veteran-class

[south garnet]

l1 h2

then h1s for hard targets in mixed hordes

[bitter turtle]

so the diagonal swings huh

[south garnet]

if you're lazy you can get away with just lights or heavy chains though, it works best if you sweep your screen to compensate

[south garnet]

L1 H2 is all horizontals

[bitter turtle]

isnt h2 kinda horizontal

er

diagonal

this requires too much brain power

im just gonna use mk7

smol brain wins

[cosmic crag]

le Smol

(I have forgone my college education)

[terse idol]

The combo is just Left click, and then Heavy and Left click repeat

[south garnet]

honestly fair

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

dont you have to 2 left click twice first

[terse idol]

No

[south garnet]

nah

[bitter turtle]

left into right does strikedown for me

and then i alternate

[terse idol]

As long as you have the swing come from right to Left, the heavy attack from left to right will also be horizontal

[bitter turtle]

wetf

[terse idol]

On the mk3?

[bitter turtle]

ya

mk3

i swear to god

[terse idol]

[bitter turtle]

its literally backwards

for me

right to left swing goes into strikedown

that's why i have to click twice to get to the left to right

[terse idol]

What theeeee

[bitter turtle]

ok

[bitter turtle]

let me make a video

[south garnet]

Sorry it's H1 that's the vanguard

[terse idol]

But L1 is also vanguard so it should

OH NOO

[bitter turtle]

oh

its heavy first

[terse idol]

MY BRAIN

[bitter turtle]

ok

[cosmic crag]

vets I got Chinese food

its spicy

[terse idol]

I got some serious dementia

[south garnet]

yea I could have sworn it's H2. anyway, principle is the same, alternate the vanguard heavy with the light

[bitter turtle]

ok

this is significantly less brainpower now

[terse idol]

Me as I casually spread false info

[bitter turtle]

ye this is easier

needing to

do 2 lights earlier

and then into alternating

was fucking with my brain

[terse idol]

I get confused on the Dclaw, the heavy sword and now the Mk3

[south garnet]

🙏 happens to the best of us

[bitter turtle]

now i have to farm plasteel

god

i hate farming plasteel

[cosmic crag]

Since we have a plasma cannon

how about a plasma sword

[bitter turtle]

literally

[south spindle]

When Knuckle Duster?

[bitter turtle]

i get why they want a gear treadmill

[south spindle]

WHEN

[bitter turtle]

but htf goes "ya im gonna hop on to farm plasteel today"

goddamn

let me just play auric mael 😔

[south spindle]

Farm your plasteel in auric maelstrom

Leave the potatos to die

You know you wanna

[bitter turtle]

honestly

i usually try

its still just so slow compared to goblining it up in normal damnation

havent farmed since patch 13

[south spindle]

Yeah, but its actually fun tho

Which is a big plus

[bitter turtle]

ya but i dont want to use my dumb powersword anymore

i want to use the poop digger with the spike

[south spindle]

Then dont

[bitter turtle]

i dont have many melees upgraded 😔

and no

im not good enough to carry with greys

[fresh mango]

[south spindle]

I went into A.M with a purple Chainsword earlier with dog blessings an still beat all but one dude in kills an damage

[cosmic crag]

The extra bosses liven things up

[fresh mango]

the plasteel grind sucks but im hopin for good blessings

[south garnet]

real vets use melee only, knife special only

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-myrka-sea-devils-kung-fu-fighting-warriors-of-the-deep-gif-25428751

[bitter turtle]

the only time a bleed knife might be valid

punch-only vet

punch them until they bleed out from it

[south spindle]

I find it hilarious that they "buffed" the stagger on that move an its still absolutely shit

[merry oak]

punch only vet lowkey has the blessing of khorne

for all the blood

[bitter turtle]

they need to make the hit on the punch come out earlier

as it is right now

[cosmic crag]

A skill that increase gun bash damage 200%

[bitter turtle]

waiting for the punch to actually connect

is shit

and loses dps

and if you cancel it fast it just doesnt come out

[south spindle]

Make it stagger ragers an it'll actually be worth something

Until then, never gonna bother using it

[bitter turtle]

i nly use it for getting a second heavy out faster than i should

[forest blaze]

If you’re praising Khorne you take the chain axe.

[south garnet]

punching a mutie in the face before executing it never gets old

[raven crane]

Chainaxe and the gripped auto gun so I can pistol whip heretics since beta.

[forest blaze]

Not some wimpy dagger nonsense

[terse idol]

Look Khorne would appreciate someone who had the Gal to bring a dagger to a power sword fight

[forest blaze]

Look here

[terse idol]

Up close an personal

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/skarbrand-warhammer-total-war-chaos-gif-4042499340997426989

[raven crane]

The emperor's throne is coated in the blood of heretics and lined with the skulls of psykers.

[cosmic crag]

Lights out modifier

Scab gunners: in the dark, I suppose you don’t need pants

[stray stream]

Is it viable to play vet with a knife ?
If yes, which kind of build ?
With which range weapon ?

[forest blaze]

Play knife with a knife?

[raven crane]

I shout more than the zealot.

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-rat-funny-knife-gif-24492025

The skaven in question

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-warrior-chaos-blood-gif-13932012

[cosmic crag]

The mutilator

[stray stream]

Sry i edited my msg u trolls hehe

[terse idol]

He ain't afraid

[forest blaze]

Lmao I love it

[stray stream]

STILL, my question REMAINS

[forest blaze]

I love the new chaxe tho. Great feels for slapping around some heretics

[raven crane]

I wish vet would get a two-handed chainaxe

[forest blaze]

You can play vet with a knife it’s just not as good as zealot knife IIRC

You basically just take the agile, shout, and a melee talents

It’s worse than knife zealot tho but it has the benefit of dying faster when you run off solo

Which I know is important to knife players

[final locust]

or a two handed power sword

[tall torrent]

Knife vet is playable but your horde clear is going to be sub-optimal (vet really wants a melee that clears hordes well) so I suggest picking up more talents that buff grenades and use frags to clear hordes
As for ranged weapons, shotguns can work if you know what you’re doing (they also help horde clear a decent amount)

[forest blaze]

You can also take a braced AG so you can be worthless in more situations

But at least you can mag dump hordes when you run off solo

And you can waste everyone else’s ammo before you die

[rugged goblet]

It almost sounds like you've had your fair share of edgy QP knife chads

[wise fossil]

BAGs are for chads, don't be a hater

[rugged goblet]

Braap autogun

[forest blaze]

I wouldn’t say chads but yah

[forest blaze]

Lmao ill hate on anything except revolver when I see a player pick up a single ammo box. I run plas. Feed me every bit of ammo.

[empty heron]

lets go

Wish me luck

[forest blaze]

Great roll

[merry gale]

🧱

incoming

[forest blaze]

Hadron be like: hold my beer

[merry gale]

praise the omnissaiah

[empty heron]

hmmmmmm

[fossil basalt]

I use infiltrate because shout is a bad solo skill

[rugged goblet]

"interesting"

[wise fossil]

Speedload isn't awful 🤷‍♂️

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s bricked GGs

[tulip zenith]

throw it in the traaash

[merry gale]

you got robbed

[forest blaze]

Dude I totally agree. Infiltrate is the best solo play ability and many games turn into a solo game in quickplay

No amount of extra toughness will make bads less bad

[umbral scaffold]

The Bolter is meh imo

[forest blaze]

In fact. There is a direct correlation to bads playing more bad with more toughness

[fossil basalt]

Swap either blessing for dumdum, pmuch

[empty heron]

I hit the wrong button and surrendered it

[fossil basalt]

I personally like a fast reload

[empty heron]

no joke

[wise fossil]

I use shout so I can have toughness to spare when I spam plasma shots like a r etard

[empty heron]

fml

[tall torrent]

It’s fine, it was a hard brick anyways

[fossil basalt]

It was a beaut stopgap wep tho

[wise fossil]

Yeah it wasn't ever going to be BIS, but the stats were beautiful

[tall torrent]

Mk10 laspistol rly wants breakpoints

[half wigeon]

the new laspistols is piss why u guys play it ?

[fossil basalt]

Because beeg laspeestol

[half wigeon]

x)

seems fair

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad

[fossil basalt]

I haven't really tried it yet but it's kind of weird judging from the white one I messed around with in the psykhanium

The first laspistol was good because it had a great RoF and an insane critical modifier

[half wigeon]

no hipfire slow fire rate

[terse idol]

Its alright, I got the deal extra damage on back hits with it

There is hip fire

For close range

[half wigeon]

not much damage more

[fossil basalt]

You should really only be using hipfire at closer engagements anyways

[half wigeon]

seems good weapon for zealot but for vet that does not like close combat

💀

[wanton dawn]

I dunno what is funnier with bayonet build: the time where ppl questions it or the times when no one ever questions it

[fossil basalt]

Hard disagree, melee vet is bonkers rn

Problem is you still need to aim, unlike a zealot

New knife w/infiltrate and a melee talent spec goes crazy

[bitter turtle]

i dont like new knife

[frank ether]

I have mixed feelings aswell

[bitter turtle]

feels like its still not really that much better for hordes while giving up what the knfe is supposed to be good at it in the first place

[frank ether]

feels like old knife is just better? Idk

[fossil basalt]

I like that I can weave the wider sweeps into single target removal

[bitter turtle]

id like it a lot if strike down was the first heavy

a lot more at least

[eternal sable]

have you guys tried duo maelstrom yet ?

absolute mayhem

[forest blaze]

Knife is fine if you’re speed racing the fastest solo death

Limit testing

[terse idol]

What noo its not that bad

[forest blaze]

Yah yah

[bitter turtle]

so

what are people doing on the shovel then

[forest blaze]

Literally never seen a knife player not set a new record for fastest death

[bitter turtle]

blessing

[terse idol]

Wait wait wait

[bitter turtle]

i mean

[terse idol]

Weapon spec

And CQC spec

Makes vet very good in melee

[fossil basalt]

You need to play with better players lol

[forest blaze]

Can’t

[terse idol]

Maybe on par with zealot

[bitter turtle]

knife is good

i like it a lot

but

[terse idol]

But they fill different roles

[bitter turtle]

only problem with it is you need a gun that can handle hordes

[terse idol]

Infiltrate lasting longer helps

[half wigeon]

the class is clearly not made for close combat

[bitter turtle]

you have 25% attackspeed on right tree

[forest blaze]

Knife players mag dumping hordes then dying is a kink of mine

[bitter turtle]

how is that not made for close combat

[half wigeon]

let's go play ranged zealot then 🤡

[forest blaze]

For real

[south spindle]

Alright, i'll get my BAG out

[bitter turtle]

like

[fossil basalt]

There's an entire third of the vet tree specifically for melee lol

[forest blaze]

Stay away from the ammo if you’re doing that

[bitter turtle]

last patch was literally melee vet as the best way to play it lol

[bitter turtle]

if you run out of ammo as vet then that is a skill issue

lol

regardless of shooting hordes or not

that or you are using recon

[topaz salmon]

Is there a cool assassin like (vermintide2) veteran build with the stealth mechanic & maybe a knife or shall I ask the zealots?

[south spindle]

Or you have to kill all the things because potato teammates

[wise fossil]

Knife zealot is certainly better than knife vet

[fossil basalt]

I can share mine later, but yeah

[half wigeon]

never ran out of ammo

and iam using colomnus

[terse idol]

I mean

Weapon spec

[forest blaze]

I use plasma and I don’t typically have ammo problems unless I’m in a potato lobby

[bitter turtle]

columnus has a fat ammo pool

[terse idol]

Revolver combo

[bitter turtle]

you can dump into hordes pretty regularly and still not run out

[terse idol]

PS6

[bitter turtle]

that's what i use with knife at least

[terse idol]

Which sure its an outlier

But vet is competent in melee

[forest blaze]

Colum has silly ammo reserve.

[bitter turtle]

its even sillier now that more ppl are taking 25% more ammo

to get elite dmg

[forest blaze]

Just stay away from the ammo if you’re hell bent on solo dying

[bitter turtle]

not that its even necessary

[fossil basalt]

I personally enjoy infiltrate with overwatch and low profile with the damage boost, knife and a lasgun

Smokes if you're built different, one of the other nades if you like beeg number

[forest blaze]

Frags op

[fossil basalt]

Bleed frags with mercy killer knife is a fun one

[still flare]

Anytime you're feeling cramped as a team and need some space, double frag solves all of your problems

Great for setting up revives too

[stone folio]

kinda wish shotguns had access to Hand Cannon from the revolver

[still flare]

Throw>push>start reviving

[forest blaze]

Friend overwhelmed because they’re bad at positioning and melee? Frag.
Objective? Frag.
Too many grenades in your inventory? Frag.

[wise fossil]

Honestly the 50% bigger aura skill has been great with the ammo aura

[south spindle]

Nb, nb, Kant' Shotgun/new Chainsword. Was only a Hi-Doggos, but good test run

[wise fossil]

Actually never run low, even if pubs are idiots

[fossil basalt]

Is that a big aura or are you just happy to rez me?

[wise fossil]

That some 25% extra ammo in your pocket?

[flint garden]

bruh when my revolver reaper 1 tap breakpoint only works at a super specific range

[fossil basalt]

Until the psyker tells the oggie it's extra rashuns

NO BIG MAN NO

[radiant cargo]

kind of on that note; what's the real benefit folks get out of the las pistols over rifles? is it better hip shot accuracy or something?

[stone folio]

what talents do ppl run with the revolvers?

[radiant cargo]

faster rate of fire?

[topaz lance]

do you have longshot?

[south spindle]

Better hip fire, better finesse damage, more quickdraw

Mobility too

[radiant cargo]

quick draw being weapon swap speed?

[flint garden]

yep

[south spindle]

Ye

[topaz lance]

deadshot

[topaz lance]

ay

[radiant cargo]

roger. I'll have to dick around with them some. I've mostly ignored hand guns, besides the revolver

[fossil basalt]

Yeah laspistols are beaut if you get into a tight situation

[south spindle]

They're p'good man, well worth some time with

[fossil basalt]

My main build on psyker is a laspistol gunker

But that's for another channel

[fresh mango]

I am not a fan of the new shovels weirdly

[radiant cargo]

what did they do to them? I havetn' screwed with them in forever.

[stone folio]

I understand the point of the focus talent... but why must you stand still for it?... i get that im just having a "skill issue" but darn

most of the time i dont have time to stand still and stack it

[atomic zephyr]

dont stand still

just shoot heads

crouch if you're feeling risky

[flint garden]

also like 50 damage away from dreg rager body oneshot without buffs

[steep vault]

Okay

what do I do with this

[fossil basalt]

It procs when it procs and is nice, but don't count on it if you stop moving, you'll just get slapped

[delicate estuary]

you are taking the keystone at face value. People complain about uptime but that does not matter in this case. When you gonna need the keystone active it will be active almost guaranteed. You need to hit 2 headshots on 2 shitter mobs and stand still for 2 seconds and you almost at 10 stacks with camouflage.

[fossil basalt]

Keep as is orrr swap bloodletter to savage sweep

I like bleed, personally

[thick hare]

this isnt salvagable ye?

[steep vault]

is rev it up good?

cuz I don't feel like I noticed a difference before and after rev it up

[fossil basalt]

I think rev it up is S tier, others may disagree

[bitter turtle]

block efficiency -> flak
thunderstrike -> uncanny

its probably fine

there's a lot of perks worse than elite dmg

[steep vault]

okay

[thick hare]

decimator is what we want on shovel?

[bitter turtle]

deci + uncanny is a build

[weary acorn]

anyone know if damage resistance vs tox flamers is worth it now that fire is hellish?

[terse idol]

Camouflage is honestly slept on, and even I dispariged it

[atomic zephyr]

honestly i think i PREFER marksman's focus over focus target, purely because i can get marksman's up and running in 1/2 a second while focus target requires me to not ping anything for a bit if i want to crank up the damage

[wise fossil]

I like wrath or Savage sweep personally

[bitter turtle]

though im still looking at other blessings

[terse idol]

I wouldn't touch flamer resistance until FS adjusts it

[fossil basalt]

Makes hitting targets with the special easier since closing distances is trivial

[steep vault]

what do I replace tho

[terse idol]

We just don't know how much it'll be different

[wise fossil]

Probably bloodletter

[bitter turtle]

focus is prob my least fav ngl

i rpefer marksman and weapons specialist on all my trees

depending on the gun/melee

[willow cloud]

playing around with the new shovels, quite the mutie stopper

[atomic zephyr]

focus is just kinda boring

[terse idol]

Now to be fair, max stacks on 8 take it down is like 32% but having less is fine

[fossil basalt]

Focus is a surprisingly boring marksman talent imo

[steep vault]

got it 👍

[steep vault]

alright

[still flare]

I prefer having a really beefed up non-keystone build

You can take so much now

[terse idol]

Like 20% extra damage on what

[bitter turtle]

like to begin with focus NEEDS like all the goddamn support nodes to be good

[terse idol]

5 stacks

[bitter turtle]

marksman needs camo and that's it

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i usually dont wait for it to pick up and just ping whenever, but 90% of the time by the time i have all 8 stacks ready the thing i wanted to ping is dead

[bitter turtle]

weapons specialist needs reserve on SOME WEAPONS, a lot of the times you can pick up absolutely nothing

[atomic zephyr]

unless its a monstrosity

[terse idol]

I will say there are some breakpoints to meet when you have the full stacks

[wise fossil]

Eh, I'm already tagging enemies so the tag keystone is free

[last steppe]

not edited it at all yet, first cadia sword i've leveled so far

[atomic zephyr]

those stats arent great tbh

[still flare]

True, I do enjoy a tag build that buffs the whole team for doing normal behavior anyway

[atomic zephyr]

but a good start

[bitter turtle]

idk about youg uys

[last steppe]

been having fun with savage sweep, and not tried it out with shred so far, but yes, the stat's aren't great lol

[fossil basalt]

Bin it for shredIV and get another<3

[bitter turtle]

but i dont play normally with tag tree

[snow pendant]

nothing to do ? frag

[bitter turtle]

usually i spam the fuck out of tag

as a way to scout down elites in the distance

[last steppe]

tis what i was thinking

[unborn ridge]

guys what is the best build for dps ?

[bitter turtle]

tag tree makes me tag LESS actually lmao

[unborn ridge]

like boss and elite clearing?

[bitter turtle]

idk pick a weapon first

[fossil basalt]

Dps-ing what?

[bitter turtle]

just dont pick recon

[wise fossil]

Make sure you have a gun

[last steppe]

that's the thing about the tag tree i found out right, because to be fully effective you can't quite "spam" it anymore, you gotta wait for the stacks / the enemy to die

[unborn ridge]

i mean boss dps or dealing with tanks

[bitter turtle]

exactly

so in a way

its not a bonus for just playing how i usually play

[wise fossil]

The tanks are just cosmetic, you can't drive them

[bitter turtle]

i have to actually stop tagging except every 10 sec lol

[fossil basalt]

Infantry lasgun with infernus for boss damage

[bitter turtle]

or at least not spam to scout

or else it will waste it

idk

[wise fossil]

Not really, you get one for free immediately

[bitter turtle]

not really a fan

[last steppe]

so yea if you're used to just randomly spamming tags, it's not gonna be good for you, but if you pay atteention to your stacks, you can use the tag to massively benefit your team, and focus fire on annoying stuff

[bitter turtle]

marksman focus is the one i consider "benefits you for playing nromally"

you should already aim for heads

[still flare]

The way redirect works it keeps the buffs up

[fossil basalt]

And keep up a perpetual 32% damage increase

Or so I hear

[bitter turtle]

ya, i mean it works for redirect fire

[last steppe]

yea like, it's massively rewarding for using it properly

[still flare]

If a monstrosity spawns you can wait for stacks, but normal gameplay you just spam

[bitter turtle]

but if you really want to pump a big one full of dmg, you want full stacks

so i end up feeling like

nah

i wont tag that gunner

he dies in 2 seconds anyway

which like, if i was playing normally

i tag him anyway b/c who knows

[wise fossil]

I just don't worry about it. Free damage is free

[sour knoll]

YO, new shovel. finally got some time to play and I'm naming this shovel Chad, because he Fucks.

[last steppe]

i got the perks that benefit my team a decent amount for dropping tagged targets anyways, and the stacks come back reasonably fast so i just tag anything that's particularly annoying me

[still flare]

Toughness too, if you invest

[fossil basalt]

Dare I say it, most non-specialist enemies don't need to be tagged

[bitter turtle]

i mean there's probably some truth to that

but

muscle memory tagging fucking everything

lul

[unborn ridge]

anyone?

[bitter turtle]

im just contesting the idea that you can just play normally to maximize the benefit of focus

[unborn ridge]

like boss killer build

[bitter turtle]

i feel like ist hte one that actually fucks up my normal tempo the most

marksman is the least intrusive for me at least

just click on heads like i do always

[last steppe]

besides i feel it's less about the damage and more about fully pointing out a target to your team, the benefit everyone gets for dropping your tagged target is an actual incentive for brainless randoms to benefit from doing what they already should be

[bitter turtle]

get free bonuses

[still flare]

I disagree with the design choice. Feels like a brainless chore, not too much decision making

[unborn ridge]

the problem with marksman is u gotta get the kill on headshot otherwise u cant move

[fossil basalt]

MgIV lasgun with infernus

[wise fossil]

Just search the website
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds

[bitter turtle]

if you move

it only drops 1 stack

its not really a big deal

[unborn ridge]

i ignores the lasgun build because someone here said it was dead after nerf

[bitter turtle]

i almost never play around standing still on marksman and it still works gud

i only stand still if i was gonna stand still to shoot anyway

[fossil basalt]

It was nerfed literal months ago, and then they rebuffed it

[atomic zephyr]

wtf you mean dead lasguns are incredible

except for recon

[bitter turtle]

he prolly means recon

since "dead afte rnerf"

[stone folio]

they released a new chainsword variant right? how is it?

[bitter turtle]

i dont htink any other lasgun got nerfed

unless you count the bayonet on helbore getting bugfixed

[atomic zephyr]

i like new chainsword

[sour knoll]

new chainsword doesn't impress me personally but peope I've played with seem to like it

[atomic zephyr]

strikedown heavies and a good variety of lights

meta? no but its fun

[fossil basalt]

Meta bad

[wise fossil]

I mean Mk XII isn't quite as good as it was when the game released like a year ago. But it's still good

[steep vault]

another roll

[last steppe]

been having fun with the cadia chainsword, even a suboptimal one with doodoo stats absolutely shreds hordes
with lightspam

[steep vault]

what do I do with it

[atomic zephyr]

i miss my xii. it doesnt fit the sane anymore

[fossil basalt]

Reject psword embrace knife

[atomic zephyr]

swap punishing for dumdum

then infested for maniac

[wise fossil]

Punishing to dum dum, infested to mutant

[last steppe]

real question is tho, has anybody actually started using the new laspistol?

[bitter turtle]

id probably put infested to flak tbh

[steep vault]

okay

[wise fossil]

Yeah, maniac not mutant

[fossil basalt]

It's... kinda in a bad spot tho

[bitter turtle]

column already shreds maniac

like

[atomic zephyr]

its neat
ive used it

[bitter turtle]

really hard

not that maniac is bad on it, i run it too

but if i had to pick between maniac or flak fo rit, probably flak

[wise fossil]

It's meh, I agree. Usable if you really want to, but no way it's meta

[last steppe]

not sure what spot the new laspistol would be in that would make me use it over any of the other semi-auto las rifles

[fossil basalt]

Kan12 needs pierce for weaker mobs imo, make it a bit closer to a hotshot

[tall torrent]

MG12 needs exe stance to work which limits its build variety a bit

[fossil basalt]

Fill the gap between the other two lasguns and helbores

[fossil basalt]

It draws faster and has a better crit multiplier

[unborn ridge]

so recon is sht?

cuz the top build it showed me used lasgun vld recon

xd

[fossil basalt]

Recons fell off the cart, yeah

They're... usable?

[sour knoll]

I like Infernus recon, the big recon uses too much ammo IMO.

[fossil basalt]

But they eat ammo like a mf

[last steppe]

also weird thing i've noticed with many games that use laser weaponry.... why the hell do they give it a fake ammo capacity? Like, seemingly random ammo capacity, but it uses multiple units of ammo per shot? Seems absolutely random, making it annoying to notice how many shots you ACTUALLY have left at a glance, with no benefit to doing it at all

[unborn ridge]

but for head hunting which wep is the best? the revolver?

[sour knoll]

you burst heads, they die, use it to deal with shooters/specialists and put it away otherwise.

[terse idol]

it's still bad

Like, they may have become...

[unborn ridge]

plasma gun eats ammo like theres no tomorrow

[terse idol]

A gun this patch

But it's stinky

[bitter turtle]

yes its shit

[terse idol]

Are you left clicking or charging more?

[bitter turtle]

if you want

[unborn ridge]

ik thats why i ask here the builds in the website are random

[bitter turtle]

a gun that is "like" recon

[terse idol]

You want to be able to get to the break point where you One shot Gunners with a left click

[unborn ridge]

charging

[bitter turtle]

just use the columnus infantry autogun

[terse idol]

Yeah naw

That's where the ammo problems come

[sour knoll]

I never have ammo problems with plasma really but I use melee A Ton.

[bitter turtle]

full automatic, but way better damage

same experience

[terse idol]

You need to build your Pgun so you can reliably left click headshot all Dredge/Scab gunners

You shouldn't be charging except for like Crushers imo

[unborn ridge]

instead of the lasgun recon?

so if i wanna snipe their heads off i use the revolver? (one tap build)

[last steppe]

man the normal non quickdraw revolver doesn't even need a build normally, just good aim and you can drop functionally anything in one or two shots if it's not armored

[terse idol]

The columnus IAG is incredible rn

yuhh

[terse idol]

At somepoint you do need to build so your revolver can also 2 tap crushers in the head

MAYBE ONE SHOT But I dunno if you can

[unborn ridge]

which one of the revolvers?

[last steppe]

well yea at max leveled / difficulty stuff sure, but that thing just slaps as is, i hesitate to say it, at base, functions as a better "sniper" role than the lasgun literally built for it

[terse idol]

I've seen show cases of the fan revolver like one-two tapping crushers iirc

But the aimed down should also be able to do something similar

[last steppe]

like, the non quickdraw revolver has a faster fire rate, a comparable range, and a comparable accuracy, to the lasgun meant to be a form of sniper, and that's genuinely sad, because it doesn't leave that lasgun with much else to brag about other than ammo capacity, since it's outshined in functionally all other respects

like i genuinely cannot think of a reason i would pick up that specific lasgun over anything else

[fossil basalt]

... HelboreIII?

[last steppe]

currently yea, i don't remeber names right, if that's the funky "sniper" one that charges up dmg

[snow pendant]

what perks to put on helbore ?

[last steppe]

dunno, it's not a "bad" gun, just outshined by others that fill it's role better

[snow pendant]

also helbore bayonet deals very good dmg each stab can stagger ragers u can bully ragers to death with it

[fossil basalt]

But only on 1 and 2

[last steppe]

cause that's what i get my melee weapon and gun statted up for, to ignore both their primary uses and mainhand the gun's stab lol

[snow pendant]

3 dont exist for me , is a shit swing and charge too slow

[snow pendant]

i run shredder grenade to avoid getting swarm , the new caxe or shovel that lets u delete armor then rest is history

also mk3 helbore doesnt give u faster sprint speed if u hold the bayonet

utterly garbargio

[last steppe]

like i said, hellbore isn't BAD, it's just outshined by other weapons that do it's job better, especially if you actually use your whole kit instead of just trying to mainline your gun the whole time

[midnight mortar]

Onslaught and Surgical.

Oh sorry

Depends on the mk.

[snow pendant]

mk1

[midnight mortar]

For the mk1, I'm not familiar with the breakpoints. I know my mk2 benfits from unarmored in order to 1 tap uncharged headshot dreg gunners when in exec stance.

[snow pendant]

i see it as a gun with a convienient knife on it and also let me sprint fast, in terms of shooting things to dead its ok definitely not the best because of the charge if i want a better gun i would pick others

helbore is just an easier gun to use in close spaces

[midnight mortar]

Carapace can cut down on the # of shots.

The mk2 excels as an antishooter gun and does it better than other weapon options while being able to deal with carapace with some space, handles rager swarms for free, and specials with a comparable TTK to other options.

[last steppe]

I suppose if you're hellbent on literally ONLY using your gun, hellbore is certainly a decent choice, the melee on it makes it fairly good for that at least

[midnight mortar]

The bayonet is so strong you can use it as a primary melee for 80% to 90% of an auric damnation.

[snow pendant]

so flak and maniac then

[manic badger]

are the chain axes actually good now?

[snow pendant]

no, i will swap when harder armor show up

[midnight mortar]

You may not need flak for the mk1, I'd check your breakpoints with and without.

[last steppe]

no idea, they feel weird, like my game physically pulls me closer to enemies i swing at, turning my camera and junk against my will

not had it happen with anything OTHER than the chain axe

[midnight mortar]

I would still say no.

[tall torrent]

I’ve tested breakpoint
If u want the most point efficient way to reach all its breakpoints u want unarmored + weakpoint

For mk2 helbore

This still reaches dreg gunner 1 shot headshot (no crit) with:
5% ranged dmg (pathing through survivalist)
5% ranged dmg (pathing bottom left)
30% weakpoint dmg
2 stacks of tag keystone

[midnight mortar]

This is for a generalist engagement profile right, hence the weakpoint perk?

[tall torrent]

If u take 25% maniac instead of the 10% weakpoint as 2nd perk, you need crit headshot, 15% elite bonus from left (2 point investment), or 3 stacks of tag keystone

It’s much easier to maintain 2 stacks of tag keystone because it resets to a base of 2 after every tagged enemy is killed

[nimble sentinel]

ran outta plasteel but FINALLY Hadron gives me a shomvl

[tall torrent]

And the 10% weakpoint still allows u to crit 1 shot headshot both flamers with tag

[snow pendant]

is that for the mk1 ?

[tall torrent]

That’s for mk2

I haven’t checked mk1

[wanton dawn]

Ppl using ellbore to shot at thing instead of stabbing smh

[snow pendant]

i do both

i dont run at them to stab if they are far lol

[tall torrent]

Helbore2 vs Dreg gunner 1 shot headshot (without crit) requirement

If u take 3 red nodes here and only have 2 stacks of middle keystone applied, without redirect fire buff, it ends up at like 1365 dmg

I’m at 78% dmg roll

[cedar pecan]

Which perk should I replace here? toughness or toxflamer res?

[midnight mortar]

Flamer res.

No contest.

[cedar pecan]

Should I go with mutant res then?

[midnight mortar]

Uh haha, nah.

[cedar pecan]

Like I really wanna keep the bomber one because those guys scare me

[midnight mortar]

Health or ability regen.

[candid tundra]

is this bricked?

[tall torrent]

Mutant resist is irrelevant lol

[midnight mortar]

Bomber res doesn't help as much as you think.

[tall torrent]

Borderline bricked

[midnight mortar]

If you stack 3 bomber reses, it buys you barely .5 seconds of extra time in fire. Practically nothing.

Mutants and dogs don't deal enough damage to you to be relevant.

[candid tundra]

how bout now

[midnight mortar]

Or at least, shouldn't be.

[tall torrent]

Take to gold ig

[candid tundra]

💀

[tall torrent]

Harvest AoN4, move on

Progress is progress

[unborn ridge]

whats ur favorite melee for veteran?

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk2 combat axe

[eternal venture]

Mk3 Helbore needs +Carapace to reliably 2shot Crushers (I believe?)

Actually, let's test +Weakspot right now

[inland orchid]

used to be devils claw/chainaxe for me now im enjoying the new shovel

[tall torrent]

Don’t use weakpoint in vast majority of cases imo

The only weapon I’ve found where weakpoint is actually useful is mk2 helbore

[eternal venture]

Interesting, didn't expect that for the Mk2 Hel until I read your comment from earlier

Yeah Mk3 needs +Carapace for the crusher 2shot

or you can headshot a Mauler once then bodyshot for a 2shot with +Carapace

[umbral scaffold]

Tell me a Astra Militarum joke

I wants to lol

[inland orchid]

How many commasairs does it take to change a light blub?

[umbral scaffold]

How many

[inland orchid]

1, and 2 dead guardsmen that were too chicken to do it

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[inland orchid]

hope i gave u the lols u wanted my fellow reject

[umbral scaffold]

Yes I am rofling

[inland orchid]

dope i plan to continue this laugh causing but with some pub rejects

Ima krak anything and EVERYTHING

plague ogryn running in? Kraked

Crusher tryna give my squad a bad time? Kraked

DH minding its own business? Kraked

[nimble sentinel]

under-privileged inner hive youth?

[inland orchid]

Kraked

[last steppe]

watched a fella on twitch new to the game, he watched his team skirt past a DH... then walked right up to it and bonked it with his starter shovel

[sleek cairn]

hi peeps im here to humiliate myself once again @nimble sentinel did u make a fanfire revolver build

[inland orchid]

you love to see it

unintentionally going for the penace

[nimble sentinel]

nope I got absorbed in making shovels

after spending literally days to get a good roll on a mk 7, turns out I prefer the 3 lol

[last steppe]

kek

[bleak dirge]

Question, what is the point of the Vraks VII Headhunter Autogun when it does less damage than a lasgun which is also semi auto, has less ammo, and a slower fire rate

[nimble sentinel]

I totally did not get the numbers mixed up

[bleak dirge]

Also only iron sights

[nimble sentinel]

copium from the lasgun haters crit strings get freaky with headshots

[dapper vessel]

AMERICA BABY

[inland orchid]

im taking this meme and running, thank u

[bleak dirge]

Doesn’t sound like a fair trade

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-me-your-meme-gif-21371982

[quiet token]

No worries, I literally did the same

[inland orchid]

Such is the growth of memes

[nimble sentinel]

peak performance with lasguns also takes a lot of talent tree points, vraks works out the gate

[kindred vapor]

What blessings for a good horde clear version of the new shovel

the one with good side sweeping thats foldablle

[nimble sentinel]

I MADE THAT MEME AND I am glad it is getting the spread it is, good on you all ❤️

[inland orchid]

you?! then i have 1 and but 1 complant

[bleak dirge]

So basically it’s a noobie gun for those that lack faith in the praised humble lasgun

[inland orchid]

background aint transparent

[nimble sentinel]

I never said I put effort in it

[inland orchid]

but drawing a whole line over slim shady's outline can be timeconsuming so i get ya

[nimble sentinel]

[inland orchid]

lol thats the best part of meme creation

[nimble sentinel]

precisely

[inland orchid]

the amount of effort varies alot and its awesome

[quiet token]

I mean, I can also try myself.

I don't have better things to do

[inland orchid]

neither do i but i'd rather mindlessly purge than try to make cool meme

more lax that way

granted i do have clips of darktide gaming so those can be considered memes in some aspect

so maybe im a hypocrit 🤷‍♂️

[unborn ridge]

what about the lasgun heavy pistol

is it good

i dont efeel like headsman works well with rapid fire weapons

[inland orchid]

a handful of lads prefer the old one to the new one but it do slap

[quiet token]

I once saw a guy use it and he ripped an entire horde to shreds in mileseconds.

[grim walrus]

From the shop

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-sunglasses-double-sunglasses-look-remove-shades-gif-17848793

i know a friend who gets the same luck on modifiers, im so envious

[south spindle]

Thats Plasma

[nimble sentinel]

It's much more skewed towards killing elites than shooters and hordes. Both pistols can do that of course but higher damage/lower fire rate means you're shooting the big few lads mroe than the many smaller ones. Probably better in the hands of a zealot, but still a good gun

[kindred vapor]

What blessings for a good horde clear version of the new shovel

[nimble sentinel]

Maybe someone else did more science but skullcrusher (4 stack of 10+ damage if staggered) works real well I find. You're already tossing the little bastards back and forth, might as well make it hurt more

[inland orchid]

i got thrust and skullcrusher on my new shovel is been doing me good

[nimble sentinel]

new shovels are going to be your carapace can opener though so you wanna build around that moreso

[inland orchid]

the thrust is for the special to chunk more

[south spindle]

Thrust/Decimator

Thrust for the big wallops vs tankier targets, Deci' alone will destroy a horde with no spec for melee

If you're speccing for a predominantly melee build tho, Thrust/Uncanny as it should let you one shot Crusher

[unborn ridge]

what is the best lasgun atm?

[nimble sentinel]

MINE

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/kingsmen-kingsman-no-this-is-mine-rifle-merlin-gif-4989402

im betterer, strongerer

source:i made it up

[unborn ridge]

Kantrael mg la or iv

[hybrid river]

mgiV has slightly best dps but most spammy and the least one shot breakpoints and range, mgla has similar dps but better range and more one shot capability, mg12 has lowest dps but longest range and most one shot breakpoints

[nimble sentinel]

real talk, up to you. Both are great for their own reasons: 1a is going to get the one shot kills on the bigger lads, 4 is gonna hurt em faster and hurt em more with the ammo efficiency if your trigger finger and accuracy are goated

[sleek cairn]

@nimble sentinel which ones more ammo efficient overall

if one has better one-shots

[inland orchid]

thank u for taking the time outta ur convo to snag that meme for me, i appreicate it

is mad funny meme

[hybrid river]

theyre all incredibly ammo efficient

[inland orchid]

^

[kindred vapor]

Sounds good

[inland orchid]

ya lasguns are built with ammo in mind

[nimble sentinel]

to be honest you'll never run out of ammo for either with the right set up

[sleek cairn]

oh. you're one of those guys

that makes sense

[nimble sentinel]

of COURSE I'm one of those guys

[sleek cairn]

are we talking.. shocktrooper, 25% ammo and survivalist?

THOSE guys

[inland orchid]

You're saying you wouldnt take inf ammo when given the opportunity?

[nimble sentinel]

||SHOOT THE FUCKING HORDE Your job as a guardsman is to shoot the hordes and your gun is built to have the ammo to shoot the horde and the horde can't kill you if you killed them first by shooting the horde||

[inland orchid]

[sleek cairn]

im a melee vet through and through

[inland orchid]

so am i which is why i enjoy not caring for ammo

[nimble sentinel]

I have a separate build that's only different in that it takes Fire Team if another vet on my squad already has survivalist

[inland orchid]

actually im cappin ima support vet disguised as a melee vet

cuz i run in and shout at the horde

[sleek cairn]

i know but the inf ammo cost is more than just a 3 point tax on melee vet ibelieve

maybe 5 points

[kindred vapor]

Hand cannon is good on revolver right?

[nimble sentinel]

I'm taking Superiority Complex anyway and now that we have minecraft pickaxes I don't need the kraks

[inland orchid]

pairs extremely well with surgical since that compliments the crit hand cannon needs to proc

[nimble sentinel]

it's actually really just the one point lol

[bitter turtle]

have people tried skullcrusher on the mk3 shovel

[sleek cairn]

yeah i know, thats why i said melee vet

since we avoid left tree pretty hard

[nimble sentinel]

I like it, no idea if it's better than the setup mentioned earlier tho

[inland orchid]

even tho it is the strikedown version of the shovel i'd still give it a chance

[bitter turtle]

i was thinking

since it gives a very easy 2shot on crushers

and also helps horde dmg when they get staggered maybe? idk

[nimble sentinel]

light attacks are already tossing poxwalkers around like my balls in a mantis shrimp tank so why not?

[terse idol]

Yeah, that's what I'm feeling

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[charred torrent]

hey guys, mobility is a dump stat, right?

[bitter turtle]

i was thinking skullcrusher with light spam

[terse idol]

If It's close enough to a bully club, then skull crusher would be pretty good

[sleek cairn]

on most weapons yes

[bitter turtle]

combine with weapon specalist for the veri fast hits

[charred torrent]

I was joking, because this revolver

31% is fine for good everything else, right?

[sleek cairn]

how long do u actually have the revolver out tho lol

half a second?

are u holding the revolver out by default

[charred torrent]

depends on my other weapon. on my melee vet a lot because good mobility, and starting with melee specialist procced. otherwise its a toss up

[sleek cairn]

heeey another melee vet, that's cool

in that case, u could dump that stat hard, u wont notice

im not gonna be caught actually holding a gun on vet

a quickswap to ur 31% mobility revolver, swap back. i dont think u'll notice lol

[charred torrent]

Well, I main vet, so ive got 4 different loadouts. melee vet is just what im running RN

but yeah, i'll probably use this for a bit, and wait till i have a better one before going final teir

[sleek cairn]

hey u're speaking as if u already nailed the crafting

so confident

[charred torrent]

I mean, I dont expect a better one to come along soon

I ALSO have a much better revolver of the other varient

[nimble sentinel]

I love my las but watcha runnin? I wanna see what a melee main takes to see if my melee build is trash

[sleek cairn]

melee vet takes high frontloaded dmg guns so they can eliminate a trapper or bomber behind 10 maulers before it becomes a problem

so usually Revolver, Plasma, the likes

[charred torrent]

My melee vet is mk 3 power sword and zarona revolver. revolver is good for quickdrawing stuff

[sleek cairn]

weapon specialist only gives crit to the first shot.

if there's anything a melee vet hates, its the trappers and bombers hiding behind bulwarks n stuff

[charred torrent]

yep. My only downs in the past 4 or 5 missions have been trappers

[nimble sentinel]

so focus is still on the middle tree then?

[sleek cairn]

nah, right tree

middle tree secondary

[manic badger]

god no keystone plasma gun build goes so hard with the updated vet tree

[sleek cairn]

the least amount of tax nodes is right tree and middle tree for melee vet

[south spindle]

Man seriously, what is it with people doing Maelstrom who have no idea what the hell they're doing

[raven crane]

Who said "Melee Vet"?

[sleek cairn]

thats actually pretty cool lol

i'd take that as mtx

[manic badger]

melee vet with a lawbringer shotty with increased cleave on crit and bleed on crit is fuckin amazing

[sleek cairn]

manstopper?

[manic badger]

manstopper and flechette i believe

[sleek cairn]

it is really cool for sure

[manic badger]

the other build that goes hard on weapon specialist is og revolver and a combat axe

[charred torrent]

well, now i pray for my heavy laspistol....

[sleek cairn]

#veteran-class message You're like this right? 50 kills a shot

[sleek cairn]

yes. praise the lord

we need more ppl on rashad

[manic badger]

I tried the fan the hammer revolver with weapon spec you just get

way more value out of a higher per damage shot

because only the first bullet is a gauranteed crit

[nimble sentinel]

where should the rest go?

[manic badger]

thats such an open ended question

it depends what you want to do

[sleek cairn]

he wants to solo carry his auric maelstroms with no bots.

[nimble sentinel]

I wanna punch heretics with a shovel

and also do that

[sleek cairn]

just framing your perspective

not saying u cant

[manic badger]

you probably want to start pathing down the right tree get the melee crit and attack speed as well as brittlness on melee crit

[sleek cairn]

he did

in that case, grab 10% rending and ogryn/monstrosity to handle bosses

[manic badger]

oh im sorry i didnt zoom in on the pic i see now

[nimble sentinel]

and now to decide which keystone

[sleek cairn]

his weakness now is boss dmg so he has to shore it up quickly

[manic badger]

also on the right tree the dodge giving crit talent is highly slept on

it is extremely good

rending will help the shovel has good horde clear iirc depending on the mark

[sleek cairn]

a melee vet also values the 10% melee dmg node as a necessity

[nimble sentinel]

unless...

[manic badger]

so you could just take krak grenades instead of frags

[sleek cairn]

so frags are usually a no-go

[mystic belfry]

Wrong

[manic badger]

don't sleep on the weakspot damage on las pistols

[sleek cairn]

its just taxing

[manic badger]

they are basically pinpoint on the hip fire

[sleek cairn]

frags are excellent grenades

but i dont want survivalist usually so..

if i could take frags without being taxed to go left, i really would lol

heck frags are probably the best nade vet has

[nimble sentinel]

On Your Toes is out of frame

[sleek cairn]

i just can't afford it

so it's a no-go for me

[sleek cairn]

this is a laspistol vet? onslaught will only help the gun so

im assuming this is a ranged vet

[nimble sentinel]

melee predominantly with the Leagle for specials and elites

no onslaught is good to know, got 2 points to burn

[raven crane]

Chainaxe and overcommitment to questionable tactical decisions is all you need.

https://youtu.be/NvTkbXzEhNg?si=AE7q_OaHaDSte32s

[sleek cairn]

well if we speak that way, the entire left tree doesnt simultaneously help melee and ranged so

[nimble sentinel]

in that case I should take a revolver

or plasma

[sleek cairn]

thats why i go for 10% rending and ogryn/monstro. they help both weps

yup

[nimble sentinel]

or Columnus

[sleek cairn]

err i usually prefer psyker for columnus

[nimble sentinel]

I could spend that last point to take frags

[sleek cairn]

yeah u could

i usually go rightside for +10% melee and agile engagement

since agile engagement and wep specialist is my thing lol

i sacrifice my nades tho

[nimble sentinel]

that would be smarter

[sleek cairn]

i dont have onslaught since i go revolver or plasma, somethin like that

they handle carapace pretty well already so most of the points are for handling bosses

i mean in terms of breakpoints

[nimble sentinel]

gonna take a columbo, losing out on 20% for ogryns so I can take 25% on everything including ogryns

[radiant cargo]

do grenades count as "ammo" for the 90% accuracy and no ammo pennance?

[sleek cairn]

oh yeah if columbo, definitely

in that case, watch for bulwarks

[bitter turtle]

man

shovel dmg vs unyielding suggs donkey

didnt realize that

[sleek cairn]

how about the new twins

shovel ok on that?

[bitter turtle]

idk i have seen them like once

lol

[sleek cairn]

Just going to remind u, as others have in this chat.. that wep specialist only helps the first bullet on ur columbo

if that's how u wanna roll it, i wont stop u

[nimble sentinel]

ah beans

alreayd on the way

[sleek cairn]

lol its okay, i doubt the tree helps u anyway when u play so well

its just to assist how great u already are

[frank ether]

surgical onslaught for mk3

[raven crane]

I'm gonna show my objectively wrong build.

[bitter turtle]

man

i might actually take krak

on my build now

vrak7/shovel

need monstro dmg

and bulwarks are annoying

the shovel kills htem so slow

mostly bulwarks is the problem lmao

[nimble sentinel]

could be going better

[sleek cairn]

mid tree, take iron will instead of traveling straight down

[frank ether]

solo bulwark you can dance around, group bulwark frags will stun and kill stuff around them

I find frags better to deal with bulwark for that reason

[sleek cairn]

@raven crane otherwise, i can handle your cringe. do as u please

[sleek cairn]

this is why i want frags so much but i can never.

[tall torrent]

Born leader
No iron will
No demo team
No demo stockpile
No stamina regen delay reduction

[bitter turtle]

yeah it just

takes a while

is all

[tall torrent]

Bait used to be believable

[bitter turtle]

i had 2 on me

[sleek cairn]

in my mind, frags are the forbidden fruit. I can never have it.

[bitter turtle]

i had to used a frag to kill htem in a timely manner

[sleek cairn]

but i want it

[bitter turtle]

the shovel special doesnt do much to them

it actually kills carapace faster

lmao

mostly b/c they dont get staggered by it

[raven crane]

I'll do it wrong.

[bitter turtle]

so my skullcrusher doesnt work

[sleek cairn]

lol wrong is fine. its just whatever

[nimble sentinel]

aight so maybe not columbo

[bitter turtle]

welp

[nimble sentinel]

or not dipshit teammates that want to fondle the deamonhost

[bitter turtle]

rate my vraks7/shovel build lmao

https://i.gyazo.com/7dcbf75bfd3f6f0c847d17f1e629f5b3.png

[sleek cairn]

im not gonna tell ppl they're constantly wrong in this chat. that's how u start the weird arguments @raven crane ur tree is cool

[bitter turtle]

vraks7 hits oneshot breakpoints on gunner even w/o marksman focus for me

[raven crane]

<3

[sleek cairn]

i just wanted u to really take iron will so u'd survive better

the rest is, go wild

[bitter turtle]

fire changes doubled IW stonks

[sleek cairn]

especially when im often wrong too

[bitter turtle]

makes mes ad to let go of demo team

[sleek cairn]

can vraks 7 handle bosses for u

actually.. damn, when i think about it. Vraks 7 itself requires a lot of nodes to setup

u sure chose a difficult gun on ur talent points lol

[bitter turtle]

nah lol

that's why I am taking krak now

[sleek cairn]

i see

[bitter turtle]

i dont think it does very well against bosses period

[sleek cairn]

lol shovel vraks 7 boss handling. you got balls. balls i dont have

[bitter turtle]

i realize last run bulwarks are real annoying too

[south garnet]

fucking shop plugin still broken aaaaaaaa

[sleek cairn]

yeah i was trying to tell @nimble sentinel about the bulwark issue but he already went to try his loadout

i believe @mystic belfry takes kraks just to handle bulwarks half the time

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[sleek cairn]

offering perspective from others; not myself lol

[bitter turtle]

The shovel unironicallt kills carapace faster than unyielding

[brazen bay]

did they buff bomber recently?

[bitter turtle]

So bulwark are annoying as fug

[torn gorge]

shovel damage on unyielding is pretty bad ngl

[flint garden]

they gave them nukes yes

[balmy flume]

Do you want to know how to complete Assassination in style?
You blow up the target with a Krak grenade.

[bitter turtle]

Vrak has like infinite ammo so I can drop survivalist ez

[sleek cairn]

i actually bring plasma often instead of revolver ONLY because of bulwarks and im taking smokes

[bitter turtle]

I already take like 1 ammo box

[torn gorge]

ye but are you smoking your team in the process?

[tall torrent]

What breakpoints does 15% elite hit

[bitter turtle]

Only

In most run

[nimble sentinel]

busy doing hot girl shit

[sleek cairn]

u know how i do it. I always smoke the team first, enemies second

[bitter turtle]

Dreg gunner

[torn gorge]

always smoke the ogryn

[bitter turtle]

No crit

[torn gorge]

just to send a message

[sleek cairn]

hahah hell yeah, smoke those stupid ogryns

but it sort of works, if u limit ur teams visibility, u can guide them where u want

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t that build have like super high crit chance

[sleek cairn]

they try to exit the smoke as much as the enemy AI does

[torn gorge]

maybe that is the move to not have them walk on you during exec stance

[bitter turtle]

Maybe I'm a dumbass but I hate leaving it up to chance lmao

It does though

[sleek cairn]

lol Smoke nades are definitely more effective on your teammates than enemies. in terms of AI

[bitter turtle]

Deadshot wep special surg

If you dropped elite dmg

[sleek cairn]

not lying, smokes have saved me a few times for assassination

[bitter turtle]

What would you take

Rending?

[sleek cairn]

YES

and the ogryn/monstro node beside it

cuz u actively complained about unyielding

[bitter turtle]

Dropping elite dmg only gives 2 pts

[tall torrent]

Demo team

[sleek cairn]

or demo team since u swapped to kraks hmm

[bitter turtle]

Lol maybe, more krak

[sleek cairn]

all good!

[bitter turtle]

Maybe I'll drop suppression immunity for it lul

[sleek cairn]

ur big massive balls already make u suppression immune @bitter turtle

[bitter turtle]

Lol

I did a run with it earlier

[sleek cairn]

i wouldnt dare take that wep combo to solo bosses

[torn gorge]

how do the ranged twin and the captain behave in a smoke?

[mystic belfry]

Demo team is only worth it with shredders imo honestly

[torn gorge]

im curious now

[sleek cairn]

aw. u take kraks for bulwark right?

[mystic belfry]

If I take krak, it’s solely for bulwark yes

[sleek cairn]

and bossing

[bitter turtle]

Man

[mystic belfry]

I usually don’t krak bosses unless a teammate is getting chomped

[bitter turtle]

If rending worked on unarmored

[sleek cairn]

nvm we have VoC, u're right

[mystic belfry]

I just melee them most of the time

[bitter turtle]

Then I def could swap to rending lul

[sleek cairn]

no need to save ur teammate with anything but F

[mystic belfry]

If I get puked on, or am running survivalist maybe I’ll shoot it, depends on the gun

[frank ether]

yeah it does, but ideally I like to let others face the bulwark so I can shoot them

[sleek cairn]

i have a good question about nurgle. and getting slimed and swallowed .

[frank ether]

fastest way to deal with bulwarks is let the sharpshooter vet shoot while someone else occupies

[sly haven]

which iag is best for mid to long range?

[sleek cairn]

do u get around the nurgle or are u just hitting the weakspot through the nurgle

[inland orchid]

I shoot the mouth

[sleek cairn]

i mean melee

[bitter turtle]

Agri has the best recoil control

[frank ether]

probably agripina

[torn gorge]

to the side

[sleek cairn]

side okay

thanks

[celest vine]

Why the bot get better drip then me?

[inland orchid]

Ya if u go behind BoN he’ll swat u away with his tail

[torn gorge]

or if you are an ogryn you can hop on a BoN and start slapping the weakspot

[inland orchid]

So ya side would be the best spot

[torn gorge]

assuming that has not been fixed yet

[sly haven]

the bots wearing the fucking title screen helmet??????

FARTSHART

[sleek cairn]

my cheat code VoC doesnt work on it, and i hate grazing the slime being swallowed

[celest vine]

The full set

Doesnt have those huge boots

[sleek cairn]

all tips appreciated

[celest vine]

Just shin guards

Bots get better drip

[inland orchid]

They also wear other stuff that’s ingame but not accessible by us

[sly haven]

fatshark fucks with us too much

[inland orchid]

Like a cool ear piece

[torn gorge]

go to the side> whack the yellow bit> backdash the stomp every now and then

[tiny summit]

Cool ear piece to report to rannick if we're being a heretic

[torn gorge]

if you are not slimed bon does nothing

[terse idol]

Well yet, just get your wallets ready

Or it'll be another penance set for us to complete

[novel stone]

I NEED IT

[inland orchid]

I was already tempted by the navigator drip on psyker more temptations might explode my wallet

[sly haven]

what class of autogun is generally best for spraying down specials or elites from mid-long

[inland orchid]

[celest vine]

The tutorial has the ogryn wearing title screen gear too

[inland orchid]

I like the Columbus myself braced

[torn gorge]

graia IAG is fine for that range

[inland orchid]

Pretty meh against anything far tho cuz braced autoguns ain’t built for sights

[sleek cairn]

tell me more of ur braced columnus stories

[sly haven]

braced auto for mid to long...????

[plush dragon]

any suggestions for last upgrade?

[inland orchid]

Yea I’m a masochist, I like taking bottom roll stability on braced autoguns

[plush dragon]

seems naturally viable

[delicate moat]

bad finesse, bricked

[inland orchid]

I can’t hit ANYTHING far and I’m fine with that

[plush dragon]

silly goose, i still one shot mutants on auric