veteran-class

[finite imp]

Can you call it a hotfix if they're nerfing fire

[serene sage]

rate my vet drip

[finite imp]

When you have a raid at 6 but nap time at 7

[serene sage]

FEAR

[paper brook]

WTF Lmao

Gotta love this game

[gritty dock]

Does anyone know why these shovels, even though both have 74% Damage, have different amounts of damage - 104 vs 106?

[elder vessel]

Man

After getting used to heresy threat

Malice is so calm by comparison

More like a zen garden

Than a battlefield

[sudden dome]

probably first target, check what that stat does

[astral blade]

Hey fellas mind giving me the low down on the new mission

[elder vessel]

Just walk around, follow team, shoot bad guys

Don't even worry about ammo cuz there's not enough enemies to run you dry

[astral blade]

Objectives I meant dummy

[serene sage]

soon enough HISTG will be zen too

[sudden dome]

yea uh, go in and kill the heretics

[elder vessel]

Im talking about ez malice games

Not the new mission

The new mission you shoot a big green ball

[serene sage]

😎

[sudden dome]

heresy is pretty easy too, other than the lest few minutes of the rush if you dont have decent team mates

sometimes its jsut easier to pretend they accidenally died because you couldnt res them then it is to keep playing with them up

damnation doesnt have that issue because heresy filters them

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/win-cat-shake-butt-wiggle-gif-5653926

you waiting to lineup the full auto headshots with shout

[sudden dome]

auric doesnt have that issue because damnation filters me

[astral blade]

Sooo is it as crazy as the carnival the new mission

[placid portal]

if you think like that, Damnation makes everything else look like cakewalk

[finite imp]

Ever watch breaking bad?

[astral blade]

Nay fella

[finite imp]

It's that

Watch breaking bad first or you won't understand anything

[frank ether]

waltuh...

[finite imp]

Put ya dick away waltih

[serene sage]

good things come to those who wait

[sudden dome]

jessie we need to make the stims

[serene sage]

or some shit like that

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[placid portal]

Drugging up for every fight

[finite imp]

You're down when I say you're down

uses voice of command

[eager ruin]

Need help which to change (perk or bless) for this plasma gun

[finite imp]

You basically raid a mountain dew factory

[placid portal]

TO FIND BAHA BLAST MTN DEW

RAID THE CARNIVAL

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/boogie2988-boogie2988mountain-dew-mountain-dew-francis-francis-mountain-dew-gif-13657583

[finite imp]

injects Baja blast

[placid portal]

We MUST protect the Holy Baja Blast

[elder vessel]

Injects Mtn Dew Code Red

Voltage is available too

[placid portal]

The Nurglites must not steal the holy drink

[astral blade]

Y’all are wild I swear

[finite imp]

You have to be a little nutty to still play vet and enjoy it

[astral blade]

Bloody hell glad I’m chatting in the vet chat which is best chat

[placid portal]

That's what happens when you're too broke to appoint mental health

[finite imp]

Sometimes you just need an outlet to be UNHINGED

Therapy is cool and all

Not knocking it

But it's not for me

[placid portal]

Automanophobia is one helluva thing

[finite imp]

The fear of Optimus prime

[placid portal]

[finite imp]

I just paint minis

Take pictures of clouds

[sudden dome]

basically perfect blessings, theres a break point calculator on the internet you can use dont remember the site, but you can calculate there what perk you should throw on for instant kills

[patent swift]

Any tips for this? no idea what to put on it

[junior needle]

those perks 😩

[whole moon]

theres a blessing that ups damage on consecutive weak spot hits, reckon w fanning fire it would be a good pick

no point in surgical sadly, its a great blessing, just not on THAT weapon

[sudden dome]

wait does point blank work with your mele weapon like if you swap, or do you have to bash kill something for that

[finite imp]

Good think mobility is a dump stat. You're gonna be mosying

[sudden dome]

because if you ahve to bash for it its useless

[finite imp]

No it's meant to be weapon swap synergy

Like with WS

[livid fractal]

has anyone else been having connection issuews

[finite imp]

Weapon specialist

[whole moon]

mobility is generally the dump stat, nice when its over 50 tho.. extra dodge

[livid fractal]

ive been incapable of joining missions all day

[sudden dome]

alright, do any other blessings work while the weapon is holstered?

[serene sage]

I can join games

but constant DCs

and crashes, mostly DCs

[livid fractal]

ive been getting 2014 every time i try to join a mission

[serene sage]

I had that once

[livid fractal]

howd u fix it

[finite imp]

Can't think of off the top of my head

[serene sage]

restarted my computer and then change server from US East to US West

[sudden dome]

alright thanks, just weird that its the only one then

[patent swift]

I still get surgical stacks when holding m2

[whole moon]

most of the local settings are stored in %appdata%/Fatshark. If you rename the Darktide folder and retry

[finite imp]

There's not a lot of blessings period. I hope we get more

[whole moon]

if it doesnt work you can put the folder back

[whole moon]

for exactly one shot. That revolver works best when using the fanning fire. So in that respect its not a good pairing

[finite imp]

Trick shooter

And point blank

For the fanner

[whole moon]

THANK YOU! counldnt find the damn thing

[finite imp]

I'm a fucking cowboy vet I oughta know

[patent swift]

Should i change eithe perk?

[finite imp]

Ranged weak spot to uhhh

Flak

Or maniac

Which ever you struggle more with

Actually

No

Groaners to flak/ maniac

Just keep weakspot

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-gunslinger-six-shooter-gun-flip-flip-gun-into-holster-gif-12524647873518510513

[elder vessel]

Anyone have a Ranged Focused VoC build i can study?

[finite imp]

I'm in bed or I'd send you one

[elder vessel]

(Blatantly copy)

[whole moon]

you also rocking a Catechan combat blade for the Bowie knife experience?

[finite imp]

I need to just take pics

[finite imp]

Fuckin too right

I gotta be able to close that distance when the cylinder dries up

A drive by slashing London style

[radiant plank]

Man, just unlocked vraks 7 and I'm liking how it handles but kinda sad that it does reduced damage to maniac and can't handle carapace at all

[whole moon]

Eastwood would be proud

[whole moon]

Give the Mk 2a Revolver a go. seriously

[finite imp]

Just get amazing at revolver

It answers everything

[livid fractal]

how do i change server

[whole moon]

from mission select

[radiant plank]

I do use revolver on my zealot, was hoping for a change of pace lol

[finite imp]

I pull over quadruple and quint kills in a single shot from revolver

Off*

[placid portal]

Handcannon crucian works best for Yeehaw cannon

[elder vessel]

Send me it when you have the chance

[finite imp]

Sure np

[serene sage]

go to the mission board, bottom right

[placid portal]

Surgical kinda sucks bc at that rate you're better off using zarona Cannon

[finite imp]

My build is always changing tho so when I show you it it'll be outdated in like a few hours

Im always thinking about where I'm weak and tweaking

[placid portal]

Handcannon gets nerfed*
Still 3 taps or 2 taps crusher/mauler

[elder vessel]

Its cool, ill probably edit some things to my taste anyways

[placid portal]

[finite imp]

The best build is the one suited to your singular individual play style

Yep

[placid portal]

Yeehaw + Focustarget + target down is one helluva drug

[finite imp]

That's the tude to have. No one build is good for everyone

[finite imp]

I am actually a yeehaw weapons specialist

[low oar]

How do I make every class a knife zealot

[placid portal]

Respectable

[finite imp]

Hurts my hands like hell but it's fun

Getting older sucks

[elder vessel]

Who knows, maybe you'll have built for IAGs, when I prefer Brautos

[finite imp]

I love the weapon swap synergy tbh

The revolver is such a versatile weapon

[low oar]

And that's why I use a macro

I tried to use the MG IV and the old knife without a macro

Yeah that was tiring

[finite imp]

It answers everything outside the front of a bulwark

And even in melee it draws fast enough to kill a gunner bearing down on you

[placid portal]

I love Backstabbing Bulwarks

Makes me feel like spy

[finite imp]

That's where the knife comes in

[sudden dome]

and that one thing is why some people run agri shotgun despite it being worse in every single other way

[finite imp]

The knife is amazing. It clears crowds and answers armor just fine

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/trickstab-trickstabbed-klown-klowntf2-tf2-gif-25525705

[finite imp]

The new knife is great because of its block stab

[placid portal]

Prefer Normal Stabbing

[finite imp]

I like the h1 opener

It rips faces off

But yeah I'll probably switch back eventually

[placid portal]

esp Punch light does the 500 dmg stab

They buffed the heck outta that

[finite imp]

I just couldn't keep claiming I'm a cowboy vet if I wasn't a pro at both knives and both revolvers

[finite imp]

Wait what

[placid portal]

Ye

They buffed the Follow up Light from special

[finite imp]

The punch does what

[placid portal]

150 > 500

[finite imp]

Oh shit

For the og knife?

[placid portal]

Followup stab btw

I think for both from the notes

[finite imp]

Ill try it

But for now this cowboy needs some shuteye

https://tenor.com/view/john-wayne-sleeping-what-was-that-what-gif-17673099

[placid portal]

Yea base power from 150 to 500

[finite imp]

That's a hell of a stab

[placid portal]

Don't see much improvement imo but I dunno how it works

[finite imp]

Do you have the actual note

[finite imp]

Weapon specialist jab so the punch itself

Special

[placid portal]

Punch does 0 damage so it can't be 150

🤔

[finite imp]

Is there a special attack following the punch

[placid portal]

usually you just light or heavy

[finite imp]

Hmm

[placid portal]

light does heavy attack damage

[low oar]

Power isn't damage

[placid portal]

nani

[low oar]

It's an initial value for a bunch of calculations

[placid portal]

fack

Oh well

[sudden dome]

maybe its the block jab you were talking about

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-billnye-sciencerules-science-gif-5866727

Block stab on new knife hits hard

[low oar]

Power also controls stagger and cleabe

[placid portal]

well that's bollocks

[astral blade]

Than what is power? If not damage

[low oar]

Power turns into stagger, damage, and cleave

[placid portal]

Spamming Push attack then

[finite imp]

^

[low oar]

It's not a 1:1 conversion

[astral blade]

Seee it does turn into damage

[sudden dome]

its like a 6% power 10% damage isnt it?

[low oar]

I don't recall the exact math, but you get less damage than the power gain

[finite imp]

Think of power like impact

Rather than damage

[sudden dome]

impact is great, trip up whole hordes as they bleed to death

[finite imp]

Getting a knife pushed into your eye socket? Not alot of power. Huge damage

Think of bam margers getting hit with that giant hand

Massive power low damage

[astral blade]

Heh impact never let an ogryn near a pool

[placid portal]

🍹

[junior grail]

Anyone tried the new knife with Haymaker?

[whole moon]

Gonna be honest here. Didn't realise there was a new knife

[sudden dome]

everyone says its worse so you didnt miss out, but it could just be they havent figured out the best way to use it yet

[old quail]

seen people get decent value out of it

[junior grail]

Light Heavy seems to be a combo I'm comfortable with for horder clear

[old quail]

best combo for haymaker is h1 h2 block cancel

[junior grail]

Thinking of trying Haymaker with Uncanny

[old quail]

that's what i'd do

[junior grail]

Ooo ok will try thanks

[old quail]

u never leave home w/o uncanny

[pulsar drift]

Finally a useble one

[forest scaffold]

Whatever you're weak to, just shoot it more.

Its literally that easy.

[junior grail]

I'm weak to fire, should I shoot the fire?

[pulsar drift]

rip the dmg

but sunder feels great

smooth af

[whole moon]

If you have to ask.... Yes. Someone will video and post it up for us all to have a giggle

[fleet garden]

psword still reigns supremee imo

[forest scaffold]

Did I stutter?

[pulsar drift]

PC4 plus one of the four blessings work

and it does massive dmg

[frank ether]

this will not stop knife zealots from being useless

[forest scaffold]

If only I could have PC4, Slaughterer, and Bromentum on one power sword

if only if only

[fleet garden]

I have this

[astral blade]

Grrrrr guess we still don’t have a revolving grenade launcher

[forest scaffold]

And make rumbler on ogryn even worse?

[pulsar drift]

Rampage, BM, slaughter all works

[forest scaffold]

Please don't fatshark

[pulsar drift]

but sunder just so smoooth

[fleet garden]

its so good

[forest scaffold]

I dunno man

I cleave through fuckin everything with power sword already

what the fuck do I need more cleave more

[frank ether]

you dont need sunder

[frank ether]

trust me

[forest scaffold]

does it allow me to cleave through bulwark shields?

Through crushers?

[astral blade]

Ya know that be funny to have a grenade launcher as a weapon but that said grenade launcher in linked to whatever grenade you chose

[pulsar drift]

But it is smoooooooth

[frank ether]

you'll keep cleaving but it will do no damage cause bulwark

so whats even the point

[whole moon]

This is pretty much what's holding me off testing the new shovels, even if they're great are they powersword levels of great. I need horde clear and cc on my melee

[astral blade]

How does that sound?

[pulsar drift]

you can dmg the others

except the bulwaks

[junior grail]

Smoke Grenade Launcher

[forest scaffold]

literally nothing in the game is as good as power sword

Failing venture to compare literally anything to it

[astral blade]

For a grenade launcher idea the nade launcher is linked to what nade you chose

[forest scaffold]

And both vet shovels are pog now

they're just not "power sword pog"

[pulsar drift]

just look at it

how many power swords I have grind..

sadge

[astral blade]

So If you chose krak nades you get a krak nade launcher

[forest scaffold]

I need to find skullcrusher

speaking of vet shovel

I wanna use Thrust+Skullbreaker

[junior grail]

Though tbh, they would most likely be like Ogryns Grenadier Gauntlet

[fleet garden]

sadge idd

[forest scaffold]

and literally just be ogryn on veteran

What do you do?

I heavy attack everything.

Huh

[junior grail]

I prefer Shovel mk 5 over powersword but thats just me

[astral blade]

That’s boring revolver style nade launcher sounds allot better for vet

[pulsar drift]

tbh MK3 powersword is also heavy swing everything XD

[junior grail]

Oh I meant just in terms of damage

[frank ether]

ps has atrocious mobility

[pulsar drift]

the horizontal slash

[forest scaffold]

I sold my old mk3 power sword

[pulsar drift]

if only it is faster

[whole moon]

Yup, I started with a 3 and I still love it

[forest scaffold]

I kinda do don't regret it

[junior grail]

Multitube Nade Launcher is a must for Vet

[forest scaffold]

But the mk6 power sword is just so fucking good

that the extra damage on heavy attacks isn't super meaningful

[pulsar drift]

push attack saved my ass from ragers

[forest scaffold]

I wonder

it might do more damage against ragers

[astral blade]

I know but still those that be awesome if the nade launcher was linked to the vet nades

[forest scaffold]

I don't really have a good solution to them right now on my swappy swappy vet

other than "Spam energized light attacks and hope I can keep them staggered"

[frank ether]

shovel special is an instant interrupt

[forest scaffold]

I mean yeah

[frank ether]

d.claw parry is a one shot kill

[forest scaffold]

its the same on combat axes

But you still need to eat some amount of damage

which is pain

[frank ether]

knife can also pretty much dance around them

[forest scaffold]

what the fuck are those arms fatshark

they're nowhere near me

[frank ether]

though knife vet is... well

[forest scaffold]

WHY AM I TAKING DAMAGE

[astral blade]

Now I wonder would nade tinker work with a nade launcher?

[frank ether]

I dont want to recommend knife to any vet

cause

%99.9 knife players are absolute garbage

[forest scaffold]

knife player doesn't immediately aggro every single elite and special on the map

I cry

[astral blade]

[forest scaffold]

like

[frank ether]

Its actually not bad at all if the knife user can use their brain a little

[forest scaffold]

that's the whole fuckin point of your weapon my guy

QUIT ATTACKING THE POXWALKERS IM ALREADY KILLING

[pulsar drift]

i still cant get things right with my Dclaw

😦

I might be addicted to powerswords

[astral blade]

Yo fellas if vet had a multitude nade launcher do y’all think that nade tinker would effect the nade launcher

[upbeat notch]

chainaxe 4 or 12 i want to start a fight

[whole moon]

This imo is one of the main contributing factors to mission fail. The competitive coop players who wants all the kills and won't trust their team to do their job

[pulsar drift]

btw I do love chainsword

but never used it since two patchs ago

[forest scaffold]

I mean

I just play glugger ogryn

and get to kill everything

and win missions

[pulsar drift]

is sadge that it having hard time with crusher horde

[whole moon]

Good Ogryn, extra rashuns

[forest scaffold]

I've been out-dueled once

And it was by some insane chad veteran using exe stance and revolver

[pulsar drift]

oh it might good pairing with the new revolver

[forest scaffold]

literally every time a special or elite showed up, it died immediately

[pulsar drift]

should give a try

[frank ether]

to this day I still havent ran into a singular knife vet that was half decent, let alone good

not one

[valid bluff]

So which vet ranged weapons handle carapace the best?

Boltor Obv

[forest scaffold]

Here we go.

Zek, by name.

[valid bluff]

and revolver I guess?

[forest scaffold]

Dude was a fuckin chad

[valid bluff]

Any others?

[cosmic crag]

when i'm volvin

[hybrid river]

Plasma

[forest scaffold]

literally anything with onslaught

[pulsar drift]

Two revolvers, plasma gun, MK5 iag? (Saw ppl using it a lot),

[frank ether]

helbore mk3 is pretty good. So are vraks guns with some rending.

[pulsar drift]

But tbh the best are the new revolver, plasma gun and bolster

Bolter

[jade notch]

TryAgainBragg

Based

[cosmic crag]

i need more BOOLETS

[sudden dome]

laspistol is pretty good if you have the crits for it

[frank ether]

I dont think onslaught is good at all for slower guns

[sudden dome]

so zealot

pretty much its best on zealot

[pulsar drift]

The new revolver with right build one fan 1-2 crushers

[forest scaffold]

Well, that's gonna depend on the weapon

[sudden dome]

but you can get like 40% crit base on it

[pulsar drift]

Feels chill

[forest scaffold]

Onslaught won't be particularly good on plasma gun or revolver.

EDIT: Helbore mk3

but just about everything else works great with it.

[sudden dome]

onslaught is for stuff like graia braced and CIG

[pulsar drift]

Yet it has be build around which means it has to take that aiming losing stamina

Which I hate

[austere mica]

New revolver with the right build can one fan everything but plague ogryns

[forest scaffold]

Yeah but like

WHERE BUILD

I haven't seen it posted yet

[cosmic crag]

proxy war

[frank ether]

I dont think its better than just taking flat rending for stuff like headhunters, helbores, infantry las etc

[pulsar drift]

It is quite skill reliant

Cuz u gotta go for the weakspot

[austere mica]

Zealot build thread

[frank ether]

I guess infantry MG4 could use onslaught very well though

[austere mica]

You are going to have to scroll a little

[pulsar drift]

I kinda just don’t like the weakspot idea

[forest scaffold]

Mg1a, MGIV, MG12, Laspistol x2, All brautos, all IAGs, SAP

all of these benefit from onslaught

I'm sure I'm missing something here or there

[sudden dome]

anything that fires more than once per second and has decent ammo

[forest scaffold]

Like. . . the vast majority of veteran's kit just gets better with onslaught

[astral blade]

Heh an ogryn with a missile launcher

[pulsar drift]

In general anything that can shots a lot

[frank ether]

I dont like it on any of the surgical weapons or ones that work with deadly accurate

but for spam guns

10/10

[sudden dome]

surgical works great on the guns that need to charge

[forest scaffold]

I'm not gonna shoot a mauler in the head with just deadly accurate

[sudden dome]

since you already have to sit there migh as well get the free 30% crit

[forest scaffold]

and shooting ragers in the head at all is just infuriating

[pulsar drift]

Idk but is there a way to make marksman focus useful?

[forest scaffold]

unless they're still a static mob on the map and haven't started moving yet

[pulsar drift]

Or is okay now?

[forest scaffold]

Be good at the game

[cosmic crag]

wait til they get just close enough to think they're comfortable

[frank ether]

you can take %10 rending from middle and %10 from marksman focus

[pulsar drift]

XD

[cosmic crag]

then fire around their neck

[frank ether]

have it %20 up all the time and not have to build onslaught stacks on all 6 individual crushers that are headed your way

[cosmic crag]

warcrimed

[sudden dome]

be a pro mlg gamer and click heads

[forest scaffold]

Swappy Swappy and Tag nodes are definitely the best from "ease of use" standpoints

the skill floor on marksman's focus is uh

well, see the complaints about it here and on reddit

its high enough that most people can't get use out of it

[frank ether]

Its rather insane for actual ''marksman'' weapons, easy for spam guns

Its an easy fix

[jade notch]

I personally prefer running Marksman Focus with the Kantrael MG Ia, since it shoots fast enough to build stacks fast.

[pulsar drift]

Do u guys have a plausible build around it?

[sudden dome]

things move around too much, you basically have to be in melee to reliably and consistantly hit heads

[frank ether]

give it deadshot treatment where certain guns have laxer grace periods

[cosmic crag]

turn on the downtime for kills feature and the highlight for squad feature, congratulations you have a passive enemy ping tool

[pulsar drift]

Or just forget about it and go for the focus target

Focus target is great btw

[frank ether]

like I'm thinking 5 second free movement on weakspot kill for helbores, vraks etc

instead of the current 3

[sudden dome]

give them 8 for the head hunters

[frank ether]

just throwing as an idea

[sudden dome]

like the time to move between groups

[frank ether]

its the way they throw all guns under the same umbrella that limits this keystone and makes it bad

[sudden dome]

actually you could just make it so a missed weakpoint removes a stack and remove the seconds thing entirely

[frank ether]

also that %10 rending really should just be flat regardless of your stacks

[sudden dome]

more lost per missed for auto weapons

[frank ether]

or it should be a scaling rending that can go up to %15 with 15 stacks at least

[cosmic crag]

penut brittle

[jade notch]

Honestly, I'd just make the Marksman Focus stacks decay on a (relatively generous) timer. Make the decay work like how Warp Stacks does it (lose one stack of Marksman Focus at a time)

So you're free to move around, no need to worry about staying still.

[faint forge]

What are the best Blessings to aim for in the new Orestes Chainaxe MK XII? Looking to take out elites. Don't have many yet so want to know what to look for for in earning blessings.

[frank ether]

It will eventually get reworked but sharpshooter vet has too many what if talents already

[jade notch]

That is the hope, yeah

[cosmic crag]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-shaggy-sandwich-fat-all-you-can-eat-gif-17265145

[frank ether]

bruh

[pulsar drift]

Oh btw I found grenadier build very fun and good

[lofty lintel]

Whats up with marksman focus

[pulsar drift]

Didn’t know twin blast works so good on frags

[frank ether]

It works all the time %20 of the time

[jade notch]

It's harder to use because you have to consistently click heads while dodging and weaving through hordes.

[lofty lintel]

Oh yea

Not in a good spot rn

Especially with the recon lasgun nerfs but thats just my opinion

[sudden dome]

if the hipfire on the laspistol was better I might consider using it for that

[lofty lintel]

I just run melee vet ngl

[sudden dome]

it just misses like 1/3 of the time

[lofty lintel]

The only reason i used left tree was because of how good recon lasguns felt

they absolutely gutted them tho so ill just stick to my shovel

[jade notch]

I run Left Side Tree all the time

But I cheat by picking up Rending Strikes in the middle tree since I already use Iron Will on almost all my builds anyway

[lofty lintel]

What gun do you use

IAGs?

[jade notch]

Kantrael MG Ia or Hellbore Mk I

[lofty lintel]

Oh

Interesting

Idk why i didnt think of those

[jade notch]

Lemme dig up my build

[sudden dome]

is competitive urge basically always up at higher levels? Is it just free damage?

[jade notch]

Effectively, since Damnation and up throws literal dozens of mobs at you all at once.

[lofty lintel]

Fair enough honestly i hate how the kantrael lasgun feels but its goated so

Im waiting for recon lasguns to be decent

[tiny summit]

With lvl 4 bleed you can kill a crusher with a revved heavy. If you dodge cancel out of a revved attack the bleed will take out half their hp. Idk what optimal just the limited experience I have. But I also have the lvl 4 brittleness blessing on it too

[lofty lintel]

I dont want them to be OP like before just competent so it doesnt feel like im useless everytime i try to bring it to a high difficulty mission

[junior needle]

Yer gonna be waiting for probably at least 2 months pal

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

Sadly

[junior needle]

I was waiting since around release

[forest scaffold]

Talking about vet?

[lofty lintel]

Yes

[forest scaffold]

Uh

[jade notch]

That's the same reason why I don't run Revolver on Vet (That and everyone and their goddamn mother runs Revolver)

I just happen to really like the Kantrael Infantry Lasguns, even if I'd have loved for the MG XII to have similar DPS to the MG Ia now

[cosmic crag]

what buttons should i push to verify my bugged loadouts

[lofty lintel]

?

[forest scaffold]

Vet's doing JUST fine

[junior needle]

Ironically it wasn't even the best lasgun in that patch if you knew how to click heads

[lofty lintel]

Thats awesome bro i personally cant get into the infantry lasguns for shit but if its your cup of tea then enjoy

[junior needle]

He's talking about using recons

[forest scaffold]

OH

[lofty lintel]

Infantry lasguns are goated rn so

[forest scaffold]

recon lasguns are fine if you JUST use them on ranged enemies

That's like

their niche

and you can't explore outside of that at all

whatsoever

but if you don't, they're fine.

[tiny summit]

If you take onslaught in the right tree the recon can "work". It's still underwhelming but it's not a complete super soaker. It will still be outclassed by a columnus or graia by a large margin

[junior needle]

These guns are fine if you never use them for killing important enemies!
-Fatshark, probably

[lofty lintel]

Thats the thing though you have to heavily spec into just making the recon lasgun work

[forest scaffold]

Well, no.

Ranged enemies ARE important

[lofty lintel]

And even then it feels like a water gun

[forest scaffold]

way more important than people give them credit for around here

because we're all no life slaves

and there's no sugar coating it

but ranged enemies absolutely obliterate randos

[lofty lintel]

Im not complaining tho ill just patiently wait for the buff

Meanwhile back to melee vet

[forest scaffold]

Its just that specials obliterate them even more

[sudden dome]

so use onslaught on them to kill crushers and everything else just dclaw to death

[forest scaffold]

and if you can take care of specials, you can take care of ranged enemies too

So having a weapon JUST address ranged enemies feels bad

[junior needle]

Ranged enemies are important, but ranged isn't an armor type, and the only acceptably performing one blows hard against 2/3 of them and still underperforms against flak.

[lofty lintel]

Yeah

[forest scaffold]

This design philosophy is a holdover from Closed Beta/first two months of the game's lifetime

when ranged enemies were the biggest threat in the game

[tiny summit]

Right now just spamming helbore mk1. Running exe and marksman focus for shits and giggles. Highlighting enemies is just useful for me.

[forest scaffold]

so fatshark tuned a few weapons to them

Infantry Lasguns and Recon Lasguns, specifically.

[whole moon]

Isn't that pretty much why Exe is around?

[forest scaffold]

Just that Infantry Lasguns finally got buffed(MGIV and MG1a specifically) while the recon lasguns have only gotten very sparing buffs here and there and they weren't enough to offset the recon lasgun problems

[junior needle]

The main point being, there's plenty of other all purpose guns that are doing great or even amazing that can do everything. Without needing to artificially limit your target selection to kinda somewhat justify ever taking one, but only if you squint hard enough.

[faint forge]

Yea it came with sith a lvl 3 Thunderous. still have to get some more plasteel to upgrade it and see what I get. I'll only be able to replace 1 because I need run replace a perk so here's to hoping I get one of the good ones. 🤞 lol

[forest scaffold]

I mean, I'm just pointing out that the recon lasguns still have a role in darktide, and they're not all that bad in that role.

Its just that everything else is so mindbogglingly powerful they don't have room to shine

[sudden dome]

you know what kills ranged elites really well? revolvers

[lofty lintel]

(Anything)

[tiny summit]

Helbores

[forest scaffold]

Helbores are the best for it

because they're immune to suppression

just as a function of the weapon

[junior needle]

That role is artificial hardmode and trolling your team.

[lofty lintel]

Thats exactly how i feel about recon lasguns

[junior needle]

There's no reason to ever take them over alternatives, that's not having a role.

[lofty lintel]

I feel like im trolling my team

[tiny summit]

God. I am barely bringing out my melee with helbore. So good

Pew pew is fun

[lofty lintel]

Im level 180 on vet and still havent used the helbore

At all

[jade notch]

Thank you. I ain't one to tell people how to play Darktide, whatever works that makes you feel like cracking skulls for the Emperor is what I was clumsily getting at 😅

In any case, here's the Kantrael build:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9acc3143-3b08-4403-9129-0d42a48be9fd

And here's the Hellbore build:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9acc3266-7263-4e2b-a57f-38806dd044b0

[junior needle]

I guess the laser lightshow is good for morale support because it looks pretty or something

[lofty lintel]

Is it really like dat

[tiny summit]

Cmon man bayonet will change you

[lofty lintel]

It never caught my attention ngl

[tiny summit]

Setting a horde in fire is fun

[lofty lintel]

I might be missing out

Who knows

[noble zinc]

I mean when you have the damage numbers mod on and you see someone with a recon tickle anything tankier to death, it hurts morale

[jade notch]

The Hellbore Mk 1 and 2 Specials are really good bayonet thrusts that come out (and recover) fast and hit hard.

The Hellbore Mk 3 charges slowest and hits hardest, but the Special is a slow-ass overhead swipe that does more damage

[lofty lintel]

Might run it with my shovel and be a krieg guardsman

I see

[jade notch]

You won't be clearing entire hordes on Damnation with the bayonet, but it kills Muties/Hounds/Specials just fine

It even stun-locks Ragers, at least the Dreg Ragers. Can't remember if it stun-locks Scab/Armored Ragers too.

[noble zinc]

Bayonet is just overtuned rn

[jade notch]

With, or without the exploit?

Because I can use it just fine without that

[junior needle]

Disregarding the moral failing of avoidably shooting into melee chaffe, they typically before you get any substantial dps off infernus (assuming you take it).

[sudden dome]

thats my issue with infernus, by the time it does good damage the thig is already dead

[junior needle]

You want guns with some sizable cleave for actually denting hordes

[forest scaffold]

Scab Ragers have less poise than Dreg Ragers

if you can stagger Dreg Ragers, you can stagger Scabs

[jade notch]

Then yes, it staggers both kinds of Ragers 😅

[noble zinc]

Just in general.

Having a melee feature of your weapon be so reliable at killing ragers and shit makes it way too free to go hard on a hordekill melee.

[junior needle]

It needs a redesign, either some way to transform wasted dot damage into some kind of value (like an aoe explosion, or an execute once the target gets to the point where the dot would kill it) or to apply lesser stacks on non crits too

[tiny summit]

Says you! I'll cleave my horde with my bayonet. Shame the new chainaxe lights are useful for horde but the sound and impact aren't there. Sounds like I'm hitting them with a thick foam mallet

[forest scaffold]

mk7a has higher maniac DPS

whether that means anything to you or not, I don't know

seems like it would

considering that's what you're using

[jade notch]

I haven't tried holding back an entire Rager pack with just the Hellbore Mk 1/2 Bayonet, but it's either a case of skill issue on my part or the instinctive reflex to switch to my actual melee the moment I see a horde barreling into me.

[sudden dome]

the only reason to get it is crushers because the weapons that have it are really really bad against crushers until they crit, in which case you might as well apply a dot that does more damage than your basic attack

[tiny summit]

Do it man. I've been holding my own against whole rager packs with it

[jade notch]

No, not rager packs. As in actual hordes that the rager packs come with.

[tiny summit]

Both. Do it.

[jade notch]

Then I have some practicing to do then

[lofty lintel]

Isnt mk3 the best apparently

[tiny summit]

Not it's bayonet

[junior needle]

Very slightly, yes. Although that was a 6d. This is a 7a. 6d still performs much better with an actual build due to various synergies and the dogshit modifiers being alleviated by onslaught.

[sudden dome]

mk1 is mk3 is acceptable but its melee is better and infinite sprint

[lofty lintel]

I hear so many mixed opinions about what helbore mark is best idek anymore

[jade notch]

The Mk3 has the most powerful (and slowest) charged shot

But the slow Bayonet special makes it a dealbreaker for me, the Mk1 is the next most-damaging which is why I use it.

Other people prefer the Mk2 because it charges fast

[fleet garden]

or

[junior needle]

They're all good, but only the 1/2 have the good bayonet.

[fleet garden]

I know my perk is fucked on the XIIIg but

[junior needle]

Different playstyles.

[jade notch]

^

[tiny summit]

Preference and bayonet. Really.

[lofty lintel]

Fair enough

[tiny summit]

All the helbores are gonna hit like a truck mk3 will do the best at deleting crushers. But that's its main winning point vs the other 2 imo

[sudden dome]

mk1 mixes with surgical and the charge faster blessing the best, its the best, mk3 has infinite sprint and stuff and its not mk2 so its not the worst

[tiny summit]

It lacking the bayonet stab is enough for me to not bother with it

[jade notch]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but:

Hellbore Mk 3 = Most powerful charged shot, charges slowest, weakest uncharged shot, slow (but powerful) bayonet swipe

Hellbore Mk 1 = Second most powerful charged shot, middle of the road charging speed, not sure about the uncharged shot, fast (and reasonably strong) bayonet thrust

Hellbore Mk 2 = 'Weakest' charged shot, fastest charging speed, not sure about the uncharged shot, fast (and reasonably strong) bayonet thrust

The last one about the bayonet special is why a lot of people prefer the Mk 1/2

[junior needle]

As far as I'm aware the uncharged shots are what you'd expect from the guns, slower or faster and more or less damage. No surprises on that end.

[sudden dome]

so technically other than hordes you never have to pull out the melee, and even then you can just claimyoure dealing with specials or do the objective

[tiny summit]

Positioning and weaving you can deal with the horde as long as you don't let yourself be surrounded

Also bringing back out the helbore is kinda a pain when needing to shoot something dead that appeared

[sudden dome]

thats a deal breaker for me, going to stick to the las pistol

[storm marlin]

Obscure question: Is the perk Deadshot affected by the 0.25s stamina regen delay perks? Tried some testing but cant really tell the difference

[south garnet]

melee and ranged are just, like, states of mind, man

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/uj6daw

I dunno man

I'm tired of trying to argue that the 7a recon lasgun isn't bad

because its outright not

its just not super duper OP broken nonsense bullshit

Its just "solid"

[fleet garden]

columnus mkV

[south garnet]

recon las commits a worse crime than being op or terrible, and that's being boring

[forest scaffold]

I do think that Dumdum/Headhunter are the way to go on the 7a though

sucks that mine is stuck with infernus

[forest scaffold]

And, if you've been playing Darktide long enough, you know how braindead easy it is to keep volleyfire up forever

And its gotten even easier with the advent of -6s on cooldown thanks to veteran's CDR talent

[serene sage]

Holy based. I regained some respects for you.

You're spot on. Recon is boring

[forest scaffold]

I mean, yeah. That's the 7a's biggest drawback.

The other two are dogshit

no beating around that bush.

But the 7a is just an IAG with no recoil.

And better ammo economy thanks to access to survivalist and critical hit no ammo cost

Honestly though

Recon lasgun best weapon to use marksman focus

I will die on that hill forever. Zero recoil, so you don't care about the headshot requirement. Fairly good finesse bonuses so the keystone isn't wasted.

Free rending cause you're always at max stacks

[bright cliff]

counterpoint: boolet

[forest scaffold]

counterpoint: funny lasers everyone can see

[bright cliff]

I let the team know what I’m doing by filling up the killfeed. we arent fighting cats. put down the laser pen.

[forest scaffold]

ranged adds don't fill up the kill feed

though granted, this recon lasgun does with elites and specials

its TTK is right up there with the best of the weapons in the game

its just a zero recoil laser pewpew

so I dunno. Sleep on it or not, its still not a bad weapon.

[sonic skiff]

stealth no ammo aura vet with powersword

how fucked is this comp

[bright cliff]

take survivalist anyway to be a team player

[forest scaffold]

I hate any and every stealth vet cause they use it to fuck off to deepest darkest corners of the maps and refuse to be useful

instead of meleeing firing squads to death

actually pain

[wanton dawn]

I am always sceptical of ttk video with exe stance

[forest scaffold]

No, I totally get that Craime.

But you've been playing the game literally as long as I have.

You know intimately how easy it is to keep Exe Stance up forever

And we get CDR on special kills now

[wanton dawn]

Fair point

[kind scarab]

Pretty sure we always had CDR on special kills

[south garnet]

This is a strong argument to use recon Las, and by the same token a strong argument to use the left keystone if you happen to be using one ha

[kind scarab]

Or do you mean they added CDR on elite kill now?

[median belfry]

I love Stelff Vet, but then again, I just ping-pong between The Bad Guys Giving us Trouble and The Boys, instead of having a last stand 4 km from the group

[wanton dawn]

Nah, just refresh

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, EXE Stance only refreshed on marked enemy kills

not lowered to cooldown to activate it again

Auric Hi-STG actually makes these into veteran's fourth keystone

Because of the special kill cooldown reduction

You can basically keep them up forever

thanks to the absolute spamminess of specials

Granted, reaching all three on a build is a tall task

but its not hard to hit two of them

[kind scarab]

So, y'all mean we get a cooldown that ain't this now?

[forest scaffold]

Thats literally the one I'm talking about

That makes keeping exe stance up forever even easier

[wanton dawn]

This is a p13 special

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, and was introduced with patch 13

[kind scarab]

Well yeah, but we've had this for a while now. I figured y'all were talking about something else since it's been out for ages now

[forest scaffold]

Psyker, Ogryn, and Zealot were the only ones with cooldown reduction in their patch 12 and before trees

Veteran only had ult refresh

[wanton dawn]

Some of us still think of pre p13 bolter man

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

its pain

RIP Bolter

Its uh

also why we lost reloading on exe stance

[jade notch]

Well, I do have my ol' Accatran VIIa lying around. I should throw up a build for that.

[serene sage]

I don't miss pre13 bolter

[forest scaffold]

Cause of Tactical Awareness

oneshot four specials

[kind scarab]

Speaking of boltor

[forest scaffold]

immediately reload with F

oneshot four specials

immediately reload with F

[jade notch]

RIP Continuous Fire, you will always live on in my heart 😔

[forest scaffold]

the play loop would've been super fuckin busted

[kind scarab]

I have even less of a reason to use boltor now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1181679456906129519/HIGH_NOON_MF.mp4

[wanton dawn]

Plasma this patch is as silly as pre p13 bolter

[serene sage]

I miss the fact that draw was instant bc everyone had to run Volley fire

[kind scarab]

Like, who thought this was a good idea?

[forest scaffold]

I wouldn't go nearly that far

Plasma's oneshot breakpoints are requirements to hit, but they're based on critical hit chance

[serene sage]

It's not representative of in game performance

[forest scaffold]

which can only be somewhat solved in vet's tree

[jade notch]

Eh? Doesn't Exec Stance now also draw your gun instantly?

[forest scaffold]

Most of the time you're going to be two shotting enemies

costing 6 ammo

and getting 1-2 back from survivalist

if you're lucky

[serene sage]

I hate clippings of people killing things in Meat Grinder under perfect situations with impractical builds

Passing it off as if it proves a point

[kind scarab]

Considering it just needs you to sit in place for like 4 seconds while the boss walks up to you. This is 100% representative of it doing too much dmage.

[forest scaffold]

there's literally nothing impractical about this

[serene sage]

It's disingenuous and misleading

[forest scaffold]

all its missing is voice of command

and you're a disgusting meta slave if you think VoC is needed on veteran

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is better in practice compared to grinder

[forest scaffold]

Unless you were talking about the revolver clip

[mental parcel]

how are you getting it to be around 12k dmg?

[forest scaffold]

in which case

I apologize profusely

[serene sage]

But this isn't the build Azreal used for the clips

[kind scarab]

Not my personal clip. This is Az's

[serene sage]

I think we are on different channels here

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, it hit me after I already word vomited.

My apologies Fox.

[mental parcel]

idk who that is

[serene sage]

Np!

[jade notch]

Do people even run the auto-Raise modifier on VoC? It feels like the pubs in Asia+Central Pacific don't.

[forest scaffold]

This is what I use for my recon lasgun

FWIW

Its basically just infinite toughness regen

thanks to exhi takedown

[wanton dawn]

Rez is not great no

[forest scaffold]

and then damage buffs for recon lasgun

[tall torrent]

Res node for VoC not that great

[forest scaffold]

and a zero skill playstyle cause no recoil

[jade notch]

Not picking up the auto-Raise node for VoC just makes it a slightly weaker Zealot Choir in terms of the Toughness overcharge, but okay

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dude-yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-gif-10470601

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/uj6daw

I promise

the recon lasgun 7a isn't bad

its just not

I dunno

revolver or plasma gun

[jade notch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene sage]

You don't just kill bosses in game.
Azreal himself said he doesn't like the new Revolver beyond silly troll builds. It's good for sure but not omg why pick anything else ever strong.

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, I don't really like the new volvo either.

Its neat.

But not really practical except for zealot.

Cause it gives the gun enough ammo economy to not care about 2sbps

and a reload speed that doesn't care about it either

[wanton dawn]

Imagine a revolver without ads

[kind scarab]

Had you been following the full conversation. You'd realise the reason why I posted that clip. Was to complain that some genius thought making that revolver was a great idea

When all it's done now, is completely make the boltor not worth using.

[tall torrent]

Getting to use it more often makes up for that

[kind scarab]

Since it's taken the one fucking thing, I ever planned on using it for.

[forest scaffold]

this is what it looks like for me

thanks crosshair remap

you are based and chadpilled

[serene sage]

And I'm directly trying to tell you the new Revolver does not replace the Bolter

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, bolter is still a solid weapon if you wanna play the DMR game

gets all the osbps back from exe stance

and they're headshot reliant so Exhi Takedown has value

[old quail]

full left side bolter is a pretty cool experience

[kind scarab]

If I wanted to use a DMR, I'd pick up a DMR

[hallow tulip]

and yet still, fire dmg will cause you to lose, cause GJ FS

[old quail]

u absolutely demolish anything u have the space to shoot

[forest scaffold]

And exe stance removes recoil

[tall torrent]

The new revolver does not come close to replacing bolter

[wanton dawn]

I need to remap my plasma crosshair

[kind scarab]

For my specific use-cases, it does

[wanton dawn]

Fire damage is too much rn, we know

[forest scaffold]

I think I'm adopting a new persona though josho. mk7a recon lasgun shill #veteran-class message

[kind scarab]

Boltor feels like piss to use

[old quail]

lmao

godspeed

[forest scaffold]

I've converted enough people to inspiring barrage

[old quail]

i hate recon lasguns because the weapon feels unfun to shoot to me

[forest scaffold]

time for my next project

[old quail]

https://streamable.com/j8j791

[tall torrent]

For magdumping? I guess? But that’s not really what you pick a bolter for anymore

[serene sage]

Bolter can do this

[old quail]

anyways bolter is a fantastic one-shot machine

[wanton dawn]

I'll go back to bayonet build after fire get fixed

[old quail]

magdumping bosses (if you hit some number of headshots/crit with cavalcade if ur BASED) nets you a decent amount of damage

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, its just big donkey nuts on zealot now

[jade notch]

You only get 5 Loadouts with base Darktide

What

[forest scaffold]

my anti-crusher tool :(

[old quail]

yeah

[forest scaffold]

now I'm kinda left without a solution on zealot to crushers

which is extremely painful

I know I know

Indignatus is RIGHT THERE

[kind scarab]

If I want to Oneshot, I use the OG revolver, if I want to magdum I use the new revolver

[forest scaffold]

but its still not as fun as heavy sword+bolter

[kind scarab]

What's the point in the boltor at this point

[wanton dawn]

Not magdumping thats for sure

[serene sage]

@kind scarab

[old quail]

wanting to magdump is wanting to waste ur own time imo

[forest scaffold]

have you seen momentum bolter?

[old quail]

so like not really that worthwhile

[wanton dawn]

Nope

[serene sage]

This is from today in Auric T5 HISGT

[forest scaffold]

https://streamable.com/pcrpjm

Watch this craime

its fucking hilarious

[old quail]

it has way better damage vs ranged elites, ESPECIALLY reapers

[serene sage]

With a triple Toughness setup and middle tree

[old quail]

because if u chill and wait for surgical u can 1 tap em iirc

[kind scarab]

Which the new revolver can also do, and then I'm still left with a revolver that can oneshot all specials/elites sans mutties/oggies at extremely far ranges

[old quail]

and u dont really deal with reloading

[kind scarab]

You ain't selling it

[wanton dawn]

Ah, its like limbsplitter bayo ?

[forest scaffold]

No. Momentum is a keystone on zealot

[serene sage]

You are on crack if you think somehow the Bolter can't

[kind scarab]

It's not that the boltor can't

[serene sage]

Lmao do you even play the gun or just talking

[forest scaffold]

and chastise was patched in patch 13 to work with full auto weapons

[kind scarab]

It's that the revolver does it better

[forest scaffold]

So momentum gives you 20% attack speed

chastise gives you 20% attack speed

[wanton dawn]

I think i saw a zealot play it once

[forest scaffold]

and leads to this funny business

with a bolter having 40% more attack speed

[wanton dawn]

Scoreboard was showing he was eating good

[serene sage]

The new one can't ADS homie

[forest scaffold]

It does not.

[kind scarab]

Revolver doesnt need to ADS

[forest scaffold]

New Volvo gets less accurate the faster you fire it

[serene sage]

okay fam

[forest scaffold]

The "mag dump" is mostly a meme

[kind scarab]

Unless you want to shoot shit from the end of the map

[forest scaffold]

Its just nice for quick followup shots give or take

more on the pace of the MG12

or so

[old quail]

its funny if u spam the fan animation though

[forest scaffold]

than just BLAPBLAPBLAP

[lofty summit]

i busted

[serene sage]

I guess you are just a god hipfiring one shot snipers 60m out without some kind of crosshair mods

In which case I withdraw my objections

[forest scaffold]

I can't even do that

[serene sage]

You are just better with god aim

[forest scaffold]

Though I don't really crosshair remap much

just to have a crosshair with ironsights

and on plasma gun

[old quail]

crosshair remap is a godsend

i love it

one of the best mods

[jade notch]

Everything about that gat is fast.

Including running out of bullets

[forest scaffold]

like, this is my plasma gun crosshair

its just the staff crosshair

which is objectively better than the bfg one

[wanton dawn]

I just want a dot

[forest scaffold]

I like seeing the fire rate

sorry, charge rate, bars.

You can minimize ammo expenditure that way

not a lot

but using 7 ammo instead of 9 adds up

when you're just trying to guarantee one-shots

[wanton dawn]

Well, i never charge

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

that's the biggest problem with plasma gun

it needs like

500 damage

on uncharged shots

and a terrible finesse value

[pulsar drift]

does charge rate affect left spam?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[forest scaffold]

so that fully charging it matters more

[pulsar drift]

i see

thats why my 62 takes such a long time to shot

[forest scaffold]

how do you think I feel

[pulsar drift]

needs to get around 70 ;D

[forest scaffold]

not anymore

charge rate bug was patched in carnival pt2

damage is always the same regardless of charge rate now

[pulsar drift]

nah cuz I am melee

so gotta have something shoot fast

[forest scaffold]

Oh

I just deal with it

worst case scenario

kill gets hot for uh

volatile

I know, I know, at 80% heat, you can get three shots off uncharged

and a critical hit oneshots flamers, gunners, and ragers

so gets hot has value

but it just feels like more gambling in a game already full of it

[wanton dawn]

I think patch boosted mine

[lone yoke]

Am I leaving stamina and replacing groaners/poxwalkers with flak?

[pulsar drift]

Yea wat mod is this?

[forest scaffold]

yes

I am amazed

that nobody has commented on my UI mod

but once

[pulsar drift]

Maybe with maniac

[forest scaffold]

look at the stat bars

[wanton dawn]

Color lock ? Dunno the exact name

[forest scaffold]

[forest scaffold]

this has done a lot for my sanity, to be completely honest.

Seeing a 65% weapon hurts way less when the stat bars are visually capped at 80%

[pulsar drift]

In case that have to choose between flak and maniac

I give it to maniac

[forest scaffold]

and it really brings into perspective how little a dump stat matters

There's only a handful of guns in the game that care about 15% damage

for actual breakpoints

[pulsar drift]

Yea

[sonic skiff]

update

power sword stealth zealot

aggro'd a crusher mauler pod

and then ran it back to us

with 0 pings

[lone yoke]

devastating to slaughter and crit to maniac, right?

[sonic skiff]

yeah ps stealth zealot was uh

[kind scarab]

Just as the god emperor intended

[sonic skiff]

not a good build

[dusty ferry]

Slaughter/rampage and yes, maniac.

[sonic skiff]

in case anyone was curious

[wanton dawn]

Tf is a ps stealth zealot

[sonic skiff]

vet

oopsies

[serene sage]

No it is not, in fact, it's not possible

[kind scarab]

Two-handed PS in build 15

[sonic skiff]

i wish

exe new revolver vet very fun

[serene sage]

PS6 stealth is really good

[sonic skiff]

but not having shout sucks

[serene sage]

Because the PS6 is good

[jade notch]

Okay, I was wondering when tf Zealots got Power Sword

The guys over at #zealot-class would never let us hear the end of it if they did

[forest scaffold]

Slaughter?

[serene sage]

The best veteran I know uses it.

[forest scaffold]

On Chainsword?

[wanton dawn]

Ps6 can deal with crusher group rather easily with sunder

[forest scaffold]

Chainsword doesn't get slaughterer right

[sonic skiff]

well

[forest scaffold]

do you mean savage sweep

[sonic skiff]

he definitely didn't deal with it

[forest scaffold]

frysquint.gif

[sonic skiff]

since it was behind us with no warning

[dusty ferry]

Rampage I think, Puri

Slaughter IDR

[serene sage]

Sounds like skill issues and not build issues

[forest scaffold]

Yeah I know it gets rampage

its been the only good blessing on chainsword for ages

[dusty ferry]

Kek

True

[serene sage]

How did yall walk past a group of Crushers and not noticed

[forest scaffold]

And frankly, still is the only good blessing on chainsword

even moreso, now that its power

[serene sage]

Deserved tbh

[sonic skiff]

sycorax

walked around a passageway

[dusty ferry]

My best chainsword is just devastating and savage sweep
Rampage hates me

[forest scaffold]

this is mine

[serene sage]

I guess it can happen

[wanton dawn]

Come on man, patch was a few days ago. Crusher just got a voice check

[forest scaffold]

I use it on swappy swappy veteran

with plasma gun

[sonic skiff]

i dont think stealth vet aggroing a mob and then telling no one is a skill issue for us lmfao

[serene sage]

Still, crushers yell in your ears now

[forest scaffold]

cause I need some kinda reprieve from power sword

somewhere

that isn't ogryn melee

[bold ibex]

just fuck me up hadron

[forest scaffold]

[serene sage]

Yeah it happens

[forest scaffold]

my inner sweaty rarely allows me to use something else on vet

[serene sage]

Though admittedly I'm surprised none of the 3 hear anything suspicious

[wanton dawn]

I use either ps or bayonet. Nothing else

[bold ibex]

What the fuck

[wanton dawn]

Sad that melee vet is nerfed by fire current state

[bold ibex]

WHY DO YOU GOTTA REWARD THE DESPERATION ROLLS, HADRON. IT HAS 39 FUCKING STABILITY

[wanton dawn]

STOP YELLING DVA

[serene sage]

But you rolled it in the first place

[bold ibex]

this is getting power cycler 4 on ilvl <320 pswords seven times all over again.

[kind scarab]

Why did you roll a desperation roll instead of a decent one

[bold ibex]

YOU AREN'T MY REAL DAD

[dusty ferry]

I still find melee vet to be strong
me who runs deadshot and atrox axe btw, cringe

[somber adder]

need some help respeccing for a fanning revolver/knife build, I'll be changing the smoke grenade perk because its really not good at all

[bold ibex]

because it was that or I was gonna buy an even shittier one for melt bucks

i now have raking fire 4 to go with dumdum4 so... I mean...

[kind scarab]

So no matter what, you were gonna play yourself

[dusty ferry]

I will just say you are a walking shard of glass

[bold ibex]

honey I've been doing that since middleschool. AIn't gonna stop now.

[kind scarab]

So you still ain't learned your lesson since middleschool

[spark berry]

best blessings on new chainaxe?

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-reaper-crack-neck-leaving-ready-gif-24821475

[serene sage]

You don't need both low profile and toughness damage reduction on Stealth