veteran-class

[inner drift]

wew that's a good chax

[slow spade]

Its good to have the data here though in case someone actually searches it up

[toxic leaf]

oh no wonder the mk6 chews hordes so easily lol

[south spindle]

Not infinite, its capped to 4

[carmine cradle]

is it?

[south spindle]

Anything after 4 takes cleave distribution damage

Yep

[slow spade]

I wish it was infinite

[carmine cradle]

whats that compared to slaughterer exra cleave?

[slow spade]

The thing is psword does like 2000 damage on cleave so it'll kill like 10 guys before stopling

[south garnet]

for me the cherry is the bonus weakspot damage, which in combination with the weakspot and finesse damage nodes, is just lovely

[slow spade]

"Fuck bosses"

[carmine cradle]

yeah its kinda goofy

[carmine cradle]

the fact that the 30% weakspot node applies to melees is dumb

[south garnet]

no

close your mouth

[south spindle]

BM isnt cleave, its ignoring hitmass, cleave is the value that dictates how much damage hits further targets after the first, up to the target cap of the weapon, typically, the further into the cleave the weapon gets, the less damage it deals, until it hits its target cap

[serene sage]

just wait until they announce Exhil Takedowns applies to melee as well

imagine that

[cosmic crag]

what did they fight with 3000 years ago

[south garnet]

god I wish

[serene sage]

dear lord how OP vets would be

[cosmic crag]

i think it was spears n shit

[slow spade]

Imagine if Eviscerator had brutal momentum 😩

[cosmic crag]

i wonder if a headstab would be critical

[carmine cradle]

it would be VERY dumb

idk if i would take it tho

[south spindle]

So like OG Ogryn shovel had a target cap of 3, the first one would take full damage, the second would take damage, but a large reduction, and the third would take basically nothing (this was changed, but is an easy example)

[carmine cradle]

crits r funny

[slow spade]

ET on melee + Born Leader just to make sure no one dies ever

[gusty bison]

Extremely

[crisp bronze]

Even though it's capped at 4 it's still the best Power Sword blessing in my opinion. Brutal Momentum helps with everything the PS is already good at and takes it to a new level. With no activation requirement either, you just have it active all the time. It's amazing.

[inner drift]

you can also hit groaner breakpoint with BM with no charge active

[carmine cradle]

the way someone explained it to me is the enemies hitmass is subtracted from the cleave amount, so ignoring hitmass means you subtract 0 from the cleave value

[inner drift]

which makes it surprisingly good just swinging into trash

[frigid brook]

Do veterans have any helmets with nice voice filters? Or is it just psyker and zealot currently?

[slow spade]

Sadly none that I've seen

[cosmic crag]

knowledge. straight to the dome.

[south garnet]

don't think so

[slow spade]

Not even the krieg skin

I wish we could the Zealot one

[south spindle]

P'much yeah, thats a more succinct explanation

[south garnet]

Vet should get a loudspeaker instead of a voice scrambler

[slow spade]

Sounds like a villain lol

[fossil fable]

Ogryn has some too

[carmine cradle]

zealot needs some better free helmets

current ones are ass

[frigid brook]

Damn, wanted to hear what my soldier sounds like with one 😔

[carmine cradle]

well if you ALWAYS subtract 0, doesnt that let you cleave infinite?

because your cleave value never lowers

[south garnet]

vet needs megaphone on a backpack that alters his voice

[ebon umbra]

toughness in the past: oww ouchy fire
toughness now: i am literally burning alive

[south garnet]

shout but with this

[south spindle]

No, because that aspect is capped on BM IE; Ignore hitmass for 4 targets

[idle dirge]

Knock down every enemy in the map

[carmine cradle]

ah, ok, so if they didnt impliment a hard cap, then it WOULD work like that?

[south spindle]

Yes

But thankfully, they did implement one

[carmine cradle]

is that cap for brutal momentum different on the shield?

[south spindle]

Nope, same on all weapons

[cosmic crag]

i keep telling game companies, add a voice pitch scale with comic limits

[civic knot]

Guessing unyielding or carapace is best for this?

[carmine cradle]

cool

[cosmic crag]

they aint answered yet

[carmine cradle]

thanks mud wizard

also, mud mage would be a way better name

just saying

[crisp bronze]

Does the new Mk 12 chainaxe have the same blessings as the Mk 4?
Actually do all of the weapons share blessings with the og weapons? They should because they're technically just new "marks" not different altogether correct?

[idle dirge]

They already did with ragers :^)

[carmine cradle]

yes

just new marks

same blessings

[south garnet]

I think every enemy hit by shield heavies still takes bleed stacks if you have the node though

[cosmic crag]

grooooooooooargh

[south garnet]

BM or no

[carmine cradle]

also, from what i can tell, you can actually get the new revolver to very very accuracte by standing still and crouching

[south garnet]

seems like it anyway

If they get any stagger, seems like they pick up bleed

[civic knot]

last question then im out! promise! xD

[carmine cradle]

yes, and its fucking dumb

[inner drift]

what's shield H2's cleave limit anyway? I've never had it stop on anything other than an ogryn

[carmine cradle]

because shield door swing can already cleave through an infinite number of fodder

[cosmic crag]

front of squad but coherent, it works

[carmine cradle]

and it made it so that you could insta kill entire hordes with the 6 bleed stacks

[cosmic crag]

then an ogryn blocks 3 shots

[carmine cradle]

it was DUMB

[south garnet]

I think what you meant to say was "stupid fucking cool"

[cosmic crag]

you fat bastard

[carmine cradle]

no it was hella unbalanced

4 stacks of bleed is much mroe reasonable

[south garnet]

even after the bleed nerfs it's still really good

[carmine cradle]

you no longer just 1shot entire hordes with 0 effort

[civic knot]

unyielding or carapace? whatchu think?

[carmine cradle]

correct, most ogryn builds that CAN grab it, will

[south garnet]

Like, so good I can't imagine seriously using shield without it

[carmine cradle]

it just means you gotta hit em twice instead of once

[south garnet]

Barring a center column build

[carmine cradle]

yes

[cosmic crag]

i get mad then i say ok meatshield i accept your sacrifice

[idle dirge]

I’d say flak

[carmine cradle]

wel right column cant and probably wouldnt even if it could

[civic knot]

it will already melt flak enemies

[carmine cradle]

middle column does sometimes?

[idle dirge]

It’ll melt them even better

[carmine cradle]

it kidna depends

[vivid ocean]

what the fuck

trappers

make no noise

[carmine cradle]

im a charge ogryn enjoyer

[south garnet]

true, although I don't think I'd ever run a glugger with a shield, so

[vivid ocean]

died to a trapper who literally just spawned in

[cosmic crag]

i enjoy using the stim on ogryns and watching them charge

[south garnet]

I LOVE charge

[vivid ocean]

and made no noise

what the fuck

[south garnet]

All but one of my builds has charge

lol

[cosmic crag]

yes meat puppet

[south spindle]

Maulers benifit from Flak perk, Maniacs all die in one shot apart from muties without the perk

[cosmic crag]

destroy

[south garnet]

charge is half the fun of playing ogryn

[carmine cradle]

also, can we just agree that the taunt on block node is fucking dumb?

[south spindle]

Ragers, one shot headshot should be pretty easily achievable without perk too

[carmine cradle]

there is 0 reason for it to be that good

that shit should have an internal cooldown of like a second

[south garnet]

it's pretty stupid, although I do like some of the mechanical interactions

[south spindle]

It doesnt give the 25% damage taken debuff tho, thankfully

[carmine cradle]

oh its AWESOME, forcing shit to run at you with a melee weapon is super fun

[south garnet]

But yea it should probably have a (very short) delay/cooldown. Doesn't work on bosses either

[carmine cradle]

im glad it does work on bosses

[untold moth]

New chain sword is pretty cool so far in psych

[carmine cradle]

because it would make demon hosts free

which would be stupid

[south spindle]

No, instead you take a bully club and they're free

Club slap staggerlocks all bosses, maybe with the exception of slug

[carmine cradle]

also, rip psykers, they got fuck all this update

[cosmic crag]

pubs: we better avoid that d-d-d-d-demonhost

block enjoyers: what

[untold moth]

It looks like a pure upgrade between the chain swords.. Unless I’m missing stuff

[carmine cradle]

i mean TECHNICALLY they got weapons,, but im a staff + force sword enjoyer

and so are like 95% of psyker players

[frank ether]

its overpowered but thats a bit of a theme with oggy

[carmine cradle]

attack patterns

[south garnet]

I have to say I rarely run center keystone just because teammates (pubs anyway) never seem to understand how to take advantage of it. If I'm drawing aggro, don't wait for ME to do the objective - YOU do it. While I'm pulling the boss and corresponding horde, YOU stop fighting and go pick up the guy downed 20 yards away

[carmine cradle]

old chainsword has better attack patterns

atleast to me

cleave go br

[frank ether]

I guess every class has a little bit of something thats kinda op

[carmine cradle]

strike down not as cool

and i like the jab on the shove attack

that shit fun

[cosmic crag]

whats the meta order

open question

[south garnet]

I can't wait to play with the shovel more. Most fun I've had with a melee weapon in a longass while

very satisfying

[carmine cradle]

new chainsword attacks

[south garnet]

(specifically the new mk 3)

[carmine cradle]

ol chainsword attacks

old one has, in my opinion, a perferable heavy attack pattern

[frank ether]

depends on whos playing

[cosmic crag]

very tru

[south garnet]

I'm playing. tell me mine

:^)

[frank ether]

this is bait

[carmine cradle]

well i mean vet gets to just have bottomless grenades

thats pretty sick

[frank ether]

you all wan me to say shout plasma vet

[south garnet]

TELL ME MY OPINION RIGHT NOW OR ELSE

[viral nacelle]

Luv me nades

[carmine cradle]

well i mean we all KNOW thats the meta

[cosmic crag]

nuh uh

[carmine cradle]

plasma fucking broken

rip vfx and sfx on plasma o7

[viral nacelle]

I’ve been running shredder nades with the regen and been very happy

[carmine cradle]

honestly thats half the reason im using the revolver right now

[south garnet]

I'm getting flashbacks to the last several heavy sword mark 6 vs. mark 9 discussions I've been in

[carmine cradle]

the other half is SPACE COWBOY YEEEEEE HAW

[untold moth]

Yeah, the push attack is worse, and the heavies are a bit underwhelming

[cosmic crag]

in terms of counters and completion%

[fallen geyser]

anyone else having issue with text chat?

[carmine cradle]

crowds? what crowds?

[untold moth]

It is cool though. I think it’ll work for a lot of people. Original chain sword attack pattern is really amazing though

[serene sage]

no? i have issue of the server being powered by a hamster though

[carmine cradle]

never heard of em

[viral nacelle]

I don’t get most of those arguments, like if there’s points for both sides then either one is probably fine in 99% of play

[frank ether]

the thing is meta is a complex term and whats most efficient rly depends on your skill level and your teams skill level

[carmine cradle]

also 8% chance to get a grenade back form specialist kills is really, really good

[finite imp]

Yooooooooooooo

[south garnet]

but anyway, mark 6 hs is for handsome intelligent perfect organisms (probably also wealthy due to their ingenuity) and mark 9 hs is for smelly losers who never went to school and can't keep jobs because they're so lazy and dumb

[viral nacelle]

And the map, and the director’s whims

[carmine cradle]

hand cannon is balanced 🙂

[untold moth]

The higher shred damage and penetration do make the new chain sword pretty cool though. I bet it has a place on zealot

[frank ether]

I could argue helbores are S tier all day long but %99 of people I would ask to choose between hb and plasma would choose plasma

[viral nacelle]

Like if you go hard on anti armor but director says all maniac baybee you will not do as well

[serene sage]

you say that but you never think Exec Stance is fine

[carmine cradle]

because plasma is better

100 cleave go br

[untold moth]

What do you do about the awful weapon swap animation

[carmine cradle]

1 shotting reapers go br

[frank ether]

It is better yes

[carmine cradle]

shooting THROUGH WALLS go br

[frank ether]

last buffs were stupid

[finite imp]

Fatshark has gone on record saying they hate meta

[untold moth]

I want to use helbore, but I don’t get why I can shoot a plasma gun sooner than I can use it

[cosmic crag]

i think ogryn still outmetas the other classes by a fair percentage

[terse idol]

Uh, use the bayonet

[carmine cradle]

why the HELL does plasma get to shoot through walls

that shit whack

[untold moth]

The bayonet is not accessible during weapon swap

[terse idol]

Pick up a mk1

[serene sage]

Bolter can, too but no one talks about it 😔

[south garnet]

this might be the truth, but it's not my truth and thus has no practical use to me or anyone else

[viral nacelle]

Well plasma objectively correct. Would you rather have infinity cleave and basically never reload on a gun that body shots most stuff or a bayonet

[midnight patrol]

It's been buffed to 8% now?

That's much better

[south garnet]

:^)

[carmine cradle]

might be 6?

i dont remember

[south garnet]

Submit or be quelled

[frank ether]

see this is why its a bait discussion

[carmine cradle]

its still really good either way

[pastel geode]

Reject lasers and plasma, embrace the certainty of holy metal projectiles

[serene sage]

the correct response

[cosmic crag]

bc there are multiple answers it is true

[carmine cradle]

my bad its 5

not the point

its good

having this node make clearing hordes free

you just toss a shredder at em

[midnight patrol]

Vraks mk7 you are still my service rifle!

[eternal sable]

remember when demo team used to give your whole team nades

[frank ether]

yes, answer depends on who asks how good they are who they play with how good of a day fartshart servers are having etc etc

[eternal sable]

imagine that now

[carmine cradle]

and then go back to shooting specialist

[south garnet]

full grenadier build is totally viable while also not totally gimping yourself in other areas now btw

[serene sage]

it's slightly worse than normal regen but it makes up for it by replenish nades when you need them (kinda)

[carmine cradle]

i take both

[midnight patrol]

I kinda wish it still did.

[cosmic crag]

open the aggre gate

[carmine cradle]

all the nades

[viral nacelle]

Based vraks7 meta

[eternal sable]

that would break the game

[serene sage]

too op

[carmine cradle]

is it optimal? prbobably not

[warm idol]

nade every 60 seconds is better

[untold moth]

Trying it currently in the psych. Always needs to finish the weapon draw before it lets me bayonet

[eternal sable]

zealt fire nades and ogryn bombs

they will take over

[midnight patrol]

Oggy's inhaling all the grenade boxes or refusing to use their nades because they might need it lol

[carmine cradle]

wrong, having BOTH is better

[warm idol]

I personally find that 5% to be too inconsistent

[viral nacelle]

Full grenadier might not be “good” but it is hilariously fun

[south garnet]

uh yes I WOULD like extra numbers of extra damage/radius frags that regen, pop out of elites and ammo crates, and spontaneously multiply

[warm idol]

would rather have something else

[frank ether]

the real silly thing for me is plasma is not rly a skill weapon in its current form

[terse idol]

Well like ah I'm not convinced with RNG

[serene sage]

they already treat vets like an ammo box, we won't be a grenade box as well

[south garnet]

literally the ultimate meme/bullshitter build. so much fun

[cosmic crag]

grenades falling out of the veterans pockets

[carmine cradle]

i mean i kinda wanna have this anyways

[frank ether]

outside of ammo consumption I dont see any real drawbacks to it

[eternal sable]

i know right

we are nothing to them

[warm idol]

this

[untold moth]

It takes some real skill and talent to hit the 1 shot breakpoints

[terse idol]

We gotta get the stats guys out here because 8% on how many specs you kill on any given mission

[carmine cradle]

so its not like im going out of my way to grab demolition team

[viral nacelle]

Have you tried full grenadier? It’s pretty funny

[warm idol]

I hate relying on stuff that doesn't work most of the time

[carmine cradle]

like its right there

yoinky sploinky

gimme more nades

[viral nacelle]

Oh it works, and you can go melee hard still

[terse idol]

Plus the condition that you already need to have an open grenade slot and to regenerate a grenade when you need it

[untold moth]

Once I made a 79 damage 79 penetration plasma gun, my life improved

[cosmic crag]

grenade smoke spec menace

[untold moth]

I got the promotion at work

[cosmic crag]

smoke up

[midnight patrol]

Hell I ran a full "my shotgun causes bleed. My knife causes bleed. My infinite grenades cause bleed"

[viral nacelle]

Ah yes, the clap cannon

[serene sage]

Tinkered Frag works all the time due to the insane AOE

[carmine cradle]

bleed go br

[midnight patrol]

Getting 60k plus bleeding damage with 200 kills from it lol

[warm idol]

im not talking about tinkerer im talking about demo team

[untold moth]

I was using a 75 damage 80 pen plasma cannon and leaving everything with 50 hp

[viral nacelle]

Lmao this nerd checkin the stats

I just want to grill heretics

[warm idol]

I already get a fuckton of nades from the regen

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

you can get your stuff back

[carmine cradle]

this node fucking rules

[serene sage]

just need best case scenario 😉

[warm idol]

ah yes relying on rng

ill pass

[terse idol]

Yeah thats why I haate competitive urge

[serene sage]

oh how I miss Thy Grenade Be Swift

[pastel geode]

Me playing vet with brautos and iags

[warm idol]

yeah it sounds good on paper then you see it's a CHANCE rather than something that always works

[mystic belfry]

Thanks :v

[midnight patrol]

Apparently I misremembered.

[carmine cradle]

well it doesnt get to have horizontal heavy attacks sooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[midnight patrol]

It's almost 90k with 30k burning because I used a Kant shotgun with flechette and scattershot roll.

[carmine cradle]

walking doesnt actually work with this, it still drains your shit

[terse idol]

Walking when crouched?

[midnight patrol]

Walking when crouched works tho

[terse idol]

Which is basically just croached

[carmine cradle]

oh SHIT i cant read

lmao

[terse idol]

[pastel geode]

[viral nacelle]

Time to try full grenadier in the new patch

[carmine cradle]

got that ogryn intelligence

[viral nacelle]

call me shredder

[carmine cradle]

shredder frags my beloved

[midnight patrol]

I used to think they were not worth it compared to Kraks

[carmine cradle]

crack grenades dont even do anything. what carapace enemies? i have a PLASMA GUN

[midnight patrol]

But I found out that it's a lot easier to PS or crit shoot the Crushers to death when they are the only thing left alive after three frag grenades

Dual grenades toss is funny.

[warm idol]

I mean that's point kraks are for when you don't have an anti carapace ranged weapon and want a ranged armor killer

[serene sage]

Kraks was new and funny to see Carapace being blown
But the hype died down and suddenly Krak feels a bit niche

[warm idol]

but then again

can just run a chainsword

or power sword

or the new shovel

and deal with crushers up close

[carmine cradle]

shredders are superior

[serene sage]

Chainsword don't really kill armor though

[mystic belfry]

Krak is niche because of the long fuse tbh

[warm idol]

so kraks kinda meh but they are a perfectly viable and fun option still

unlike smokes

[pastel geode]

I can’t bring myself to give up the power to make crushers pop

[midnight patrol]

Kinda wish they were impact sticky nades.

[warm idol]

I swear that thing is a coinflip

[carmine cradle]

me when
when my chainaxe applies 14 stacks of bleed instantly (remember the animation can be cancled now and it applies bleed on the first hit)

[warm idol]

ive had shooters keep on firing and hitting teammates

and bombers turning the smoke into a burning crater

[carmine cradle]

oh my bad 16 stacks of bleed

[warm idol]

other times their brain shut off and they stared at it

[umbral scaffold]

My new sniper build performs and our paces my old one in more ways then one and is much more flexible with the new changes

[south garnet]

really? It's active like... all the time on hi/shock dam during hordes though

[copper shell]

If you dont have melee/ranged to deal with crushers or maulers you take kraks otherwise shredder is just better

[carmine cradle]

bloodletter is a must take on chainsword for me

[midnight patrol]

The worst part is the smoke now makes the 12 gunners and two snipers across the room invisible and no one is running Ex Stance with the glowy for all talent

[carmine cradle]

its too valuable to not take

[warm idol]

ive had it not proc once during hordes

it's rng

im not bullshitting

just that bad luck can happen

[south garnet]

I guess

[warm idol]

and relying on something that is rng

is something I dont like

I wish they would rework comp and demo into something else

[midnight patrol]

I was just about to say you'll hate demo then lol

[warm idol]

I hate it

[low oar]

See it as a bonus instead of a requirement

[fallen geyser]

Huh, seems i did something to please Hadron

[midnight patrol]

Sometimes you pray for it to proc. Or you get three grenades refilled with a single Ex Stance pop

It's really weird.

[warm idol]

id rather take a consistent bonus that always works over something that relies on chance

but that's just me

[south garnet]

OK, but how do you feel about the crafting system

:^)

[warm idol]

ive already made it plenty clear before that it's one of the worst crafting systems ever devised by a human being

the whole loot/crafting system in this game

[midnight patrol]

He's.. Not wrong.

[warm idol]

is a special level of bad

[serene sage]

so no crit builds as well?

[warm idol]

but it's not surprising considering modern gaming and player retention

[viral nacelle]

honestly full gren build kinda not bad from looking at traits

[warm idol]

surgical and deadshot say hi

[midnight patrol]

With some builds you can make it quite reliable

So that's still okay

[warm idol]

you can make crits very consistent

[dusk idol]

honestly

[vivid ocean]

new mission's kind of a banger

[unborn ridge]

guys whats the best build for damage?

[karmic musk]

Jabs my Cooldown Reduction Stimm right into a VoC Vet
VoC Vet doesn't ult

[sharp ember]

all grenade nodes is the ultimate secret 4th keystone

[dusk idol]

still not the most scummy thing i've ever experienced from a game

[vivid ocean]

and recon still sucks

[idle dirge]

I can’t remember the last time I got something above 330 from brunt’s armoury

[unborn ridge]

or what keystone is the best

[serene sage]

the one you are good at

[unborn ridge]

i mean for dps

[serene sage]

can you aim?

[dusk idol]

black desert online was abysmally worse than darktide when it came to rng and crafting

[unborn ridge]

i can

but the first seems hard to maintain

[warm idol]

not even close but just because one shit smells better than the other doesn't make it any less of a shit

[unborn ridge]

i use mainly autoguns

[viral nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ac8ecf4-b8a1-48e3-ad48-e9f8bcc70420

[south garnet]

Generally I don't like RNG as... well, basically any form of game mechanic. But I'll say I become more tolerant to it with volume, which is why stuff like competitive urge or crits don't bug me so much. I'd say it's a fools gamble on something essential that you NEED to be consistent, like 4% chance of toughness regen through warp charges for psyker on kills or similar, but for grenade regen or whatever I'm okay with getting stiffed by RNG occasionally

[dusk idol]

the pain i've experienced lets me not hate darktide as much as i should do

[warm idol]

focus target is my fav but weapon specialist is very good

I dont have much experience with the left keystone

[viral nacelle]

i still manage to get pretty much all the traits i always take even though i meme out and take all the grendier traits

[serene sage]

by aiming I mean no scoping and being able to handle a clunky ranged weapon while in CQC

[fallen geyser]

which enemies are "infested" ?

[midnight patrol]

You can become a headclicking God with some weapons

[viral nacelle]

if i dropped the dumber grenadier traits (wowee 5% chance of free nade...) i could probably make it even better

[karmic musk]

Btw guys if you spam right click and release on the stimm, your character looks like he's doing something dirty
Make of this information what you will

[unborn ridge]

yeah i thnk so pretty well

[serene sage]

poxes
dogs
busters
that's it i think

[karmic musk]

[midnight patrol]

It makes laspistols hit like a Vraks on headshots lol

[fallen geyser]

bah

[south garnet]

unironically yes

[vivid ocean]

oh jesus, the shovels can roll uncanny strike??

[serene sage]

then just take left side and use a precision weapon?

[warm idol]

you'll summon slanneesh at this rate

[vivid ocean]

yeah they're getting nerfed

that's so sad

[midnight patrol]

And stuff like the Kantrael MG IV lasgun become quite viable in harder content

[serene sage]

with like a defensive melee like shovel so you don't fold like wet paper

[unborn ridge]

by precision u mean what weaps

[vivid ocean]

either that or they're gonna hit uncanny strike

[unborn ridge]

i like autoguns

[serene sage]

Helbore, Vraks 7, Plasma, Revolver, Bolter
take your pick

[south garnet]

I mean it's just a different mark of purportedly the same weapon, shovel has had uncanny for forever

[unborn ridge]

headhunter variant?

[warm idol]

I wanna love that gun but jesus the recoil is wild

altho it's still miles better than the accatrans

[south garnet]

But I could still see them nerfing the new ones. They better fucking not, but I could see it

[sharp ember]

the talent tree condensing has been great, i'd do either that build or steer left and take ammo node

[vivid ocean]

yeah but normal shovel had no answer for armor beyond heavy whacks

[serene sage]

yeah Vraks is Headhunter Autogun

[vivid ocean]

new shovels? we gaming

[south garnet]

true

[unborn ridge]

and for other autoguns is there a better keystone?

[dusk idol]

actually light whacks are better at armour

[midnight patrol]

You need max stability for it to be viable lol

And paired with deadshot

[noble zinc]

Could anyone have foreseen them putting shovels on steroids

[serene sage]

probably middle

[vivid ocean]

im not sure, but does the special attack count for 2 stacks?

[noble zinc]

Because I sure didn't

[midnight patrol]

Otherwise it bounces way too much for a carbine of a lasgun.

[unborn ridge]

ty!

[vivid ocean]

since you're ice-picking their skull

[warm idol]

yeah

ia is my jam lasgun wise atm

I find it easier to hit heads with the xii due to the less spammy nature but ia is more fun

[midnight patrol]

I'm just really sad they made Onslaught no longer proc with bleed or burn.

[untold mulch]

One would think a LASER would not KICK your shoulder

[viral nacelle]

Ammo node with plasma is meh imo

[midnight patrol]

I made entire shotgun and lasgun builds for it ;w;

[warm idol]

they did actually had them with no recoil originally but said it didn't feel good

then explain accatrans

[sharp ember]

don't think so. I think it uses the same logic as chainsaw sawing only counting as 1 hit

[vivid ocean]

ah, fair

[viral nacelle]

E=mc^babyman

[untold mulch]

THere is no recoil

And there is holy shit this feels worse than some autoguns

[warm idol]

honestly even lore is fucking inconsistent like the rest of 40k

[south garnet]

does it look more or less dirty than psyker spamming special on illisi

[warm idol]

some writers say they do have recoil

others say they dont

[untold mulch]

Either lasguns are not real laser guns

[fallen geyser]

recon lasgun still crap?

[dusk idol]

yes

[untold mulch]

or is for autogun troopers

[dusk idol]

well

maybe

dunno

[warm idol]

xii feels fine but ia on max rof can be jumpy

[dusk idol]

haven't used one lately

[sharp ember]

if you try to use a health stim with full hp you twirl it in your hand

[untold mulch]

it makes sense that for troops that are used to autoguns to have a recoil mechanism just because the weirdness can be terrible

[serene sage]

it's less crap since vets get more talents now
but you still get more using literally anything else for the same investment

[untold mulch]

Ia and IV hit way too hard

[midnight patrol]

The laspistol has no recoil lol

[fallen geyser]

shame 😦

[untold mulch]

Basically Vet is better, not the gun

[midnight patrol]

FS trying to balance lasguns horribly

[serene sage]

yeah

[rocky jacinth]

40k lore is so inconsistent that it's basically "believe whatever you think is coolest"

[warm idol]

very orky

[untold mulch]

Some kick makes some sense

as feedback to user

and light still has momentum and stuff

[dusk idol]

if what you're shooting has enough energy to punch a hole in someone it should have some recoil

[noble zinc]

Lasgun built different

[untold mulch]

Energy math is weird

I believe it will be noticed

[midnight patrol]

But I digress. I use the MGIV as a ghetto recon las.

[untold mulch]

but not to Darktide, I can't keep my aim in their heads with consistent fire

[warm idol]

I still want them to add in a hotshot/volley/hellgun

[untold mulch]

PREACH

[warm idol]

and a melta

[fallen geyser]

fuck yes

[midnight patrol]

Sticks the full auto selector switch on it via third party means.

[serene sage]

the gun shouldn't recoil, but it should vibrant like a microwave

[warm idol]

I swear if they add a melta and make it zealot exclusive

[serene sage]

cause SCIENCE

[warm idol]

ill be fucking pissed

[untold mulch]

I was using hte laspistol

but the ROF nerf they did killed the gun to me

So

AGAIN I am back to fucked

[warm idol]

the melta is a premier anti armor option for the guard

[pale lotus]

Alright, i have tried the new chaxe

it fucks

[rocky jacinth]

I've been asking for hellguns since launch

[untold mulch]

see ya in Rogue Trader because fatshark hates rapid fire lasgun

[midnight patrol]

Now gotta use the H E A V Y heavy laspistol

[untold mulch]

Used it, felt is poiwer

hate is feedback

[midnight patrol]

Which now feels like a buffed MGIV but hey.

[untold mulch]

I mentally need a minimum ROF

Is just me being a little snow flake

[midnight patrol]

We were bound to get to the point where some weapons overlapped the other's niche lol

[serene sage]

iit's out today isn't it

[untold mulch]

I don't mind as long as all are usable

[midnight patrol]

Revolver and Bolter, etc

[pale lotus]

tomorrow

[warm idol]

tmrw

[untold mulch]

Overlapping guns > few guns but niche

[south garnet]

Looks like my space zorro psyker will be picking up the new revolver for my cosplay instead of the laspistol

[serene sage]

is it out tomorrow?

[untold mulch]

Some people had access copies looks like, but for us plebs is tomorrow

Tell me it has a Hellgun

[serene sage]

im not sure when it's out, can you say again?

[untold mulch]

I didn't play the beta

[serene sage]

tomorrow?

[untold mulch]

[south garnet]

next week

[untold mulch]

Say again once more

[serene sage]

ahh i see

next week it is

thanks

[untold mulch]

I can't wait to see all weapons

both imperiuum and xeno

[serene sage]

yes you can

[untold mulch]

and use a lasgun

Give las or give me death

[fallen geyser]

suppression different from stagger?

[serene sage]

yes

[untold mulch]

Suppresion is when they cower in fear

[fallen geyser]

gah

[untold mulch]

or in our cases

when your aim goes to shit

[gaunt hinge]

why are there cat ear outlines

[warm idol]

it did yeah

[serene sage]

feeling bad about that Boltgun?

[warm idol]

I played the beta

[serene sage]

[finite imp]

Welp I have a perfect knife and revolver. I guess I can retire now

[fallen geyser]

yeah 😦

[untold mulch]

More shooters need suppresion mechanics

it adds a lot

Someone here has played Ghost Recon Future Soldier?

[warm idol]

it was unfinished in a lot of ways

but it was fun nonetheless

[untold mulch]

PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH

[serene sage]

don't worry, Pinning Fire is still BiS

[south garnet]

you know why

[untold mulch]

Felinid confirmed

[midnight patrol]

Speaking of boltgun. I feel like the explosive payload actually plays against it sometimes

[serene sage]

take Maniac + Flak and Pinning Fire/Surgical + that Shattering that you have
and it's a really good Bolter

[midnight patrol]

With the revolver I can reliably kill like 20 people with the sheer clean cleave it does at head level

[idle dirge]

What’s the difference from the old one?

[warm idol]

argenta was op asf during that beta

[midnight patrol]

The bolter kinda pushes crowds all over the place

[warm idol]

even with her basic bolter

[serene sage]

it's newer :3

[warm idol]

she fucks everything up by unloading the entire goddamn mag in a single turn

[midnight patrol]

I don't get the same bang for my bucks shooting single crit shots all through the heads

[fallen geyser]

surgical it is!

[warm idol]

either killing bosses or whole groups of weaker enemies instantly

[midnight patrol]

Huh. Rouge Trader is another turn based tactics shooter

[toxic leaf]

i wanna build the bolter but i dont wanna use executioner's stance

[midnight patrol]

We got quite a few 40k themed ones now lol

[untold moth]

In my testing, mk3 new shovel is better than the other, if only because the special attack is faster.

[noble zinc]

I really wish the crafting system wasn't shit tho so I could actually update my review to a positive one.

[fast scaffold]

Rogue trader is a crpg also though

[untold moth]

I want to try thrust + limb splitter on the new shovel

[serene sage]

Chaos Gate is fun. Interceptor goes brbrbrbbrbrbr

[warm idol]

well I wouldn't compare them to those games as rogue trader is a crpg

like the pathfinder games (with also happen to be the same devs)

[untold mulch]

I need to think of what build to do

[warm idol]

if you played kingmaker or wrath

[midnight patrol]

Mechanicus, Desth Watch, the lost goes ooon

[serene sage]

What's C in CRPG?

[warm idol]

you will find some stuf familiar

computer

[rocky jacinth]

computer

[untold moth]

Crazy long

[serene sage]

Makes sense

[warm idol]

it was coined back when rpg's were mostly pen and paper

[untold mulch]

I think is basically like tabletop rpg

computer rpg

[fast scaffold]

Not exclusively, but most adaptations are considered crpgs.

[midnight patrol]

Oh? Will it be Baldurs Gate good or?

[untold mulch]

Man, ngl one of these days we may get generative AI to do crpgs on the go
gonna be interesting (ignoring all the discussion about AIs)

[warm idol]

I loved the pathfinder games myself and I enjoyed the beta and alpha of rt

[midnight patrol]

I could never vibe with Baldurs Gate.. but I can totally vibe with something similar in 40k format

[untold mulch]

Hmm

[warm idol]

some people hate them

finding them too complex

as pathfinder especially can be fucking cruel

if you aren't familiar with it's systems

[eager patrol]

rogue trader is far less complex than pathfinder though

[warm idol]

but rogue trader seemed to be rather straight forward

no need to stack buffs every fucking fight

[midnight patrol]

Best let it design Warp based campaigns. The randomness woukd be truly canonical lol

[serene sage]

Oh you're a Pathfinder fan? Name every paths found.

[warm idol]

the path to ur mom

😎

[serene sage]

Oh you're a Rogue Trader fan? Name every Rogue traded.

[serene sage]

Damn got me

[rocky jacinth]

i always wanted to see if you could use AI for CRPGs to direct combat and loot like in L4D or tide, so you don't end up like Kingmaker where you have a huge amount of weapon types and 80% of them are worthless trash because you're locked in to your chosen type and have to rely on hand placed items and loot

[warm idol]

I know people hate on ai and to an extent I get it

but there's also a lot of potential there

[fast scaffold]

For example there was a crpg mod for warband that just made it like RPG gear for a shared online thing. It could also be applied to non tabletop inspired ones it's a very general term but

[serene sage]

Abominable Intelligence

[warm idol]

especially with how some AI can come off as deranged crackheads

[rocky jacinth]

without making it feel like ass

[viral nacelle]

so grenadier good actually

[warm idol]

an rpg written by an AI has the potential to be fucking hilarious and nonsensical

[mystic belfry]

The closest would be like kingmaker 1's dungeon DLC that's procedurally generated

[serene sage]

I would play a short 2-3 hour long nonsensical campaign

[viral nacelle]

ive been teaching paid chat to play star wars rebellion board game with me, its been interesting

[serene sage]

Would be hilarious

[untold mulch]

TRRUE

[midnight patrol]

Like I said, a campaign in the Warp would be very manageable by our current generation of AI lol

[fast scaffold]

To be a crpg, it usually has to be difficult enough where you need m+kb (kinda dated term these days because they make everything on console now too)

[midnight patrol]

It's a fever dream no matter how you look at it canonically

[toxic leaf]

how handicapped would ib e running bolter without stance

[rocky jacinth]

yeah, but use some kind of neural network instead of standard procgen to make the loot more interesting and fitting, like a human DM would implement

[untold mulch]

I get it too, but I am always been very pro AI since I was little so I personalyl am more hopeful of the potential

[midnight patrol]

Surprisingly well off actually.

[viral nacelle]

i wouldnt personally but some do. the quick draw power of exec is the big thing

[warm idol]

it sounds like hell on a controller

[midnight patrol]

I would argue you would do better with VoC and stealth

[warm idol]

any crpg really

[viral nacelle]

you can lay down the hammer hard with exec + bolter

[serene sage]

time to ruffle some feathers
should AIs have rights if they gain sentience?

[midnight patrol]

VoC allows you to just shout everyone that tries to fist you while weapon switching or reloading

[fast scaffold]

It is but people do it, it's like the opposite of playing dark souls on keyboard

[midnight patrol]

Stealth just. Has them ignore you completely anyway.

[untold mulch]

I would say for this discord is not a conversation to have and I recommend we stop it quickly

But quickly, Yes, I think so

[snow pendant]

why cant they let psword charge while sprint like csword , caxe can

[midnight patrol]

Ex Stance has its uses though

[rocky jacinth]

would the ai possibly have true sentience or would it just be pretending to be sentient because it was programmed to

[warm idol]

tbh I played the og dark souls on a keyboard and I beat malenia in er on an mkb too after I had to recharge my controller

[midnight patrol]

Mk3 you can sprint while charging

[warm idol]

it works fine on an mkb just gotta adjust some bindings

[midnight patrol]

It's the mk6 that does not

[warm idol]

only game genre I cannot imagine playing on an mkb

is fighting games

[mystic belfry]

I love this revolver so much

[snow pendant]

why just mk3

[midnight patrol]

They're specifically built that way lol

[untold mulch]

We would have to make entirely new tests and shit to determine what truly means to eb sentient

[warm idol]

and 2d metroidvenias like hollow knight

[serene sage]

the most tragic change this new patch that auspect got moved to number 5

truly unplayable

[midnight patrol]

The mk6 was designed to be a highly defensive PS

[untold mulch]

I GOT SO KARKING CONFUSED

[serene sage]

my hand

i can't

[rocky jacinth]

am i merely pretending to be sentient?

[midnight patrol]

The mk3 offensive

[untold mulch]

I mean

PUG rando's ARE

[fallen geyser]

yeah i immediately sorted THAT out lol

[viral nacelle]

21% health curio.... on my vet

[serene sage]

I will pretend i can't change keybind so i can complain

[snow pendant]

they always forget about grenades then go down

[midnight patrol]

Excuse me. Those I meet aren't even trying lol

[warm idol]

does this unit have a soul

[viral nacelle]

things i will never use but bought anyway

[serene sage]

afaik yall are all bots

[fast scaffold]

And they probably do it for the same reason that I've beat every souls game with m+kb, it's my preferred controller. M+kb is alot easier these days because it's properly supported, also keyboards are essentially hit boxes so it's not that hard to do it tbh, there are people who do it but it can't be taken to tournaments easily because the plug and play is bad for consoles on keyboards

[untold mulch]

😢

Don't

don't reopen that wound

please

[fast scaffold]

I can say things that bots aren't allowed to say legally

[karmic musk]

No

[serene sage]

where is that from

[snow pendant]

oh plz i have parasitic leech , underlevel af que for higher difficulty for carry

[fallen geyser]

beep boop

[untold mulch]

Mass Effect

[midnight patrol]

When we get Scitarii infantry this will suck

[rocky jacinth]

I'll prove I'm not, a bot could never say the gamer word

[serene sage]

wait i played that series

[untold mulch]

Yes, you have you magnificent bastard

[serene sage]

i don't remember that

[untold mulch]

Legion?

[warm idol]

just remember that you should kill all batarians on sight

[untold mulch]

THE ENTIRE GETH CONNUNDRUM?

[untold mulch]

Dropkick them

[warm idol]

honestly are the reapers really that bad?

I mean

[serene sage]

ah, can't remember, i think i sided with Talia(?) and might have just said no to their whole thing

memory is blurry

[warm idol]

they genocided the batarians

[untold mulch]

Tali

[midnight patrol]

.. That reminds me. That the Coop modes in Mass Effect 3 was actually bloody fun as hell

[untold mulch]

And I did all the groundwork to save both

[warm idol]

yeah me3mp

was good

n7 destroyer was my fucking jam

[untold mulch]

Based

[fallen geyser]

https://i.imgur.com/O7zVmY8.jpeg

[midnight patrol]

Not many third person shooters has such a smooth combat roll and cover hopping flow in addition to decent gunplay

[warm idol]

most sci fi universes can actually beat the reapers

[untold mulch]

ME3 MP was way ahead

ME3 combat needs to come back

[warm idol]

like halo

[untold mulch]

THE BASS BOOST OF THE POWER COMBOS

[midnight patrol]

Where were you saving this lol

[warm idol]

especially covenant and post war unsc

[fallen geyser]

my google fu is strong!

[midnight patrol]

I ran a pure Adrenaline rush and nade spam Human Soldier and by God were they boring but powerful

[warm idol]

honestly andromedas wasn't bad either but me3's was a lot more meaty

[untold mulch]

HEAR

https://youtu.be/VesHcHVwebk?si=gUwUACfuN027cP84&t=18

[warm idol]

not to mention less grindy

[south garnet]

same, between this and the mk 3 shovel I'm having so much fun

[untold mulch]

THAT SOUND

[serene sage]

Command and Conquer should come back

[untold mulch]

Andromeda lacked the grittiness

[warm idol]

yeah.....

[south spindle]

Isnt there menna be a reboot of ME coming at somepoint?

[warm idol]

tiberium wars

my beloved

[untold mulch]

A sequel looks like

[south spindle]

Man i hope it doesnt end up shit

[serene sage]

Red Alert my beloved

[untold mulch]

Is gonna be

Bioware sucks now massively

[fast scaffold]

Vanguard or bust for me3 mp

[warm idol]

yeah it's supposed to be a sequel

but

[south spindle]

Yeah.. sadly highly likely

[warm idol]

I dont trust bioware

[south garnet]

for me it was command and conquer red alert 2

[untold mulch]

Manguard

[midnight patrol]

Also has there been a space combat game or mod in one that has proper 3D space combat for 40k?

[warm idol]

andromeda was painfully mid

[serene sage]

I am espcaping to the one place that is not corrupted by capitalism
SPAAAACEHHHHH

[warm idol]

anthem pissed me off

especially since they got close to actually

reworking it

making it a good game

then ea pulled the plug

[south spindle]

As far as that goes, Im waiting for Hunternet

[south garnet]

please can I be based

[midnight patrol]

The Ghotic one doesn't reslly count since space os flat there. For some reason.

[south spindle]

But that might never materialise

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/tinytim-tim-poor-child-boy-gif-7331148

[serene sage]

you are based. Yuri's Revenge was the stuff

[south spindle]

Probably gona do SC though when i have a rig that can run it

[serene sage]

StarCraft?

[south spindle]

Star Citizen

[midnight patrol]

Hmm.. Maybe Homeworld might have a 40k mod?

[untold mulch]

I need to update Star Citizen

[south spindle]

I like flying spaceships

[untold mulch]

been 2 updates behind

[midnight patrol]

I have not checked personally.

[south spindle]

Played a lot of Elite a few years back, but the dev team is fucking garbage

[warm idol]

im telling you as a backer with multiple ships it's not gonna come out anytime soon

if I had to wager

[serene sage]

what comes first? StarCitizen release or the heat death of the universe?

[warm idol]

at least 10 more years for pu

[untold mulch]

SQ42 next year, cope

[warm idol]

but sq42 is prolly like

2-3 years

[mystic belfry]

I haen't tried the new shovels yet, how are they doing? :v

[warm idol]

im guessing

[south spindle]

I am aware, i was intending on buying an Arrow an just going to town on the PvP elements of the product

[warm idol]

PU is too ambitious for it's own good

[untold mulch]

Go big or Go home

[warm idol]

sq42 im actually excited for

[midnight patrol]

Mainly I want a proper 3D axis space game where I can fly space churches filled with 100 thousand sailors and slaves.

[south garnet]

I haven't tried the other one but the 3 is so good I don't see a reason to deviate until I get bored

[crisp bronze]

So Ser Melk just gave me a godroll Graia Braced Auto with terrible perks: 15% Sprint Efficiency, 20% Damage (Infested). Blessings are fine on it but I was thinking about what perks to throw on it.

[mystic belfry]

I'll have to try it after work today then

[midnight patrol]

I still find it funny that we need crews that big in these ships not that much larger than some Star Wars ships. But it is what it is in the grimdark of 40k?

[south garnet]

so much fun

[serene sage]

Aren't all autoguns running Flakiac?

[untold mulch]

40k ships are inneficient af

[serene sage]

Cause you aren't hitting breakpoints as IAGs

[warm idol]

they dont even have fucking autoloaders

admech hoard all that shit

[mystic belfry]

Still trying to get good roll of the new revolver

But even with mid rolls it's still good tbh

[south spindle]

People sleeping hard on Graia IAG ngl

[midnight patrol]

Someone did tell me once that the Admech are being twats and hoarding all the autoloader tech

[untold mulch]

Why use autoloader when thousand of slaves do the work

smh

[warm idol]

graia is neat

[midnight patrol]

So we have manual gunloading for shells the size of 4 story tall apartments

[south garnet]

40k ships are literally just fantasy vessels in space instead of the mythical seas

[warm idol]

basically less dps colombine but with better range

altho I prefer agri because it feels meatier

[south spindle]

Good handling too

[serene sage]

Literally called the Imperial Navy

[untold mulch]

Just use Lances

Is not because I have a laser problem

[mystic belfry]

I lied I guess, I just got a solid revolver with the last of my plasteel

[untold mulch]

HEAVY AF REVOLVER

[midnight patrol]

Oof. That mobility roll is a bit rough

[south spindle]

Yeah ngl, i feel like mobility is more important on new revo than the old one

[mystic belfry]

Don't need it

[serene sage]

With that mobility you can roleplay Bolter with it

[south spindle]

Given its more close orientated

[warm idol]

pfft

[midnight patrol]

You'll feel the heavy lol

[warm idol]

just kill it before it kills you

[untold mulch]

I love 40k ship design

[midnight patrol]

It's not too bad at 40-50% iirc

You still get positive values at least

[mystic belfry]

I've used worse mobility guns that that, I just swap to melee if i have to

[south garnet]

basically it's this plus gothic and brutalist design sensibilities

[mystic belfry]

I'd rather have that max 80% crit tbh :v

[south garnet]

40k is big on baroque

[mystic belfry]

yum

[south garnet]

fuck you I rolled like 63% crit on my 380

bastard

[crisp bronze]

I was considering Unyielding because the Graia Brauto just got a damage buff and I have been loving it so far. It pretty much feels like a Columnus Infantry but you can't ADS. In return you get 1000 rounds of ammo (with fully loaded) and a bash instead of a flashlight.

[south garnet]

you better mail that to me

[mystic belfry]

46%crit just from critical bonus and deadshot, and I also have Roulette on it

[south garnet]

give me your lunch money

[mystic belfry]

:^)

[south garnet]

👊

[mystic belfry]

I deserve it after the torture I went through getting a normal revolver

[midnight patrol]

How much is the Graia buff in the grand scheme of things though?

[mystic belfry]

Took me literally more than 50 to get something good

[south garnet]

everyone suffers their burns and bruises somewhere in the course of dealing with brunt and hadron, that's for sure

[midnight patrol]

Does it keep up with the Columnus or the single tap headshot potential of the Agri?

[mystic belfry]

And by 50 I mean upgrading greys that were good enough to use

[south garnet]

fuck, ha

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, it was fucking awful

I couldn't even get any blessings worth using

[south garnet]

WOULD YOU LIKE A FIFTEENTH TERRIFYING BARRAGE, SIR?

[mystic belfry]

Yeah...

And all the bad blessings were mostly level 1&2 as well

So not even like, good bad rolls

[meager trench]

What's a good blessing set up on the new las pistol

[mystic belfry]

Same as the old

[south garnet]

back in the mk 5 axe supremacy days fucking pre-patch limshitter bricked so. many. goddamn. axes. I genuinely cannot even guess at how many dockets and plasteel I wasted chasing the ideal mk 5

[gray stone]

hows the trees vets?

[mystic belfry]

Nice, very nice

[quick fossil]

Which melee weapons is good for horde crowd control without needing the right blessing ( looking at you power swords )

[untold mulch]

Pretty good

[meager trench]

Which were xf

[mystic belfry]

Dumdum with infernus or raking fire

[gray stone]

im happy yall are finally eating good w/ the talent trees

[south garnet]

to this day I can't even look at limbshitter and not get at least a little bit upset

[eager patrol]

chain sword or old chain axe are nice

[meager trench]

Ty

[mystic belfry]

I feel that

[south garnet]

It could be patched to be the best blessing in the game and it wouldn't change a thing

[mystic belfry]

Tbf it is one of the better blessings now

[south garnet]

yea it's not bad now

[mystic belfry]

But only as a pocket weapon really

So I don't use it, because I don't pocket my melee

[median hawk]

Would someone be so kind to explain the differences between these two autoguns please ?

[mystic belfry]

My gun is the pocket weapon

[crisp bronze]

The Graia Braced Auto got roughly a 20% damage buff it and thats it. To be honest that's all it really needed. I got a really good one before the patch and kept it in case of a buff and now it feels really good. 1000 rounds of ammo goes a pretty good distance because with the ammo aura you get 10 bullets per special. You can just shoot constantly it's great.

[south garnet]

I cannot honestly even imagine the reasoning of whatever fucking einstein invented the original iteration of limbshitter

[languid escarp]

fire rate and damage iirc

[mystic belfry]

One goes pew pew pew, the other goes PEW PEW

[gray stone]

agripinaa hit harder, shoot slower iirc?

[median hawk]

oh okay so its a fire rate difference, got it

thanks !

[hard cave]

POST VET DRIP NOW

[hard cave]

YESSSS

[sudden dome]

prison rags are the best, if you wear that Im going to swing at you all day thinking youre a deserter

[hard cave]

MOOOOOORE

[south garnet]

making myself upset bringing up a blessing that might have caused me some measure of actual mental anguish on a wednesday morning for no reason other than to reflect on the misery

[sudden dome]

helmets are a no

[gray stone]

reporting to drip check sir

[hard cave]

NEED MORE DRIP

[untold mulch]

DAMN THAT DRIP

[languid escarp]

you are using the single shot vrak?

[untold mulch]

Homie has no armor

but is gonna die stylish

[midnight patrol]

Using the cosmetic and weapon customization mod?

[topaz pebble]

No

Just the power of wallet

[south spindle]

I wasnt impressed tbh

[mystic belfry]

My man has his gas mask on without his goggles down

[meager trench]

Those are in game,aquillas

[topaz pebble]

Not that I'm not guilty of the same kek

[mystic belfry]

Going to get those eyes melted :^)

[topaz pebble]

Armageddon steel legion set my beloved

[gray stone]

not vraks, this;

[south spindle]

They should make the braced RoF on GraiaBAG the default

[midnight patrol]

Hmm. Sounds about right

[gray stone]

nope

[south spindle]

Then it would be good

[midnight patrol]

That poor ammo stat rip

[south garnet]

this is my "poor money management" zealot dress up

[gray stone]

tell me about it. vet is my least played, so i should drip him out in the weapons department (hadron willing)

[median hawk]

get yourself one like this

although my blessings are shit

[midnight patrol]

This is probably still my favorite abomination for my Surgical+Deadly Accurate Vrak mk7 roll

[gray stone]

ill get around to playing vet enough for better weapons eventually, least played class

[untold mulch]

All brautos should have drum mags ngl

[gray stone]

probs the only good thing i have on vet

[midnight patrol]

was this gun originally

[grizzled pebble]

Saw this nice grey in the shop and crafted it up to yellow. 💀

[mystic belfry]

Just swap supercharge for brutal momentum and you’ll be solid

[mystic belfry]

God damn:v

[topaz pebble]

That's uh

[median hawk]

shovel gang (shit dmg roll)

[topaz pebble]

Really good

[grizzled pebble]

My current sword. I don't think higher cleave targets do anything anyway.

[midnight patrol]

How do you even reliably get headshots with a PS on charge

[grizzled pebble]

I'll just keep the new one around for whatever.

[midnight patrol]

I just swing it and it murderizes just as well lol

[snow pendant]

swing at head level

[topaz pebble]

Push attack for single target, light attacks are straight horizontal

[snow pendant]

and also poke at head level

[midnight patrol]

The mk3 can kinda score headshots reliably?

[topaz pebble]

Mk6 is busted, once it clicks you'll understand

[midnight patrol]

But at that point I stuck on rampage and just called it a day

[snow pendant]

with power cycler 1 charged push attack combo u behead a carapace

[midnight patrol]

Or the one that gives 5+ more power per kill

[median hawk]

this might sound dumb bo do stats matter more that the rating of the weapon ?

[gray stone]

been thinking to get that "hide last 20% of modifiers mod" so it stops playing into a likely subconscious "chasing god rolls" mentality

[topaz pebble]

Yes

[median hawk]

i always tend to roll for higher rating regardless of the stats

[midnight patrol]

That really stacked up with my charge and yet spam.

[median hawk]

aahh I see

[topaz pebble]

A good stat spread is better than a high roll weapon

[hybrid river]

Yes but rating determines how big the sum of the stats are

[topaz pebble]

Usually

[grizzled pebble]

Oh yeah it makes the bar prettier too. It looks so lame with a massive gap to 100%.

[topaz pebble]

Be me, get a 380 revovler

68 damage

Thanks brunt

[snow pendant]

380 revolver 58 dmg

lmao

[gray stone]

real stuff

[topaz pebble]

Bastard

[midnight patrol]

Someone showed a perfect 80 in all stats except damage for a revolver once

[topaz pebble]

Man is swimming in dockets at this point

[midnight patrol]

That was amazing lol

The damage was like 10 or something

[untold mulch]

[terse idol]

you can only roll 1-60 with a perfect 380

[median hawk]

should I keep the deathspitter blessing ? I dont know whats considered "close range"

[topaz pebble]

Apparently within 8m

[snow pendant]

i def didnt have death spitter on my columnus

[south garnet]

Stripped down to dumdum crit chance to maniac

[snow pendant]

i got something like dumdum then something else

[merry oak]

im pretty sure this is Slaught.

[frank ether]

that and improve bracing for all brrautos

make it snappier

I hate when the input is stuck

[south spindle]

Tbh i'd be happier with better non-ADS spread

But yeah the input stick is pretty annoying

[south garnet]

Is graia braced mode actually good?

[south spindle]

Its better than unbraced

[frank ether]

yeah a little better cone, at least initially.

[south spindle]

But it comes with a movement penality, so not really as a whole

[south garnet]

Agri brauto used unbraced is the only one I've ever used with any real success

[frank ether]

I think I know a way to solve this debacle

[south spindle]

Aye, having the same base spread as the IAGs dont make a whole lot of sense

[snow pendant]

dear emprah ur going to give me finger joint pains

[frank ether]

what if they made it so bracing doesnt rly cut your movement speed as much

[carmine cradle]

mk7 shovel over mk3, ye?

[frank ether]

but you have big spread on movementt

[south spindle]

Suppose that would also work yeh

[crisp bronze]

Graia Braced with Deadshot for maximum Dps and memes.

[south garnet]

Why do you say that

[frank ether]

like you have to stand still and fire in bursts if you want to be semi-accurate

[south garnet]

Curious

[merry oak]

macros are a beautiful thing

[terse idol]

I was thinking it could suck if they don't take into account how much you move

[carmine cradle]

i use my melee on vet for horde clear

[south garnet]

Eh I like the attack pattern on 3 fine

[terse idol]

Like inch abit and the spread goes wacky

[carmine cradle]

what do YOU think?

[terse idol]

But added movement speed would help it out

[merry oak]

bayonet is a great horde clear weapon no one can change my mind

[topaz pebble]

It is

[drowsy kayak]

does first target matter for the mk VI knife?

[topaz pebble]

Not mk3 hellbore bayonet though

[south garnet]

I haven't tried the 7 yet so I don't want to come down hard on it, but I think vanguard heavies are really overrated across most weapons that have it

[terse idol]

I would say so, but I haven't tested my new knife yet

[snow pendant]

bayonet is so good u can even use it against bulwarks

[terse idol]

Still would say mobility is a decent stat to dump on it

[snow pendant]

is so much better to use cuz u can aim at the bulwark head when the shield is open

[frank ether]

well the gun has a hipfire mode and braced mode one of the two should be for precise fire and the other for shooting on the move

[drowsy kayak]

cus I rolled a 372 with better stats across the board but a 60 first target

[merry oak]

no that one is a bastard child of the 3

[drowsy kayak]

and I got a 355 with 80 first target

i dunno which one to give to hadron

[terse idol]

It is part of the damage stat, so having a lower value could hurt imo

Try out both

[terse idol]

Don't eat it juust yet

[midnight patrol]

Yuuup lol

[drowsy kayak]

looking at the hard numbers it looks like the modifier is slightly higher on the 355 but has like. marginally less overall damage past first hit