veteran-class

[stiff moon]

Does anyone know what the best blessings for the columnus mk V are?

[tiny summit]

Getting +30k dmg on monstrosities off charging them with the bayonet

[tiny summit]

You want dumdum

[lofty lintel]

fire frenzy and dum dum

[stiff moon]

Alright thanks guys

[terse idol]

Deathspitter dum dum

[terse idol]

Is fire frenzy that good?

[lofty lintel]

its pretty good yeah

[tiny summit]

Pretty much dumdum as a staple. And then up to you on the 2nd

[terse idol]

Like I thought Deathspitter would be better because of consistency

[lofty lintel]

it doesnt have to be 2 dmg blessings youre fine with dum dum

[terse idol]

Shooting a boss, you're not killing anyone you're still getting the damage buff

[gleaming turtle]

So, is the trick to dealing with Ragers with the new Chain Axe to just do light specials?

[lofty lintel]

sometimes i find myself running stripped down its quite good to reposition fast and keep shredding

[sudden dome]

doesnt deathspitter still need kills

raking fire doesnt and its 40% damage for attacking backs so if you want to kill bosses

[terse idol]

Yeah thats a good point

[terse idol]

Oh ywah it does

[sudden dome]

quickloader. I would take quickloader. 50% reload speed after dodging

[gleaming turtle]

Raking Fire on what?

[sudden dome]

please and thank you

[gleaming turtle]

Revolver or something?

[terse idol]

Oh but the difference is power vs close damage

[sudden dome]

cig

if all you want is boss damage

[gleaming turtle]

Just shoot their heads.

[terse idol]

Death spitter gives you power, fire frenzy gives you close damage

[sudden dome]

I think theyre basically the same thing but deathspitter gives you a bit more stagger in exchange for damage or something

doesnt really matter

if you ahve either dont change them a roll a different perk instead

[terse idol]

No it gives you stagger AND damage

[flat pebble]

i think they’re saying in comparison lol

[sudden dome]

yea but less damage than the other one

[terse idol]

Oh

[sudden dome]

wait quickloader was taken out of the game

[flat pebble]

technically power includes cleave but idk if that gun does actually cleave

[sudden dome]

I want it back

[terse idol]

I imagine not

But columnus shreeds

[gleaming turtle]

I am confused by the idea of running Raking Fire specifically for killing bosses. No offense. FT stacks, and shooting their heads with the CIG makes very short work of the PO and BoN. The only one you'll have problems with is the Warp Spawn because it actively moves its head, and the DH isn't worth discussing because it isn't your problem, lol. I could, I guess, see an argument if you're trying to make a boss killer for the twins when their mission drops, but beyond that... this is super fringe IMO.

[flat pebble]

raking fire is more of just a general infiltrator blessing

[sudden dome]

well the argument was hits are easier to make than kills during a boss fight because youll be shooting the boss, so if all you want to do is shoot the boss and get more damage you would take raking fire because the other one is also on kill which you wont get while only shooting a boss

[flat pebble]

but it will supe up a beast of nurgle kill undoubtedly

[sudden dome]

the only boss i cant solo with a melee

[delicate moat]

what if hug the boss

[terse idol]

🥹

[sudden dome]

they decide they want to hug your whole body using their stomache and for some reason you dont melt from all the love they show you

[plush jetty]

Doesn't BoN has its weakpoint in the back ? or does it also have a head in front ? Raking Fire could be great against them then

[low oar]

Maybe the bosses just need someone to talk to about their problems

[delicate moat]

the bosses just want to talk to u about ur car's extended warranty

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, I get that, but shaping the CIG around the purpose of boss killing just feels weird. That's all. I could potentially be persuaded by this argument if you're saying that "I don't need DS/other Damage/Power blessings because I am not using the gun frequently anyway and just use melee, and so having a pocket bullet hose to kill bosses is neat".

[terse idol]

Yeah I mean thats my view on it

Since the columnus kills everything very fast

[vital bobcat]

Dumdum is the primary blessing for columnus and the second blessing is just gearing it towards your playstyle

[terse idol]

The weak points being, crushers, and abit of maulers

[sudden dome]

I dont like the CIG anyway, it iron sights cant stay on target and its non ironsights dont have much accuracy, I dont use it, but if youre already saying no to a blessing because its not good on bosses might as well go for boss damage. Besides youre behind things lots of times

[terse idol]

Easily shred all maniacs including muties

[sudden dome]

shooting at whatever other people are fighting is basically always back damage

[plush jetty]

Also, asking again, perks (not blessing) the the Mk III power sword ?

[gleaming turtle]

I dunno about that one. I use the CIG to kill Crusher gangs all the time.

[terse idol]

You should defo try it, it's

A bullet hose

[plush jetty]

I was thinking of unyileding + flak

[terse idol]

Its what the recon aspires to be

[gleaming turtle]

The recoil becomes completely flat after like the third round, and so is extremely controllable/nonexistent.

[sudden dome]

it is but if I want a bullet hose thats only really good close range Ill take a graia

[terse idol]

I still think the colmunus may beat it out but I have to try the Graia

[sudden dome]

just a personal preference thats what I leveled on

[terse idol]

That's faiir

[gleaming turtle]

The braced Graia?

[sudden dome]

yep its great

other than long range

only use secondary fire

[finite imp]

ladies and gentlemen i have made 2 peanut butter and jelly sandiwches

[gleaming turtle]

Anyway, light specials best way to kill Ragers on the new Chain Axe?

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/e-there-is-nothing-we-can-do-gif-1915861908606230748

[finite imp]

and im the only vet that uses a revolver

[near sable]

im him

[sudden dome]

I just tried the graia in the meatgrinder on a basic no talent point build and its doing 1800 dps on ragers with a non god roll

76/76 damage collateral

[finite imp]

is that a full mag

[sudden dome]

well yea but I can kill 4 before reloading

[finite imp]

that'

[nimble sentinel]

lasguns are plentiful and in the hands of every veteran

[finite imp]

that's just the issue with the graia

[sudden dome]

also only body shots

[finite imp]

its unstoppable at clearing hordes

[sudden dome]

no weakpoints

[finite imp]

literally no better weopon

but the time to kill specials is slight problematic

[sudden dome]

its not instant, the real issue is if theyre far away where you cant hit them

but its less than a second in range

[finite imp]

ill always advocate dakka

i love dakka

[south spindle]

Lel Graia is actually kinda cracked

[finite imp]

simple as

[sudden dome]

when I have my build up, it literally says their dps is their health because I cant go any higher

[vital bobcat]

what is your best and favorite lasgun mk + blessing/perk combo

[serene sage]

why is everyone on the graia train suddenly?

did something change?

[sudden dome]

no its bad

because no range

[south spindle]

It was buffed last patch

[sudden dome]

but I love it

[south spindle]

Its a BAG, it doesnt need range lol

[sudden dome]

on a zealot its fine on a vet you need range

thats your only job

[finite imp]

it shreds

[nimble sentinel]

best: 1a flakiak with the headshot blessings (can't get screenshots now I'm digging a hole, diggy diggy hole...)
fav: MG IV same set-up

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-o-rly-owl-gif-7905924

[south spindle]

Yes, to kill ranged units, nothing says you have to be a fucking mile away to do it

[serene sage]

sometimes as vet I just stop shooting

[south spindle]

[nimble sentinel]

stacking crit every headshot, bonus headshot crit damage

[serene sage]

and just walk around taking the view in

[finite imp]

what if i told you you can hit the w key to get closer

[serene sage]

anyone else has an existential crisis mid mission?

[sudden dome]

if you dont deal with ranged units who else will, and in some arenas theyre literally 100 meters away spraying at you

[south spindle]

Shocker, i'd never have guessed

[finite imp]

i regularly go into anaphylaxis because I coke brush my teeth with peanut butter mid match

[serene sage]

if I want to hide they can't find me

[vital bobcat]

best dumpstat? i want to try one as a break from plasma and autoguns

[finite imp]

mobility

[south spindle]

No, they're not 100m away most of the time, and again, W key

[finite imp]

its literally zero effort to use cover to close distance

[serene sage]

50-60m in a game is really hecking far

[south spindle]

Yeah realllllly far

[finite imp]

but im a knife vet, I'm death coming at you at 60 mph

[sudden dome]

every arena I go into thats what ends up happening, 5+ gunners on the other end or in the rafters of a huge arena

[finite imp]

so sit behind cover

[nimble sentinel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa29726-c30a-4f57-ac9f-c429bc669d34/my-job-is-gun-lasgun-veteran?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
Needs some updating, I'm taking a MK 3 shovel and frag grenades now, but this will do you well

Dump stats are mobility, stability, and ammo in order of most to least wanted

[serene sage]

we are talking across the bridge into an alley kind of far, literally

[next spade]

I think I got some good RNG with this one, nothing rerolled yet

[finite imp]

they'll come

there's no rush

[south spindle]

Keep FF, swap out DS for Hit an Run, swap elites to Maniac

[finite imp]

even my crackhead ass knows when to hunker down

[next spade]

deathspitter dosnt stack?

[finite imp]

no

[south spindle]

I beleive it does yes, but Hit an Run makes you immune to ranged fire on close kill

[serene sage]

you see varlet, if you don't shoot enemies

they won't be aggroed

[south spindle]

Which being a BAG, is most of the time because TTK is super fast

[serene sage]

let your teammates take the aggro

they exist for reason

[sudden dome]

the colosseum, the one library mission where you have to get the elevator and they all sit from beyond the enterence and shoot at everyone, the trains where they sit on the rafters of the other section and shoot down, I cant hit any of those reasonably

[finite imp]

not me plinking heavies to kite them into a kill zone

[south spindle]

Take shout to give yourself an emergency second wind if you need it, you're basically immortal

[strange moon]

Whats a good roll for the mark 3 shovel?

[vital bobcat]

sweet thx guys

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter can be better for mowing down horde to get to specials behind them

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sweat-sweating-nervous-wet-sad-gif-5796001

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter has 5 stacks as well

[finite imp]

me trying not to say skill issue

[next spade]

it does stack 5 times

that seems like the perfect combo with both

[serene sage]

all of those places (assuming we are thinking about the same ones) all have hold out spots where they either need to come to you or you are shielded from long range fire

[south spindle]

For sure, i dont rate it over FF tho, an at the end of the day, both drop stacks completely on reload

[sudden dome]

it melts ragers though

[finite imp]

IT DOES

FUICK

FUUUUUUUUCK

[serene sage]

also shooters 50m out don't hit you that often, it's the suppression and aim knock/mini stun that is problematic

[next spade]

so I have 46% close damage and 25% damage on close kill at max

they also last the exact same time

[south spindle]

It's hard to push into groups aggressively without HnR tho

[sudden dome]

oh nice I can now squeeze 5 ragers out of a mag

[south spindle]

You can do much more aggressive plays with that than two damage blessings, that being said, you dont really need two either because Agri' fuckin shreds

[gleaming turtle]

Would you guys melt it for Headtaker IV or use it? I have others, but I do not have Headtaker IV.

[next spade]

from 184 damage to 298 damage at max stacks

[south spindle]

Also HitnRun counts as dodging for Duck an Dive, meaning you can brace up and use Deadshot a LOT

[paper furnace]

oh wow

[serene sage]

can someone explain the columnus for me, because it seems to me the ideal engagement range if you want to use blessings is <8m
but that might as well be melee range

[next spade]

also the crit bonus then I suppose

[serene sage]

or do you just shoot and mostly ignore the blessing bonuses?

[south spindle]

IAG?

[serene sage]

yeah

mk5

[south spindle]

Mostly ignore, they're good when they come into play, but not required

[serene sage]

cause people run Dum Dum and FF

[tall torrent]

Dum dum works at longer ranges than 8m

[south spindle]

That gun is OP as fuck, you could take a grey into Auric an still top kills and damage

[soft rune]

What are generally the best blessings for plasma?

[tall torrent]

But it’s mostly a close-mid range weapon

[serene sage]

it stacks at more than 8m but does the stack work outside of 8m? I hope I make sense

[next spade]

comlumnus is the fast firing one? feels like easily the worst out of the 3

[gleaming turtle]

Columnus is the fast firing one.

[south spindle]

Its one of the best guns in the game currently

[tall torrent]

The dmg buff is for all ranges

[terse idol]

Well dum dum is still bugged

So you get the buff at all ranges

[serene sage]

oh that makes sense

[serene sage]

i feel like this is exagerration, is it?

[terse idol]

Its like the best gun atm

One of them

[next spade]

generally in this game you trade too much damage for magsize and firerate and the balancing is skewed towards lower magsize and higher damage

[south spindle]

Yeah.. its really fucking strong

[paper furnace]

killing everything within 8m keeps the whole team alive imo

[terse idol]

Hnm?

Per bullet

It has insane damage output

[south spindle]

Thats false

[serene sage]

I mean I tried it, it is strong, but topping damage and kills with grey strong?

[terse idol]

This is a gun that you can squeeze half your mag to less than half into a mutie and instantly destroy it

[tall torrent]

No
It’s really that strong

[south spindle]

Typically lower mag size, higher damage guns have better breakpoints on single shots, but DPS guns are also ridiculous if you use em right

[next spade]

you can do this also with Agripinaa but with better accuracy

[terse idol]

You can even use the columnus to clear hordes because the damage is so efficient

That you don't waste much ammo per bullet on each walker

Like 2 bullets per

[south spindle]

All the IAGs are good at the moment, so thats not saying much, but none of them outperform Columnus

[south spindle]

Provided you have at least a measure of recoil control ability anyway

[tall torrent]

I think agripinaa IAG still needs recoil buff to properly compete vs Columnus IAG

[serene sage]

okay I tentatively believe you but would love to see a scoreboard of a gray topping damage/kills still

[south spindle]

Wouldnt go amiss, thats for sure

[south spindle]

Play a few matches with it, thats all you need to do to see how strong it is

[gleaming turtle]

This is how I deal with Crushers a lot of the time.

[next spade]

with which blessings?

[serene sage]

I did lol

I already said it is strong. Hell I spent a bunch of platsteel to get it for my Gunsker

[next spade]

Maybe gotta try again but Agripinaa destroys even on full melee build while Columnus dosnt seem to do anything if you don't have a ranged build

[gleaming turtle]

FF and then whatever, you want, SOAB.

[serene sage]

what I am saying is can you really bring a GRAY gun to auric and still top damage/kills

[gleaming turtle]

That video I posted didn't even have the Ogryn damage talent, nor Carapace damage on the gun.

[flat pebble]

you play with the new auric lobbies lately?

[gleaming turtle]

That's how much damage it does.

That's how fast it kills Crushers.

And it's very easy to do because they do not move their heads and tend to stand still.

[south spindle]

Seriously, it is ridiculously good at the moment

[tall torrent]

If you’re one of those people that unironically run triple stamina + deadshot + duck & dive for Columnus IAG I think u can

[flat pebble]

yeah crowbar enjoyer showed me an insane deadshot ciag build

[frank ether]

depends on the gun and depends on the teammates

[hearty panther]

They'll eventually get around to nerfing its crit chains. That's a substantial amount of its damage output currently.

[flat pebble]

it one magged most monstrosities

[frank ether]

teammates of equal skill means automatically no

[next spade]

the trick is to use Onslaught with columnus or what?

[terse idol]

I ran my Columnus on a pure VOC support toughness share build with no ranged damage talents besides vs Monst

[tall torrent]

I think finesse needs to be nerfed on it as well

[terse idol]

Like

That thing is crazy

[serene sage]

you need to understand that topping kills and damage means the Columnus somehow also needs to outdamage plasma, kickbacks, surge, trauma users being a gray gun

[terse idol]

I didn't even use my Dclaw because it felt like I was wasting damage

Not using my columnus

[serene sage]

I have a hard time seeing it outdamaging kickback

[hearty panther]

Probably not tbh, if the Agri I also crit five times off a single crit proc we wouldn't really even be talking about the Columnus

[tall torrent]

Both weakpoint & crit dmg need to be tuned down for Columnus IAG

[terse idol]

I'm currently testing a marksman build with it

[terse idol]

See that's what stands out to me

Recon gets its crit chain nerfed to the ground

It never recovered

Columnus has had 0 changes

Not even the dum dum damage blessing fix

[hearty panther]

Columnus got a huge buff when the original Recon OPness was rolled out

[next spade]

what do you mean with crit chain?

[terse idol]

Oooh

[serene sage]

we are talking a gray columnus topping damage and kills and I have 2 people telling it's possible

[terse idol]

Back when people built recon for crit

[hearty panther]

Nobody cared tho cause Recon did everything every gun could do but with infinite ammo

[gleaming turtle]

I honestly don't care if they do anything to to the Columnus, there are enough good guns for the Vet that it doesn't matter. I am just using it RN because I am bored with Plasma.

[hearty panther]

I'm happy they nerfed that lol

[serene sage]

i guess with brain damaged teammates you can, but like a rando ogryn with kickback will shred regardless

[terse idol]

But its

Just bad now

It kinda needs a hand

[next spade]

crit chain is just a lot of crits or crits proccing of crits somehow?

[terse idol]

Alot of crits

[hearty panther]

Sure but it doesn't need whatever it was doing before. That shit was dumb.

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa 1 only has 2 crits in a row

[terse idol]

Since you know that vet had the talent to not consume ammo on crit

[south spindle]

#veteran-class message

[terse idol]

In theory before it was nerfed you could just keep shooting

And critting

[next spade]

wait there is a limit to how many crits you can do in a row?

[tall torrent]

Crit chains

[terse idol]

Seemingly for the recon, I think so

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, I don't buy the "Columnus can top damage" story. It uses too much ammo in general by dint of being a bullet hose. I could maybe see an edge case where like... your teams mates are Psykers, and an Ogryn who is using a GG or something, lmao, so you can just take all of the ammo.

[next spade]

what a strange mechanic

[terse idol]

Its ammo efficient

[gleaming turtle]

Ehhhhh

[hearty panther]

Some ranged weapons have crit chains. So one crit proc means multiple bullets crit in succession, instead of just one.

[terse idol]

Yes it's an ammo hose but with survivalist you're more than making the ammo you use up

Because you don't use that many bullets to take down targets

Because of the damage it does per bullet

[gleaming turtle]

We are talking about using it as the primary damage dealer, no?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[gleaming turtle]

Then it isn't.

[hearty panther]

Recons were silly because Headhunter + no recoil + laser accuracy + five crit chain = literally infinite ammo

[gleaming turtle]

There's too much trash out there.

[terse idol]

But it is 🥹

Because that's how ammo efficient it is

[flat pebble]

smudge out here fighting for their life

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/hajime-no-ippo-boxing-boxer-ippo-sendo-gif-7781969959485125348

[gleaming turtle]

My damage tends to be 60-65% Melee and the rest ranged, and that's if I am playing normally. Now, I can absolutely just start hosing into crowds of poxwalkers and groaners, but... why?

[serene sage]

I mean I will legit try to bring a gray Columnus to Auric tonight and try to see how much damage I do
But if you are saying that it's reasonable to outdamage kickback (which I can't do on my decked out Boltgun) then I hope you understand why I have my doubts

[south spindle]

@serene sage

[gleaming turtle]

It has no punchthrough, the extra shots will get eaten by the corpses as they fall.

[south spindle]

Literal garbage roll i just brought from Brunt

[frank ether]

I mean what if I bring a dumdum columnus or be an ogryn and sit in front of you all game

you autolose lmao

[south spindle]

On an unoptimized build for the gun

[frank ether]

topping damage is a silly concept

too many variables

[gleaming turtle]

It's also a dumb thing to brag about

[terse idol]

Hey man, just test it ouut, I mean it'll still be probably 75-80% columnus to melee maybe less

But still

Ammo economy on it is good

[gleaming turtle]

Guess who tops damage and kills in most shit? Kickback Ogryns and Psykers spamming into crowds. Woop-dee-doo.

[terse idol]

Consider that survivalist also gives 1% max ammo

[serene sage]

what I am saying is not Columnus is a BAD gun. it IS STRONG. I am not debating that.
but the comparison is a gray Columnus to your average (not even good) Kickback user

[terse idol]

And columnus gains alot of ammo back

Since it's got high max ammo

[south spindle]

You are seeing the literal 2K dps number right?

Thats less than 10 bullets

[serene sage]

you literally know how good kickback is at oneshotting hordes padding its stats right?

[gleaming turtle]

Fox isn't wrong

I once literally got 900k damage without ever using melee in an Auric just by non-stop blasting away with my Kickback.

[flat pebble]

that doesn’t sound like fox

[terse idol]

I mean

This is now discussing how OP either weapon is

[south spindle]

Yes... i play Ogryn, but thats not the point, if you're shitting out those numbers above^ you will get ridiculous damage output over the course of the game. Picking one of the two most broken guns in the game and saying you wont beat it is a given, in the average game, you will

[terse idol]

[serene sage]

I'm at work but if you are around tonight, we can play, I have a level 50 Ogryn so im not an Ogryn main but I will use kickback, you can use columnus and we see who can do more damage

[terse idol]

Yes the two broken guns in this patch

Are broken

I just want to argue in the scope of what vet has

[pliant inlet]

Hey Veterans...is the Plasma Gun reload busted.? I can't seem to manually reload it. It does reload once it's empty though.

[south spindle]

Im not playing on US servers

Period.

Fuck that for a laugh

[flat pebble]

stream it and forward the proceeds to charity

[finite imp]

posh

[terse idol]

Like I don't disagree that the kickback may beat the columnus

That aint the point

[finite imp]

[serene sage]

My friend,

[south spindle]

Same grey garbage columnus

[terse idol]

The point being columnus will beat out most of the Vets arsenal

And thats how strong it is

[serene sage]

you guys doubled down on columnus gray being top damage and directly pinged me when I mentioned kickback

[flat pebble]

fox has now taken over smudge’s position as fighting for their life

[south spindle]

Again, you're wanting to compare it to one of the two most broken guns in the game, the other being plasma. In your average game, you could very well top damage with a grey columnus

[terse idol]

Hell, if we want to look at the kickback in the Ogrnns

[serene sage]

in your avarage game there will be Plasma and Kickbacks

[terse idol]

I mean I can confidentially say that it also beats out Ogryn weapons

[south spindle]

No, there wont

[serene sage]

are we playing the same game?

[terse idol]

But I'm not an Ogryn main

[south spindle]

We're playing on different servers at the very most

Which probably does have a lot to do with things ngl

[nimble sentinel]

that depends...

[serene sage]

ig idk about EU but US everygame there is a kickback plasma or revolver of some sort

[nimble sentinel]

I am jumping in to say this is why the devs didn't put a scoreboard in the live release

[hallow tulip]

i finally understand vet and the power of plasma

[flat pebble]

so nice you said it twice huh

[leaden musk]

Lol

[hallow tulip]

oops lmao

[serene sage]

what did he say?

i didn't quite catch that

[terse idol]

Okay we figured it out

[hallow tulip]

[flat pebble]

yeah plasma’s a lot of fun once you finally get the roll you wanted

but until then

[hallow tulip]

that was with a green one lmao

[flat pebble]

deceased

[hallow tulip]

im so broke lmao

[flat pebble]

i need my breakpoints

like a security blankie

[wise fossil]

What're the breakpoints on plasma?

[serene sage]

Let me see, one shotting everything?

[south spindle]

I mean not being funny, but i quite often outdo plasma users with braced autoguns, an columnus is way more OP than any of the BAGs, even with the blessings on BAGs

[flat pebble]

greatly depends on your roll

[serene sage]

Yeah that's about it

[rocky leaf]

Bros why is the Plasma Gun so beautiful and strong?

[flat pebble]

unarmored lets you ohk dreg gunners on headshot

[finite imp]

OI?

[south spindle]

Kickback, bit of different matter, because yes, you can shit it into hordes and profit, but they'll still lose out on elites/specials

[flat pebble]

with flak often that’s the body shot bp on scab gunners but it depends on your damage and stopping power stats

[terse idol]

Okay I'm doing do more testing

But if you get some of left side talents

Weak point damage 30%

[gleaming turtle]

Is there any way for the Chain Axe or the Chainsword to stagger Ragers? Because I am losing my mind that it can do it when they are idle, but the moment they got into swinging plague monk mode, they just won't shift.

[flat pebble]

yeah it varies greatly build to build for obvious reason

[terse idol]

You may be able to reach ohko on gunners without unarmoured

I think I have my build where I can one hit gunners, and then 1 hit crushers with headshot right click

But its cloose

[flat pebble]

seems that if you’re spamming heavies on OG chaxe it stuns them on headshots maybe?

[serene sage]

Agree on elites but I think kickback eats every specialists for breakfast. A decent Ogryn almost always top specialists kill in my games.

[flat pebble]

haven’t used it extensively

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/e-there-is-nothing-we-can-do-gif-1915861908606230748

[terse idol]

This is certainly why I'll argue we cannot compare other classes guns to our own

Kickback is also OP

[flat pebble]

kickback is silly

[terse idol]

But in the Ogryn side

Also Ogryns are balanced strictly for them because they share no shared weapons with other classes

Well I mean I guess they do balance abit for everything but yall know

[next spade]

im just testing and pretty sure this is more the build than the gun

[ebon umbra]

why does the kickback get surgical??

[south spindle]

Kickback needs its reverse ammo halved

[ebon umbra]

why do ogryns even have surgical

[south spindle]

It can keep Surgical, but it needs way less ammo

[ebon umbra]

honestly i dont mind the kickback because i can actually get ammo

[ebon umbra]

let them have the kickback PLEASE

[next spade]

I think I specced a similar thing

[south spindle]

Graia?

[next spade]

columnus braced

[south spindle]

Sec

[terse idol]

Not braced

Not braced

IAG

[next spade]

if you take +30% weakpoint, do the marking and have the rending talents then you can do this with probably anything fast firing I suppose, gun has no blessings helping

[queen mason]

how to 2 shot crusher4s a s avet with devil claw

[south spindle]

Yeah.. we're not talking about the Braced version

[next spade]

yes, but I mean you can do the same clip with anything fast firing with the same build, its the build making it good

[terse idol]

No no no

[south spindle]

Yeah no

[terse idol]

You have to try it with the IAG

Its not >just any fast firing weapon

[south spindle]

I will literally unspec my tree right now an i bet it'll still do close to 2K DPS on Ragers an Reaper

[next spade]

you can see braced autogun can even do it

[toxic leaf]

i think the biggest problem (for me) with columnus is that is hard to snipe specialist like a revolver or plasma can in a horde situation

[terse idol]

No

No no no

[gleaming turtle]

Alright, yeah, so it's the lights on the old one, and the heavies on the new one, but the new one is much more dangerous because the attack speed on a heavy =/= the attack speed on a light. I can consistently stun them to death with lights on the old, but with the new one, they will get a hit in most of the time. That said, I don't think either are good for dealing with Ragers because they have no means to really counter several of them at once; which is how they'll show up nearly every time, lol

[terse idol]

That's not the scope we're talking about

That's not the gun we're speaking of

Its the columnus iag

That's the outlier

[next spade]

agripineea also does very similar stuff

[south spindle]

2K DPS on Rager 2.6K DPS on Reaper, no talent points, no blessings, no perks

[flat pebble]

as a chaxe vet you’re probably using frags on rager packs

i want confirmation heavies with slaughterer up dont stagger ragers on headshots though with the old chaxe because i think you can

[serene sage]

Now try Carapace

I know we have Krak/ps6 for those

But I'm just saying

[next spade]

to kill carapace like in his clip you need the talents or the columnus will be doing absolutely nothing

[serene sage]

Shooting Carapace with Columnus feels painful

[terse idol]

But that's not the poiiint, this is why we've discussing the columnus IAG

[gleaming turtle]

Headshot them

[nimble sentinel]

have you also considered

[toxic leaf]

shooting the columnus feels great, the gun feels really good

i just hate that i cant snipe snipers in the back with it

[terse idol]

It's because of the fire rate on the IAG

That beats it out on the other's

That's the whooole discussion of why it's so strong

Along with the crit chains and weakpoint damage

[south spindle]

Spec more Rending if you wanna burst down Crushers

[gleaming turtle]

Nothing

[flat pebble]

this is a large part of it yeah

[south spindle]

No talent points, no perks, no blessings vs Crusher is a stupid test

[flat pebble]

you don’t have slaughterer up

[serene sage]

I used to run both Onslaught and Rending on Colum but eventually I just kinda gave up and take Krak/melee instead

[gleaming turtle]

Oh my bad, give me a sec.

[flat pebble]

maybe try like 3 stacks

[south spindle]

I've only found Onslaught to be worth taking for BAGs

[flat pebble]

that’s an average use case

[south spindle]

If you wanted to kill them with bullets

[serene sage]

I take ping keystone on the way so it's a why not kinda deal

[south spindle]

Graia BAG with Rending Strikes, Onslaught + TBTA

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, just did it, you need 3 stacks.

[south spindle]

An the only reason that profits so hard from Onslaught is because its braced RoF is insane

[gleaming turtle]

It also needs to be a headshot

Otherwise it doesn't mean nothing

[flat pebble]

yeah the nuvis is like that too

[vital bobcat]

can someone tell me which is the stronger stat between Base Damage and Power? idk too much about the intricacies of this games damage calculations

[flat pebble]

you can keep a bunch of ragers stunned in front of you with it but they need to be headshots or they shrug them off

[gleaming turtle]

That is a lot easier to do though, IMO.

Because it's just a flat horizontal light.

[terse idol]

Power affects... Damage, And Stagger and something else I forgor

[flat pebble]

yeah og chaxe heavies are weird

[terse idol]

🥹

[toxic leaf]

so is precision strikes a good pick for columnus?

[flat pebble]

cleave

[south spindle]

Cleave aswell

[terse idol]

[south spindle]

Its a good pick for everything

Even melee

[tall torrent]

it's a fine pick in general and it's usually just some extra dmg for low point cost

[vital bobcat]

in terms of raw dps on a target, is the damage that power gives you higher than base damage or is it the other way around?

[tall torrent]

but it's especially valuable for weapons that hit breakpoints with it

[gleaming turtle]

But basically, if you are using the Chainsword, you are SoL against Ragers unless you can prep a nade as they rush in. Pray you got a good gun, or someone else kills them for you, lol.

[flat pebble]

36% power is 36% increased damage, stagger, and cleave

afaik

[serene sage]

Actually what is the highest DPS gun on let's say Unarmored enemies?

[flat pebble]

it’s 1:1

[midnight mortar]

Damage, stagger, and cleave are calculated from power.

[flat pebble]

just like 50% finesse would be 50% weakspot damage and crit damage or whatever

[vital bobcat]

cool cool and so base dmg/power are generally higher prio than weakspot dmg and crit dmg right?

[midnight mortar]

Contributions to base power thus provide higher increases to performance to an extent.

[flat pebble]

90% of the time

[midnight mortar]

It depends.

But most of the time, yes.

[vital bobcat]

[next spade]

im noticing that with a normal autogun, I can kill like 5 specials with one magazine, but with a braced you can kill around 8 and you have way more max ammo

[flat pebble]

the exceptions are worth knowing, like for infantry lasguns

deadly accurate > no respite

finesse weapons in this game (unsurprisingly) are the ones that benefit from building into crit and weakspot damage, in most other weapons it’s a flat waste

and even then don’t use either of the perks lol

[inland orchid]

Infantry is very handy

A good “ol realiable” can feel nice

[next spade]

anyone even running the burst guns (even with full auto mod) ?

[flat pebble]

you mean the mk3 hh?

[hearty panther]

ye

i run 7 on gunker

[flat pebble]

i like it on zealot

[tall torrent]

Vraks3 is very good

But it’s a massive frustration to roll for

[hearty panther]

zealot doesn't need a gun u have flying knife

[flat pebble]

between the 7 and the 3 the 3 has slightly more generous rolls but yeah the hhs are stat hungry

[next spade]

and the semi auto?

[flat pebble]

that’s the 7

[gleaming turtle]

AND IT CAN'T SHOOT THROUGH MULTIPLE ENEMIES

OR TEAM MATES

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

[tall torrent]

3 is even less generous than 7 because 3 wants close to max stability for the lowest recoil possible
7 you’re not spamming shots for the most part so stability is less of a mandate

[hearty panther]

7 has zany finesse stats

thats really what you lean into

[next spade]

why did they make the naming so cringe

[hearty panther]

iunno

i got used to it

years of battlefield games bloating

[next spade]

I recently realized why, the skins are shared

so its because of the skins

[gleaming turtle]

If the HH guns had the ability to shoot through team mates and more than one enemy, they'd be really worth discussing as like the best gun the Vet has, except Columnus.

[flat pebble]

in my experience the stopping power and damage stats on the mk3 don’t need to be as juiced as the 7 because the 7 needs the breakpoints to start feeling good

[tall torrent]

I basically exclusively spammed vraks3 in patch13 and a low stability roll can feel horrible

[flat pebble]

that doesn’t super shock me

[tall torrent]

Mk3 dmg roll as long as u can hit one burst bodyshot regular shooters it’s not that bad

[flat pebble]

i was using it for months up to patch 13

[flat pebble]

that’s what i’m saying

[tall torrent]

Vraks3 is back this patch though cuz you can now afford suppression immunity easily

Precision strike + suppression immunity on left tree and you can build however u want basically

Works with VoC builds

Works with EXE builds

[flat pebble]

i have to try it out on vet i only ever got good rolls of it on my zealot

[tall torrent]

Playing vraks3 last patch was cancer because you just couldn’t spare the points for suppression immunity

And u just get suppressed by gunner spam

[flat pebble]

does deadly accurate need to be on weakspot hit for the mk3 if one of the 3 bullets in a burst hit weakspot?

[hearty panther]

DD gunker is the new vet

yea its only ever the headshot bullet

[flat pebble]

i know seldom little about crit chain interactions

[tall torrent]

Burst crit applies to full burst (all 3 shots) so u get DA bonus on all 3

Vraks3 has insane dps

[flat pebble]

right now that part i understand

[tall torrent]

A godroll vraks3 has almost competitive dps against Columnus IAG (except vs mutants & dreg ragers) and that is crazy

[flat pebble]

i’m saying do you lose deadly accurate on body shots or if the first shot is a headshot will DA remain on despite missing headshots

i figure yes

[tall torrent]

Not sure

But I think that’s a super niche application just because recoil goes up

If your first shot in a burst is a headshot, hard for the rest to be bodyshots

[flat pebble]

well it’s not really about application as it is is wondering about what the worst case scenario looks like

i wouldn’t ever want to intentionally miss headshots

[tall torrent]

I think even worst case scenarios you’re not missing out on much damage

One crit headshot with DA is like 900 dmg

[tender vine]

I have a great Chain axe Mk12. Can anyone recommend a good ranged weapon to pair it with to shore up its weaknesses?

[finite imp]

I wanna start a food review YouTube channel for Chicago street foods but literally every episode were the victim of random wonton crime occuring throughout the city mid food review like we all have to hit the floor during a drive-by. So basically it's a smear campaign against the city of Chicago dressed up as a food review channel

Anyhow random thought

[serene sage]

I'm here in the vet channel for random manifestos

[flat pebble]

also to expand: controller stuff. aim at head, pull down on stick at the same time as trigger pull, hope for best

[tall torrent]

Oh ur on controller

[serene sage]

We have this and we have the dog biscuit manifesto

[flat pebble]

i switch back and forth

[tall torrent]

Hmm idk then, I’m not that experienced on controller

[flat pebble]

i’m primarily mnk

[finite imp]

Like we're trying joes wings and suddenly the concrete behind us is getting kicked up by bullet fire

[serene sage]

I'd watch that

[finite imp]

But we're good sports about like ayye that's Chicago

[flat pebble]

i like to recline at my pc sometimes with my legs up and i switch to controller

[serene sage]

You should pitch it to some reality show producers

[finite imp]

So we keep making more episodes completely unafraid

[tall torrent]

If controller AA feeds u headshots then vraks3 can cook some real peak

[flat pebble]

yeah it’s just hard to deal with reticle friction sometimes

it helps you as often as it hurts you

[gleaming turtle]

It's only real problems, as far as I am concerned are Ragers. Maulers are too slow, so your Heavies are simple to kill them with. And if you can isolate, you can do specials on them. Crushers aren't great, but like... you can do it, so my pick would be a gun that deal with those two things. Crushers and Ragers; which is a lot of guns. You should also consider going into a melee build to help with the attack speed.

[finite imp]

Asshole

Lmao

[flat pebble]

me comfy

siping cofy

[serene sage]

*laying on the ground hiding from a drive by*
You see this hotdog is soft and tender but a bit heavy on the mustard, which, amazingly pairs well with the sewage smell and... * gun shots* the fear of death. 10/10

[finite imp]

Taking cover behind a hotdog vendor trailer that's getting riddles with machine fire while continuing to scream my review into the cracked arpeture of a camera laying in a growing pool of blood

https://tenor.com/view/persevering-face-mattdamon-savingprivateryan-gif-4715004

[tall torrent]

A godroll vraks3 hitting mostly headshots in this game is basically the battle rifle from halo2 reincarnate

[next spade]

but you one hit on headshots

[tall torrent]

But godroll vraks3 is so frustrating

[next spade]

so the other 2 are wasted

[finite imp]

Like by season two we're wearing flak jackets with plastic ware int the pockets

I wanna use those violin stings like constantly

Y'know the ones

From like kitchen nightmares

[tall torrent]

What’re the easiest weapons to godroll for vet rn

[finite imp]

Easy
Godroll
Pick 1

[tall torrent]

Trying to come up with some stuff for friends who just got into the game

[finite imp]

How's their aim

[desert thicket]

tf is the 'sorry your mission has been aborted' shit

was about to kill assassination boss and we all got booted

can't reconnect

[tall torrent]

COD SBMM masochist lvl so I wouldn’t call bad lol

[south spindle]

Any Columnus

[flat pebble]

gut says maybe columnus iag and mk 3 shovel. just need dumdum and uncanny respectively, especially while they’re getting up to speed

[serene sage]

Boltgun it is

[finite imp]

Jesus

Uhmmm

[flat pebble]

honestly bolter might not be bad to roll for

[tall torrent]

Yea Columnus is prob the easiest to start for them but anything else

[flat pebble]

it doesn’t have many blessings

[finite imp]

Fuck just tell him agrippina iag

Closest thing to an cod m16 you can get

[serene sage]

3.5 out of the 6 are good as well

[tall torrent]

I thought helbore would be easy to roll for due to its low blessing count then I realized how much suffering it is to roll 4/4 perfect on them

[finite imp]

They should go for fire frenzy dum dum or death spitter

[flat pebble]

helbores too although i wouldn’t really recommend them to new players imo

[tall torrent]

Revolver also kinda easy to roll for?

[brazen bay]

when is the prestige system coming out?

[flat pebble]

but if you know him you can teach him how to use it wisely

[finite imp]

I hope they're cool with losing their fancy cod dot sights

[tall torrent]

As long as u have hand cannon I think you’re set on vet

[serene sage]

maybe not the Boltgun then

[flat pebble]

revolver has some doodoo blessings i know for sure but what’s the actual ratio

[tall torrent]

I mean as long as u have hand cannon 3 on revolver you’re set

[finite imp]

Revolver is good

But I wouldn't recommend it to a cod kiddie

[brazen bay]

been seeing a lot of ppl rocking the shredder lately

[flat pebble]

depends on the type of cod kiddie maybe

[serene sage]

Mg1a it is

[tall torrent]

You don’t need specific perks because it hits 1 shot breakpoints without them, besides maybe carapace to guarantee 2 crit headshot on maulers and crushers

[serene sage]

really? which server?

[south spindle]

Oh, if they've come from CoD pick the flattest shooting gun you can find

Probably recon las

[slow spade]

Plasma gun UwU

[finite imp]

Yeah

Recon las

[serene sage]

i haven't seen a single shredder in so long

[brazen bay]

lol NA east oddly enough

[south spindle]

Recoil is like a foreign concept to CoD players

[tall torrent]

Not recommending that piece of garbage

[serene sage]

same bruh o.o

[tall torrent]

They’re fine with recoil

[nimble sentinel]

fuck you we ball

[tender vine]

how do you attack with a boyonet on the helbore Mk III? it says bayonet attack but when i attack its just a bash with the stock

[finite imp]

You're a good person

[brazen bay]

it caught me off guard having 3 matches in a row with ppl using it

[slow spade]

Indeed, shredder got nerfed so hard that I genuinely ddon't know how good it is

[flat pebble]

you’re actually overhead swinging the bayonet down

[serene sage]

you don't
it's the mkI and mkII that is used for the bayonet stuff

[flat pebble]

mk3 bayonet attack different

[slow spade]

I think Recon people are just so used to being carried they think it's just natural

[finite imp]

I had a group of friends I was gonna no life this game with but due to the rocky launch they've all since sworn off the game

[brazen bay]

revolver is goat imo, manic and unarmored are my perfered perks because than you can one tap flamers in the head

[finite imp]

And anytime I try to tell them it's gotten better they call me a shill

[serene sage]

he is out of line but he's right

[flat pebble]

whats unarmored doing

[nimble sentinel]

^

[serene sage]

shut up shill
game is shit

[brazen bay]

it gives that little extra damage needed to kill pox flamers with one non crit HS

[finite imp]

Unarmored on a revolver

My brother

[flat pebble]

flamers don’t have unarmored

[brazen bay]

my bad mean manica

[finite imp]

Flamers are maniac

Oh gotcha

[flat pebble]

you said maniac and unarmored though at first, my question remains

[tall torrent]

So
Columnus mk5 IAG (easiest to roll for while having good performance at a baseline)
Zarona mk2 revolver (just needs carapace + hand cannon 3 to hit all its major breakpoints)

Wat abt melee weapons for new players

[flat pebble]

what’s unarmored doing for you

[finite imp]

I was gonna say there isn't a single bit of unarmored skin a revolver doesn't just delete

[serene sage]

I put +Infested damage on my melee weapons to oneshot busters 😎

[brazen bay]

there are few unarmored enemies that have just enough health to survive HS from the revolver and it tops that off

[serene sage]

what is your favorite tech chat

[flat pebble]

with a crit?

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/emmanuel-jdz-gif-24502401

[flat pebble]

are you using surgical?

[brazen bay]

non crit

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t revolver crit one shot like everything that’s not Ogryn or mauler

[flat pebble]

yes lol

[finite imp]

Yes

[flat pebble]

you shouldn’t need unarmored on a good revolver roll

[slow spade]

The only enemy with unarmored + a lit bit of hp is dreg gunners

And they only have 1400 hp

[brazen bay]

well my revolver is not great but its not bad I suppose

[finite imp]

A revolver round to the brain piece is a show stopper

[flat pebble]

would you mind posting it

[serene sage]

skill issue

[finite imp]

Don't post it they'll roast you

[brazen bay]

yeah gimme a sec

[finite imp]

They're gonna bully you

[tall torrent]

What melee weapons do y’all think are the easiest to roll for new vets

[finite imp]

So am i

[serene sage]

we will anyway

[terse idol]

What like Rampage

[south garnet]

@serene sage FYI on the broken shop plugin - according to a comment on the plugin page: "the Chrome extension breaks whenever Fatshark adds new items to the game. The developer (Raindish) will fix it when he can, but it takes time for extension updates to be approved by Chrome. (...) In the meantime, install the Firefox browser extension and use that instead. It has better exception handling, and allows items to continue to be displayed, even when it can't find a matching display name to use for them."

[flat pebble]

i don’t roast people that aren’t regulars (that aren’t being dicks)

[terse idol]

Rampage is pretty hard to go wrong

[terse idol]

or decimator

[tall torrent]

Like, which melee weapon specifically

[terse idol]

oh

[finite imp]

This is how you makem regulars

You bust chops

[tall torrent]

Chainsword?

[flat pebble]

one step at a time

[terse idol]

I would recommend Dclaw, because of the versatility, with Parry

😌

probably chainsword

[serene sage]

weak

[finite imp]

How many regular vets are actually in here

[brazen bay]

wish my damage was a bit higher @flat pebble but other wise its a good one

[serene sage]

at least 1

[finite imp]

Anyone seen Azreal in a minute

[terse idol]

at minimum 1

[nimble sentinel]

I got better

[serene sage]

yesterday yeah

[terse idol]

At all times

[flat pebble]

it only takes one person to take it personally and then you feel like dogshit

[slow spade]

I'm a lvl 400 Vet hello c:

[serene sage]

weak x2

[south garnet]

So as suspected, it's just a "wait for a fix" but you can install the firefox version if you need an interrim solution

[finite imp]

I know foxhope, numbers cat, bird guyz smudgels, Kyo,

[serene sage]

twin

[slow spade]

:D

[serene sage]

number cat

i guess that's fair xD

[finite imp]

Idk what else to call him man

[terse idol]

[finite imp]

Cat avy with numbers

[flat pebble]

this is actually a totally serviceable roll and it’s surprising to me you have struggles reaching any unarmored breakpoints, especially on a vet build

do you know specifically what they are

[finite imp]

Ironically enough 5heyre also good with numbers

[tall torrent]

I can’t recommend combat axes because they’re basically the veteran endgame
I can’t recommend power swords because they need power cycler which is also endgame grind
I can’t really recommend DC swords because they’re absurdly easy to brick with all the impact blessings
I can’t really recommend shovels because they have similar issues like DC swords
I can’t recommend knife cuz new vet player on knife sounds like a horrible time

[serene sage]

I should spend less time here 😔

[finite imp]

See

[serene sage]

I'm becoming too toxic

[finite imp]

Azreal, mud wizard

Who else

[slow spade]

Chainaxe then

[finite imp]

Sheo I've seen you a few times

[brazen bay]

it brains everything with one shot with no crit but flamers, pox hounds, maulers, and ogryns

[slow spade]

Recognized 💪

[timid otter]

Are you classifying filthy veteran mains

[brazen bay]

but the crit rate is so high it doesnt really come into play too often tbh but not really sure what to put in place of it

[slow spade]

How else do you know who to block?

[serene sage]

You know we have entered a new era when people name the regulars

[flat pebble]

can you still get two shots with carapace on crushers with hc?

[timid otter]

Very fair point

[serene sage]

and the word Darcy doesn't show up

[finite imp]

For some reason the dudes with just discord avatars like the default discord avatars always have hot takes in here

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe for new vets also sound pretty cancer

[brazen bay]

long as I crit yeah

[tall torrent]

Imagine they roll a mk4 and decide “hmm yes I will spam m1”

[flat pebble]

that’s right. the word. not the name, because that’s not a name to me

[serene sage]

do you know who Darcy is?

[flat pebble]

what is a darcy

[finite imp]

Darcy is the name of a street

[flat pebble]

(yes unfortunately)

[timid otter]

Our brain is more focused on the basedness in the world rather then avatars.

[flat pebble]

fox i’ve been in and out of here since last december lol

[finite imp]

I'll make you an avy don't worry

[slow spade]

I'd probably just recommend Devil Claw as you can reasonably use it without blessings (its not like they immediately jump in Aurics right?)

[south garnet]

darcy isn't a normal name, that's britoid shit, I wouldn't trust them

[serene sage]

😔 truly a tragedy
I will say no more on the Darcy subject. Just that she's a level 1000+ vet.

[finite imp]

I recognize just dodge as well tho your name changed recently I think

[serene sage]

justdodge is DamnitWesley

[tall torrent]

I’m thinking more like bringing them into heresy the moment they hit lv30 while they’re completely new (like, no idea what they’re doing besides hitting enemies)

[south garnet]

MY CLOUT

[finite imp]

Just call me Santa I gotta whole list of your naughty vets

You*

Checking it twice

[serene sage]

clearly not your typos

[finite imp]

Hell nah books are for losers

Go to the gym

[slow spade]

Ah, yeah I'd likely go with Devil Claw as they probably have a few (unlocked early) and its reliable without blessings

[south garnet]

nothing but coal for knife users

[tall torrent]

So DC sword or chainsword then

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/reee-kid-tantrums-gif-15375793

[serene sage]

dclaw is like, soooo, last year

[tall torrent]

Feel like chainsword is simpler to understand while also having a smaller blessing pool to roll

[serene sage]

people still use it?

[finite imp]

DClaw is dope it's parries are good

It's light attacks SUCK ASS

BUFF THE FUCKING LIGHTS CHRIST

[slow spade]

Ironic as it was the lights that got nerfed last time lol

[finite imp]

The knifes lights shouldn't be doing more damage than a SWOOOOORD

[flat pebble]

agree, that or chaxe

[south garnet]

calm-casual-low-intensity-knife-zealot-footage.gif

[toxic leaf]

What’s wrong with a tac axe?

[serene sage]

maybe you swing the sword very lightly

[south garnet]

calm-casual-low-intensity-knife-zealot-footage.gif

[toxic leaf]

They’re easy to roll-ish afaik

[flat pebble]

chainsword can be any combination of rampage, savage sweep, wrath, shred, bloodthirsty for a newcomer

[slow spade]

Needs blessings to compete well

[finite imp]

Sometimes when I'm playing as a knife vet I just hold totally still to shake things up

[south garnet]

I changed my quote because I did it wrong but I'm not deleting the incorrect original one

[tall torrent]

Tac axe is either “this is insane” or “I’m kissing the floor”
There’s no in-between

[finite imp]

There is no universe where a knife vet isn't on drugs

[slow spade]

Indeed

[tall torrent]

And tac axe is also pretty absurd to roll

[terse idol]

I do think dclaw is bettah for newbies to learn attack patterns

[south garnet]

thank god the knife vet can now be a literal junkie

[slow spade]

Axes are really funny as they're like on the brink of being shit AND op as fuck

[terse idol]

And push comes to shove they can learn how to parry a crusher overhead

[toxic leaf]

Oh is it? I thought it wanted some common blessings

[terse idol]

Or rager combos

[finite imp]

You have to be a lunatic to walk past things like the chain sword and devils claw and pick up the knife and go yeah this one

[south garnet]

combat axes are the blackberries of darktide

[terse idol]

When your Rashad rolled poor so you can't one shot ragers

Sadge

[timid otter]

The zealots made me pick up knife on every class.

[tall torrent]

U need unarmored + flak perks while having brutal momentum (mandatory) and headtaker or shred depending on whether you’re more crit focused or not

[timid otter]

Sometimes you just need options to keep up with them.

[toxic leaf]

I see

[finite imp]

Can I post a mind stealer dragon I just finished painting for DND or naw

[slow spade]

I remember when powersword had 3 charged attacks by default and every recommendation was "use a powersword"

[toxic leaf]

No wonder I haven’t had a good time with axes

[slow spade]

At least its more varied now

[slow spade]

Yeah you NEED to optimize it

[finite imp]

They need to buff axe cleave so bad

[elder vessel]

Got time for that build?

[finite imp]

It's a FUCKING AXE

[tall torrent]

And tac axe kills melee elites pretty slow without crits

[south garnet]

vet channel is actually the general, general chat is politics, ogryn chat is for talking about darktide gameplay, zealot chat is for talking about stuff you want to have sex with

[finite imp]

One sec

[south spindle]

Chainsword honestly

[south garnet]

so go ahead

[south spindle]

At worst you get two cleave blessings

[finite imp]

Ah it won't let me

[south spindle]

At best, Shred/Rampage

[finite imp]

Weird

[serene sage]

i should be in Zealot chat 🤔 why am i here

[tall torrent]

Same thoughts here
Simple lights
Simple heavies
As long as they’re not using mk13 (new one) they’re fine

[south garnet]

oh and psyker channel is the actual theorycraft channel. other than psyker chat there is no theorycraft talk

[slow spade]

To think chainsword is now the noob friendly weapon

Times have really changed

[finite imp]

Well whatever

[south spindle]

Is new one bad? I havent got round to getting one worth using yet

[tall torrent]

New one has a goofy moveset imo

[south spindle]

Aight bet, now i deffo want one

[flat pebble]

spending time in that chat will remind you of your past decisions why you don’t spend time in that chat

[south garnet]

I want the new chaxe

[finite imp]

its already changed since i posted it literally an hour ago

so lemme get you new screens

[tall torrent]

The new one has 2 strikedown heavies to start and the light attacks don’t have as horizontal swipes

[elder vessel]

Nice

[tall torrent]

Old one has the most balanced moveset imo

[south spindle]

Hmm, weird

[slow spade]

Honestly I spend a lot of time in Vet chat to learn the things I never try

[south garnet]

:^)

[finite imp]

came here for the meta, stayed to make fun of the meta

[tall torrent]

U can do safe single target with L -> push attack -> L for decent dmg (2 overhead strikedowns + 1 stab)

[serene sage]

I spend time in Vet chat to ask about things I want to try and then go on playing the same build for 4 hours.

[finite imp]

be like water

[slow spade]

Like I never would have guessed Rashad was one of the best melee weapons

[south spindle]

Might run it on Weap'Spec' then with Flechette/Manstopper LB

[serene sage]

Stuck in the sewage?

[slow spade]

Or that shotguns were viable

[south garnet]

I have this tattooed on one of my collar bones

[elder vessel]

Shotguns were always viable

[south garnet]

I wish I were joking

[serene sage]

They are?

[slow spade]

Without being carried

[tall torrent]

And on heresy new players don’t rly need to worry abt learning how to solo 12 ragers or fight 6 crushers at the same time

[slow spade]

With optimized rolls

[slow spade]

Next update

[serene sage]

Ew

[slow spade]

"Reduced elite spawns"

[south spindle]

The above setup fucks pretty hard

[serene sage]

I want the old AI director back

[nimble sentinel]

AIGHT THIS MIGHT BE A BIT NUTTY

[south spindle]

Dump special shell into horde, everything evaporates

[serene sage]

Now that they nerfed Ragers

The game feels a little empty sometimes

[slow spade]

A weapon Specialist columbus 🤔

[tall torrent]

I think ragers are balanced ok rn

[serene sage]

Just a bit

[slow spade]

Ragers are in 1-shot range for plasma

[south garnet]

1,000%

[slow spade]

I'm happy

[elder vessel]

Christopher Columbus

[tall torrent]

The real cancer is the “bugged?” fire dmg + bulwark phalanxes

[slow spade]

Indeed UwU

[south spindle]

They were anyway

[slow spade]

Ah I meant on body

[wanton dawn]

Yeah sure, with the current state of flamer and bomber

[slow spade]

Headshots with plasma are basically always doom

[flat pebble]

he can’t keep getting away with this

[mystic nimbus]

fckit..

[serene sage]

Knife?

[finite imp]

KNIFE

[hoary stratus]

3 psykers???

[slow spade]

:c

[serene sage]

Ew

[finite imp]

PSYCHO MANTIS?

[slow spade]

I wonder if assail is still useful

[tall torrent]

3 Psyker teams are either the smoothest or the most chaotic

[slow spade]

I know my bro uses it in auric maelstroms

[finite imp]

well if you can tell from the score board I hard carried their asses

[serene sage]

Yeah

[copper pine]

Assail is still useful

You just can't only use it anymore

[slow spade]

Iirc my bro uses it to stagger bulwarks

[elder vessel]

Nice

Thank you

[finite imp]

np

don 't listen to the critics they're all nerds

[slow spade]

But never talked about how it performed outside of trick shots

[finite imp]

that build is forged from cold hard success

[wanton dawn]

You can carry with 300k dmg ?

[slow spade]

300k on poxwalkers 💪💪💪💪💪💪

[finite imp]

see don't listen to them they're just jealous that I've been chatting up babes on the internet all day long

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-dynamite-mustache-peace-out-gif-16955119

[serene sage]

Knife is good

[terse idol]

What yall think on the new knife?

I like the versatility

[serene sage]

I have 100% win rate with it on Sedition

[terse idol]

I just have to do a weird combo to squeeze out the horizontals

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-woody-everywhere-toy-toy-story-gif-17059600

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, the only knife I like are the one I put on my hellbore barrel

[terse idol]

Or.... left, click Heavy, Left click

[tall torrent]

I think moveset better than old one but it’s still a knife and horde clear is bad (compared to other melee weapons)

[slow spade]

Same

[terse idol]

Yeahh

It can't really compete with say heavy sword

[finite imp]

jesus

[tall torrent]

I don’t trust knife vets who don’t use shredder frags

[serene sage]

UwU

[terse idol]

Me as I use Smoke grenade

[slow spade]

OwO

[terse idol]

😌

[nimble sentinel]

so, um...

problem

[wanton dawn]

Outplayed

[terse idol]

Easy extraction

[nimble sentinel]

clearly it's the columnus' fault

[terse idol]

If your team can beat it

[plush kernel]

your guy tried to leave the mission early

[tall torrent]

I tried the new mk3 shovel but I went back to Rashad cuz the shovel’s unyielding dmg is just nowhere the same

[terse idol]

I mean its okay, imo at least I feel like I can reliably one shot ragers

[stray storm]

Worth it? Got it from a Haz 5 mission

[terse idol]

Two shot crushers

[tall torrent]

Rashad 2 overheads bulwark and reapers
Mk3 shovel takes like 3 folded overhead heavies to kill a reaper

[serene sage]

sir this is Darktide, DRG is the other way

[terse idol]

I gotta see...

[tall torrent]

Harvest blaze away

[terse idol]

Other blessings...

[midnight mortar]

Haz 5?

Also, bricked.

May as well take blaze off it.

[tall torrent]

I had uncanny + skullcrusher so that’s not a bad dps roll

[terse idol]

Gary was in the dorf mines a little too long

[tall torrent]

Still kills unyielding really slow

[cursive goblet]

I had that happen, and was left hanging for a while before it just had me die

[nimble sentinel]

they were using a recon

[lofty lintel]

how is the mk12 infantry lasgun better than the other marks?

[terse idol]

I got limb splitter but maybe that aint ideal

[serene sage]

block em

[stray storm]

Listen I keep forgetting the mission names so that’s my go to

[midnight mortar]

It's "better" in the sense that if you're good at headshotting it has a slightly faster TTK.

[nimble sentinel]

AIGHT SO MAYBE THE COLUMNUS IS A TAD BIT BUSTED

[serene sage]

but sir you lost

boob team

noob

[nimble sentinel]

success actually

[tall torrent]

Lasgun enjoyer after magdumping Columnus IAG for 1 game:

[midnight mortar]

The other Kantrael lasgun marks are still viable in DPS, but slightly slower than the XII in TTK.

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107

[copper pine]

It has better breakpoints, but lower dps than the other 2

[lofty lintel]

isnt the mk12 with deadly accurate basically a helbore

[midnight mortar]

Flashbacks of the patch 13 VId

[lofty lintel]

a better one because it shoots faster

[terse idol]

Wait you even took weapon spec

[tall torrent]

MG12 with EXE stance can 1 shot most enemies with headshots with very high sustained gun up-time

[midnight mortar]

No. Helbores have charged damage to deal with carapace. The XII does not.

[serene sage]

crackhead build

[lofty lintel]

ah

[terse idol]

I GOT MY THEORY, I'm gonna run marksman on it

[finite imp]

Weapon spec is based

[nimble sentinel]

I never even bothered to check my columnus stats lopl

[tall torrent]

MG12 without EXE stance is basically not worth running imo

[terse idol]

It is, for single target heavy hitting weapons

[serene sage]

well do it now

[nimble sentinel]

okay so this isn't a terrible roll

[hybrid river]

🤢

[wanton dawn]

65% stopping power

[serene sage]

with that stopping pwer?

[tall torrent]

You can’t really effectively run MG12 on VoC because you’d need to go marksman keystone and get really high stacks to get the same 1 shot breakpoints and you’re playing turret so much that you might as well just go EXE in the first place

[nimble sentinel]

for taking the first grey columnus that fell in my lap to a damnation match, yes that is not a bad roll

[south garnet]

all those weapons and curios left un-hovered and those "new item" lights lit up for every item in every category AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA