veteran-class

[weary acorn]

which of the recon lasguns is prefered?

[snow pendant]

every 1st ads shot i take with bolter always feels like a scam

[mystic escarp]

Lasgun MKIV with autofire

[sharp ember]

mk6 for onslaught rending
mk7 acceptable if not using onslaught

[weary acorn]

is autofire a blessing?

[analog blaze]

In a way

[south spindle]

So long as you're accurate, everything dies

[mystic escarp]

Technically it is not

[weary acorn]

i'm a little lost then, new to lasguns, elaborate?

[sharp ember]

modding, they're saying recons are so shit that you should use an entirely different class of weapon

[weary acorn]

I see

[mystic escarp]

^this

[snow pendant]

so this is a headshot bolter

[sharp ember]

but if you HAD TO use a recon, mk6 or mk7 are better than mk2

[south spindle]

To stack up yes, then after you've got stacks it really dont matter, an the headshots are most only required for bigger targets

[mystic escarp]

Gotta be pain in the ass building those marksman’s focus stacks
One shorting stuff with or without stacks?

[native citrus]

mk3 crunching mutants is....satisfying

[south spindle]

Mostly without, bigger the thing, the more stacks you want

[fresh saddle]

anything to change?

[snow pendant]

yeah exactly what i was thinking

[weary acorn]

I'm just trying to find a gun that I enjoy using and handles most hordes and elites

[south spindle]

For example, one shot, no stacks

[neon briar]

with marksmans focus and the finesse buffs i would argue bolter is actually as strong on a per-shot basis as it ever was. it's only below-meta because of the loss of instant reload ults and also because you need to ads for surgical/headshots so magdumping is pretty weak now

[south spindle]

All you need is crit for Gunners, which you get via simply letting the recoil reset, because it stacks enough Surgical to kill

[crimson wyvern]

Please breakdown the advantages of the torchlight for me please

[weary acorn]

i've tried plasma, the shotguns, some of the las guns

[mystic escarp]

Was that body?

[south spindle]

Yep

Just a crit

[snow pendant]

weapon customization mod

[mystic escarp]

You can annoy funny demon girls to ruin your run

[mystic escarp]

What?

[analog blaze]

Laspistol

[weary acorn]

which one?

[snow pendant]

thought u were asking the bolter receiver design

[mystic escarp]

I want to show mine but damn I’m almost sleeping at this point
Looks decent tho might try it with mine

[snow pendant]

how that does against the ragers ?

[south spindle]

Bigger breakpoints

[south spindle]

One shot headshot

[whole moon]

How are ppl finding the new laspistol, how would you describe it using the other as a reference?

[south spindle]

Literally everything up to Crusher an Mutie are one shots, two on Bulwark if you count needing to open shield

[analog blaze]

I can't speak to what's better but I'm liking the slower one (X?). It kills all mobs in one head shot and elites go down quick. The other one is faster which is better for burning.

[mystic escarp]

Also funny thing I had achieved one body shot maulers without exe stance with agri shotgun

[weary acorn]

I'll give it a shot

[south spindle]

Niice, Agri' slaps, been debating doing a build with that with the new tree too

[analog blaze]

I like that it kills all non elites with a head shot. I'm not sure if the burn blessing is still best with it given the RoF and high damage.

[south spindle]

Ideally you dont magdump it, but yeah, Boltgun has a necessary skill floor to it now, its not pick up and delete like old Boltgun/Plasma

[toxic leaf]

@half ginkgo just did auric histg metalfab 36 with the bolter build you provided

i felt i was successful in most things other than picking off ranged threats in a panic like i can with a plasma gun

if they just made the bolter ready time better...

[mystic escarp]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa01a83-b37d-43de-9509-000bd4c23885/pswordbased-and-agripilled

That’s mine

[half ginkgo]

hence why i am trying to roll surgical instead for bit more consistency with it

[serene sage]

That's the thing, don't panic
Make sure you have your towel handy

[snow pendant]

u would still magdump if crushers or ragers charge you

[analog blaze]

You don't love waiting 5 minutes to pull out your gun?

[toxic leaf]

there was a vet on the team with the single shot headhunter, so it mostly a non issue, he knew his job

[south spindle]

No, i wouldnt, i would either swap to melee, or blow thier heads off

[snow pendant]

by the time the bolter is ready to fire the dinosaurs died out

[neon briar]

yep it's more like a sniper rifle now, you are rewarded for hitting heads and taking time to line up your shot (for surgical stacks and maybe marksman focus stacks)

i do miss magdumping it though

[analog blaze]

Some say the emperor was handily beating horus but then tried to pull out a bolter to finish the job.

[neon briar]

magdumping a bolter was pure dopamine

[half ginkgo]

if you have a big gun its ok to flaunt it around, am i right?

[neon briar]

when you see the kill feed light up

[south spindle]

Yep, p'much, massive payoff for good plays, highly rewards accuracy. Its a DMR now, an it feels exactly how it should

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/blasphemy-lies-gif-21274018

[snow pendant]

i just find it dumb in a way that a default capability like magdump are now a detriment to using it

[wary galleon]

Hadron seeing this

[toxic leaf]

dude it still is, there was one moment when there was 6 crushers and maulers coming at us in the that shower room in metalfab

and i just started magdumping

and boy was it glorious

the sound fx is pure joy

[snow pendant]

then horus shanked him like a prisoner scuffle

[neon briar]

doesnt it take like 6 bodyshots to kill a crusher?

[toxic leaf]

staggering though

[whole moon]

I can't use the nod emoji but I would have 😉

[wary galleon]

i always forget just how much humongous ammo it has.
its such a rambo gun

[south spindle]

Ye decent, looks good

[south spindle]

Or you can just two shot headshot them

Which is much more ammo efficient

[toxic leaf]

i think he was commenting on my magdumping

because it was panic mode

it worked, the stagger is really helpful

[south spindle]

If stuff pushes you to that degree, reposition

[neon briar]

yeah thats what i do ideally, was just responding to someone who mentioned magdumping 6 crushers and maulers

but yeah the stagger

[south spindle]

Dont spunk ammo into shit unless you absolutely have no choice

[neon briar]

will help a lot even if it doesnt kill

[toxic leaf]

it was a no choice situation, we were caught with our pants down

in that shower/locker room in metalfab

[neon briar]

yeah i getya

in that scenario its needed

[south spindle]

Ye thats fair then

Thats a pretty shit room

[pine snow]

fixeable or trash? i dont know what i want on these

[toxic leaf]

other than that, yea ads was doing the job. i need to find surgical

is deadshot worth it for bolter

[neon briar]

i like deadshot

[toxic leaf]

and what matters most is that boltgun feels so much more satisfying than plasma

[snow pendant]

basically the bolter is competing against helbore to be the sniper

[neon briar]

but it's not needed with srugical technically

[pine snow]

you take that back

[neon briar]

just need to wait longer

[snow pendant]

with bolter dont have the need to charge shots

while helbore have very useful bayonet

[toxic leaf]

what about hte single shot headhunter...7? i think

[neon briar]

i think deadshot is pretty nice on bolter though, the sway reduction really helps

[leaden musk]

Looks like something from fallout

[toxic leaf]

ill try it

[neon briar]

and duck n dive reduces the negative a lot

but there will be occasions when you enter a melee fight with zero stamina, or times when youre fighting a horde and need to pick off a few snipers and return to the fray with no stamina

[toxic leaf]

yea tahts brutal

[south spindle]

It works if thats the issue you have with it, however, by letting the recoil fully reset before pulling the trigger again, you'll have more Surgical stacks which guarantees more instant kills, so although you have to be a bit more methodical, you'll profit for longer than you will with Deadshot, which also saves points, an lets you spend them elsewhere

[toxic leaf]

i need to find surgical is the thing

[south spindle]

Basically its a DMR now yeah

[toxic leaf]

ive spent a lot of plasteel and cant even get surgical 3 lol

...unless its t4 only?

someone tell me now

[south spindle]

Nah, it has 4 tiers

[tall torrent]

Bolter vs Helbore for a sniper role is fine if bolter has a more useful bash / faster draw speed

[toxic leaf]

ok good

[south spindle]

Which it does

[ancient stirrup]

should i put carapace or flak damage on this

[whole moon]

Worth getting the Reveal_Blessings mod so you can see what can be loaded onto your kit

[south spindle]

Hellbore has the longest draw speed in the game

Not by much, but yeah

[tall torrent]

Helbore can bayonet stuff to keep the gun up

[toxic leaf]

ok isntead of spending plasteel, im gonna wait 12 minutes and melk is gonna sell me a bolter with surgical 4, right

[serene sage]

Can Bolter bash stagger poxbusters?

How about dogs?

[south spindle]

It can, but thats not really a huge bonus in actual gameplay i find, though i dont use the bayonet really at all

[south spindle]

Both,, which ofc means you dont gotta drop exe' to deal with em

[serene sage]

Nice

I need to unlearn my muscle memory

[tall torrent]

It’s a pretty huge bonus imo because u can kill loads of things with the bayonet

[robust mirage]

😦 too much diamantine

[serene sage]

Hehe poor

[toxic leaf]

ur poor, wheres ur money

[south spindle]

Sure, but you can kill em by shooting them with Boltgun

[serene sage]

Dude simped for Hadron too much

[south spindle]

An ideally you dont wanna be charging headlong into a rager pack with a bayonet, because you'll get rolled

[robust mirage]

i spend all my money on guns and sword to get good base stats

[serene sage]

Well, did you?

[flat pebble]

if you play it like the rapier+pistol from VT but the ranged attack is just a real weapon it’s great imo

[serene sage]

Very based ngl

[serene sage]

Based x2

[robust mirage]

and i bought all of the new variants to try them out as well 🙃

[flat pebble]

this is actually totally untrue, mk1/2 bayonet hard counters rager packs

[unborn ridge]

how do u kill the new fking bosses

they run away

[flat pebble]

the spam is insane, the damage excellent, and headshots stagger

[south spindle]

Sure it has its merits, wont dispute that for a second, but they're not enough of a benifit to make it outright better than Boltgun, they both have their seperate niche, outside of both being DMR style weapons

[half ginkgo]

brick

[south spindle]

You dont, you get em to like 30% an they leave

[south spindle]

Not like blowing thier heads off does

[robust mirage]

you chase them away you dont kill them
meaning we will probably kill them later on as bosses

[serene sage]

Bolter can play bodyshot as well

[flat pebble]

yeah i wouldn’t even really bother comparing them

[serene sage]

Helbore can't

[flat pebble]

sure but that’s a totally different argument no?

[whole moon]

I wish you could get em to 0 and they fell but teleported out. Teleport beacons are a thing and at least we'd feel a bit better (I would)

[south spindle]

Im sure you could get it to the point where it could, but yeah, Boltgun deffo does that better

[south spindle]

Well not really, because one of these things is inherently less risky than the other

[flat pebble]

also with the helbore bayonet spam deals with rager packs better than its ranged attacks, the bayonet is exceptionally potent rn even after they patched the limbsplitter cheese

[flat pebble]

i don’t think attacking ragers with the bayonet is risky at all

[south spindle]

Well it is, because if you catch a loose swing, you're eating a fuckload of damage

[flat pebble]

unironically the degree to which is counters them is insane

[serene sage]

Is Hadron stupid, she keeps asking us to scan the same places in Hab Dreyko and it's always the fucking tree

[half ginkgo]

i legit think that 4 vet maestrom bayonet only pug is doable

[serene sage]

Why can't we just go to the tree first

[half ginkgo]

bayonet is that good

[tall torrent]

It’s really not as risky as you think

[flat pebble]

the bayonet spam is insane, even if you miss two out of three stabs as long as you hit heads they’re stunlocked

[south spindle]

I've watched Vets play the Bayonet cheese in pugs before it was nerfed an it was fine for them right up until it wasnt

[snow pendant]

i see hab dreyko i leave , the scanning part is too much of a pain with how easy they funnel mobs in

[flat pebble]

and if you’re missing 2/3 bayonet stabs don’t use the bayonet it’s not for you

[tall torrent]

Watching someone else use it and yourself learning how to do it is different imo

You will get screwed if you’re bayonet spamming while surrounded by ragers

[flat pebble]

im just saying i have a bunch of experience with the bayonet and you’re saying you don’t, im telling you how the bayonet experience is from a first person perspective and with practice

[tall torrent]

Your goal is to not get surrounded in the first place

[snow pendant]

the fact that range and stagger it has lets u just bully ragers

[south spindle]

Sure, as with any situation, i just dont see value in putting yourself in an inherently dangerous situation when you can solve the same problem with much better means

[snow pendant]

and bullwarks

[unborn ridge]

i thought u had to burst them down, someone said in the chat maybe troll

[flat pebble]

im just saying you won’t get rolled man

it’s what you said

[south spindle]

Yea they're trolling, you might be able to get past the 30% HP threshold if you have a really high damage team, but you wont get a kill on them

They're not particularly challenging at the minute anyway, when we have the potential duo fight however, that might change

[snow pendant]

i just bully them with dclaw its so easy

[south spindle]

Yeah thats what im doing aswell, melee one can bascially solo hitless with Catachan

[south spindle]

Fair enough

[flat pebble]

it’s insane, i took on three packs of ten ragers back to back in the first objective location on the second most recently added map (the one that’s basically a cage fight in that square room) and they stood no chance

you just have to respect your flanks are way more vulnerable with the bayonet

[tall torrent]

Bolter’s main benefits over helbore is that you have way better bodyshots and you can stagger & cleave basically every enemy in the game (especially against bulwark formations)

Helbore has a very strong bayonet move that allows u to keep the gun out for reactionary shooting so the slow draw is nowhere on the same lvl as bolter

As long as you’re not surrounded by enemies, bayonet is fine for every enemy except mauler & crusher

[south spindle]

Well the draw time is longer, you just have to deal with it less

[flat pebble]

rip the mk3 bayonet attack though

we were so close to perfection

[tall torrent]

Mk3 helbore vs bolter is a much closer match-up and I think that’s fair

[south spindle]

Boltgun is all about being methodical with its use, an that extends to knowing when to or not to pull it out

[tall torrent]

Cuz mk3 bayonet is basically unusable

Stupidly long wind-up for no return

[snow pendant]

u can easily hit 2 or 3 of them in a line

[south spindle]

That implies that the Boltgun wallop is unusable, which no, its really not

[flat pebble]

god i love the bayonet

[tall torrent]

Mk1 and mk2 bayonet u can fight 12 ragers at the same time is fine

[tall torrent]

Boltgun bash has good stagger for niche situations

[flat pebble]

i think the implication is when you take the bayonet away the comparison becomes more 1:1

[snow pendant]

fuck that mk3 bayonet is utterly garbargio

[tall torrent]

Mk3 helbore bayonet is just plain horrible

[flat pebble]

the swing takes a long time and the knowledge of what the bayonet attack pattern could be makes it worse

[south spindle]

I would say closer to one to one including the Bayonet, because Hellbores either have windup to reach decent shot speed due to Onslaught, or they're straight up appaulingly long to fire

[snow pendant]

even face to face u can still miss the headshot with the mk3 bayonet cuz enemy head sways

[flat pebble]

idk i think the tempo of the mk1/2 are ok for the charge shot

it’s not exactly my favorite part about it by any stretch

[south spindle]

They're OK, but they're still a charge weapon

MKIII is fucking abysmal without Onslaught tho

[flat pebble]

yeah you can’t not use it on the mk3

[snow pendant]

problem with charge weapon is killing moving targets on demand

[flat pebble]

but the way things are now most of the time people aren’t even really considering the mk3 in helbore discussions

because no one uses it except crab

[snow pendant]

even with onslaught is shite , the first charge is always takes a century

[south spindle]

Its not great at the moment for sure

I like the III with all stacks of Onslaught, but getting there is a tirade

[snow pendant]

even the charged power isnt impressive if u dont geta crit shot

its because of the crit from surgical that it has that power to compete in terms of shooting dmg

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is like the one helbore that needs a good bayonet move the most because it’s the worst for reactionary shooting but it somehow gets the worst

[south spindle]

Well, yes an no, it benifits from Surgical as much as Boltgun does in that respect

[flat pebble]

i can only assume it was intentional which makes it suck more because it means we wouldn’t get a change to it

[snow pendant]

i swear no one in fatshark likes that weapon but maybe the designer themselves which is stupid

[flat pebble]

it seems like making you really sit with the balance trade off of high damage low handling on the mk3

[snow pendant]

doesnt benefit as much unless is a charged shot

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is also really unfun without shock trooper

[flat pebble]

reload?

[tall torrent]

The other 2 helbores without shock trooper is fine (especially mk2)

Mk3 without shock trooper is just way less fun

[snow pendant]

tbf the maxed charge shot isnt really high not even close to plasma shots

[flat pebble]

you can run mk1 or mk2 with survivalist and never need to pick up ammo once

[frank ether]

there are like 1 and a half people using it and I'm one of them

[flat pebble]

yeah i’m not sure i’m convinced by the balancing decisions either i’m just saying i think that was the intention

[flat pebble]

why are you calling crab half a person

[south spindle]

Sure, but it oneshot headshots all minor shooter enemies, so you dont really need the crit there at all

[muted knot]

I'm the 0.5 cause I don't have a mk1 or mk 2

[frank ether]

he needs to step on another crab to fill a coat

[flat pebble]

true, true

[snow pendant]

without weapon cust mods i wont even bother that iron sight is also absolutely shite

[frank ether]

I'm kinda like

fine with where mk3 is tho

because I know it wont be getting nerfed

its too bizarre for most people to use

and its good for me

[tall torrent]

Helbore in general is not that popular with most players

[frank ether]

that is okay

not every gun has to be giga popular

[flat pebble]

i would use it mk3 in a heartbeat with the good bayonet moveset

[muted knot]

Hellbore was meta a while ago wasn't it ?

[frank ether]

balancing around popularity rates can sometimes be a trap

[flat pebble]

ehhhhhhh

[snow pendant]

lets be honest a charge gun in a horde shooter and doesnt penetrate like the plasma can nor does it has its power , like really ?

[flat pebble]

bungie in the corner crying

[golden axle]

how do we feel about Take a Swing on new shovels?

[frank ether]

the same case somewhat applies to headhunter burst guns a lot of people will sleep on them because burst

[obtuse raft]

I basically never ever see them, it's kinda wild.

[muted knot]

Mk3 is just janky for me sometimes

Like it ignores some left clicks

It's weird

[flat pebble]

until the bayonet was useful they were just lesser infantry lasguns

[tall torrent]

It’s always been strong pick and in patch 13 helbore 3 infinite ammo crit was pretty ridiculous but even during then, it was still mainly recon6d and vraks3 being used

[junior grail]

Helbore is never weakest not strongest it seems

[frank ether]

thankfully I know bettter than to play a bungie game

[flat pebble]

and i don’t think people realize in general how strong the bayonet is even without the limbsplitter bug so people don’t know to try using it

[civic knot]

Worth buying?

[frank ether]

unfortunately I play fatshark games so

not a master of decisionmaking

[pine snow]

makes op gun
deletes half the game to fix it

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum still works for bayonet

[flat pebble]

if you aren’t using the helbore’s bayonet and it’s not the mk3 it’s like why even use it

[tall torrent]

Rashad axe + mk2 helbore and you’re gaming

[civic knot]

what are the best blessings for shovels?

[cerulean void]

I say yes because stripped down is based

[civic knot]

really?

[flat pebble]

i just don’t wanna use the rashad i don’t like caxes they make me feel slow

[cerulean void]

personal opinion because I do sprint builds

[frank ether]

mk3 bayo is not terrible

it just needs brutal momentum to work

[muted knot]

Destiny 2 was great once upon a time

[frank ether]

which limits your melee choices

but power swords exist so you're good

[tall torrent]

U can run a tac axe with brutal momentum

[flat pebble]

it was fine around forsaken

[obtuse raft]

I did assume it's basically the same as like the ripper bayonets TBH.

[pine snow]

the game started to go into the shitter at bl and then post wq it got really good and then just nosedived

and then lightfall happened

and um

[midnight mortar]

Yes, the mk3 Helbore still has a ghosting input buffer problem.

[pine snow]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Has anyone tested if brutal momentum for Ogryn works for ripper gun bayonet

[flat pebble]

need a crusher answer for helbore when my kraks are out unfortunately but i do like the taxe

im fine not cheesing the bayonet anymore lol i got my fill

[frank ether]

The whole aim assist / bullet magnetism thing turns me off of anything bungie will ever touch.

they will never make a PvP game thats good with their current mindset

[pine snow]

they did also just basically fire all their veteran staff

[flat pebble]

i maintain if they didn’t structure the deltas so fucked lightfall might have been fun

[frank ether]

PvE side of things destiny 2 seems cool except they delete older content for some bizarre reason afaik

and thats a nono

[flat pebble]

they sucked the fun out of hero nightfalls with the sandbox difficulty changes

[muted knot]

Start of destiny 2 raiding was amazing imo

Best time I've had in a MMO tbh

[pine snow]

raids are still really damn good

[frank ether]

D2 just feels a lot like playing a casual easy mmorpg, except its an fps you know?

[pine snow]

dungeons too

everything else is awful

[flat pebble]

they stopped doing this and confirmed they wouldn’t do it anymore but they still cycle out seasonal content because that’s how the seasonal content works

[pine snow]

also its incredibly not new player friendly

[raw steppe]

too bad the monetization makes the gameplay worse lol

that's the biggest issue with a lot of video games nowadays imo

[south spindle]

Ngl, Bungie been dead since old Halo

[raw steppe]

the instant the monetization starts making the gameplay worse

[flat pebble]

it’s not really any better or worse than darktide

[raw steppe]

the game spirals down

what lol

darktide literally

[tall torrent]

D2 monetization is cancer like they really expect you to figure out what you need to buy in the steam store and wait for sale

[frank ether]

well the fact that they did it once is enough for me

[raw steppe]

the monetization does not affect gameplay at all

how is that worse

[ancient stirrup]

based?

[south spindle]

Darktide is actually a good game at its core tho

[raw steppe]

there's nothing you can pay $$ for that affects gameplay

[pine snow]

if i look bad i play bad simple

[flat pebble]

name one microtransaction in d2 that affects gameplay

[raw steppe]

fair

[tall torrent]

Darktide is on the very light side of MTX I can guarantee you that, even with the FOMO exploiting and meh-looking cosmetics for the most part

[ancient stirrup]

constant DLCs

ez

[raw steppe]

isn't there that battlepass item that gives you a perfectly rolled item

[pine snow]

probably means how a lot of the good stuff is locked behind dlc

[flat pebble]

micro

[pine snow]

idk if it still is now tho

[flat pebble]

no not at all

[raw steppe]

and isnt a lot of content locked behind paywall

[pine snow]

d2's micro is only cosmetics

[stray storm]

Anyone got a good perk and blessing build for the new Laspistol?

[pine snow]

all of the good stuff is

[flat pebble]

the battle pass include mid rolls of highish stat armor and that’s it

[frank ether]

Oh d2 also one of those games where you dont get good drip without paying money

[pine snow]

like basically ev erything that isnt strikes or pvp or gambit

[raw steppe]

content behind paywall yo

[ancient stirrup]

^

[stray storm]

^^

[flat pebble]

now this is the honest truth here

[muted knot]

Cap

[ancient stirrup]

yeah D2 is monetized like shit

[muted knot]

Just paint everything gold ffs

It's that easy

[frank ether]

and to a degree I understand selling cosmetics but their free/paid drip ratio is horrible

[river escarp]

Is this worth keeping ?

[frank ether]

its like mobile game tier greed from bungie

[orchid condor]

which one is better?

[flat pebble]

also battlepasses aren’t microtransactions imho just as a matter or specificity

[muted knot]

Left

[frank ether]

granted we are in a fatshark game discord so its not like I'm speaking from a high horse

[hybrid river]

I hope the fated destiny killer doesn’t kill it by replacing it, but by making destiny’s entire genre obsolete

[raw steppe]

i think being able to get stuff that affects gameplay in the battlepass is bad lol

[ancient stirrup]

^

[stray storm]

I still love the game tho, I’ve actually found a lot of good friends through destiny

[raw steppe]

regardless if it's only "semi good"

battlepass IMO should be cosmetic only

[orchid condor]

the stopping power is like stagger right?

[tall torrent]

Not as bad as some mobile games

[raw steppe]

gameplay should be disconnected from monetization

[flat pebble]

the expansion system includes a lot of content but a lot of the stuff added in those drops are accessible to F2P players

[orchid condor]

idk the mechanic

[river escarp]

I would say first one, in case you were going weapon spec and the perk that gives you more crit based on heat. Lower heat faster perk charge

[ancient stirrup]

id roll for higher, but idk what the important stats are for that weapon

[pine snow]

this is from a while ago but it is possible to make stuff look good without paying (the legs are from dlc tho)

[frank ether]

thats not a very high bar you know

bottom of the barrel in fact

[flat pebble]

to be clear the structure of d2 and what you have to buy to do what makes no fuckin sense

[ancient stirrup]

good?

[pine snow]

the game doesnt explain anything either

its just lol figure it out yourself idiot

[tall torrent]

But for PC/console gaming destiny2 is like the most monetized mainstream game ever

[hybrid river]

All good besides shattering impact

[frank ether]

the people who play mobile games need some drug to turn their brain off its a different market

[flat pebble]

the shit armor rolls in the seasonal pass is the definition of a non issue

[ancient stirrup]

yeah well if thats the case i think its good enough lol

[pine snow]

its not like things'll change bc they just dont ca re

[flat pebble]

however the shit they just tried to pull with the starter kit is egregious

[ancient stirrup]

thanks

[raw steppe]

it's not really about how good or how shit the rolls are ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[orchid condor]

this is the result

[hybrid river]

Yeah it’s perfectly useable

[raw steppe]

it's about something that you can pay $$ for affecting gameplay

[frank ether]

there is clearly a market for cash grab games and fomo tricks

[raw steppe]

that's a big no-no

[orchid condor]

what perk should i change

[ancient stirrup]

change both perks and i think its solid af

[frank ether]

the most funny part for me is early on whales were considered a good thing

[stray storm]

Gets Hot is good tho

[frank ether]

by the communities of games I mean

[flat pebble]

if this is one of those “it’s the principle” things it doesn’t make sense in the context of the game as someone who is very intimately familiar with what is useful and what isn’t in the game and that’s my opinion

[ancient stirrup]

if you have to choose one out of both perks change stamins

[pine snow]

ig change to unyielding unarmored? idk tho

[river escarp]

Blaze Away and Gets Hot. And get the

[ancient stirrup]

make it +25% unyielding

[pine snow]

keep the blessings for sure

[ancient stirrup]

it is

[frank ether]

''whales fund the game'' mentality was high with games that struggled with population

eventually the development turns into monetizing the whale

making content for the whale

[river escarp]

Stamina for either Maniac or Unyielding

[frank ether]

now pop shrinks even more

[raw steppe]

it's like if you could pay $50 for a hat in darktide that would increase your damage against infested by 1%.
It literally would make no difference for anything.
but it would make the game worse because now you can pay $$ and impact gameplay

[frank ether]

and whales get bored & leave

[flat pebble]

it’s not affecting gameplay any more than a random drop you’d get in 3 seconds of playing the game would, the drops are fundamentally useless to anyone who’s played longer than 2 hours

[raw steppe]

you are allowed to have your opinion, even if it is wrong lol

[flat pebble]

yeah, it seems you’re making use of that advice

[raw steppe]

sure maybe if i grind for a few hours

i can get that

but being able to skip a few hours of grind by paying $$

[flat pebble]

its literally not a grind

[raw steppe]

is literally the definition of monetization affecting gameplay

[flat pebble]

it happens in the background of playing no matter what

sure man

what do i know, im only the one between the two of us that plays the game

[raw steppe]

i mean, my point stands, being able to pay $$ to impact gameplay is still the main thing

[hard cave]

darktide doesn't have mtxs that affect gameplay??

[raw steppe]

anything else is just copium

[tall torrent]

No

[flat pebble]

if it impacted gameplay, which it doesn’t

which i’ve said

[next spade]

these seem pretty good rolls

[raw steppe]

qq, does the battlepass contain upgrade currencies

[flat pebble]

how about you explain to me what the seasons include

if you know so much about d2

[raw steppe]

lol jesus you're on so much cope

just tell me

yes or no

[next spade]

not sure about chainsword perks but seems pretty perfect almost?

[flat pebble]

no dude you literally just don’t know what you’re talking about

[junior needle]

Except for the damage

[raw steppe]

that's why I'm asking you bro

[flat pebble]

and refusing context for cheap gotchas and it’s obvious and dumb

[raw steppe]

does the battlepass contain upgrade currencies

[flat pebble]

no dude you’ve been arguing in poor faith from the start

[patent swift]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[hybrid river]

Yeah just swap unarmoured to flak and make bloodletter into whatever you want or keep it

[junior needle]

You might want to keep unarmored if horde clear is your primary concern, for bruisers

[raw steppe]

If:
Yes, the battle pass has upgrade currency you can pay real money for, and upgrade stuff in the game.
No, the battle pass does not have currency that affects gameplay.

simple yes or no answer lol

[junior needle]

But it depends on how much you're actually meleeing maniacs

[flat pebble]

refusing context to make a strong opinion about something you don’t know anything about and are content to not learn about
i am very smart

[raw steppe]

i'm literally asking you because you claim to be knowledgeable

[flat pebble]

take it easy man

[raw steppe]

and you refuse to answer lol

[teal abyss]

Is someone genuinely defending D2? That’s new

[raw steppe]

ok bro

[flat pebble]

no dude you’ve clearly shown you have no intention to actually listen why you suddenly start now

i’ve explained myself 4 times over

[hybrid river]

No one has to listen if your points are bad

[terse idol]

Why dah fuck, like, My Pguns cannot make the breakpoint on Gunners

[inner imp]

Bois, when r we getting dem ammo backpacks for our plasma guns, autoguns, and lasguns?

[terse idol]

I'm losing iiiiit

[inner imp]

but why

[terse idol]

I just don't think I got enough Damage + Stopping power

[flat pebble]

it’s like complaining about buying a dlc and they gave you a goodie bag of random shit as part of it

[terse idol]

I gotta test this but my brain

[flat pebble]

it’s a dumb hill to die in

[terse idol]

It's gonna hurt to roll more Pguns

[south garnet]

I wouldn't worry about taking Dis too seriously, he calls stuff 'reddit' instead of addressing written word too

[hybrid river]

Holy based

[inner imp]

i pray for u brudda

may emprah bless ur loots

[terse idol]

Thank you 🥹

[celest vine]

Second hard crash today

Audio goes mute then booted to dashboard

[south garnet]

It seems like the servers are still pretty unstable lately

Hopefully they get a fresh reboot whenever the hotfix lands, maybe tomorrow

[neon briar]

are you using long shot and precision strikes

[terse idol]

No

IS that how you reach it?

[placid portal]

• unarmored perk?

[neon briar]

i have a near-perfect one and i need both of those talents for one shotting both gunners

[raw steppe]

here is the specific instance which I called out as a reddit-tier suggestion: #veteran-class message

[terse idol]

I thought you could reach the breakpoint without talents

[raw steppe]

[neon briar]

unarmoured perk

[terse idol]

hmmm

[neon briar]

hm i think you need the talents

[terse idol]

okay I'll review my build

[neon briar]

i meanm ine is 80dmg/80stop/80 charge

and if patch notes are believable then charge doesnt hurt damage anymore

[sly haven]

is skirmisher even worth it

[vagrant narwhal]

Did they change vet tree again?

[sly haven]

5% stacking 5 times for only 5 seconds and takes a while to build up seems not very worth it

[south garnet]

And i hope you got gold for it.
#veteran-class message
#veteran-class message
Here are the responses to it in case you didn't see the tag

[vagrant narwhal]

How is it now?

[south garnet]

Pretty good - some would say too good

[celest vine]

Does the +10% rending perk make a significant difference?

[south garnet]

Expect some tweaks or cutbacks in all likelihood, but not until next year most likely

[sly haven]

i think lasguns in universe dont come with that kinda shit onboard unless its expensive shit, and we're literally convicts sent in expected to be expenable, that kinda stuff on a lasgun would make the gun worth more than us i think

[hybrid token]

7 damage off non crit 1 shot cmon

[sly haven]

we get get junky gear compared to the real shit the guard and space marines get

[raw steppe]

no, it's just not possible to have that in a horde shooter

and actually have it somewhat useable

[celest vine]

Nvm i just tested it

Lets me hit a 1 hit crit headshot on scab gunners

[south garnet]

Plasma charges, and has a variable ammo per shot count for exactly the same reason

[raw steppe]

there's a reason why hellbore has 3 marks instead of having a special + slider to adjust it

[celest vine]

Gotta keep it

[sly haven]

i cant decide if skirmisher node is actually worth a damn tbh

[lofty lintel]

good ?

[elder vessel]

does anyone have a clip of the vet going " WaH wAh WaH quit whinging" handy?

[eternal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876302074994896956/1181709801663770634/222.gif?ex=65820c03&is=656f9703&hm=c4e64442f739a290518c63f40d52de589025b93477ccfa81f104f1482e220106&

[raw steppe]

yes and 99% of the time you never use the plasma right click lmao

[elder vessel]

LC vet i think?

[teal abyss]

Comically large barrel

[sly haven]

5% x5 for 5 seconds and it takes like 5+ seconds of sprinting to boot it up, but it's only base damage

[lofty lintel]

lol yes

[lofty lintel]

does that mean its good

[raw steppe]

it uses 3x ammo and is simply worse than just clicking 3x

[celest vine]

Boy this stuff is good

[lofty lintel]

i will replace whatever new blessing i get for infernus i have it in storage

[south garnet]

Because it's not useful with any breakpoints, i.e. the balance is poor. The core concept is not inherently flawed

[sly haven]

it's sub 360, the two perks are tier 3, and the one blessing is tier 3, it's pretty good but not amazing

[celest vine]

I think the projectile should get smaller but the damage should be multiplied by 1.5

When charged

Blah blah not lore accurate

[raw steppe]

sure

[lofty lintel]

oh that makes sense i didnt have the perk and blessings tiers in mind, do you think i could roll with that weapon in auric? or damnation maelstrom

[tardy turtle]

I'd be happier if I could benefit from blaze away more by pacing my shots and not having to spam click to get more than one stack.

[sly haven]

tbh you could roll any weapon in auric as long as it's 360 or higher with decent stat spread and you're not shit

[raw steppe]

tbh if they made recons work around a heat system that would be pretty interesting

[lofty lintel]

i see

well thanks

ima go play around with it i love recon lasguns

[sly haven]

as in, doesn't even n eed to be a green or up

[south garnet]

Yea that's not a bad idea, just some sort of retooling for sure

[sly haven]

you need headtaker and infernus for VId recon

[celest vine]

Full charge the projectile is the same size as a normal lasbolt (not changing the actual model)

So its harder to hit but in theory it can one hit headshot crushers and bulwarks

Through bulwark shields

Gives reason to use the charged shot

[sly haven]

does charismatic still not affect VoC

[lofty lintel]

i have infernus in storage and i already rolled headhunter so

thats fine

should i replace the 8% crit dmg perk?? i dont know what to switch it to

flak maybe? or maniac

[sly haven]

fl ak and maniac are your best friend perks

[lofty lintel]

awesome

[celest vine]

Good on everything

Flak is only bad on plasma guns

[lofty lintel]

yeah makes sense

[celest vine]

Cause they already hit all breakpoints

[sly haven]

flak/maniac comprise all the specials

[flat pebble]

you don’t need infernus

[celest vine]

Except ogryns

[flat pebble]

infernus barely does anything

[lofty lintel]

for melee im running standard issue shovel with decimator and skullcrusher and dmg against flak and maniacs

[sly haven]

and vet tree inherently can help you deal with unyielding or carapace

[celest vine]

Theyre either unyielding or carapace

[lofty lintel]

true

[celest vine]

Maulers are weak to bodyshots

[raw steppe]

flak/maniac is a good generic template but there's a lot of cases where it isn't the right one

[celest vine]

Bodies are flak srmor

[muted knot]

So it fits to the recon gun

[south garnet]

Shoot their balls

[raw steppe]

notably headshot weapons, breakpoint weapons, crit weapons, etc

flak is the most common armor type overall, but it's not the most common head type

[sly haven]

i mean tbh if you still use the old rashad axe meta you don't need to care at all about anything outside of flak/maniac

[celest vine]

Whats better for horde clearing? Powersword Mk6 with cycler 4 or chainsword with wraith and savage sweep

[sly haven]

rashad can and will body almost anything no problem

[south garnet]

The reason headshots don't work is there's nothing but a fleshless skull in it! Check in the grinder for proof

[celest vine]

Dreg bruisers have unarmored bodies but flak heads

[sly haven]

need em to drop red rarity weapons already

and better crafting

[stray storm]

Anyone got a good build for the new las pistol?

[sly haven]

what does the new las pistol have over the old

[celest vine]

More damage

Its beige

[sly haven]

that it?

[raw steppe]

it hits all unarmored/flak shooter breakpoints without needing perk support.

[celest vine]

Beige painted guns do more damage

[raw steppe]

so you can take maniac or crit or unyielding

[celest vine]

And shoot slower

[raw steppe]

if you want

[jaunty sphinx]

what perks should I be looking for on the new revolver?

[sly haven]

boi all i want is a got dayum good roll on a columnus v ifa

[stray storm]

Hand cannon is my preference

[vocal terrace]

yeah hand cannon is still good even after the nerf

is crucian roulette any good?

[junior needle]

Chainsword can't beat psword with cycler and brutal due to how brutal works

Also you want rampage because it gives damage and power on the chainsword

[desert geode]

is this any good?

[sleek cairn]

yeah how is the new heavy laspistol?

whats soldier's opinion here

[junior needle]

Damage is quite low, but the rolls are 3/4 good. I'd yoink for ghost 4 at most.

[vocal terrace]

heard from a friend its dogshit

[sleek cairn]

alright dogshit it is

[stray storm]

It’s good damge

[celest vine]

I only say cause I think this is good

[vocal terrace]

chainsword is very strong, that'll do well

really similar to mine actually

[native citrus]

MK3 shovel for the win

[junior needle]

Take savage sweep or wrath and then rampage, cleave blessings are kinda eh apart from brutal

[celest vine]

I only need it for horde clearing

I use krak for hard targets

And my gun takes care of all elites and specialists

Aside from bulwarks

[stray storm]

You can shoot Flak/Unarmored breakpoints without using perk

It’s pretty good

[junior needle]

Rampage gives both more damage AND power currently in a large amount

Much more than the tooltip implies

Unless it's been fixed recently

[raw steppe]

fixed

🫡

[gusty bison]

Fking

Fire

Lmao

[sleek cairn]

grawr, heavy laspistol good?

[vocal terrace]

they're gonna fix it in the next hotfix, so probably like a week or two

[gusty bison]

Got team barreled into a fire patch and insta died

[vocal terrace]

fire is like 200dps rn I think

[junior needle]

That's a good roll. You want to keep headhunter and the crit chance, but reroll the crit damage for sure to a flat damage boosts. You want dumdum or infernus for the second blessing, depending on whether you want more soft or hard target damage.

Just an important note, the recon lasguns are drastically underperforming currently and they have considerably poorer damage AND ammo efficiency compared to alternatives.

For an illustration, here's a built 6d doing nearly all headshots against a "gray" columnus doing body shots. IAG's are finesse weapons and are built for headshots, and the 6d even has +maniac damage to skew the testing in its favor even more.

[vocal terrace]

200dps damnation

[gusty bison]

Also new fire with 3 bombers and 3 flamers on the new map area with the mist where u cant see shit is stupid

[gusty bison]

Havent tested yet

[lunar scaffold]

Did they "fix" the plasma rifle's janky charge rate mechanics?

[junior needle]

According to the patch notes they did now

so your primary fire isn't janked by charge rate

[fresh jungle]

the patch notes said they did, I don't have the weapons to test it myself

[lunar scaffold]

I was wondering if anyone tested

Because I dont know how it is supposed to properly function

[frank ether]

feel like fire dmg needs a cap on how high it can tick for

[lofty lintel]

oh wow thats crazy

😭

im liking the lasgun so thats a shame

[umbral garnet]

I guess it's about time I actually verify if my main weapons are dogshit or not.

Trying to get better blessing for the Autogun

[tall torrent]

Columnus is good, swap blessings to dum dum + stripped down
Rest are kinda meh

[gusty bison]

Worst part is its not just a down

Its death

Cos u cant be rezzed

[junior needle]

On a "fair" comparison (still skewed towards recon due to IAG's being finesse weapons) it's even worse. Many people, including myself, are similarly disappointed and waiting for something substantial to be done about it.

It's not as big of a gap with flak but it's still about 400~ dps difference.

[frank ether]

if only smoke grenades could cut off fires or something fatshark

ah well

[umbral garnet]

They've been doing me a good job so far.

[frank ether]

I havent yet died to new fires but I watched a few people fry pretty good

[junior needle]

The bugged dumdum is the only really important blessing on the IAG's, as long as you have that you're set

Can choose whatever else your heart desires

[frank ether]

its.. bugged?

how

[unborn ridge]

yl guys

i was checking builds

what is this rending buildd everyone using

using the acatran lasgun

is it good?

[frank ether]

that was 20 years ago

[tall torrent]

No

[modest sapphire]

are both of the power swords good?

[unborn ridge]

but i see builds that were

[frank ether]

unless you have a time machine to patch 13 recon rend build isnt a thing anymore

[unborn ridge]

updated hours ago

xd

people trolling then xD

[junior needle]

Something something it uses the code for a zealot talent that gradually increases damage the closer you are to something. The end result is you get bonus damage at much longer of a range than 7-8m.

[frank ether]

you can still have it but its never gonna reach the same highs

[unborn ridge]

ahh ok

so the lasgun is only used for that?

[frank ether]

its rather meh at maniac damage

[unborn ridge]

i fell like it has no recoil but deals low dmg compared to autoguns

[frank ether]

thats kinda it yes

zero recoil but also zero damage

[noble zinc]

Hmm which blessing do I tear off this

[junior needle]

The guns you're thinking of are currently experiencing some very hard times, you can see some earlier messages of mine for a fine example: #veteran-class message

[modest sapphire]

are both of the power swords good?

[frank ether]

I see

honestly I'm not a huge fan of how close damage works regardless

[eternal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876302074994896956/1181709801663770634/222.gif?ex=65820c03&is=656f9703&hm=c4e64442f739a290518c63f40d52de589025b93477ccfa81f104f1482e220106&

[frank ether]

how festive of you

[junior needle]

They're both fine but 6 is generally considered a clear superior option

[eternal sable]

:3

[sleek cairn]

@frank ether despite all the changes i still use generically the same shit

[unborn ridge]

i see

what autogun do u recommend me

[frank ether]

my builds are better this patch

same builds but better basically

[junior needle]

Depends on your playstyle. Most are at the least serviceable and there's plenty of great ones.

[lofty lintel]

😦

i was loving te lasgun

[sleek cairn]

like drastically better

[lofty lintel]

the

[frank ether]

my helbore exec build finally has decent toughness again

[unborn ridge]

i like goin in and clear the area fast (roam kinda) but yeah thats risky af

[sleek cairn]

@frank ether didnt u focus on middle keystone tho

[unborn ridge]

otherwise stand in the back point is

[sleek cairn]

im pretty sure u were a middle tree user

[unborn ridge]

i like to shoot sht

[noble zinc]

Well I guess vet chat has decided not to be helpful today

[frank ether]

I play variety

mid keystone I use with bolter or plasma

[sleek cairn]

the 10% rending on mid tree is too easy to reach now

i cant skip it no matter what

i must have it.

[frank ether]

helbore I switched back to marksman focus for crusher one shots and extra boss damage

[junior needle]

Brautos would excel at close range sweeping but IAG's are not a slouch there either. Columnus IAG is very overtuned but you may not likely the recoil on it.

[dusk sparrow]

It's next to ogryn and monster damage though

Tough choice

[unborn ridge]

whats iags?

[sleek cairn]

grab it ALL

lol

[junior needle]

infantry autoguns

Brauto = braced auto

[frank ether]

yes, it makes vraks 3 and 7 once again very strong can openers

[dusk sparrow]

But my weakspot damage...

[sleek cairn]

@dusk sparrow dont u dare weigh 10% rending vs weakspot as a choice. this channel will slaughter u

[frank ether]

with both the %10 rending from mid tree and %10 from marksman focus modifier, you can rip crushers at a very consistent pace

[gray belfry]

so lads, just started after a break and saw the yeehaw revolver we got, anyone got an idea on what to go for with that?

[unborn ridge]

i see

can u recommend me a build?

[dusk sparrow]

Ps6 doesn't care about rending though

[gusty bison]

Competitive urge is right next to it thou

[sleek cairn]

grab all 3!!

actually i really do grab all 3 on my trees

3 point value

[placid portal]

Yeehaw revolver do have issues with killing things imo since it has release revolver damage

[frank ether]

I pass on competitive urge

[south garnet]

I don't know if 10% rending is worth writing home about tbh

[junior needle]

Depends very much on your personal preferences and what grenade/ult you want to use. What gun do you want as well?

[south garnet]

How dare you

[frank ether]

it enables some weapons to function vs carapace

so think of this

[dusk sparrow]

I feel like there's always something else I'd rather take than the rending

[frank ether]

vraks 3 or 7

%10 from marksman focus

%10 from mid tree

you are now a can opener

[unborn ridge]

idk what gun is the most efficient at dpsing really im kinda new to the game even tho i just reached 30

[sly haven]

which helbore is best

[placid portal]

Yeehaw revolvers do not seem to have enougj piercing

[unborn ridge]

i liked the grenades in the middle as they oneshot tanky targets

[gusty bison]

Oh btw Plush, did u see the updated version of the agri shotty build?

[placid portal]

Depends on flavor
2 for fastest
3 for carapace and damage
1 for median

[sleek cairn]

I want to see. PLEASE

[frank ether]

I havent, but I was experimenting with vraks 7 using your formula, deadshot shout

[sly haven]

wait what in the hell fucking fire, why is helbore melee SO STRONG????

[placid portal]

Yes

[sleek cairn]

@gusty bison u're the manstopper agri shottie guy right

[gusty bison]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac7f720-c6b2-4044-ba70-759cef332242/agri-shotty-cursed

Ye

[gusty bison]

Woop

How it goin

[sleek cairn]

must it be cursed?

[midnight patrol]

20% rending for just doing what you normally do does sound super enticing..

[placid portal]

Since you cannot swap well into ranged you can melee with bayonet for small groups of enemies

[gusty bison]

It must be cursed

[frank ether]

Its going a lot better combined with general improvements to vet tree

[gusty bison]

Ayr

[sleek cairn]

is this really anything to u tho?

[gusty bison]

Better surv

[sleek cairn]

oh shit i just noticed u grab no toughness regen except this

i guess it necessary for 1 point value

[frank ether]

can now get a 25 toughness node with marksman focus and have good rending at the same time

[south garnet]

With 20% rending? Unless i misunderstand, which i do frequently, that's just 20% more damage than you'd be doing to carapace normally. So if your weapon is piss poor against it already, it won't be much better off.
With the onslaught node, pre nerf it worked wonders with vraks 3, but now I don't know. Someone, maybe you, mentioned earlier it was testing well in psykanium (I assume using crit blessings) so maybe it's viable, I would just need to hear more than the face value of the node itself i guess

Sorry, wall

[sleek cairn]

is anybody still grabbing Agile Engagement? or is it too taxing now

[gusty bison]

Worth it to pick up

If u can

[sleek cairn]

i used to get it as my last point until 10% rending appeared closer

[frank ether]

onslaught takes time to ramp up and not very good for vraks 7, not amazing for 3 either.

[lunar scaffold]

Ok they fixed it but my 80 charge plasma shoots so fast with normal fire that it fires the shot faster than the animation finishes

[south garnet]

Not anymore unfortunately, yea

[frank ether]

having up front flat %20 feels much stronger

[south garnet]

Fair

[sly haven]

still think vet needs 5 extra points since we have 20 extra fuckin nodes

[lunar scaffold]

This also sometimes causes the sound to not play

[frank ether]

with some luck you can have like 3k something dps against crushers with a vraks 3

thats not bad at all

thats quite viable

[lunar scaffold]

I could also be smoking crack but it feels like it does more dmg too

[frank ether]

also consider my vraks 3 is garbage

its like a stock roll

[junior needle]

I recommend trying them out and seeing what you like. Here's a very generic build that will work for brautos or IAG's, but lacks some specificity in talent choices: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ac9bd9d-f7e0-40f2-8822-08a3cd0e7bd9

VOC is very strong, survivalist is the best aura by far, and krak grenades will easily clear out crushers for you. You can take shredders if you want though.

[cosmic crag]

ugh what they do to the app

[modest sapphire]

what stats matter most on plasma gun

[unborn ridge]

ty!!

[sleek cairn]

omg rashad caxe 2. i came.

[forest blaze]

Yes

[sleek cairn]

Please, glorify caxe2 some more. i love it

[sly haven]

how is the new chainaxe and dagger

[junior needle]

Oh that reminds me, those are the default weapons for the thing and not a recommendation. Use whatever you want.

[forest blaze]

New chaxe good

[frank ether]

I've been wanting to try this but hadron doesnt give me good shotgun blessings smh

[forest blaze]

Dagger for nerds

[placid portal]

Shovel is Goated

[mystic nimbus]

juicy juicy?

[forest blaze]

This. New mk 3 shovel is ridiculous

[sly haven]

whats wrong with it

[cosmic crag]

I paid melk for a shovel

[junior needle]

It defaults to that whenever you make a new build, I didn't change a thing

[mystic nimbus]

build to run like hell

[forest blaze]

If you want to use a dagger go play a zealot and lose games that way.

[frank ether]

there is a godroll recon in melk

skipped though

[gusty bison]

Rip

[sly haven]

you're not telling me whats wrong with it

[sleek cairn]

Nooooooooooo

[placid portal]

Legit I have tested and learned you can 1 tap dogs 1 heavy without thrust muties

[south garnet]

Yeah that's definitely viable, is this with headhunter and deadly accurate?

[sleek cairn]

my caxe2 love

[forest blaze]

I believe you can 1-2 tap crushers with it too

[placid portal]

I dont have good swtup so didnt reach that BP

[frank ether]

correct, also have deadshot but how much its needed is questionable

[junior needle]

Stats are good, I'd roll it up to purple to see if it bricked

[south garnet]

Interesting. I'm too lazy to test the differences lmao but at least it's good to know it still works

[serene sage]

how do often does exhilrating takedowns trigger for you?

I feel like it's not often enough

[midnight patrol]

Vraks mk7 with Surgical and Deadly accurate you can reliably railgun them if you wait a second or so between shots with Deadshot

[serene sage]

to justify taking 😦

skill issue?

[placid portal]

If shooting shooters very often

[mystic nimbus]

hmm

[frank ether]

I should probably test it with zero rending aswell lol

[midnight patrol]

I imagine the 20% rending would save a full on extra shot needed, which would be a solid QoL improvement

[sleek cairn]

hows it hold up against Revolver

[frank ether]

for vraks 7 an extra shot can feel like eternity given the reliance on crits

[south garnet]

20% may be a lot if it's applying to the total sum

[sleek cairn]

the real question is vraks 7 vs Revolver

[midnight patrol]

I haven't been able to test with the new builds yet.

[mystic nimbus]

this or this?

[frank ether]

I have no clue on how the math works tbh

[placid portal]

Revolver rending nerfs imo put revolvers in an ok placo

[midnight patrol]

But this was even before, so I imagine it's a lot more viable now

[junior needle]

If you do 10% damage to carapace normally, with 10% rending, you are doubling your damage to carapace.

[south garnet]

Me either hahaha

[junior needle]

Quick maffs

[unborn ridge]

i noticed u didnt go all the way down to the keystones are they not worth it?

[placid portal]

With crits you do like 100 dmg normally

[junior needle]

Right has low stopping power, you want that as high as possible. Also please take falter off the left, useless blessing.

[gusty bison]

Gun dependent

[mystic nimbus]

i dont have another good one hahah

[forest scaffold]

Alright veteran chat. Is Handcannon/Surgical still the go-to

[ruby totem]

lovin this new chainaxe

[forest scaffold]

or since handcannon got nerfed, should I stick with Gloryhunter for toughness regen

[placid portal]

Yes imo

[junior needle]

They can be worth it, but I don't like how they work personally. The ping keystone is probably the most applicable for that setup. Not using them is perfectly viable though if you value simplicity.

[placid portal]

Still good bc you still 2 tap with right setup

Or 3 tap

[raw steppe]

hand cannon is unchanged for all intents and purposes

[forest scaffold]

Note: I'm doing the disgusting meta slave thing with revolver+power sword

so I don't particularly need a ranged solution to crushers

[junior needle]

Surgical ideally, or no respite can be fine in the meantime.

[placid portal]

Ye revolver is still good at putting down elite specials

[forest scaffold]

Yeah

So I'm thinking GH

for instant toughness gain

when VOC is on cooldown

I could do crucian roulette. Two bullets missing means I only need 6 stacks of surgical for the guaranteed crit

[placid portal]

15 sec cooldown

[forest scaffold]

which helps with dreg machinegunners

[forest scaffold]

Uh

Me r badge aim

r 2 used to achlys

[junior needle]

Are the new chainweapons/shovels any good for lightspam?

[forest scaffold]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

So I'm relearning how to aim and maximize the cooldown reduction on VOC

[placid portal]

Technically bc overtoughness duration is 15 seconds

[raw steppe]

if you don't need an answer to crushers, you can use fan revolver and do crucian + trickshoot

with weapon specialist

[placid portal]

So 15 seconds of buff downtime

[placid portal]

Nani the frick would you usw trickshot on Agri Rev

[forest scaffold]

this is kind of what I've sussed out for veteran in the last few hours

[unborn ridge]

yeah i do

[forest scaffold]

I suppose swapping to fan revolver wouldn't be a huge deal

[unreal bone]

Do I buy this?

[placid portal]

Its accuracy gets atrocious if you spam so I say handcannon is a better option imo bc you still yeehaw with crits

[forest scaffold]

Just need to save up gold to grind out one at brunts.

[forest scaffold]

Can you not ads at all with new revolver?

[raw steppe]

accuracy is pretty good, you just need deadshot

[noble zinc]

I have temporarily joined the plasma dark side whilst I look for a trickshooter revolver

[placid portal]

The accuracy tightens on brace

[forest scaffold]

well

thanks brunt

[noble zinc]

Because I consumed my old MKII for the hand cannon blessing

[forest scaffold]

First try

and I get this

[placid portal]

But will go insane if you shoot faster than normal revolver fire rate

[placid portal]

Nice one

[forest scaffold]

time to go play two damnation matches

and brick the shit out of it

[placid portal]

Pray for no bricks

[noble zinc]

Low rating so will likely get bricked

[forest scaffold]

that said

Eh

I don't mind tier 3 or tier 4 differences

[carmine cradle]

bleed blessings on the chainweapons were already really strong, and this patch they got indirectly buffed

[forest scaffold]

They're just. . . largely not meaningful across the board

[carmine cradle]

thoughts?

[placid portal]

Imma say that 5% crit perk is nice on yeehaw variant

[forest scaffold]

I solved that in the tree

I mean, sure, double up for 10%

[placid portal]

Ye but more crits are good

[forest scaffold]

but just 5% more is fine to me

I get where you're coming from though

ITS HIGH NOON

funny yellow numbers

[noble zinc]

The highest noon

[carmine cradle]

new revolver + executioners stance is dumb

[placid portal]

Middle tree to add RDR highlighting

[carmine cradle]

but very fun

bullets be upon ye

[placid portal]

Seeya Space cowboy

Ngl I miss reloading 1 shot at a time sometimes for agripinaa

But speedloaders are based

[junior needle]

3/4 scuffed but very good stats. However autopistols are big shit currently. Unarmored isn't bad but you want flak/maniac.

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-when-they-least-expect-it-gif-18306501333321204879

[faint jetty]

[junior needle]

Post results fellow cat picture haver

[faint jetty]

[faint jetty]

do i even bother with 65% cleave?

[junior needle]

Yes, the difference is actually not that big due to how cleave works.

[faint jetty]

ty

[frank ether]

https://imgur.com/gallery/wfTfVV9

[faint jetty]

im out of plasteel but good start

[junior needle]

First perk is sus

good luck

[placid portal]

Shred claw is personal favoritr

Also flip shovel special on hit counts as two separate hits

[gray belfry]

so just did a quick run of the new mission, revolvers fun but pretty 'hit every shot or suffer' on some targets, but did they change a helmet for zealot so he soudns more like balthazar gelt all of a sudden?

[placid portal]

Some zealot helmetd got a vox caster for throat

[frank ether]

balthazar lmao

[gray belfry]

was just running through happily yeehawing heretics then just suddenly hear 'I AM SUPREME' out of nowhere

[frank ether]

some helmets have that effect yea

[gray belfry]

sick

any for veteran or are we missing out

[junior needle]

Anyone got any input?

[frank ether]

it is with great sadness I announce that my poop shovel skin does not apply to fold shovels

[gray belfry]

sadge'

idk if it was said earlier when i asked, justr ana missiona nd didnt see responce, whats the go to for the new revolver

[placid portal]

Vets going rock and stone with pickaxe mode shovel

[gray belfry]

new goal unlocked

mk3 or 7?

[placid portal]

Karl% darktide?

[placid portal]

Mk3 for best Heavy attack

[gray belfry]

mk 3 it is

[placid portal]

On special

[stiff surge]

Thanks Emprah

Nice embed discord

[gray belfry]

ah sick discords being whack again

[brazen ether]

How are vets feeling about the new stub revolver

[placid portal]

Yeeeee

[gray belfry]

i can yeehaw heretics. 10/10

[placid portal]

Haaaaaaw

[gray belfry]

who cares about meta. its fun and thats enough for me

[placid portal]

Now we must have a Niel Cicerga Wow gameplay compilation by internet mandate

[gray belfry]

102 ammo with the ammo talent

[placid portal]

I dont make the rules

[gray belfry]

we need the guy who did the vt2 shitpost vids again

[snow pendant]

nasty

[brazen ether]

I do kinda wish the fanning was a special activated mode

[tall torrent]

It’s basically bolter but revolver

[gray belfry]

accuracy through volume, fan enough in the distance and you'l hit the sniper

[brazen ether]

But not efficient

[gray belfry]

but fun

[timid gazelle]

Still no hotshot.

[placid portal]

It needs just a few tweaks and you become space cowboy

[brazen ether]

I think fatshark is too much of cowards to balance the hotshot

So they won't add it

[placid portal]

Lol

[zealous wyvern]

tbh hard to do

[placid portal]

Perma speed debuff

[timid gazelle]

Its literally a fully automatic carbine

just add a overheat meter

[unreal bone]

Wym shredder destroys maniacs

unless they nerfed shredders literally this update

[placid portal]

Doesnt it feed off a power pack backpack?

[timid gazelle]

Yeah it does