veteran-class

[finite imp]

Select cool whatever

[civic bay]

honestly, it's enough of a hassle to transfer over that I can understand just taking a picture of the screen for a simple question lol

[fleet garden]

ye

[civic bay]

there's no need to nitpick so hard about this xD

[finite imp]

And look what that got him chrischan

[civic bay]

if they were on a computer and could press one button then drag it over then I understand

[fleet garden]

anyone done any runs with the new catachan combat blade=?

how does it feel

[civic bay]

haven't been blessed with it in shop yet

[finite imp]

Do you like crack

Cuz it feels like smoking crack

[tall torrent]

Am liking this for revolver

[civic bay]

I was wondering how the cleave is and if it might be better for bleed build

[fleet garden]

nice, milkman is selling one with bad perks but ok blessing

[finite imp]

Hot knife through butter

[fleet garden]

it has executor as a blessing

[gusty bison]

No free reloads?

[finite imp]

Heavy 1 attack is a fucking BANGER of an opening against mixed hordes

[gusty bison]

Oh wait nvm

U did take it

[civic bay]

sounds fun

[finite imp]

Ragers rage against this knife

They bitch about it in rager channel

Saying it's too OP against groups of 20

[tall torrent]

Does new knife h1 stagger all ragers hit

[finite imp]

Sometimes

I think so

The block stab does

I'll need to test it more

But right now I'm having too much turn brain off fun

[hybrid torrent]

first heavy can cleave enemies, and catachan knives have access to haymeker, so you can sometimes kill a group of 3-5 poxwalkers with a single H1 swing

added benefit of sometimes KOing a Mauler with a single heavy swing

[finite imp]

2nd heavy cleaves too

3rd is a STAB

Block strike is a stab too

Both hurt like hell

2nd heavy is odd

It's almost like a slashing STAB

A hybrid strike

[hybrid torrent]

idk why, but it feels like second heavy struggles with cleave

maybe its just me tho

[finite imp]

Either way I rip armor apart with all 3 heavies

My standard for a good knife is how good can it cut through armor

If it can answer armor it can answer anything

[dark sorrel]

Why do they call teh Agripinaa revolver "Precise"

This shit is so fucking inaccurate lmao

[forest scaffold]

May I suggest Power Sword

its just like a really big knife

[hybrid torrent]

It's cowboy quickdraw precise

[dark sorrel]

As in take out and unload? lmao

I've been using a weapons specialist build with it

. . . it works but it feels like shit at medium range lmao

[finite imp]

Git gud or whatever

Idk why they took away ads

[fierce steeple]

what blessings are the meta for plasma these days? Glory hunter and blaze away still?

[dark sorrel]

cuz its fucking cool

Next question

[pine snow]

you can hit things if you shoot enough bullets in a short time period

[finite imp]

Just put fanning on special

[pine snow]

therefore

precise

[dark sorrel]

this is so true

I'm maining it

But I gotta say its so fucking cool but its precision is ass

[forest scaffold]

Gets Hot and Blaze Away

Gets Hot allows you to do weird one-shot breakpoint shit on uncharged primary fires

I don't know if I like it, but I can see where the proponents of it are coming from.

[hybrid torrent]

Trying using dynamic crosshairs mod to adjust hipfire crosshairs for your fov

[forest scaffold]

Just not super duper consistent

[pine snow]

yeah i'd say use the crosshair mod to give urself one when braced

it helps a lot having a dot in the middle of the s c reen

[dark sorrel]

I do

I also use crosshair remap to something more comfortable

Its still ass lmao

I even use the laser pointer from the weapon customization mod

Shits still ass

And I love it

[sonic skiff]

hello gamers

[dark sorrel]

no

[sonic skiff]

does anyone have a new revolver build

oh

nvm

i guess

[serene sage]

no

[forest scaffold]

me when plasma gun bfg crosshair

crosshair remap

still shoot everything centermass

still shoot everything centermass

ohno.jpg

[dark sorrel]

LOl

[sonic skiff]

anyway shout new revolver feels mid for dmg

exe was fun but shout too good

[dark sorrel]

I just need the big iron to not be ass at aiming lmao

[pine snow]

revolver feels mid for d amage he said

[dark sorrel]

Its like

Probs the best for burst damage lmao

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, its not really "Solving" an issue that the OG revolver has

and that's because OG revolver needs a nerf

At this point, probably reload speed/fire rate.

[pine snow]

#veteran-class message I refer you to this

[dark sorrel]

Does Deadshot help with accuracy

[pine snow]

no idea what difficulty azreal tested it on tho

[dark sorrel]

Damnation

Its also like super impractical lmao

[forest scaffold]

I mean that's neat

[dark sorrel]

I love it for it

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

That's a "I have 2000 hours in darktide" build

[mystic belfry]

Mixed on shovel 3 so far

[pine snow]

i swear i eat bullets like mad using the revolver but still i love it

[forest scaffold]

Bored out of your mind trying to find a new challenge

so you just hyper focus on one job

[dark sorrel]

Its so bad I love it

[sonic skiff]

i feel like

[mystic belfry]

Seems okay but the moveset hasn't clicked with me yet

[sonic skiff]

exe revolver is fun

but getting down to the right keystone is too many points

[forest scaffold]

exe revolver solves a huge amount of issues with revolver

[pine snow]

im still a plasma addict

[mystic belfry]

Just get more crit chance

[pine snow]

nothing will ever change that

[forest scaffold]

Mostly just getting one-shot breakpoints without needing critical hits

[sonic skiff]

what keystone do yall go for new revolver

[mystic belfry]

Tag

[sonic skiff]

i feel like marksman focus would be troll

[dark sorrel]

Tag you're it

[forest scaffold]

Ragers need not apply*

As you lose the osbp without a crit

[forest scaffold]

swappy swappy would be the best wouldn't it?

Eh, maybe not.

Its got a fast reload

Yeah, probably ping then.

Just to shore up breakpoints here and there at range

[lost portal]

You can stack kinetic resonance up to four times with the ability maelstrom, meth, some extra specials/elites, and warp syphon.

[sonic skiff]

i tried shout/swap for new revolver

dmg feels v mid without talent buffs

[bold ibex]

after using the new axe.. it feels even worse than the old one somehow. Just get murdered mobbing. Idk how it feels so bad but it does.

Why isn't chain revving a toggle that just makes your attacks do /more/ but /slower. Like strikedowns should work as they do but the swiping attacks should get infinite cleave and a low swing speed as they chew through multiple enemies.

[hybrid torrent]

Me playing zealot without holy revenant

[dark sorrel]

Also tag keystone gives you back stamina

[forest scaffold]

I play zealot without Thy Wrath Be Swift

we are not the same

[sonic skiff]

but then its prob too far from swap to play with exe

[dark sorrel]

Useful for deadshot builds

[sonic skiff]

do yall go into deadshot

then just not go any further

im trying to find the points to move to get grenade every 60s

[ebon umbra]

oh god i think i wanna go wep specialist revolver i havent used it in game yet tho

i know i'll burn through ammo but god i want like 1 private match with the boys where i spam the hell out of that single action's hammer

[mystic belfry]

Take target down and drop the other two keystone nodes imo

[sonic skiff]

i just swapped from krak to frag and took 5% grenade regain talent in the tree

[civic bay]

wait Redirect Fire is insane though

[sonic skiff]

makes it easier

[mystic belfry]

Eh.

It's okay

[civic bay]

well not insane but free 12% perma boost to team

might as well drop Marksman

which is 20% weakspot power for 10s after using abilities

[mystic belfry]

It effectively costs 2 talents

[civic bay]

assuming they only need one point

[mystic belfry]

because taking focused fire without it is silly

[sonic skiff]

i figured out grenade issues

[dull crest]

do i pick competitive urge or bring it down

[sonic skiff]

realized exe stance kinda solves any armor problems

[junior needle]

Redirecty fire is what?

[junior needle]

Bring it down is generally considered the consistent and more readily appreciable pick

[mystic belfry]

No, that's target down

[sonic skiff]

is rending strikes worth it

[mystic belfry]

Target down is amazing and I would never take the tag keystone without it

[dull crest]

thx

[civic bay]

Yeah, got wrong one

[mystic belfry]

Depends on your gun, check the breakpoints

[sonic skiff]

good point

[mystic belfry]

But probably won't change much

[civic bay]

Competitive Urge is kinda finnicky from my experience

it pops up often enough but you have no control over it

[mystic belfry]

Comp urge just isn't worth a talent

Like it's not awful, you just can't play like you have it

[junior needle]

Should be every X enemies like the zealot crit keystone

[civic bay]

goes wasted a lot of the time, especially since there's no guarantee you're not just overkilling with it even if you aren't outright missing the window

[mystic belfry]

You would want to take it for a horde breakpoint

For example, headshotting with brutal momentum on a rashad axe

iirc that actually works for brawlers

The trash with armor but no helmet

[ebon umbra]

competitive urge for a full psyker team tho

[mystic belfry]

Brawlers, bruiser ,w/e they are

[dark sorrel]

Deadshot does help tremendously with accuracy

[ebon umbra]

i have a build with it just in case

[dark sorrel]

With the new revolver*

[ebon umbra]

[mystic belfry]

Deadshot is crazy just for the crit chance

[sonic skiff]

ya rending dont matter

[dark sorrel]

That too

[sonic skiff]

as long as i crit crushers go down in 2-3 shots

[ebon umbra]

-thus spoke crab

his teachings continue

[dark sorrel]

Like is it even worth running crucian roulette lmao

[ebon umbra]

never forget

[mystic belfry]

+21% crit chance from critical bonus, +25% from deadshot

A full mag dump with +4 stam takes me to 77% stamina

[dark sorrel]

sigh

I really need a higher crit chance bonus

[mystic belfry]

ow

[dark sorrel]

Though with Exec stance this suffices

[mystic belfry]

Still usable though

[dark sorrel]

Oh yeah 100%

I'm not gonna overcap on crit

But I sure as hell am gonna crit a lot

[mystic belfry]

This is mine. She doesn't have any legs, but she sure can poke you in the eye

[earnest halo]

The mobility LMAO

[mystic belfry]

ye

[sonic skiff]

whats cruc 4 vs cruc 3

6% vs 5.5?

[mystic belfry]

Believe so

Crit goes crazy

[dark sorrel]

fuck it we ball

what even is the base crit chance

[mystic belfry]

idk

[livid fractal]

stabby shovel + vraaks DMR a good pick>

im having a blast but im wondering if im doing something wrong

[mystic belfry]

Here's the damage grid though

[hybrid torrent]

5% base crit chance with revolvers

[mystic belfry]

Decent enough combo imo

[near sable]

where cruci trickshooter

[livid fractal]

tbf i generally prefer the basic ass guns on vet

who needs a funky plasma gun and chainsword, ive got a shovel and a dmr

[earnest halo]

I really wish/hope

They'll give us

The browning

[mystic belfry]

Hmm, so 51% base crit chance, maxing at 73% crit chance for the final round

[earnest halo]

Give me this

This is hilarious

[livid fractal]

the browning?

ohh lmao

[earnest halo]

YEAH HAHA

[near sable]

the browning

[livid fractal]

tbf i think darktide just needs more MGs

[earnest halo]

^

Give me a las lmg first though

[livid fractal]

tho its not top of my priorty i'd still like it

[earnest halo]

Need to give the gunners a taste of their own medicine

[mystic belfry]

If they do it'll probably be bad :v

[livid fractal]

if i could have any 3 weapons it'd be:
Melta
Powerfist
Heavy Boltor

[earnest halo]

I don't care give it to me

It's drippy

I want the Ogyrn to get some kind of brass knuckles

Or just their fists

Let me rip people apart

[livid fractal]

why am i getting this error

[mystic belfry]

If I could have any weapon

It would be an orbital barrage

[earnest halo]

Reload the game

[livid fractal]

i have several times

[mystic belfry]

Nice base, would roll it if I wasn't fucking broke again :v

[livid fractal]

ive been getting it since update

[earnest halo]

Strange.

Maybe verify? @livid fractal

[midnight mortar]

Try swapping the ! marked curio.

[livid fractal]

cant, no extra curios ;-;

[civic bay]

buy one

[livid fractal]

am broek

[civic bay]

That message appears when you sell an equipped piece of equipment and it auto-fills

probably also has an exclamation point in the build icon?

[livid fractal]

ended up scrapping some stuff so

also damn!

wait

damn!

[civic bay]

o nice

21% is max roll but I usually buy 20% and higher since 21% is stupid rare

[livid fractal]

ruined? or saveable

[civic bay]

questionable lol

[livid fractal]

ig more curios is nice

[civic bay]

I would personally keep it for the combat ability regen

[midnight mortar]

You can only change 2 of the perks on there, so it's not bad. Not ideal either but usable.

Combat ability regen can be ok.

[civic bay]

but honestly speaking, cutting 3.6s from shout cooldown with 3 curious is super questionable lol

[midnight mortar]

Block efficiency and curio mission reward should go when you can afford it.

[glad patio]

agreed. if it's what you've got for now, keep the cdr

[midnight mortar]

I personally don't invest in curios until I get one with a +21% health, 17% toughness, or +3 max stamina.

[livid fractal]

gona keep the curio reward cuz more curios = more curios

[civic bay]

I wouldn't

[livid fractal]

at least for now

[civic bay]

it's not that hard to get good rolls in the shop if you play steadily

[mystic belfry]

Ack

[glad patio]

Is 17 the max on toughness? Have I been searching for things that don't exist?

[civic bay]

and you can probably use the 3% combat ability regen one semi-long term depending on your build

yes, 17% is the max for toughness

the numbers Pearl gave are the max rolls

[glad patio]

||goddanmit||

[civic bay]

I was looking for 20% toughness for the longest time 🤣

[midnight mortar]

Correct.

17% is the maximum for toughness curios.

[hallow tulip]

this worth buying for the blessings?
which one do i steal?

[stark hollow]

well you already have slaughterer

so no

not worth it

[hallow tulip]

oh

[midnight mortar]

If you insist on buying it, you're only able to steal one of the blessings so.

[hallow tulip]

apparently i do

lmao

[civic bay]

I wouldn't generally buy level 3 blessings from Melk unless I'm really desperate

[hallow tulip]

thunderous worth grabbing?

[stark hollow]

yea if there isnt a magnifying glass next to it means you have it

[hallow tulip]

i have more of his currency than plasteel xD

[glad patio]

What is brittleness? Armor reduction?

[hallow tulip]

ya

[civic bay]

Yeah, it's like rending but in debuff form

[mystic belfry]

Yeah armor reduction

[glad patio]

I'm learning all sorts of things here.

[midnight mortar]

Rending that other people can take advantage of.

[civic bay]

so it works for your team

[midnight mortar]

Where if a friendly damages the enemy with brittleness, they get that same % damage increase against the armor type.

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, trauma force staff of psyker with the brittleness blessings is a crazy amount of damage increase for the group

Does AoE debuffs all over the place

[civic bay]

You have to consider what weapon it's on to see how useful it is

[mystic belfry]

ye

[civic bay]

it's best on things like the aforementioned trauma force where you can slap a ton of enemies at a time

[hallow tulip]

whats the go to vet weapon? for dropping ranged enemies/quick swapping for trappers?

[civic bay]

afaik most other weapons don't bother in the blessings?

I have it on my Grenadier Gauntlet

oh and Can Opener on Ripper Gun

[mystic belfry]

Revolver (either one), las pistol (either one), columnus infantry, plasma

[hallow tulip]

ok no las rifles

las pistol difference?

[mystic belfry]

las rifles are good

[hallow tulip]

pistol vs rifle?

[mystic belfry]

las pistol is quicker to draw and is high finesse

If you want to shoot more often the rifles can be better, just depends

I prefer pistol myself

[hallow tulip]

i melee a lot tbh

unless im playing in a premade

[mystic belfry]

Same :v

[hallow tulip]

but pubs you get swarmed to easily

[civic bay]

if you only want to shoot once then probably just roll with the revolver or plasma

[glad patio]

I'd go with a pistol or revolver then for the quicker draw

[civic bay]

lasrifle is slower swap

laspistol is really fast but doesn't handle Carapace well (lasgun problems). totally usable though

[sharp tinsel]

this is irrelevant to darktide but I made a really cool 3d model and I wanna share it with my fave class chat

[hallow tulip]

krak and chain axe for that

[frank ether]

cant go wrong with shovel

[hallow tulip]

which las pistol is better? or preference?

[glad patio]

The new one has a lower rof but higher damage

[sharp tinsel]

that is all. you can go back to darktide now.

i just felt like sharing

[glad patio]

The old one was really good on crit builds, idk how the new one is performing.

[mystic belfry]

Haven't tried the new one much yet. Can't say for certain

[hallow tulip]

i hate semi autos, so if i gotta manually click every time, id rather it hit like a truck

[civic bay]

the new one is like an infantry lasgun in pistol form lol

[mystic belfry]

See, I don't mind clicking like crazy

I've always been a fan of high fire rate semi's in games

Use to be an AN-94 main in battlefield 3 :v

[civic bay]

in that case you'd hate the unnerfed original laspistol lol

[glad patio]

Yeah me neither. I feel like I can click faster than the recon sometimes.

[civic bay]

super high rate of fire, but semi-auto

[glad patio]

The new one might be more your speed.

[mystic belfry]

Or just the revolvers

[glad patio]

Yeah, either works. Old one for pin point accuracy, new one for deleting what's in front of you

[civic bay]

the laspistols have a cute little scope instead of aim down sights if you care

[mystic belfry]

It's not a scope

[hallow tulip]

i was using revolver, but reload pain, new one is nice with the laser pointer mod

[glad patio]

I haven't taken the time to install any mods. People always talking about putting a sight on the Helgun and I'm like, "But cool iron sights"

[sharp tinsel]

we don't have a helgun yet tho?

[fading grove]

how bad is the new revolver with 46% reload speed (the stat doesn't show times, just says "time to reload" lol). It's an otherwise great roll

[sharp tinsel]

unless I missed something.

[civic bay]

I don't know what to call it, but it's cute

[fading grove]

I'm guessing bad

[hallow tulip]

the weapon customization one is nice,
the cooler the weapon looks, the more dmg it does

[civic bay]

taken from a random YouTube video

[median hemlock]

I'm liking the new one. Makes you feel like Han Solo when you one tap scab ragers with it. It's great with deadshot of course.

[hallow tulip]

noice

[sonic skiff]

exe new revolver with tag

very very fun

idk why tho i swear maulers take more shots than crushers

prob because i have the ogryn dmg talents

[mystic belfry]

Still need to try that

[sonic skiff]

def do

a crusher goes down in two crits with exe

only issue is wanting to keep exe up but then chaff start hitting you

[woeful ibex]

guys

Which of the new shovel is best for Anti-Hoards?

[hallow tulip]

YOU CAN ONE TAP RAGERS WITH NEW PISTOL

[hallow tulip]

ITS AMAZING

[earnest halo]

I still like my old revolver

Especially on

My psyker

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1GNmwk5yuIEKyv

It's my

Anti-everything

Haven't tested the new one though

[south spindle]

Well that was fun, picked up a random Psyker in Mourningstar an ran a few missions, we fuckin smashed it 😄 love it when you find a good random

[earnest halo]

When you find good randoms it's usually a great game

[south spindle]

Ye for sure, just started from chatting to em in Mourningstar an went from there, was a good time

[spark helm]

Had an ogryn and psyker that stuck around for like four runs

Was a time

[remote osprey]

Real question - how to figure that the random is good unless trying...

[thorn yoke]

Step 1: start with the ones with clever names

[remote osprey]

Don't do this because weight of responsibility hinders me and I start to play even worse than doing it normally.

[spark helm]

To me, it's more like just recognizing when me and the other people are actually playing off each other.

[thorn yoke]

@spark helm How's the HB journey going?

[spark helm]

Little things really.

[spark helm]

I'm not giving up but damn. Uh. This shit hard but i like it.

[remote osprey]

That feel when you just use names from random pool

[spark helm]

I really am addicted to la las

[tulip condor]

they change vet talent tree again or something? all my shit is reset

[spark helm]

Yep just enjoy the new spread

[remote osprey]

Helbores are still better.

[tulip condor]

decent?

[thorn yoke]

they compressed the keystone chains and made them nicer.

[tulip condor]

wait

spread?

ah

[spark helm]

Eh. Not for what I usually like to do.

[tulip condor]

not like recoil spread

[south spindle]

Weight of responsibility? If someone isnt great its not your responsibility to keep them upright 😄

[zealous wyvern]

1a

[thorn yoke]

I like ammo efficiency, so haven't had a good 1a build since the buff. I run out of shots too quickly and before it wasn't worth going to shocktrooper. Will have to try with the new trees

[south spindle]

At the end of the day, they're a random till you vibe with them, then it changes

[zealous wyvern]

i think he means himself playing worse if he matches with ppl

i understand the sentiment

[south spindle]

Like had really good team chemistry this this lad/lass, so added them after a few runs, will do again 10/10

[thorn yoke]

Oh yeah, don't try to quickswap a helbore. It'll make you cry for infantry las

[zealous wyvern]

disappointing randoms is easier than disappointing people you actively made play with you

it creates for me the illusion of having promised them success

[spark helm]

Hellbores are definitely not poor tools. They're just not ones I have a lot of experience with and there's still a disconnect for me that I can't use what I do in vt2 to sort of bridge that experience

[south spindle]

Then dont promise them success 😄

[remote osprey]

When I play in the team, I want to do good but sometimes I suck, dumb decisions are taken and so on. It happens less in just team of 3 randos and me, because technically I don't give a damn about them and their opinion.

[spark helm]

And for my builds, they're not going to be seeing much use even if I adjust them to include them. I'm not at a point where I feel smooth with em yet.

[south spindle]

Yeah, but thats true of everyone, sometimes you just have a bad day, no point in worrying about disappointing someone, everyone inherently understands you cant play perfectly every time

[prime vault]

what blessings do you want on the new chainsword? melk has one with cleave blessings

[south spindle]

Its just part of how things go

[midnight mortar]

I watched an HL-17-36 mission go south within 2 minutes of starting because a psyker's fire spread from a rager to a Daemonhost in the first room.

Someone grant me the Emperor's mercy.

[south spindle]

Not worth passing up on what could be some really good games because you're worried you might not perform at your best

[spark helm]

They're definitely more dodge friendly than I expected to feel. I get away with some shit that's different and feels good like Las guns

[south spindle]

Oh really? Did wildfire get broken this patch? Never used to spread to them, they werent active targets for it in the code iirc

[midnight mortar]

Well, that's what they claim happened at least. I'm a bit dubious since the DH went for the Ogryn first rather than them.

[spark helm]

Straight up couldn't hit shit on my hellbore when I started relearning them

[south spindle]

Aye that pretty much says it all, it always goes to whomever first aggros it i beleive

[remote osprey]

I started with mk12 and played for long with it. But then one day I tried helbore mk1 and then mk2. And it "clicked".

[midnight mortar]

That it does.

[spark helm]

Like for damn near half a maelstrom run lmao

[south spindle]

It do be like that picking up a weapon you aint used for ages

[spark helm]

But it got better. Not like what I prefer for myself because I just like pushing my play because it's fun for me.

I like the stress of hellbore for sure.

[south spindle]

Pushing yourself is how to improve with anything tbh

Ingame an out

[spark helm]

Cathartic to whip around somewhere and just vvvTHONK

[remote osprey]

BTW, what's the thing with these two special bosses, making ambushes during the missions? Anything would happen if we kill him? Are we even allowed to?

[spark helm]

Hellbore snapshots are fun

[pine snow]

self improvement whats that

[livid fractal]

anything worth saving?

or just scrap

[tulip condor]

scrap

[south spindle]

You cant currently, its kinda implied we might get a duo fight somewhere down the line as this is supposedly a timed event

[tulip condor]

low dmg, low pen

[spark helm]

Oh yeah np. I'm just impatient with how long it's currently taking to get into a good flow with it.

Sometimes I really don't take the risk and stick to my melee weapon during a tight encounter for example.

[south spindle]

Lul.. what the fuck is this Fatshark?

[spark helm]

I definitely need to actually use the bayonet in melee because the draw speed is what's fucking me up the most before my own familiarity with the gun

[livid fractal]

this worth at all

or should i kee prolling

*keep

[south spindle]

Nah i feel you, it took a year of hating Boltgun before it clicked, the more demanding weapons deffo take some learning

[livid fractal]

for context

[south spindle]

an ye draw speed on Hellbore fuckin hurts man

[south spindle]

I would roll that for sure, ammo is a bit low, but nothing you cant deal with if you're a good shot/running survivalist

You could probably get better, but that might take hundreds of rolls, least it gives you one to use int meantime

[livid fractal]

dont have enough plasteel to go further but hows this for a start

[south spindle]

Its not great ima be honest, but depending on what second perk an blessing it it might be saved

5% crit chance isnt a dead perk tho

[pine snow]

anything worth keeping or scrap

[south spindle]

An you do typically wanna be critting a lot with Vraks, so if you get stuck with it, its no drama really

Falter on the other hand, is kinda shidd

[spark helm]

Like I'm a muh immersion as type of person fr. I like that the build up to the shot feels so nice.

Just damn dude can I get like a smaller, faster version with maybe a cut to range but not efficiency?

O-oh...Kantrael Mg la Infantry lasgun. Haiiii~

[south spindle]

Right hand one, get flak on there instad of crit, good to go

Fullbore is the big one for Agri

No Respite could replace DS if you got it

[alpine pebble]

boiz, on tha new revolver

surgical and crucian?

[south spindle]

Personally, Trickshooter/Crucian, but opinions on it are pretty diverse atm

So dont just take my word on that

[spark helm]

Huh

[south spindle]

Tried the MKIV since the buff?

Its actually pretty dope now

[spark helm]

Which one is that again?

[south spindle]

The rapid fire inf'las'

[livid fractal]

what blessings for stab shovel

[spark helm]

Oh really? I don't think I caught it in the patch. That thing is just fun

[livid fractal]

oh is the Kantrael IV good now?

[south spindle]

No idea whats optimal for that tbh

[livid fractal]

gotta say kant makes some of the best lasguns

[south spindle]

Ye its pretty decent, basically a recon that actually kills stuffs

[spark helm]

I. I'm gonna be this person too

I'm not mad.

I'd like recon to come up a bit

[south spindle]

Rolled this earlier, pretty surprised at how much punch (stab) it has

[spark helm]

That thing is just

[south spindle]

We all would mate

[spark helm]

Literally the funniest gun to me

Like this 40K shit be silly as fuck so much of the time

Some cursed dude that can rip your throat out with some nasty biomagic weapon pulls up and it's just

Fkdhdhsh dead.

It's just such a comically loud and angry gun

[junior needle]

The 1a technically has a bit better dps but the 4 isn't that far behind

900~ paper dps to 825~

[south spindle]

Ye

[junior needle]

About the same modifiers

[spark helm]

With how much I'm shooting shit I actually prefer the mk4 for denser crowds that I'm actually trying to thread through with specific targets.

[mellow bridge]

Okay. I changed my opinion on the superheavy las pistol its quite decent if you got the crit talent on it

[spark helm]

The la I have has been having my back for a while. I'll miss it dearly when I melt it down for a blessin

I might keep it

Just cuz

[mellow bridge]

I miss my right tree though

[south spindle]

If its a good roll, no sense in losing it tbh, can get a shit roll with same blessing offa Melk in time, a good roll is harder to come by all round imo

[spark helm]

I can't believe I said that about my baby. I did them so dirty just now. I feel awful.

I love my current la lasgun idc if it can't have some of the blessings I'd want.

[mystic belfry]

Idk like, mk 3 shovel is good, but I'm not liking the feel all that much

[south spindle]

Spam pokey lights seems to be pretty viable

You can unfold it proper rapid

Just loop that attack unless its trash

[mystic belfry]

Heavy deals more damage

[south spindle]

It does, but you really dont need to use it until you get up to Ragers

Them and anything bigger, heavies, anything smaller dies in one hit to light stab

[mystic belfry]

I mean, I guess, but I'd usually shoot gunners and whatnot first before I use it

[south spindle]

Ya ditto, but good for specialists if you're in close range, nerfs flamers instantly

[mystic belfry]

Folding out shovel runs into the problem that against enemy you want to light, my teammates already killed it, and now I'm just sitting here with my pick out awkwardly

[fleet garden]

dont like any of the new shovels, will try new chainaxe soon

[mystic belfry]

Like, with power sword, you never waste you charge unless the screen is empty

[south spindle]

Never want your pick out awkwardly

[fleet garden]

ps is good, hence everything else is subpar

[mystic belfry]

if you fold out your shovel and the thing you wanted to bonk is gone, you going to stab trash, or spend more time putting it back

[placid portal]

Shovel do be killin if done rigjt

[mystic belfry]

just eh

I'm talking pure feel right now, it's a good weapon

[marsh condor]

You can switch the shovel back and forth, no?

[south spindle]

Ye

[mystic belfry]

I did just say that, you can indeed :v

[placid portal]

I like doing matador against poxhounds with pick

Instant kill

[marsh condor]

So, question.

What's a good Blessing for the new Revolver?

[placid portal]

Crucian handcannon is fun

[marsh condor]

Okay.

[placid portal]

Evenw with nerfs handcannon is still good

[marsh condor]

In ze meanwhile, Imma get the new Laspistol.

[mellow bridge]

I never even had hand cannon on my revolver and I liked it

[marsh condor]

Mostly to cosplay as a Breacher/Grenadier.

[mystic belfry]

Hmm, well that works

[marsh condor]

I wonder if Dumdum works...

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[placid portal]

Does new laspistol make any BPs?

🤔

[royal monolith]

100% accuracy on Heresy. Still no Make Every Shot Count

I am in pain

[placid portal]

Rip

[south spindle]

Use a Shotgun

so long as you hit with one pellet, it counts as a hit

[placid portal]

Ghost hits dont count as hit yes?

[south spindle]

Pass, likely not

[tawdry hull]

is it still cheesable?

[south spindle]

Ghost hits are fuckin annoying given they fixed it completely in P-13 an then broke it with P-14 again immediately after

[mystic belfry]

It's a good like extra 60 damage per shot

[placid portal]

Sadge i feel so many ghost hits reccently

Hurts alot as helbor

[mystic belfry]

But just messing around with it in the psykanium

not sure I prefer the heavier pistol

[frank ledge]

I never got bb ghost hits before

Now I can get them if I precharge...

somehow

does anim, removes my charge

no damage

painful

[south spindle]

Jeez.. its one thing on a gun where often it can be compensated for by simply shooting again, quite another on brainbust when you have to wait for it to charge

[placid portal]

How'd it feel?

[frank ledge]

More reasons to play gun psyker

bb ghost? Shoot em

[south spindle]

As if there wasnt enough already

[placid portal]

Buff brain bust 😔

[mystic belfry]

Just a decent bit slower, and some more damage, but not crazily so

[placid portal]

Legit brain burst needs better buff

[south spindle]

Tbh kinda yeah at this point.. charge time should scale with the HP of the target

[mystic belfry]

On a side note, the power of damage stims

[placid portal]

20% rending and 15% dmg goes a long way

[south spindle]

Aye, someone mentioned earlier that it gives armour pen, which is pretty nuts

[mystic belfry]

Mhmm

[placid portal]

Ye was in patch notes

[south spindle]

Ahhh ok, i missed that bit

[placid portal]

It explained all the tid bits of stims

[south spindle]

Just tried on in Psyk on my BAG setup, i now have a way of dealing with Crushers, happy days

[placid portal]

15 sec duration for all of em

[thick kestrel]

yeah, the trick is beating the whole oppertunity cost gremlins in your head and being willing to use them... you always want to save them for the "next" fight

[frank ledge]

voidstrike on it's way to 1 shot 3 crushers with stimms:

[thick kestrel]

then you end up leaving the mission with them every time ^^

[placid portal]

Nah I take mine before leaving

[south spindle]

Usually i see em an use em within the first minute or so of having them

[placid portal]

Gotta get the mood up for a drink

[south spindle]

Don't want Rannick to catch you with em neither

[frank ledge]

Plasma on it's way to chunk a boss:

[placid portal]

Health stimm dou is really good

[south spindle]

It is really fucking good actually

[placid portal]

Health stim is basically medicae for vets

[frank ledge]

Idk the attack speed stim with psword hits hard

[south spindle]

If someone is looking a little woozy, juice that mofo up there an then

[frank ledge]

[south spindle]

Also its funny giving damage stim to a TH Zealot just as a boss turns up

[placid portal]

Peak danktide coop

[south spindle]

Legit tho

Gotta sort your teammates out when the situation demands it

[frank ledge]

Giving ogryn the damage stim when they have shovel

[placid portal]

Someones gotta mod in a voice line saying "TRAXIS 420 SIGHTED" for pinging stims

[mystic belfry]

But yeah, mk 3 seems solid. Would recommend trying it for function, but just not a huge fan of the feel of it

[frank ledge]

"Here boss, drugs!"

[placid portal]

Mk3 kinda lacking in hoarde

[mystic belfry]

light spam can do hordes alright I guess

[south spindle]

No need, i can do the Crusher one shot on Vet with new Shovel

[sharp ember]

yeah im leaning towards mk7

[placid portal]

Not enough stagger imo to be safe without propa movement

[frank ledge]

It chunks the melee twin

[south spindle]

Aye bet

[placid portal]

Really does

[frank ledge]

Like you see his hp and then suddenly half is gone

[placid portal]

God twins gotta be epic together

[south spindle]

Been dealing with that with parries so far just because its totally safe an you can tank it whilst the team deals with other threats

[placid portal]

[south spindle]

Yeah, thats gonna be a proper fight

[marsh condor]

Speaking of twins, or rather...something else.

[frank ledge]

Ogryn on his way to slap them onto the floor over and over:

[marsh condor]

Seems like we'll be getting a Special Assignment

[placid portal]

Pretty sure one of em is ranged focused

[south spindle]

Ye it is

[marsh condor]

Ronda, was it?

[south spindle]

Annoying in a tight space, otherwise much easier, same shot timings as Traitor Captains

[placid portal]

Got smoked by plasma 3 times

Blud rolled all +4 ballistics but I rolled all 6s for saves

[royal monolith]

I used a plasma gun

[south spindle]

Iron Will is goated if you eat a stray plasma

Just nukes your toughness, you dont get obliterated

[marsh condor]

How much Toughness Reduction can you have as a Veteran?

[placid portal]

I hated how one of the time a twin spawned behind a fence and pelted us with plasma

[maiden rampart]

Is camouflage or long range assassin better?

[placid portal]

Camo gives focus just by not moving assassin increases stacks ye?

[south spindle]

50% when over 75% toughness on Iron Will, plus another couple of 10% nodes, plus Exhil', which totals out at 30%.. a good bit all in

You dont really need much more than Iron Will though tbh for DR

[placid portal]

1x 10% 2x5% from nodes

[south spindle]

Aye myb

[placid portal]

No probs

[south spindle]

But yeah, only really need those if you're not specc'd Iron Will

[placid portal]

Kinda difficult to get all 3 tbh

[south spindle]

That alone will carry you so hard

Run it on my Brauto build an most games i've done with it im sub 200 damage taken

Fuck up occasionally, but yeah, its consistently useful

[frank ledge]

Public petition to change shooter twin to be officially named the karker

[south spindle]

Kinda fits

[placid portal]

Lol

[frank ledge]

the weeb and the karker

[south spindle]

Did one on Exsize Vault last night where the fucker spawned in that little bit after the inital atrium, was a pita with all the gas 'nades

[placid portal]

The devs calls plasma meta slaves karker

[near sable]

lord general drip

[placid portal]

Blud looks like stalin

[south spindle]

Thats one almighty mustache

[near sable]

lord general castor

my beloved

[sharp ember]

lord general freddie mercury

[south spindle]

https://youtu.be/tEs4O4d9L34?si=37qFIkQ56ZF3gdlC Dayum

[near sable]

surely vets could be given

[south spindle]

What is the Ogryn holding 👀

[near sable]

what is the inquisitorial stormtrooper holding

[south spindle]

Idk, but he probably cant hit shit with it

[near sable]

that's what the other six stormtroopers are for

[south spindle]

Well this doesnt seem right..

[placid portal]

Now I wonder how the guard can fare against stormtroopers

Grunts on Grunt action

[placid portal]

I agree people should not litter their latrine pants in the main hall

[marsh condor]

Which Stormtroopers?

[placid portal]

Ah

The ster wars

[marsh condor]

Well, just gonna say this.

Stormtroopers (Star Wars) are surprisingly tankier than Guardsmen, if relatively.

[placid portal]

Fair bc they do wear armor resistant las bolts

[median belfry]

stormtroopers are kind of elite units, aren't they?

[marsh condor]

Guardsmen have NUMBERS and their lasguns

[marsh condor]

Star Wars' Stormtroopers, not the 40k one.

[median belfry]

yeah

that's what I meant

[marsh condor]

They're...not.

[median belfry]

no?- guess I'm wrong then.

[marsh condor]

Well, unless you call the entirety of them an elite army.

If that's the case, then maybe they are.

There's also actual elite variants of them, like the Shadow Trooper.

[fast scaffold]

What an inauspicious day, a knife psyker, and a recon psyker

[median belfry]

like, stormtrooperw, they're not Tier 1 Delta Force operatives, but I find that they're a bit more top tier in comparison to rank and file guardsman

[fast scaffold]

Storm troopers in lore (Starwars) are not jobbers, they get memed hard though by media

[marsh condor]

The Rebels are the Guardsmen equivalents

And only the default Guardsmen

[median belfry]

yeah, this.

[marsh condor]

But their Lasguns...they're a little stronger, no?

[fast scaffold]

Lasguns are on par with solid bullet guns

[south spindle]

Hmm.. lads, i reckon Recon might actually be viable on a weapon swap setup

[fast scaffold]

Hellguns/Volley guns fire high AP rounds

[south spindle]

MKIII Shovel covers its weakness' substantially

[median belfry]

not sure, both SW as well as 40K lasguns are described to be very lethal, to the degree where they leave solid projectile small arms in the dust, but it's just that they're both in settings where they get dwarfed by ridiculous toughness of enemies or shit like lightsabers

[marsh condor]

With Lasguns, I heard that they do a pretty good job of breaking concrete or rockrete.

[fast scaffold]

Lasguns get scale maxxed for sure, If you get hit by one on the tabletop as a guard, its a 50/50 if it is a "lethal" wound before armor is considered. (Toughness 3 vs strength 3)

[marsh condor]

I mean destroy. Destroy concrete, when solid rounds break them.

[placid portal]

Rounds can sorta punchthrough

[marsh condor]

Lasguns can surely blow off a limb real good.

[brisk sedge]

guys

ive been workign rlly hard on a build

[median belfry]

also, I think that guardsman armor suffers from the same thing, they got incredible futuristic flak armor, but it does fuck-all against fully automatic hip fired .50 BMG of some ork flash gitz or a plasma gun

[placid portal]

Yea iirc it super heats whatever hits causing a mini explosion ye?

[brisk sedge]

is this viable?

[midnight mortar]

Flak has a reputation of not being all that good as armor.

[median belfry]

only if you're Cool Enough

[south spindle]

I wouldnt run a weap swap build with Hellbore mate, it takes a year to draw the thing

[fast scaffold]

Flak armor is designed against explosive damage more than anything, because if one guard gets shot, big whoop, but if an explosive goes out it's better to hedge your bets against AOE stuff (not ennumerated in the wargame, but the FFG rpgs give bonuses against explosion damage)

[placid portal]

Honestly I dunno what kind of armor flak is for 40k

[jade notch]

"Better than nothing", probably

[fast scaffold]

Carapace is what most guard "peak" at

[median belfry]

gotta have those lv 4 plates..

[fast scaffold]

And thats pretty rare

[placid portal]

Being a karkskin do be an honor

[placid portal]

Still dont wanna get shot even with that on

[jade notch]

Considering Flak can be made into stuff like cloaks and other kinds of "soft" armor/armored fabric

[fast scaffold]

Rare as in flak is created in boatloads where carapace is made in van loads

[median belfry]

I mean, if I was gonna get shot, I'd prefer it hit me in the lv 4 plates

[placid portal]

Guess you can say you can live to complain about it

[junior needle]

As I understand, the future materials the armor is made of also has to contend with the future materials/technology of future weapons, and that's why it's less impressive.

[median belfry]

yeah. basically what I'm aiming for.

[south spindle]

.50BMG? Fuck no, Orkz use like 20mils

The Boiz got thier shit on lock

[gusty bison]

Big dakka

[junior needle]

Carapace is the good shit since that's often made out of ceramite

[median belfry]

real flash gitz use .22 lr, the Deadliest Round in the Universe

[fast scaffold]

green tips baby!

[gusty bison]

Green? Pfft

White is where its at

[fast scaffold]

Green is the strongest

[gusty bison]

Also red tips go faster

[fast scaffold]

AND the biggest

AND the bestest

[south spindle]

Oi.. what if i told you i might have almost crafted an Auric viable Recon build 😏

[gusty bison]

I mean

Its auric viable with difficulty

XD

But yes its viable

[whole moon]

Shes got that Aliens-Ripley vibe going on now

[junior needle]

Technically everything is auric viable depending on your standards, you can beat hi5 stg with your starter gear if your team pulls enough weight to carry you.

[south spindle]

Nah i mean this might actually be good

MKIII Shovel covers the things the Recon can't, an really fuckin well to boot

[junior needle]

An important question to ask

Would the same or very similar setup be substantially better if you used a different weapon

[south spindle]

Pass, idk yet, not got it all together

[small echo]

Perks and blessings?

[gusty bison]

Fair

Recon isnt shabby at ranged clear

[junior needle]

Yeesh, unfortunate roll. Also you can take a screenshot in steam and also with windows natively

Uh, dumdum and flak/maniac are priorities last I checked for autoguns

[small echo]

I know, but whenever I do that, my game crashes

I like off meta stuff

[junior needle]

Very strange, even f12 on steam?

[small echo]

Yes

[junior needle]

That's very unusual, do you play on fullscreen mode?

[small echo]

Yes

[junior needle]

Try windowed fullscreen

See if it does it

You might have some kind of driver issue or game corruption

[small echo]

Ok

[junior needle]

Update your graphics drivers too

[south spindle]

Nah, its only major downside are Maniacs, and with the attack speed buffs from Weap'Spec' you can comfortably fight a Rager pack in melee with MKIII, it deletes Crushers, so no need to worry about those, which frees up grenade slot for Shredders to cover the somewhat weaker horde clear of the melee, Infernus on the Lasgun for boss DPS... there is a lot of synergy on the table here

[junior needle]

2 and 6d also have shit modifiers to unyielding

[topaz salmon]

Hey, I just got lvl30 playing the squad leader build. How do I approach getting weapons now? I stockpiled a little gold and a lot of the weekly currency. Any guides u know for starting damnation as vet appreciated! Ty

[median belfry]

designed to execute retreating guardsmen

[whole moon]

what were your favourite weapons while levelling?

[south spindle]

I have Unyeliding perk on said Recon currently, its more to stack DoT than do direct damage, that can be done in melee with the Shovel, the DoT stack is just for a supplement

[inner canopy]

tbh i was wondering what blessings to get as i'm perfectly content with the perks

[topaz salmon]

I liked most but I would love to have like a sniper for elites.

[south spindle]

I did think about trying the 7, but im not sold on it doing the other stuffs as well as 6

[safe drum]

Melk offer, quite good if i say so myself

[brisk sedge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aca5b1d-812e-4c45-b7db-034fdddefc44/epic-sniper-build

thoughts?

[whole moon]

at this stage I would recommend getting a good set of stuff you like and works for you, you can experiment once you have some 'earning' gear

[south spindle]

Also, Headhunter for crits for Psuedo-rending helps decently well vs bigger targets

[median belfry]

weapons:

• higher difficulty yields better emp rewards
• melk guns sometimes have good blessings on them
• pray, and watch hadron dumpster your favorite guns until you grow numb to it

damnation check:
focus on your movement techs and being entirely self-sufficient with your kit

[topaz salmon]

And so I wait for the shop deals or get what looks nice at the weekly vendor and just roll what is good? I was hoping to get a headstart for a good weapon because of the currency I saved while leveling.

[inner canopy]

What you get is fully random unfortunately

[whole moon]

thats the discount way to do it and you should keep some mats aside for that. I'm just trying to work out what playstyle has been working for you up til now so we can better advise on what to look at for some decent kit to get u thru damnation

[inner canopy]

You can Try to raise a grey up from nothing but that's just as luck dependant.

[whole moon]

for instance, for horde clear I love my powersword but its a shit weapon to make a start with, it will drain ALL your funds trying to get a half decent one, the original chainsword tho is a much easier build and almost as good

[topaz salmon]

Makes a lot of sense. Let's say I want the boltgun and chainsaw sword for starters. Can I target farm those¿

[junior needle]

Double rending setups are more homogenized damage wise, so unyielding isn't a bad choice, although you will probably get more mileage out of flak or maniac in that case as you'll be hitting them much more often. But another big issue with the guns is they are just not good on a baseline numbers basis even if you account for poor modifiers with rending.

Here's a good example I made using someone elses build who was advocating for recons being good now. Exact same setup, exact same testing method, 1200~ dps difference. The columnus only has t3 dumdum and a nonfactor second blessing too.

[topaz salmon]

Is it more efficient to try to roll a grey or shop a blue of purple and add?

[sleek cairn]

are u still using columnus as your daily driver

[untold flame]

Shop is more efficient sure but its also even more rng

[junior needle]

I never used it as my "daily driver", dun like the recoil. I'm playing ogryn until recons become good or volley gun gets added.

[sleek cairn]

damn, i see

[junior needle]

Which is a shame because that gun is very well rolled

[whole moon]

This is mine, as you can see not perfect by any means but will do the job just fine. Bolters have changed a lot since I made mine and I never kept up. Ive been mainly using the Columnus IAG due to it being a pretty OP weapon right now, for single target work on ranged you also have Plasma and Revolver options if any of that interests you

[untold flame]

If I want a wep I buy a bunch of greys and roll the highest statted ones to blue or so, if the blessing/perk is decent I keep going to purp/orange

[topaz salmon]

Plasma gun was really nice but felt so clunky to play. I got staggered a lot when trying to aim down at ranged.

[untold flame]

You're not gonna love bolter then

[sleek cairn]

pro tip, u can peek or just straight up shoot through the walls

[whole moon]

yeah, general advice is to use the the LMB attacks almost exclusively

[sleek cairn]

Plasma has the ability to shoot through walls so.. use it.

go back behind the door, stare at ur marked enemy. LMB lol

im full degen tho

[whole moon]

but, dont feel obliged to use it, if you dont like it, dont waste your time just yet

[topaz salmon]

Cool tips, Ty guys

[sleek cairn]

seriously i just use plasma when i dont want to aim anymore lol

i've tested what i can shoot through pretty extensively

even those Statues of people u see, u can shoot through it

[whole moon]

This is my current plasma, well above average in terms of build but I think my perks are a little scuffed for perfect

[sleek cairn]

@whole moon do u ever find urself defaulting back to revolver

they sort of go for the same niche

[whole moon]

Ive got a shovel/revolver build on the Vet and a Zealot w a revolver, I was just getting into em before the last patch and the rending nerf. Havent tried in new patch. I did tend to prefer the revolver tho

[sleek cairn]

i cant seem to decide whether i like revolver or plasma more sometimes its a hard call lol

but im wep specialist so

[nimble sentinel]

Hadron made the choice for me, good plasma and shite revolvers

[whole moon]

I want to try the new revolver w its fanning fire but my list of wants right now is pretty long and my resources are pretty low haha

[sleek cairn]

for you middle keystone runners, do u guys take all the points after

[stone birch]

its hard to notice the nerf, to be honest.

[junior needle]

Excellent timing

[nimble sentinel]

if you have the points yes, most important are left for teamplay, middle for big damage, and right for stamina (meh if all you're doing is shooting)

[sleek cairn]

lol my revolver went from 2 shotting crushers to 2 shotting crushers. i dont notice the nerf

my breakpoints werent affected

[stone birch]

^

[whole moon]

Ive heard from one of the playtesters that in their opinion its still an OP weapon so I wasnt that concerned.

[placid portal]

Lol

My poiny

[stone birch]

yeah, still absurdly good. Won't be replaced by the magdump revolver.

[sleek cairn]

im more curious about plasma breakpoints and middle keystone ppl

[placid portal]

Even if it didnt 2 shot crushers it still one shots majority of specials and gunners

[sleek cairn]

specifically asking @whole moon

[placid portal]

The yeehaw cannon is a fun sidegrade

[whole moon]

I managed to kill like 7 shotgunners with 2 rounds thanks to the pen on it. If it does anywhere close to that still I'll be a happy vet

[nimble sentinel]

hello I'm the build guy. Recon can work, not because the gun got better but because the tree did. It's still very meh and needs help but it's not useless in the right hands. Most hands however...

[placid portal]

Got 3 shotgunners with 1 shot feels good

[noble zinc]

Considering plasma exists I'm fine with revolver being strong

[flint garden]

even with the nerf hc iv revolver still has 100% cara dmg on crit right

[placid portal]

Love how shotgunners tend to line up into congaline so easily

[nimble sentinel]

listen to Soldier though, their math checks out

[placid portal]

Yee

[whole moon]

I'm an Ogryn main to be honest, Vet is what I'm working on right now cos I struggle not to die on damnations lol. Guardsman, Grawr and Leidig Leis are all well versed in all things Vet tho

[sleek cairn]

i know they are, i was just asking for ppl who run plasma on middle keystone. i dont do it much so im not the best to reflect

[whole moon]

I can recite their advice almost verbatim, at least the stuff I remember 🙂

[noble zinc]

Running shout and melee weapon spec seriously increases your survivability

[sleek cairn]

Im a filthy revolver vet who always goes deep right tree

[placid portal]

Every 4% dmg stack is 40 damage for fullcharge and 20 damage for light shots

[placid portal]

Nuthin wrong with that

[sleek cairn]

i should just ask @placid portal

[noble zinc]

High noon

[sleek cairn]

hey nothing's wrong with it, i just wanted to try out mid keystone with plasma but not sure what u guys sacrificed

[placid portal]

Now do a Neil Cicerga Wow edit for darktide bc new revolver is space cowboy edition

[sleek cairn]

since mid keystone has good points after. Weapon specialist is like.. who cares

i just take wep specialist n ignore most points after lol

[noble zinc]

Yeah the weapon spec stuff is sad

[sleek cairn]

saves me a lot

[placid portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1087076434117394471/1088670547719753901/image0.gif

[noble zinc]

Like who cares about stamina when dodge slide funny.

[gusty bison]

Wep spec helbore?

[sleek cairn]

but this right here? im figuring out if all 3 are necessary

getting a feel for it

[noble zinc]

Only really need the main one

[gusty bison]

All 3 are nice

[placid portal]

🤨

[gusty bison]

But not needed

[sleek cairn]

hard call grawr

[noble zinc]

The main one is 90% of the powrr of tag

[karmic musk]

I kinda skip Focused Fire if I lack points

[gusty bison]

My thot exactly

[nimble sentinel]

you can drop the stam on the right, it's nice to have the other two but you should have at least one

[karmic musk]

Isnt Stam/Tough better than Damage here

[placid portal]

Lmao only useful if you want that 20 % stamina on melee swap

[placid portal]

Pretty much

[sleek cairn]

im confused what are u saying

[placid portal]

Just 12% on full stacks

[sleek cairn]

this is middle keystone?

dmg is on right

[nimble sentinel]

YOU don't need stamina, just your teammates. Everyone needs damage and toughness though

oh is it?

[sleek cairn]

yeah

i understand your logic

i meant the positioning

lol

[nimble sentinel]

oh, ignore me I'm not caffeinated yet

[sleek cairn]

its also tricky because the nodes PRIOR to the mid keystone are juicy too

[nimble sentinel]

look I may be stupid,

[sleek cairn]

so i guess i should've talked about all 7 of these nodes

they're all 1 point apart

[placid portal]

Im deadshot addict I NEED IT

[brisk sedge]

powerful right

[sleek cairn]

each one pretty damn good for a single point

right tree i dont even need to guess

mid tree, im sweating

[noble zinc]

Giving your teammates toughness is overrated with how many ways people have to gain toughness. The only time I'd value it is if you aren't running shout.

[placid portal]

Spend 2.5s swapping weapon for 2.5s of crit and dmg

[sleek cairn]

hmm, u are right

[left zealot]

What weapon loadouts are you guys running these days?

[gusty bison]

Helbore is... one of the few gun that doesnt like wep spec

[trim hemlock]

See, there's choices now :P

I personally wouldn't pick the stamina/toughness upgrade, unless I wanted to support my team with extra padding, but most often it's not needed.

[placid portal]

It's for yourself

[jovial nexus]

What's the difference between the chain sword and chain axe now?

[placid portal]

Others gaining toughness is just a side benefit

[noble zinc]

Exhilitating takedown shouls be most of the toughness you need.

[sleek cairn]

@placid portal i can see even this chat has issues deciding between the 7 nodes here lol

[gusty bison]

Imagine not having everyone at 100% tou always

[nimble sentinel]

rewording myself:
You should be tagging anyway, base gives a nice damage boost to the whole team. Other bonuses are nice if you can afford them, up to you how selfish you wanna be with it

[brisk sedge]

agree to disagree

[sleek cairn]

it's a freakin tough choice, mid tree

[nimble sentinel]

being selfish is also okay just look at all the loner dagger zealots

[brisk sedge]

i think it's supa powerful

[placid portal]

How so

[sleek cairn]

im sure u take toughness for yourself tho

i think the stamina is more worthy than the toughness lol

[placid portal]

Exactly I care for myself

[gusty bison]

I like making the psyker tou ping pong

[noble zinc]

I wish they'd make the weapon spec ranged hits charges instead of duration based. But like 5 charges with the same max effectiveness

[sleek cairn]

haha

i think the 5 -> 8 stacks node is the first to be questioned

[gusty bison]

But ye i have a team tou regen plasmabuild

Its mega funny

[placid portal]

Bc they nerfed confirm kill I need that toughness on elite kill

[sleek cairn]

how many quiet periods let my stacks go to 8?

[noble zinc]

It feels more like a melee boost for most of the time since many ranged weapons don't fire fast enough to make the 5s worth.

[gusty bison]

The big one is it stacks redirect fire

[noble zinc]

It's still an amazing melee boost tho. Incredibly strong.

[placid portal]

Quite often

[sleek cairn]

ah frick, redirect fire doesnt drop as long as u kill a single marked enemy

i forgot.

u guys arent making it easier

[gusty bison]

So redirect goes from +20 to +32

[placid portal]

Also stacks build up fasr

2s per stack really fast

[sleek cairn]

you were suppose to make it easier for me to choose

im guessing these stacks can really change breakpoints too

[placid portal]

Ye for big damage

Like my beloved Lucius

[gusty bison]

32% is a lot

[placid portal]

Tru

[sleek cairn]

alright i'll try this out with a plasma

[placid portal]

32% means you can 1 tap dreg gunners

[sleek cairn]

need to wipe the grime off my revolver anyway, the thing is limp and tired

[whole moon]

No one wants a limp revolver

[nimble sentinel]

just like my dim perspective on the cost of living crisis

[south spindle]

I am aware, trying my own take on it

[sleek cairn]

oh wow i forgot what it was like to never aim

plasma's fun.

might try shooting some toes to get headshots

[sturdy idol]

Just got Power Cycler 4 from a random weapon drop after a maelstrom

The Emperor provides

[fickle spire]

Y'all like contributing unconventionally? Fun thing I've been running to spice up gameplay https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aca6474-e0a5-45de-b4a0-34aea6e91f4a/the-cadian-crackhead?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[nimble sentinel]

what an interesting image you chose for this build, I wonder what the full sauce looks like

[safe drum]

engage Directive 34

[warm idol]

I recognize that artist

[karmic musk]

ah yes out of memory error during mission end cutscene

[fickle spire]

I reasonably need more redheads with that haricut mostly because nothing encompasses that level of crazy

[warm idol]

do you not get rewards if you get dc'ed during the final cutscene?

[karmic musk]

no idea

[whole moon]

Nope

[karmic musk]

got the emperor's gift so maybe

[whole moon]

Oh then maybe

[sleek cairn]

Marking enemies has never been so loud. nice

[karmic musk]

in other news, chainaxe is pretty good with zealot martyrdom

Not sure its worth it on Vet tho, you kinda take a lot of damage using it

[marsh condor]

Just a cosmetic thing - does the Kantrael Heavy Pistol use two-hand while ADS?

[nimble sentinel]

nope

[sleek cairn]

oh no, trash gun

[marsh condor]

I noticed a Psyker using it two-handed.

[nimble sentinel]

psyker has baby arms that can't handle the recoil of a flashlight

[marsh condor]

Doesn't apply to the Accatran one.

[mellow adder]

This is the build I created for my Precise Revolver & Shotgun sniper, I don't use the keystones since I'm constantly on the move and generally feel pretty strong with my sniping. Should I take the keystones?

[nimble sentinel]

I'm not the biggest fan on vet, perhaps on zealot tho

if you're investing enough points to make it work you might as well take a full sized las rifle, if not the revolver is gonna go farther

[untold mulch]

Ayo wtf

[karmic musk]

Laspistol X is basically just a more mobile MG 1a with less ammo

And better hipfire I presume

[untold mulch]

Man I would pay for a node to help with hipfire

or a blessing

[karmic musk]

Would make braced auto better at least