veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

man

[south spindle]

Haha, BAG go BRRRRRRRT

[bitter turtle]

idk what to do with the tree with columnus now

[atomic zephyr]

which columnus

[bitter turtle]

iag

ofc

[viral nacelle]

So do you spend the whole time crouching? Are you a crab warrior?

[atomic zephyr]

the col IAG is comically op with marksmans focus

[bitter turtle]

i want to grab everything 😔

[topaz pebble]

Colomnus is comically op in general

[atomic zephyr]

true

[topaz pebble]

Like, unironically vet uses it the worst

[viral nacelle]

Col is good enough to not need the tree, it claps on its own. Go full grenadier and level the map

[bitter turtle]

what would something that is uncomically op look like

[topaz pebble]

Zealot or gunker

Actually busted

[serene sage]

patch 12 Assail

[viral nacelle]

Nah

[bitter turtle]

actually true

[topaz pebble]

Release vet

Patch 14 vet

[serene sage]

patch 14 vet?

[viral nacelle]

Legit busted but because power sword was nuttier than squirrel shit

[serene sage]

the mariana trench tree vet?

[topaz pebble]

100 toughness VoC on a sub 30s cooldown

You were jesus

[south spindle]

Nope, whole time pushing enemies, dont do that crouching nonsense

[topaz pebble]

A demigod walking amongst the masses

[atomic zephyr]

oh yeah i remember that

[viral nacelle]

“Oh yeah lemme unlimited cleave OHK all the crushers this is fine”

[serene sage]

I mean it's still true

[viral nacelle]

🦀

[topaz pebble]

Now instead of being a god, you're just a demigod

[serene sage]

you don't need the extra 50 overshield tbh

[atomic zephyr]

i mean, VoC is still nutty
also question
i heard somewhere that the shout revive timer only applies if you pick up an ally, otherwise its 30 seconds
is that true or have i baited myself

[serene sage]

I didn't even notice the difference

[topaz pebble]

Dont take shout res

[viral nacelle]

Yeah who needs to shrug off burster attacks

[topaz pebble]

You are gimping yourself

[serene sage]

not true, it's 45s always, i took it once in a game patch 14

[atomic zephyr]

it shrugs off bursters with the +50

[serene sage]

admittedly not 15 but yknow

unlikley to change

[atomic zephyr]

fuck someone in vet chat lied to me

[viral nacelle]

Yes 😂

[topaz pebble]

Shout stacks with other overtoughness abilities too

So when my friend and I went in to maelstrom

We had 400 toughness

Permanently

[viral nacelle]

I take it when I know it’s gonna be one of those matches

[serene sage]

4 vets chaining shout will make any match a cakewalk

[atomic zephyr]

just bring four shout vets to maelstrom and turn up the music

[serene sage]

provided you have enough fire power which is easy cause you are, yknow, vets

[viral nacelle]

Like you can tell just looking at some people’s characters that they’re a hard r

[atomic zephyr]

a reject?

[sinful flax]

Any experienced group will make any Maelstrom a cakewalk

[topaz pebble]

Like, kneecap mk6 ps

Please

[south spindle]

Which one?

[topaz pebble]

Just, bolgun to the kneecaps

[atomic zephyr]

mk6 is worthless w/o power cycler

[viral nacelle]

👁️ 👁️

[serene sage]

you don't have to be experienced tbh, like fresh, lets be reasonable and say level 45s with good communication is enough

[sinful flax]

Boltgun is really for role playing purposes in the game rn

[serene sage]

the point is 4 shout vets significantly reduce the skill requirements

[viral nacelle]

Boltgun with exe stance is pretty fun

[south spindle]

Nah, you really do, those people are just getting carried the whole game

[serene sage]

just communicate when you are shouting

[unreal drum]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9acae57a-473f-4a2e-8ed6-8476326cc09b/lol-8 This right here slaps pretty hard. Use whatever weapons really. Just toss kraks around like candy and pew pew all the things.

[topaz pebble]

Like 4 VoC vets is probably the easiest run you'll have

[viral nacelle]

But you must accept that you’re paper if you go exe bolter

[topaz pebble]

Next to 4 psykers each with half a braincell

[serene sage]

no we are talking about hypothetical 4 vets running shout and how experienced you need to be to consistently beating AMaelstrom

[south spindle]

Largely doesnt matter tho tbf, because everything that would do you a mischief is mulched

[topaz pebble]

Out of all the classes, psyker still gives me the most privilege

[sinful flax]

ranged attack suppresion? wut?

[viral nacelle]

You’re not wrong but some people take that build and then think “it ok, I can face tank all the rager” and then spend the whole mission with tied hands and a ball gag

[serene sage]

you can just run shout with Bolter I think

[south spindle]

Shout is questionable for Boltgun honestly

[topaz pebble]

Be a chad and run hellbores

[viral nacelle]

One shot every ten minutes

[bitter turtle]

they nerfed bayonets

[serene sage]

idk, I run Bolter Shout since patch 13

[bitter turtle]

what's the point of helbore anymore

😔

[sinful flax]

Why Bolter, when you have Plasma?

[unreal drum]

Yeah man, pew pew in a random direction and everything goes "aaahhhhhhhhhh oohhh noooo"

[viral nacelle]

“Bad guys stay where you are i need to draw my gun”
three hours laters

[serene sage]

preferences

[median belfry]

IRL?

[south spindle]

Sure you can, but is it optimal? Not really, Shout implies youre gonna in the thick of it all the time, better off with a gun thats fairly quick to draw imo, but if it works for ya more power to you

[serene sage]

well I consistently top or second in total damage while topping at least a few categories of elie/spec kills so idk

[viral nacelle]

Honestly true but some men just want to bolter

[unreal drum]

I would for sure do that if someone pew pewed in my direction with a real gun.

[serene sage]

yeah i do well with it

at lesat based on my definition of well

[median belfry]

high T post

[south spindle]

did you ever try it with exe'/MF out of interest?

[unreal drum]

pop your shout and poke crushers in the face for a really fun time with your mk6ps.

[serene sage]

the thing is I believe exec stance is bad with Bolter because you are playing a clunky weapon, you don't want a glass canon ult
sure you draw faster but the situations where you need to draw fast are also the ones you are likely to take damage

better to stagger and reposition

also bolter IS BAD but not THAT BAD

[topaz pebble]

I believe bolter is bad

That is all

[south spindle]

Like i said prior, it largely doesnt matter if you're glass because the dangerous stuff is meltoed pretty much instantly

[topaz pebble]

Run hellbores instead

[unreal drum]

Bolter needs some love before. It's useable but just gets outclassed by other things.

[south spindle]

Its one of the highest damage weapons in the game atm, make it any stronger an it'll be totally dominant again

[serene sage]

lol I wish I can confidently say that I can eliminate everything in sight
but I can't, maybe you have god aims

[unreal drum]

Anytime I'm playing bolter I just sit there and think about how the situation would be better with another weapon.

If you have a glass cannon build just make sure to take Exhil TakeDown, they fixed it and it stacks 3 times. Congrats you're not so glassy now.

[south spindle]

I have decent aim, wouldnt call it god tier, but it literally evicserates everything in a single shot, dont need have god tier aim to leverage that, its 5 HS kills to max out MF now, an thats ludicrously easy to do

Hell, you'll often cap it out shooting something in a crowd coz of the peirce

[serene sage]

I mean I play Bolter almost exclusively, but I can only provide anecdotal experience that no you can't eliminate every threats like you are rambo
You do a lot of damage yes but it's not like you delete screen everywhere you go

[topaz pebble]

Like I'll occasionally take the bolter cause its fun

[south spindle]

Not like Rambo no, because it doesnt suit the close in playstyle, you've deffo gotta be more reserved with your positioning, but it will delete all the things that are likely to cause wipes

[serene sage]

the way I am interpreting your message right now is that you hold W and kill everything one tap

[topaz pebble]

But the performance of it is terrible compared to like any other weapon I could've brought

[serene sage]

which is not the case per my experience

[south spindle]

Nooo, its not a BAG, you've gotta hold yourself back from the team, treat it like a DMR, but it will delete whatever you point it at

[serene sage]

you don't insta gib every threat in sight, which is why you want shout so you can have time ot reload and reposition

[south spindle]

Yeah no.. you really will with MF setup

Insta-gib is the name of the game

[unreal drum]

pew pew splat.

[south spindle]

Rager? Ded, Mauler? Ded, Flamer? Ded

It gives no fucks till you get to Crusher/Mutie

An they're two shots with max MF stacks

[serene sage]

well I'll just admit that you're better than i am

¯_(ツ)_/¯

anyway

[south spindle]

Nah, it aint like that, just try it 🙂

[serene sage]

I did lmao

[unreal drum]

But we are professionals and we threw krak grenades at those.

[south spindle]

Honestly i was surprised when i first got it rolling

[sudden dome]

that was my issue with the bolter, the blessings want you to stagger but everything turns into mist so you cant use your blessings

[serene sage]

I play Bolter exclusively for like 300+ hours at this point

[south spindle]

I would like to squeeze those in, but alas, points cost

[serene sage]

I've tried Exec Stance MF

I do okay, not the consistency or safety of shout Bolt

I don't hate the build, I just personally cant aim well enough to hit shot everything in sight

[trim hemlock]

How heavily did your build change Fox, by the way? I.e., from P15 to P16

[south spindle]

Fairy muff dude

[serene sage]

wait are we on P15

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been wanting to make an exe build work so I’ll give bolter another go

[serene sage]

i thought we are on p15

[south spindle]

P-16 no?

[serene sage]

o.o

[unreal drum]

Have you tried the weapon mods to add a sight to it to get a better aim picture?

[serene sage]

kek

[sullen merlin]

So uhhh, are there plans to fix the clusterfuck that is Veterans talent tree?

[viral nacelle]

I’ve given up on lasgun exe

It’s no hope

[south spindle]

Can post build if you want?

[unreal drum]

Only reason I don't play lasguns is ogryns.

[serene sage]

I did, but I used the old one
The reflect sight on Bolter is slightly off target for whatever reason

[viral nacelle]

Sure

[sharp ember]

we JUST got the best iteration of it yet

[serene sage]

oh it's so much better

[sullen merlin]

If this is best then oh boy

[midnight patrol]

Okay. I finally managed to DL the update and mess around a bit

[serene sage]

https://imgur.com/a/6Hh3LAH

[viral nacelle]

Lasguns are pretty solid but exe sucks with them. I go deadshot to shock trooper and then the rest of the points is mid or right tree

[serene sage]

my old build

[viral nacelle]

No recons, stick to the semi auto lasguns

[midnight patrol]

My crit spam Vraks mk7 is as memey as I expected with 20% rending in play.

[sharp ember]

i've been getting the nodes i've been wanting now that multiple layers of tax nodes have been compressed

[viral nacelle]

It fucks hard

[serene sage]

the match history is there bc some dumbnuts on Reddit was like you can't use Bolter in AT5/M

[viral nacelle]

People don’t know how good vraks7 weakspot crit is rn

[midnight patrol]

Can reliably 4 to 5 headshot a Crusher with a little bit of patience and spamming shots

Trying to replicate me panicking occasionally when it's barreling down on me

[unreal drum]

I had the best luck with the 1a.

[trim hemlock]

(These guys*)

[viral nacelle]

I tend to like the slow and hard ones over the fast and soft

[serene sage]

this is the one im using

[midnight patrol]

It's also surprisingly easy to keep 10 focus stacks up with camo too

[south spindle]

@viral nacelle

[unreal drum]

I used those at first but found myself missing out on kills due to firerate issues.

[midnight patrol]

Just headshot two poxwalkers surrounding the crusher and your attacking shots hit 10 stacks anyway

[viral nacelle]

Ok I would not at all have guessed pinning fire

[trim hemlock]

[south spindle]

Best roll for it in all honesty

[viral nacelle]

I see we have the same mandatory traits at the bottom of mid tree 😂

[south spindle]

Ye gotta be done

[midnight patrol]

What I did not expect was dropping maniac ragers with two or three crits to the chest @viral nacelle lol

It took me completely by surprise. I could never do that before lol

[viral nacelle]

Woah you don’t like the toughness break trait into scav?

[midnight patrol]

Headshots is a one and done

[south spindle]

Its nice, but i dont feel like i need it on that build, can wipe elites an specials so fast you basically never lose toughenss to em

Certainly run it on other builds tho

[midnight patrol]

But then in that same testing run I had a friend with a plasma just delete 9 ragers with a single railgunning shot

[viral nacelle]

Ok makes sense

[midnight patrol]

That did tamper down my excitement a fair bit.

[south spindle]

Plasma is a bit of an anomaly really, shouldnt be comparing other stuff to it imo

[viral nacelle]

Savin that bolter madness for when I get done moving

[unreal drum]

A lot of builds damage and performance is dependant on others.

[south spindle]

Hope move goes smoothly pal

Stressful shit that

[serene sage]

the truth is the plasma deleted 1 ragers in a single shot, the other 8 ragers just happen to line up behind him

[unreal drum]

No one gets to do damage if you have a stealthy martyr combat axe zealot running slighty ahead and killing everything. Same with voidstrike crit builds that just delete mostly everything. Or even gunlugger kickbacks.

[south spindle]

Oh no my bad, i do have that on, swapped it out the other day

I forgot bout that, just logged back in to double check an its on there

[midnight patrol]

I know I shouldn't be comparing it. But it's like

[unreal drum]

At the end of the day. Play what's fun and what you're good at.

[midnight patrol]

It was a little demoralizing to be pulling off 40 meter counter sniper shots and my friend is literally just left clicking here and there and the kill feed is nothing but their name lol

[south spindle]

Well look at it like this, Plasma, though fun, is kinda the "no-hoper can't aim for shit" weapon at the minute

[serene sage]

no I will look down on anyone who is not running what I am running because that is not optimal build
but I will also hate anyone who is running what I am running because they are copying me

[midnight patrol]

Yeah, I guess you guys are right

[south spindle]

Its a nice dopamine hit for a while, but once you realise it has basically no skill ceiling, that lustre falls off real sharp

[midnight patrol]

I'm just happy I could prove to them that my playstyle and build is viable in Damnation now

[unreal drum]

Sometimes it be like that. You have to wonder though, what is giving that person the space to keep doing that? Are you the one keeping the pressure off?

[midnight patrol]

Hell the new shovels allowed me to self defence against ragers and that made me really happy

[viral nacelle]

It’s pretty awesome, I was gonna take it regardless as I like having that get out of fuckup free card in my pocket

[south spindle]

Its pretty spectacular being able to dome Ragers for thier whole HP bar lmao

[midnight patrol]

It's usually a party dicey dance for me. But I could reliably no damage smack em now

[unreal drum]

I don't know if I can use another melee on the vet that's not a mk6ps.

Sooooo gut.

[south spindle]

Is pretty damn solid for sure ye

[viral nacelle]

Once you go devil claw you’ll never go back

[serene sage]

what is giving that person the space to keep doing that?
the safety of wall penetration
Are you the one keeping the pressure off?
no need because 100 cleave, you kill the target and anything in between, and anything beyond

[viral nacelle]

That parry 👌

[midnight patrol]

I was clearing their ass pretty well yeah. That run had ridiculous gunner spawns

[south spindle]

Ye, being able to parry all the bosses is a helluva thing

Melee Karnak? Hitless, ezpz

[unreal drum]

I for sure used to be a DClaw enjoyer, it just doesn't live in the same space as a mk6ps.

[muted knot]

this is good no?

[midnight patrol]

Gunners in the rafters and catwalks shooting down at us like MG42 gun nests

[viral nacelle]

It’s so good, you feel like such a badass 😂

[midnight patrol]

My Vraks did pretty well one tapping them

[sudden dome]

my main issue with claw is everyone starts staggering the ragers on top of me breaking the flow because they think Im about to die

[serene sage]

Yes, nearly unbrickable, nearly

[tall torrent]

I think the Karnak twins are carapace instead of unyielding

[south spindle]

Straight up, damage is solid with Rampage/Shred too, them critical parries rock

[muted knot]

watch me brick this shit so hard

[viral nacelle]

They cannot comprehend the power of the fully operational devil’s claw

[midnight patrol]

I forget the new mission's name. But it made me consider getting the talents that marks all my marked targets with ex stance

So much smoke Jesus..

[sudden dome]

without parry killing ragers takes so long just let me fight them

[viral nacelle]

That mission is speedrun central

[muted knot]

well...

[serene sage]

spam ping into the smoke as a poor man target higlihting

[viral nacelle]

You can just blow through the whole thing at high speed, it’s pretty silly

[muted knot]

@serene sage id say it aint quite optimal

[tall torrent]

What perks should I run on the mk3 shovel

[bleak bolt]

change unyielding to flak and drop wrath for something else, idk

[wet anvil]

Just bring the right chopper next time

[south spindle]

Depends what you want it for

[serene sage]

no, probably rampage and flak swap it seems?

[muted knot]

why drop wrath ?

[tall torrent]

I have a 20% unarmored I can’t change rn

[serene sage]

I mean drop bloodthirsty

[south spindle]

If you run Carapace + Thrust/Uncanny you can oneshot Crushers with it, on a dedicated melee setup ofc

[muted knot]

yeah thatswhat i figured

[wet anvil]

That new revolver

[rigid pilot]

chainaxe?

[wet anvil]

Idk how I feel about it

[rigid pilot]

you dont need carapace

[midnight patrol]

It has the flow of a Call of Duty prison escape map. I don't mind it

[muted knot]

so flak for unyielding or maniac ?

[south spindle]

MKIII Shovel

[midnight patrol]

Makes for a nice run and gun feel

[tall torrent]

No, mk3 shovel

[rigid pilot]

oh lmao

wait really?

[midnight patrol]

Although there was a lot of shovel and gun in my case lol

[south spindle]

Yep

[rigid pilot]

with uncanny maxed?

[south spindle]

No, on the first hit

[tall torrent]

I only have lv3 uncanny

[rigid pilot]

bruh

shovel op?

[south spindle]

Its pretty fuckin stronk

[rigid pilot]

theres only one quirk

[south spindle]

Yeah, no poke

[rigid pilot]

heavy shovel doesnt work on bulwark

only light opens it

idk why

[muted knot]

is it worth to grab rampage off of my old sword ? i dont have it unlocked

[bleak bolt]

unyielding - because flak* armor type is more plentiful, and chainsword is mid on larger targets

[south spindle]

Ye, though Shred/Rampage would all round be better than a cleave blessing imo

[wet anvil]

Ah nothing like a chainsaw

[south spindle]

But what about... A bigger chainsaw

[bleak bolt]

i just treat the chainsword as a horde clearer with some ability to kill most elites/specials

[cedar horizon]

or two chainsaws

[bleak bolt]

but using it on bulwarks/crushers is... tough

[wet anvil]

The zealots got them unfortunately

[bleak bolt]

especially on higher diffs

[south spindle]

Two chainsaws strapped together with bungie cords and ducttape

[muted knot]

thats what the plasmagun is for

[bleak bolt]

pair it with a ranged weapon that can kill the big dudes fast

[bleak bolt]

exactly

[atomic zephyr]

dual wield chainsword when

[bleak bolt]

i want the chainsword to be good (ie viable in damnation), just not there yet

[serene sage]

It is though?

[south spindle]

Its viable in Damnation?

[bleak bolt]

chain weaopns should apply x stacks of bleed on hit natively

[thick rose]

what does collateral do on braced?

[south spindle]

Stagger

[atomic zephyr]

wdym i use chainsword just fine on damnation

[bleak bolt]

nah lol, at least imo

[south spindle]

No like, it really is, i ran Aurics with a green one like a month ago an it was fine

[bleak bolt]

it doesn't clutch as hard as say a power sword or a good axe

[thick rose]

how important is stagger to braced guns?

[atomic zephyr]

its tougher to use than a powersword sure but

[bleak bolt]

but idk - i let go of using chain weapons awhile back so my opinion is biased

[serene sage]

You might need a better sword then, because CS is completely fine in Auric T5/M. Not quite S tier but solidly A imo

[south spindle]

Powersword is like Plasma, you shouldnt be setting that as the standard for other weapons because its broken as fuck

[bleak bolt]

post your chainsword cuz i want a good one tbh

but hadron = final boss

[atomic zephyr]

ive found that a chainsword special heavy to the face of a crusher will kill it in 2-3 swings

or more like

3-4

and will kill most other elites or specials straight up

[bleak bolt]

but you're tied down doing the special animation vs PS with power cycler or an axe that pierces carapace np

you can duck in/out and be mobile

[atomic zephyr]

true, but at least uo can dodge out of it now

[serene sage]

I can't log in rn but it has Rampage Bloodletter and Maniac perk with a random perk that I can't change

[bleak bolt]

i know you can now with a chain weapon but it's harder to get dmg done doing it

[serene sage]

Base is like 370+

[thick rose]

or... what is the stat prio on graia braced?

[atomic zephyr]

mobility dump stat

[bleak bolt]

lucky

[south spindle]

Damage, ammo

Everything else is kinda eh

[bleak bolt]

i have a chain sword, lemme pull it up one sec

[atomic zephyr]

yeah its a braced autogun you dont have to think about it too hard

[serene sage]

Spam light for hordes, special heavy for Mutants, special light for everything else. Of course, be careful with melee elites because they hurt.

[bleak bolt]

def takes some more finesse - you can make up in skill for it for sure

[serene sage]

There's a certain satisfaction in reving the sword, charge heavy, dodge the mutie while swinging back killing it in one blow

[bleak bolt]

but honestly i love my antax axe tho

[proven cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-uncanny-mr-incredible-uncanny-mr-incredible-becoming-uncanny-mem-gif-26328494

[serene sage]

You should try it

[bleak bolt]

more than the PS (cuz i cannot for hte life of me find PC tier 4)

[atomic zephyr]

honestly i just prefer the chainsword over power sword because i dont have to worry about combos to kill things

[serene sage]

Caxes are great, my main weapon right now

[atomic zephyr]

rashad axe <3

[bleak bolt]

FS is you're listening, add bleed stack on hit for chainswords natively - por favor

[serene sage]

Rashas ❤️

[atomic zephyr]

i use my old brumomentum/headtaker rashad from when brumoment was busted as fuck and its still good

[bleak bolt]

Rashad is bae fo sho - just need hadron to give me some luv

[bleak bolt]

oh yeah - when it procs you're just decimating anything

one swing, heads roll

[atomic zephyr]

just aim for the head yeah

[bleak bolt]

and you're pretty mobile too

[atomic zephyr]

i remember when it was better trash clear than a powersword though

that was stupid

[bleak bolt]

imo - PS needs setup time for the special to do it, but PC t4 makes it godly

[tiny summit]

Tried out the new chainaxe. Having relentless lights that don't catch on small enemies like the strikedown lights of the og chainaxe is nice. Lmb spam handles hordes pretty nice. Rev l1 will kill anything below a mutant, rev h1 can kill crushers. Problem. Those relentless lights feel so wimpy against the horde. The sound feels too weak. It's like I'm using a small baton against them. Kill them fine, but it's nowhere near as satisfying as most of the other weapons to me

[atomic zephyr]

i still dont have PC4

[bleak bolt]

without tho, a good axe with brut mo works just fine

[bleak bolt]

same - after 300+ hours, i finally got pc3

[atomic zephyr]

ouch

i got pc3 at 100 hours, rip dude

[serene sage]

I have 4 natural PC4s

[bleak bolt]

[tiny summit]

I don't have pc3 or 4.

[serene sage]

2 of which are on 370+ base as well

[atomic zephyr]

for scale i also recently hit 300 hours

hadron hates you

[bleak bolt]

she really does man

[serene sage]

varlet

[viral nacelle]

So chainaxe users how it been? How is the horde clear on it and how does it do against ragers/crushers?

[serene sage]

they need to fix crafting (again)

[bleak bolt]

FS plz

[viral nacelle]

Meh crafting is annoying but regular running of high end missions lets you craft whatever

[serene sage]

also I feel like the game is being power crept a lot

[viral nacelle]

And they massively booped up plas drops

[serene sage]

the damage in the game is so high

[tiny summit]

#veteran-class message

[bleak bolt]

heres my cs btw:

im gonna drop infested for Maniac

ive just neglected it lol

[atomic zephyr]

oh those blessings are,,not sure about them tbh lol

[bleak bolt]

poo poo? i know

again - Hardron 💀

[atomic zephyr]

you've gotta at least have rampage lying around somewhere

[serene sage]

I mean yeah, I have nearrly 100k plasteel lying around
Idc about crafting anything anymore, but I know people who don't have tons of hours who are struggling.
imo if you put 200+ hours in a game at least let them comfortably get all of the "essential" blessings at least.

[tiny summit]

With a bleed 4 blessing though with the new chainaxe I have, if I dodge cancel out of the rev hit, it will bleed a crusher to half hp

[atomic zephyr]

yeah im not super hurting for plasteel since i run damnation but im a little sketched out rn since my plasteel balance is around 6k

[bleak bolt]

i prob do, cant check rn

[atomic zephyr]

try out a rampage/savage sweep cs at some point

[bleak bolt]

ill give it a shot

[atomic zephyr]

itll do enough damage at base to take care of elites and the blessings will let you obliterate hordes

[bleak bolt]

heres my bae tho

[tiny summit]

Be nice if you could just cash out diamantine to unlock blessings

[viral nacelle]

I think their design vision changed from a slower paced cover shooter centric game to a faster paced high enemy density melee centric game and the power changes are in service of that vision changed

[bleak bolt]

gets me thru auric damnation no problem

[atomic zephyr]

when are they patching the fire?

[tiny summit]

Probably whenever the next hot fix is

[simple gale]

what perks/blessings

[tiny summit]

Sooooo you'll either get it in the next week or so or until new year

[simple gale]

i want to horde clear right?

[atomic zephyr]

shred to savage sweep

sprint efficiency to maniac

then you've got a banger chainsword

[serene sage]

or just change both perks, that works, too

shred with desperado isn't bad

[atomic zephyr]

oh word

[warm idol]

the other chainsword is better for that

[atomic zephyr]

havent tried that

[simple gale]

ooh cheers

[atomic zephyr]

eh i feel the XIIIg does good horde clear too

[warm idol]

new one has a lot of strikedowns

[atomic zephyr]

used it for a while last night

both are solid tools imo its just down to preference over moveset

i love the strikedown heavies

[bleak bolt]

if they fix crafting - maybe we can try out diff builds a little easier

lol

[warm idol]

if you really wanna use it for hordes get savage sweep instead of shred and swap sprint for flak or maniac, but imo its better to keep this one for single target and get the other one for hordes

[warm idol]

maybe in a year

[south garnet]

To fix it implies it's broken, i.e. not fulfilling its intended purpose by design of its creators/perpetrators

[gaunt hinge]

what are you even supposed to pair that sword with

a shredder?

[bleak bolt]

the chainsword?

[gaunt hinge]

if you cant use it for horde clear

yeah

[bleak bolt]

id pair with something that can down big bois easy

ie plasma

[gaunt hinge]

the new mk

[warm idol]

yeah thats the issue zealot has flame as a ranged horde clear

psyker got staffs

ogryn got rumbler and kickback

vet doesn't really have a ranged horde clear that is ammo efficient for that

[atomic zephyr]

ive been pairing it with a laspistol 💀

[warm idol]

ig iv or ia lasguns those things have a fuckton of ammo

nades too

[bleak bolt]

i think as of rn, the vet is more for ranged takedown of dangerous elites/specs

[midnight patrol]

The shotguns are all amazing horde clear

And have adequate single target

[bleak bolt]

ammo is a prob

[warm idol]

wouldnt call them very ammo efficient

[midnight patrol]

..Okay except the Agri shotgun. That doesn't do well

[midnight patrol]

Kant with Scattershot and flechette can get very close to Kickback levels of memery

[warm idol]

speaking of sbotties is kantrael the best one

[midnight patrol]

Especially with a bleed and burn build

[bleak bolt]

a shottie class i have fun with on heresy diff

[atomic zephyr]

idk i like the agrippina shotgun

[warm idol]

I miss my black ops dragons breath

[atomic zephyr]

slugs open up bulwarks like a tin can

[bleak bolt]

the slugs are good for point dmg

but i like the kantrael for raw dmg

[atomic zephyr]

true

[midnight patrol]

Two shotss into a horde and the infinite cleave from it makes a few thousand bleed and burn damage pop up a second

Then all the poxwalkers and lighter elites are ded.

[bleak bolt]

havent considered that.. hmm

[south spindle]

Lawbringer is best one

[midnight patrol]

Lemme share the results of one such build

[warm idol]

zzz

fuck it im wasting my plas on kant

[south spindle]

Horizontal spread shell go thwack an wipes whole horde

[warm idol]

yeah but fire

fire good

[south garnet]

Bringing a shotgun with a slug you can manually load to pretend to sort of almost be like a revolver for one shot is just insane to me

[bleak bolt]

very nice - was this on damnation??

[midnight patrol]

It would have been higher but the psyler kept kill stealing the bleed and burn outs lol

[south spindle]

The DoT stack with Kantreal isnt as good as the direct damage from Lawbringer given you can also have Flechette/Manstopper

Horde dies much faster than with Kantreal, plus wider spread, so doesnt require you to dump a bunch more shells, fire shell is prone to miss a lot of targets

[midnight patrol]

Heresy high intensity in this case, but works just as well on Damnation from further testing that day

It pairs well with a full grenadier build

[bleak bolt]

post your talent tree?

i like me a good shottie

[midnight patrol]

The current tree makes it super easy. I need to update it

[midnight patrol]

Alas not at my pooter

[bleak bolt]

also what are your settings for the scoreboard

and plugin

[midnight patrol]

Sorry ;w;

[bleak bolt]

lol all good

[midnight patrol]

I basically bonked out all the stock settings and replaced them with the plug in that adds all the finer details

[bleak bolt]

remember the name?

[midnight patrol]

The stock scoreboard just clutters it up

[bleak bolt]

i had a plugin but it was very cluttered

and way too big to fit on screen

[crude wind]

man, new las pistol with ghost/duck n dive chese is sooooo good

[midnight patrol]

Nope. But it was the only one that was a full on plug-in and not adding things like explosions and barrels lol

[midnight patrol]

Sounds like you are using the same one then

Without pruning both it gets super chonky

You can probably use my screen dhot to help fine tune

Via the mod options

[bleak bolt]

yeah ill have to go in there and spend a little more time

[sharp ember]

I've been running that a ton too, dropping a shotgunner in 1 headshot with a little pistol is wild

[nimble sentinel]

new shovels, m3 is the good one yeh?

[crude wind]

what's your guardsman's name?

[sharp ember]

and the chest shots on maulers, wiped out a whole pack of them

[crude wind]

7 imo

[sharp ember]

i am merely Guardsman

[bleak bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

in the meantime... anybody got some plasteel to donate?

[crude wind]

in game?

[sharp ember]

affirmative

[crude wind]

i went for UA over Flak for my second perk to hit the Dreg gunner 1 shot

everything else dies to a headshot

except maulers

[sharp ember]

normally always rocking what looks like standard issue kit

[crude wind]

but that's what the panic nades are for

[tall torrent]

What’s UA

[crude wind]

unarmoured

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

[crude wind]

sorry my shorthand

cause typing it all the time is annoying

[sharp ember]

i think i kept Flakiac because of ragers and maulers and special picking

at the cost of dreg gunners needing more shots

[midnight patrol]

The one thing I do recall was my Kant shotgun was in the high 70's for damage, stopping power and ammo. Mobility was 60's

[crude wind]

i'm doing something weird and running it out of Executioner stance

[midnight patrol]

Had a tier4 scattershot and flechette

[bleak bolt]

yeah - but RNG is a b****, so is hadron

[crude wind]

it is NOT an easy build to play, but it's a powerful one

[bleak bolt]

dumping plasteel - is a chore

[dapper vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1178170772146114611/1182285733428473906/2023-12-07_19-42-03.mp4?ex=65842464&is=6571af64&hm=af7d5699d8a5faf7a7f746592d138344666fe6f12b165fe24f9d9505dfbec369&

[bleak bolt]

np with diamantine tho

[sharp ember]

I run it on my melee build and get tons of value out of Agile Engagement

[bleak bolt]

plasteel is an issue

[midnight patrol]

With flak armour and weakpoint damage.. the latter was a sacrifice but it works when you're running a crit build

Occasionally you shoot with the normal pellets and you get multiple crit headshots. Amazing.

[bleak bolt]

... dude

[crude wind]

ah nice you're doing that version, v cool

[midnight patrol]

Also to make the maximum memery, I ran Deadshot and Opening Salvo

[bleak bolt]

rolled a sick lasgun the other day tho

big win for me

[midnight patrol]

Just continually pressed the special the moment I saw anything more than half a dozen poxwalkers in a lane

Profit!

[crude wind]

well okay then

[midnight patrol]

Deadshot procs best when you're using the normal pellets. But in a pinch it allows you to basically have near constant crits with the special shells too

[nimble sentinel]

post your god roll shovels I need to do research

[crude wind]

the og

the new kid on the block

[bleak bolt]

deadshot - i dont see that blessing on the shottie

unless im not following you

[slow spade]

Its a talent

[crude wind]

deadshot is a talent

[slow spade]

Left tree

[bleak bolt]

ohhhh

okay nevermind

[slow spade]

+25% crit when aiming

[bleak bolt]

yeah

drains stam

[crude wind]

ngl guys i can't stop running Deadshot

[slow spade]

So funny pellets

[crude wind]

now that we can cheat stamina in 3 different ways

[nimble sentinel]

bless ye

[crude wind]

I'M ADDICTED TO DEADSHOT

[tiny summit]

So how is the XII holding up this patch? It's not having problems I know that but the MGIV and Ia have definitely been feeling better with their fire rate. Ia and XII have like a 40 dmg differential at 80%

[crude wind]

same as it ever was

[nimble sentinel]

imma diggy dig a hole for the crushers I kill to fall into

[bleak bolt]

ive always used it and it hasn't changed, rewards a careful/precise hand

[crude wind]

although the Kantrael family is kind of not the best weapon family atm with this new ridiculous Las Pistol

[bleak bolt]

def struggles when you deal with crusher/bulwark hordes

but that's what nades are for

and a good axe

[cedar pecan]

Just got this from the store, is it worth upgrading?

[crude wind]

yep

[bleak bolt]

id run it

[tiny summit]

I know, just feel like the buff to Ia definitely makes it shine more than the 40 extra dmg

[slow spade]

MK12 has always been and still is a solid pic

[nimble sentinel]

yarp

[gaunt hinge]

throw it away

[slow spade]

Just not optimal

[bleak bolt]

i saw a dude running the short version last night and was merc'in stuff so

[crude wind]

it's pretty optimal. you could run that with Deadshot and not notice the stab at all

[bleak bolt]

yeah prob

[cedar pecan]

How close is it to optimal?

[tiny summit]

Not 4/5 80s definitely trash

[crude wind]

pretty close

[nimble sentinel]

optimal is a 1a but you are very much on the way to a godroll

[crude wind]

swap mobility and stab

and it would be perfect

[bleak bolt]

id say it's up there - but id take a hit on ammo and give it more stab for consistent headshots

[crude wind]

but you can work around the stability at 60

[bleak bolt]

ammo because - with the right talents, you wont hurt for ammo much

if it's >70

[tiny summit]

Loving my MGIV right now and it's not even a really good one

[bleak bolt]

but yeah dump mob for it is fine too

prob mob > ammo

[nimble sentinel]

coulda been me lol

[midnight patrol]

Experimental build that would allow me to have at least always have a shredder in my pocket.. But giving up suppression immunity in a gunner haven in Damnation sounds like it's just not worth it?

[tall torrent]

Depends on ur weapon

[bleak bolt]

how effective is rending tho?

[tall torrent]

That also depends on the weapon

[tall torrent]

Usually you take rending to kill stuff you have a really hard time killing

[bleak bolt]

here's my bottom tree for my lasgunner build

[midnight patrol]

This build, lacking demo stockpile earlier on. Allowed me to reliably get 5 shot headshot kills on Crushers

Using a Vraks mk7.

[bleak bolt]

ah i see

[tall torrent]

I’m running these two builds for the most part

[bleak bolt]

yeah i run the lasgun so there's the diff

[midnight patrol]

I just shot them like I would for any of the other specials. Just railgunned them

[tiny summit]

Kinda want to run my infantry lasguns more but I've been on a helbore craze lately. It's so satisfying and not having to switch to melee like 80% of the match is funny

[bleak bolt]

i just wish FS moves agile engagement to the center

it's so good

for what it is

[midnight patrol]

But man that rest run had gunners and shooters in the dozens

[tall torrent]

I’d prefer it stays on the right so there’s a sense of commitment to a weapon swap build

[midnight patrol]

Idk if I could have gotten off my shots without Determined.

[tiny summit]

Unless the scoreboard has been bugged with the update I'm getting like 30k dmg on monstrosities just bayonet stabbing them to death

[snow pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K08xGNwZvQ

[midnight patrol]

No no it's accurate.

[snow pendant]

the range twins mines doesnt go away after he left

wow

[tall torrent]

What weapon are u running

[snow pendant]

nice game design fatshark

[bleak bolt]

true - but im jealous of say, the psyker when they can basically have leftover talent points and hit all of their major talents

[glad patio]

I thought it was on purpose. Makes sense at least

[midnight patrol]

Vraks mk7 with surgical and deadly accurate

[tall torrent]

We kind of have leftover points to hit our major talents too

[bleak bolt]

kind of - but it's more of a reach comparatively

[snow pendant]

only 1 guy will make it to the other side while rest of the team will die to max corruption

[atomic zephyr]

just go around the mines

[bleak bolt]

maybe im doing something wrong - but i always find myself wishing to have 2 more points for something

[glad patio]

I haven't had nearly that much issues with his mine. Take another path or something, you have options

[nimble sentinel]

skill faith issue

[tall torrent]

Is left keystone really needed? Cuz I feel like vraks7 hits every breakpoint it cares about without the left keystone finesse buffs?

[bleak bolt]

agile eng on a shottie build is

[snow pendant]

i just run slide past them as fast as i can that way i have more space during the fight

[midnight patrol]

If you use the damage numbers above enemies mod you sometime see your bayonet doing like.. 2k crit weak point hits

[snow pendant]

because it will trigger them

[midnight patrol]

When you're jabbing at two pokes a second

[glad patio]

He's annoying. His twin is downright deadly with those anime sword attacks.

[toxic leaf]

do i buy this from melk

[midnight patrol]

It adds up whew

[bleak bolt]

glad im not the only one that thinks Karnak twin b is a weaboo

[snow pendant]

the sword twin is rendered mute with dclaw parry

[tiny summit]

Funny numbers...maybe. idk I have marksman on my helbore with exe stance. Overkill on top of overkill

[glad patio]

I've been on that shovel grindset I forgot that even exists.

[snow pendant]

fair , shovel is good too

[bleak bolt]

dclaw parry doesnt use stam?

[tiny summit]

Shame the twins aren't tracked in boss dmg on the scoreboard

[midnight patrol]

Specifically chosen for 10% rending at 10 stacks

[tall torrent]

Very low

[midnight patrol]

When combined with the other 10% with Rending Strikes

It got kinda silly

[tall torrent]

But what breakpoints does that give u that without the additional 10% rending you wouldn’t get

[bleak bolt]

better delete those msgs then before FS sees it

[snow pendant]

monsters and the twins is just a nuisance

u dont get anything extra for purging them

[bleak bolt]

be better if we got extra mats for killin em

[snow pendant]

unlike in vt2 u get lootdice

[midnight patrol]

Well. It allowed my Unarmoured and Flak mk7 to.. two tap crit shot a maniac rager

In the chest.

And one tap headshot.

[slow spade]

Makes me feel good c:

[bleak bolt]

vt2 post game reward system is sooo much beter

[midnight patrol]

I went from fearing rager squads to getting prepped for them to rush me with my rifle out lol

[snow pendant]

so is the crafting system

sure u rng a bit but at least u dont get burnt out from farming plasteel

[bleak bolt]

im hoping FS implements something similar

[midnight patrol]

Is seems reliable enough yo be replicated in realistic combat conditions so far

[snow pendant]

as of rn i am feeling the burnt from farming plasteel

[bleak bolt]

luckily, im a warhammer fan and love the gameplay loop

so i can overlook the abysmal issues in loot/crafting

[tall torrent]

Tbh that has some merit but you sacrifice so much for that

[bleak bolt]

besides the soundtrack slaps too

[midnight patrol]

The shredder nades are insurance if they come find me when I'm in a melee spam

[novel moth]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tall torrent]

And vraks7 without suppression immunity is not that fun

[bleak bolt]

shredder nades

[tiny summit]

I could overlook this crafting system if fatshark just provided me a lot more money to pull the lever more often

[snow pendant]

is a bug but the shot still goes out

[bleak bolt]

nope - had that issue last night

[midnight patrol]

Yeah thats what I was suspecting too.

[bleak bolt]

last update kinda goofed a few things, i think

[somber sable]

whats the best way I could go with improving this?

[tiny summit]

No. It's happening for others too. The animation/sound not playing out is making me not want to use it atm

[tall torrent]

I think you’re better off running just 10% rending in middle

[midnight patrol]

My actual current build gave up demostockpile for Determined

[tall torrent]

Left keystone is too much of an investment

[novel moth]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[bleak bolt]

just say "pew" real loud for now untilt hey fix it lol

[somber sable]

instead of uncanny strike?

[novel moth]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tall torrent]

Huh?

[bleak bolt]

works - wife thinks im crazy tho

[midnight patrol]

Might not allow me to do funny 5 rounds dead crushers with a rifle though

[somber sable]

sorry, reading comprehension devil struck me and completely misinterpreted that

[midnight patrol]

I'll deffo need to experiment around more.

[wicked niche]

this isn't actually a bug, your veteran has actually developed psykic abilities and can anihilate foes merely by aiming a gun in their direction

[midnight patrol]

Shame I do not have the time an opportunity currently aaa

[bleak bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/beginning-to-believe-gif-20796223

[tiny summit]

So how does that toughness with marksman stack work? Whatever toughness you regen is increase by X stacks? So it can increase the toughness you regen off ET or CK talents by 25% at 10 stacks?

[wanton dawn]

Make sense. We can get the psyker achievement with plasma after all

[tall torrent]

I’ve found relying on my ranged weapon for crushers is a lot less practical when they come in waves on top of bulwarks

[tiny summit]

Was fixed as far as fatshark said

[cedar pecan]

I can change one more thing on this, should I?

[tall torrent]

Unless you’re using plasma

[wanton dawn]

Shame

[bleak bolt]

i personally would do the one that gives extra crit chance until your next crit for opening salvo

[harsh warren]

Are any of the shotguns good?

[cedar pecan]

As in the blessing right?

[bleak bolt]

yes

[tiny summit]

Crit dmg perk kinda shit

[bleak bolt]

it is

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo -> headhunter

[bleak bolt]

explain

just curious - always open to smarter arguments lol

[midnight patrol]

Shredders again might be a way to it, but I guess my current build is just a way for me to make my obsession with shooting my Vraks mk7 more viable lol

Just gotta be that designated marksman of a rifleman

[tiny summit]

Still don't even know what it means by "salvo" and how the cd works before it starts working again

[midnight patrol]

I'll let the guaranteed Vet with some really weird Chinese character name with a plasma gun stealing all the Bulwark kills

[bleak bolt]

im guessin a salvo means a series of continouos shots

i never use those blessings tho

[tall torrent]

Opening salvo forces you to shoot slower to get its benefits and doesn’t hit major breakpoints afaik
Headhunter feeds you crit chance as long as you can hit heads (which you do because mg12 is the ultimate head clicking lasgun)

[bleak bolt]

just seems too diminishing

[topaz lance]

Rashad axe kinda slaps

[tall torrent]

Salvo is every shot fired before the recoil resets to zero

[bleak bolt]

yeah i use the mg12 for that specific purpose

[tiny summit]

My helbore catching the bulwarks when they are unaggroed, staggering them and killing them with headshots before they recover from their animation

[bleak bolt]

also - i see people mention breakpoints.. what does that mean?

[tall torrent]

A specific damage value you want to reach so you kill important enemies in less hits

[midnight patrol]

The point where you start having to use an extra shot to secure a kill

[tall torrent]

Essentially this is what you need to care about, for the most part (assuming headshots):

Horde enemies:
Dreg bruiser: 687.5hp flak
Scab bruiser: 625hp unarmored

Elites:
Dreg gunner: 1400hp unarmored
Scab gunner: 1200hp flak
Dreg shotgunner: 1000hp unarmored
Scab gunner: 1000hp flak
Scab mauler: 3000hp carapace
Dreg rager: 2000hp maniac
Scab rager: 2000hp flak
Crusher: 3600hp carapace
Reaper: 4000hp unyielding
Bulwark: 3600hp unyielding

Specialists:
Dreg tox flamer: 1400hp maniac (weak to melee)
Scab flamer: 1400hp maniac (weak to melee)
Scab bomber: 750hp unarmored (weak to melee)
Scab trapper: 900hp maniac
Mutant: 4000hp maniac (weak to melee)
Pox hound: 1400hp infested (weak to melee)

[midnight patrol]

It's not ideal to have to take a third shot for example that mops up an enemy left on 20HP

[bleak bolt]

prob good to get the healthbar mod then

[tall torrent]

You don’t have to

[bleak bolt]

but i thirst for kills

[tall torrent]

As long as u know what breakpoints u weapon can achieve

[bleak bolt]

my mg12 can one tap, just about anything sans mut, ragers, obv crushers/maulers

it'll two tap a reap

[tall torrent]

Also, every enemy in this list besides mutant, ogryns, mauler and the two ragers, you’re aiming to kill them in 1-2 hits

[midnight patrol]

I hate how much health ragers have in general

[bleak bolt]

bruh facts

[wraith vault]

They have a fix or reasoning behind why the plasma gun isn't showing muzzle flash randomly?

[bleak bolt]

also, the scab rager weakpoint so hard to hit

idk

compared to other spc/el

[tall torrent]

Cuz infantry lasguns are weak against flak

[midnight patrol]

The zoomiest and most dangerous melee enemy in the game. And they have higher mid tier health values.

[bleak bolt]

i just keep that thing on me for those

[midnight patrol]

I think he was saying scoring headshots in general

[bleak bolt]

thing = nades

[midnight patrol]

Ragers are tricky

[tall torrent]

Veteran became low lvl Psyker

[tall torrent]

Oh yea ragers move their heads a lot

[bleak bolt]

as long as i hit weakspots, the mg12 is good - there's a dependency on other teammates for carapce targets tho

[tall torrent]

You kinda just need to learn how to fight them in melee

[bleak bolt]

scab rager especially

[serene bough]

Which shovel do we like the most vet chat

[bleak bolt]

yeah - about that lmao

[distant scarab]

I keep debating if I should run Covering Fire(toughness and damage), Born Leader (team toughness), or Superiority Complex (15% vs Elites)

[olive timber]

Ragers also have the poise of a Havel Knight

[tall torrent]

First two are bad, superiority complex is good but depends on the weapon

[distant scarab]

Plasma

[bleak bolt]

was about tos ay - dependent on gear/build

[tall torrent]

I think good

[bleak bolt]

but cov fire - never used it

[tall torrent]

Run superiority complex

[midnight patrol]

That said.. lasguns can hard counter maniac armor ragers quite well.

[tall torrent]

The other two are just not good

Born leader is just “who’re u trying to feed toughness to”

[bleak bolt]

this

2 shot a mutie

just gotta be precise

[distant scarab]

I've seen it help in cases where soembody gets netted. A quick plasma shot will usually help float them while help gets there

Er... Covering Fire that is

[bleak bolt]

born leader the one sub talent for voice of com

?

[tall torrent]

That’s a really niche case for covering fire

[tall torrent]

Yea

[distant scarab]

Born Leader is: Team regens 15% toughness of any Toughness you regen

[tall torrent]

Born leader
For the emperor
Keep their heads down

[bleak bolt]

i always select it - it's a good crutch to have that carries a lot of rando teams

[tall torrent]

It’s not 15% of your toughness

It’s 15% of your base toughness

Your base toughness is 100

[bleak bolt]

ah im thinking of something else then

[tall torrent]

So the actual toughness u give to ur team is

[bleak bolt]

nah i wouldn't run it

[finite imp]

Fatshark when can I triple wield knives

[tall torrent]

Even lower than you’d think

[terse idol]

We caan raise it in theory

[bleak bolt]

sup complex, then spend the other two elsewhere

[tall torrent]

Besides
The other classes all have infinite toughness strats

[bleak bolt]

but again - sup complex leans heavily on left tree

[tall torrent]

Who’re u trying to feed toughness to

[bleak bolt]

so dependent on what you do with your build

[distant scarab]

That's true

[terse idol]

With glory hunter and every other talent that gives you toughness although I imagine alot of the value you give to your team could be is like 1 toughness or 20

[torn needle]

Specialist to maniac?

[terse idol]

my team 🥹😭

[tall torrent]

If you’re running a quad vet squad I guess?

But good vets know how to manage their toughness

[terse idol]

Bur the theory is like, people will get hit any time so if you can top it off like

[tall torrent]

Plus a quad vet squad with VoC basically never runs out of toughness like ever

[short wigeon]

good players know how to manage their toughness

[bleak bolt]

i think drop crit chance tbh

[somber sable]

Is the left side keystone worth using without the talent that gives stacks passively?

I feel like I could put those 2 points to better use for some survivality

[distant scarab]

Its just... on Monstrous Maelstroms, even "Target Down" has managed to save my ass (and the randos) in clutch moments.

[torn needle]

Definitely maniac though right?

[tranquil burrow]

hey is there a timer for focus fire täg or does the dmg buffs against tägged enemy last as long as the täg itself

[tall torrent]

And if you’re playing with bad players who just drop dead regardless, that meagre amount u give them with born leader is just very very low

[distant scarab]

I enjoy Unyielding personally...

[tall torrent]

Target down is way better because that is usually at least 10% of their total toughness

[strange badge]

This doesn't seem like a bad gift tbh

[bleak bolt]

try that or flak, if you can't one shot scab gunner (or anythin flak, id go flak) - try in training mode

[tall torrent]

Born leader is like

If you do smth that regains 30% of your toughness, then take only 15% of that to feed to ur teammates

It’s so small it’s basically irrelevant

[bleak bolt]

you can charge the plasma for the maniacs if needed, but being able to one tap flak guys consistently is more important

plasma is good - just needs to be efficient due to heat

[celest vine]

4 vets is the most fun Ive ever had

[umbral flint]

when does vet get a double barrel shotgun?

[celest vine]

4 krak on bosses

[fast scaffold]

You can make the argument that it's to help make up for a bad player's playstyle, but you could also extend it to the fact that it allows your teammates to play even ballsier, as a force multiplier of sorts

[celest vine]

6 frags on hordes

Shout

Gunlines

[terse idol]

I am coping abit

[calm prairie]

4 voc vets is so good

[distant scarab]

When they let us have DoomGuy armor

[tall torrent]

A force multiplier by at most 4.5% toughness regained is pretty insignificant

[terse idol]

See until someone can test how much toughness we can actually give for now its uh

Its not very clear

[fast scaffold]

idk about you, but when I run plasma "support" build I have anywhere from 4-8 stacks of kill confirmed on me at any given time

[torn needle]

What else do you even pick over born leader tho

[terse idol]

Am I giving 25 toughness with born leader, glory hunter and the other toughness talent

Or less

And is it even significant

[tall torrent]

Nowhere close

[terse idol]

🥹

[tall torrent]

Born leader works on the basis of your base toughness (100)

The additional toughness u slap on in your build doesn’t even count

[terse idol]

FS pls

[distant scarab]

See that feels really disappointing...

[tall torrent]

Even if you’re running it to “save bad vet players from kissing the floor every 3 minutes”
They’re still gonna kiss the floor every 3 minutes

[bleak bolt]

waste of a talent point

i build vet talents based on "how quickly can i kill stuff to carry the team"

good understanding of movement in-game lets you be more flexible with not running as many toughness based talents

[tall torrent]

Besides vet can pretty easily reach 190~200 toughness rn

Take all 3 toughness boost nodes in the talent tree and in curios slot get one toughness curio

[wintry phoenix]

bro you dont need THAT much toughness 😭

[dim citrus]

This an alright shovel?

[tall torrent]

Usable but base stat roll is not good

[wintry phoenix]

your prob gonna want 60% first target minmum. it matters more then you would think

otherwise it looks decent to me

[dim citrus]

How so?

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty funny how many gunners u can face tank with it

[muted knot]

At some point therea files for them already

[snow pendant]

what kinda blessing and perk for that standard shovel ?

[brazen ether]

The new revolver needs pen

[snow pendant]

new revolver is arse

[south vessel]

What increases bleed damage? I was going to try that fun Lawbringer + bleed shotgun I saw posted here a while back, but bleed seems to be barely tickling them. Joined halfway through, and shotgun dam: 213k, bleed: 23k

[midnight patrol]

Hmm..I wonder if I can make a Agripaaana mk10 headhunter autogun as punchy as a Vraks mk7..

[south vessel]

can we have a double barrel that fires two impact-detonated kraks at once

[midnight patrol]

The mk10 has rhe advantage of cleave. So in a pinch you can just shoot through trash to dome the specials you need to absolutely kill behind them

[toxic leaf]

we were so close, so close

hadron teased me

[midnight patrol]

But so far I've been very unsuccessful replicating the performance to the mk7.

[serene sage]

Tell me why

[brazen ether]

Did they nerf the speed you walk backwards

[serene sage]

Didn't notice it

[toxic leaf]

what would sustained fire even do for this gun

i fcant imagine its useful at all

[tall torrent]

I think uncanny strike + skullcrusher/take a swing is the way on regular shovel

[midnight patrol]

Right now it feels like it's working very hard against Deadshot. And doesn't match the max rate of fire snap shooting I can do with the mk7

[wintry phoenix]

it changes some elite breakpoints

[tall torrent]

It’s mk9

[midnight patrol]

IX is 9? Heck

[tall torrent]

Yea

[midnight patrol]

I still cannot Roman numeral it seems.

[tall torrent]

X is 10

[midnight patrol]

Wheh

Anyway. Yeah the 9.

[wintry phoenix]

you can 2 ragers with a good role

[sick marsh]

shame about the blessings... what blessings might work on this since the stats are nice?

[tall torrent]

Mk9 HH is an awkward middle child

[wintry phoenix]

1 shot if your build it right

[hazy comet]

yo is the skull breaker good for the new shovel

[serene sage]

IX is I before X (or 1 before 10), aka 9
Sorry I'm mansplaining

[midnight patrol]

I do appreciate how fast the shots in said burst are

In the first three to four trigger pulls its a laser beam

But after that.. uhh

[toxic leaf]

boys for this gun, does sustained fire do anything? was i premature in ripping off terrifying barrage?

[midnight patrol]

It gets really bouncy

Makes shooting bosses a bit of a chore

[dim citrus]

How's the new chainaxe?

and is the new Chainsword worth it?

[daring peak]

question: would any of the shovels work well as a powersword replacement? my builds right now are a bolter build, a plasgun build, a kant 12 lasrifle build and a revovler w/ devil's claw build. im thinking the shovel might be good on the kant 12 build as an anti-carapace weapon

[serene sage]

I heard the new shovel kills Carapace pretty well

[toxic leaf]

new shovels are great armour and maniac killers, while having respectable horde clear

[daring peak]

might be good on the kant build then

[toxic leaf]

i think they beat any non pc4 power sword

and are competitive with pc4 mk6

[nimble sentinel]

death to the poop sword

[daring peak]

bolter, plas, revolver w/ right keystone and hand cannon, all kill carapce pretty well, but kant doesn't

which of the two is better?

[toxic leaf]

revolver = plasma >>>>>>>> bolter

[daring peak]

i've been using the bolter and it's way too much fun

[toxic leaf]

i like plasma better because it needs less talents and less reliant on blessings

but revolver snipes like none other

[daring peak]

especially when you magdump it into a monstrosity

[serene sage]

They are slightly better but the gap is not that high

[toxic leaf]

i think all 3 usuable in t5 auric but bolter is nowhere near as good as the first two

you can build around its downsides for sure

[maiden frost]

how could i get the new weapon customization mod now?old mod make my game crash

[nimble sentinel]

Here's a new question: Y'all got a wireless headset to recommend??

[toxic leaf]

its not unusable garbage like something people saying

[civic knot]

Good blessings? are there better combinations?

[daring peak]

imo all bolter needs to be viable is a bit more damage and a much faster draw speed

[toxic leaf]

100% agreed

[serene sage]

Just a little draw speed is good, no need for damage buffs

[toxic leaf]

not ohkoing gunners/specialist on a body feels bad for bolter, and not being able to quick swap kill them in a horde situation is the real negative imo

[serene sage]

A little draw speed, 2-3 more bullets per mag

[pine snow]

Imao perfect time for me to open disc, i think u can find the mod link in #📌communities for the darktide modding discord, if u cant find it ill semd u a link, the mod file is in there

[serene sage]

And we have a solidly S- tier weapon

[toxic leaf]

plasma and revolver can quick swap and nuke specialists that actually end your runs, while bolter is kinda hamstrung

columnus is also good at that, but harder to snipe snipers

[daring peak]

ohko on bodyshot is excessive, plasgun needs a charged shot to do that which is roughly equal to 3 shots from a bolter in terms of ammo consumption. ohko on headshot would be nice though, but i think you can build for that

[pine snow]

It should be in the pins for extended wep customization mod @maiden frost

[toxic leaf]

for sure, its more of an ammo problem than damage

because plasma has 40+ shots in its mag to 2 shot stuff on bodies compared to 15 on bolter

[daring peak]

frankly there's no excuse for bolter taking a year and a half to draw when the plasgun comes out so fast

[serene sage]

Bolter damage is plenty enough

Buffing damage to the Bolter is a silly idea imo

[daring peak]

i'd rather buff the mag size

[serene sage]

Mag and draw speed slightly

But alas FS wouldn't do it 😔

[maiden frost]

thanks bro

[daring peak]

maybe if we ask enough they'll give us a way to draw it faster

[toxic leaf]

yea mag size would be much better tha ndamage because damage would quickly make it op

[hollow cloak]

gave shredder autopistol a shot

[toxic leaf]

but they can leave it as is and give it some draw speed and i think it would vault immediately to great

[daring peak]

then again this is the same company that came up with vet's left keystone 🙄

[hollow cloak]

seems... kinda bad

good for killing maniacs ig

[toxic leaf]

i love the bolter so much

but its so frustrating to use

[hollow cloak]

not worth using it now imo

[serene sage]

I wish it's a bit better

Then again I probably have 300 hours on it

So I play worse with anything else

[hollow cloak]

they bbricked it

[serene sage]

The Bolter?

It's fine, just need like a tiny weeny little nudge

[hollow cloak]

shredder autopistol can't snipe, can't horde clear, bad low ammo clip size, uhhhhh horribad recoil

[toxic leaf]

ok so i just went into psycho torium and this fucking perk gives bonuses on the 3rd and 4th shots only of a 55+ round mag?

why is this allowed to roll

[daring peak]

"draw faster godamnit"
the removal of instant reload+draw on ult use also hurt bolter quite a bit

[serene sage]

It's a salvo

[daring peak]

lern 2 burst

i guess

[serene sage]

You need to shoot in burst

Let the sight resets

[toxic leaf]

i understand that

but like

come on

[serene sage]

Yeah it's not great

[daring peak]

it would be nice if they readded that like they did the ogryn highlight or better yet made it a universal ult boosting talent like the damage boost

[serene sage]

I'll admit

[toxic leaf]

i probably should have yeeted that blessing over barrage

oh well

should i yeet that or the reload speed as my last change?

[hollow cloak]

you want lots of reload speed on bolter

[toxic leaf]

oh im talking about the above columnus

[daring peak]

we got em to improve vet's tree quite a bit in it's structure, it feels pretty good now, hopefully we can get a draw speed improvement on the bolter or somewhere in the tree

[serene sage]

Either that or a decent amount of stagger

[atomic zephyr]

quickdraw talent in right tree
maybe from desperado?

[daring peak]

the reload on elite kill + a decent reload stat seems to be enough

[hollow cloak]

yeah

[daring peak]

that would make it really annoying ot build bolter since it really wants some of the talents to the left and middle

[atomic zephyr]

fair

[nimble sentinel]

aww yeh

[hollow cloak]

way back with insta reload and lots of reload speed traits it was gg

my old go to...

[serene sage]

that's mine

where did you find it

give it back

[hollow cloak]

yo foxhope let's play 😁

[serene sage]

im at work brother

not home for another 6 hours

😔

[hollow cloak]

i almost beat maelstrom yesterday solo, it could just be us

damn aight

[serene sage]

nice

[hollow cloak]

ye

that annoying new boss got me though

[daring peak]

foxhope what build are ya running on bolter now?

[serene sage]

something like this

im not convinced if exhil is worth it on the bolter but if you have better aim than i do it's good

[daring peak]

hmm

[serene sage]

you can take deadshot if you are into that kind of stuff too

[daring peak]

maybe could drop it for the improved boxes perk

[serene sage]

there's one or two points you can move around

yeah, the new tree is good

[topaz lance]

Just joined a mission with someone who had tag bound to left mouse

noped out after 30 sec