veteran-class

[serene sage]

Honestly shoehorning entirely into one side is generally sub optimal

And yeah try Krak nade or Frag instead

[bold ibex]

if I did, do you really think I'd be playing Darktide as an adult?

[wanton dawn]

Stop insulting us indirectly plz

[kind scarab]

Hasn't stopped me

[wanton dawn]

Ppl ig start calling me out on my lvl now

[kind scarab]

Imagine thinking you can't be successful and still play videogames

that's some 9-5 mentality right there

[serene sage]

For some reasons this gives me the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy vibe

Moments like these I wish I had listened to my Mother
Why what did she say?
I don't know, I didn't listen.

[bold ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[dusty ferry]

My brain fails to comprehend what I read

Ogryn moment

[somber adder]

Which can be quite deadly when applied to the jugular

[somber adder]

Fair

Hmm

I’ll do some reworking

[dusty ferry]

As long as you dont get hit much you should be fine
But at the least I would like the 50% resist on 75%+ DR

[cosmic crag]

coac

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, balanced tree ftw

[hazy comet]

does anyone have problems with plasma gun not emitting sound when shooting

[wanton dawn]

Known issue

[bold ibex]

tbf, as long as you don't shoehorn into the left side of the tree you'll be 'fine

full focus exec stance vet is just bad juju in most situations

[forest scaffold]

its due to ping

but yeah, like craime said, known issue

[odd sparrow]

Finally a balanced vet build

[hazy comet]

literally unplayable

[zealous wyvern]

that is kind of unplayable if it is always the case

guns that do not make noise are not fun and games need to be fun

[forest scaffold]

I played with it just fine

so uh

clearly not unplayable

😉

[versed merlin]

[placid portal]

Ghost hits 2 times in a row with helbore

[tardy turtle]

Feelsbad

[placid portal]

Might as well give up fighting

[loud hazel]

hey guys.. I was wondering does the Veteran also get the 10% base damage boost with the Covering Fire talent or is it just allies

[placid portal]

only allies

So shoot em down for the team

[near sable]

post yer agrippina revolvers

[placid portal]

mine's crap

[near sable]

ive just been using my zarona for boss damage and wracked up 75k a game or so ago

i need the spicy fanfire one mag a boss

where is josho when you need him

[zealous wyvern]

agripinaa

right?

[junior needle]

Back in yonder day it was just your allies, but you can test it in the psyk very easily. If you get a buff then it's working. But it probably doesn't.

[whole moon]

lol my mission was all going so well, until the team felt they didnt need coherency and VoC, match ended in 8 seconds

[near sable]

right

[junior needle]

Just remember that spraying into hordes instead of engaging in glorious melee combat is a sin in the eyes of the immortal Emperor

[zealous wyvern]

what

that is lame i hope you made that up

[near sable]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18cytdi/achlys_tl_heavy_stubber_pbb_blue_stim_ogryns/

0:35, for your consideration

[sleek cairn]

alright wuts up ppl

is it time for plasma n revolver praise

[near sable]

post yer crucian trickshooter or woe upon ye

[zealous wyvern]

why

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/viktorbg-gif-25283495

[sleek cairn]

aw yeah

its funny cuz i dont even shoot that often

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-revolver-ocelot-snake-metal-gear-gif-20687679

[sleek cairn]

but the guns are just more fun to discuss

[placid portal]

Ew trickshot

[patent valley]

how new revolver feels like*

[flint garden]

so like is the only point of the new revolver the funny boss one mag

[near sable]

no its just cqc revolver

[placid portal]

The YeeHaw cannon

[flint garden]

the lack of cleave feels so bad

[near sable]

you lose damage and the penetration

but this is the price of .357

[forest scaffold]

this is quite possibly the most even stat spread I've ever seen in a match so far

[placid portal]

Still kills crushers in 3 shots

With Handcannon

[forest scaffold]

victor would've been higher but late join

[near sable]

i need to one mag bosses with the agrippiner

[forest scaffold]

our previous veteran ragequit the second he died

[placid portal]

rip

[forest scaffold]

notable, because thats the first one I've seen since patch 13

but yeah

[placid portal]

Prefer contemplating my poor life decisions in respawn

[forest scaffold]

recon lasguns far from "unusably dogshit"

just

"solid"

Well, the 7a anyway

[placid portal]

is it?

[forest scaffold]

I wouldn't wish the mk2 or mk6d on anyone

[forest scaffold]

bottom of the scoreboard

[sleek cairn]

looking at how late victor joined, u'd think the ragequitter left at the last phase

[forest scaffold]

you can see the weapons we used

[placid portal]

[forest scaffold]

as soon as we got done with the uh

You know the second set of subrails

on chasm station

with the drop down?

[sleek cairn]

Ragequit right before extraction? real shit. they must think they're so cool

[forest scaffold]

he died at the drop down

after the zealot and I had dropped

[placid portal]

oh

[forest scaffold]

And he just insta-rage quit

Ogryn did ogryn things and accidentally pressed F into a special group

he took his death like a champ

[placid portal]

Glorious death in battle

[forest scaffold]

the veteran that tried to save him. . . not so much

[zealous wyvern]

what blessings and perks?

[forest scaffold]

The IDEAL blessing combination is headhunter+dum dum

[zealous wyvern]

i still need to try recon without being severaly let down

[forest scaffold]

mine is uh

[placid portal]

Dum Dum? No more infernus?

[sleek cairn]

i mean, if he tried to save him n died. i'd just accept getting carried for a few minutes

[forest scaffold]

this

[zealous wyvern]

i assume infernus was to stack onslaught?

[forest scaffold]

TTK

[sleek cairn]

is getting carried so hard to accept for ppl

[forest scaffold]

treat it like survivalist 2.0

[sleek cairn]

its a free ride

[forest scaffold]

It saves you just enough ammo per enemy

that its basically like saving 3-6 ammo per kill

so its functioning like survivalist but only for yourself

Infernus is just a meme

[placid portal]

Sucks when you're the last man standing

I pray for empra to preserve me to save team

XPPP

[forest scaffold]

I dunno

for an auric hi-stg

[forest scaffold]

I think my team did fine

[placid portal]

Esp when I don't have Voice or Infiltrate and use Exe

[forest scaffold]

Not really the average stat spread and all that

[placid portal]

[forest scaffold]

I mean, yeah.

[zealous wyvern]

so infernus is a meme?

[forest scaffold]

That's the biggest problem with veteran right now.

He's fucking DOGSHIT at taking damage

[near sable]

always has been

[forest scaffold]

Voice of Command doesn't count

if that's your ONLY source of tanking

[near sable]

giant veteran voc

[forest scaffold]

and iron will being conditional is pain

[placid portal]

Out for blood is not taken for granted

[forest scaffold]

Yes.

[placid portal]

[sleek cairn]

you're right about mitigation. however vet is pretty good at toughness regen

[near sable]

ate infernus

[zealous wyvern]

hmm

thank you very much

[placid portal]

only if you cap elites

[near sable]

ate dot on the precise and lethal class

[forest scaffold]

exhi takedown

[placid portal]

at that time I killed Elites

[sleek cairn]

what about middle keystone and right side keystone users? that has toughness regen on both

[forest scaffold]

I quit trying to ads with my recon lasgun about halfway through

[placid portal]

Tag Elite/specials only

[forest scaffold]

and just used it as a source of toughness regen in the middle of hordes

[placid portal]

[forest scaffold]

to keep up iron will

[sleek cairn]

true

[forest scaffold]

Veteran could really use melee toughness regen

[sleek cairn]

idunno im a filthy rightside tree user

[forest scaffold]

I know this is right here

[placid portal]

Out for blood was that bandaid

[forest scaffold]

bumping you from 5% to 8.5%

[gusty sonnet]

Well tbf, the average darktide player doesnt launch DT to have a "free ride" experience

[forest scaffold]

but holy god could he use some real melee toughness regen

[sleek cairn]

so they prefer ragequit past the halfway point of a mission? that's nutty man

[placid portal]

I misread that as, 'Out of Blood, so gimmie yours'

[near sable]

melee finesse kills on vet should have a feat to recover more

[forest scaffold]

I don't like how shoehorned into VOC you are if you wanna actually not just die to the slightest breeze

[gusty sonnet]

oh, then IDK

[forest scaffold]

its really annoying

[near sable]

and invertedly make you weaker to the heretic shock troops

[junior needle]

Got changed this patch. Dots no longer stack it.

[zealous wyvern]

NOOOOO

[patent valley]

this doesnt allow u to get 3.5% toughness on ranged kills right?

[zealous wyvern]

my bleed bayonet

[forest scaffold]

I mean, infernus has always been kind of a meme

[near sable]

YEEEEEEES

[zealous wyvern]

and shovel

[forest scaffold]

it does

[zealous wyvern]

NOOOOOOOO

[forest scaffold]

its literally any kill

[placid portal]

Bleed does work on onslaught ye?

[patent valley]

oh really, gotcha

[forest scaffold]

melee or shooty

[zealous wyvern]

No

[forest scaffold]

I like exhi takedown more

[patent valley]

time to add that node into my tough vet build

[zealous wyvern]

they cannot do this

[forest scaffold]

cause its also damage reduction on top of toughness regen

[zealous wyvern]

man

[forest scaffold]

30% damage reduction goes a long way

Ah

you know

Everyone else should be nerfed

Instead of veteran buffed

[zealous wyvern]

onslaught stacking from dots was the only reason to have dot

[forest scaffold]

But unironically

Conditional Damage Reduction should be the name of the game

[near sable]

where's my fucking skitarii

[zealous wyvern]

why are they ruining everything

[placid portal]

I used Agripinaa Yeehaw so I was stressed and cant aim well

[forest scaffold]

it shouldn't be so easy to be so invulnerable on ogryn and zealot

[placid portal]

[sleek cairn]

ruining? vet has only been upgraded for the last 4 patches

[near sable]

[forest scaffold]

No

Vet was only upgraded in carnival pt2

[placid portal]

This patch is the real upgrade

[forest scaffold]

it was a very solid downgrade from patch 12

[placid portal]

Best ever is

[forest scaffold]

in patch 13

like, a HUGE nerf

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/upgrades-robots-gif-21291099

[forest scaffold]

that was totally uncalled for

[zealous wyvern]

obviously not everything. i am being dramatic

[sleek cairn]

patch 13 counts as a nerf u are right

[forest scaffold]

and vet's tree is still full of bloat

which is really annoying

[sleek cairn]

i meant 13 onwards i guess

[zealous wyvern]

so one patch

[sleek cairn]

atleast they're putting in effort to look at us extensively; so there's that

[near sable]

pretty inspired considering our poor veterans would be among the more susceptible to heresy

[placid portal]

oh well I'm fighting for Money

[near sable]

full of nurgles bloat

[sleek cairn]

every few weeks i had to change my skill tree lol

[forest scaffold]

But yeah, if you're looking for something different than the mainstream solutions to matches, the mk7a recon lasgun is definitely there asking for you to use it.

[sleek cairn]

cuz they kept adjusting things

[zealous wyvern]

if they take dot onslaught away, they should really buff dot damage though

[forest scaffold]

I'd put it at uh, a high B.

[sleek cairn]

this is absolutely true.

[placid portal]

DoT damage do be a mixed bag

[near sable]

me after spending 16 hours in the psykanium for five loadouts to have them vaporized a day later

[zealous wyvern]

you need either mechanics or dps from it

[sleek cairn]

vaporized for the better!

[zealous wyvern]

right it is just nothing shame

[winter dock]

Hey all, I got a pretty good build for peeps to try out. Its a recon lasgun build that doesn't suck ass. In fact, its really really good. I don't have the screenshot, but I nabbed a top damage board with 650k damage, 67 ranged elites, and 92 melee, just shy of 800 lesser kills. A number of these are the new shovel, but I used the gun for the vast majority of the match.

The gun is the Accatran Mk VIIa Recon Lasgun. Running Headhunter/Dumdum. It is slow to kill armor, but it can do it- prolly best to rely on teammates who can do it faster, or a strong anti-armor melee like the chainaxes or the fold shovel, but it wont fail you in a pinch.

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/dammaz-kron-dwarf-gif-27703552

[sleek cairn]

cool thank you for sharing. i hope nobody is toxic or criticizes you here

kudos to your bravery

[near sable]

we love a good dumdum headhunter

[winter dock]

Its only big weakness is ammo. I had the luxury of a team that was generally very ammo efficient, this thing will drink it like water

[forest scaffold]

lmao. Two recon 7a shills

I dig it

Let us join together brother

and start a church

We are legally not a cult.

[near sable]

heresy

https://tenor.com/view/colonel-tavington-the-patriot-redcoat-shooting-revolutionary-war-gif-25646681

[timid otter]

Baddd

[junior needle]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[placid portal]

blessed be the holy Kantrael Pattern

[sleek cairn]

oh no the criticism is here. you will be tested @winter dock Survive.

Do your best

[placid portal]

I do not use it

simple as

[winter dock]

Difficult was Auric Damnation, btw. Standard hiSTG but there was a frankly stupud number of maulers, gunners, shotgunners, and armor ragers near the end on the new map

[forest scaffold]

DO NOT WORRY FOR HE STANDS STRONG WITH ALLIES

[sleek cairn]

idunno they're judging his tree with a magnifying glass

[forest scaffold]

TOGETHER WE WILL CONQUER THIS CHAT AND CONVERT IT TO OUR WAYS

[sleek cairn]

it's over

[winter dock]

and I was basically the one mauling through them all (GET IT)

[near sable]

big fan of mauling

[sleek cairn]

but im glad somebody just shared something to be nice

[timid otter]

Toughness replenishment is bad

[patent valley]

how so wilmy

[junior grail]

Who is shouting louder than Zealots? Lol

[timid otter]

It only affects coherency regen

[patent valley]

well i guess, its only for toughness regen

[winter dock]

but yeah this thing absolutely eviscerates medium and smaller enemies. It'll melt gunners, shotgunners, all specials, and ragers with ease. It can burn through maulers/crushers one at a time at decent pace.

Toughness replen is just a safety thing. If you can get away with not having it then by all means trade the points for more damage

[patent valley]

yea, expected as much

[near sable]

sharing is caring unless your gatekeeping forbidden knowledge that'll get instant nerfed if widely known

[gusty sonnet]

FOR CADIA !

[placid portal]

KILL THE KARKERS

[near sable]

FOR CR E E E E E E E E D

[sleek cairn]

to be fair, the second i saw the tree I had to hold myself back too. I was not being nice internally

[whole moon]

hahaha.. I made a Plotgun.. haha.. get it??
I'll get my coat 😦

[patent valley]

GIVE EM THE OL' KASRKAN DOUBLE TAP

[sleek cairn]

but we shouldnt be like that here in vet chat

gotta have nice thoughts.

[placid portal]

Double barrel shotty for vet when?

[patent valley]

TIL, kasrkan double tap means a shot in the genitals, then in the head

[placid portal]

[winter dock]

the key of the build is the way the marksman keystone works. Turns out its a flat finesse bonus, meaning that the "relative" damage increase it provides is much higher for weapons with low base finesse- such as the Recons. Its main advantage over the infantry autoguns is precision- it has basically 0 recoil and near perfect accuracy, so it can do its thang at basically any distance which is a huge boon against shooters

[placid portal]

iirc Loose cannon learned the groin removal trick from his sergeant

[near sable]

of varying use against spacemarines

[junior needle]

Not so sure about melting, the 7a doesn't have terribly good dps comparatively even with onslaught. It can do ok if you're consistently head clicking and maintaining marksman focus stacks, but at the same time, other guns can do it better without needing that or exe.

[nimble sentinel]

THIS is what peak vet chat performance looks like

[patent valley]

yes, groin gouger

[near sable]

OMG HES HERE

[forest scaffold]

@winter dock this is my take on the recon lasgun build.

[sleek cairn]

holy shit

[placid portal]

ENGINEER KX-%

[near sable]

ENGINSEEER KAYEX MY BELOVED

[whole moon]

I was distracted and read that as 'groin sugar'

[winter dock]

Seems aight to me. Onslaught feels like a big loss- especially against bosses

[placid portal]

why you simp for another tech men

[junior needle]

Onslaught is a huge damage loss against maniacs for sure

[patent valley]

it can be if u want it to be

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-brothersantodes-tts-gif-21032475

[patent valley]

u simp for granny hadron?

[nimble sentinel]

I see you found my online dating profile

[forest scaffold]

I've played ogryn for uh

[placid portal]

no

[whole moon]

I dont know what it is and I dont want it on my cornflakes! 🙂

[near sable]

smooth velvety beats

[forest scaffold]

basically all of darktide's lifespan

[nimble sentinel]

you don't?

[forest scaffold]

I'm used to having "okay at best" melee DPS on bosses

[placid portal]

I simp for the holy Lucius

[forest scaffold]

I'm not gonna shoot one with my gun on vet to remedy that

[near sable]

you could never understand the complex mysteries of the omnissiah

[patent valley]

khorneflakes

[forest scaffold]

and if I really cared, I'd just take power sword

[patent valley]

depends on the blessings

[forest scaffold]

speaking of, my shovel

[sleek cairn]

oh yes, whisper meta things into my ear

[forest scaffold]

I'm just all sorts of not meta on this build

[sleek cairn]

go on puri

[junior needle]

Onslaught works on melee too pal

[forest scaffold]

No I refuse

[placid portal]

Aint she perty

[near sable]

yes yes just put the meta right here

[forest scaffold]

I'm here to use off meta things

and shill them

because I'm tired of matches being too easy

[patent valley]

like inspiring barrage

[forest scaffold]

I need people to lower their power level

and bring back some difficulty to the game

[near sable]

lord general drip when

[placid portal]

Unfathomly based

[nimble sentinel]

Good choice

[sleek cairn]

excuse me, this is #veteran-class .

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-knight-father-bread-boys-crusader-gif-18266778

[forest scaffold]

No, see, Inspiring Barrage is actually giga meta on ogryn

Which is hilarious

[placid portal]

It's quite amazing ngl

[forest scaffold]

on glugger you can generate 598% toughness without reloading

[near sable]

glugger

[forest scaffold]

Which is just fucking nuts

[near sable]

my beloved

[patent valley]

jesus, i see

so should i get it on my fraggin achlys stubby?

[whole moon]

right.. next mission

[sleek cairn]

i actually use smokes on vent purge/power for this effect u want.

[forest scaffold]

YES

[patent valley]

i have a t4 sittin idly

[timid otter]

This is the true recon build

[near sable]

glugger when the achyls, ability and blue stim come together

[gusty bison]

Plasma gun atm is the vet's toughness farmer

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-mini-gun-gif-18507819

[placid portal]

[sleek cairn]

im trying to see what picture u drew on ur tree

[gusty bison]

I can get 100+% tou in one shot

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, you can take out for blood

[gusty bison]

Its hilaripus

[forest scaffold]

and get 100% toughness from one shot into a horde

its really fuckin dumb

funny

but dumb

[gusty bison]

I take all 3 toughness bonuses and the middle keystone

[topaz lance]

been running this with old revolver + rashad axe. A lot of fun to be had!

[gusty bison]

I shoot once and with born leader my entire team goes to max tou

Hilarity

[patent valley]

overwhelimg or blaze away as secondary, or do u have another suggestion like charmed reload?

[near sable]

I firmly believe in having absolutely zero regard for my personal safety and put everything into damage

[forest scaffold]

Nobody ever stays in coherency for me

[gusty bison]

Vet's tou farm build hilarious lmao

[sleek cairn]

do u play paladin classes in MMOs or something

[forest scaffold]

Overwhelming Fire+Inspiring Barrage on Glugger Achlys

and then +5% crit chance and 25% flak

as the ideal spread of player choices

[junior needle]

[echo parcel]

1 Roll left on this, what would you change?

[patent valley]

fk 60 plasteel off

[placid portal]

Raking

[forest scaffold]

pain

we know that feeling

hit a low int damnation

on regular board

and scoop up 850 plasteel

[forest scaffold]

should take about 15-20 minutes

depending on map

[patent valley]

with my teammates, we gon suck

[forest scaffold]

sadge, no crit chance or maniac

oh well

I have a plethora of 3/4 weapons

is not bricked

[patent valley]

yea, but best one i have so far

[forest scaffold]

just slightly off optimal

[forest scaffold]

You want my glugger build too?

I can go grab it real quick

[patent valley]

i dont see why not

[forest scaffold]

Its unfathomably based

[sleek cairn]

time to run something. lets see, am i feeling meta or meta today hmm

[forest scaffold]

literally just turret mode, the build

[patent valley]

inspiring is based

[gusty bison]

No.

I just find it funny to have max blue bar across the team

[timid otter]

Glugger with achlys is broken in power.

[patent valley]

u run triple toughness curio?

[timid otter]

I doubt its even fun to use for multiple games.

[gusty bison]

It also burns ammo super fast

So like

U gotta ammo hog

[forest scaffold]

I've used it for a month straight

or something like that

Its fun as fuck to delete whole maps by yourself

but I need a change of pace

which is why offmeta veteran

[sleek cairn]

have u ever seen ur teammates give u the glare when u pick up ammo

[forest scaffold]

let me feel what pain is again

[placid portal]

+3 stamina curio is one helluva drug

[forest scaffold]

[placid portal]

[patent valley]

i tanked 5 ragers as a psyker thanks to triple triple stam curio

[gusty bison]

Yea. Achlys basically requires 3 teammates to feed and support u xD

[placid portal]

Not often bc I use lasweapons

[sleek cairn]

u guys make me feel icky

ugh, what is this vet nonsense

[patent valley]

think that's just how long u havent been bathin

[placid portal]

Basically ww2 german squad tactics, 1 machinegunner 3 riflemen carrying ammo for the gunner

[sleek cairn]

back to melee'ing only

[forest scaffold]

here we go

I know I know

scoreboard nonsense

But if you get to eat all the ammo on the map

you get to do all the damage on the map

[sleek cairn]

you know, vets will spite u by shooting plasmas into regular hordes over n over

farming scoreboard

and taking ur ammo

[forest scaffold]

That's literally never happened

[sleek cairn]

haha im just joking

[forest scaffold]

Everyone is super happy to feed me all the ammo

cause I turn situations from dangerous to empty

[wanton dawn]

Except he did more in melee than they did in ranged

[forest scaffold]

and they can see that

[forest scaffold]

[near sable]

it has happened, it's me I'm the one shooting horde with the revolver

[sleek cairn]

are u a filthy right tree user tho

[placid portal]

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, i use right tree

and uh

the swap talent

[near sable]

sir I only use left tree

[forest scaffold]

way up at the top half

[placid portal]

Revolver + knife + infiltrate right tree

[forest scaffold]

which gives you 25% damage on other weapon

so I'll one tap a poxwalker

swap back to power sword

[topaz lance]

Vets will:

• use recon las and shoot hordes
• bind tag to left mouse for focus target keystone
• shoot everything with a revolver (that's me btw)

[sleek cairn]

when i say right tree, i mean all the way down

[near sable]

primarily because I'm too fuckin lazy to make my loadouts again

[forest scaffold]

and get giga damage+attack speed

[sleek cairn]

@near sable well i forgive u if u use ur revolver on regular enemies to proc weapon specialist

[forest scaffold]

Frankly, right side keystone could probably use a nerf

[sleek cairn]

sometimes that 15% melee aspd is helpful

[near sable]

the regular enemy was within shooting range

[forest scaffold]

make it so melee specialist stacks like ranged

so you can't just shoot an enemy once

and get all the melee buffs

its really fucking stupid

that shit should ramp based on the amount of gun work you're doing

[near sable]

shshhhhhh

[sleek cairn]

@forest scaffold nonono noooooo dont say these things. keep the nodes unnerfed

[forest scaffold]

not immediately reward you for killing one poxwalker

[sleek cairn]

why would u even say this, go away to ogryn chat

[forest scaffold]

[forest scaffold]

IM HERE TO MAKE THE GAME HARDER

AND THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME

[near sable]

YES THERE IS

[sleek cairn]

You're here to ruin the exact nodes i use. off with you

[placid portal]

there is one way

"WHOOPS ALL RAGERS"

[near sable]

ill post a disapproving cat

[forest scaffold]

That is the biggest "fuck you" to every vet build

[placid portal]

+Revert HP nerf

[near sable]

that'll show you

[forest scaffold]

ragers are just annoying to fight in melee

they outreach everything but uh

[sleek cairn]

my revolver can't go back to the days without weapon specialist

[forest scaffold]

Eviscerator, Crusher

and like

[sleek cairn]

i dont want to reload my revolver ever again

[forest scaffold]

ogryn weapons?

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shoot-harrison-ford-nope-gif-11523430

[forest scaffold]

I mean yeah, rager's WHOLE design is to be solved with guns

[placid portal]

Me with Yeehaw gun

[forest scaffold]

which is really fucking stupid

[slow canyon]

which scoreboard mod/ settings do you use? If I use ANYTHING other than the default one, it all goes poopoopeepee

[near sable]

too busy abusing focus + revolver with the cowboy walk

[sleek cairn]

i literally replaced my reload button with tapping Q twice lol u remove that from me and my muscle memory can't handle it

i just spin my revolver a few times and i reload 5 bullets lol

[placid portal]

Ragers having 2k HP means I can 1 tap them effectively

[near sable]

[sleek cairn]

retraining myself to use the R button again is pain

[placid portal]

IF ONLY THEIR HEADS WEREN'T SO HARD TO HIT WHEN THEY DO THAT QUICK 90 TURN

[forest scaffold]

I tried ovenproof's scoreboard

I don't like it

Its neat that it separates bleed/fire damage

but the way it lays out information is weird

[slow canyon]

there's just soooo much shit

[stark hollow]

can i still save this

[forest scaffold]

no

[placid portal]

joever

[forest scaffold]

You want flak/maniac/thrust/headtaker/slaughterer

[slow canyon]

which scorecard mod is that?

[forest scaffold]

that shit is bricked beyond belief

worse off than an ogryn's toilet

[stark hollow]

damn

[slow canyon]

OH RIGHT

[stark hollow]

i thought i could save it with blessings

[placid portal]

Headtaker Slaughter combo is funny

[slow canyon]

the 3 names im dumb, ignore me

[sleek cairn]

@forest scaffold have u ever tried

cuz thats my scoreboard

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

for like

10 months lmao

well

7

I guess

Somewhere around there

[sleek cairn]

and then turning on all the stuff like "times killed, knocked down, damage taken"

[forest scaffold]

I got WAY better as soon as I started understanding my own performance in matches though. I rarely look at my teammates.

I'm just here to make sure my build keeps up with elites/specials

[sleek cairn]

yeesss exactly

[forest scaffold]

everything else is pretty irrelevant

[sleek cairn]

bettering yourself is more important than flexing peepee

[forest scaffold]

Like yeah

[sleek cairn]

but i stil stare at the guy who takes liek 5k dmg in a match with 5 rescues

[forest scaffold]

my 910k damage ogryn scoreboard is funny

and like, I will admit I get dopamine from sharing those

[bold ibex]

I'm thinking.... maybe... replace infested enemies with Maniac and ghost with dumdum4?

[forest scaffold]

but 99% of the time I'm just using it to improve my builds

[near sable]

ghost 3

[sleek cairn]

gasp* you heathen

[forest scaffold]

I'm a dopamine addict like every other human

For that, I will not apologize.

Only work on making it less problematic.

As should we all.

[sleek cairn]

more like exhibitionist. You get off of this stuff

"wanna go back to my place and see my scoreboard?"

[forest scaffold]

That's just dopamine addict with a big word

[sleek cairn]

pfft

[forest scaffold]

lmao

[sleek cairn]

pls reply i sent u scoreboard pics

[forest scaffold]

The scoreboard update to let me see this is weird though

Its hard to visualize what a 75% winrate is

but uh

now I can

[timid otter]

I do not need scoreboard to know i am doing better then the pubbies

[forest scaffold]

I don't know that this should be possible though.

[timid otter]

I am better:

[forest scaffold]

I think its kind of endemic with the problems of Darktide right now.

Everything has been powercrept through the roof.

[bold ibex]

it is finished and feels good man.

[forest scaffold]

And a large part of that is toughness damage reduction/toughness regeneration

[placid portal]

Something feels off when I don't see hit markers when shooting

[timid otter]

Is this an ogryn speaking?

[near sable]

commissar's special

[forest scaffold]

I mean

[near sable]

good for shooting deserters

[forest scaffold]

I just posted my last like

40 games

[placid portal]

New customization mod somehow don't show hit markers while ADS

[forest scaffold]

and the last 10 or so are on veteran

[placid portal]

wtf

[forest scaffold]

so bleh

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-bleh-cat-spinning-cat-bleeeh-gif-27228826

[forest scaffold]

The problem is true on everyone.

Way too much damage reduction and toughness regen

Its boring

Fatshark please nerf

I don't mind everyone being gigadamage output lol it never stops

but the tradeoff for that HAS to be no tankiness

[bold ibex]

how'd you know.

I'm still salty they released the hat first then released the rest of the comissar set as a bundle... but after buying the hat i couldn't get it D:

[forest scaffold]

But that choice doesn't exist for anyone but veteran

and everyone goes VoC anyway

because why the fuck wouldn't you

it makes you functionally invulnerable

[nimble sentinel]

at least you got it in black, it's hard to match the red cap with the piss coat

[sleek cairn]

its true VoC is godlike

i use it even when i sneeze by accident

[bold ibex]

oh the bundle one is red? Eww.

[sleek cairn]

even if i get bit of spidey sense going, i press it right away for no reason

[forest scaffold]

It really just needs to act like 50 more toughness

that's it

change it to that

and it's WAY less problematic

[sleek cairn]

noo i want the reduction iron will and all the goodies

[forest scaffold]

This whole "eating a sniper shot with zero hp damage" or crusher overhead or burster is just

[nimble sentinel]

if they bring back exe stance toughness damage reduction I'd be so happy

[forest scaffold]

not good for the health of the game, or choice making in veteran's tree

[nimble sentinel]

my agri brauto got so dusty

[bold ibex]

this is what a comissar should look like. no exceptions.

[sleek cairn]

I want to press F and win game OK?

let me press my F

[forest scaffold]

No

[sleek cairn]

i've gone so many matches forgetting I even had a gun on vet lol

[forest scaffold]

People need to be afraid of poxwalkers again

let alone everything else in this game

Make poxwalkers scary

[sleek cairn]

puri's right though, i dont even need a gun anymore

[forest scaffold]

and everything else, by nature of the nerfs to players to make that happen

becomes WAY scarier

[nimble sentinel]

it's not MY fault they weren't made in teh God Emperor's image

[muted yarrow]

Ah I remember it as it was yesterday

[timid otter]

Poxies do be looking more like the current god emperor tbh.

[timid otter]

They look far more dead then our rejects do.

[placid portal]

minus the thorns sticking out

and the rotting

[forest scaffold]

I mean, I guess my point is that even a skaven slave in VT2 will obliterate you if you're playing dumb

and darktide just doesn't have that kind of threat to it anymore

You just faceroll keyboard and win

[sleek cairn]

it's funny cuz recently i started muting my game and listening to music while i play. with the sniper nerf, i really just slide around without a care in the world.

[timid otter]

Biggest threats are monstrosity’s, Zealots.

[sleek cairn]

i dont care if i dont hear a special anymore

[forest scaffold]

No

Fire

Fire is the only threat left outside of trappers

Literally two things are truly dangerous to players

[muted yarrow]

Lucky for us a majority is playing dumb

[forest scaffold]

that's it

I mean yeah

I still take dumb deaths as veteran

[nimble sentinel]

I hate to say it but...skill issue?

[forest scaffold]

cause the whole "don't get touched" thing is super new

[sleek cairn]

oh shit VT2 is bonkers tho

[forest scaffold]

I'm used to zealot and ogryn

[nimble sentinel]

we're the saltiest tryhards we're great at the game

[forest scaffold]

Where you can just take chip damage all day long

[sleek cairn]

cant u just let darktide be a casual game where i can play on mute n listen to music

[forest scaffold]

so the fact that one hit breaks Iron Will on veteran is uh

spoopy

[sleek cairn]

after a tiring day at work

hmm, hold down lmb, win. i like that puri

[timid otter]

Im sure there are solutions anyways if u think the game is easy

Play duos, play with bad people, play terrible maelstroms

[forest scaffold]

I'm literally playing veteran with a recon lasgun and old pooper scooper

good stuff btw

just not revolver or plasma gun

so of course people shit on the mk7a recon lasgun

and you know

[muted yarrow]

I still play the same helbore mk1 I had for 13 month

[sleek cairn]

the pooper scooper is hard carrying u there. let's be fair

[forest scaffold]

I actually had split damage this last match

which was neat

its been a long time since I've had actually 50/50 melee damage/ranged damage

[tardy vine]

Which feats to roll on new chainsword?

[forest scaffold]

rampage/savage sweep/flak/maniac

if doing swappy swappy veteran

rampage/shred

and just lean into critical hit damage for a buff in DPS

[civic bay]

honestly, if your issue with the game is that you're taking zero damage then you're probably too good to be used as a metric for balance lol

[forest scaffold]

Uh

Its not that I'm taking no damage

that's how I play vet

no damage not allowed do not collect 200 dollars

its on ogryn and zealot

where you can take 4000 damage

and still finish a match with 0 downs

[sleek cairn]

this is a true thing lol

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn and Zealot NEED to be nerfed fairly hard

[sleek cairn]

yes good. let the hate flow

not on vet, but on the others

nerf them, never us

[forest scaffold]

I mean

Voice of Command has gotta go

[sleek cairn]

shutup puri

[forest scaffold]

that whole "overtoughness" shield needs to be neutered

to act like 50 more toughness

not total damage prevention

[timid otter]

/mmtimport a79259f1-9240-45eb-a25b-915382d47ddf

Here

[bold ibex]

this is such a breath of fresh air. So many here have their ego wrapped up in "VETERANS ARE JUST AS TANKY AS THEY EVER WERE AND ARE THE TANKIEST CLASS IN THE GAME STILL" so it's nice to see someone not used to spamming vet point this out

[timid otter]

Maelstrom on awful map, modifers.

[crude gazelle]

ngl

[forest scaffold]

@fallow escarp Do you play Project Zomboid

looks like a zomboid moodle

[crude gazelle]

Voice of Command does give a little ego power trip to some veterans out there

[fallow escarp]

I do!!!!!

[forest scaffold]

Voice of Command is outright busted for what it gives veteran

its a complete damage negation for 15 seconds

which is. . . problematic to say the least

and only gets better the harder you go up in difficulty

as specials show up more and more often

to give you faster and faster cooldown times on it

[nimble sentinel]

I got tZomboid back in the early days when their work computers got stolen, I've had a terrible time trying to get into it lol

[sleek cairn]

gross. you're the type to set the whole map to maximum sprinting zombies that uninstall your game when u bump into them

roleplay not necessary, only pain

[forest scaffold]

Ah yeah, here we go.

This shit is dumb

Most of that is power sword

granted

(Which also needs to die)

[fallow escarp]

Whys your scoreboard better

Is there a new scoreboard mod

[sleek cairn]

what will we have left when you're done with us

[astral blade]

Pls don’t call for a nerf for VOC

[forest scaffold]

ACTUAL DIFFICULTY IN THIS RIDICULOUS GAME

[whole moon]

I dunno how you could nerf the PS and still retain its essence

[forest scaffold]

get rid of power cycler

[whole moon]

VoC is beautiful if the fucking team listens

[forest scaffold]

give it the new shovel's oneshot on crushers

on stab attack

buff its base damage to compensate(But only slightly)

[sleek cairn]

Please no puri, i want to zoom through this like path of exile.

every mob exploding in a chain reaction

[untold mulch]

Soo 30% of time

[whole moon]

a one shot charge... hmm.. I dunno. I think thats a bit weak but you know whay my views are worth lol

[forest scaffold]

It leans into power sword's "anti armor" identity

You delete one crusher, mauler, or rager per attack

and that's huge on its own

and use it like a regular melee everywhere else

[gaunt delta]

That’s Malice. Just play on Malice with me

[whole moon]

my last two games were starkly different. first team got cocky endgame and decided they didnt need it, 8s later we all dead. second team we all stuck together like glue, glorius win

[sleek cairn]

wth is malice

i dont know those words in vet chat

[untold mulch]

Is always funny when the team gets cocky

[civic bay]

I'd rather not have yet another weapon special that's just there to help one-shot specials

I actually like the Power Cycler makes the Power Sword woosh through mixed hordes without having to charge every swing

[astral blade]

The last thing we vets need/dont want is more nerfs

[civic bay]

would love that on Illisi

[crude gazelle]

I'm in the wrong difficulty if I don't see a special or elite popping up ever corner.

[forest scaffold]

And that's what makes it mindboggling overpowered my guy

power cycler has gotta fuckin go

its not good for the game

or veteran

[sleek cairn]

technically, nobody wants nerfs. but we have puri being all palpatine on us

[forest scaffold]

as it creates literally zero choice on veteran for melee weapons

[sleek cairn]

we all must die

[untold mulch]

You are in the wrong difficulty if by end of week you are not hearing the audio cues IRL

[forest scaffold]

and it obliterates game balance for everyone else

[whole moon]

you have literally thousands of hours on me here and you advice has built most of a class so I defer to your judgement here.

[forest scaffold]

its incredibly unfun to start attacking a horde

[crude gazelle]

that too lmao

[forest scaffold]

and watch a power sword vet kill it in three attacks

its fucking stupid

[nimble sentinel]

you are allowed to take other weapons, nobody is stopping you from not taking the wish.com lightsaber

[forest scaffold]

its like playing a game with superman

Shits gotta die

[untold mulch]

Csword my beloved

[forest scaffold]

for the sake of balance

[sleek cairn]

he's correct about the power creep; and he wants it more like VT2. which is fair. But i wanted this to be zoom zoom like an ARPG. everything falls down when i sneeze at it

[civic bay]

for the record, I do agree with hitting the things you've mentioned

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/payasoit-scary-clown-gif-17984708

My good sir we don’t need more

[gaunt delta]

Play on a lower difficulty then?

[sleek cairn]

what is this lower difficulty u speak of sir

[untold flame]

Eh, psword isnt that busted, agree on everything else really

[crude gazelle]

I just use AtroxII Tactical Axe

[forest scaffold]

Closer to VT2.

[civic bay]

I'm in favor of hitting the top and and boosting the low rather than the popular "just buff the weak things"

[forest scaffold]

I don't actually want a poxwalker do to 75% of my HP in one hit

[fleet garden]

psword with pc4 is very good

[sleek cairn]

@gaunt delta im not actually being serious, i actually like difficulty lol

[forest scaffold]

But getting the game closer to that "Always on edge" feeling would be a good move.

[sleek cairn]

i just wanted to poke fun at puri cuz im bored

[fleet garden]

im playing with the new chainsword though

[forest scaffold]

And the easiest way to do this is to nerf survivability on players, forcing them to interact with melee enemies differently.

[gaunt delta]

You know, the place where enemies have fewer HP, so you can do what you keep saying you want to do

[crude gazelle]

lol

[forest scaffold]

Tinny's pulling your leg Logo

He's uh

"making a joke"

I believe its called

[civic bay]

I wouldn't be mad if they just made Power Cycler the default but made it more cleave-oriented than damage-oriented

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn not smart

but do catch on

[civic bay]

we already have chain weapons for single-target weapon special

[astral blade]

Puri do us all a favour and stop while your ahead pls

[gaunt delta]

Oof. I dun taken dat bait. It was tasty tho

[whole moon]

I think we floated the idea a little while ago that all the non talent nodes on the trees should only apply in coherency to force it. You still get all your passives IF you stay close

[fleet garden]

shovels feel ok but psword or chainsword

[forest scaffold]

This is just how all of everything should work.

X% damage reduction per member of coherency

+% damage

blablabla

Force people to stick to the team to maximize their build

[sleek cairn]

lol nah, i often do run solo auric maelstroms to practice a long session

[forest scaffold]

and it pretty much kills speedrunners on the spot

when none of their shit is active outside of coherency

[civic bay]

I'd still say you're too good at the game though

[sleek cairn]

im just offering a counterpoint so ppl see why puri is talking this way. PoE is a game i often use to show why powercreep can get out of hand.

[fallow escarp]

Tbh the game really is starting to feel like an ARPG instead of the desperate fight for survival

[whole moon]

speedrunners still have a role there imo.. to hunt the mats out on the edge of coherency, fall back as soon as trouble shows

[sleek cairn]

by naming ARPG's ppl can understand puri better

im not actually against him lol

[civic bay]

the high end players want the game to push them to the limits, and that's fine but also not how most of the community is playing

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, and that's fine.

But this whole "Im gonna fuck off two rooms ahead" thing is uh

[crude gazelle]

man it sure does :\

[forest scaffold]

problematic.

[gaunt delta]

Ah, I have totally missed your point until now

[untold flame]

Thats why there are difficulty levels

[whole moon]

thats diplomatic, fucking rude is how I would phrase it :

[civic bay]

I'm 100% down with making the high difficulties harder, but hitting base balance is a different matter

[forest scaffold]

So forcing people to treat coherency more like a rubber hand tied to their waist would go a long way in inhibiting that style of gameplay

[frank ether]

the AI director is not smart enough to differentiate speedrunning behavior from simply looting the map or moving a room back to get a heal

[sleek cairn]

it doesnt just make the enemy boring; but if you think about it, even for most RPGs, it can make class identity homogenous. Since every class will have a bit of what the other classes have

[forest scaffold]

My therapist told me I need to work on the self hate

[civic bay]

again, though, I do agree that the things Puri mentioned are overtuned

[forest scaffold]

(That's a double layer joke)

(I'm proud of that one)

[frank ether]

just before this patch I died to like 10+ specials spawning on top of me because I dared to fucking grab an ammo tin while my teammates jumped down immediately

[forest scaffold]

That just kinda happens

we take the L and hope we can be rezzed before the fire kills us

[fallow escarp]

Then your teammates probably had the audacity to rage at you for actually grabbing resources I assume

[astral blade]

Jesus Christ are y’all tryna fûck with people who break off from the group’s to flank serious shut up please

[frank ether]

best part is the team blamed me for it afterwards yes

[sleek cairn]

its not like he said "nerf stealth vet"

[civic bay]

they probably couldn't be rezzed because their team jumped down lol

[frank ether]

after I helped kill a DH they woke up

[sleek cairn]

infiltrate is actually fine lol

[astral blade]

Indirectly he did

[crude gazelle]

infiltrate is fun especially with a grenade build

[forest scaffold]

I think I can count on three fingers the amount of people I've seen actually flank in this game.

[timid otter]

I think being forced to stick that close to the team will cause toxicity.

[forest scaffold]

The maps just aren't built for it.

[sleek cairn]

nono, infiltrate really is fine. i dont think puri has anything against infiltrate, it's pretty engaging

[forest scaffold]

Carnival and Not Carnival are the closest.

[fallow escarp]

You can flank and bomb rush a group of enemies without staying away from the team for too long tbh

[frank ether]

I actually kind of agree with you on speedrun behavior needing punishment but I also think doing it through coherency alone doesnt rly work

[timid otter]

There will be alot of fighting over people wanting to move to different areas.

[forest scaffold]

its not really doing it just through coherency though.

[frank ether]

that includes agressive enemy spawns when you leave coherency

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[forest scaffold]

Its tying all of the best buffs to coherency.

[crude gazelle]

Man the people I see flanking play like their doing a solo maelstrom run

[fallow escarp]

I use stealth to just disrupt ranged enemies and then after they're dead I just run back

[timid otter]

I personally can already say that i hate sticking always in coherency

[forest scaffold]

So you still get the buffs, and would hopefully get some nominal stand alone buffs

[crude gazelle]

and then die

[forest scaffold]

(Like exhi takedown on veteran)

(Or out for blood)

but the truly powerful stuff should only proc in coherency

to force people to rely on their team more

[astral blade]

Puri shut up please

[crude gazelle]

I use stealth on foggy and dark maps :D

[sleek cairn]

AND smokes. right

tell me u use smokes on vent purge/power

make me hard

grab the 30s duration too

[fallow escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/slowly-turning-emoji-gif-23679616

[crude gazelle]

[astral blade]

Christ sakes man I don’t wanna be that one guy but for those of us who play solo that shit just won’t fly

[untold mulch]

Yep, pop infiltrate, rush the enemy lines, break them, go back

[frank ether]

I think what you want would work better in a slower paced game puri

[modern crescent]

real gamers play the new map just to smoke the smokey room

[fleet garden]

why

[forest scaffold]

I literally only play Solo wolf

[fleet garden]

are you discussing coherency stuff

[frank ether]

when DT first came out I wondered whether this game would evolve into a cover shooter or an arcadey one, and it chose the latter

[forest scaffold]

And I'm over here asking for this

[civic bay]

smoking is bad for you

[forest scaffold]

because oh shit

I make sure to stick with my team

[crude gazelle]

Should just drink instead

[forest scaffold]

I would like to be more rewarded for that

[crude gazelle]

Water that is

[forest scaffold]

Ogryn is pretty damn close with the Bodyguard Build

[sleek cairn]

im gonna run a smoke nade run right now.

i can't resist

[frank ether]

and coherency heavy gameplay and stuff like suppression can only be implemented so much without affecting gameflow in a more arcadey system

[fleet garden]

drink bleach (in minecraft)

[sleek cairn]

it's just too fun

[forest scaffold]

you can get up to 13.3 toughness regeneration per second in coherency

[fleet garden]

no but seriously, if ppl want to solo, let them

[forest scaffold]

So sticking next to teammates is a huge buff in survivability

[fleet garden]

it already is

[nimble sentinel]

oops wrong quote

[forest scaffold]

Hardly

[crude gazelle]

I like using smoke grenades not because of the benefits

[sleek cairn]

its okay i saw u

[whole moon]

a couple of weeks ago I was in a damnation and couldnt for the life of me stay on my feet, most of the team the same. In the end the Zealot clutched the whole match by speedrunning to the area at the end. (one w Valk in the middle of arena, two skyfire and control on a bridge) he lured the whole map AND a Plogryn right to the end, killed it all then rezzed us for the finale.
I felt like we were being schooled in how to dodge and manage stamina and positioning. Truly a masterclass.

[forest scaffold]

You get some nominal quickness in response times

[crude gazelle]

but somehow pisses people off for seeing a puff of some come out of a canister :v

[fleet garden]

shoot all the barrels

its fun

[forest scaffold]

I just get sad because it doesn't stop snipers

[untold mulch]

I still dream of a "mainly guard" game that is oh shit oh fuck each firefight

[forest scaffold]

I love that ranged enemies are no longer shooting me

[crude gazelle]

sadly yeah :\

[forest scaffold]

But snipers still doinking me is just pain

[civic bay]

yeah that seems like a bizarre oversight

[sleek cairn]

hey cmon they adjusted sniper aim to be way more lenient

[forest scaffold]

Remember: Ogryn main

I'm a big man

[nimble sentinel]

had a game earlier where the dummies flew me off the map kerbal-style then all promptly ate shit from dogs and nets

[sleek cairn]

fine

[fallow escarp]

i want so bad oh my GOD

[crude gazelle]

Snipers are using permanent veteran stealth goggles hence why they can see through everything

[fallow escarp]

liek GTFO but warhammer god DAMN

[astral blade]

Listen you seriously think people are gonna “stick together” and maintain coherency mate I’ve hate to break coherency more times than I care to count and I’m not sure if you play on Oceana servers

[civic bay]

it's not that snipers are hard to dodge, but the whole point of smoke is to counter shooters

[fleet garden]

[astral blade]

But Australians ain’t much for team work

[untold mulch]

Darktide Teaser made my gaming group think it would be like that

[forest scaffold]

We could get it there

[fallow escarp]

we some mf warhammer horror games

[forest scaffold]

if the community would accept nerfs

[frank ether]

I dont hate the current state of the game I'm adhd enough to enjoy it. But I wouldn't hate to see fatshark explore a more slower, tactical approach, something in the style of GTFO where you plan how to approach each mission, each situation and winning a level is an actual achievement not the norm. Its just that its completely out of their style and expertise.

[civic bay]

obviously you don't keep coherency 100% of the time, even if everyone is good at sticking together

[astral blade]

No thank you can shove those nerfs where the sun don’t shine

[sleek cairn]

dude the new sniper AI acts like they're already smoking something. Something i wanna smoke too

[gaunt delta]

Do it right when Space Marine 2 drops

[sleek cairn]

they need pass that shit

[crude gazelle]

loool

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I like the horde vibe too.

But the tactical shit, maybe for another time 😔

[crude gazelle]

they do run towards the action moreso than shotgunners

[civic bay]

it's a horde shooter, not a tactical shooter

[forest scaffold]

I'm fine with where Fatshark has taken enemy density and hp pools

its perfect right now

[civic bay]

I don't think slow-paced was the intention to begin with?

[crude gazelle]

up close and personal and just drop kick the shit outta you

[forest scaffold]

They just gotta fuckin chill with how much damage players do, and how survivable they are.

[forest scaffold]

Tune this down a few notches, and Darktide's in the perfect spot.

[sleek cairn]

after puri's done with u, u'll launch darktide and see it's a pvp game with ranked matchmaking

[forest scaffold]

FUCK NO

[sleek cairn]

haha

[forest scaffold]

WE HATE RANKED

RANKED IS TRASH

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm done with competitive pvp nonsense

shits even more toxic than this place

[astral blade]

Hell for my particular stealth build to work as it is now I need to break coherency to be able to flank the enemy in order just to be able to get kills

[nimble sentinel]

IT IS INEVITABLE

[patent valley]

time to be inspired

[untold mulch]

Fr, I avoid pvp games like the plague

[astral blade]

Ok so your little nerf all classes and rely on teammate/friendship crap

That shit just won’t fly

[forest scaffold]

don't me wrong

[orchid hollow]

big weapon sir

[forest scaffold]

I'd probably load up cod

and do load up battlebit every now and again

[sleek cairn]

hey I liked naruto ok

[forest scaffold]

but that shit is like

[fallow escarp]

He's not advocating for your sudden death the second you leave coherency

[patent valley]

thanking you sniveller

[forest scaffold]

a 20 minute investment at best for a match

[zealous wyvern]

that does not mean teamwork should not be rewarded

[civic bay]

why do you have to flank to get kills lol

[zealous wyvern]

weird way to look at it

[forest scaffold]

The maps aren't even built for it anyway.

Which is the funnier aspect of it.

They're all straight lines.

[astral blade]

Rakking fire that’s why it’s basically optional for me to flank

[patent valley]

time to go steal some poor sniveller's ammo

[forest scaffold]

Only Carnival and Warden have started exploring this aspect of the game.

[frank ether]

GTFO fills that niche pretty well if you dont mind a little bit of stealth. Well a lot of stealth.

[fleet garden]

raking fire columnus goes brrrrr

[forest scaffold]

I wish I could deal with horror games

I really do

GTFO looks super fun

But I just can't

[fallow escarp]

I can't, unless its with buddies

[forest scaffold]

Horror gets to me bad

[sleek cairn]

GTFO is not a horror game tho

it is fun

[forest scaffold]

At any point do you get jump scared

if yes

I'm out

[zealous wyvern]

no

[sleek cairn]

no jump scare, promise

[zealous wyvern]

you do not

[fallow escarp]

Don't cap that game is fucking terrifying with no shortage of sudden pop ins

[frank ether]

Its a pretty fkin haunting game tbh

[zealous wyvern]

you just walk around "sleeping" things

sitting around

and going "click click click click"

its definitely eery

[frank ether]

especially with the odds in some missions

[zealous wyvern]

but there is no actually scary stuff

[untold mulch]

Mhmm