veteran-class

[snow pendant]

i used to use a mod for that but for the laspistol

is so much better when they are full auto

[terse idol]

The low damage on it is hindering it

I mwan hinder it

Eh, just test it out ghe other has higher pen too, with low first strike

[merry oak]

celerity is pretty good ngl

luckily were arent in the guard anymore so you dont get shot using combat drugs lol

[carmine cradle]

good lord new revolver with executioners stance is fucking dumb

[midnight patrol]

I wanna see how funny this make the Vraks mk7 now

[terse idol]

Relationship ended with the imperium, New best friends with the inquisition

[merry oak]

DRUGS

[midnight patrol]

In the first dozen or so rounds with Deadshot the gun just does not bounce much.

[vivid birch]

....

for context:
farmed the sht out of power swords to get the Power Cycler IV...

you know what's the first Transcendent Power Sword I get (from a mission too) after finally crafting it..

[terse idol]

The emperor giveth the emperor taketh

[snow pendant]

dear emprah 5 shots on a flak gunner , mein heart cant take it

[vivid birch]

truly

[ruby hull]

man melee vet is so much fun, especially with the new knife

[snow pendant]

wait the mods works now ?

when i turn on mods the game crashes

[flat pebble]

my mods have been working since yesterday

[topaz pebble]

Weapon customization extended

[vivid birch]

it was wep custom and some others so I turned them off

[ruby hull]

get rid of weapon customization

[flat pebble]

it’s gonna depend

[topaz pebble]

That crashes

Everything else works basically

[plush notch]

there's an updated version of the weapon customization that works on the new patch

[topaz pebble]

Normal wep customization works

[midnight patrol]

Update the mods yeah

[crude sparrow]

hi can someone give me a build that works for gunplay

[plush notch]

you just have to grab it from the modding server

[topaz pebble]

What gun

[crude sparrow]

agrapina mk1

[topaz pebble]

Agrip infantry enjoyer

[drowsy kayak]

ok found a decent way to get a consistent test with a shove attack

The 372 Knife

The 355 Knife

[viral nacelle]

Ok grenadier build is actually really fun with shredder nades

[snow pendant]

my game still crash

[viral nacelle]

You do a lot of damage and you get bleed on everything

And the tons of stagger ain’t bad either

[weary acorn]

does anyone know if the No Respite blessing applies to the hit that staggers the enemy or just subsequent hits on a staggered enemy

[viral nacelle]

It kinda sucks that there’s no deterministic element to the doubled nade throw

Like you can’t build up x charges doing y and then toss double nade

[topaz pebble]

I haven't actually tried the tree changes with agrip yet so if anyones got better suggestions let me know

[hard cave]

youre either a vet who loves matching fits with other vets, or a hobo vet

there is no inbetween

[umbral scaffold]

what blessings go on the new shovels?

[viral nacelle]

My suggestion is move most of your trait picks out of the left tree

Deadshot is literally better than exe stance and it’s not even funny 😂

[midnight patrol]

Mad man not running a single grenade talent

[topaz pebble]

I'm not suggesting Deadshot to a new player

[half ginkgo]

drop left keystone nodes for rending and toughness regen along with competitive urge. go mid and grab rending (same amount but unconditional) and monstrosity damage

[mystic belfry]

Why

[topaz pebble]

Demo team is more than enough for me, but then again that's HISTG

[frank ether]

you can invest in shout and a 25 toughness node instead of exec and have the stam to make deadshot work

[mystic belfry]

Just run one or more stam curios

[topaz pebble]

He wanted shooty build, thats the best shooty build I could slap together in like 5 minutes

[midnight patrol]

I don't think new players have two 3+ Stam curious laying about

[mystic belfry]

Also deadshot is really minimal with low fire rate guns like shotguns or revolvers

[topaz pebble]

He's using an agrip autogun

It's fast enough if you don't got curios

[mystic belfry]

Then run +2 stam curios

[midnight patrol]

Deadshot will work with agri shotty

[topaz pebble]

Autogun

[mystic belfry]

Deadshot is really really good with the new revolver

[south spindle]

Ngl, i wouldnt recommend Marksman's to a new player either, it requires a lot more input from the user than ping or spec'

[midnight patrol]

But man he is going to have a hard time with no regenning shredder nades

[half ginkgo]

shouty build i use now. has 1 spare point.

[topaz pebble]

Oh shit you right on marksmens

What a shitty keystone

[mystic belfry]

I wouldn’t recommend marksman to someone new, I would recommend deadshot depending on the build

[broken palm]

Is executioners stance veteran good again?

[noble zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310311703768203274/1182004165728284726/image.png?ex=65831e29&is=6570a929&hm=c0d54157f3104f12c4b18505721df637269da649d16c792f272f0b1c0aa48a0b&
hmmmmm

[midnight patrol]

This is a lot more reliable for a new player

[mystic belfry]

Always was. But it depends on your gun and breakpoints

[south spindle]

Its really strong, but its not very good for people learning the game, one of the highest damage potential keystones in the game currently tho

[topaz pebble]

Yeah shout with gun is honestly the safest bet

Got the games best panic button

On command

[midnight patrol]

It's good for veteran Vets.. But hell I ain't recommending it to anyone with a dozen or two dozen hours

[half ginkgo]

btw your bolter build using left keystone or not?

[mystic belfry]

Shout is very good

[south spindle]

It is yeah, sorry i still havent logged in, got distracted by a BeamNG stream

[mystic belfry]

But deadshot is not a punishing talent with the right guns. Guns you can either hipfire well, or that have a low rate of fire, or both

[broken palm]

The addition of keystones instantly made my vet null and void. So he probably still is then

[midnight patrol]

This will work!

[half ginkgo]

no worries, and thanks, mate. was just really curios since i suck at left keystone

[midnight patrol]

Shame about stopping power but the rest is workable

[viscid sparrow]

I myself still use exe stance, mostly because it helps me kill stuff with mk5 IAG easier...

[south spindle]

They've made it a bit easier to use this patch, its now 3 stacks on weakspot kill instead of one, so thats a plus

[viral nacelle]

Why in the name of god would you suggest left tree to a new player. Do you hate them?

[topaz pebble]

Funny how marksmens focus works the worst with slow firing marksmen weapons

[midnight patrol]

It makes the Vraks mk7 a God tier weapon

[topaz pebble]

He wanted shooty

I give high damage shooty

[mystic belfry]

Crazy good with the new revolver too

[topaz pebble]

I run wep spec and Deadshot with new revolver for a reason

[agile forge]

What does a good plasma rifle look like now?

[topaz pebble]

Now if only hadron didn't fuck me

[midnight patrol]

That reminds me of the time I had to teach or help a new player level up their Vet

[mystic belfry]

I don’t run weapon specialist with the new revolver

[midnight patrol]

The amount of tunnel vision and ignoring the poxwalkers spawning around them

Pain

Ex Stance was their first pick they told me.

[viral nacelle]

Give him something not trash instead

[agile forge]

I've got one with +25% Maniac (refined), +10% reload speed, Shattering Impact III and Gets Hot! IV

and every stat between 70 and 80

[viral nacelle]

The best way for a new player to learn vet is to roll a zealot

[half ginkgo]

unarmored + unyielding

[noble zinc]

Every new vet should use shout v-v

[mystic belfry]

This is my current revolver build #veteran-class message

But I’m still tinkering with it

[agile forge]

So keep both of the blessings and change both perks?

Damage is sadly lowest stat on it lol, but still 70 isn't bad

[half ginkgo]

with any decent plasma this is exactly the play

[topaz pebble]

Wait why unarmored and unyielding for plasma

[weary acorn]

Does the Onslaught node affect guns?

[nimble sentinel]

I'm back home, who wants to laugh at my goofy ass for making a recon build?

[midnight patrol]

I was going to say Gunker helps too lol

[topaz pebble]

Yes

[mystic belfry]

Lmao

[carmine cradle]

new revolver + executioners stance = really fucking stupid

[midnight patrol]

Gunkers is still best honorary Vet

[topaz pebble]

Nah, gunker teaches you privilege

[viral nacelle]

If you stack crit really high it can work

[mystic belfry]

Yeah I’ve been messing with that a bit too

[nimble sentinel]

thank you for this

[untold mulch]

I am interested, but unless you can get some very good ammo economy, I won't bother until changed

[midnight patrol]

Assail 100 people dead then popping up a Revolver to deal a 4000 damage crit to a plague orgyn's noggin

[nimble sentinel]

it's not the worst since you're shooting elites, taking survivalist, and are kinda locked into taking fully loaded too

[viral nacelle]

That’s why stack crit. You get every bit of crit chance you can, then go deadshot-> ammo-> shock trooper

[half ginkgo]

unarmored gives dreg gunner HS uncharged BP, unyeilding is simply boss dps as flak/maniac don't help with BPs on maulers/maniacs unless you are willing to roll with blaze and part charge fuckery. only other bp you can get is crusher and it needs both +cara and +elite (my 79/80% dmg/stopping) needed both +25 and +10 for crusher

[topaz pebble]

No longer works like that

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper doesn't does as much now

[viral nacelle]

WDYM

[topaz pebble]

Shocktrooper is bullet per crit chain

[viral nacelle]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIN

[topaz pebble]

Recons are terrible rn

[atomic zephyr]

what would you guys say are the best blessings for the kant laspistol? i have dumdum raking fire on mine but i feel like it just doesnt hit right

[untold mulch]

You need to bend backwards to make Recon work

[viral nacelle]

Fuck me RIP recon

[serene sage]

Good

[midnight patrol]

They neefed Shocktrooper hard lol

[nimble sentinel]

correct, BUT the tree optimization makes it viable

[carmine cradle]

exectuoners stance increase accuracy, which i often forget

[midnight patrol]

It works well with slower firing lasguns still!

[untold mulch]

And Fatshark killed it for that gun only

[topaz pebble]

Meanwhile colomnus

[midnight patrol]

You can make a mk12 or Helbore literally never go below 70% ammo.

[fresh mango]

[topaz pebble]

Still commiting warcrimes

[viral nacelle]

A-10 in gun form

[midnight patrol]

Even when you're horde clearing with them

You shouldn't be but you still can

[mystic belfry]

I don’t horde clear with guns

[viral nacelle]

I do sometimes for fun

[mystic belfry]

Melee is more fun :v

[viral nacelle]

Gun go brrr

[lilac gale]

#shovellife

[mystic belfry]

I do clear hordes of ragers with my gun though

[flat pebble]

i like magdumping a brauto mag into a horde once in a while. as a treat

[half ginkgo]

meanwhile i was watching for 3 games already plasma vets shooting poxies

[mystic belfry]

Jesus that spawn of ragers on the new map

[topaz pebble]

That new map is uh

Piss easy

[midnight patrol]

I ain't going to melee with 4+ ragers at once yes lol

[topaz pebble]

That ending event was really calm

[mystic belfry]

Yeah the map isn’t that hard

[serene sage]

Good for you. keep hydrating homie

[nimble sentinel]

12 ragers be like:
https://youtu.be/MpWP6JDmB6A?si=-rXV2cpeme9u4Z9F

[flat pebble]

one thing i love about becoming a bayonet user (the helbore is cool i just know what butters my bread) is that it hard counters any rager horde

poke poke poke head height and you’ll stagger all of them and the attack speed is so fast it’s really manageable

[mystic belfry]

So does the new revolver

[viral nacelle]

So long as it’s not charge shot for MAXIMUM OVERKILL it’s probably fine for ammo eco if you do it occasionally

[topaz pebble]

The only weapon I use executioner stance on anymore

Hellbore mk1, my beloved

[weary acorn]

This build is nice....

[viral nacelle]

3 perk points for exe vs 1 for deadshot, it’s not even close

[midnight patrol]

Bayonet is honestly more than viable for horde clear. I did some testing. No other melee weapon can reliably one tap headshot enemies like it can and yet still have so much reach and such a fast attack speed

[weary acorn]

I'm going to yoink it

[flat pebble]

just got a reaaaally crispy one i’ve been using since yesterday i love

[mystic belfry]

Also there a fun little combo with shovel + revolver. Special shovel poke, then swap to two fanned headshots

[flat pebble]

the mk1 feels so good

[mystic belfry]

Smooth as butter kills

[midnight patrol]

And the stagger is rofl

[topaz pebble]

Downplay the hellbore, maybe fat shark will randomly buff it

[random cobalt]

i cant handle pubs

[midnight patrol]

It's just a shame I vibe better with the Vraks mk7 than the Helbore series.

[flat pebble]

i usually get around 90-105 stat on the final scoreboard from literally only holding my helbore and poking people with it, i clear hordes, specials, elites, the only thing you ever need to switch your weapon for is maulers and crushers or if you need more dodges in a split second

[viral nacelle]

Keeping the new players alive is the true hard mode

[half ginkgo]

yep, typical pub vet nowadays

[viral nacelle]

Forget maelstrom, I play moronstrom

[flat pebble]

the good thing is i think it has enough of a skill cap it’s really unlikely to ever get nerfed

[midnight patrol]

Yeaaah you get as many if not more melee kills with a Helbore as you do ranged

[viral nacelle]

Laspistol kinda mid rn

Anyone try the accatran heavy since patch?

[midnight patrol]

It got to the point I brought along a knife so I can switch to it for just only faster and less stamina consuming sprinting around

[viral nacelle]

Besides me 😢

[midnight patrol]

Then switched to the Helbore to vibe with

[snow pendant]

i moved to the new kantral laspistol

is great if u go for headshots

[half ginkgo]

the only disadvanatge of bayonet and helbore is how shit its on mk.3. Fatshark, plz, change bayonet on mk.3 to shovel. ty

[snow pendant]

and u zoom too

[viral nacelle]

Is it slower shooting heavier hitting?

[snow pendant]

exactly

[viral nacelle]

zoom you say

[nimble sentinel]

yarp, leagle

[viral nacelle]

Oh man that’s my shit right there

[serene sage]

It's actually tactical to die there so they respawn and clear corruption

[flat pebble]

i also just got a pretty decent purple base 379 mk3 shovel that’s basically unbrickable waiting for me when i log in to get mats for and upgrade to its last tier and i’m ready

[viral nacelle]

You aren’t wrong

[flat pebble]

new shovel feels nice

i wanna try it out

[serene sage]

A few time I purposely die to fire to heal, I make sure to let the team know though

[viral nacelle]

Spawn right behind elevator

Very nearby

[snow pendant]

if u are good at acquiring headshots and likes to zoom away from bad teammate decision making like shooting at a burster , is hella great

[midnight patrol]

This happens a lot when I'm trying to help a new friend level up to lvl 30

.. Hell said friend was doing it themselves xX

[viral nacelle]

This is why I maximum stamina lol

[snow pendant]

the laspistol let me run away from too many flame patches and burster detonation

[warm idol]

is anyone else having a lot more lag after this patch?

[snow pendant]

small sprint into slide : i am now in safe territory

[serene sage]

Yes. Me.

[viral nacelle]

“Oh you’re going to shoot the burster at me? Not today mfer”🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♀️ 🏃‍♀️

[warm idol]

tons of random lag spikes

that plus the fire damage

[viral nacelle]

My vet larps as a car

[warm idol]

is rather annoying

[serene sage]

Crashes too

[untold mulch]

In PUGs is

I hear a Poxbursters to the right......gonna look whats on the left, you idiots deal with that

[viral nacelle]

I haven’t noticed lag but new fire is fucking terrifying

[snow pendant]

new laspistol is powerful enough for u to backpedal and kill ragers even scab ones on a good enough pace given u dont backpedal into a wall

[viral nacelle]

Zealots all mocking it tho

[half ginkgo]

some lag but more obsious are random fps drops. also smelter complex end event is kinda bad for fps for me

[midnight patrol]

Also new Vets shooting the buster you are running at to push away with you 70+ mobility shovel

[snow pendant]

an aston martin that shoot lasers

[cosmic crag]

Drop the methods d

[south garnet]

true vet meta remains outpacing your teammates and therefore, the most dangerous threat in the game

[cosmic crag]

rn

[midnight patrol]

[viral nacelle]

They can’t murder you with incompetence if you outrun them!

[cosmic crag]

you wouldn’t download a car

[snow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-i-definitely-would-jj-watt-saturday-night-live-yes-yup-gif-16291887

[cosmic crag]

i would as well

[untold mulch]

Car.jpg

[near sable]

I would download many things

[snow pendant]

i would even download a girlfriend

[serene sage]

That's why I stop pushing busters and start shooting as well and make it someone else problem 😎

[viral nacelle]

you wouldn’t download a waifu

[near sable]

you don't

[untold mulch]

[snow pendant]

bet

[sudden dome]

in startrek you cna literally download a car

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/colonel-tavington-the-patriot-redcoat-shooting-revolutionary-war-gif-25646681

[bright ocean]

wtf did they do to the Hellbore 3? It's slow as dirt to swap weapons and THAN you can start to charge the shot. Man, this use to be a good gun.

[cosmic crag]

I, robutt

[sudden dome]

and they would totally do that

[south garnet]

you can download almost anything, the real issue now is manufacturing materials and quality control

[midnight patrol]

Rage quitting seems to have gotten quite commonplace in the Heresy matches I've done though

[snow pendant]

fires up limewire

[near sable]

don't play heresy

[viral nacelle]

Aim without pooping your pants: challenge level impossible

[midnight patrol]

You see someone die to stupid shit and bot replaces rhem right after lol

[serene sage]

Don't pirate your gf or you'll get viruses

[near sable]

I'm shitsing

[sudden dome]

leveling through malice is the hardest part of the game for me so far, Im regretting making a second character just because I have to play with them again

[cosmic crag]

I can’t believe this full movie is only 300kb compression algorithms have really come far

[south garnet]

my favorite is when someone whiny ragequits a match and everyone says the equivalent of "thank god" in chat

[snow pendant]

heresy is in a somewhat good rate to gain plasteel and clearing speed but the pub quality is what determines if u leave early or not

[viral nacelle]

Run instantly becomes 30% easier as good guy bot shoots specials, doesn’t ammo goblin and calls out goodies

[near sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939228138536308837/1048333912331534387/caption.gif

[snow pendant]

that is why u have antivirus

[near sable]

antiwirus

[midnight patrol]

.. admittedly bots are better at melee than most noobs

[serene sage]

Antiuwus

[cosmic crag]

auntie virus

[near sable]

number names

[midnight patrol]

Being able to survive against 12 poxwalkers in a corner for a few dozen seconds lol

[snow pendant]

nvr stick with teammate that dont have a brain like that ogryn chrging into a pack of armor

[raw steppe]

also bot has scav aura guaranteed

[cosmic crag]

I do it for your mama

[raw steppe]

unlike some ppl

[half ginkgo]

on malice? challenge level: impossible

[south garnet]

sometimes I wish wife had a hard reset feature

[untold mulch]

what

[viral nacelle]

My favorite is watching one idiot run into a mob of gunner and die, then the next idiot run in to res him and die, then the third idiot runs in to res those two and dies

[weary acorn]

whats considered the most useful all around shotgun? I'm using the slug variant atm, but I'm tempted to try out the incendiary variant

[raw steppe]

they're all good

[sudden dome]

how do I lock the 4th spot for only bots then, atleast I could have someone good on the team while leveling guaranteed

[snow pendant]

oh plz on malice some cant even survive one , just melee or shoot it instead of pushing

[viral nacelle]

You’d think at some point survival instinct would take over but no full on lemming mode

[serene sage]

We are not ammo bots #vetsrights #vetsauramatter

[sharp epoch]

KICKBACK BEST SHOTGUN

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/viktorbg-gif-25283495

[midnight patrol]

Guys I was saying a bot can survive that

[half ginkgo]

my favorite is watching an ammo goblin run into something nasty while having zero spatial awareness cuz them saw that sweet sweet ammo tin

[snow pendant]

i saw the same happen but with snipers

[scenic bronze]

#speedauraforever

[midnight patrol]

I was also saying the noobs cannot survive half of that lol

[snow pendant]

he thought he has fast res node

[untold mulch]

I need to play MGS3 again

[cosmic crag]

https://tenor.com/view/revoler-ocelot-gun-spinning-gun-twirl-cowboy-mgsv-gif-23219822

[near sable]

o c e l o t

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-revolver-ocelot-snake-metal-gear-gif-20687679

[snow pendant]

ultimate noob stomper , rager

[nimble sentinel]

wish me luck

[south garnet]

I was in a match where one person ended up hanging during a boss, second person went to grab them then got mutie'd and ended up hanging, third person went to see what was going on and got knocked by boss into hanging, last person went stealth to pick up hangers and the enemies coming to smash their fingers shoved him over, match ended with all four of us hanging right next to each other

[midnight patrol]

Well you now can with the spess cowboy revolver we got

[south garnet]

it was so funny I wasn't even mad

[cosmic crag]

“It’s up to you now snake”

shoots own feet off

[near sable]

raking fire 3; ghost 3

[midnight patrol]

Hah. So it truly does do more damage than a Kantrael MGIV lasgun

[half ginkgo]

aka normal pug on vigil station when pogryn spawns on a bridge section

[snow pendant]

" boss u shot a kid , good job boss"

[viral nacelle]

Always look on the bright side of life 🎼

[near sable]

No. No it doesn't.

[sudden dome]

and which one were you

[near sable]

MGIV has a 180~% modifier vs elites

up to 200 with 25% maniacs

[midnight patrol]

It does? It still feels like it suffers terribly against Flak

The laspistols don't

[near sable]

it doesn't get a modifier against flak

[south garnet]

I was the second domino lol

[near sable]

iirc

[midnight patrol]

They get infantry autogun damage models lol

[near sable]

It's strictly for beansing maniacs, the mg4

[snow pendant]

i want vs flak and maniac on my laspistol

[midnight patrol]

Don't get me wrong. The fact that one of my mg4 rolls I have an effective 500 rounds with 60 in the lasgun

It's like having an Agri or Graia IAG

But pew pew

[half ginkgo]

if we are talking random bullshit deaths my last one comes to mind - had some ruberband and i thought i dodged the mutie. nope. while hes was thrashing me, i got sniper'd and then yeet'd into burster. that was enough for that night

[south spindle]

@half ginkgo

[half ginkgo]

nice, thank you. will give it a spin

[midnight patrol]

The wombo combo trappered then bombered was mine. Wheh

[gilded rock]

Does weapon specialist attack speed speed up helbore charge speed?

[serene sage]

Opening Salvo over the other one?

[south garnet]

The last memorable funny loss I had was during a pretty desperate match, we were all low on ammo and ended up fighting a spawn on one of those exterior platforms on the 'desert' level where you carry power cells at the end. We barely avoided being knocked over the edge multiple times through sheer luck, managed to survive the horde, and just as we're finally coordinating and hear the audio cue for 'dead boss' the barrel it was sitting on that we unknowingly triggered exploded, sending all of us over the edge to instant death

[midnight patrol]

Trappers are super unforgiving when you have 200 ping playing with your US based friends

[snow pendant]

the worse i had was pogryn stomp / mutie yeeted into a daemonhost

and set it off

[south garnet]

Once again barrel proves itself the ultimate nemesis

[south spindle]

Ye, just so i dont have to wait as long between obtaining breakpoints with MF stacks coz the crit chance is higher for the first bit of the mag, same for Rending Strikes, it just eases up the requirements a bit, plus Rending benifits melee so its not totally worthless without talents relating to it

[serene sage]

I shoot every barrels

[mystic belfry]

My favorite is still when a my toe just yeets you into the abyss

[south garnet]

a wise choice

[half ginkgo]

you reminded me about one grim run where both grim holders got yeeted by the barrel

[south garnet]

karma baybeeee

[serene sage]

I also don't care if teammates are next to one, as long as it's not me

[south garnet]

based

[serene sage]

I would do a courtesy enemy here ping

and shoot

[snow pendant]

nice now u dont have corruption anymore

[mystic belfry]

Nah real gamers jump on the barrels then shoot

[serene sage]

I warned ya didn't I

[south garnet]

I've been knocked off ledges by fucking dogs jumping, not even at me

[south spindle]

Ahh the old "escape a shit situation by abusing physics" trick

[midnight patrol]

I get kinda angry when people choose grims to do that Melk contract instead of Scriptures

[snow pendant]

yeah is kinda bs how much push force hounds have

[serene sage]

Have you seen that reddit clip of the dog jumping on someone who just got pulled off ledge?

[south garnet]

HA, no

[humble nova]

gd 40k architecture with their no railings where you need them

[south spindle]

Lel, i pick Grims up in STG's to weed out the weaker players

[midnight patrol]

As though it wasn't hard enough watching them perma die to having only a single bar left of their two wounds of health.

[mystic belfry]

I got back on top of a ledge and ressed an ally that feel behind that way once

Only once but I’m still nursing the experience

[desert hawk]

OHSA not a big deal in the 40k universe

[south garnet]

I think the actual story arc being presented in darktide is that your superiors are lying to you. The people you're killing aren't heretics at all, but OSHA compliance officers sent to inspect tertium for railing compliance

[humble nova]

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[midnight patrol]

I have seen dogs yeet themselves off ledges while pouncing thoigh

[half ginkgo]

i just reroll if i see that contract. legit, i can finish 4 others faster combined, than books

[serene sage]

OSHA compliance officers
literally half naked dudes standing in sewers

[midnight patrol]

Shame no one gets the kill but it's funny watching a pupper shrink smaller lol

[south garnet]

I mainly get mad when ogryn do it in matches with players who clearly are only barely capable of handling the match as-is

[scenic bronze]

And when you move onto auric you check for maximum occupancy on surfaces

[snow pendant]

masterbaiter

[finite imp]

I literally don't understand why people bother with books. You get a few dockets. You can reroll melks tasks. All they do is hinder the team. If they effected the actual weapon drop quality it would be different but they don't. If you got more plasteel for grabbing them it would be different but you don't.

[viral nacelle]

I jumped off an area transition and got netted in midair which caused me to be teleported back up top. I was malding so hard

[tulip zenith]

Should I get this for 2770

[viral nacelle]

How trapper even made that shot 😂

[south garnet]

my favorite thing about this is that they stay locked in that midair animation frame if there's no ground beneath them, so it looks like someone hucked a stuffed dog over the edge

[serene sage]

neuron activation
shrimple as

[finite imp]

You're already playing damnation you're swimming in money wtf are you doing

[half ginkgo]

imagine if a picked script gave +10% to plasteel... and grim plus 20-25%

[frozen meadow]

what is best headhunter gun atm?

[finite imp]

I'd gobble them up

[half ginkgo]

3 or 7, personal pick

[serene sage]

so yes?

[viral nacelle]

Still lovin vrak7

[humble nova]

Been there, shit's tilting

[viral nacelle]

But you have to build for it

[finite imp]

If there was even ONE good reason to grab books I'd do it instantly

[south garnet]

I pick up scrips out of convenience, I either just don't point out grims if the team is far enough away or outright destroy them otherwise

[serene sage]

cause it's funni

[viral nacelle]

If dumb team I destroy them

[finite imp]

Shouldn't we be destroying them anyhow

They're heretical material

[viral nacelle]

I had one team carry them to end of mission elevator and then destroy both grims

[humble nova]

FOR THE EMPRAH

[humble nova]

https://tenor.com/view/block-blocked-report-gif-13913531

[south garnet]

Anyone who picks up a grim without asking, especially if others are having difficulty, is making a conscious choice in preventing me from picking them up the second they go down for something stupid

[viral nacelle]

The one guy was like “oh I didn’t know you could destroy books” and then the other guy was like “oh wow lemme try”

[midnight patrol]

Lmao yes!

[viral nacelle]

🤦‍♀️

[midnight patrol]

Just weeeee with their legs and everything all stiff

[snow pendant]

darwin got caught slacking again

[paper furnace]

every time they drop a new map i memorize the gunner squad spawns in my own blood, the only true teacher.

[idle dirge]

The only time I ever take grims is if I’m playing with friends and we’re leveling up new characters

[south garnet]

grims are fun, IF everyone is on board going in

Darktide's reward system is, unfortunately, shit though so largely there's no reason to pick up either at any point

[midnight patrol]

I should destroy any I find myself.

Not risking pubs picking them up when I look away

[south garnet]

if you're concerned about idiots, 100%

[serene sage]

do you know what no one is talking about? how they buffed Maelstrom green enemies to 40% extra HP

[south garnet]

yea I'm curious what the reasoning was for that. I guess people were tearing through them too quickly?

[midnight patrol]

Lol green enemy Rager

[serene sage]

that's terrifying cause green dogs (and I think every enemies for that matter) cannot be staggered with guns

[midnight patrol]

How to have a mini boss fight

[serene sage]

so green specialists are really really scary since they don't die in one shot and can't be staggered with ranged weapons

[midnight patrol]

God Ragers I tell you

Ravaging the Ex Stance Vet's ass near you

[serene sage]

shout doesn't knock down Bulwarks 😔

literally useless

[honest marsh]

But a shotgun does

[serene sage]

who uses shotguns

[honest marsh]

I have a really good roll on one, so me

[serene sage]

you're just wrong, sorry

[snow pendant]

me

[serene sage]

you're wrong, too

[honest marsh]

Idk how that's wrong

[serene sage]

it just is. i don't make the rules

[viral nacelle]

If I could find a good shotty I’d definitely use it

[honest marsh]

Have you tried not being a meta hugging scrub?

[viral nacelle]

But brunt hates me

[serene sage]

wrong

[viral nacelle]

What is the good shotty this patch?

Still the kantrael?

With the flame nuke special?

[honest marsh]

I use the Kan XI

[raw steppe]

theyre all good

[honest marsh]

Erm the IX

[serene sage]

which one is the fire one?

[wooden lotus]

kantrael's still ol reliable

[honest marsh]

The lawbringer is the only one I feel is roughly

[wooden lotus]

kantrael is fire

[serene sage]

agri is slug?

[honest marsh]

kantrael is fire

[merry oak]

should i buy this for milk bux?

[south garnet]

I had to do a little bit of soul searching over this one but I must reluctantly concede, accidentally based

[wooden lotus]

agripnaa balls is the slug, lawbringer is mediocrity

[snow pendant]

i use agrip 1 slug headshot with focus fire stacks most and 2 slug to the head for everything else

[serene sage]

law is the weird bleed scatter one

i know that

[honest marsh]

Nah

[snow pendant]

1 slug to open bulwark then empty the tube to kill them

[midnight patrol]

Kant IX can be made to be quite strong with the right builds tho.

[tall torrent]

No

[viral nacelle]

For the blessing yes but if you have no

[humble nova]

Wouldn't

[merry oak]

mmk

ty

[midnight patrol]

In Dammation its a solid all rounder with particularly decent horde clear

[honest marsh]

Melkbux should be used for blessings you need

[wooden lotus]

kant is great for dealing with waves, suppression, and stacking fire damage on bosses if you need to step away for a bit

[humble nova]

I like the Mk3 but Slaughterer is kinda meh

[viral nacelle]

I’d like to run it with a grenadier build so I can fire and bleed dot all the things

[south garnet]

Does anyone do the random melk items anymore since brunt's opened up?

[serene sage]

I think shottys can use a little more buff

[honest marsh]

Nah

[serene sage]

like just little

[merry oak]

i wouldint really know, been using the bayonet as my main melee weapon for awhile now

[flat pebble]

me use shotguns

[south garnet]

I feel like they need to really juice up those random items if they want people to do it like, ever

[humble nova]

Best part of Mk3 is the heavy is a horizontal swipe so it's easy to just pop hordes at head height

[honest marsh]

Faster reload or bigger mag either would be fine

[snow pendant]

mk1 or 2

[midnight patrol]

That's the exact build I ran for high 80k levels of bleed and burn

[serene sage]

dun care, didn't ask :3

[merry oak]

2

[viral nacelle]

Haven’t since I got burned on them in beta 😂

[snow pendant]

the fast charge

[flat pebble]

BUTnn 2&’mwvrhsisj

[midnight patrol]

Nade what is too inefficient for the Kant shots

[serene sage]

why is it called shotguns anyway
like it's a gun, obviously it will shoot

[humble nova]

Feel like the only reason to do random Milkman is if you have every tier 4 blessing unlocked already

[honest marsh]

Melk is just a scum sucking member of the inbred class. He only occasionally finds good blessings

[viral nacelle]

The little pellets it shoots are called shot

[humble nova]

And you're addicted to gambling

[serene sage]

calling it a shotgun is like calling spaghetti eatspaghetti

[midnight patrol]

Agri shotgun needs investing in left tree to make it efficient on Damnation though

[honest marsh]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1181680124156981299/femboy_blast.gif?ex=6581f060&is=656f7b60&hm=0df0bcbcdcc5ec8cf18fdfa936c16b69a5747b06bf10b9d3b9cbf0406a5706be&

[serene sage]

it should be obvious

[midnight patrol]

Otherwise you can annoyingly leave specials on slivers of health with glancing headshots

[viral nacelle]

it’s wildly ineffective

[serene sage]

got me 😔

[bitter scroll]

I feel like sooner or later the chainaxe will get nerfed. FS overbuffed it, I can almost 1-shot on Rager's head or 1 heavy rev Crusher so easily

[snow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-shots-shotsfired-gif-8291508

[serene sage]

how is its horde clear though

[south garnet]

chainaxe needs its time in the limelight

[honest marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/racist-meme-gif-27514290

[snow pendant]

horde clear wise is a self hazard

[midnight patrol]

Then that's balanced then!

If its a one trick pony it's okay

[serene sage]

it's like how adding allegedly to a sentence instantly make it funnier or, at least, more interesting

I am not racist, allegedly.

[honest marsh]

I have a video version to ecstacy of gold and it's absolutely hilarious

[serene sage]

Veteran is a good class, allegedly

[south garnet]

chainaxe has seen so little daylight it's turned transparent, gone blind and can't speak its native tongue anymore

[honest marsh]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hNpBjZZlS3Y?si=5dRvBJWGJo-T0rfv

[midnight patrol]

I need to see if I can make a proper Agri shotgun build but still have enough node points to squeeze in a decent shredder nade build

Because imma tell you guys. Agri shotgun really cannot thin out hordes unlike the other shotties whew

[serene sage]

I have never known your Mother, allegedly

[honest marsh]

[serene sage]

why we using gun as main horde clearer though

[viral nacelle]

Can you spam random dumb shit in the #zealot-class channel where they appreciate it?

[honest marsh]

I'm done, got it out of my system

[nimble sentinel]

I have thoughts on the leagle

Damage is fun, sound is great
Speed is shite, damage (while fun) is outclassed by a revolver, same with armor penetration, and taking advantage of shock trooper means you're investing so many points in the left tree you're better off going all in and taking a kantrael or HB

[honest marsh]

I like the new vet tree because I can take suppression immunity now on my build

[serene sage]

the fuck is the leagle

[honest marsh]

So I can actually go for headshots

[nimble sentinel]

new las pistol, las desert eagle

[flat pebble]

with special shots it’s pretty ammo efficient?

just the kant and lawbringer

[nimble sentinel]

I have decided we are calling it the leagle

[flat pebble]

idk about “main”

[nimble sentinel]

cope

[half ginkgo]

who was asking about 3 stam curios being hard to find? heres one in a shop

[tiny summit]

I want to take lasguns don't use ammo on crit without the extra ammo on my helbore.

[serene sage]

paid actor

[flat pebble]

do you ever need ammo on a helbore to justify shock trooper anyway?

[tiny summit]

I like shooting

[half ginkgo]

also found this on my vet. what to roll crit chance into?

[midnight patrol]

That's the thing I was implying yeah.

The Kant's primary is also pretty good when hip fired

[flat pebble]

check breakpoints to dreg/scab shotgunners and gunners

[tiny summit]

Also with shocktrooper sometimes I'll shoot a good amount and not realize I haven't used any ammo because it was all crits. Hitting reload and nothing happening lol

[serene sage]

flak for maulers?

[south garnet]

False, I don't get paid

[midnight patrol]

Flak so you can pretty much one or three tap anything from shooters to Maulers in the chest

[serene sage]

that makes it worse, silly

[south garnet]

I know

[half ginkgo]

flak it is then. ty guys

[flat pebble]

the mk7 meta used to be unarmored flak fwiw

[midnight patrol]

But man with Opening and Deadly.. not sure which to sacrifice for Surgical

[serene sage]

you want deadly on v7

deadly surg bis i think

[stuck vector]

does anyone know the min/max ranges for Longshot?

[serene sage]

10-24m, allegedly

[half ginkgo]

sounds about right

[serene sage]

but the damage bonus starts at 10%, not 0%

so you jump from 0% to 10% at min range

[midnight patrol]

Still hoping one day they woukd add cleave to the Vraks mk7

I want that delicious semi auto rifle punching through multiple rotten heads.

[serene sage]

tfw a revolver has better cleave than a semiauto refile

[half ginkgo]

would be enough if it would punch through one fat friendly ogryn ass in fornt

[agile plaza]

has anyone noticed the revolver have ghost rounds after this update?

[midnight patrol]

Pain indeed.

[humble nova]

?

[flat pebble]

hit reg has been an issue for forever

[agile plaza]

Ive been shooting dudes in the head and blood goes everywhere but i get no hit markers and they just scurry away to hide

[stuck bridge]

every single gun does. ive had dudes with glowing laz wounds in there faces take no damage. Same with kickback on ogryn

[humble nova]

yeah that's hit registration failure

been happening for a long time

[agile plaza]

ive never noticed until this patch

[flat pebble]

that sounds fortunate

[dense glade]

I've been having plasma shots not render the projectile a lot

[agile plaza]

lol i must be lucky

[humble nova]

It makes the revolver unusable for me

I get mega tilted when I shoot a gunner in the face and it just keeps firing like nothing happened

[agile plaza]

that shit literally just happened to me and pissed me off so bad

[drowsy kayak]

yeah it feels really weird when i tested the new one today

[humble nova]

it's why I switched to auto gun

[calm prairie]

It makes any really precise gun above an infantry lasgun annoying asf for me

[humble nova]

At least when one of those shots doesn't register you have four more coming right behind it

[drowsy kayak]

going back to my slug shotty

[humble nova]

This specific bug has already been called out with the plasma since the update

[nimble sentinel]

what does a new revolver boss melting build look like?

[dense glade]

yeah, I figured it'd be common enough since it's happening multiple times per mission

[midnight patrol]

Hit reg is why sometimes I have to pull off a game saving shot on a bomber and I just get the fleshy sound

[stuck bridge]

take all of the orange +damage when class ability nodes

[midnight patrol]

Bomber yeets a nade into the elevator front we're boxed in and RiP

[stuck bridge]

with focus target

[raw steppe]

are you using volatile

[nimble sentinel]

phoque

[dense glade]

no, my plasma has gets hot and gloryhunter

[raw steppe]

run and gun

actually might be really good

it gives 10% close damage and 60% spread reduction

as per patch 14

[dense glade]

real cowboy gun

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/burns-me-up-upset-sad-angry-frustrated-gif-16434342

[brisk sapphire]

had 3/4 of the team go down to fire at once multiple times today

deletes health so fast

[sleek garden]

New fire is insane

[dense glade]

I was really happy to see that fire no longer instantly deletes your toughness

[median hawk]

new fire just ignore toughness and oneshots lol

[dense glade]

I was less happy to find out that it just deletes you instead now

[sleek garden]

I watched a poor vet get bombed and he went from full HP to dead in literally 2 seconds

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-arresteddevelopment-burns-burning-gif-6051414

[serene sage]

Time to put Thy Grenade Be Swift back in the game

Clearly that's the only option

[sleek garden]

?

[serene sage]

We used to have complete stun immunity

[south garnet]

I am going to go full nade build tonight. Fight fire with fire. Bomber throws something at me, I throw something back

[serene sage]

But not anymore

And it saddens me

[flat pebble]

it’s not the slowdown that’s the problems it’s the fire damage is bugged to high heavens though

[serene sage]

But you have more chances to run if you're not stunned

[sleek garden]

They did say it's overtuned and will be addressed I heard

[south garnet]

Shooting them is too cold, too calculated, too impersonal. I want the bomber to know I had this grenade saved specifically for this moment, the one they chose to wrong me in, and for which they are about to be so righteously punished

[flat pebble]

you can just really easily walk out of fire now wdym

[midnight patrol]

Shame we don't have white phosphorus nades for Vet

[flat pebble]

i just wanna poke em with my shovel. i want the last thing going through their head to be something that makes a bonk noise

[serene sage]

Play stealth vet, approach them, but don't kill them, only knock the nade off their hand with shove so they choke in their own flames

[midnight patrol]

Giving smoke nades such an effect would nake them interesting though.

[south garnet]

shovel my beloved

[serene sage]

Then tbag on their corpses

[midnight patrol]

Initial pop sends a literal cloud of burning fragments that set everyone on maybe 6 or more stacks of burn

[calm prairie]

Make smoke grenades extinguish flames

[south garnet]

I still think smoke should either put out fires or stun enemies caught in it

[flat pebble]

i want smoke to explode if it touches fire

that’s my take. it sounds incredibly dangerous and not useful

[stuck bridge]

by the time you throw a smoke and it goes off fire is gone

[flat pebble]

and so i want it

[south garnet]

Maybe, but it could also prevent new fire bombs/flame from sticking to the floor

[midnight patrol]

Also you can't tell me Willy Pete isn't a very 40k type weaponry

[south garnet]

If you're getting bombed out like london, huck a smoke

[midnight patrol]

Chemical weapon and effective smoke screen?

Why not lol

[serene sage]

Would you play smoke if the reserve gets increased to 10 and you regen one every 30s?

Current smoke, no change

[brisk sapphire]

smoke eerwhere

that'd be annoying to other players

[south spindle]

Smoke should be where Shredders are. Change my mind

[serene sage]

I know I would

[finite imp]

If it was that stupid I would

[south garnet]

Another reasonable buff to make smoke... I want to say more useful, but in truth what I mean is at all useful... would be to have the vision reduction continue to apply to any enemies that walk through it, like viscous membrane-burning fumes

[serene sage]

It would be funny as shit

[finite imp]

Nerve gas

https://tenor.com/view/im-here-jigsaw-saw7-saw3d-coming-gif-21902171

GAS

[obtuse raft]

Making it into tear gas would definitely be a interesting direction for it.

[brisk sapphire]

deathfog

[finite imp]

DEADLY GAS WILL FILL THE LEVEL

[tall torrent]

Just give everybody inside smoke a buff to survivability, could be toughness regen, stamina regen or some sort of cloaking

[south garnet]

So if you see a pillar of gunners running to place from their spawn, huck a smoke and anyone it touches ends up blinded for let's say ANOTHER 15 seconds after they touch the smoke - so it's not just one smoke for 15 secs in one little area, and that's it

[finite imp]

Cocaine nade

[serene sage]

given the state of vets right now, buffing smokes on an already strong class seems unreasonable

[south garnet]

Or make enemies inside stagger more easily

[serene sage]

i think smoke will stay this way for a while

[tall torrent]

I’d rather they sort the aura/ammo problem out without nerfing vet again

[raven crane]

I wish smoke affected melee units at all.

[south garnet]

Maybe, but the primary utility they should be measured against is... other vet grenades. And they are appreciably worse than both in basically every way except griefing

[sleek garden]

You can actually notice smokes affecting shooter accuracy

[tall torrent]

But current tree is like the best vet’s got yet

[sleek garden]

Also if you use smoke on yourself melee might target someone else I believe

[tall torrent]

And I wouldn’t count on a 4th revision

[raven crane]

It makes shooters reposition but it doesn't noticably change melee guys

[serene sage]

current tree is too strong

[midnight patrol]

I can vibe with a smoke based tear gas grenade

[south spindle]

10% of what ever ammo is picked up by other teammates in coherency is given as an equivilent amount to Vet, sorted, doesnt break other characters, keeps ranged class ammo economy, fixed

[serene sage]

but im happy Reddit whiners are there so they won't nerf it further

[south garnet]

revising nodes can be done without revising the tree, it happens every patch

[sleek garden]

Does anyone else pay veteran line a call of duty guy with the laser gun

[tall torrent]

Some nodes still can use changes here and there for sure

[sleek garden]

I like killing all the shooters one by one and all the specials in a few hits

[raven crane]

I've done melee vet since beta

[sleek garden]

I feel like I actually contribute

[serene sage]

it is not an Aura then, aura should effect everyone, that's the "spirit" of an aura

[obtuse raft]

Just conceptually smokes are kinda odd to me regardless because if I want to disrupt ranged blobs I've already got frags to lob at them for damage+stagger+suppress.
It doesn't even do it's job much better than the damage pick.

[south spindle]

Counterpoint; Loner

They dont have to be team effects to be functional

[serene sage]

yes but it's more of a special case

[south spindle]

Aye, though there is no reason the ammo aura couldnt be an exception too

[south garnet]

Exactly. Smoke is worse for every use case I can think of except for incredibly specific white room scenarios that never actually occur in a match

[flat pebble]

tried explaining how bolters can be used to good effect on vet to zealot chat and that they’re not bad and got met with “it’s a revolver but shittier” and i’m not sure people even want to find a way to enjoy the bolter

[sullen scarab]

What are the best Perks for plasma gun nowadays? Variable based on what mission you're going on?

[midnight patrol]

I actually do wonder if irritants or chemical weapons woukd affect nurgle blessed beings though.

[south spindle]

Its one of the strongest guns in the game currently

[south garnet]

At least, as smokes currently exist - they could have a niche, they just don't

[tall torrent]

This is what too much revolver does to someone

[south spindle]

People are slow on reddit an steam forums

[spark helm]

Easier to stay in the same lanes than try something different

[sullen scarab]

Keep bouncing between these two. I feel like +Carapace isn't as necessary because usually my entire team is wailing on the carapace enemies anyways.

[midnight patrol]

I know biological weaponry is useless on them. But they still use biological mechanics that should be still exploitable?

[serene sage]

you are right, it is arbitrary
but I think exceptions should remain, well, exceptional
we can't just handwave the team requirement of an aura like that

[spark helm]

Already had ppl in here claiming wep spec is bad because you need to interact with swapping

[flat pebble]

it’s just nuts because it’s like 15 free elite/special kills per mag and it has excellent crits and AOE and people are like ugh i hate bolter i only get to use it for 2 seconds at a time and the reload takes a century

[sullen scarab]

I saw that last night LOL

[south spindle]

Its more of a balancing thing than anything else, to retain Vet ammo economy without breaking other characters, it has to be a selfish aura or its gamebreaking

[flat pebble]

man that’s the definition of a skill issue

stop magdumping bolter exclusively you’re dumb

[south spindle]

Its sad it has to be like that, but to retain the ammo economy, its basically the only option

[south garnet]

bolter is still a very solid pick. it's lost a little of its niche to other weapons, but it can still do several things in combination that no other weapon can cover. namely, a mixture of ridiculous magdumps to make problems go away no matter how dense, combined with decent ammo management, accuracy, and sniping

[serene sage]

generally i don't disagree with you. i don't have a solution, i just think it should remains "team based" somehow

[haughty summit]

best blessings for new sapper shovel?

[flat pebble]

the changes since p13 did not help it for zealot but the finesse change made it very smooth on vet but it’s vet so

[south spindle]

Thats fair, i hope a better suggestion does crop up in time, because man, that shit is a proper doozie to get right

[serene sage]

easy access to Determine help the boltgun a lot

[south garnet]

bolter is a vet weapon anyway. no I don't care about lore

[serene sage]

it got indirect buffs imo

at least for vets

[spark helm]

Smoke isn't at all great by nature of bring associated with shredder and krak is fun

[south spindle]

Ngl, i dont know why Boltgun was made avaliable for Zealot in the first place, its so counterintuitive to thier general playstyle

[spark helm]

I like ut

[tall torrent]

And survivalist is a weird one because it’s the only aura that significantly varies in strength between difficulties

[flat pebble]

magdumping elite packs as a zealot makes sense to me conceptually

[south spindle]

Very true tbh

[flat pebble]

i don’t know that they could be trusted to like, maintain said bolter though

[half ginkgo]

so all the adepta sororitas cosplayers could get on their jam

[south spindle]

Aye, conceptually, but its hugely ammo inefficient and the other mechanics, such as draw time, simply dont fit with the class mechanics

[midnight patrol]

That and sometimes shooting a 12 to 20mm sized hypervelocity APHE rocket has a very different neuron activation than a pew of plasma.

[tall torrent]

U got all these new players (Xbox launch + steam topseller) coming in and most aren’t gonna be playing damnation or aurics
So a large enough portion of the data will see that survivalist is not contributing as much

[tiny summit]

And the talent giving reload speed stacks on melee kills makes reloading it tolerable

[south spindle]

Haha, .65cal explosive projectile makes enemy go splat

[flat pebble]

i can see your point, agree to disagree

[half ginkgo]

would it be too much to ask to reduce the pull out animation on bolter slightly? like 0.3-0.5 seconds

[tiny summit]

Mag dump, cut some chaff, reload

[midnight patrol]

My only gripe is that sometimes the HE filler actually works against it

[serene sage]

that would be the day, wouldn't it

[flat pebble]

yeah this feels like a balance choice made in a now totally irrelevant meta

[midnight patrol]

A revolver can dome like 10 people in a line because it doesn't push them away

The bolt shell does lol

[south spindle]

Boltgun gets Pinning though, which raises breakpoint capability substantially by virtue of the stagger

[south garnet]

100%, I love the feel of bolter. I really hope for once FS doesn't listen to the bitching and change the ready time/animation just to bring it in line with some other weapons, it's part of the charm and along with the sound and animations makes it more fun to play. Plus it gives a good reason to use it with ex stance

And a reason to make it more annoying for classes with non-shooter specialties to use

Which, it should be

[flat pebble]

i think they could still make the weapon feel clunky without it statistically being clunky

[tall torrent]

They’re prob gonna take all this feedback and give us a boltpistol with faster draw speed as a Boltgun variant

[spark helm]

I'm having a class crisis again because I'm just about done almost with my vet arsenal.

Zealot is right there and I really want to try setting up a stealth build to try and finish them off right before smoke happens.

[midnight patrol]

Bruh I won't say no to a 1/4 or 1/3 reduction in the swap speed thoigh

[serene sage]

it's a tiny bit of time, a literal fraction of a second

bolter will still feel clunky and powerful, as it should

[flat pebble]

the animation already has the wielder handling it like it feels like a boat to them

[midnight patrol]

But I am learning a bit how to manage said swap speed

[south spindle]

I wouldnt complain about that tbh

Boltpistol could be really fuckin cool

[flat pebble]

god i want a bolt pistol so bad tbh

[south garnet]

I think it needs mechanical buffs to preserve its niche, I don't think it needs manipulation of the ready time

[wooden lotus]

plasma pistol would be neat as well

[south spindle]

Aye it would

[midnight patrol]

Just a bit annoying in a sandbox that has other bigger fish that make it not as potentially broken as FS thought

[flat pebble]

something has to give at any rate

[midnight patrol]

So I feel they can let the Bolter breathe a little

[south spindle]

Idk man.. it is pretty broken on a dedicated setup

[south garnet]

Yeah, the bolter is just being crowded out by the multitude of options right now

[south spindle]

One shot everything except Crusher an Mutie is pretty fuckin stronk

[south garnet]

Needs its identity re-solidified

[wooden lotus]

plasma feels easier to use while being relatively close to the same intended power level as the bolter imo

so idk

[flat pebble]

part of the problem is anything that might make the bolter feel fine again on zealot might make it goofy busted on vet

[wooden lotus]

bolter with less clunk, more ammo would be nice but im not game designer

[half ginkgo]

a small amount of general buffs could help - ammo reserve a bit, slight reduction to ready and reload anims. not sure if it needs a bit of dmg, i havent' checked bps on it in a while. sway can stay as it is

[flat pebble]

it needs damage on zealot but not on vet. it’s not a great scenario for balancing

[midnight patrol]

I mean, that can be done with any of the revolver marks or the plasma

[south spindle]

Imo its one of those things thats balanced, but is right on the cusp of being overtuned, buff it even slightly in any one area and it suddenly becomes hugely dominant

[tall torrent]

Karnak twins dropping in for an ambush just to get blown to smithereens by one high-on-stimms vet with 1 Boltgun mag

[midnight patrol]

Just feels bad the Bolter has fallen a bit of a ways back

[flat pebble]

yea this is what i’m getting at too

[half ginkgo]

i would say then rework zealot ranged dmg node. its already meh, and the mid tree in itself is meh on zel, most of it anyway

[fallen geyser]

Has this gone well?

[south garnet]

this is why they shouldn't have had so many weapons be shared between vastly divergent classes - ogryn doesn't have this issue. Their stuff is balanced against their class, their talents, their blessings, and doesn't have to be cross-referenced against everything else in the game to be consistently useful in its niche

[flat pebble]

and balancing it between two classes with wildly different capabilities with ranged weapons is insane

[midnight patrol]

Ex Stance with all the funny damage buffing talents tied to it?

[south spindle]

Give Psyker Psi-Bolter (dont for the love of god) 😂

[flat pebble]

ranged node is nearby damage, the problem with zealot bolter rn is that it can’t flex as a viable dmr anymore so that doesn’t really address it

[glass orchid]

Is it just me, or are the vet's shoulderpads on the new cosmetic a little too bulky

[tall torrent]

Thank the emperor zealots don’t get to use helbore or idk what they’d have done with bayonet charge + chastise the wicked

[midnight patrol]

That sounds like Voidstrike in a very long winded sentence

[south garnet]

As far as I'm concerned, zealot gets bolter as an olive branch - if you want to use it fine but that's on you, no guarantee it will be "ace" like on vet. In fact, since you get bolter, give vet flamer.

[tall torrent]

Yea

[south spindle]

Slap Kreig gasmask helmet on it, makes proportions look better 🙂

[south garnet]

There, now we're equal

[hoary lantern]

Does 50% Toughness damage reduction from Iron Will and another 50% from Hunter's Resolve make you invulnerable?

[nimble sentinel]

that's just James Workshop for ya

[obtuse raft]

The plot armor is stored in the pauldrons.

[hardy ember]

Hot shot lasguns when?

[midnight patrol]

A friend showed me the exact build with the spess cowboy revolver

[flat pebble]

i’d be fine with this if they figured out how to make bolter good again on zealot without making it broken

[midnight patrol]

Man does it dip into the Bolter's niche now

[half ginkgo]

it would be multiplicative so 75% total

[flat pebble]

flamer would probably be great on vet with survivalist, the ammo cap talent and the reload talents

[south garnet]

for real, yea

[serene sage]

How we killing snipers though

[glass orchid]

Oh yeah that looks a lot better wtf

[south garnet]

that's the zealot's problem!

[half ginkgo]

most vets don't anyway 🤷

[south spindle]

Visual manipulation of perspective 😄

[serene sage]

Perfect

[tall torrent]

I hate the gas mask on the Krieg helmet clipping through every collar known to man

[obtuse raft]

Frag to the forehead.

[glass orchid]

Just throw the flamer at the sniper

[south garnet]

vetlot and zeteran

[midnight patrol]

When a Krieger gets extra protein rations

[south spindle]

Its a little annoying, but eh, i can live with it

[glass orchid]

Simple as, as long as you ain't weak

[hoary lantern]

What do smoke grenades actually do?

[midnight patrol]

Tactical griefing

[south garnet]

stink up the valkyrie next time masozi goes to get groceries

[tall torrent]

They make gunners & reapers shoot at your last-known position continuously, and force shooters to either reposition or rush into melee into the smoke

[hoary lantern]

Do they block your teammates vision too?

[south spindle]

With this

[serene sage]

It creates a wall to enemies outside and basically nothing for enemies inside

[tall torrent]

Yes

[hoary lantern]

Lmao well never mind then

[half ginkgo]

except snipers. they dgaf about smoke nades

[south garnet]

no, we can see the horde of silent maulers perfectly through the opaque wall of gray

[midnight patrol]

Your Vet must have spent some time in spess middle east with that getup

[half ginkgo]

yeah, strong Talarn vilbes

[serene sage]

Did they nerf stealth boys?

[south spindle]

He's got to cover up his face for.. reasons...

[serene sage]

You get revealed when rescuing/rezzing?

[midnight patrol]

Are talarn kleptomaniacs? lol

[hoary lantern]

Afterwards yes

[south spindle]

Yes.. just a totally normal guardsman with a thieving habit with absolutely the correct number of arms..

[half ginkgo]

in short - a loose cannon vet

[midnight patrol]

As long as he steals the stims from the druggie zealot am okies with him on the squad

[shrewd sierra]

Sounds like heresy

[midnight patrol]

We don't need a meth head zealot thanks

[south spindle]

Actually yes

[south spindle]

Ngl, been popping those things like candy since they put em in

Med station? Fuck that, I need drugs 😄

[serene sage]

Yeah I just use it right the way

They give that shit out like candies

Everywhere you go

It's like Philadelphia

[half ginkgo]

stab that martyrdom zealot with health stimm, you know, you wanna do it

[south spindle]

Loool

[obtuse raft]

Everyone just grabs the drugs and holds onto them the whole match so far. They are everywhere so I just sample as I go practically

[midnight patrol]

It's bouncing around on Reddit lol

[south spindle]

That could be funny as fuck

[midnight patrol]

People supplying Marty zealots with Healthcare lol

[south garnet]

singing the canadian anthem over voice

[south spindle]

Who knew you could get free healthcare int 41st millenium At least... Healthcare that didnt involve you become a servitor

[nimble sentinel]

aight how do I instakill bosses?

[flat pebble]

i’m gonna start doing this

[eternal depot]

Just saying.... wont say no to free healthcare

[midnight patrol]

Captain Wolfer's recon teams tracking our progress by bodies and stim injector casings lol

[flat pebble]

as a zealot main i do not enjoy martydom zealots who refuse to heal. bitch the damage buff will be back up when you need it

you making this team more unstable to random fuckery due to greed is dumb

[mystic belfry]

I won’t heal on martyr until I’m reasonably low

[visual remnant]

U WILL NOTZ HEAL ME

I DO NOT GIVEZ CONSENT

KYAAA

[serene sage]

go to nurgle infested area
see random needles lying around
immediately stick it to your teammates
profit

[mystic belfry]

If I’m missing like half or less I’ll skip it

[visual remnant]

U will NOT sticke me w ur NEEDLE

[serene sage]

Kinda based

[flat pebble]

cica what are you doing here

[visual remnant]

i'm a stwong.. independent martyr..

https://tenor.com/view/niko-oneshot-gfhd-fire-gif-26311370

[midnight patrol]

"SHHHHH. The morphine is good for you, see!"

[obtuse raft]

Nurgle infested area where we know for a fact that they are SPECIFICALLY contaminating stimms

[visual remnant]

i have been here a longe time childe

since august..

of last yr..

[flat pebble]

they have the double headed eagle on them they’re legit it’s totally okay they’re not stickers

[visual remnant]

im an olde garde..

[obtuse raft]

🧠

[nimble sentinel]

Unarmored to Unyielding and Gloryhunter to Hand Cannon?

[south garnet]

the ability to stab teammates with needles potentially against their will is so perfectly thematic

[half ginkgo]

and by zealots screaming blessed emperor bless this holy crack

[flat pebble]

a month before the first beta? yeesh

[midnight patrol]

Zealots on Celerity. All of it

[mystic belfry]

Why would you ever trade glory over run n gun lmao

[flat pebble]

but also i meant vet chat specifically u butt

[midnight patrol]

We haven't figured out how much they could handle yet. But the record seems to be 15

[nimble sentinel]

I don't fkn know I'm the las gun enthusiast not the texas ranger with the big iron on his hip

[sand hemlock]

its high nyoon somewhere

[mystic belfry]

Run n gun is 100% useless it might as well be an empty blessing

Glory is decent

[nimble sentinel]

ballin, otherwise am I right tho?

[mystic belfry]

Ye, it doesn’t have the slot to be a compete boss killing meme but that will do

[nimble sentinel]

recession's slapping me in the nuts

[nimble sentinel]

dang it, what do I need to kill bosses?

[south garnet]

consecrate? in THIS economy?!

[flat pebble]

inflations crazy

[mystic belfry]

You can kill bosses with those changes

[flat pebble]

you see the price of a cup of corpse starch with a plate of corpse starch lately?

[midnight patrol]

Honestly you just need Ex Stance memery stacking

[mystic belfry]

But stacking weak point damage or roulette as second blessing is better

[midnight patrol]

That's what's carrying all these boss killing memes

[nimble sentinel]

beans

[midnight patrol]

But a bit on the blessings and perks helps a lot of course

[mystic belfry]

You also want as high critical as possible on your gun and deadshot

[south garnet]

don't tell me what I want

[visual remnant]

i was in the closed betas

dont tell any glooper..

[nimble sentinel]

crafting system is bs I'm gonna play dwarf fortress instead

[visual remnant]

but i took scweenshotz..

[mystic belfry]

You want to shoot the barrel

[visual remnant]

so what do the like

stimz do

like the celerity one or whatevz

[midnight patrol]

I am not used to furry talk outside of the furry servers I'm in. This is very uncomfortable. Whew

[visual remnant]

the otherz r p intuitive

[mystic belfry]

Exactly what they say in the patch notes

[serene pagoda]

didn't this ability used to last 10 seconds?

[mystic belfry]

No it was always trash

[serene sage]

No it's been 5s

[serene pagoda]

[serene sage]

Used to be 20% I think

[midnight patrol]

I find it funny they had to make efforts to fix the issue where melee attacks could stick you against a barrel till it exploded

[mystic belfry]

Before the first rework

[mystic belfry]

They should add it back in

[cosmic crag]

I forgot how to shoot gun

[mystic belfry]

Try right alt

[midnight patrol]

People chainsawing barrels and stuck till the animation finished

[cosmic crag]

praise the emprah

[flat pebble]

was there more than one? i thought the closed beta was in like october

[midnight patrol]

Or when the barrel blew up. Whi he error came first

[visual remnant]

there were two

[mystic belfry]

Funny as fuck

[visual remnant]

there was a first round with like no wpns or cosmetics

and then another round w some cosmetics and wpns

and then the preorder beta

that started in novemeber iirc

[flat pebble]

oooo i did the second one

[obtuse raft]

It's ult CDR. Enough to get multiple off during the duration for most stuff

[flat pebble]

i’ll have u know i’m semi old garde

i’ve been in and out of here since like december or so

[south spindle]

https://youtu.be/VPp4NbKEHOI?si=29cCJ2-4Ie1aiZBK Very fitting for BAG gaming 😄

[midnight patrol]

Honestly. I didn't even know that was possible until they mentioned it in the patch notes

Now I feel cheated.

[visual remnant]

tank u

[outer wolf]

Is it worth reaching out to any of the major keystones?

[half ginkgo]

Celerity Stimm
Lasts 15 seconds.
Increase in Reload Speed 15%.
Reduction in Stamina Costs -25% for Pushing, Blocking, -50% for sprinting.
Increases Attack Speed by 20%.
Increase the following by 25%:
Charge up time of Plasma guns, Psyker’s Brain Burst and Psyker Staves.
The speed of which the Psyker’s Smite propagates between enemies.
Speed of which the Psyker can throw Shards using Assail.
Speed of which the Psyker Quells their Peril.

except ppl say its bugged and actually increases the charge time/speed

[south garnet]

I tend to only grab keystones out of convenience unless I'm building around one specifically

[obtuse raft]

Oh celerity is the speed pot, I guess I got them mixed up

[serene pagoda]

im not sure how i feel about them

the healing stim is great tho

[serene sage]

except ppl say its bugged and actually increases the charge time/speed
what's up with FS and mistaking + for - lol

[midnight patrol]

Celerity is Crack? Sounds fun

[lavish dove]

hey, i have a question regarding marked for death penance on veteran, can i complete this if i have voice of command talented? The penance says i need to get the 4 weakpoint hits during volley fire but the game is pretty vague on descriptions. Anyone knows?

[half ginkgo]

yeah, yellow is the concentration stimm

[serene sage]

you need exec stance I believe

[visual remnant]

holy shit

[south garnet]

they've been sampling their own wares

[visual remnant]

bigger tank u

mwah

[lavish dove]

thank you!

[visual remnant]

that'z awzom

[midnight patrol]

Why am I not surprised the felinid is most interested in the crack stim lol

[noble onyx]

Personally I'd say to stick with other talents over keystones

[hard cave]

veterans when they see another vet using the bolster

[obtuse raft]

They are the potions from VT2 basically, they will be really useful once people get the hang of when to pop them.
If it works the same way the damage pot will juice your armor pen stupid high and allow almost everything to just mulch elites

[serene pagoda]

cant wait till we start getting curios passive

surelly

[noble onyx]

Having a way to heal wound corruption via stims is definitely nice.

[half ginkgo]

red pot actually gives 25% pen on top of 25% dmg

[serene pagoda]

[south spindle]

Excuse me, on my way to suck up some stims and kill Crusher with Shredder

[trim steppe]

Friendly reminder that fire is borked atm and fire resistance curios don't really help (much)

[serene sage]

we should be able to inject enemy Crusher with stims

[flat pebble]

i think the mistake was charge time stat increase means a decrease but charge time speed increase means a decrease

[serene sage]

we should be able to inject enemies in general

speed stim dogs, anyone?

[noble onyx]

Stimm up Chaos Spawns with speed

[flat pebble]

oh so last december’s dogs

[serene sage]

yes

[half ginkgo]

crusher or mauler on speed celerity. +50% attack speed

[midnight patrol]

So i basically load my Vraks mk7 with APFSDS rounds for 15 seconds?

[half ginkgo]

sorta yeah

[mystic belfry]

Damage stim sniper

[noble onyx]

Stimm up an enemy sniper to one-shot your

Damnit

[vast ferry]

Hear me out, what if we could make them overdose and die?

[serene sage]

problem is you have to walk up to them

I propose that we are able to throw stim like darts

[midnight patrol]

I can vibe with this.

[serene sage]

if it hits teammates they get buffed

[cosmic aurora]

Idk about you but sometimes snipers just walk up to me and I feel bad cutting them down in melee

[serene sage]

if you miss, well, the enemies get it

[south spindle]

Blowdart pipe when?

[midnight patrol]

Now to see if I can take all the red crack for myself.

[noble onyx]

There are times where a bunch of snipers chill around a corner

[half ginkgo]

ogryns new blitz - a box of stimms. throw a box with stimms, juicing up an enemy with all 4. flak, cara and unyielding receive double the buff

[serene sage]

a new meaning to the Lynchpin talent

[pliant spire]

Guys, what blessings I should be on lookout? Especially rare stuff with can only be only one lvl of rarity. Like shotgun blessings.

[half ginkgo]

literal at that

[serene sage]

now with the Druglord update

[obtuse raft]

Vet rework 4 replaces the stealth tree with chem dog themed medic tree

[midnight patrol]

Or the Oggy can throw it at the Zealot

[noble onyx]

I still want boxes to have a chance to contain different grenades

[midnight patrol]

And watch them turn purple.

[mystic belfry]

Ogryn ult being a box you throw that drops one random stim on impact

[vast ferry]

That would be so cool honestly!

[half ginkgo]

yeah, and make it random from all classes. never know if you gonna roll 4 kraks... or 4 smokes

[obtuse raft]

Oops all kraks

[midnight patrol]

Lmao.