

a grey autogun with no build (lvl1) outperforms a full build god roll orange recon lasgun

its just a fact

[hybrid river]

shooting hordes

[lofty lintel]

yeah bro shooting hordes in malice is not a good foundation to base your argument

[unique orchid]

Now that i think about it, speaking of scabs and dregs, im surprised there isnt a dreg bomber that functions like VT bombadier

[umbral scaffold]

Crit sound go brrrrr meta boi

[lofty lintel]

also youre not really supposed to be horde clearing with it

[acoustic wyvern]

we already have a bomber that throws fat mans. do you want another bomber

[lofty lintel]

until deadshot is no more up and any other gun will still crit more

[umbral scaffold]

Bet

[acoustic wyvern]

everyone will turn uwu

[umbral scaffold]

Let's get more instant killed fire in there

[lofty lintel]

sorry dude its just bad that doesnt make it any less fun though if you like using it keep using it

[acoustic wyvern]

if it works for you, more power to your fun time

[lofty lintel]

yep

[umbral scaffold]

Huh? U still on that? Go off i guess

[lofty lintel]

i cant stand using it on audamn im tickling every enemy

[hybrid river]

He literally just capped off the argument and said do whatever you want

[lofty lintel]

yeah lol

idk what hes yapping about

[acoustic wyvern]

its prolly a miscom no worries

[tardy plaza]

I wish smoke nades stopped snipers from sniping you

[elder vessel]

consecrate?

[unique orchid]

The fat man bomber is on our team, i was more musing on the thought of a gas rat equivalent, though i guess scab bomber is basically that yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Relax bro that was typed before he messaged that

[tardy plaza]

Yea why not

[umbral scaffold]

Omg they don't?

[unique orchid]

Real

[scenic bronze]

So... empty

[tardy plaza]

No, because god forbid smoke grenades work like smoke grenades

[lofty lintel]

recon needs a slight dmg buff and then itll be fine

[south garnet]

I ended the argument before it started and began it once it ended

[umbral scaffold]

Ooof

[acoustic wyvern]

oh man you're right, we do have a fat man bahahaha

[umbral scaffold]

I say give it some more ammo and bump up the reload and fire right

[lofty lintel]

maybe

any buff goes as long as its better than its current state

[umbral scaffold]

If you want this thing to be a fire hose of laser death then make it be a fire hose of laser death

[acoustic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/light-show-diplo-stagecoach-stage-party-gif-25571109

[elder vessel]

It got bricked

[lofty lintel]

LOL

rip

[radiant cargo]

ok, damnation is just full of the mentally deficient today, that's what I'm learning. it is now no longer their fault if I play that difficulty and do not have fun, it's my fault for expecting them to do better 😦

[acoustic wyvern]

i find winning damnation easier if you care more about yourself

yea

[umbral scaffold]

Here's another build I've been tinkering with

[elder vessel]

A SECOND CHANCE

[umbral scaffold]

WOWZA

[lofty lintel]

damn its even better

good luck

[elder vessel]

fuck

[hybrid river]

Useable

[umbral scaffold]

Yesh

[lofty lintel]

replace wrath for rampage and the melee damage against elites for something else and its good

[acoustic wyvern]

ah thats also my chain of thought if i see teamates surrounded by ragers and fire

[elder vessel]

that cara damage

[hardy ember]

Hot shot lasguns on the way soon? The carbine lasguns are some of the worst I’ve seen

[elder vessel]

will forever haunt me that its not maniac

[acoustic wyvern]

also even if you're running, positioning is still key to winning

[terse idol]

Theyre auditioning for the role of a baked potato

😌

[hybrid river]

No real timeframe or game file clues besides catshark teasing hellguns

[hardy ember]

Did they really tease hellguns @hybrid river? Must have missed it

[hybrid river]

When part 1 of traitor curse came out a bunch of people were replying to catshark asking about different things to be added to the game. The only one responded to was a guy asking for hellguns as a treat and she said “rejects deserve some hellguns as a treat, I’ll pass it on”

[edgy sleet]

does 2x vets with ammo aura = 2x ammo?

[acoustic wyvern]

ngl i still dislike ogryn melees

[edgy sleet]

cringe

[hardy ember]

Well hellguns and belt fed stubbas would really fit the kasakrin playstyle. Would love to see if

[unique orchid]

[hearty panther]

20% move speed team. One could dream

[acoustic wyvern]

they tried doing a good melee with powermaul but

power maul is shit

[hearty panther]

Oh that'd be gross

[umbral scaffold]

I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not if the knife is a good weapon for veteran

[hybrid river]

Well the trade off is nothing can beat an ogryn in melee due to how much stunlocking he can put out

[hybrid river]

It’s not

[acoustic wyvern]

what secondary are you usin?

[hybrid river]

Couldn’t be me

[umbral scaffold]

The new mark VI

Combat blade

[acoustic wyvern]

no no i meant range weapon

[torn gorge]

just go the way of the rumbler

really

i know of the shortcomings and the rest

[umbral scaffold]

Graia VIII

[torn gorge]

but that is the easiest solution for ogryns vs bulwarks

[tardy plaza]

I understand my problem with Vet

[acoustic wyvern]

you can run anything you want but honestly, get a range that complements your melee and everything is viable. unless you're skilled enough then disregard what i just said

[tardy plaza]

I've barely played it compared to zealot and psyker but instead of practicing in heresies I'm jumping straight into auric damns like an idiot

[gritty mirage]

omg finally

power cycler 4 !

[umbral scaffold]

I mean on my knife I do have uncanny and executioner

[acoustic wyvern]

a perfect weapon

[tardy plaza]

Pretty good sword too

[gritty mirage]

swap to what perks/blessings

[umbral scaffold]

Uoh

[nocturne mulch]

Knife is entirely dependent on which ranged weapon you take

[gritty mirage]

ok

[hybrid river]

I’d swap unyielding to maniac

[nocturne mulch]

Unlike a zealot who can just go 100% knife

[tardy plaza]

It gives the bp for one tapping mutants

[acoustic wyvern]

change that unyielding to tier 4

[nocturne mulch]

Vet you will be using your ranged weapon mostly when you use knife

[acoustic wyvern]

and bulwarks won't be a problem

[nocturne mulch]

It pairs really well with shotguns

As they can easily kill specials at range and add a little bit of anti horde to help your knife out

Also pairs well with bolter, except you use it as a way of making space to reload bolter

But bolter is on the low end of total damage done these days

[muted gorge]

I cannto play Vet i always suck as vet

[acoustic wyvern]

its sad but i rarely see anyone running a bolter now

everything just got better

[torn gorge]

so what you are saying is that there is no ranged option that really shore off knife weaknesses on vet

[umbral scaffold]

Eeeh I feel if you have a good veteran you can keep momentum going but if you have a good zealot you can come back from a lot of close calls that veteran can't

[nocturne mulch]

If you wanted to try run 100% knife and roleplay as zealot (just play a zealot tho?) You can get +5% crit chance talent and the stacking +5% crit on dodge

[lofty lintel]

vet is the strongest class but you have to be skilled

[nocturne mulch]

Then bleed talent and mercy killer + uncanny

[lofty lintel]

to get the most out of it

[terse idol]

Infil on 6 seconds is pretty spicy to help

[muted gorge]

im playing vet to use ranged right, if i wanted to melee more id play zealot

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah, thats why I put the comment in brackets...

[muted gorge]

you're tellin' me you can solo an auric maelstrom like its nothing

[umbral scaffold]

Have you ever thought about maybe you're just a bad zealot

[nocturne mulch]

Basically knife is just a meme on vet

[acoustic wyvern]

lol

[forest scaffold]

what

its the plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

Then I will be a meme machine

[forest scaffold]

like

what

[nocturne mulch]

Its great fun if you're bored and want to play around

[lofty lintel]

melee on vet is extremely strong

[acoustic wyvern]

this guy is the last person you wanna call a bad player

[nocturne mulch]

But it is not a good vet weapon

[forest scaffold]

how the fuck can you look at a plasma gun and go "nope, this doesn't solve my issues" when you're using a knife

[tardy plaza]

Zealot has unlimited shroudfield rn unless they nerfed that build

[torn gorge]

that was not my take, read above

[tardy plaza]

How could you be better at soloing on vet

[muted gorge]

i didnt say anything about anyone being bad

[torn gorge]

but plasma just solve most issues regardless of whatever weapon you are using melee

if we are going down that route

[nocturne mulch]

I have run a few knife builds before, it can be a lot of fun

[gritty mirage]

soloing can allow you to control crowds, and speed through checkpoints

[muted gorge]

oh, im still waking up

[gritty mirage]

im not that skilled but ive seen the solo/duo runs on youtube, pretty cool

[muted gorge]

thats my excuse anyway

[nocturne mulch]

You just have to understand you aren't going to perform as well as other builds

[gritty mirage]

at least i can auric pretty easily now, so i wouldnt say im terrible tho, just not as skilled as the pros lol

[umbral scaffold]

I like fun

[acoustic wyvern]

once you play enough of darktide, everything starts to feel the same, you're just given different kits

[umbral scaffold]

Doesn't matter to me I'm not a meta slave

[delicate estuary]

fun is probably more optimal than meta slaving away

[gritty mirage]

yea just have fun, everyone h as diff build preference too

i ignore guides and just tune to what i like mostly, altho i do get advice for some wep blessings

[forest scaffold]

Uh

I'm still super sus on this one

[umbral scaffold]

Yeaaaaa

[forest scaffold]

Veteran has zero for movement tech

zero

unless you count stealth

[nocturne mulch]

And once you reach a level of player competency everything is viable

[forest scaffold]

And movement tech is more important than any marginal critical hit chance bonuses

or finesse bonuses

[atomic zephyr]

just dodge lol

[forest scaffold]

everything is so op and overtuned

that weapons don't matter

its your skill tree

[delicate estuary]

ofc shout is overtuned

lmfao

[forest scaffold]

and a zealot using chastise+heavysword is better than everything vet has

but power sword

[gritty mirage]

i think i have an easier time on my vet than my zealot in melee, mostly because im a shout veteran lol

[acoustic wyvern]

this is what everyone should be doing. play to what you want or to your strengths

[forest scaffold]

This is the real problem with vet's tree.

He's completely invulnerable with shout up

and a wet rag without it

[tardy plaza]

When a vet can walk up to a sleeping daemonhost or any boss and kill it with one shot then I might be willing to hear that vet is better than zealot at melee

[delicate estuary]

with shout up is understatement when it has almost a sub 10 second cooldown

[gritty mirage]

ive seen both crazy zealot and veteran melee players in my time, so yea both viable

[terse idol]

Well not completly this is why we focus on breakpoints

[umbral scaffold]

HA

[forest scaffold]

depending on special density

which granted

[gritty mirage]

the knife ones are a blur on the screen

[forest scaffold]

is far higher in maelstrom

but they've tuned down the occurences of specials in auric

[gritty mirage]

i got a headache watching lol

[terse idol]

So we can bring back VoC

[forest scaffold]

they spawn more intelligently

so you really have to be on the ball to keep up CDR

[delicate estuary]

when they force you to choose between stagger or overtoughness then I will consider shout balanced

till then

its one of the most overtuned shit

[forest scaffold]

overtoughness just needs to be nerfed to not be literal invulnerability

and give veteran a little bit more TDR in the tree

[acoustic wyvern]

the way i see it

[forest scaffold]

to make up for it

[delicate estuary]

invulnerability is fine but it has to be a choice

[acoustic wyvern]

melee zealot is just a crit build melee vet

[forest scaffold]

so that more builds have access to TDR

[delicate estuary]

either you get to stagger everything

or you get overtoughness

not both

[acoustic wyvern]

with none of the perks

[forest scaffold]

only for one hit

I can take 4000+ damage on ogryn

and not go down once

veteran takes 200 damage and dies

This is the key part everyone forgets

VET TANKY

only with gold toughness bar

Don't talk to me

talk to the average players

who get pasted by crushers and maulers on the reg

[acoustic wyvern]

lol bonk bonk

[forest scaffold]

And its the biggest problem with vet

nerf VoC

spread TDR around the tree

and he's fixed for everyone

[delicate estuary]

cant wait for when shout gets nerfed and everyone bitches about it

[forest scaffold]

naw

shout needs to be nerfed

[tardy plaza]

Buff stealth

[forest scaffold]

NEEDS to be

[tardy plaza]

and smoke nades

[forest scaffold]

and uh

Iron Will could probably be brought to above 60% toughness

instead of above 75%

[proven plaza]

omg the new revolver is all hipfire

[forest scaffold]

snipers, crushers, maulers, and bursters

[forest blaze]

^^

[forest scaffold]

I'm aware

I tank them intentionally for teammates

with VoC gold toughness bar

[acoustic wyvern]

most of the time, i feel like voc has like a placebo effect on most vets. its already nerfed to +50 toughness and all it does is push people around you to the ground

[forest blaze]

You just yell and eat a sniper shot like it’s nothing

[forest scaffold]

I won't get pancaked

they will

worth

[proven plaza]

should have checked it out before spending all thaat plasteel

[acoustic wyvern]

how are you gonna nerf voc even more

[spark helm]

I literally doesn't need to be nerfed. It's just there, a passively strong ult.

[forest scaffold]

with a skill floor on the moon

which is why he sucks ass for most players

[forest blaze]

I find in yoloqueue that no amount of extra toughness makes bad teams play less bad 😂

[delicate estuary]

split its bonuses into nodes for one

[forest scaffold]

And that needs to be brought down

with his total optimization brought down too

in return

[acoustic wyvern]

MORE TALENT POINTS? NUHHHHHHHHH

[delicate estuary]

overtoughness needs to not regen

[tardy plaza]

I still think saying Vet is highest melee dps is wrong

[delicate estuary]

then we can chat about VoC

[spark helm]

I'm just confused at how people really be out here claiming that is absolute dogshit. It's very strange.

Like sincerely it's just strange.

[acoustic wyvern]

voc is great and all but i still prefer exe stance

[forest scaffold]

counterpoint

git gud nerd

[spark helm]

Idk. Mfkers say whatever feels good at the time sometimes. Not saying dude in here is doing it but it's just asinine at this point.

[acoustic wyvern]

25% dmg, reduced sway and weapon grouping, refreshes per shooter kill and elite and specials. i'll take this over +50 toughness

[whole moon]

did they ever fix the HB Bayonet issue?

[tardy plaza]

Not one zealot in the match 🤨

[forest scaffold]

You don't understand what VoC does

its literally "no hp damage"

so long as you have gold toughness

[delicate estuary]

I mean non VoC vet was weak

[acoustic wyvern]

no no i do

[delicate estuary]

stop clowning

lol

[atomic zephyr]

finally got flechette

[whole moon]

knocks back enemies, buffs nearby allies toughness

[tardy plaza]

Also with three ranged ogryns

[acoustic wyvern]

but it won't solve all your problems from afar

[south spindle]

Nope, because Ogryn, well, exists

[tardy plaza]

It's EZ if you have no competition

[delicate estuary]

if I wanted to run marksman focus and exe stance I would have to die in legitmate 2 hits from a bruiser

[forest scaffold]

one who was only 200k damage behind me

with an achlys

using glugger

[spark helm]

Vet literally doesn't need to be ogryn. What the fuck is wrong with folk

[delicate estuary]

just because you only see VoC and what is best doesnt mean there arent other choices people want to play with

like

?????????

[tardy plaza]

Yeah cus he did 600k ranged damage

You had no competition in melee

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, kickback is really dumb

Bro

[tardy plaza]

Of course you did the most melee damage

[forest scaffold]

literally nothing competes with power sword in melee

what kinda crack are you smoking

[tardy plaza]

kek

kek

kek

[forest scaffold]

its the most overpowered weapon in the game

[spark helm]

...

[delicate estuary]

the buffs were needed and VoC needs to be split into nodes and overtoughness adjusted to not get regenned

[south garnet]

whatever weapon I use is the most overpowered one in the game

[south spindle]

Literally PSword is without equal.

Its actually fucking broken

[tardy plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1181253825147981895/qrtwertwert-1.png?ex=6580635a&is=656dee5a&hm=f54e975fd6a8012d3c8cd5e73a29ac75a2f40bf5c79c0b54ee2607bded0e146a&

your pswords mean nothing to me

[atomic zephyr]

lmao
this isnt worth upgrading is it

[spark helm]

I mean even then, in what world do other melee options not exist that still do their job of clearing stuff or killing important targets

[wanton dawn]

Your thammer means nothing to me

[whole moon]

while thats knocking shit on its ass the psword just diced them all

[tardy plaza]

I can one shot anything in the entire game

[delicate estuary]

yea see you when you bounce of a poxwalker -> insto self stun -> into crusher overhead

[south spindle]

An also worth pointing out, PSword is broken with only Cycler, Combat Axe is broken because BM

[spark helm]

If a tool is strong that suddenly invalidates the entire melee weapon class?

What?

[forest scaffold]

uh

[tardy plaza]

Implying I dont know how to use a TH

[forest scaffold]

Can you oneshot elites with rashad?

[south spindle]

PSword gets both BM and Cycler

[forest scaffold]

I'm sure if no

its really fuckin close

[atomic zephyr]

wrong reply but i sleep anyway

[spark helm]

You can on veteran

[forest scaffold]

But psword can easily oneshot elites

You just need to turn it on

[spark helm]

Okay so what?

Like genuinely so fucking what?

[forest scaffold]

whether that matters in the long run is up for debate

The only thing the rashad has over PS to me is the lack of activation

but beyond that

[delicate estuary]

which is quite big

[forest scaffold]

power sword is out here oneshotting 6-8 enemies per swing

[whole moon]

IF a very select criteria are met. You cant just keep doing it either, how many tries before your on CD?

[pastel geode]

why are we talking about zealot hammers in vet chat?

[forest scaffold]

which more than makes up for the activation time

[sudden dome]

the only elite that gives me issues with CA2 is ragers and so I just shoot them on vet and knife them first on zealot before meleeing them for the knife back

[forest scaffold]

4 once you reach bruisers

but bruisers and above are 4 kills per swing

[south spindle]

Uhhh yeah no mate, it deffo can

[forest scaffold]

and groaners/poxwalkers are 8/6

[tardy plaza]

The only thing you need shroudfield to one shot are the bosses and you aren't running into them faster than your ult will replenish

[forest scaffold]

or something stupid like that

[south spindle]

One shot bruiser is really not hard to achieve

Psyker can do that with Caxe

[sudden dome]

CA2 needs more attackspeed than vet can give it though

[tardy plaza]

Without shroudfield you can three-four shot bosses instead

[sudden dome]

you get 50% on zealot without martyr

[whole moon]

and they do their AoE/Knockback and your on CD immediately then?

[sudden dome]

momentum fury and the 10% node

literally kill 50 chaff in seconds

[tardy plaza]

Don't get hit by it

lmfao

Their moves couldn't be more choreographed if you asked for it

[spark helm]

I mean, you're also running stealth zealot. If you're having issues with avoiding attacks after setting up shroudfiled, you need to be actually thinking more.

That's all it is at that rate.

[delicate estuary]

moves are choreographed problem is CS and DH have this stupid bumper car mechanic for no reason that can meme you out of a hit

[spark helm]

Actually think about what you're doing if you're flailing around in stealth

[delicate estuary]

by bumper car mechanic I mean hitbox or whatever

that pushes you away

even when not getting hit

[tardy plaza]

Gotta choose your moment

[delicate estuary]

[tardy plaza]

With a little practice you never miss

[delicate estuary]

choose my moment of when the invisible hitbox will hit me ?

[tardy plaza]

It's not an invisible hitbox, it's the arc of their swing

and you CAN move in when at the right moment so that doesn't happen

[acoustic wyvern]

you shouldnt be meleeing a bruiser in the first place

[delicate estuary]

what

[acoustic wyvern]

thats my logic

[tardy plaza]

objectively wrong

In every way

[sudden dome]

combat axe 2 build for maximum chaff grinding

[tardy plaza]

No lol

I'm not interested in doing that on any class

[muted gorge]

if im going for a more ranged focused vet what weapons and tehc tree would yall recommend

[acoustic wyvern]

agri braceeee

[muted gorge]

why would i want to solo auric maelstrom, im here to have a good time not suffer

[delicate estuary]

if you are confident just run left keystone with exe stance if not so confident just run voice of command with left side keystone

[hazy comet]

is the new eviscerator on par with the old one?

dang

[acoustic wyvern]

i run agric brace with this tree and it has never failed me.........yet

[delicate estuary]

in the end of the day optimal weapons dont matter

and thank fuck for that

[sudden dome]

as long as you can cover a niche for the team

[acoustic wyvern]

what matters is what weapon works best for you

[delicate estuary]

no I hope kickback and VoC get nerfed

[spark helm]

I just need mfkers to actually enjoy builds that aren't the same

[umbral scaffold]

I've said it before and I'll say it again nothing ever needs to be nerfed other things need to be buffed

We shouldn't limit fun

[acoustic wyvern]

hey man wheres agri auto

[spark helm]

You can recognize strong tools and still get something out of other builds. Veteran especially at this point is much much more variable as a class.

That shit kills me.

[delicate estuary]

revolver is somewhat adjusted but its still quite miniscule changes, if they remove some of its ammo pool it will proabbly be fine

[gritty mirage]

dont nerf the weapons, just make the maps harder 😛

fry our computers with the spawns

the hive city has more to spare

[acoustic wyvern]

they did, they added spawn points ON THE GROUND

[gritty mirage]

fair enough

[delicate estuary]

other options force you to make choices, VoC does not force you to make any choice currently

[umbral scaffold]

Okay just got back from my first heresy mission using the knife and I have to say charging a mutant and stabbing it in the face instantly killing it is pretty damn good

[gritty mirage]

oh yea ive seen the spawn in front of you spawns lol

[acoustic wyvern]

it makes you stuck

[delicate estuary]

VoC is literally the most optimal path for a vet while giving you nade regen, overtoughness, stagger anything you want on a 10 second cooldown

[gritty mirage]

how would you nerf voc azreal

[spark helm]

Imma be real. It's not even that voc is that passively strong, it's just an option that is fundamentally good in q game like this.

[gritty mirage]

longer CD again?

[delicate estuary]

while you have to invest minimum 2-3 points on other abilities

[umbral scaffold]

Fair but you could also say that about other classes abilities

[delicate estuary]

the problem is the utility

[acoustic wyvern]

remove the +50 toughness and just regain toughness

[crude wind]

People talking about what's OP..m

Like brug

[spark helm]

And people really, really cannot on average imagine any other kind of experience with the class that doesn't revolve around that fucking career ability because fuck it, they're scared of risk.

[crude wind]

We are OP

The player character is OP

The game is piss easy atm

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmm Idk

[gritty mirage]

ive swapped all 3 abilities, all can be worked with

i just happen to like shout because its a team move

[crude wind]

I remember when this game actually required good choices

[spark helm]

It still does.

What?

[crude wind]

Lol no it doesn't

Stack stats

Win

[delicate estuary]

I personally refuse to run VoC on every single one of my builds and I regularly play aurics/maelstroms (not solo cause I need mats 😢 ). But I find VoC needs its effects split into 2 nodes. Either choose overtoughness or choose stagger

[gritty mirage]

uh no you still need competence haha

[spark helm]

Alright I don't care about that point anymore. You literally have to still make conscious choices. God.

[tardy plaza]

Yeah some people are just haters

[delicate estuary]

not worth my time

[spark helm]

Just because quality of life has improved significantly doesn't take away from player input

What the fuck

Lol

[crude wind]

Nah you can walk through the game if you and your party understand how to stack stats

[acoustic wyvern]

good choices like deciding fire frenzy and deathspitter. you want close dmg or overall dmg at any range or take both

[tardy plaza]

On difficulty 2 maybe

[spark helm]

What. Does. That. Mean?

Actually explain yourself.

[tardy plaza]

You can still die in 1 second to fire, get netted, get hounded, get sniped, get one shot from crusher/mauler overheads, so you still have to know how to dodge, block, and shoot

[wanton dawn]

Solo is with bots ?

[gritty mirage]

stacking stats doesnt prevent dumb decisions, i rando 100% on auric damn

[wanton dawn]

When I was trying solo I was without bots

[crude wind]

Assuming you know how to play, the only things that will ever kill you rn are nets, fire and bursters

All enemies feel the same

It doesn't matter what they are

Shoot them, they die

Any gun will kill them

All the guns feel op

Doesn't matter what you uses

Shoot things, they die

[gritty mirage]

im doing fine in randos

my only enemy was crashing due to patches lol

[south spindle]

Can i just say

I fucking hate the new fire

[crude wind]

The player character is hideously strong atm

[delicate estuary]

you are not the only one

[tardy plaza]

Well technically if you 'knew how to play' before, you could win every game and never die anyways

[south spindle]

Grabbed by mutie, runs into fire, instant dead

yay

[delicate estuary]

worst aprt is new fire makes it so VoC is even better

[south spindle]

Engaging gameplay

[tardy plaza]

The new fire is massively aids

[delicate estuary]

I would rather have a teammate trapped than bombered or flamered

[crude wind]

In a premade sure, less so in PUGs. You have to judge meta by bugs

[wanton dawn]

Yes, I can confirm

[crude wind]

In PUGs these days we are just sailing through

[tardy plaza]

At first I was hyped because I hated toughness getting instantly removed, but they basically just made it so your toughness and health was removed in 2-3 seconds instead

[south spindle]

Literally had more clutches ruined by fire this week than anything else

It ranks up there with netters

[wanton dawn]

Man, I hate when I try to pick maelstrom and i get quickplay

[tardy plaza]

It'll hopefully get nerfed

[delicate estuary]

where maelstrom quickplay man

percentage rewards

REEEEEEEEEE

[tardy plaza]

I wish I could get the quickplay bonus for maelstrom

yea

[jolly birch]

I swear it has to be bugged. I don't think the fire damage ramps up at all like it's supposed to, it just starts at max damage and kills you

[delicate estuary]

just shoot the fire producers fsater than they can get to you

[tardy plaza]

Difficulty 6 when

[delicate estuary]

ahh yes forcing the entire community to play incredibly easy content for mats

[tardy plaza]

Exterminatus

[spark helm]

My main thing is is that VoC, at its core, is a tool that accomplishes everything someone would want in a horde shooter period: you get life sustaining resources back in a snap on top of overcapping; you have a cc that can be used as a desperate option or an offensive guarantee, and with added talents you empower it insanely so.

What that does on its own, regardless of nerfs, is serve as a baseline in the player's head as "THE safest option that happens to be more effective BECAUSE of it's spread usage."

You're not going to eliminate the usefulness of VoC or wear it down in any way that matters unless you severely gut it, let alone change the game to not allow for the flow of it to have room for that option.

That being said, you can still accomplish high efficacy with other builds. The problem, for most people at this point, is that those builds often require further risk by committing to something executable (hitting hs kills, swapping your weapon, using a different arrangement of talents for a completely different objective).

Idc how much of an oversimplification this will be but: dudes need to stop being so fuckiny scared of learning how to play risky and just fucking have some fun for once.

[south spindle]

that would be the case anyway, fire would make VoC stronger regardless of how much tick damage it did, its just really fuckin obnoxious for no real good reason atm

Its not even the fire itself thats the major issue, its that muties will run into it, an netters will drag you through it

[torn gorge]

tbh

weapon swap is hardly a tax

[delicate estuary]

having fun in video games what is this heresy . Nah I agree but even if I don't run VoC I Cant help but feel completely useless in situations where VoC would be better but I look at it as a learning opportunity for pubs

[tardy plaza]

I just play stealth because it's cooler

[south spindle]

Yes, i know how to play the game, but reality is you are going to get grabbed or netted ocasionally

[forest scaffold]

bombers will throw it on BoN and Chaos Spawn when they grab you

fire is fucking infuriating

the fact that it does over 700 damage in 4 seconds is fucked up

and WAY overtuned

[delicate estuary]

pubs ressiing in fire is more infuriating I would say

[spark helm]

Nothing you said has anything to do with "stacking stats" aside from a player understanding how to make builds with personal and team syngery.

Fuck. You just admitted that you'd still need to make decisions based on the scenario. Come on man.

[forest scaffold]

Sorry, over 600

Yeah, the nerf on the horizon is the only thing that makes it less painful for me

[spark helm]

And I'm fucking amazing at this game. Full fucking stop.

Doesn't even need to be my identity.

[forest scaffold]

If crossplay weren't a thing

[delicate estuary]

where is the memory leak fix I wonder. Out of memory errors for close to 2 months now

[forest scaffold]

Fatshark COULD just stagger patch releases

Like other devs

But alas, crossplay.

That said, crossplay has given me WAY less salty teammates

[south spindle]

Nah, seriously, he's right tho, we're at an all time high for player power. You really can waltz through missions if you know what you're doing. Player characters are massively overpowered as are numerous weapons and synergies

[forest scaffold]

who are way more willing to do their best within the bounds of their skill

so I'm happy to have xbox players on my team

yeah, but they don't talk shit to me

or instaleave matches

[delicate estuary]

^^

[south spindle]

I dont think people realise how much their ability to run the hardest modes is hinging almost entirely on the powercreep present in the game at the moment

[forest scaffold]

which is 10,000x better than pc players

[tardy plaza]

Idk what xbox players you're playing with

But all players do this from my experience

[forest scaffold]

I dunno

have you just tried being good

[south spindle]

Its really fuckin powercrept since buffs an overhaul

[forest scaffold]

when you're good, people really do just not care about fucked situations

[tardy plaza]

What does me being good have to do with another teammate going down and immediately quitting

lmfao

[forest scaffold]

its just ggs all around when you get darktided

[delicate estuary]

its almost as if the game got better and had a lot of returning players

[south spindle]

well yeah, but thats a given with all the consolers an returning players

[forest scaffold]

and "holy shit look at this guy go" when you clutch

[spark helm]

I just don't see how people have somehow lost the ability to make deliberate choices. There is a lack of felt consequences for now before other balance changes come down.

And even then, the wider community that I've experienced, even in this time of fun buffs and changes, still get clapped for waltzing in

[tardy plaza]

Yeah a lot of times they quit before anyone can even try to pick them up

[south spindle]

I miss full fat monsters tbh

[spark helm]

With certain team comps though, sure yeah.

[tardy plaza]

So that's a fantasy

Not just xbox players mind you

Any player

[forest scaffold]

I've had one instaleave since patch 13

[south spindle]

#veteran-class message to add to this, the experienced players now make up about 15% of the current playerbase

[forest scaffold]

one

so I dunno

[tardy plaza]

How much do you play?

[forest scaffold]

I've got enough hours that this is a meaningful sample size

[tardy plaza]

I get it every day

[forest scaffold]

Often enough that I notice when people insta leave

[tardy plaza]

then thats just weird

[forest scaffold]

and its been EXTREMELY rare

since patch 13

[tardy plaza]

I've put in 400 hours since the class overhaul and I get it literally every day

[forest scaffold]

over in NA East

[south garnet]

I've been playing since birth

[tardy plaza]

i've been playing since 2000 bc

[forest scaffold]

I've been playing since december of 2022

[tardy plaza]

HAH

i'm older than you

[forest scaffold]

I'm taking a small break though

[delicate estuary]

I played 400 hours of release DT

[forest scaffold]

to play Quasimorph

[delicate estuary]

and let me tell you

fuck

release DT

[forest scaffold]

the fire stuff is just

pain

I need a small break

until fire patch

[tardy plaza]

From november 2022 to november 2023 I only put in 250 hours

[forest scaffold]

unless @viral wraith hits me up

[spark helm]

Dude for me, before cross play people were still sitting their pants because they didn't understand not to block overheads, not to overdue dodging, not to actually kill the fucking dudes with guns on higher difficulty first if at all possible, etc.

Whatever the console group has added to the fray is valid and fine, but I think PC players gotta be much more honest with themselves.

Got way too many people running around in auric 5 with none of the fundamentals because they're too confident in their builds playing for them.

[forest scaffold]

then I'll play darktiddies

[south spindle]

Next weekTM

[tardy plaza]

After the class overhaul though I havent been playing anything else

[lofty lintel]

that game worth copping?

[south spindle]

Yes... so like i said, powercreep is carrying people, those which actually know what they're doing arent struggling

[forest scaffold]

I straight up do not give one iota of a shit how good or bad my teammates are.

I literally only care how well I'm performing.

[tardy plaza]

This is the right mentality

please read this

[gritty mirage]

yea

improve oneself

and entire team will improve

[forest scaffold]

SAH SAYS PROTECT LIL UNS

SAYS EMPRAH SAID SO

OG LISTEN TO SAH

PROTECT LILUNS

and that's basically me in games

[spark helm]

Mhm. Fair enough.

I actually straight up forgot about that tbr

[south spindle]

I dont, right up until some random gobshite fresh level 30 who's been dead for half the game starts backseating, then i get annoyed

[tardy plaza]

yeah pre overhaul you had very minimal options for viable builds

[spark helm]

I'm coming from experience outside of darktide for like years years

[forest scaffold]

Uh

one shotting crushers wasn't the move though

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest scaffold]

all this oneshotting shit has gotta go

6 hits for a melee is acceptable

5 with +carapace

[delicate lotus]

god why do ogryns always seem to walk infront of me when im playing ranged class damit

[forest scaffold]

No, that's fine.

But all these new melee weapons oneshotting crushers?

[pine halo]

new best shovel?

[forest scaffold]

Its fucking stupid

all three new shovels

power sword

[spark helm]

They're just huge. Not much you can do about it.

[south spindle]

They made it through the testing phase..

[forest scaffold]

Thammer with chastise

dueling sword

[tardy plaza]

Dueling sword takes three shots

or four

[forest scaffold]

too much shit trivializes crushers and maulers now

[delicate lotus]

attacking hords from the side easy done

[tardy plaza]

Also they increased the amount of them they spawn though

[spark helm]

I mean I just don't think completely like that but I can see why. People can carry runs.

I do it the moment I load in in most cases.

[forest scaffold]

Good

keep the spawns

[trim hemlock]

Deimos FSword just straight up knocks Crushers out of their overhead attacks with H2

[forest scaffold]

nerf weapons and player skills

make combat hard again

[tardy plaza]

sounds aids

[forest scaffold]

not just faceroll keyboard and win

[south spindle]

We have so many spawns literally to compensate for the powercreep, thats why they've been increased

Remember when 5 ragers was an "oh shit" moment?

[spark helm]

:^]

[tardy plaza]

I don't feel like auric damns are faceroll and win

[south spindle]

Now we have 30 of the c*nts running out of a spawn door like they're trash mobs, because essentially, they are now

[tardy plaza]

But I don't play with premades in the discord, only pugs, so maybe its different

[forest scaffold]

Quasimorph? I just got it last night, I've only just started playing it today. I was too busy building this to play it.

Let me get uh

I dunno, 50 hours in quasimorph

[spark helm]

They can be.

[delicate lotus]

im probably hella rusty only thing i had played before ogryn and vet was zealot and most of it was on the old skill system

[forest scaffold]

and I'll let you know

[lofty lintel]

bet

i saw it on my recommended

[lofty lintel]

damn nice dude

[forest scaffold]

I love lego

shits fucking awesome

[lofty lintel]

fr

[forest scaffold]

THE ENGINE PISTONS MOVE WHEN THE REAR WHEELS DO

[lofty lintel]

never gets old

[forest scaffold]

THIS SHIT IS POG AS FUCK

THE DOORS OPEN

SO DOES THE HOOD

I really am an Ogryn

simple things in life folks, simple things

[south spindle]

Nothing wrong with finding joy in the simple shit mate

[spark helm]

Human like building block

[delicate lotus]

i hate weapons are locked behind class levels i would love to try the plasma gun

[spark helm]

Human like ball

[south spindle]

Makes the grind wheel of life all that much easier to bear

[spark helm]

Can also just work towards undoing it.

With people

Since people set it up to be fucked up anyway

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy plaza]

This looks standard for a win

[forest scaffold]

wonder whats gonna happen to my darktide hours after christmas though

[tardy plaza]

?

[forest scaffold]

my mom wanted to know if getting me a guitar for christmas was cool

And of course I was like "hell yeah"

So now I've got that to look forward to

[tardy plaza]

Have you considered you've just played a lot and you're good enough to carry?

[spark helm]

It gets faceroll for me when I run voc

:I

[forest scaffold]

I only manage a 70-75% winrate in auric qp

Because the characters are too powerful

I overly turn my brain off

so I get gigapunished every now and again

Eh

not on ogryn

GG+BB really was just

nuts

the less people alive meant more ammo for you

which just made grenadier gauntlet more efficient

I could

everything but chaos spawn

even beast of nurgle with bull butcher

shits just braindead

VT2 bosses are WAY spookier

troll aside

[spark helm]

Well that's just off the fact that vt2 punishes you far more for mistakes than darktide

[forest scaffold]

Oh, plague rat

[scenic bronze]

Oh sweet heavens a mod that gives visual cues for disablers, thank the modders

[forest scaffold]

Had the dual flamethrowers?

@lofty lintel ping me in a week. I'll never remember your name.

I'll let you know how quasimorph is then

[spark helm]

Don't think too hard, just right click by the time you notice the flurry if you can.

Or you could just player rapier witch hunter to get used to it.

[forest scaffold]

I mained Ironbreaker Bardin

which is why I grok Ogryn so well

he has all the same issues

bad movement, hugely tanky

solid but not great melee weapons

[umbral scaffold]

What you guys say is the best auto gun for Veteran. I’m sure it’s probably been already said somewhere. But I don’t feel like going back and looking it up

[forest scaffold]

Crowd Control more than DPS

[south spindle]

Columnus IAG, no contest

[delicate lotus]

Meltaguns and Volkites when?

[forest scaffold]

I uh

Just want an Ogryn Autocannon

to be completely honest

[spark helm]

Shield slab before shield slab. God. I like ib but I'd get bored fast

[south spindle]

Melta will probably happen at somepoint, Volkite, im not so sure

[atomic zephyr]

the emperor has blessed me

[forest scaffold]

I used sniper rifle+greathammer

when i got the weapon DLC

uh

forgotten relics?

I used THT

[delicate lotus]

The Meltagun would good fit for Ogryn too

[forest scaffold]

when I got OE, I used Coghammer+THT

THT=Trollhammer Torpedo

Yeah, more combo weapons in general.

[spark helm]

Kerillian specialist and other special/elite killer ranged classes.

Necromancer sienna or nothing lol

[south spindle]

Ive had this frustration since release about meta weapons in DT

Most of them are just spam LMB to win

[forest scaffold]

I'm not kidding when I say I played IB Bardin for nearly 300 hours straight

[south spindle]

An its fucking boring

[forest scaffold]

I only recently just leveled kerillian to 30

along with kruber

saltzpyre is like

[spark helm]

With different weapons right...right?

[forest scaffold]

Oh yeah

35

I did mean 35

I forgor they raised the level cap

[forest scaffold]

Nope

Greathammer+Sniper Rifle

that was it

for nearly 300 hours straight

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[delicate lotus]

i still need level sienna from 28 to 30 only class left

[forest scaffold]

give this man a kekw react

[spark helm]

My adhd can't allow for that life.

I'd go crazy

[forest scaffold]

Normally I don't like doing it either.

But GH+Sniper Rifle just hit that dopamine button perfectly.

[spark helm]

The um

Handgun right?

[forest scaffold]

I could deal with specials, elites, and hordes.

[spark helm]

"Handgun"

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, I think its called Handgun

[spark helm]

Single shot rifle for bardin

[forest scaffold]

but its actually a sniper rifle that's single shot

[umbral scaffold]

My ocd doesn’t allow me to not be the squads prime dps

[spark helm]

Yeah that one is nice

[forest scaffold]

Grudgeraker is really solid if you hate plague monks

but I played on legend

so staggering them with GH wasn't hard

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral scaffold]

Plague toads when

[forest scaffold]

I have problems because I play vet like support

[wanton dawn]

Man this auric was a snooze fest

[forest scaffold]

I save shout for 4 in the bottom left

[spark helm]

Support in those games lowkey doesn't always cut it with the dynamic.

[forest scaffold]

(Coherency indicator)

[umbral scaffold]

Because it’s fun to go action hero

[forest scaffold]

which hurts my personal performance

[gritty mountain]

Keep

[delicate lotus]

i made a support tree for zealot today

[muted gorge]

how did it go?

[spark helm]

Would feel bad running ranger veteran smoke support builds just because yeah I could kill just about anything but damn I'm boring lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Sly Marbo got nothing on me

[haughty pond]

can you change color of kantrael flak targeter helm?

in digged up files I saw cadian vomit green one

[gritty mountain]

Whats the difference with the new chainsword and chainaxe anyone?

[haughty pond]

this one is black

[delicate lotus]

it doesent has good gear i havent played it enough to say if its good or not

[haughty pond]

ik but like

officially?

[empty creek]

this thing can kill damnation crushers in like 4-5 seconds w/ onslaught & rending

[haughty pond]

shame

[empty creek]

smokin dat zaza

[forest scaffold]

Support zealot is okay

The real problem is that he doesn't get any support stuff outside of chorus and shield of contempt

shield of contempt is amazing support

Chorus requires someone on the team to be able to DPS race a 10 second timer

so

ogryn and veteran

I just leave it up for the 10 seconds cause I run DR on it

the damage would be better for DPS bursting

but I don't trust my pubs

any sort of DR goes way further on them than damage

I don't like doing that.

I want them to at least have some fun.

I'm willing to sacrifice some damage gains for myself to do that.

[south spindle]

If they're being heavy, then its betterto let them die rather than compromising yourself tryin to keep them upright

[forest scaffold]

NO

PROTECT DUH LILUNS

OGRYN RULE 1

[safe flower]

Aight, I just looked at the new skill tree after not playing for a while, what the heck is ranged finesse power? That sounds like someone jumbled 3 things together and called it a thing

[south spindle]

Crit damage + weakspot ye

[safe flower]

Ah, aight.

[forest scaffold]

its really good on plasma gun and revolver

and colomnus IAG

uh

MG1A

and MG12

[south spindle]

But Azreal, Marksman's is a terrible keystone

[forest scaffold]

probably the MGiv if you have an autoclicker

[umbral scaffold]

I think veteran needs something to heal... Like one ability maybe toward the top that if he gets I don't know 5 or 10 critical shots in a row without taking a hit he'll heal like 5 health with A recharge of 4 seconds

[safe flower]

Yeah, I'm trying to run a 1a build, so I'm naturally drawn towards left tree.

[forest scaffold]

Mg1a got kinda overbuffed

its made the MG12 redundant

[south spindle]

It kinda did yeah

[forest scaffold]

both are really good

but the mg1a just shoots faster

[umbral scaffold]

Hmmmmmm

[safe flower]

I have both just in case they decide to nerf the 1a again.

[forest scaffold]

so its easier to kill lots of stuff on screen with one taps

[umbral scaffold]

Maaaaybe

[forest scaffold]

whereas the mg12 is more paced

[south spindle]

MKIV is even pretty good now tbh

[umbral scaffold]

We talking lasguns RN?

Mg IV is my go 2

Recon all the way

Alao good

[safe flower]

Considering what else to take in terms of skills. Forego Rending in favor of just having more headshot damage, or perhaps duck and dive so I can run deadshot..

[umbral scaffold]

I like the mk VId

[forest scaffold]

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong.

I still love my MG12

it'll always have a place in my armory

But uh

with all the changes to shooters

and how they're spawned

its just not that relevant anymore for what it offers

[south spindle]

I minda miss when those little green eyed bastards were the biggest worry

[forest scaffold]

it still does with exe stance

its just harder to keep exe stance up these days

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/eddy-burbak-regret-drinking-sober-gif-24595525

I miss it everyday

[forest scaffold]

cause shooters aren't spawned very often anymore

Ranged enemies need to be made a threat again

[tall warren]

Is there a difference between the Mk 3 and the Mk 6 powersword?

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah as long as you're not being stupid and charging them as they shoot at you should be good

[south spindle]

Well they were kinda the chief thing being the balancer of classes, i cant help but feel classes had more defined roles back then, whereas now, everyone is a swiss army knife

Deffo feels like a lot of the need for teamwork was lost though in many instances

[forest scaffold]

Correct.

Its just down to one person who can carry the whole map

if you can do that

[south spindle]

I agree a lot of the changes have been good, but that one, was a very felt loss

[forest scaffold]

teamwork is largely irrelevant

the only thing that ends runs anymore is fire+trappers

or just

trappers

really

Trappers are the only thing that end runs anymore

[south spindle]

Trappers being able to shoot through six Crushers so you cant even pinpoint them will never not be irksome

[forest scaffold]

Trappers need a ground up rework

There's nothing else to it but that.

As soon as they respect horde mass, they're completely trivialized as an enemy.

So they need to disable in a completely different way.

Frankly, just making them 40k hookrats is the real solution

walk up to you, grab you, drag you off

[south spindle]

Idk about that, they're still gonna sneak up behind you and blind dodging them doesnt have more than a 50% sucess rate

[forest scaffold]

less

actually

its 33%

cause they can show up to three blind angles

giving you three choices

[terse idol]

Well I'd certainly chalk it up to like, I mean its still relevant.
Unless you're playing in the top 0.1% percentile of all darktide players that can solo auric damnation I think as long as you have one other person it'll be okay

[forest scaffold]

I can't solo

but what I can do is prevent problems from reaching hyper density

and that's WAY more important for completing matches than being able to solo a lost cause

[south spindle]

A lot of classes now have so many ways to keep up toughness that coherency has lost all meaning outside of some certain aspects

[forest scaffold]

Damage reduction talents NEED to be tied to coherency

[terse idol]

Well yeah I mean i think in the purest sense most games is the team solving ongoing reactive issues before they end a run

[forest scaffold]

like on ogryn

there's 3 10% TDR nodes

[south spindle]

At best its another gun to watch your back, but its not important like it was before

[forest scaffold]

it should be "10% toughness damage reduction in coherency"

and it should be that way on all four classes if they're given raw damage or toughness in stat nodes

crit chance and stamina should be global

[serene sage]

Yeah the higher up I go the more teammates just devolves to "things that save me from the occasional dogs and trappers"

[forest scaffold]

no matter where you're at

[fallow compass]

which blessing should i strip off of this shovel?

[south spindle]

DR i agree with, not so much damage

[forest scaffold]

but damage and toughness DR NEED to be tied to coherency

[forest scaffold]

skullcrusher

there's an old shovel build that can use it

not super duper amazing

but more worthwhile than limbshitter

[jolly hemlock]

same many dt players are not bad but cant deal with awareness and sound cues

[forest scaffold]

(Thrust+Skullcrusher)

[south spindle]

Problem with tying damage into coherency is that clutches become a lot harder. Its fine for minor nodes an such, but not for talents

[forest scaffold]

I'm fine with killing clutches altogether

Fuck em

If you can't keep the team up, die.

[south spindle]

Ehhhh, im not tbh

[forest scaffold]

Look, man, nobody should be able to maintain a 75% winrate

with relative ease

nobody

[south spindle]

I dont wanna waste 30 min of my life because an error was made that totally ends a run

[forest scaffold]

This has gotta be brought down somehow

[terse idol]

I mean what do you propose,
It is a PVE game, the game isnt balanced for any specific winrate

[serene sage]

Lol why not though, it's a pve game

[forest scaffold]

Tie more things to coherency

so players are forced to stick together.

[south spindle]

I reckon the older new map has good odds of dropping winrates on it own with how that first event room is

[terse idol]

If you can play at such a high level to win most if not all of your games that sounds fine

[jolly hemlock]

i think a 1v4 pvepvp mode would be fun

[serene sage]

Not pvp where 50% is needed

[forest scaffold]

Raise coherency radius to 14 meters

up from 8

[jolly hemlock]

a gamemaster making the waves

[forest scaffold]

So that bombers aren't so problematic

[south spindle]

I did it in Maelstrom last night an let me tell you, that event room is a fucking shitfest

[forest scaffold]

maybe 12

[jolly hemlock]

playing against the player teams

[terse idol]

I feel like tieing breakpoints to coherency is gonna suck big

[fallow escarp]

you're not supposed to have a 50% chance to lose in a PVE game thats just not relevant

thats weird

[terse idol]

Or Toughness DR or whatever

[forest scaffold]

then stick with your god damn team

its not that hard

it really isn't

[terse idol]

Its probably why Fire team leader is 5% damahe

[terse idol]

Yeah and I do

Some folks also need to learn how to keep up

[serene sage]

Have you seen the blueberries out there?

[forest scaffold]

Aye

and its why I manage 500 plasteel per match in Auric QP

cause I'm just trundling along behind my team

making sure nothing touches them too badly

[serene sage]

Yeah and now you want to play baby sitter x2?

[forest scaffold]

also, Squad player?

[serene sage]

Like the game? No

[forest scaffold]

I don't normally see the term blueberries outside of Squad

I guess maybe battlefield would too

your squad is green

[dusty ferry]

I can’t give much care about playing as a squad because a good number of times my team dies and I end up surviving solo

[forest scaffold]

and teammates blue

[dusty ferry]

It’s not great

[forest scaffold]

I'm already in coherency anyway.

[dusty ferry]

I am not saying I don’t stick to them

[terse idol]

I do tend to play with the team because voc on 4 people is better than voc on 1

[forest scaffold]

Itd just force more players to be more mindful of the mechanic

[dusty ferry]

It’s just somehow even together they die

[forest scaffold]

Output more damage

/shrug

Kill the specials before they become a problem

that's who is ending runs anyway

flamers, bursters, bombers, and trappers.

If you can keep on top of those, its free rez on teammates who go down

[dusty ferry]

I mean, I do that

But I can’t really out a finger on what goes on with the team

[forest scaffold]

Melee

its melee

[dusty ferry]

Probably

[forest scaffold]

You can do everything

and they still die to poxwalkers

which is fine

literally all of us had that phase once upon a time

And it takes hundreds of hours to become competent enough at melee to sleep brain poxwalkers/groaners/bruisers

[terse idol]

Frankly they should buff reapers

Need more game ending ranged enemies

[forest scaffold]

reapers should do way more damage

but way less knockback

[terse idol]

Gunners are dangerous to be fair

[forest scaffold]

knockback is just a terrible mechanic

[dusty ferry]

I feel like reapers do less damage than gunners

[terse idol]

And can end runs

[dusty ferry]

Genuinely saying

[terse idol]

Disagree

It does incentive ranged usage and teamwork