veteran-class

[untold mulch]

ADS is cringe

ADS is because you have doubts of the Emperor will guiding your hand

[dusk sparrow]

Revolver hipfire is insanely accurate for whatever reason

[inner drift]

and way better crit, headshot, immunity to suppression, and dumdum for when you want to fking obliterate stuff up close

[nimble sentinel]

unless you're using a hellbore, in which case only the Emperor can aim that thing

[untold mulch]

Not even for only Brauto, I mean for pretty much anything

[dusk sparrow]

Play zealot

[untold mulch]

I would use a blessing slot only to hipfire better

[dusk sparrow]

They get the hip fire talent

[inner drift]

and of course it pulls out instantly so it synergizes better with right keystone

[untold mulch]

They what

[dusk sparrow]

After melee kill they get near perfect hipfire

Idr if it's one shot or x seconds

[untold mulch]

bruh

[gusty sonnet]

Less range though, no?

[nimble sentinel]

kantrael pullout time isn't that bad, and revolver I think is even faster or the same

[karmic musk]

Deadshot with no way to replenish stam 💀

[dusk sparrow]

Sorry on dodge

Run and gun also silently lowers your spread

[inner drift]

laspistol has same speed as revolver yeah

[mellow adder]

my curios that mostly lol

[dusk sparrow]

On the guns that can have it

[inner drift]

revolver will obliterate single targets better, laspistol will almost always pull out with enough ammo to kill an entire group of gunners without them lining up for you

and one tapping scab gunners to head with that fire rate is very spicy

[untold mulch]

Ohhhhh

[untold mulch]

The blessing?

[dusk sparrow]

Ya

[inner drift]

I am a huge laspistol stan fwiw

[karmic musk]

Change out both Blessings or 1 Perk 1 Blessing?

[dusk sparrow]

Idk why the game doesn't mention it

But it's in the code lol

[nimble sentinel]

this is sadly a brick

[untold mulch]

bruh

[karmic musk]

Yes but its the only one I have on Zealot

[acoustic wyvern]

Take a point for confirmed kill and a left keystone is ehat i'd do

[dusk sparrow]

Your hipfire dreams are here

[acoustic wyvern]

Left Keystones are really good

[untold mulch]

Checking rn, but I am mostly sure Hit And Run is limited to weapons I don't quite like

and Zealot to shoot, is kinda

[dusk sparrow]

Ya not ideal

But that talent is exactly what you want

It made my revolver reticule shrink into a cross

[nimble sentinel]

in that case perk and blessing, I'd go reload>specialists and no respite>uhm...idunno I don't play a lot of zealot

[dusk sparrow]

I had no idea what was causing it because that talent is a travel tax lmao

[nimble sentinel]

infernus?

[astral blade]

Emperor oh bloody mighty

Just watched some gameplay on twitch from people playing darktide

It was sooooo painful to watch

[dusk sparrow]

People stream this game?

[astral blade]

Yeah

[mellow adder]

worth doing them even if I constantly move?

[astral blade]

I watched one guy playing an ogryn mans fucking melee a bloody burster

[untold mulch]

Just tried on the psykanium

I want this on the Vet wtf

[astral blade]

3 different times

[untold mulch]

Ogryn brain

[dusk sparrow]

Lmao i told you

[gusty sonnet]

Isnt there a penance for that?

[dusk sparrow]

The shrink is insane

[astral blade]

Told him to push the burster away got abused by the chat those

[acoustic wyvern]

Imo yes

[astral blade]

[acoustic wyvern]

Pop heads and move. Theres a 3 second gap before it starts dropping

[untold mulch]

I feel like this should be a melee vet talent

wtf

[karmic musk]

Now that I think about it Laspistol would suit Zealot better, since its the more mobile version of MG IV

[dusk sparrow]

It would probably be too good on vet

Since they get all the ranged bonuses

[untold mulch]

I am just tired of shitty hipfire in most guns

Recons had good but well

Recon

[dusk sparrow]

Ya

Idk what else besides revolver even has good hipfire

[untold mulch]

Laspistol

But they nerfed its RateOfFire

so it feels terrible to me

[dusk sparrow]

F

[untold mulch]

I just take L after L each patch

weapon wise

[inner drift]

yeah the ROF nerf hurt a bit

[mellow adder]

I might take them then lol, Considering switching deadshot and something else for them

[inner drift]

still very high sustained DPS and auto fire mod is goated

[untold mulch]

to me it went from somewhat nice substitute of recon to, Yeah, mentally I do not want to use it anymore

[marsh condor]

The new Laspistol feels nice.

Just saying

[untold mulch]

Too slow ROF for my taste

Anyways is nitpicks of mine

[marsh condor]

Yeah

[sleek cairn]

back after my plasma run.

[marsh condor]

But I wonder if they'll buff the cyan Kantrael Lasgun.

[sleek cairn]

the breakpoints on plasma bother me

i mean yeah i could fire again but im lazy

[untold mulch]

Is just the feedback of guns to me needs to be somewhat specific for me to like

[acoustic wyvern]

I love deadshot but i need stamina without sliding for it most of the time

What weps are you usin?

[sleek cairn]

Revolver, for life

[junior needle]

I think it went from 5 rps to 4.44, so not the biggest change strictly speaking. But any reduction is bound to feel "off".

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I don't notice a loss of DPS or anything

But it feels off

And to me weapon feel is everything

[median merlin]

my chainsword feels stronger

[untold mulch]

Don't feel good? I can one shot Nurgle, idc I hate it

[median merlin]

i like

[junior needle]

I get it, I played league for years and small changes to base attack speed had surprisingly big effects

[median merlin]

and i don't feel as squishy as before

[untold mulch]

Anyways, tell me guys a weapon you guys want to get nerfed

I will main it for the next patch

[inner drift]

the thing with weapon specialist is that your fire rate goes all over the place anyway

[untold mulch]

I have 2 to 2

[pale lotus]

Revolver

[untold mulch]

On it

[pale lotus]

Go get em champ

[sleek cairn]

plasma.

[inner drift]

so I didn't really have an issue with laspistol changing fire rate

and chastise does the same on zealot

[sleek cairn]

nerf plasma, so ppl need to aim again

[untold mulch]

Revolver or Plasma, sort yourselves out

[inner drift]

okay but give it an actual reticule to compensate please

[untold mulch]

I need to main it to have effect

[sleek cairn]

no dont nerf revolver pls

[pale lotus]

Plasma is cool

That is my argument

[inner drift]

I'm very happy to need plasma headshots if it was comfier to aim with it

[sleek cairn]

Only nerf plasma

[acoustic wyvern]

Nerf iags

Lesser mag size

No torches

[untold mulch]

Ngl, I am laughing and all

but I am in that dude holding a mug with a pained face state

[sleek cairn]

when a teammate marks a sniper and its behind a wall, i remember im plasma n shoot it anyway. That's stupid lol

why am i able to shoot through almost anything

nerf plasma

every other gun i have to actually get line of sight

[mellow adder]

Old Revolver and Agripinia Shotgun

[pale lotus]

My brother in the Emperor revolver bullets magnetically lock onto heads

[untold mulch]

I think I started a war

[magic ermine]

Any advice to work on this some more?

[sleek cairn]

yeah true but atleast i can't shoot through walls! I have to work hard through to get line of sight on that stupid bomber

running away usually

but plasma, there's no escape. U think ur safe around the corner but i got u

[junior needle]

Those perks are definitely not good

deci is good

Take a swing has mixed reviews

But that first target is a big oof

[pale lotus]

Whatever nerf revolver

[sleek cairn]

NO u mustn't

[junior needle]

It's very important for killing things on your first swing

[pale lotus]

Pew pew pistol lame

[magic ermine]

This shovel any better?

[sleek cairn]

Hey your fking plasma can make bulwarks cry

[pale lotus]

I can go and buy one for like $20 rn

Plasma gun cool

[sleek cairn]

plasma gun lame!

[mellow adder]

@acoustic wyvern So I switched out Deadshot for the Keystone and it actually feels a bit better lol, should I try and switch something out to get a keystone modifier or am I fine with the base?

[umbral scaffold]

Is here anyone who finished "Make every Bullet count"?

[pale lotus]

Yes, by cheating

[whole moon]

Yeah, but, not under this patch

[junior needle]

Kinda, but not ideal. Carapace seems like an odd choice for perk, especially without uncanny. You're probably going to have trouble killing bruisers even with deci stacks with that first target damage/lack of chaffe killing perks.

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[junior needle]

First target is not a dump stat

[safe drum]

easy penance, use shotgun and go to town

[trim hemlock]

I’m sure there’s some people. Why?

[magic ermine]

Yeah, I have noticed I kinda need to spam charge to kill chaff. Gun helps a bit tho

[umbral scaffold]

I tried countles time and my souls is tearing apart

[junior needle]

Oh that's the new shovel, don't have any experience with that one. Can only give you more general build advice but people seem to not like the 7 from what I read. Don't use your gun for melee chaffe though, if you can avoid it.

[pale lotus]

When the game released i got to one bullet with a shotgun at the end of a mission, alt+f4'd, rejoined, then shot a poxwalker

[median merlin]

opinions on the new chainsword? lots of vertical strikes. single target focused. (of course hadron bricked my 375. :D)

[pale lotus]

Worked

[umbral scaffold]

That is suddenly fixed already

[half wigeon]

don't like it

[whole moon]

I used a shotgun (Agripinaa), get one with a low ammo count. Make sure you hit w at least one pellet and once done swap to melee and never swap back in case a passive ammo regen kicks in.
Took me two or three missions cos.. yknow..Darktide. but it did work.
Other have used low ammo revolvers and unloading into bulwark shields

[half wigeon]

chainsword are not that good tbh

[pale lotus]

Yeah i did the same thing with no melee damage, but by accident

Game crashed at mission end

[whole moon]

Maybe yours arent

[half wigeon]

nah lmaoo PS and shovels >>

[umbral scaffold]

Any idea how many times am i allowed to miss at most?

[pale lotus]

Havent tried new chword, but i love new chaxe

[midnight mortar]

Not a fan.

[safe drum]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[pale lotus]

The one i rolled oneshots anything short of bosses

[midnight mortar]

Too slow and its rev has some lag to it.

[half wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-the-grinch-smile-smirk-make-face-gif-16296758

[whole moon]

Depends on ammo count of weapon, sub 100 rounds and you can fail by missing only a couple of shots. Obv you can offset by picking a small ammo pack up and trying even harder not to miss

[midnight mortar]

And it can't reliably horde control the way it is.

Can't even one shot bruisers unless I dig into the melee side of the talent tree.

[whole moon]

The new Chsword has a moveset that feels like a duelling sword but I'm disappointed at it's single target damage. May be a me issue tho

[midnight mortar]

And I'm looking for a melee weapon that can hold its own without too much talent investment.

[junior needle]

90% accurate needed last I checked

[umbral scaffold]

Pain continues then, even with shotgun my aim kinda sucks, even more with agressive psyker or melee ogryn around, well hopefuly i will be lucky enough soon

[pale lotus]

So just a lot of vertical slashes, gotcha

[whole moon]

Best of luck! Hope the next one is the magic one!

[modest crystal]

if only this gun was good feels bad

[pale lotus]

Anyway only thing i dont like about new chaxe is the stab attack

Not because it's bad

[safe drum]

remove the ammo regenating perk from Vet for Every Shot Counts, now sure if regenerated ammo counts or not, idk i did that one in patch #10

[pale lotus]

But because it looks fucking weird on an axe

[hexed briar]

try to get a team where no one has scavenger aura, put all your ammo into a monstrosity or other easy targets and only use melee for most of the mission, that's how i did it

[umbral scaffold]

Is here enough...you know...kind people to help carry a noob over challenges like this?

[karmic musk]

Its easy with Plasma

[safe drum]

Sure, go to LFG and specify your goal

[umbral scaffold]

Last time i played plasma i got kicked out of match coz i sucked 🥹

[karmic musk]

wut

[mellow adder]

Should I go with the Marksman ability modifier or Long Range assassin, giving me more stacks?

[karmic musk]

I always go for stacks on standing still

Unless you are a CS GO headshot specialist

[burnt onyx]

Also better for bosses without shooting adds.

[karmic musk]

Ngl that 15 stack should be built-in considering how idiotic this node is

[burnt onyx]

I think it's strong.

With certain weapons...

[karmic musk]

I just treat is as a passive thing

Not something I change my playstyle for in games

Oh headshot some enemies, now i get more dmg

Oh standing still while aiming at far enemies, now i get more dmg

[burnt onyx]

1 headshot kill = 3 seconds of moving without losing stacks

and u lose 1 stack at a time

[umbral scaffold]

Well not long time player + lower fps + mission spawn unlucky as fuck + who let the dogs out + being a noob = dying atleast 6 times on Heresy

[karmic musk]

With how I move, I lose stacks all the time

I'm only now getting better at moving once I hear that headshot pop sound

[burnt onyx]

it's best with weapons with huge weakpoint/crit bonuses, bad with other weapons

[safe drum]

Go straight to T5. T4 is the turbo casual tier

[karmic musk]

Well ideally you want to pick low-intensity map

[karmic musk]

I use it with Laspistols and Lasguns

I don't use Headhunters but it works with that too

[burnt onyx]

iag

[magic ermine]

Righto. Thanks

[junior needle]

Just hold onto good recon rolls for down the line when (if) they get buffed. Probably not for at least the next two months though because of swedish winter vacation.

[karmic musk]

Quit game by then

[junior needle]

I'll probably be taking a break, nothing exciting was added for me and I'm getting burnout.

[untold mulch]

I predict Recon being good in 7 months

[karmic musk]

POE League tmr gonna take up my time

[untold mulch]

For another 20ish days

Nerfed again because it was accidental

[untold mulch]

I am jumping to Rogue Trader

[karmic musk]

Btw, is Deadly Accurate the only mandatory blessing on Lasgun?

[untold mulch]

THis patch to me was sad

[junior needle]

I'll be looking into that myself, hopefully minion builds are better off now

[karmic musk]

Drop zombie build

[warm idol]

headhunter too

for consistency

[mellow bridge]

Don't like it. The best thing about the chain sword is it's versatility.

Why would I need a subpar single target weapon

[karmic musk]

For perks, standard Flak/Maniac?

[sharp ember]

i would choose headhunter over DA if i was forced to have only one

[warm idol]

yea

[junior needle]

Drop zombies are just a goofy direct damage skill, I need my legion of the dead or I can't get it up

(it being my will to play the game)

[karmic musk]

That new Spectre looks insane so you might get it up too much

[junior needle]

Yeah, DA is best used in conjunction with headhunter. If you aren't max critfishing the actual value of DA shrinks massively.

[junior needle]

I'll have to see, I have very low expectations for specter build functionality and it's going to have to compete with poison srs

[karmic musk]

Too bad Hadron bricked all my lasguns on Zealot

[keen sedge]

do you guys prefer the new weapons over the old ones or no?

[karmic musk]

I like that we have more anti-armor melee now

[junior needle]

Also I heard something about the specters costing big money on a ghazzy video

[karmic musk]

Was always a drain on flexibility if you're building for pubs

[junior needle]

And not being desecratable. So that's a big YIKES on an already fairly expensive build.

[karmic musk]

You can purchase corpses from one of the new vendors, in return you get boss-level spectres haha

[south spindle]

The Keystone is really good actually, but not if your aim is spotty

[karmic musk]

Bruh, I use that keystone while hipfiring my laspistol/mg4

[south spindle]

If you cant consistently nail them headshot kills, its not good, if you can, its super high output

[karmic musk]

aims all over the place

[south spindle]

So yeah, you're not really benifiting

[nimble sentinel]

I'm thinking of rolling a new shovel once I get a revolver though I'm a wee bit turned off by people saying it's not as effective on hordes

[karmic musk]

Mk7 prob same potential on hordes

Mk3 needs help on hordes

[tawdry hull]

whats a drop zombie?

[junior needle]

New skill for path of exile, we are technically being off topic at the moment

[tawdry hull]

i see lol

[south spindle]

MKIII is fine vs horde, not as good as original, but its fine enough, you're trading a bit of clear speed for the ability to oneshot basically anything that might be mixed in with the horde

[karmic musk]

New special incoming

[junior needle]

They're like drop bears

But zombies

[karmic musk]

Or poxwalkers dropping on you

[sharp ember]

poxbursters jumping on you from the top rope

[tawdry hull]

yeah

[tawdry hull]

without sound que

does fire got buffed?

[south spindle]

Ye, fire is gnarly dangerous now

[karmic musk]

I find a good test of horde potential is that map where you just camp the sideledge while trash climbs up on both sides after you power up and activate the event

[tawdry hull]

i can bareáy escape from bombs

[karmic musk]

If the horde can get up and surround you, its a bad horde weapon

[south spindle]

Emperor help you if you get netted into bomber fire

[thick hare]

can i has a tree for ps6 and plasma setup? havent played vet since recent changes

[sharp ember]

fire is different, safer to graze past, incredibly deadly to be stuck in

[karmic musk]

Thats my grenadier turret build

[tawdry hull]

graze?

wdym

[sharp ember]

do NOT revive someone in fire

[south spindle]

Yeah thats a big no-no this patch

[sharp ember]

you can barely touch it and not lose all your toughness anymore

[untold mulch]

I got revived in fire, and in T4 I lost half of health before my spamming of dodge worked

[nimble sentinel]

So long as I'm bonking them too hard to hit me, I'm happy. Thanks!

[south spindle]

Heavy, Light is the horde clear part of the moveset, it copes well enough. can loop those moves an most stuff is gonna get rekt

[nimble sentinel]

ballin

[karmic musk]

When I use Mk3 to camp the ledge, I got pushed back all the way to the door

[sharp ember]

they got rid of scab captain energy burst removing your toughness too

thank god

[karmic musk]

They did?

[nimble sentinel]

oof, is the mk 7 still carapace-capable?

[south spindle]

Yeah, but you just said you use Marksman's to hipfire a Laspistol

[karmic musk]

Pretty sure mine depleted

[sharp ember]

yeah its like 10 toughness now

[karmic musk]

I mean it works

[south spindle]

Its a waste of points

[karmic musk]

Accurate enough to headshot

[south spindle]

Not consistently

[sharp ember]

unless i'm built different when it hit me and didn't get depleted

[south spindle]

DMR perk, not run + gun perk

[thick hare]

so can i has the tree?

[karmic musk]

WSpec is useless for Laspistol

And I wasn't a melee build

[south spindle]

Ping is better than Marksman's for that

[karmic musk]

Nah

[south spindle]

Yeah... unless you're using new version an actually ADSing

[karmic musk]

MF works on all mobs that my hipfire is headshotting regardless

[untold mulch]

Laspistol can get you some decent headshots

With hipfire

[south spindle]

Can, but not consistently

[junior needle]

Rewatched the video, it was just conjecture that those could be several divines for the good specters and not confirmed. Hopefully it'll be more reasonable.

[karmic musk]

You literally just walk forward, put your cursor at chest height and blast away

[south spindle]

Not enough to warrant having the dedicated headshot Keystone

[karmic musk]

Won't be too expensive if its vendor purchaseable

[sharp ember]

heavy heavy laspistol has been great for me with deadshot because you can still accurately hipfire when out of stamina

[patent valley]

honestly, laspistols just dont warrant headshot keystones, greatest strength of laspistol is the mobility no?

[tawdry hull]

is the new revorver good for anything?

[karmic musk]

No, greatest strength is the weak spot damage

[patent valley]

i thought crits

[south spindle]

Its super fun, an can delete bosses, but its not very competative vs old one for general play

[karmic musk]

Weak spot and crits

So Finesse

Which MF buffs

[patent valley]

new revolver vs old revolver is basically having fun vs doing better

[patent valley]

but u basically shut down its mobility factor by doing so

[south spindle]

Yeah.. if the new one had some cleave, it'd be much more equal, but alas... it does not

[karmic musk]

Not really, I hipfire headshot with it

Then you keep stacks since its 3 second

[junior needle]

You'd be surprised, the crafting bench can have costs going into divines. I imagine it'll be randomized and if they're tradeable, the good ones will be very rare and very expensive.

[karmic musk]

For far targets, you can always stand still and aim, its as accurate as any lasgun

[tawdry hull]

just as i tought its more like close range right?

[sharp ember]

it's actually just as accurate when braced to fan

[south spindle]

Yeah, but again, no cleave, so that shotgunner squad running round the corner isnt going to get insta-wiped like old one will do

[karmic musk]

RNG as usual

But you should be used to it since you're playing Darktide

[patent valley]

it should've had at least 1 cleave regardless, so that i can penetrate my ogryn's asscheeks

[keen sedge]

which is better? the old chainsword or the new one?

[untold mulch]

I prefer the old one

[sharp ember]

probably old one but this is easily swayed by moveset preference

[karmic musk]

I like old but new is workeable too

just need a cleave blessing

[median merlin]

i prefer the horizontal cleave of the old one

[sharp ember]

new one wants Wrath for light spam horde clear

it might struggle to activate Savage Sweep with lights

[patent valley]

how?

[karmic musk]

2 Bruiser hit limit

[patent valley]

new one had more sweep in its moveset

[median merlin]

but the primary difference i see is moveset between the chainswords

[patent valley]

wow that's ass

[tawdry hull]

i really like the new knife altho Istill did not understand it fully

[karmic musk]

apparently you push attack with new knife

[patent valley]

cuz after the push its a straight stab

easy to headshot

[sharp ember]

you push attack with old knife too, i'm guessing this one hits harder?

[median merlin]

yeah i see that working very well

[patent valley]

altho just doing full heavies is better if u can hit their head with them

if u struggle, then its push atk for easy weakspot

[patent valley]

yea its a stab

[tawdry hull]

it have more vertical moveset

horizont al

[median merlin]

i am just glad veteran finally got the change it needed after 2 straight nerfs

regular damnation feels pretty comfy finally

[patent valley]

its triple horizontal and 1 vertical for light, double sweep and one strikedown for heavy

could be slightly off about the light atks, but heavy is for sure double sweep into 1 strikedown

[south spindle]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh freshies in I-II-V-E-G

Fucks sake man 😂

[karmic musk]

Still needs more changes

[south spindle]

They are not ready

[karmic musk]

but they coming in 5 years 💀

[median merlin]

which would you say? it got so bad i switched to ogryn to wait it out

[karmic musk]

The middle portion of the tree is a mess

[median merlin]

yeeeeeah i went left side.

[acoustic wyvern]

Wdym by middle is a mess

[median merlin]

dabbled into middle bottom for the elite and ogryn damage

[karmic musk]

1 Aura that overpowers the other two
1 Ult that overpowers the other two

And then we have a clusterfk at the bottom

All ults should have the same number of additional modifiers for a start

[untold mulch]

Vet reworks are so funny

Fix beginning

[karmic musk]

And build-in Survivalist unupgraded into all the auras

[untold mulch]

Now we fix the end

[median merlin]

it's almost as if they don't know what to do with it

[untold mulch]

We bother with the middle later

[dusk idol]

finally

[south spindle]

Personally i think Vet tree is best its ever been

[patent swift]

Is this salvagable?

[south spindle]

One of the more fun ones in the game

[acoustic wyvern]

The amount of vet reworks and stillnit isnt enough

[gritty dock]

Does anyone know or can I read somewhere what the difference is between standard missions and golden missions?

[south spindle]

Never will be for some people

[untold mulch]

Its very good, the middle is a mess, but with all the fix, is a workable mess somewhat

[south spindle]

Until they have Unwavering back anyway

[median merlin]

they finally fixed the node count issue

at least

[karmic musk]

False argument, I didn't even main Vet pre-patch 13 lmao

[median merlin]

i can get down to the bottom of a tree without issue

[acoustic wyvern]

You can have two trees with 1 keystone

[karmic musk]

Guys its okay to like the current tree while admitting its still flawed

No need to put your marbles all in on one side

[south spindle]

The only major problem with Vet is Survivalist, it needs to go

[trim hemlock]

And funny thing is

[slow crypt]

Vet stands on a tightrope, a couple of misthought talents and they'll make him OP so they're scared to do it 😅 so he's just a bit average -

[trim hemlock]

They can technically have Unwavering

[south spindle]

Yep

[patent valley]

lets be real, im fairly sure its not the left aura being overpowered, its just that they throw in way too much elites and specialists in higher difficulties

[untold mulch]

Nah, that requires nuance

[trim hemlock]

New Unwavering is Coherency TDR + Iron Will + coherency aura AoE increase

[acoustic wyvern]

Its only flawed when it doesnt reach your end goal build

[median merlin]

this also has been a real problem lately

[trim hemlock]

Bonus points for taking 10% TDR from left bottom branch

[median merlin]

director's drank a bit too much vodka

[sharp ember]

needs both blessings rerolled, then it'll be decent

[karmic musk]

I mean that latter part ain't gonna change, ppl like having more enemies to fight

[acoustic wyvern]

Now the tree is more balanced then flawed imo

[patent valley]

the former part is only going to get underpowered, or remain overpowered

[trim hemlock]

I feel like there’s interesting choices to make right now

[untold mulch]

Only problem now is the Auras and Exec Stance imo

[median merlin]

despite the flaws, i enjoy where the veteran is at

[untold mulch]

everythign else is fine imo

[patent valley]

if they replace one of the aura with old demolition team however...

[karmic musk]

Ogryn has the real Exe Stance

[acoustic wyvern]

You can have exe stance sith close range dmg buff more its dmg and headshots hehe

[untold mulch]

They stole it

[acoustic wyvern]

Wait

[median merlin]

i can mostly do what i used to pre patch 13 from beta, but without the OP toughness

[acoustic wyvern]

How is exe stance a problem atm?

[nimble sentinel]

it's mid af

[acoustic wyvern]

I thought it was just nice

[patent valley]

it isnt a problem, its just that voc has more utility

[karmic musk]

Mid af, point tax, goes away when you switch to melee

[sharp ember]

not as strong as OG volleyfire ig

[untold mulch]

On high diff is gonna get you killed unless you have someone covering you in a blanket

[nimble sentinel]

shout works for all builds, instant toughness up, cheap on points, low cooldown

[sharp ember]

and yeah no toughness recovery like the other ults

[karmic musk]

Why is Relentless an optional modifier for Exe Stance?

[nimble sentinel]

I WILL NOT TRADE IT OUT OF MY SHOOTING BUILDS VARLETS

[karmic musk]

Cuz kark you thats why

[patent valley]

that is true

that's probs the only issue imo

[median merlin]

i second that, it allows me to see specials in dark areas

[acoustic wyvern]

Cause i always run exe stance and its been reaaal useful for me

[patent valley]

but i dont have that big of a problem

[untold mulch]

VoC is an instant space clearer and toughness refiller

Infiltrate lets you toughness refill and reposition as you like

Exec Stance you get some nice extra damage, as long as you keep your gun out

[nimble sentinel]

oh you misread, I'm not trading out VoC. I can shoot a heretic blindfolded

[dusk idol]

does vet have any helmets that changes his voice?

[acoustic wyvern]

Also auric damns have enough specials and shooters to keep it up for 30 sec

[untold mulch]

If yourt team can cover you

Exec Stance works

[patent valley]

dont recall, doubt it

[untold mulch]

If your PUG is drooling idiots

Exec Stance is not worht

IMO

[patent valley]

another main issue

[karmic musk]

I would take you keeping the stance while switching to melee, you can make Relentless and Exe Stance buffs only count for range

[dusk idol]

sad

i wanna sound garbled

[patent valley]

teammates

[median merlin]

gargling marbles

[patent valley]

well u dont lose it, u just dont see highlights

if u switch back before duration ends, u still have it

[nimble sentinel]

y'all think I took lasguns for their high damage and usability? NOPE, I took em so I never have to compete with loot goblins for dakka

[median merlin]

THIS.

[untold mulch]

[acoustic wyvern]

For me , i'd pick exe stance anyday. I like voc but i also like to see my targets clearer

[untold mulch]

I hate depending on ammo drops

I sure love the Zealot who shot twice picking the big ammo bag

[patent valley]

well teammates as in teammates cant cover u while u exec stance most of the time

[median merlin]

my helbore mk3 never runs out of ammo.

[patent valley]

lotta people lack competency

[karmic musk]

I do that for shooting builds, because I play on High graphics and enemies actually camo

But VoC is a better build overall

[untold mulch]

I pay 2ish tax poiints for my cozy infiltrate

[karmic musk]

I do not benefit from Exe Stance at all really with my weapon except for the highlight

[patent valley]

like damn lemme snipe with my bolt gun during exec, u guys keep them off me

im literally the only guy with the ability to prio targets thro hordes and my teammates cant even deal with the horde

[acoustic wyvern]

Depend on yourself, but keep teamates close for coherency haha

[median merlin]

swing - swing - block - push - repeat. you'd think they would learn.

[patent valley]

they swing swing dodge back

[median merlin]

sprinkle in a few dodges here and there.

[patent valley]

we get cornered

[untold mulch]

I dodge more than block tbh

[median merlin]

that means they have blinders

[karmic musk]

Same I only block when I have negative dodges

[untold mulch]

I blockpush to reset my dodges

[nimble sentinel]

this is also why I shoot the horde you are allowed to shoot them it keeps them from slapping your nuts please shoot the horde

[median merlin]

oh and let me guess, they can't dodge a mutant reliably?

[untold mulch]

Depends on netcode

[patent valley]

in most cases i gun them down fast

[untold mulch]

no one is dodging muties

[patent valley]

max stability bolter with deadshot is so fun

its almost as if u're immune to suppression

[acoustic wyvern]

Face mutants head on

[median merlin]

i get them about 7 out of 10 times, depending on if i'm in a horde or not

[patent valley]

i can shoot at gunners while getting gunned

[acoustic wyvern]

But stand right infront of a wall

[untold mulch]

Dodge last second with rev Csword

[nimble sentinel]

speak for your parry-allergic self 😎

[patent valley]

yea that shxt's so fun

still kills them even if they run off

[untold mulch]

I wish I could parry with Csword

but I value the Rev more

I am mostly sure a PC4 Psword would be more useful to my playstyle

but, not chainsword so cringe

[median merlin]

revving a chainsword is fun and useful

[acoustic wyvern]

Psword is useful to any style

[median merlin]

especially with maulers and crushers

[acoustic wyvern]

But after using it for 300hr+ you desire other melees more

[untold mulch]

Gotta be carefulk not to be pancaked though

[median merlin]

true

i always look around me while the animation is playing

at the edges of the screen

[untold mulch]

Btw being able now to dodge out of Rev

is messing with me

[median merlin]

it was needed

[acoustic wyvern]

Its a godsend

[untold mulch]

Its a godsend

but my muscle memory is ffucking me

[median merlin]

XD

[untold mulch]

Rev hit

Spam dodge to dodge as soon as it ends

Leave with no damage

[median merlin]

lol

[untold mulch]

[karmic musk]

Try Chainaxe, you can dodge out of the light attacks, completely fking up the damage

[untold mulch]

Not my thing

[median merlin]

chainaxe is no

[acoustic wyvern]

Still slower than i like

But the rev is something i do like

Its soo good

[patent valley]

im still getting used to parry, sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt

[teal abyss]

New one slaps

[median merlin]

when it comes to ragers i value the fact that the rev stops them in their tracks

[patent valley]

its just too bad that i dont have mods to train in psykanium

[median merlin]

never tried it, i should

[patent valley]

1 shot carapace

[sleek cairn]

So instead of choosing, i tried this cursed node allocation

[thick hare]

can i get a tree for ps6 and plasma setup? havent played vet since they added keystones and it seems they changed the tree again now

[sleek cairn]

i regret.

[patent valley]

why would u want competitive

[sleek cairn]

not being serious

lol i just wanted to allocate every node so it wasnt grey

no numerical or gameplay advantage

[gray belfry]

[sleek cairn]

i made a joke earlier that i couldnt choose so.. i highlighted them all

[median merlin]

when every keystone node chosen is crap, your playing veteran

[sleek cairn]

funny enough, this works, it's just cursed

[gray belfry]

off to go make a yeehaw revolver while having no idea on what to build for it lmao

[sleek cairn]

competitive urge is not a bad node, it has consistent uptime. it's just not what u go for usually cuz ur sacrificing something

[cedar horizon]

I haven't managed to play much of the second part. But does anyone know what the "hidden" stuff is that was showed as "info offline" on the part 2 preview is?

[sleek cairn]

that there is 7 points lol

[teal abyss]

Not yet but it seems like it’s teasing a Zola rescue mission or something similar, the tease before they dropped was “Zola dispatched to Torrent”

Or maybe she’s a traitor

Who knows

[cedar horizon]

Ok. Thanks.

[gray belfry]

check out this shovel i got from melk

didnt realise damage could get that low

[sleek cairn]

nice, now use it

Use it now.

[gray belfry]

in the meat grinder right

[gusty sonnet]

it can go as low as 0

[patent valley]

u'd be surprised if i still have my 3% dmg axe from melk that i got for the blessing

[patent valley]

like actual 0?

[gray belfry]

lmao fuck

[sleek cairn]

some ppl collect 0 dmg weps like misprint magic cards

except they have no value, they're actual trash

[gray belfry]

gave it a shot in the grinder, like the moveset, now to just get one with.....good stats

[whole moon]

I've got as low as 9

[gray belfry]

pain

[gusty sonnet]

0% yes

[dapper vessel]

how is this calculated btw

[gray belfry]

doesnt it only give you 1 stack anyway?

nvm i confused the 2 around

but yeah you get up to 10 stacks, so at max youd get a 3rd of the magazine back

[patent valley]

its based on how many ammo is missing from your magazine, rounded up

[sleek cairn]

1 shot is all i need

[patent valley]

so take a revolver for example, if u dont have 1 bullet in your 5 bullet mag, having 1 stack giving u 3.3%

3.3% isnt even considered 1 bullet for revolver, but its rounded up, so even if its 0.1 of a bullet, it'd still reload 1 bullet

same goes to if its 1.1, it'd reload 2 bullets

and so on

so literally just multiply your ammo missing from magazine by 3.3% x how many stacks u have, and if it has any decimal points, increase it by 1

[hollow turtle]

wat da heck

What's with the funky lighting FS? e.e

[patent valley]

god emperor greets u through the window

[keen sedge]

do i really need a keystone or would this work?

[gusty sonnet]

middle keystone needs 2-3 modifiers to be effective, I'd say invest for right keystone + passive reload if playing revolver/shotty/bolter. Otherwise no need for keystone.

[patent valley]

idk what u're using for your weapon, but honestly veteran's arent known for their keystones, especially since vet tree rework came without keystones

its more known for its versatile nodes

[keen sedge]

columnus 🔥

[patent valley]

so u dont need a keystone to make it a good build

[keen sedge]

• chainsword

[patent valley]

take middle tree rending + onslaught

u melt crushers

[gusty sonnet]

Middle keystone kinda Pog though, especially this patch vs ambush bosses

[patent valley]

its always been pog, it was just hard to reach

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah, but it's poggers now

[patent valley]

[gray belfry]

hey side question, but what settigns turns this shit off, its tanking my framerate something fierce

'the sparks'

[mellow adder]

For the Make every shot count penance, do body shots that kill decrease accuracy?

[solar bone]

Hmmm This worth rolling? The reload stat dont mean shit on this gun. 7% lacking pen. Hmmm probalby worth yea?

[gray belfry]

i cheesed it before 'left with 2 shots on revolver left then came back and got 2 kills' and it triggered, the shots just need to hit as far as im aware

[patent valley]

not really designed for crushers to begin with, pen doesnt matter as much

i say this shxt's worth it, altho reload speed is the true dump stat on it

[gray belfry]

go for it. worst comes to worst you get a funny blessing for future rolls

[mellow adder]

for that do you Altf4 then join again?

[gray belfry]

yeah but i did it back at launch so im not sure if its fixed

[gusty sonnet]

it is fixed

[solar bone]

I dink its fucked up but probably still useable

[untold flame]

Thats totally useable

[solar bone]

probalby keep unarmored

go flak

get tirckshooter

[patent valley]

dis on vet?

[solar bone]

yea

[patent valley]

get crucian

use deadshot

replace terri with crucian

u can get quite a bit of crit

[solar bone]

one day they will let characters share inventory and I will have so many weapons to pick from

[patent valley]

plus u only brace to dump mags, so deadshot is good for it

[solar bone]

Spicy

[patent valley]

yea u wont stay in deadshot stance for long

been using deadshot for bolter since forever

[solar bone]

perfect

now I go do stupid build

kill many bosses

[patent valley]

i mean, i aint stopping u

go for it

altho u probably want both trick and crucian for that build

[vivid ocean]

vet keystones (with the exception of right) are generally not worth it

middle is more of a support the team option

left is only good for like one gun?

right is good for plasma / revolver or if you like quickswapping (horrible on bolter / helbore)

[south spindle]

Left one is stupid strong on DMR style weapons if you can hit your shots

In this patch, im not even sure Ping gives its damage boosts with the secondary nodes tbh

I tried it earlier an didnt feel like it was doing anything

But either way, ping is deffo the weakest, but least taxing to use

[patent valley]

really? tried in psykanium?

[south spindle]

Ye

[patent valley]

like 8 stacks give 35% dmg boost, tf

what if u tried it by itself?

without anything else that gives dmg

[south spindle]

I'll go do it now, i was running Vraks VII, i wasnt looking for a specific increase, but i was like a quarter of the way from one shotting flamer without anything active, an ping didnt change that at all, will do a more precise test now

[patent valley]

there could be some stuff overlapping if that's the case

[nimble sentinel]

my brother in He on Terra, PING MAKES THE RECON VIABLE

[south spindle]

Before, an after

[patent valley]

my buddy will still always hate it tho

[south spindle]

I killed Reaper with 8 stacks on it

the small amount of variance is likely something else, maybe longshot, but yeah, not enough to be ping buffs

[patent valley]

8 stacks of ping on it gives like 20 dmg?

[vivid ocean]

send

build

[patent valley]

ono, 12 dmg

[south spindle]

Thats what i mean, i think that was Longshot due to slightly different distance

I dont think ping works

[patent valley]

did u even ping it?

its not tagged

[south spindle]

You can see the literal 8 stacks at the bottom from killing the reaper before shooting the flamer a second time

[patent valley]

see u gotta tag it to apply it

[south spindle]

erefore, i dont think this works

[patent valley]

oh u mean redirect fire

[formal plinth]

you're not talking about the same buff

[south spindle]

Im not talking about the ping keystone, im talking about the buff node

[patent valley]

u only have 2 stacks of redirect fire, 1.5% dmg

[south spindle]

#veteran-class message

[patent valley]

u killed the reaper while it has only 2 stacks of focus fire

[south spindle]

I killed it with 8

[patent valley]

i see

[south spindle]

Thats why it shows 8 in the bottom there

[formal plinth]

this is the redirectr fire

The 8 is the number of stack ready to apply on next ping

[patent valley]

that is focus fire stacks

[gray belfry]

fellas how fucked is it

[vivid ocean]

that

[south spindle]

Ah right, so in actuality, Redirect is just dogshit, good to know

[vivid ocean]

is the shiniest brick ive ever seen

[formal plinth]

redirect is strong when playing with a lot of specials mobs

[gray belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/piddel-piddel-meme-piddel-gaming-piddel-pain-pain-gif-26176777

[formal plinth]

like you tag for 8 the first one

[hybrid token]

redirect is one of the best single talent points in the whole tree

[formal plinth]

and you refresh it for each pinged elite killed

[vivid ocean]

do succeeding stacks of focus -> redirect overwrite the first?

oh

[south spindle]

If it didnt reset back to one when the next target dies it would be

[vivid ocean]

oh shit

[hybrid token]

it doesnt

reset to 1

[south spindle]

However, it would appear its being reset in this current patch

[formal plinth]

I did not play this patch I'm gonna check

[vivid ocean]

ah, stealth nerf or bug? classic fartshart conundrum

[patent valley]

i'll do some testing too

there is a possibility it'll happen

[south spindle]

Its refreshing the stacks to zero as soon as you ping and kill another target

[patent valley]

it doesnt

in fact it stacks

if i kill 1 with 3 stacks of focus, i get 3

and if i kill another with 3 stacks, i get 6

[hybrid token]

hes looking at the stacks of mark

[south spindle]

Thats not how its workin for me

[hybrid token]

not redirect

[patent valley]

.

[patent valley]

look at this 👆

that is redirect fire, i think u're still talking about focus fire

[hybrid token]

the stacks that reset to 0 when you mark is the stacks of focus fire not the stacks of redirect

[south spindle]

In reference too, max stacks, 100 extra damage from headshot

[patent valley]

u're mistaking the icons

[south spindle]

Ping is ass

[patent valley]

well, its the constant uptime that makes it good

plus team wide buff

like i said, more of a support

[gray belfry]

how is the new chainaxe anyway

[patent valley]

slightly overtune, good tho

[hybrid token]

its a flat 12% damage buff on your whole team

[patent valley]

probs more made for zealot

[hybrid token]

permanently

[neon briar]

wth, shovel mk3 will just one shot a mutant with no buffs, no maniac perk

[patent valley]

u want more atk speed to make it good

[inner drift]

Vet gets 25% attack speed steroids tho

[south spindle]

When you could be going from this.. to this...

[dusky flare]

is this usable?

[inner drift]

and new chainaxe only needs Headtaker to hit horde clear breakpoints I think

[round jetty]

what is the point of a knife when i can just rock a power sword

[patent valley]

well if u enjoy moving less and your team can keep the horde of your back sure

[hybrid token]

yeah, some of the time, redirect is all the time on every weapon and all your grenades and your entire team

[trim hemlock]

If you don’t mind missing one dodge, sure

[patent valley]

one's just more versatile and easy to use than the other

[trim hemlock]

4 dodges is perfectly manageable IMO

[south spindle]

All you have to do is land your shots

[patent valley]

whilst said other is flat out dmg for u and only u, as long as u stay still most of the time

[dusky flare]

what's the threshold for 5

[trim hemlock]

50.5 IIRC

[south spindle]

This whole "you have to stand still to use Marksman's" is wrong and it needs to stop being perpetuated

[trim hemlock]

( it rounds up to 51 visually )

[dusky flare]

yikes

[gray belfry]

with the new revolver, im assuming the go to blessings are rending onc rit and crit chance based on shots fired?

[patent valley]

during a horde, if your teammates cant keep them off your back, i'd beg to differ

[hybrid token]

didnt say you do

[patent valley]

whilst focus fire is permanently uptime regardless

[hybrid token]

but your still not gonna have full stacks all the time

and it only buffs head shots and crits

[patent valley]

i mean sure u can empty your gun into the horde, but isnt that kinda wasteful?

[hybrid token]

redirect buffs EVERYTHING

[patent valley]

especially if your teammates use guns too?

[hybrid token]

grenades, melee, bleed

your entire team

[patent valley]

it just depends, i agree that its pog dmg, but its not always accessible

i mean u certainly aint doing shxt with that vs a chaos spawn if its after u

especially with its head moving around that much

[south spindle]

You dont need to, you just need to be accurate, it entirely rewards skilled plays, it doesnt punish bad aim, but you wont benifit from it if thats the case

[patent valley]

but its situational like i said

[patent valley]

no, see horde's running to u

normally u mag dump into them if u wanna keep marksman stacks up

[whole moon]

I'm posting it again just cos I forgot about it.. were never at ranges that matter so who needs a barrel?

[hybrid token]

and mark talent can give you absurd boss damage to

[patent valley]

u'll def get many headshots even while magdumping, u'll still keep stacks up

but u waste bullets, that's what im saying

[patent valley]

like u wont be killing range elites and shxt during this situation

[whole moon]

Right... in.... front

[patent valley]

my point is u're gonna either lose stacks, or lose bullets during the chaotic moments

and neither are good

maybe if u have the free stacks while standing still u'll get them back fast

but focus fire regardless will have uptime, range, melee, running, standing still

[hybrid token]

Left keystone is only decent coz youre already more likely to be at the bottom of that tree anyway

but right and middle ones are better

[patent valley]

i dont really think like that but eh

[hybrid token]

right ones just silly

[patent valley]

i'd prefer left over right

middle's just easiest to use is all im tryna say

[hybrid token]

the right one is objectively ass blastingly broken

[patent valley]

its not terrible, its just lower skill ceiling plus its a support ability

[hybrid token]

15% attack speed and free reloads is disgusting

[nimble sentinel]

free reloads are only like 33% of the mag, right?

[patent valley]

yes

[nimble sentinel]

only really useful on a plasma imho

[hybrid token]

the middle one will objectively increase your damage more over a long game than the left one

[patent valley]

and it'd only be considered better with the slow reload weapons

[hybrid token]

it is not support

[patent valley]

but they also have slow pullout speed

well i guess u dont need to pull them out all the way

[nimble sentinel]

||said my lackluster grindr dates||

[south spindle]

No, you dont, you swap to melee and kill them, it takes 5 headshot kills to reach max stacks since they buffed it from one stack per HS to 3

[hybrid token]

you only need 1 stack of the right one to reload 1 bullet to a revolver

pull it out blast a special

melee with 15% speed

[south spindle]

When is there not 5 trash shooters, or hell, even a gunner squad to stack it back up off?

[hybrid token]

pull it out blast a special

never reload

[patent valley]

it gives teamwide buffs, how is it not support?

[nimble sentinel]

||said my better grindr dates||

[patent valley]

well they do happen

[south spindle]

Then you're in a situation where you dont need them

[patent valley]

sometimes bullwarks or crushers rush in from no where

[hybrid token]

it gives YOU more damage than the left one overall, the fact that it gives your team damage to just makes it vastly better when its already better

if it didnt give your team damage to it would STILL be better

than the left one

[south spindle]

Things like this are why left Keystone is exceptionally good on DMR style weapons

[patent valley]

now i havent tested it, but i gotta argue that u may not be right

[hybrid token]

one shotting a reaper is a gimmick and changes nothing in an actual game, reapers are zero threat

[vivid ocean]

i mean, they're relatively low threat

wouldnt say zero

[hybrid token]

and plasma already 1 shots them

[patent valley]

7.5% range finesse power basically means 7.5% increase weakspot/crit dmg

if u take crit weakspot, that bonus basically doubles

[south spindle]

Also Maulers, Ragers, and everything else except Crusher and Mutie, which are two taps

[patent valley]

well idk if 7.5% finesse = 7.5% weakspot/crit but i assume it is

[south spindle]

Yes, you're correct, and Plasma takes zero effort or skill requirement to use, ironically, the same as ping

[patent valley]

either way its a dmg booster for both weakspot and crit, and when both of them add to each other its bonuses is doubled

[hybrid token]

thats not how weakspot crits work

weakspot crits are less than a crit and headshot combined

[patent valley]

is it?

[hybrid token]

usually barely more than a regular headshot

depends on the weapon

for example

400 base damage

800 headshot

800 crit

but a headshot crit will be like 930

or something like that

[patent valley]

not what the revolver tells me

[hybrid token]

revolver is one of the few thats ok

[patent valley]

depends on the weapon, but lets take the revolver as an example

since its most probably the one i'll use

when with left keystone

and plus i did say, that keystone is situational, since every weapon has different weakspot/crit dmg

[hybrid token]

the revolver one shots everything without the left keystone

so the left keystone does literally nothing

[patent valley]

not crushers, not monsters

[south spindle]

You should really try Boltgun with it, its super fuckin good

Really pretty OP infact

[patent valley]

well maybe crushers, sry

[slim hamlet]

Maulers would like a word

[patent valley]

i havent got a perfect revolver on vet to try yet

but with the hand cannon nerf it might not one shot crushers anymore

but anyway, even if its a lot of excess dmg, its still useful in a pinch

and a revolver that can actually do good into monsters sounds good to me

with zarona i only struggle with monsters

[hybrid token]

if your in a pinch with a single crusher i can tell you a great talent for extra damage

~marking it~

[patent valley]

well, marks take time to come back

marksman stacks stay

[hybrid token]

99% of the time youll have at minimum 3 stacks of mark

so thats 12%

[patent valley]

especially with the one that gives it to u when standing still

[hybrid token]

plus 12% from redirect

24% flat damage on everything is infinitely better than variable finesse

and marking something with full stacks is 32% damage which is just silly on bosses

[south spindle]

Ping isnt infinitely better, its deadbrained free damage for people who cant be bothered to aim

You can get half the bonus from a fucking aura for goodness sake

[patent valley]

so like i said, its not that one's better than the other, its just that one's situational, and one's always active

[hybrid token]

being easier to use doesnt make it worse

[patent valley]

ik yall both are supremacists but its just one is easier to use, the other is situational

[hybrid token]

and left keystone is the easiest to use

because you should be headshotting anyway

you dont need to do anything extra

[south spindle]

If that was true, why wouldnt you just use that?

[hybrid token]

it takes zero extra input

because it does less damage lmao

[south spindle]

It doesnt tho

[hybrid token]

its objecitvely worse

[south spindle]

You can look at the pictures above, it nearly doubles headshot damage

Thats a LOT of easier breakpoints

[slim hamlet]

I find both stamina regen talents with deadshot and 10% base damage, ogryn damage, elite damage, 10% rending and 20% power on headshot hit very nice for the new revolver

[hybrid token]

headshots are tiny part of your overall damage

[crude wind]

finesse is way more consistent then ping

[crude wind]

oh dear, no

if you aren't aiming for the head you're doing it wrong

[south spindle]

☝️

[hybrid token]

if youre just standing shooting

and not meleeing

grenadeing

[crude wind]

who does that

[hybrid token]

youre doing it wrong

people who can play

[crude wind]

who stands still shooting

[little path]

My main reason for not using left side perk is that it's kinda overkill

[south spindle]

You dont have to stand still... you have to be accurate...

[crude wind]

you can hit heads and move

[slim hamlet]

Veteran is all about the head always even when nading and meleeing

[crude wind]

you know?

[karmic musk]

Laspistol hipfire, just saying

[crude wind]

i'

[south spindle]

This "Oh you have to stand still to use Marksman's" is a fallacy

[crude wind]

I've seen some luke warm takes in my time but "don't shoot the head" is up there

[little path]

The perk also lets you move after you get a headshot

no reason to not move

Either way though I prefer to use those points on other things

[hybrid token]

show me where anyone said that

ill wait

[south spindle]

I can think of one single instance where Ping would be valuable, and thats if you take fireteam, because at that point its nearly 20% extra damage, and even then, you're neutering your ammo efficiency to do so

[patent valley]

only for some weapons

[crude wind]

you may not say it here

[karmic musk]

The only fallacy is thinking you should change your playstyle to fit Marksman's Focus, just treat it as invisible buff for headshot weapons. Move as per usual

[crude wind]

but you're implying it

[slim hamlet]

3 seconds until the next headshot kill is a lot for a single stack of marksman to go away. Marking a target can help an under equipped team when no one went for dps

[hybrid token]

wrong

[south spindle]

This

[hybrid token]

exactly, thats why its the lowest skill, because you should already be doing it

[little path]

what is better on powersword

[hybrid token]

it takes zero extra input

[little path]

Rampage or uuh

Rampage or supercharge

[hybrid token]

rampage

[trim hemlock]

Rampage

[little path]

Supercharge seems pretty mid since most things die

in one swing

[hybrid token]

supercharge is garbage

[trim hemlock]

Supercharge doesn’t do much currently to warrant taking it over anything else

[patent valley]

unless u wanna two shot crushers

but doesnt matter too much

[little path]

what perks

flak and maniac?

[crude wind]

Flak for sure

[rigid belfry]

yo, does the voice of command interact with the born leader perk or

[crude wind]

not sure you need Maniac anymore on Powersword

might hit all the BPs without it

test tho

[slim hamlet]

There is tradeoffs and team play in this game. Team mates of different classes can share damage boosts or go for damage from their own talents… I see children who are right in their own theories while they are not open for different circumstances

[little path]

Unyielding and flak then

[round nest]

I still run the knife over the powersword

[little path]

I don't like running non power/chain weapons anymore

[modest crystal]

how can i make this recon lasgun better

[round nest]

Stacking bleed is fun

[little path]

I find that I can't trust teammates enough

[crude wind]

like I said, test. if you don't need Maniac i'd probably take Carapace

[little path]

so I need some carapce damage

or high flak

[eternal venture]

Devil Claw

[round nest]

I use a good old hellbore for it

[crude wind]

Perks to maniac and flak

[woeful junco]

@crude wind quick, which shovel do I craft

[crude wind]

VII

[woeful junco]

ty

[round nest]

Perk the hellbore right and the mark 3 can 2 shot a crusher

[crude wind]

it is SO fun

and the light bonk is just, chefs kiss

[hybrid token]

manaic and flak, old reliable

if you dont know what to put on something

just slap em on there

[wanton dawn]

Perk the plasma right and it os crusher

[round nest]

It does?

[wanton dawn]

(On charged shot)

[round nest]

Even then

I need to know your secrets

[wanton dawn]

I have a video from... 2 days ?

[round nest]

That will do

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[round nest]

Cheers

[hybrid token]

unyielding and flak on my plasma coz that mauler is going to the shadow realm

[south spindle]

Thats a reach given there is an implied skill floor to getting consistent headshots as opposed to just spamming ping at random shit incase one of them dies (by any means, you dont even have to kill them)

[vivid ocean]

im about

[little path]

Can't spam ping

[hybrid token]

thats skill of headshots not of the keystone, the keystone does not require you to do anything extra, the other 2 do

[vivid ocean]

to suggest a meme build

[little path]

the ability gains stacks every 2 seconds

[eternal venture]

Helbore Mk3 needs a bit of investment to 2shot a Crusher on crit headshot: +Carapace, Longshot, Rending Strike

[little path]

you can't spam ping since spam pinging means you only get like 5%?

[eternal venture]

I don't think you actually need Bring It Down

[vivid ocean]

deadshot + focus fire stam refund + 3 +3 max stamina trinkets

[woeful junco]

perks/blessings?

[south spindle]

If you dont hit heads.. you dont get any benifit, erefore, to leverage the Keystone effectively, you need to be able to hit those shots in the first place, IE; you need to have reached the skill floor

[hybrid token]

you should be doing that anyway, whether you have the keystone or not

[little path]

You can also opt to not use any keystone

[hybrid token]

taking the keystone does not require you to play any different or any more skillfully

the other 2 do

left keystone is just if you dont want to think

so i take it on shotgun lol

[south spindle]

Weap'Spec' deffo does, Ping is arbitrary, you dont have to do anything other than point at something thats gonna invariably die sooner or later to someone

[little path]

there's a strong argument that the keystones on vet aren't strong enough that they are 100% mandatory

[south spindle]

There is zero skill floor to ping

Literally zero

[slim hamlet]

Keystones are overrated when you want max damage possible from melee and ranged

[hybrid token]

you have to choose what to mark and what not to reach break points or not reach break points

not spam random shit that doesnt matter

[little path]

Also hitting headshots is pretty easy if you use autoguns

[hybrid token]

thats more than the left one

[little path]

and autoguns are fucking powerful

[hybrid token]

which requires nothing

[south spindle]

If you need to be that picky about it, there is something wrong with the rest of your build tbh

[little path]

columnus mk5 and spray and pray at roughly head level

[south spindle]

Ye, i dont use Keystones on my BAG build, because none of them really give it any massive benifit vs other choices

[little path]

same

[hybrid token]

yeah my braced build doesnt have one

id take the right one but i cant be bothered going over there

[south spindle]

Man, they need to give the Graia the base RoF as the braced RoF