veteran-class

[pulsar drift]

It like leveling 8th character

Cuz I deleted some

[merry oak]

i got zelot but shes just sitting there

[mystic belfry]

Gimme

[merry oak]

helbore baynet lol

[mystic belfry]

No

[pulsar drift]

Gave up after a second thought

[mystic belfry]

Gimme spear

[merry oak]

closes we got so far

[pulsar drift]

Thinking about the pain I have to go through

[mystic belfry]

No helbore, only spear

[pulsar drift]

Nvm

[merry oak]

a halbread would be cool too

[wanton dawn]

No, mk3 bad

[merry oak]

lol

[mystic belfry]

Tuskgore spear, my beloved

[merry oak]

muchbad

mk3

[wanton dawn]

Who use a bayo like an axe

Smh

[merry oak]

tbh people use MK3 for the raised foresights

thats it

[merry oak]

cursed

[mystic belfry]

Boarding axe

But with gun

[pulsar drift]

Quick question

[mystic belfry]

We only allow slow questions here

[wanton dawn]

Too slow

[pulsar drift]

Does charismatic increases coherency radius?

Sry I m slow typer sah

[wanton dawn]

I am pretty sure that it does

[merry oak]

yes

from what ive seen

i used to run it

[pulsar drift]

Okay!

[wanton dawn]

I use it on my main build. Makes a lot of stuff seems smoother

[merry oak]

but its kinda usless to me since i always bayonet charge

[pulsar drift]

Cuz I am running grenadier build

[wanton dawn]

Vet loves coherency after all

[mystic belfry]

It's a decent talent

[pulsar drift]

So I am thinking larger radius will keep ppl in coherency more often

[mystic belfry]

Good with Target Down!

[pulsar drift]

Yea

I put target down on too

[merry oak]

i am partial with out for blood, shooting for 3 percent toughness on kill is funny

[pulsar drift]

The question is between one extra grenade, redirect fire, and coherency radius

On frag btw

Its been running great

But I am just thinking

[wanton dawn]

Coherency if you use frag

[pulsar drift]

Is 1 more nade rly that necessary?

[merry oak]

i only use 2 krak grenades, helbore is more than enough anti carapace

[mystic belfry]

1 extra nade isn't that big of a deal

[wanton dawn]

Unless you play smoke

[mystic belfry]

It's okay with krak, super meh with the other two

[wanton dawn]

Cuz you need to troll all the way

[gritty dock]

I wonder if this weapon was actually practical? Is this rather a fanciful product?

[pulsar drift]

I see

[mystic belfry]

It's a boarding axe with a pistol in it, it's fine

[merry oak]

tbh extra grenades depends if your other weapons cannot reliable kill

[mystic belfry]

You shoot someone and then use the axe

[pulsar drift]

Maybe I should just try it out

[mystic belfry]

That said, it's kind of silly over just taking a pistol and an axe generally

[wanton dawn]

It is fine if you shoot only once

[pulsar drift]

Cuz one extra nade had been comfortable

sometime I’ll get four nades from four kills

[mystic belfry]

You should avoid having max shredder nades anyways

[pulsar drift]

Idk is a gambling thing

[mystic belfry]

If you hit your full capacity on shredders, throw one

You're wasting nade regen otherwise, and shredders are always at least mildly useful

[pulsar drift]

Of course not, I am a grenedier build which throw as much as possible

[merry oak]

The age of sail made the tomahawk popular

[pulsar drift]

I should just try it out

[merry oak]

Yea it's your build build it towards you

[mystic belfry]

Good sir, that is not a tomahawk

[pulsar drift]

Oh yea

It’s a god damn mistake that I deleted my old vet

[mystic belfry]

Ngl, I'll use an eviscerator

[pulsar drift]

Cuz I have to reroll power swords all over again

[mystic belfry]

But I fucking hate chain weapon thematiclaly

[pulsar drift]

Damn

[merry oak]

I know just saying it became popular in that time frame

[pulsar drift]

XD

[mystic belfry]

They're stupid, and also ugly, and don't even look functional

[gray stone]

can can i make this BiS?

[zealous wyvern]

no

[mystic belfry]

Nope

[zealous wyvern]

3 meh things

[pulsar drift]

No

[mystic belfry]

Grab surgical off of it

[pulsar drift]

Rip infested

[gray stone]

aight, ill get a god one eventually

cheers fellas

[merry oak]

It could work

But not BIS

Perks are gummed up

Personally I wouldint care much about perks

[gray stone]

surgical is BiS right? dunno any other good ones apart from onslaught

[zealous wyvern]

replace infested and sustained

yes

onslaught and surgical

maniac on the perk replacing infested

[merry oak]

Surgical and Onslaught are overall accepted BIS blessings

[zealous wyvern]

use it until you have a better one, then grab surgical from this

[merry oak]

Ye

It would work

[gray stone]

yeah, so close yet so far

[zealous wyvern]

just not best in slot

[merry oak]

But it could be better of hadron would let us blessings the damn thing 4 times

[gray stone]

fr, even 3 makes huge difference

2 we must make do

[south garnet]

man pubs are really getting to me today

was about to complain it's like taking care of children except I think I am actually taking care of children

[merry oak]

75% for a black libary book is a steal

[gray stone]

also is stability fine as a dumpstat for helbore or does it hurt?

[merry oak]

Meh

Yea

[terse idol]

for an mk1 yeah

I'd dump it

dump it for most if not all weapons

[merry oak]

I like the stability personally

[jade notch]

Hellbores are pretty stable in general, even if you're getting facepunched/shot

[mystic belfry]

I bought a self from a closing book store once

They were selling litterally everything

[merry oak]

Lol

[weary acorn]

if i'm using a hellbore las gun, do I need suppression immunity talent?

[crisp bronze]

I like stability on the Braced Autos a fair bit. It affects hip fire spread so it's pretty helpful there.

[wanton dawn]

Not really

[merry oak]

No

[wanton dawn]

Hb is stupid stable

[mystic belfry]

Shoulda hired some random reject from a prison cell

[weary acorn]

its because hellbore get suppression immunity naturally?

[placid portal]

Helbore so stable you dont realise you've shot 50 shots

No

[merry oak]

No

[placid portal]

Just rocksteady grip

[wanton dawn]

No, it is cuz it is barely a problem.

[weary acorn]

gotcha

[placid portal]

Lucius has no sway

A kriger do not falter under fire

[merry oak]

Even with automatic fire with macro it barely moves.

[weary acorn]

oh thats nice

[merry oak]

At all

[mystic belfry]

macro

smh

[weary acorn]

maybe i can take the point and put it into deadshot...

[wanton dawn]

I need a macro for hb special. It can be painful

Might have to write it myself

[merry oak]

I can deal with hb special

But not with sustained automatic fire

[crisp bronze]

I have found the one melee that can get me off of my Power Sword. The almighty shovel. The new Mk7 to be exact.

[merry oak]

Lore wise helbores don't have an automatic function

[mystic belfry]

I've said it before and I'll probably say it again

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet

[mystic belfry]

I've never seen so many players have issues with spam clicking than in this game

[jade notch]

Nah, don't need Determined on Hellbores.

I do use them on the Kantrael Infantry Lasguns though, those bounce around a fair bit under fire.

[wanton dawn]

Games are 20-30m on average of high intensity fps with little clic downtime

[mystic belfry]

Also, clicking has nothing to do with carpal tunnel. That's bad wrist posture putting weight on the wrong spot

[wanton dawn]

So yes, it is putting strain

[mystic belfry]

Until you get used to it

[wanton dawn]

On my case it is the reversz

I need to be more careful

[crisp bronze]

This game should add one of the best features from destiny 2 (I know but hear me out). It's simple. Have an accessability option that makes all guns full auto. Thats it.

[mystic belfry]

Eh

[wanton dawn]

Am not killing my hand for a game thats for sure. I dont give a damn about lore accuracy vs accessibility

[terse idol]

hmm

yeah

[merry oak]

I tired writing HB special macro, I might need to get another mouse mine doesn't have enough buttons

[mystic belfry]

Isn't their already a full auto mod anyways

[wanton dawn]

I am thinking of adjusting keepSwinging

[mystic belfry]

I know people have talked about it

[merry oak]

Not getting that mod

Mods break

My mouse doesn't

Relatively

[mystic belfry]

Well that's bullshit

[wanton dawn]

From what i could see, those mod are linked to action rather than butto press so no work with special

[merry oak]

Game updates too often for me to use mods

[wanton dawn]

Me and my 50+ mods

[mystic belfry]

I've never had downtime on my mods lol

You just run the patch again

[crisp bronze]

What about those on Xbox that can't get mods?

[merry oak]

I'm not a masochist like some yall

[mystic belfry]

Click fast

[wanton dawn]

They get crossplay disable

[mystic belfry]

Lmao, are you actually saying installing mods for this game is masochsm

It takes like 15 minutes from start to finish

hen you run a single file when the game updates

That's it

[merry oak]

Nope not breaking this game don't love it that much

[mystic belfry]

... breaking?

[south garnet]

I don't have any mods due to 1. laziness and 2. fear of the game becoming even more unstable than it already is

[idle carbon]

only a handful of mods generally break with each update, though that can vary
I think patch 14 broke like, 2 mods that I used

[merry oak]

Yea see

[mystic belfry]

You can just

Disable them if so

[merry oak]

Mhm not using mods

[idle carbon]

what's better is people check for you, the darktide modder discord lists broken mods in announcements
so no need to suffer yourself to find out

[mystic belfry]

My man out here thinking his mouse doesn't break and that installing mods is maso

[idle carbon]

numericUI and custom HUD are worth the hassle alone lol

[mystic belfry]

Now if we were talking Skyrim I would agree

The shit people do modding that game is insane

I know from experience

[crisp bronze]

Regardless of modding. Having a full auto option in the settings harms no one and only makes the game more accessable and gives some guns some quality of life. It should be a thing.

[idle carbon]

it saves me from getting carpal tunnel when I use a laspistol

[mystic belfry]

Doesn't really bother me if i exists, I wouldn't use it honestly

It's not carpel tunnel

Carpel tunny is bad arm/wrist posture

[idle carbon]

that's basically the only weapon I use it for

[mystic belfry]

Clicking fast is at worst muscle strain

[idle carbon]

in any case, I would like to not have finger/hand strain

[mystic belfry]

Completely different in cause and severity. Carpel tunnel is crushing a nerve in your wrist

You should never get that because it's when people are putting the wieght of their entire arm on their bent wrist all day and is completely prevetnable

[idle carbon]

alright doctor, anything else to add

[mystic belfry]

Finger strain from clicking fast is solved by just doing it, you build up the muscle and it's stops being a problem :v

if you do find your wrist being sore after playing. Try putting more weight on your forearm, and keep your wrist off the desk. It's a decently big deal tbh

[pearl granite]

what's max toughness possible on curio?

[pulsar drift]

17?

[jade notch]

17% Toughness is the best I got

[pulsar drift]

question

keep shred or not

Thinking change to blood letter

[devout atlas]

play it a couple games and see if you like it

a lot of ppl recommend savage

[versed merlin]

id swap unyielding perks if i were to use this mainly as horde clear

[dusty ferry]

Shred is eh
Personally check it out, you already got rampage which is good, others are up to hownthey go for you

[pulsar drift]

I see

[dusty ferry]

Personally I would take a Cleave increase blessing over Shred

[devout atlas]

unyielding with bloodletter is good

[pulsar drift]

I kinda wanna keep the unyielding

[versed merlin]

yeah it all depends on how you want to use it

[pulsar drift]

Cuz my build right now is not great with bosses

Sure

Thx

[versed merlin]

i like chain sword because its a very versatile melee weapon

[pulsar drift]

Yea I’ve been playing with power sword for too long

[versed merlin]

keep it like this, you still havent wasted your second change slot as it seems. play a little, if you feel like something is missing out, then you can use your 2nd change slot

[pulsar drift]

After getting sunder and pc4 together finally

[devout atlas]

Imho OG chsword is better on Vet. The new one is godmode on Zealot

[pulsar drift]

I think it’s about time to try something new

[devout atlas]

new chaxe fucks on weapon spec

[pulsar drift]

I have all slaughter, rampage, BM, sunder with PC4 powerswords

Guess let’s call it end

Alright chaxe, chainswords

[mystic belfry]

The new eviscerator is solid

[devout atlas]

mk3 shovel is also very fun and good rn on vet

[pulsar drift]

What about shovels

Btw I don’t like DC

[mystic belfry]

I still like the base shovel tbh

[pulsar drift]

For some reason I hate axes too

I feel like they’re too boring

Just left spam

: D kinda hot take

[mystic belfry]

Rashad is nice, the other two are iffy. Tac axes are okay but an acquired taste

[pulsar drift]

DC are good

[mystic belfry]

new chain axe is fine

[pulsar drift]

It’s just me don’t like them

[versed merlin]

oh rly??? i been in love with new shovel on weap spec so i havent tried that one yet. how is horde clear? thats the one thing i've been mostly worried about

[pulsar drift]

So probably tryout new chainaxe

Wat about the old one

[devout atlas]

I agree. Tax2 actually works well on Vet due to damage buffs easily getting you bruiser breakpoints

old one is only good on zealot imho

[pulsar drift]

So okay new chainaxe

What about the new two shovels

[inland orchid]

They fuck

Hard

[pulsar drift]

Good

[inland orchid]

[pulsar drift]

That’s what I want to hear

[bitter turtle]

i didnt think it was a problem on any gun excep patch 14 laspistol

alost made me install the mod

[devout atlas]

mk3 is like a heavy sword crossed with thunder hammer

[inland orchid]

Glad I could be informational

[bitter turtle]

if i actually bothered playing the weapon

[versed merlin]

that they do. that they do

[mystic belfry]

I was fine with the laspistol, but I get how that one in particular could be rough

[pulsar drift]

And recommendations for blessings for both new shovel and new chainaxe?

[inland orchid]

I got massive bias on chainaxes having bloodthirsty but there’s way cooler blessings out there lol

[torn needle]

What are the vets league starting?

[devout atlas]

can't comment on mk7 but mk3 you always want scrusher, then choice between decimator or uncanny. Carapace perk then your choice (just not Maniac, not necessary)

Chaxe you want Slaughterer and/or Headtaker. Thrust with Cara% and Ogryn talent let's you one tap Crushers.

[mystic belfry]

https://loginportal99.funnyjunk.com/hdgifs/Fascinated+quirky+swinging_899b03_11137719.mp4

This is what we're starting

[devout atlas]

mk3 is ultra versatile, works on any build. chaxe I'd only use on weapon spec

[wide anvil]

God I wish it was easier to get a Kantrael shotgun to roll Flechette, damned thing being limited as a T2 Blessing makes me sad

I love my meme Kantrael Flechette + Scattershot shotgun

[mystic belfry]

Silly goose, flechette is for Lawbringer :v

[wide anvil]

Nah imagine

Burn + Bleed in a single shot

xd

[devout atlas]

the burn is so bad on Kant it doesn't kill most hordes on full DOT while flechette let's it. It's such a finicky piece of shit though and LB is better while carrying more ammo

[mystic belfry]

Probably works honestly

[devout atlas]

Kant was so overrated for so long ngl

[mystic belfry]

Fire shells are just shoftening

I'd consider running weapon specialist and trade out scattershot tbh

[devout atlas]

I'd rather just outright kill them with LB

[wide anvil]

As I said

Meme Shotgun build

If you take it seriously it loses all its value

[devout atlas]

ik I've done it before

[mystic belfry]

Kantreal is better not because of altfire

it's mainfire

[rugged goblet]

SRS Guardian

[devout atlas]

it's fun until you see your end of game stats

[wide anvil]

I don't run Scoreboard

I can't be assed to look at stats

[devout atlas]

based

[wide anvil]

It's annoying as hell and honestly no one cares about the flex at the end of the day

[mystic belfry]

Lawbringer with man-stopper + flechette and weapon specialist is probably interesting

[devout atlas]

I just use it to judge the builds I run

[wide anvil]

All builds are good if you don't die

[mystic belfry]

I just like having a scoreboard to look at

[devout atlas]

nah

[mystic belfry]

Nope :)

[wide anvil]

No man look look

Not being dead = above 0 DPS

[devout atlas]

if that was the case Infiltrate Vet would be best

[mystic belfry]

Nope

[torn needle]

Hell yeah one person is playing

[mystic belfry]

Speedrun zealot

[versed merlin]

i use scoreboard more as a baseline for how effective i was killing stuff

its funny because

at the end of the day

[mystic belfry]

it's also cool to see my ranged crit rate with the new revolver :^)

[versed merlin]

no one kills more specials and elites more than the revolver guy in the team

[wide anvil]

I have no respect for speedrun Zealots, especially since I main Zealot myself

I always hope they get caught by a hound

[versed merlin]

i gave up on vraks headhunter because that shit takes way too long to pull and to aim

[mystic belfry]

be the hound, shoot a barrel when they run by one near an edge

[torn needle]

Why play revolver when plasma do trick

[mystic belfry]

Quickdraw

[terse idol]

@spare wolf

[versed merlin]

by the time i had my aim at the gunner, the revolver psyker already killed it

[mystic belfry]

Also I'm in love with fanfire :v

[torn needle]

This is me

[torn needle]

I'm the revolver psyker

[devout atlas]

Skirmisher Zealots are good, the difference is that they're usually within 50 meters while speedrun Zealots don't stop at that

[terse idol]

It didn't work!

[versed merlin]

i be that guy too when im with revolver and the other vet threw a krak grenade at the crusher

revolver is just absolutely nuts

cant see any other reason to run any other weapon

[torn needle]

If there's crushers I just smite

[mystic belfry]

I be like that with rashad/old revovler and weapon specialist

At litterally any momenet any elite/special on the screen can get smoked in .2 of a second

[versed merlin]

i was running that same thing until i came with the new shovel

[mystic belfry]

I swapped to the new revolver

[torn needle]

But since they fixed true aim and smite I decided to level a vet instead

[sly haven]

does anyone know how the sustained fire perk actually works

[mystic belfry]

Not because it's better (it's not.) but because

[torn needle]

Now power sword is my new best friend

[mystic belfry]

Fanfire based

[devout atlas]

Crushers make me less nervous than ragers even post nerf. If you have any cara damage they're a joke

[mystic belfry]

PS6 is like mainlining the emporer's crack

[sly haven]

crusher tracking on their overhead is stupid long lasting

[versed merlin]

im that power sword nerd hater guy that will always scream at you "no you cant have fun playing pswords you should try other melee weapons as well. shovel is so based" but the truth is i cant afford a pc3 or 4

[mystic belfry]

Don't even need much carapace damage to handle crushers

[sly haven]

they can do a full 360 on a zealot doding around them

[devout atlas]

just stagger them

[sly haven]

thats the neat part

[mystic belfry]

I have a lot of weapons I like a lot tbh

[devout atlas]

shredders go brr

[torn needle]

#veteran-class message

[sly haven]

they can stagger immune after you stagger once

[mystic belfry]

But if I want to kill everything and hard carry a match, my PS6 + Laspistol build comes out

Bosses, crushers, mixed hordes, 30 gunners

Doesn't matter they dead

[versed merlin]

laspistol based. but why laspistol over revolver?

[mystic belfry]

Don't need it with PS6

[devout atlas]

if they aren't dead by then then you deserve a rebar club to the face

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol is better for gunners/shooters/shotgunners

PS6 kills anything in arms reach easily

[sly haven]

what a shit ass take, you can shut up lol

[torn needle]

Why not... Plasma

[versed merlin]

oh makes sense then why you run it instead and with power sword

[torn needle]

[versed merlin]

bc its faster to just kill stuff in melee

[mystic belfry]

Because if I have a PS6, it's in my hands for 90% of the match, and las pistol will draw and start spam hipfiring accurate to the head almost intantly.

[devout atlas]

??? chill bro go back to zealot chat with that attitude

[torn needle]

For long range

[mystic belfry]

Plasma has to charge.

[versed merlin]

unless its a ranged guy that's sitting on the other side, then he laspistol it

and plasma takes forever to shoot and reload o god

[mystic belfry]

Nah, Plasma is very good

[sly haven]

bruh look at what you just said to me, my response is pretty normal

[mystic belfry]

it's just not the PS6 try hard build

[versed merlin]

o no im not saying its bad

on the contrary

but its very slow imo

[mystic belfry]

PS6/Old laspistol is my golden combo

[torn needle]

Plasma shots feel fast to me, I one shot hs all specials and most elites

[austere mica]

Plasma has enough magazine that if you have to reload during a fight than shit is fucked

[torn needle]

Plus it knocks down crushers

[mystic belfry]

it's slower to swap to plasma to smoke gunners than it is to swap to las pistol an smoke them

if it's armored I'm going to melee it

And I have Krak specifically and only for bulwurks

[austere mica]

Also the blowthrough allows you to shoot straight through crowds

[versed merlin]

it happens pretty often to me during auric and im mainly the only one able to handle both crushers/maulers and gunners

[mystic belfry]

Again, plasma is good, and I have builds that use it

But not the tryhard PS6 build

[torn needle]

Crushers and maulers die to ps6 easy

[mystic belfry]

Extremely easy

[sly haven]

how exactly does sustained fire work on an autogun

[mystic belfry]

A crusher horde is free

[austere mica]

I run opposite ends of the technological spectrum on my main vet build

[mystic belfry]

Fire bursts

[south garnet]

whereas my psyker is just on the spectrum

[mystic belfry]

PS6 isn't my main build at this point. It's just my sweatest most effective build

[torn needle]

A like plasma because it's really nice long range damage, no fall off, can go through light cover, high cc, and can punch through a whole horde to hit any elite or special. Plus it basically has infinite ammo and mag size to me

[jade notch]

Weapon Specialist Build with PS6 and (Old or New?) Laspistol?

Maybe I should give that a shot.

[mystic belfry]

Plasma is a prime choice for a support build imo

[mystic belfry]

old

[torn needle]

Support is my shit

I love smite dome psyker

[gaunt hinge]

It has falloff doesn't it

[mystic belfry]

Flat shield > dome shield

[torn needle]

I disagree but flat is still good

[mystic belfry]

Doesn't matter

[gaunt hinge]

It might

[versed merlin]

as a non psyker player, i dare to say thats a hot take

[jade notch]

Now's about as good a time to pick it up for me then, since I main Exec Stance/MF Keystone.

Might as well see how I can make Weapon Specialist work for me.

[mystic belfry]

Flat is harder to use right, but it's better

[jade notch]

Flat Shield being able to stop Hounds/Muties and block Trapper nets makes it really useful in Damnation and above.

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, and it stays up longer on average

[jade notch]

Dome Shield is handy for Shooter squads, admittedly.

[austere mica]

I still need all of the bits for my bayonet build, had a perfect axe pass me by because i was too poor for it

[torn needle]

Dome isn't better because of the numbers, it's better because it mind games the team into staying together. It's both the selfless AND selfish play for all players to get in the dome

[mystic belfry]

it's not catching every bullet coming in your vague direction

And you can place two

[bitter turtle]

not a hot take at all

[torn needle]

It's genius design

[bitter turtle]

why do you even need dome

are gunners regularly shooting you from 360 degree

if so

then mistakes are made

[mystic belfry]

I did say flat shields are harder to use, yeah :v

[versed merlin]

because sometimes shit hits the fan and the group is either scattered or surrounded mid horde

[bitter turtle]

hordes dont have guns

[mystic belfry]

Shield one side handle the other

[bitter turtle]

so why do you need the shield to be on all sides

[mystic belfry]

You don't

[sly haven]

thoughts on this roll

[bitter turtle]

just put it on the side

the gunners are at

!!!

[torn needle]

Dome drags the speed zealots back to the group with the sweet sweet temptation of toughness regen and no ranged pressure

[mystic belfry]

replace sustained fire and reload speed

[sly haven]

with what

[versed merlin]

its not like i have a psyker on my team every match and all of them have a shield you know

[mystic belfry]

use until you get a better stat roll

[versed merlin]

but im saying that i prefer the dome over the wall

[sly haven]

whats wrong with sustained fire

[versed merlin]

but most psykers that i get dont even have any of those

idc but i prefer the dome over the wall

[mystic belfry]

flak and dumdum

[torn needle]

Well you can't fuck up dome, you just put it down

[mystic belfry]

Sustained fire is just not that great

[sly haven]

how does it affect auto guns, do i have to burst the thing with it?

[mystic belfry]

4 round bursts are not generally your play, and if a four round burst it's only adding an average of 10% damage

[versed merlin]

either i never realized how effective the wall is or i have never witnessed a good wall then

[mystic belfry]

yes you would have to burst

with pauses

You can't tapfire it

You also really want dumdum

[marble lintel]

I just noticed this guard is different than the others in the psykanium

[austere mica]

You say that and yet my stupidity is so astronomical that i forget that is doesn’t auto center on the caster, an accidentally throw it like 10 feet off

[mystic belfry]

You can fuck up dome

by using dome :v

it takes more damage and goes down faster

[sly haven]

i'm not having really any success getting a dumdum 4

[bitter turtle]

was about to say

[torn needle]

Dome is dome, as long as it's down you're kinda fine

[sly haven]

i only have dumdum 3

[bitter turtle]

the fuck up is giving up a free charge on your skill

not to mention stunning specials

[mystic belfry]

Unless you drop dome against a squad of gunners and it drops in 2.5 seconds

[torn needle]

Take out any active gunners and reapers asap and it'll last just fine

[bitter turtle]

if you could kill the gunners and reapers that fast

then why even have anything at all

[mystic belfry]

The other does that but also lasts longer

[versed merlin]

o wait it has a health bar?

[mystic belfry]

yes

[bitter turtle]

just kill everything xd

[versed merlin]

o frick

[mystic belfry]

idr the values. But dome has a longer base duration but flat has a higher hp

It's also smaller

So when it matters flat lasts longer, and you get two charges

Also blocks specials which is >>> toughness regen

[bitter turtle]

mutie trains vs wall is funny

[torn needle]

The best part about dome is it pulls the team together in coherency, gives toughness regen, and stops chip damage from straggler shooters

[mystic belfry]

It's like watching a bird fly into a glass door

[versed merlin]

the part where it brings the team together is actually absurdly true

thats something that always happens

[mystic belfry]

if they don't want to stay in cohenerency, they can die :v

[versed merlin]

whenever a dome is launched, everyone reappers together

[torn needle]

It's magical right??

[versed merlin]

ikr

[torn needle]

This is what lowers win rates

[bitter turtle]

if the main argument in favor of dome is "my teammates are dumb"

i gotta say im not very impressed

[sleek cairn]

oo vet chat is here

[mystic belfry]

If they can't stay in coherency the win rate was already lower shields or no

[torn needle]

Dome smite takes like 80% of the difficulty out of the game by encouraging basic team play and removing most threat from all enemies

[mystic belfry]

Besdies, flat walls can be pretty ambivalent to specific team placement when put in good spots

[bitter turtle]

the toughness regen is pretty whatever compared to specialist stunning and extra charge anyway

[torn needle]

The vast majority of players aren't that good

[bitter turtle]

this is what I mean

when are you being shot at in 360 degrees

[little path]

Is there any build that makes the shotguns good?

[bitter turtle]

that a single wall wont cover anyway

99% of the firefights in this game are one side pew pew other side

[mystic belfry]

yep

[little path]

what's the build

[mystic belfry]

Nothing, because shotguns are already good :v

[sleek cairn]

@gusty bison u here man? note: somebody wants ur shotgun build

[mystic belfry]

What ult do you like to run?

[torn needle]

The problem is, when you can put it in a good spot, ie a choke, that's already the best possible position for your team to be in. There's no point in strengthening it because if you can't win in a choke, you can't win anything else

[little path]

execution

because my rando teammates cannot and willnot deal with gunners in a timely manner

[bitter turtle]

the wall is not so tiny that it can only be used in a choke

[torn needle]

Not necessarily, but it's not big either

[sleek cairn]

is this reeeally vet channel

[little path]

bro I dunno

[bitter turtle]

idk what to say, its big enough the majority of the time lul

[little path]

It can barely kill flak

[torn needle]

No

[mystic belfry]

Hold up I'm making one

[bitter turtle]

ive almost never played with a psyker using wall and went

"wow I wish it could just be bigger"

[little path]

Dome is useful for actually making some forward progress

you can have an area to move forward entirely safely in

[bitter turtle]

if you are just trying to move forward

why not just use 2 walls

dome only advantage is that it protects behind

[little path]

Because you still get less coverage

[sleek cairn]

are psykers usually this divided

[torn needle]

It's still less coverage yes

[versed merlin]

these arguments wont lead to anything

[little path]

you also get toughness regen bonus

[whole moon]

I love dome but dont use it, its a really nice skill to buy a little space. I run Shriek myself tho, like it w BB and Purg

[torn needle]

I like CIRCLE REEEE

[bitter turtle]

you guys act like this game is an open field map design lol

[sleek cairn]

i mean, in vet chat, nobody gives a shit which gun u bring lol

[bitter turtle]

99% of the game is you moving forward

in urban level designs

[little path]

it's not always open field

but my teamates can and will run into the open

[bitter turtle]

again

[little path]

and get shot by every gunner and sniper

[bitter turtle]

"my teammates are dumbasses" being the #1 arguemnt in favor of dome so far is very not cinvincing

[torn needle]

Dome helps the peepo players by holding the team together which is more valuable than wall

[little path]

doesn't need to convince you

[bitter turtle]

they will run out and get shot to death eventually regardless anyway

[versed merlin]

no, jun, you're just upset that some people prefer dome over wall. who cares. like i said, there's not a psyker in every team and not every of them run either walls anyways. most psykers i see in auric uses an ability that i dont even know what it does

[bitter turtle]

if they are bad

[torn needle]

It still results in a higher win rate imo, and results are results

[zealous wyvern]

disagree. that is a great argument

[whole moon]

maps where you have to stay near a data skull really benefit from dome

[little path]

point is to have some more coverage in every area

[bitter turtle]

wtf is this upset shit

can i not debate lol

[little path]

same reason I don't build say like

[versed merlin]

you seem aggressive with most of your arguments

[bitter turtle]

you're imagining it

[little path]

laspistol and knife

[bitter turtle]

unless i need to say "in my opinion" in front of every statement or something

[little path]

because then I don't have carapace damage

[sleek cairn]

well in MY opinion, this is #veteran-class

[torn needle]

No one is upset here, this is a jolly place!!!

[bitter turtle]

in my opinion shovels are for digging poop

[sleek cairn]

might not even be an opinion lol hmm

[torn needle]

Shovel is for burying the heretics after you kill them with it first

[whole moon]

If my opponents have literal shit for brains does that count?

[bitter turtle]

you cant hit your teammates with the shovel so no

[little path]

what happens when 5 crushers run at you though

[mystic belfry]

slug stagger heavy rashad

[torn needle]

Bonk them with axe

[bitter turtle]

consdiering both weapons can deal with carapace

im not sure what you mean by that

he even has frags to knock them down

[sleek cairn]

oh my god u are the best

say more rashad things to me

[little path]

the apgrapiina doesn't do much carapace damage

even the slug doesn't do much

Also that was my next question

why the agrapina

[torn needle]

As long as it staggers that's all you need to get the bonk stick out

[mystic belfry]

Unarmored damage one-shots the helmetless armored trash guys

With lets you use BM on them without headtaker stacks

[sleek cairn]

yes yessss.

also the speed of its heavies

and what can't it stagger.

nothing

[sly haven]

i hope weapon customization will trully be added at some point

[mystic belfry]

Hence agripna

[little path]

so the agrapina specifically for the slug?

[sly haven]

is columnus V still the best of the iag?

[sleek cairn]

yup

that's about that, no need for reasons

[little path]

what about more long range damage?

[sleek cairn]

however if u want to use it, best u go to psyker channel

[devout atlas]

Debatable.

[sleek cairn]

alright what he said then. Debatable. i retract my case

[torn needle]

Psyker toothpick is just as strong as a powered up power sword, big funny

[bitter turtle]

pretty sure it does the most dmg still at least

but its always been a tradeoff of recoil/accuracy at long ranges vs damage

[sleek cairn]

well bill cosby said columnus is not the best IAG

[vague lintel]

what are the differences between the mk7 and mk3 shovel? they seem kinda similar to me

[sleek cairn]

that means the graia or agri might be the best

who knows, it's a toss up now

by process of elimination

[whole moon]

someone w a name like that may be just looking for argument

[little path]

I'm pretty sure columnus has like

highest overall dps?

[sly haven]

i still lean col v but hapopy to see if the other iags are good or better

[sleek cairn]

he's not wrong though, you can debate it. dunno if u'll win the debate

but you CAN debate lol

[little path]

but just lacks the more ranged damage

[mystic belfry]

here's a more colorful build

[frank ledge]

Just run hh

[mystic belfry]

Personally I'd swap to shout for this one though.

[little path]

okay um

[frank ledge]

All of the hh deniers on their way to explain that landing headshots hard

[little path]

I guess the question about shotguns for me would be

[frank ledge]

[little path]

is there a reason to use them over an IAG

or a lasgun?

[sleek cairn]

interesting, u didnt take the ammo reserve reload node

[frank ledge]

Pull out speed

[mystic belfry]

Which IAG

[sleek cairn]

what is the reasoning for that one

[little path]

any braced or IAG

[mystic belfry]

Mostly using special loads for anti-horde/mixed horde anyways

[flint garden]

just use revolver

[sleek cairn]

oh shit yeah that lawbringer hits like 40 guys

i get it

[mystic belfry]

And you get more cleave on crit

[frank ledge]

Shotguns are extremely fast to pull out, agripina deals more armor damage with special shot and kantrael has decent fire stacking for bosses

[mystic belfry]

And crit bleeds

[little path]

Wouldn't I just melee hordes?

[mystic belfry]

Both, for that build

Alternate

[compact briar]

which kantrael infantry is best for marksman shootery

[little path]

the lasguns?

[compact briar]

yea

[mystic belfry]

Not the lowest damage one

Either of the other two

[compact briar]

i been playing with the hellbore 2 but im not loving it

cause its slow pull out

[sleek cairn]

I believe the lawbringer is special tho. that shot... hits so many units.

it's awesome

[mystic belfry]

it's kinda like a taste of old duckbill saltz

[little path]

The mk 12 is highest damgae

BUT

lowest overall dps

the other two have higher dps

enough to be noticable

[solemn galleon]

what is best vet melee weapon rn?

[little path]

buuuut then again it's still your choice

[mystic belfry]

ps6

[sleek cairn]

dunno about best, but ppl can list several

good shit all around

[bitter turtle]

spam bayonet as your melee

only swap to push

might help

[whole moon]

Im enjoying a Powersword/Plasma combo myself

[bitter turtle]

lul

[solemn galleon]

ps6/plasma?

[mystic belfry]

I'd run las pistol or revolver with ps6 myself

Plasma is fine though

[whole moon]

may switch to shovel tho, just no beating the ps6 right now tho

[little path]

I don't like running the last pistols or recon lasguns

[mystic belfry]

I run plasma with old shovel on my support build usually

[little path]

sure they work

[whole moon]

just fancy a change

[bitter turtle]

you shouldn't like running the recon

its shit

[sleek cairn]

plus there's also personal skill to factor in. if u're really good with a shovel, that might be better for u lol

[mystic belfry]

Doesn't like laspistol
We're enemies now

[sleek cairn]

and shovel is a really good wep

[compact briar]

but i love my ps6

[little path]

laspistols and reconds are basically the same

they both just build for infernus crit

[mystic belfry]

PS6 is the best overall melee hands down. But that doesn't mean it's always the correct weapon for your needs in X build

[bitter turtle]

yeah but you dont need to pull it out for every schmuck running up to you right

[mystic belfry]

With Plasma, you mostly want to stay save and have anti-horde

[bitter turtle]

just for the big ones and hordes

[mystic belfry]

i.e. shovel.

PS6 can fill that roll too, but shovel specializes in it

[little path]

PS also gives carapace damage though

incase you're out of kraks

[mystic belfry]

PS6 does everything.

[sleek cairn]

yup

[frank ledge]

when in doubt
old shovel

[whole moon]

recons are terrible for ammo use right now, to function they (at least to me) appear to consume almost every ammo pack to keep going, almost every other ranged weapon for every class has a better resource/kill ratio

[mystic belfry]

Also were were just talking about plasma

You can just plasma crushers

[sleek cairn]

again, i dont want to funnel every player towards ps6, i'd prefer they experiment all of them

[mystic belfry]

Run smoke or shredder with plasma

[mystic belfry]

I agree. But if someone asks what the best is, thats the answer

[versed merlin]

hmmm do i buy this?

[little path]

The devs need to make the PS work less well against hordes

[whole moon]

i definitely wouldnt recommend a ps to a new player, their mats are too valuable, much better option is a chainsword. almost as good

[mystic belfry]

Yes.

[sleek cairn]

it's true, the braindead ways make it good for beginners

[mystic belfry]

I wouldn't call ps6 braindead

[sleek cairn]

i know a guy who can only play devil claw lol

[solemn galleon]

wht are best perks for ps6?

[versed merlin]

pls tell me

[solemn galleon]

*blessings

and perks i guess

[versed merlin]

ahh thought i read way

[whole moon]

for me, more to the point is I dont care if it is braindead, play the game however you enjoy

[sleek cairn]

pardon me? ur a devil claw enthusiast?

[tardy turtle]

Brutal and Cycler

[versed merlin]

trying to

[solemn galleon]

excellent thanks y'all

[sleek cairn]

aha try ps6, if it doesnt suit u, practice ur devil claw

[mystic belfry]

Devil claw 4 is a very solid weapon

[sleek cairn]

yup

[brisk sapphire]

Claw felt competitive when rampage was OP

[versed merlin]

emphasis at the trying

[mystic belfry]

it still is

[sleek cairn]

its great

[tardy turtle]

Then stack weak spot damage for perk

[whole moon]

they nerfed the claws parry vs crusher overhead didnt they?

[mystic belfry]

I've tanked two bosses in melee at the same time with a claw sword before

[versed merlin]

idk about the 4, but i got a really good one with good rolls and perks, so decided to give it a try its solid for hordes, but feels awful for mixed hordes

[mystic belfry]

4 is needed for heavy 1

[sleek cairn]

@versed merlin seriously if u have an interest in mastering devil claw, keep at it.

[mystic belfry]

You really really want that strikedown

[versed merlin]

ohh ok

[sleek cairn]

there are really good players who swear by devil claw only

[mystic belfry]

it turns clawsword from an okay parry meme to a great weapon

[versed merlin]

the parry feels good, but whenever i parry a rager during horde, i somehow lose half my toughness

[mystic belfry]

Part of the problem with claw vs. armor/ragers is that if you're waiting to get attacked, or they're not attacking you

your dps goes in the bin and kills are slow

heavy 1 gives access to decent single target damage, and be weaved in between parries

And you still have light spam, or light/heavy 2 mix ups for horde clear

[solemn galleon]

best perks/blessings for plasma?

[versed merlin]

also, outside of hordes, they dont really feel like a option for single targets that arent ragers. could be just me, but dmg felt really lacking

[sleek cairn]

u must heavy down or parry

no way around it, devil claw is built this way

[mystic belfry]

Gets Hot! with Blaze Away or Gloryhunter

[whole moon]

I never got round to getting to grips w the Claw, Ive got a Mk IV that TinyCrab recommended before they left. I must make an effort but so much to do and play with lol

[versed merlin]

this is the one i've got

[sleek cairn]

tinycrab left?

the angry one

[whole moon]

yeah, a while ago now 😦

[mystic belfry]

Maniac with Elite, Unyielding, or Carapace

[sleek cairn]

shame, i liked his funny content

[frank ledge]

[whole moon]

same

[sleek cairn]

why'd he leave

the chat was too much?

[solemn galleon]

gracias

[whole moon]

no idea, just one day was gone, left server n everything

[sleek cairn]

probably having fun elsewhere. that's fine

[frank ledge]

I miss Darcy too

[mystic belfry]

You want one of these

[whole moon]

shame as they were really knowlegable on all things vet too, especially DClaws

[sleek cairn]

dclaw is so so good still

[mystic belfry]

The big thing with parry is that you need to be aware of where the counter attack travels

[whole moon]

Darcy got booted by mods, best not to dwell on that tho

[mystic belfry]

Look up and to the right to headshot ragers for example

[sleek cairn]

suguyama, do u run rightside tree

[versed merlin]

whats the difference between shred and sw?

actually

no

[mystic belfry]

Sweep is usually better unless you have a specific use for crits

[versed merlin]

not with dclaw

a okok

[sleek cairn]

just wondering if u ran any rending/brittle

could help u while u train

[torn needle]

No keystone vets rise up

[sleek cairn]

i can't help u, im not a dclaw user; but real recognises real.

[versed merlin]

hmm maybe i can try a shotgun/dclaw weap spec

[sleek cairn]

any of the top tier melee weps, u can probably solo carry ur runs ez

[versed merlin]

there's no way to not like weap spec once you try them really

[mystic belfry]

My secret build I'm working on atm is claw 4 + fanfire revolver

[torn needle]

I don't like it, feels too conditional and isn't necessary

[zealous wyvern]

cute

[sleek cairn]

share that sometime, i'd like a new take

[terse idol]

well the condition isn't that crazy when you kinda take a look

10 kills on melee

1 kill on range

[sleek cairn]

make that secret build not so secret

[mystic belfry]

I can give you want I'm using right now but it's still being tinkered with

[terse idol]

Will give you the buffs

[versed merlin]

pls ping me if you ever finish it, will love to see it

[bitter turtle]

killing 1 enemy is really not conditional

[terse idol]

also yeah

[bitter turtle]

the melee speed is the best part

[versed merlin]

yeah 1 buff is already enough

[sleek cairn]

lol yeah i literally kill any ol thing and i have speedhax

[torn needle]

I run plasma so the extra fire speed does nothing and the crit is eh, the extra melee speed is decent but by the time I take out plasma and shoot to get a kill, I could have just slashed a few more times with ps6 and cleared up even more enemies

[versed merlin]

absolutely, the atk speed is hot damn crazy

oh try it with revolver

its crazy good

[torn needle]

I horde control just fine with ps6 without the buff so it feels unnecessary

Yeah with revolver I can see it being amazing

[sleek cairn]

i think revolver and plasma can use specialist best

[torn needle]

Like true aim on psyker

[bitter turtle]

plasma takes out and shoots pretty fast

[sleek cairn]

Revolver is god tier on rightside

[bitter turtle]

it works well with specialist as well

reload is the slow part on plasma

which specialist also helps with

[sleek cairn]

it helps negate the reload atleast

yeah

[torn needle]

It does, but I'd rather take long shot for one point instead to get much higher base damage and hit more breakpoints

[sleek cairn]

2nd place to plasma for rightside tree

[terse idol]

I will say, I do think it might be overkill if you're using it to fish crits

Isss the goal, to one shot crushers with a left click headshot?

[sleek cairn]

2 shot

im not sure what ur sacrificing to 1 shot

if it's VoC

dont sacrifice it

[versed merlin]

wait with plasma or revolver?

[frank ledge]

ik

[torn needle]

Ps6 already has amazing horde control and clear with the 10% you get before it, the 15% feels like overkill to me and if it's very high pressure taking out the plasma just isn't the right play sometimes

[pulsar drift]

Both greats

[torn needle]

It's a great keystone though, just not for me

[pulsar drift]

Plasma gun is never need to reload

Revolver is faster

[torn needle]

Plus imo the points after the keystone are very underwhelming, possible a lukewarm take

[pulsar drift]

Yup

[sleek cairn]

the 1 point into the reserve ammo reload is important tho

thats about it

[pulsar drift]

That’s the only modifier rly needed

[sleek cairn]

but that alone makes me never leave the keystone LOL

it's that important to me

[versed merlin]

i agree with that, but they can be benefitial for certain situations

[sleek cairn]

that i can unbind R.

[torn needle]

Useless on plasma for me because I only reload like 4-5 times in a game anyway

Reload during the transition door scans and that's it

[versed merlin]

but i dont run any of them tho, if i had to, id take 2 only for the extra toughness whenever you swap weapons, but that might be an overkill

[sleek cairn]

@torn needle well that's the thing, ppl taking rightside tree arent too conscious about their gun.

They play vet to melee, the gun is just a way to supplement.

[torn needle]

I take right and left

But yeah I get that it's super convenient

[mystic belfry]

That's my current setup

[sleek cairn]

its just weapon specialist is very good for those of us using melee for the majority

[torn needle]

The best keystone, the mark one, is on the crappiest line imo

[torn needle]

I use melee for the majority and I still don't like it

[sleek cairn]

the line with iron will n rending and such?

[torn needle]

I stop at the 50% toughness damage reduction node

[sleek cairn]

but u said u like the marking

[mystic belfry]

I'm also trying this a bit

[versed merlin]

wait are crushers considered elite? or are they specials?

[mystic belfry]

Elite

[bitter turtle]

elites

specials are the ones that have sound cues

[versed merlin]

actually, what are considered elites and specials in this game?

ahh

arent they disablers?

[torn needle]

I do but it's not worth the investment into meh nodes

[bitter turtle]

elites = normal enemy movesets, usually spawn on the map from the start

[versed merlin]

or are disablers the same as specials?

[bitter turtle]

specials = spawned by the director with sound cues (except sniper which has no sound cue)

[mystic belfry]

The above builds have astronimcal crit rate of fanfire revolver btw

[sleek cairn]

then u go left instead? im just wondering how ur tree goes

[mystic belfry]

Like actually insane

[sleek cairn]

im imagining a crab

left pincer, right pincer

crabby

[bitter turtle]

all disablers are specials

not all specials are disablers

[torn needle]

What's the site to build a tree?

[bitter turtle]

unless you count "killing you" as disabling

which I guess snipers and bombers and flamers do

[sleek cairn]

its ok u dont have to show me bluggy, im just making conversation

[torn needle]

I don't have the game open rn

[versed merlin]

ahhhhh okok thamk

[torn needle]

It looks like a little pincer yeah

[flint garden]

specialists are all grouped next to each other in the pskyarium

[solar bone]

Anyone know exactly how crucian roullet works? Is it just flat 6% crit per missing bullet or is it percent based on mag size? Cause if its 6% per missing bullets that seems very strong on some guns and weaker on others

[mystic belfry]

The big thing thise boss does is frontline against mixed hordes and kill bosses very very well

You can just pick up demonhosts and throw them in the trash can

[sleek cairn]

im guessing u stop at Iron Will, skip 10% rending/ogryn/monstrosity and take Precision for 30% weak spot and the 25% ammo after it?

[versed merlin]

wait so if you hit the +15 elite and +20 ogryn can you reach new breakpoints on a crusher with regular shots plasma gun?

[mystic belfry]

yes

[versed merlin]

o shit

i should take those then

[mystic belfry]

Maybe

[topaz lance]

Almost exactly what I am running (but with the rashad axe and old revolver). Been thinking about getting rid of the realod speed keystone mod and picking d&d or the stam mod instead.

[sleek cairn]

My man

a legend

this guy right here, im adding u

which region are u in @topaz lance

[versed merlin]

man rashad axe is great, but i made the mistake of running it with inexorable zealot and now i cant play it on vet without all that attack speed

[bitter turtle]

i find the reload speed one a little redundant since teh whole point of reserve is to NOT reload

[versed merlin]

used to be my fav weapon

[bitter turtle]

but i can see the point at least

[torn needle]

Here ya go

[bitter turtle]

sometimes you need to shoot more than 1 bullet

lul

[sleek cairn]

heey no keystone yeah!

u seem to really like ur ammo

nothing wrong with that

[topaz lance]

EU

[versed merlin]

krak grenade

[sleek cairn]

aw dire, i cannot be with u.

[torn needle]

I like KRAK

[astral blade]

Question does it feel like that the professional veteran personality is the most “normal” out of all the human personalities?

[torn needle]

I never seem to run out yeah

[topaz lance]

ah, sad!

[mystic belfry]

But yeah, rough draw out of Fanfire crit chance:

If you just drew the revolver, it has 100% crit on the first shot from Weapon Specialist.

Base crit is 5%, 21% from 80 critical bonus on the gun, and 25% from deadshot.

First shot from a load if you didn't just draw it gets +10% from Opening Salvo.

Roulette is +6% per missing shot, so between 6-24% crit

You crit more often than you don't even without weapon specialist

[torn needle]

Krak feels like the strongest nade to me, frags always felt weak

[sleek cairn]

its interesting u'd choose to use fanfire on a keystone that only affects first shot

[mystic belfry]

And weirdly, your lowest crit chance shot is the second round from your gun. because opening salvo gives +10%

[whole moon]

I think it depends on your build focus. I like having more anticrusher options

[astral blade]

Frag nade is made for hordes

[mystic belfry]

krak is my least favorite vet nade

[sleek cairn]

smoke is my fav!

im always coughing

[mystic belfry]

if i run krak, it's specifically for bulwurks

[bitter turtle]

frags are straight up the best ever since they buffed horde density

[whole moon]

I use Krak and double nades just in case of a crusher pack and the Omissiah smiles

[astral blade]

For me I always run frags

[sleek cairn]

double nades let's troll lol

[torn needle]

Don't need frags when ps6 turns hordes into dopamine

[whole moon]

the 'homing' helps

[whole moon]

ikr, here it comes... I can feel it

[sleek cairn]

im glad the chat vouches for all 3 nades.

it's just neat

[astral blade]

Eh not everyone uses the ps6

[torn needle]

The denser the horde the more power sword dopamine

[sleek cairn]

when i use kraks, its because i have tinker and i really need some bossing done

[bitter turtle]

im talking about when they spawn in 20 ragers

and ya

[sleek cairn]

its not for crushers

[bitter turtle]

i only really ever liked krak for monstro stun

[mystic belfry]

Also, having 50% Reload speed on fanfire is fun

[bitter turtle]

makes them stand still for like 10 seconds

[torn needle]

I like krak because they stumble bosses which is really cheese

[bitter turtle]

but monstros are whatever nowadays

[sleek cairn]

interesting enough even smoke n frag can stun

a boss i mean

[mystic belfry]

Krak has one good use

Bulwurks

[astral blade]

Frags for horse control Chainsword for abit of everything and my col IGA for high priority targets

[sleek cairn]

i do it all the time, i throw a smoke and the boss is like "oh no, i have asthma"

it stumbles

[mystic belfry]

That's it the only reason I run krak on some builds

[sleek cairn]

coughing.

[torn needle]

Frags stumble monsters?

[astral blade]

Aka specials/eiltes/monstrosities

[mystic belfry]

Frag does stumble bosses

[torn needle]

I'll have to check it out then

[astral blade]

Seriously those does the professional vet personality seem the most “normal”??

[terse idol]

He's like the textbook Vet type

[topaz lance]

I had a game yesterday with a smoke nade vet who knew what they were doing. Was actually impressed by the usefulness.
If they buff them a little they would be in a good spot imo.

[terse idol]

Loose Canon is like coping by being a jerk
Cadian is...

He's Cadian

He's seen action

[topaz lance]

He's kind of a dick though. I prefer Loose Cannon.

[torn needle]

Frag saves one point so I could technically run weapon specialist keystone

[astral blade]

How the professional a dick?

[sleek cairn]

to be honest, we run smokes to have fun and save on tax nodes to the 10% melee/agile engagement thing. if we could run frags all the way on left side, we would.

[topaz lance]

Particularly when helping someone up, he calls them useless etc.

[mystic belfry]

I run smokes to lock down gunner swarms

[sleek cairn]

or u could just. shoot ur plasma, i know u would

[terse idol]

It's like friendly banter to be fair

[mystic belfry]

You can do both

[bitter turtle]

ThIs WuNz FeR CaDiA

[sleek cairn]

now THAT i can get behind

[bitter turtle]

DAE CADIA

[sleek cairn]

smoke them and shoot them. die!

[torn needle]

Cadia vet is the best

[mystic belfry]

You can also throw a smoke and go kill them in melee

[terse idol]

"SEVAH DAH 'EAD, THE BODI DIES"

[topaz lance]

Cadian is the new elf, change my mind.

[astral blade]

Ahhh that I mean if you got downed and you’re allies were fucking about

[torn needle]

IF YOU CAN BREATH, YOU CAN KILL

[astral blade]

You wouldn’t wanna die now would you

[sleek cairn]

i just like the Ai chaos when u smoke them

making my teammates miss is a glorious feat

gunner zig zagging

[gray belfry]

me earlier today 'please dont brick this hadron'
hadron : bet

[astral blade]

Man desperately tryna get his teammates to get him back on his feet

[gray belfry]

it aint looking good cowboys

[mystic belfry]

Tell them to stop having a skill issue, and press the tag button for once in their lives

[torn needle]

[sleek cairn]

hey its not just that

dogs dont pounce u in smoke

flamers dont flame me

[mystic belfry]

Pro revive strat is to under hand and nade then immediatly shout