veteran-class

[gusty bison]

Helbore is also more stable when dodging

[nimble sentinel]

but in usability infnantry las feels better in the hand

[gusty bison]

Also helbore can just stab the rager in the face

[spark helm]

and you don't need to get a full charge for the effect to be the same in cqc i'm guessing

[gusty bison]

U charge faster than the MG12 can shoot accurately anyway

[spark helm]

mhm

[karmic musk]

*looks at my hellbore 3

[gusty bison]

So its a moot point for rof

[gusty bison]

Womp

[nimble sentinel]

it can stab one rager in the face, a MG VI can shoot all 4 of the ones trying to turn your precious skin into a scrote covering

[karmic musk]

wimpy slash

[gusty bison]

Ha

Ha

You wish

[karmic musk]

also the slash animation glitches out often

[gusty bison]

It can stab 4

[nimble sentinel]

with the caxe exploit yeh

[gusty bison]

No

Without

[nimble sentinel]

infantry las works out the box

[gusty bison]

The stagger still hits all 4

[nimble sentinel]

you are not wrong grawr

I just feel safer staying consistently out of melee range than john wicking my way into it

[spark helm]

imma b real at that point i'm going melee for the better dodge and chance to take em on with what I can work with more comfortably.

interesting info though

[junior needle]

the what

[sonic skiff]

me lovin executioners revolver build

[spark helm]

i guess fuck it, I got enough to roll some greys and see where itgoes.

[gusty bison]

Also valid but sometimes u might wanna say kill a sniper before u go to melee

[karmic musk]

My melee does fk all against Carapace so I point blank blast with Hellbore 3

[gusty bison]

HB has that option

[sonic skiff]

its also def not optimal and shout is prob better

[gusty bison]

Inf las does not

[spark helm]

always. if they got a gun too I'm focusing them on average unless a disabler or rager cluster are coming to skullfuck me

[nimble sentinel]

goin off memory but if your caxe has limbsplitter and...uhm...another blessing, it transfers to the bayonet and can melt bosses with stabs

[thorn yoke]

Limbsplitter / Brutal Mom

[nimble sentinel]

yeh

thank ye gast

[gusty bison]

It used to 1 shot ragers with the exploit.

It now only 2 shots them

[spark helm]

fair

[gusty bison]

[south spindle]

Still hasnt been nerfed eh?

[spark helm]

and that's why it couldn't be me. zero shade

[gusty bison]

Nah expoit is fixed

This is just base helbore bayo

[small echo]

How would you improve this?

[thorn yoke]

Hellbore can 1-3 charged shot Ragers in any case, depending on your accuracy

[spark helm]

I'm not about to be out here with these 40k tweakers comboing me to death

lol

[karmic musk]

vendor it

[gusty bison]

As it fking turns out +30% weakspot damage +25% finesse is a drug

[south spindle]

Jfc... I get not wanting them to be useless, but FS really is all or nothing with some buffs/nerfs

[sonic skiff]

has anyone got a new revolver build to try out

exe stance new revolver felt like it was high noon all game

[spark helm]

does psyker get access to the new revolver?

[gusty bison]

The main issue is vet has way too many melee buffs

[nimble sentinel]

ah shit this is my job now lol

Ranged weak spot damage to carapace or maniac, headhunter is good, infernus might be improved by dumdum on the IIa

[gusty bison]

So like something that looks ok when grey and no talents... goes to insanity

[south spindle]

Ye, can supplement the ammo consumption well coz Assail ofc

[spark helm]

i love assail

[karmic musk]

Anyone do Exe Stance with Laspistol, you got so much mobility you dont need to switch to melee in cqc

[spark helm]

i'm not buying it but i'd be the feather hat psyker

[nimble sentinel]

but be warned Knightmare, recons are not considered good

[spark helm]

can't stop me

[junior needle]

#veteran-class message

but recon worked better on carapace.
You're gonna want to see that then, you went wrong somewhere.
does work. You are correct, but imho not correct enough
It works insofar as it can kill things, but the guns are still very much inferior to other guns baseline and require significant handholding from the talent tree just to go from absolute dogshit to acceptable.

Whereas other guns go from good-great to amazing or boss melting with a particular talent setup.

[spark helm]

imma do it

[gusty bison]

When u take +10% melee damage, +25% finesse, +30% weakspot damage, +15% elites, etc etc

[nimble sentinel]

I got videos, hold up

[karmic musk]

Somehow I'm using the left side of the tree for high mobility fast firing weapons over the intended weapons

[nimble sentinel]

would love to go deeper in the weeds too but I gotta go to the office real soon

[karmic musk]

Feel like it works better

[karmic musk]

where work from home

[gusty bison]

Basically iirc the base bayo stab does about 600 damage on headshot to ragers.

Without talents and perks

[spark helm]

i can copy and mod a talent spread if you don't mind sharing

[gusty bison]

Add in talents and perks and well

[nimble sentinel]

I do usually work from home but a new employee needs training

[gusty bison]

A rager only has 2k hp

[sonic skiff]

didnt they nerf it to 1k

[karmic musk]

throw them into the ocean Darktide is higher priority

[south spindle]

Still kinda upset they nerfed ragers ngl

[south spindle]

Base HP

[sonic skiff]

rager dumps make the game fun

[nimble sentinel]

Aight so this is when I was ready to go play a real game, I have since gotten an even better lasgun

[sonic skiff]

i love the new maps absolute onslaught of maulers n ragers

in massive waves

[nimble sentinel]

Not bad on muties

would not recommend tho

[karmic musk]

Where Shock Trooper

[south spindle]

Recon las boutta get nerfed again after FS see this

[gusty bison]

Oh ye you can still 1 shot muties btw

[nimble sentinel]

Pretty good on regular elites

[gusty bison]

With bayo

[whole moon]

anyone played much with the new chainsword or the new shovels?

[south spindle]

I tried em, not a fan, old shovel best shovel

[nimble sentinel]

Meh on a IIa

[gusty bison]

Icepick to the face

[karmic musk]

New Chainsword needs some cleave blessing, or it kinda feels awful

[nimble sentinel]

Small dps decrease with a columnus

[whole moon]

I wont waste my dwindling reserves testing one 🙂 I got a great folding shovel on the Ogryn

[stark hollow]

i like the new chaxe

[whole moon]

cheers Vero

[junior needle]

Did you look at my linked comment where I get 1200~ more dps using a columnus on a crusher with the exact same setup and method?

[stark hollow]

but not sure how the new revolver is. i see people saying its poo and others saying they like it

anyone got their opinions on new revolver

[nimble sentinel]

just posted my own columnus vid, can you link me yours pls?

[stark hollow]

?

[spark helm]

going to be setting up this hellbore attempt in a moment. any talent trees yall like a lot personally idm seeing them

[junior needle]

I already did, it was in #veteran-class message

[gusty bison]

HB2?

[spark helm]

ah fuck that's right idk which model

I guess whatever is fast without sacrficing too much dmg?

[karmic musk]

That means its perfectly balanced

[spark helm]

not quite sure how they work

[whole moon]

seen that fanning fire approach do some incredible things to bosses and ogryns

[spark helm]

I'll almost always sac firepower for speed and handling for my gunplay

[thorn yoke]

HB2 is the "Weakest" but fast charging, can hit most breakpoints but isn't as good of a lazy weapon. HB3 is the ultimate lazy weapon for bodyshots, but has the worst bayonet. HB1 is the middle ground, less handy/comfy than the HB2 but better damage breakpoints

[stark hollow]

would this be worth building?

[spark helm]

unless the point is to doink

[nimble sentinel]

tyvm, just gave both a watch

AIGHT YEH columnus is gonna work better, BUT I'm still confident recon might have a place in triple rending builds. Recoil is much easier to manage when there is none

[thorn yoke]

bear in mind, the Helbore ironsights are terrible but eventually you get used to them. Or cope with mods

[junior needle]

"triple rending"?

[whole moon]

I would, but I'm not always a good example to follow. I REALLY would

[nimble sentinel]

also lasgun gets headhunter, iag doesn't

[junior needle]

Where are you getting a third

[spark helm]

for the lazy part you mean just how solid that model is if I'm really not trying to think about it deeply enough?

[nimble sentinel]

from the lack of caffeine this morning making me stupid

[stark hollow]

this is what i got

is it bricked

or do i just swap gloryhunter to handcannon and sprint to maniac/flak

[karmic musk]

So anyone got a working Blessing combo for new Chainaxe that still makes it decent against hordes?

I'm going with Headtaker and Slaughterer for now

[thorn yoke]

HB2 requires you to have specific damage buffs or better accuracy to hit the one-hit breakpoints. HB1 or HB3 can basically bodyshot most human-sized targets with the right setups

[stark hollow]

what would you do with that orange now

[junior needle]

If recoil is an issue then the both the agri and graia IAG's outperform all the recons still.

Rending stacking does partially alleviate the horrible modifiers present on the guns and homogenize their performance more, but their weaker baseline performance means damage multipliers are simply less valuable on them compared to others.

[spark helm]

got you. my first thought is to just go mainly with left tree but i guess I could try doing my infiltrate style with it?

I just ignore middle tree because that thing just makes any gun work to me. if I really want shout or something for example sure i'll do it but otherwise I'm left or right.

at least with what I use on average

[karmic musk]

I feel Hellbore 3 best suits middle tree, but Hellbore 2 might need left tree to meet breakpoints

[nimble sentinel]

Full agreement, but it DOES work. I carried my second game with it

[junior needle]

It could "work" before, nothing has changed in that regard. You could still kill things with it, it just does it slower and takes more ammo. Also, your ttk is being carried hard by the ping talent.

[whole moon]

Ive only played with the new Ogryn weapons, havent got round to testing the new Revolver. At first glance tho no damage perks and not really much in the way of blessing love. I suspect Clanky wrecked it but hopefully someone whose played with em can help

[nimble sentinel]

optimized tree changed, I got room to take both rend talents and a keystone to push it further. What's wrong with a damnation-capable recon build?

[south spindle]

Muties

[thorn yoke]

I've not done any actual breakpoint calculations, because I'd prefer to just try it in psykhanium instead of punching things into spreadsheets. But a couple of ranged damage, the Killzone node (8m) and the Longshot node are ones I try to hit with the helbore.

[karmic musk]

What's the ammo situation without shock trooper

[stark hollow]

cause im not sure what i should take in place of sugrical on the new revolver

crucian?

[junior needle]

To better illustrate the point, here's a gray, talentless showcase for the columnus in the same fashion for maniac headshots. No ping talents, no rending, no nothing.

[karmic musk]

thanks hadron

[nimble sentinel]

shock trooper won't help much anyway with the dumb method of crit refunds on recon, survivalist + fully loaded does well enough if you focus your shots on the taggables and the shooters. There's enough flexibility to dump on the occasional mixed horde giving teammates trouble

[junior needle]

Shock trooper still gives 1 ammo per crit string, so it's much less effective than before but can still be worth it.

[junior grail]

Is it just me or are mat drops more sparse now?

[junior needle]

But it is 1/5 as effective as it was in patch 13

for the 6d specifically

[spark helm]

checks out enough for me. I get the the helpfulness of calculation shit but I'm not doing all that. If it's something that's good enough even before my own ability to push my play to force something to work, i'll be fine

[karmic musk]

Are these two subnodes worth it over choice A: +25 Toughness +10% Rending or Choice B: +25% Ammo +15% Dmg to Elites. Weapons are CAxe and Kantrael Shotgun

[tender mist]

Veteran mains, how are we feeling about the skill tree rework?

[nimble sentinel]

just to be clear soldier cause I do agree with you, the build is not meta or good for everyone or even recommended

but it did carry

[delicate estuary]

has anyone managed to kill the twins yet

cause it seems they both leave at specific HP levels

[spark helm]

those bitches keep smoke running from me.

[nimble sentinel]

they fart away before you can kill em, I had a game where one melted in a flash

[thorn yoke]

fwiw I used to exclusively use HB2, but switched to HB1 which take slightly longer for full charged shots but hits harder. Both work, and if enemies get within 8m well, the bayonet works quite well and if nothing else gives you enough space to pull your melee weapon

[delicate estuary]

ok ok so I am not going crazy

[spark helm]

idk if you have to stagger them somehow or something but I want that dub

[delicate estuary]

another pointless bossfight

[spark helm]

They really are just roaming bosses I think

[karmic musk]

And give you a lungful of gas and corruption

[spark helm]

my last run that fucking weirdo was just standing there

Like behind me.

didn't notice him until I just fired at the first I saw that wasn't my squad

[karmic musk]

New Special, Gas Bomber coming soon

[spark helm]

some grunt popped the blindspot cue

[delicate estuary]

yea whatever I guess just another useless DH bossfight concept

[karmic musk]

Anyone know how rending works? What is the original value that rending is bringing your armor damage back up to, is it the values on the top left?

[junior needle]

Not exactly the best metric, carrying a game is overwhelmingly about being competent as a player/teammate. You are at least well rounded if you're taking multiple rending talents on an automatic weapon, so having an answer to everything is good too.

Speaking of, I wonder how the brauto dps is looking with the new tree.

[spark helm]

good enough starting point? @gusty bison

I'm lazy asf about it fr

ican spin the greys if the stopping power needs to be higher

if it's passeable/relevant enough that's fine

[tender vine]

any must have talents for a plasma build?

[junior needle]

Enemies have damage reduction on a scale of 0-100 damage taken from something. Each point of rending takes away a point of that reduction. Rending past 100% gets turned into damage at 1/4 the rate.

Some weapons have positive multipliers to certain armor types, and so will do extra damage because you're already over 100% with it. In that case rending won't help you nearly as much much.

[spark helm]

or any hellbore users

[delicate estuary]

I cant decide on what is a dump stat on a knife

feel like I am alternating between damage and mobility

[karmic musk]

So if my Chainaxe has 119 value for Light Attack, and its damage vs Flak body is 209. That means it already has a multiplier over 100% for Flak?

[spark helm]

i mean don't really let me steer you like that but I kind of don't care about first target much

I still get my headstab kills pretty quickly.

maybe not against carapace like I could possibly but i use other guns and krak for that so it's whatever

[thorn yoke]

stopping power is a tad low. You can try it out though

[spark helm]

I wouldn't personally compromise on mobility for knives. it helps with positioning and managing aggroed mobs easier on the dodge dancing

[spark helm]

what's a better baseline?

65+?

[junior needle]

Should be the case, but you can hover over the penetration stat to see if that sheds more light on it.

[karmic musk]

Yeap rending is low value for CAxe then

90% vs Carapace on lights

[thorn yoke]

I'd prefer a goal of maxing power/stopping power. Ammo/Charge Rate/Stability can be mid 60s imo

[junior needle]

I'd advise shooting for at least 75/75 damage/stopping power on all guns

[spark helm]

got u

[junior needle]

Stability is the hb dump stat last I checked

[spark helm]

and yeah i feel you. it's just the safer bet on top of being better in the first place

[junior needle]

Some guns are very particular and want more than that

[thorn yoke]

Stability CAN be dumped but don't be like me and try to use a 40 Stability helbore. Worst experience of my life

[spark helm]

sometimes you gotta get washed

[nimble sentinel]

No hate but you’re acting like your wife left you for a recon that kicked your dog on its way out of eating your leftover apple pie. What’s wrong with a competent recon build?

[spark helm]

it's like that

lol

[junior grail]

Help Pls

How to build a good Agri Revolver build? I saw those crazy boss damage vids but can't replicate it

[delicate estuary]

how do people like the new chainsword

[karmic musk]

That escalated quickly

[karmic musk]

I use it with Wrath, good enough

Base cleave is atrocious

[junior needle]

[raw steppe]

realistically you can dump a bit of mobi and a bit of pen

cuz you're going to be getting a bunch of rending

from backstab or uncanny

[spark helm]

ey boss that's hella specific.

u gud? (joking)

[delicate estuary]

this good enough ?

[nimble sentinel]

No 😂

[junior needle]

That is very specific, you wanna talk about something?

[raw steppe]

no the dmg is too low

you need dmg, finesse, first target to be high

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-wow-gif-22787734

my b

[nimble sentinel]

I’m commuting to work nobody has ever suffered as much as I am this morning

[jovial nexus]

Is suppression immunity mandatory?

[spark helm]

shit you in the fucked up highways in the States or something?

that shit is murder

[spark helm]

nah

[nimble sentinel]

For killing gunners, most of the time

Everything else it’s just nice to have if you can spare the points

[spark helm]

you can swing it but before you get a feel for playing without it it can help you figure it out

[karmic musk]

Huh til helbore has a super high maniac multiplier when far

[spark helm]

not trying to be a dick but supp immunity isn't bad as a training wheel kind of qol talent to me.

[delicate estuary]

dick

[jade notch]

Not really, depends on the weapon.

The Lucius Hellbore Lasguns, for example, are so stable that you probably don't need Suppression Immunity.

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[karmic musk]

Only Inf Lasguns need that immunity imo

[delicate estuary]

[spark helm]

i tried

i really did

[nimble sentinel]

It’s impossible to headshot a gunner with an infantry lad without it

[spark helm]

gonna run smoke marksman focus now

that good enough?

fuck it, full spite, autopi-pffft

bro i can't

[delicate estuary]

I been larping the catachan jungle warrior with movement aura, smoke nades and stealth with right keystone 😎

[spark helm]

that gun is comically bad

[grim cargo]

It’s nice if you have the points but isn’t essential. I like it with my plasma gun for mowing down gunner squads

[spark helm]

oh well, okay. I see you.

[nimble sentinel]

My phone changed las, and I prefer calling them lads

Infantry lads gun

[hollow turtle]

Lol I bet after the new update, people are using the mod to alter zealot's fire grenade appearance.

[spark helm]

I'm a maniac that'll challenge it until I really need to stop lol

[karmic musk]

Any Focus Target user, would you take Exhilarating Takedown over Focused Fire (+3 Focus Target max stack)?

[hollow turtle]

lol yes.

"Toughness is important"

Faced the ranged karnak twin for the first time. Not so bad.

[spark helm]

i don't notice the difference but it's easier to just stack that toughness gen with anything else you got going on for that kind of play.

[junior needle]

But to answer you seriously, I'm just being a realist with the guns, although that comes with the risk of sounding like I'm poopooing on peoples hopes and dreams at times. I'd like very much for them to be in a better state because they're my favorites (at least until volley gun comes out).

Unfortunately they've been sitting in the dumpster for the almost the entirety of the games existence. A fact I learned only after rolling 32+ yellow 6d's for infernus 4 prior to the crafting patch and still not getting it .

Only to get to the crafting patch, get it, and find out the guns BLEW at actual high difficulty.

While you can make them (or at least the 6d) "usable" with the talent tree, you can also make better guns even better with it too. They're still quite sub par by comparison, and I'd like to contribute to getting that resolved in an actual timely manner.

[hollow turtle]

Now as for the melee twin..

Waiting to get brutally murdered

[spark helm]

dudes a bitch like his brother or whatever they are to each other.

fuck em up.

they'll run anyway

[grim cargo]

That encounter was so funny the first time

[hollow turtle]

Lol I saw a video and I was like, "Is that a zealot or a boss?"

[spark helm]

not bro fuck that fazbear ass goon. These dudes are fucking weirdos man

[hollow turtle]

"yes"

[grim cargo]

He charged the psker at mach Jesus and fucked him up lol

[spark helm]

Literally I was just talking about it

That asshole was just

[hollow turtle]

XD

[spark helm]

STARING at me

behind me

and then fight started

who tf?

like

wht?

[topaz lance]

That guy/gal one-shot me the first time they appeared.

[hollow turtle]

Lol people asking "Give us a space marine as a boss." And then there's the melee twin.

They can shut up now.

[delicate estuary]

what a godroll 😎

[spark helm]

wow.

that's hateful.

[hollow turtle]

Lol i want to see a video of how slow that thing swings

Must be made out of pure lead.

[grim cargo]

I got a bully club with a 0 in damage once lol. Feels bad

[karmic musk]

Ranged Twin is easy on his own, added in a horde however and he's piercing through all the trash to you

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bruh-annoyed-gif-21339312

[hollow turtle]

I still have that agri shotgun with 0% stability

[spark helm]

I can't call bullshit

[opal crag]

Is II power sword better than VI power sword ? as it has 2 combo hits instead of 4

[spark helm]

just. how?

[hollow turtle]

Luck of the Omnissiah

[trim steppe]

What's your favorite weapon to take with CIAG?

[hollow turtle]

Playing my psyker right now. Man, that combat stim on assail is something.

[spark helm]

psyker juiced up off the gooch water

[jade notch]

GOD-EMPEROR, I'M TWEAKING AAAAAAAAAAAA

[spark helm]

i wouldn't want to smoke shit in the imperium

smoke a bowl, get mind flayed by some garbage

stupid world

[hollow turtle]

You smoke anything, Tzeentch or Slaanesh will visit you.

[spark helm]

great

thanks

[jade notch]

I know Lhos are a thing, but those are cigarettes, not the zaza

[grim cargo]

They’re both good. I like the MK 6 move set more though

[spark helm]

Wha, I'm gonna have my skin turned into rotted jello or something because I wanted to chill out for a second?

awesome.

[topaz lance]

Obsura is heroin/opium
Stims are meth

[delicate estuary]

good enough. Just gonna craft flesh tearer and maniac and we gucci

[spark helm]

that's all they got?

[opal crag]

wont shorted combo be better ? I use special power attack for specs

[delicate estuary]

I mean uncanny strike not flesh tearer

[spark helm]

can't have shit in the imperium.

this sucks

[junior needle]

6 is overwhelmingly considered better due to being able to use lights for horizontals, the inherent block cost reduction, and the charged push attack.

[spark helm]

can't drop anything either, ego death probably just some warp trip or whatever

[junior needle]

Also there's no 2 power sword, it's a 3 I think

[spark helm]

i hate 40k bro lol

[delicate estuary]

40k hates you too

[spark helm]

yeah whatever. grumble.

they got twinkies in 40k?

nvm

no fun

[delicate estuary]

aight 600k dockets later I have a new knife 💀

now to save for the revolver

[hollow turtle]

Oh I actually forgot about new weapons

[thorn yoke]

man, that's better than the one power sword I rolled before the second model dropped. Where is it....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994476872882720788/1170262247197642804/image.png?ex=657d50a6&is=656adba6&hm=048991bd525ff6e3a88fc2f997a4cc8a2197c113eb4ab50a99d390966e2d3336&

[dusky flare]

does the new knife do the same single target damage

[naive quiver]

i got it running heresy , just channeled all my faith into the emperor, and my trusty shovel

[delicate estuary]

new knife has sick moveset with true combos therefore its superior 😎

[dusky flare]

true combos < special attack spam

[thorn yoke]

So... what blessings are the ones you want to look for on the new knife?

[dusky flare]

same as the old one

[spark helm]

@umbral scaffold hb2 for the lazy one right?

finally about to spin the greys

[thorn yoke]

HB1 hits harder, HB2 handles smoother. I'd buy a grey one and check the sights on both to see which you like better tbh

Also note, you can use a comissary skin to switch your hb2 to hb1 iirc.

[spark helm]

this bastard brunt just fucked me out my grey money

I'm

[thorn yoke]

Specifically: HB2: Shortest charge time, lowest damage. HB1: Longer charge time, higher peak damage. Both have basically the same bayonet.

[spark helm]

I'm gonna eat my hand

I stg

the best one I got with the dockets I burned

[thorn yoke]

that one is probably good enough to start off with. You're gonna want to upgrade it later but it'll work

[spark helm]

I mean...melk's right there...

I could

you know

spin it again.

[thorn yoke]

let that gambler's spirit flow.. through you?

[spark helm]

fs got me fucked up

lol

not like this

[jade notch]

But the game of chance is Tzeench's domain

[round yacht]

This is totally usable right? i only change unyielding and rev it up to something else and its good to go?

[delicate estuary]

everyone thinking they are playing 40k darktide when they are playing 40k slots

[spark helm]

ah yes, the changer of pachinko

[thorn yoke]

Challenge: only use weapons that the Emperor Gifts you

[jade notch]

Yes, and by cavorting with the Lord of Change did Konami damn the Metal Gear franchise

Glances at Metal Gear Survive

[spark helm]

sega cabinet yakuza was him too then

ez

it all makes sense

[jade notch]

ye

[spark helm]

battle pass

tzeentch

loot box, tzeentch

[ivory rock]

Decided to blow a few things on Melks rando lotto. Think this has a chance?

At least as a temp Kant? Cause I dont got one rn

[spark helm]

fuck it spinnin melk

once

only once

[ivory rock]

Oh and this Agrip pray it rolls well it is beautiful

[south spindle]

It has a chance, sure, but i wouldnt risk it

[sharp ember]

good looking potential, i would change rev it up and hold off on a 2nd change until you test it in the meat grinder

chaxes hit really damn hard so it might be good to check what comes short of a 1 shot

[spark helm]

spun melk wheel

I'm being fucked with. I know it.

I was thinking of hb3

[south spindle]

Melk-roulette is atrociously bad

Worse than Brunt

[spark helm]

this fucker gave me hb3

[ivory rock]

I spin melk wheel when Im above 5k and he has nothin worthwhile in shop, mainly just for funsies but on the off chance he gives me sumn semi decent or a blessin i dont have

[south spindle]

Can't bitch about his items too much, got a good Shovel for me Oggy and a Laspistol for Psyker yesterday

[spark helm]

i hope melk itches even after a clean wipe

cursed

hexed even

[ivory rock]

Is the new shovel fun?

Also God bless the removal of the damn bloat on Vet tree I actually feel useful again

[stuck bridge]

Mark 3 or 7 shovel?

[ivory rock]

oh there's 2 lul

Both I guess

[south spindle]

Vet Shovels? They're fun sure, but i dont feel like they're out-doing the old one personally

[idle carbon]

the mk3 shovel can one-shot crushers

[stuck bridge]

wak

[idle carbon]

where's that gif when you need it

[sharp ember]

but not the 7?

[frank ledge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1163362097418223636/1697428832621327.gif?ex=653f4c62&is=652cd762&hm=f0098d63e985c6e567b1107f00464a35adea5d8c250073ccb076efb726dafac2&

[zealous wyvern]

no way old shovel can oneshot a crusher

lol

[idle carbon]

the mk7 has better horde control, same heavy spam as the regular vet shovel

[ivory rock]

How tf does Scattershot apply on this things special cause I'm like.... big rn

[noble zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1181634820149887178/HIGH_NOON_MF.mp4?ex=6581c62e&is=656f512e&hm=975e11d93d0ab54a1b6318905d2826519abe98d3a3f8530051e6a3b43050e3ec&

[south spindle]

No, but it can stagger everything which buys you out of situations you otherwise wouldnt be surviving

[zealous wyvern]

old shovel is horrible into crushers

[spark helm]

all of my shots are going into these ogryns and I can't stop it

[noble zinc]

Has to be shown again because funny

[south spindle]

Imo, on a ranged class, thats more valuable

[zealous wyvern]

oh i know its not bad mud

[stuck bridge]

with rending blessing it can handle them ok

[zealous wyvern]

i just mean that old shovel cannot oneshot

[ivory rock]

what kinda fucking demon is that

[noble zinc]

High noon

[frank ledge]

New volver

Fatshark released yet another batch of broken weps

[ivory rock]

Like I see the chained shot and crucian but thats without hand cannon???

[south spindle]

Sure, one shots are all well an good, but not so good if you get your shit pushed in trying to do it is my logic

[grim cargo]

[frank ledge]

Outside of chaxe which ain't bad but it isn't this shit

[noble zinc]

Trick shooter crucian

[zealous wyvern]

i wish it was a 6 shooter so bad

[sharp ember]

what the HELL are those numbers

[idle carbon]

there was a video I saw from someone, apparently when you fire the slug, it counts all enemies in the line you fired along as behind "hit" for the purposes of scattershot, even if it doesn't do a single thing to it

not sure if that was changed this patch or not

[karmic musk]

Does anybody feel like Vet tree is still a mess? It really looks like a rushed job. The top has so much space

And then we have a clusterfk of a bottom

[noble zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1181737958991208458/image-15.png?ex=6582263d&is=656fb13d&hm=004b5e7643be44e0a52aed686bc589d7f771bcaaf7c5514ab5b6396460f79943&

Mileage may vary.

[near sable]

trick cruc..

now do it with crushers...

[noble zinc]

Would want cruc cannon for crushers I'm p sure

[hollow turtle]

Oh. The twins are only around for 7 days.

[noble zinc]

Thank god

[near sable]

yeah but will we get poxwalker santer klaus

[noble zinc]

They keep spawning on top of daemonhosts

[spark helm]

nah keep them bitches in

[near sable]

with a sack full of meltabombs

[spark helm]

i want the smoke

[hollow turtle]

I would like for them to reverse the flame damage though.

[noble zinc]

They'll be a boss fight I'm p sure

[spark helm]

imma figure out how to kill them if it's at all possible

[ivory rock]

Yeah seems to work like thatt so this is what I call the "absolute dumbshit crazy build" and I'm going to enjoy it even if these blessings are like polar opposites LMAOOOOO

[spark helm]

I fucking hate them.

[sharp ember]

i want more surprises like them, perhaps an elite scab commando squad

[hollow turtle]

Suddenly that decrease damage from flamers on curios looks better than snipers.

[slim shard]

How are people liking the new revolver? Because I love it.

It's always high noon

[spark helm]

Just because of how they're shown up for me

[near sable]

seems great on veteran

unsure about zealot

[spark helm]

straight up, just being creeps about it lmao

[wet moon]

vet chat this was kinda scuffed but i hope this makes my point: uncanny/executor with appropriate buffs is very consistent and reliable on the new knife

can even get it to 2 shot with a cursed build of every buff you can get. nice alternative to serrated + uncanny + mercy killer

[idle carbon]

I wonder if flamer/bomber damage reduction still only applies to their melee attacks lol

[midnight patrol]

.. Huh. So new Vet tree allows that sorta jumping around the trees?

Glorious.

[noble zinc]

Yus

Kinda op

[wet moon]

i have been testing this a lot

[zealous wyvern]

what

[noble zinc]

Vet nodes vary between too good and underwhelming. So letting players pick and choose a lot of nodes is kinda redicilous.

[midnight patrol]

Ngl I think this would work even on things like the Vraks mk7 now.

[noble zinc]

Vet + most ranged weapons = silly rn.

[spark helm]

it's great

[noble zinc]

Hell plasma vet has gotten even stronger so I often times don't get to hit shit on zealot because they're shooting trash and still have ammo to spare.

[spark helm]

i'm getting so many distractions from releveling a zealot

i love it

[noble zinc]

I assume some nodes may get nerfed in the future.

[wet moon]

@formal lake what would be a better way to test/ would you rather test yourself. reworked executor on new knife + uncanny

[noble zinc]

I assume you lose executor stacks when hitting a different target right?

[versed merlin]

can vets finally solo deamonhosts under 10 sec like zealots?

[wet moon]

no, i dont believe so as long as its still a weak spot hit., will check

[noble zinc]

In that case I might use it instead of flesh tearer to have the knife own both crushers and hordes

[wet moon]

nope you keep em

if they update the new knife to have the updated dmg profiles of the Mk3 knife this will be fucking bonkers, especially with the punch follow-up attack

[rare pawn]

@grizzled pebble And for funsies; the Veteran it rides in on;

[gritty dock]

Make a camouflage skin on the weapon. 😉

[rare pawn]

But if I did that it wouldn't look as much as possible like an inquisitorial stormtrooper's gun... 😉

(Oh... for a hot-shot lasgun... forlorn sigh)

[karmic musk]

So what you're saying is your dude is cosplaying

[rare pawn]

That would require him to not be an inquisitorial stormtrooper by this point.

When he wears the Commissar's uniform then he's cosplaying.

[near sable]

he wears no pajamas

[rare pawn]

And given his personality it's probably not the first time he's worn one.

[near sable]

and yet is supposed to be a stormtrooper

where is his pjs

[rare pawn]

What, the red short pants we see on the guys round the Mourningstar?

[rare pawn]

Ahhh. (I'm used to when "Stormtrooper" was just Kasrkin models.)

[hollow turtle]

Normally I don't like revolvers, but the new one is kind of fun.
New laspistol is pocket sized version of an MG12.
Can't tell how I feel about the new knife. Seems to have more CC than the Mk III, but how would its heavy perform against armor?

[near sable]

true, but now they all wear long johns under their armour

[near sable]

see above.

[ivory rock]

I wanna try this you know where to find the build or do we only have the vid?

[errant dragon]

Does For the Emperor refresh on highlighted kill? Or is it just for those first 5 seconds even if you keep Executioner's Stance running longer?

[sharp ember]

new laspistol rocks

las deagle

[inner drift]

it's the USP-S to the old one's P2000

hits illegal breakpoints on specials, better against ragers and maulers in my experience, requires better headshot accuracy to be good compared to the old one

and on vet it has literally infinite ammo

(tbf so does the old one this patch, this one's just... More infinite)

[void gyro]

are there blessings/perks that make it able to deal with crushers? or is that a krak situtation

[hollow turtle]

Depends on gun you're using

[void gyro]

the new laspistol

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-gaming-mgs-guns-gif-17353618

new update summarized

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-revolver-ocelot-ocelot-mgs-gif-25468034

[hollow turtle]

Bounces right off the carapace unless crits. That's a krak situation I'd say.

[near sable]

go grab the 20% rending from the tree with 10 stacks of focus

w dumdum

[hollow turtle]

That's a lot of headshots for a slow firing laspistol.

Easy to maintain but while in motion against a horde, is something else.

[near sable]

the biggest issue with the laspistols is the way you hold it

[hollow turtle]

Lol

"You have to use two hands"

[inner drift]

Onslaught + 10% rending + left keystone rending is theoretically practical this patch but

[near sable]

the hiveblaster 9000

[inner drift]

I wouldn't

[mellow bridge]

Have you guys tried out the new laspistol? I'm not a fan. It eats too much ammo and doesn't really provide comparative damage

[inner drift]

wat

run deadshot shock trooper

[near sable]

fatshark archetype w

[inner drift]

you cannot run out of ammo in Damnation or higher

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/doc-ock-it-cant-be-stopped-its-self-sustaining-now-doctor-octopus-spiderman-gif-24058045

[mellow bridge]

I use the middle tree

[charred scarab]

are grenade quick throws bugged?

i get the aimed arc no matter what

[inner drift]

on this patch you have enough points to pick up shock trooper

and IMO it's worth it on laspistol builds

especially since you can get the 0.25s stamina regen delay below it and IMO you need at least one of those nodes in every build

[mellow bridge]

I shall give it a try then. My vet does have a lot of stamina. What blessings?

[inner drift]

Dumdum for sure, infernus/ghost/reassuring in the other slot

actually I'm not 100% sure on this model, does anyone think dumdum might not be worth it on this because it stacks slower than on the MK2?

[mellow bridge]

Yeah. I was thinking that too. Same thing with infernus

You get the same burn stacks but with a much lower firreate

[karmic musk]

Hmm MG IV Lasgun with Infiltrate works pretty alright

Need to supplement it with an anti-armor melee tho

[mellow bridge]

The most sane veteran skill tree

[near sable]

it's not a race track yet

[karmic musk]

The idea is to keep shooting and never stop with infinite ammo and stealth

[umbral scaffold]

so what's the general opinion on the heavy laspistol?

[sharp ember]

sick af

[near sable]

seems like a supersoaker

[mellow bridge]

Not impressed. But I will try it with a different set of blessings

[inner drift]

I think infernus is fine on this one tbh since the stacks cap at 10 anyway

[near sable]

I protest

[raw steppe]

the perks are more important than the blessings on that

so i would hope you're prioritizing those lol

[inner drift]

and with 50% crit chance you stack it fine on anything that needs the stacks anyway

what perks are you targeting on the new laspistol? Flak/Unarmoured or Flak/crit chance?

[raw steppe]

I haven't had time to play with the BPs yet sadly

too engrossed by revolver and knife

but yeah I would make sure your 25% perks are set up properly

over the blessings

[gritty dock]

How does Low Profile (Infiltrate add-on) work? If you could explain what it does?

[sharp ember]

i ran the pistol with deadshot + agile engagement and it punched holes

[karmic musk]

You get 10seconds where almost everything ignores you after your stealth ends

[raw steppe]

opens up raking fire

on pistols and iags as an option

[sharp ember]

enemies will ignore you if they have another player in their immediate area to target

does nothing if alone

[gritty dock]

Oh thanks, I understood it now.
Because initially I thought it reduced 90% of the damage.

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

cool fuck it

I don't have anything that I would think of changing save perks but imma just do it

[winter dock]

How is the new tree?

[timid otter]

It doesnt reduce the aggro or damage just redirects it to teammates

Its a bad talent.

Dont use it.

[thick kestrel]

yeah, it's... kind of a greedy node? but if you're running a loadout which can take advantage of it (a Raking fire IAG for example) it can be a very powerful tool to let you take out priority targets quickly... but you have to note that you're directing threat onto your team.

so if you can't capitalise on that reduced threat by taking down important targets then you're arguably hurting your team mates

[winter dock]

Its really good if you do have a raking IAG tho. Lets you erase lines of just about anything with close to 0 retaliation. Requires a bit of coordination tho- an uncoordinate team will waste time killing the things its your job to kill. The kind of niche use case thats good in tactically designed compositions

[thick kestrel]

but being able to fade past some ragers to unload into their backs with a raking IAG can be a MASSIVE swing in your teams favour. the mkV in particular with a dumb-dumb/raking fire combo does WORK

[round yacht]

The new shovel mechanic IS SOOOOOO COOOOOL i cant get enough of it xD it sounds a little funny too

[amber cliff]

so how is new shovels?

[ivory aurora]

thoughts ?

[amber cliff]

what is this

a image for ANTS??

[round yacht]

a heavy special almost 1 shot a bulwark for me but it was a random occasion that i remember

[ivory aurora]

thats odd why is the image so small

[inner drift]

It's pretty useful for objectives and revives, I don't think it's any worse than infiltrate and shroudfield

just... Use responsibly

[timid otter]

Purge it with napalm

[inner drift]

because yeah you can fuck your team with it

[ivory aurora]

agreed

[hollow turtle]

What perk to change?

[ivory aurora]

its the new chain sword but i have to choose between 8% special or 8 % groaners

[inner drift]

8% groaners actually hits a breakpoint on that I think LMAO

3rd and 4th light attack headshot with no other power bonuses

8 special is useless, I can't find a relevant breakpoint for it

[ivory aurora]

there we go

[inner drift]

25 Flak over specials would be my pick

and I think Wrath > Savage on this particular model

[ivory aurora]

ok. i got screwed with blessings and had to change it. perks were not much better

[inner drift]

because it can struggle against massed bruisers if you have savage

That's pretty solid tbh

sure beats mine

[ivory aurora]

i dont have wrath yet it came with rev it up

thank you

[winter dock]

hmmm

Designing a plink setup (plink = semi-auto weapon that focuses on baleeting specials, elites, and shooters). I find myself taking marksmans focus now because there isn't much else that seems better? But don't have enough points to take more than 1 mof its subnodes, so I go with the +5 max stacks. Thoughts, anyone?

Also how do I make the game start on a specific monitor? Cuz its not starting on the primary one :/

[inner drift]

not a fan, I'd rather take the gain stacks on standing still if you can't afford the other nodes

[raw steppe]

standing still is good

i'd take that one if you can only grab

1

[winter dock]

Is it? I mean standing still is kind of death, I'd think that encouraging it is... bad?

[inner drift]

+5 stacks is good if using with 10% rending since it gives you more leeway, but standing still is stronger standalone

it gives -aggro while active

so that's the rest of your team's problem now

[winter dock]

does it actually?

[sour elbow]

Doesn't say it does, but this is fatshark so...

[winter dock]

If it does that's just old camo, which is god-tier so

especially since I also have the aura toughness regen node (sort of by default when moving to Iron will and demo team)

I don't like the +suppression node because it actively fucks my exe stance and the temporary buff node doesn't mean much if I'm only hitting my button once every couple minutes

[inner drift]

It was datamined to do so but I'm not 100% sure if that functionality actually works

[winter dock]

only one way to find out

lets see

[trim hemlock]

This is a myth AFAIK, it’s just an unused function

[winter dock]

it will help slightly with keeping stacks up, but I would really like to be able to hit 15 stacks. What would I give up? Iron will and demo team seem like must-haves

[inner drift]

ok, good to know

thanks for the correction

[sour elbow]

The old camouflage dropped aggro so I guess it might be old code not used anymore.

[inner drift]

the 90% aggro reduction from stealth node DOES work though, right?

[tardy turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

[winter dock]

Yeah, it did at patch 13 so unless they broke it it does now

[trim hemlock]

It is working as intended (or it did in P15, the last time I used it)

It’s a good upgrade for sure

[winter dock]

its only -90% though, and it doesn't really work on melee enemies since they're aggro range is so much shorter

[karmic musk]

Disproved long ago, reddit post was misinfomation

Stealth node on infiltrate does work

[inner drift]

yep, thanks for the correction

would be real nice if it did that tbh

[winter dock]

hol up what the fuck

new revolver is busted?

[trim hemlock]

Ah yes. The return of Camo Vet.

[inner drift]

sustained fire actually good???

[trim hemlock]

In the worst possible iteration

[tardy turtle]

It flops if you don't have other teammates nearby to draw aggro. When you do though, literally everything ignores you. Go ham with your Raking Fire columnus

[spark helm]

alright so Id like some help

[inner drift]

I think it needs it to be competitive with other trees tbh

[winter dock]

I honestly don't think old camo would even be that bad. There's an entire ogryn setup that would love to eat more aggro- they even have a button explicitly designed to force it

[inner drift]

even if it is cancer for teamplay

[spark helm]

What's a better way of playing with a hellbore?

[winter dock]

Better compared to what?

[trim hemlock]

It does work on melee enemies if they have somebody else to target. I haven’t had the chance to see how they behave when you are far away from a legible melee target, but it still allows you to completely drop ranged aggro off of you, if you wish so

[spark helm]

Approaching gunplay with it.

It's unwieldy for me. learning it again but idk where these breakpoints start

[rose oyster]

This has probably been said already, but how's the new shovels?

[winter dock]

Yeah, I used old camo extensively and its identical functionality it just lasts 10s. Aggro is based on target availability. Things care about what's "in range" for them. For ranged enemies that's just line of sight, but melee enemies or short range specials have a limited distance they are "willing" to go for a target they would prefer to hit. So even if that rager really wants to go hit the psyker for whatever reason, they won't if the psyker is too far away relative to a much easier target.

So it is with vet camo, if none of your team is close enough to bait melee enemies, your camo won't do shit. Old camo vet had to stay close enough to allies to convince poxers to ignore them

[rose oyster]

Done some testing but I haven't tested them with a full proper orange yet cause I'm broke on plasteel

[trim hemlock]

Can’t tell - I burned 1M dockets on new items and I’ve yet to get a decent piece

I love Brunt

[half ginkgo]

Haven’t tested myself since I also farming plasteel but from discussion yesterday - Mk. 3 can 2 shot crushers with heavy special and stacked decimator and/or Skullcrusher make it into decent light spam horde option. 7 by default is better add clear but worse pen, so I wouldn’t take it over Mk 3 or the old one

[inner drift]

brunt gave me this on my second try

I am a very happy veteran today

[sour elbow]

Yeah. I really miss camo, because it let me go into executioners and shoot the crap out of all the specialists and stuff unmolested. It's what I quite enjoy smoke grenades, because I tend to drop them at my feet, go into executioner and try to do the same.

[sour elbow]

I'm wondering if it's worth flushing my dockets to try and get a lasrifle with the blessings I want instead of waiting. What's your opinion?

[winter dock]

Ah, in that case there's a bunch to know.

There are three hellbore variants. One has the best charge shot, but the worst uncharged shot, and the worst overall ammo efficiency for its damage.
Another has the best uncharged shot, but the worst charged shot, and decent ammo efficiency.
One has neither the best charged or uncharged, but by far the best ammo efficiency.

I know that the 3 is the first one, but I can never remember which is which for the other two.

All 3 of them are good for different reasons- though most people prefer the 3 because it can onetap just about anything with a fully charged crit, which it can guarantee via surgical (and guarantee quickly via deadshot)

I personally prefer the one with the best uncharged, because the charge shot is still decent enough to onetap most things and it isn't the worst to two-tap ragers and up- especially since it also has the fastest charge rate of the three. Its ammo efficiency is decent two, and when paired with shocktrooper is just as practically infinite as the other two helbores.

[rose oyster]

Seems pretty similar to how the Ogryn versions are going. You can 1-shot a crusher with a little setup but it's a matter of deciding whether the rest of the weapon is good enough to justify using it over something else

[winter dock]

On all 3 you want Surgical, because charging the shot guarantees a minimum number of stacks and pairing that wit hdeadshot and a 5% crit perk gets you very close to guaranteed crits on every charge shot- and absolutely guaranteed if you're willing to slow your dps a little

[rose oyster]

That's the thing. Vet already has enough ways to kill crushers and other high priority enemies that it's a ??? as to whether the weapon is worth it or not

[inner drift]

Verti???

holy shit it's been forever

[winter dock]

Think of it like this. With this shovel you don't need krak grenades

You could take smokes or shreds, and have extra points to toss around since they aren't spent on kraks

[karmic musk]

Krak Grenades will always be useful thanks to Bulwarks

[rose oyster]

BUT these weapons also need some setup beforehand. Krak grenades are a lot easier to use in a "oh shit" moment comparatively

[sour elbow]

I'm honestly yet to get around to using them, but watching others use them they definitely give a "I will pay you 1 grenade to *$^& off" vibe for crushers and stuff.

[karmic musk]

Smoke is kinda scuffed since Grenade Tinkerer is under Krak node so you waste points regardless

[sour elbow]

yeah. god I wish there was a 'pinch' after grenades like there is before.

[half ginkgo]

I have extensively used 3 and 2 for BP testing (while figuring out +perks). Mk 3 absolutely needs +maniac and +25 cara for its BPs. Helbore 2 just needs +maniac. Helbore 1 I don’t have too much experience with but IIRC it’s either standard flak/maniac or maniac/elite. One quirk of Helbore 1 which I don’t like - it has the same charged shot dmg vs. cara as 2 while taking 2 more ammo per shot on top of slower fire rate. IMHO, Helbore 1 is a stop-gap gun till you can farm a good roll Mk. 2 which is a bit of PITA to get

[sour elbow]

Instead of that line you have to trail over

[cosmic crag]

Fraggen

(smokin)

[rose oyster]

Or you can play the game on easy mode and just use the chainsword. No need to perma roll for Mk4 Power Cycler if the person is new that way

[winter dock]

The main issue with Kraks is that we get only 2 of em, 3 if you take a node, and on higher difficulties you get clumps of like 5-6 ogryns and oftentimes other armored shit scattered about

even clumped up one or two kraks ain't gonna kill it all

[half ginkgo]

Or just shovel. I prefer shovel over csword tbf

[winter dock]

a reliable melee to just tap them out doesn't run out

[half ginkgo]

Shovel/plasma goes hard

[winter dock]

Shovel my beloved

I just use it because its the chalk with which I draw my anti poxxer circle

Spam heavies and spin like a beyblade

[sharp ember]

does this mean chainsword facilitates easy difficulty or that easy difficulty is needed to facilitate chainsword

[rose oyster]

Honestly I find that on higher difficulties, like Auric T5, that Ogryns keep getting so grouped up that I can kill 2-3 with a single krak grenade. maybe i'm just lucky but it's been fun to do

[rose oyster]

Chainsword makes the game easy

[winter dock]

2-3 out of like 10 yes

:p

it is very satisfying to baleet the siamese triplet crusher patrol

but often times they come in mentos packs of like 10

[cosmic crag]

three randoms fully die on damnation to hordes and special, my level 1 vet clears horde and pushes to res w a grey shovel

that was a proud moment

[winter dock]

nice

[cosmic crag]

testament only to shovel

[sharp ember]

how are you in damnation

[cosmic crag]

it was thru disc on here

[winter dock]

that is true, damn is locked to what

level 15?

Didn't they raise it to like 25?

[half wigeon]

I've seen this clip 500x Jésus

[rose oyster]

something like that yeah

[sharp ember]

i see, premade lobby

[rose oyster]

not sure if they've raised it

[half ginkgo]

I can tell you when I will finally decide to continue leveling my Ogryn

Poor sod is perma stuck on lvl2

[winter dock]

I am trying to think of what else to put into my 2 remaining loadout slots

I have my Plinky lasgun slot, my Plinky not-lasgun slot, and my IAG/Brauto slot

hmm

[rose oyster]

It's now. Ogryn is mega busted . 1-shots most enemies in the game with next to no prep, and melts bosses without even trying

[winter dock]

Oh I forgot my Recon las slot

[crude wind]

this clip is mega misleading

[rose oyster]

also just doesn't die

[crude wind]

dude is testing on a static psykhanium monster

which means no ping

[half ginkgo]

Plasma and/or Boltor

[crude wind]

no hit reg issues

and the mosnter is just standing still

[winter dock]

Thats plinky not-lasgun slot

[crude wind]

this is never going to happen on live

[half wigeon]

Yeah and building all around boss kill with perfect settings

[winter dock]

exact same build as I use with my headhunter autos

[half wigeon]

Yeah exactly

[crude wind]

it's just nonsense

same dude was saying the new chain axe is OP

[half ginkgo]

Which tree? Left mid or right. TBF, I kinda feel like right tree pogryn is an ammo goblin

[winter dock]

unless you mean like a specialty weapon spec setup for the autocrits or a shout setup with bolter?

[crude wind]

when it's really, really not

[sour elbow]

What, you mean 'labratory condition' testing doesn't necessarily corrolate to 'real world' experience? Get out of here! :p

[half wigeon]

I think it is now only playable but surely not op

[crude wind]

the things that are OP in this game atm are the 4 fucking talent trees and how insane some of the baseline mechanics of the game are

[winter dock]

If everyone's super

Noone is.

[crude wind]

you'd think I'd not have to explain that eh XD

[crude wind]

what a reference 🙂

[rose oyster]

Think of it this way. Go left if you just want to smack stuff for big numbers and be a horde mulcher. Go middle if you want to stop randoms and yourself from dying, go right if you want absurd boss DPS

[half ginkgo]

HI5STG is the only proper lab condition for me imho

[cosmic crag]

sniffs y’all got any of those.. ubhh.. echo chambers

[winter dock]

what I take away from that clip is that the quickstub can fanfire a pack of crushers and basically erase them

[rose oyster]

Usually you mix in a bit of each tree to make something that doesn't lack in some form. For example people mix Middle with some of the left tree, or the right tree with some of the middle since it can struggle when it doesnt have ammo otherwise

[spark helm]

any recommendations for a talent set up. most of my gunplay is coming from 1a lasgun and more recently weapon swap with the kantrael shotty

[rose oyster]

just use your ogryn peanut brain to think what makes smashing more fun

[winter dock]

OH also I like the new tree

It's sort of finally what I wanted, aside from the awkwards of the keystones raw mechanics

the actual tree setup is... nice, for once

[half ginkgo]

For a Helbore? Surgical and Onslaught on all 3 models. On MK. 2 surgical can feel a bit whack so no respite is an acceptable subsititute there

[winter dock]

I feel like I'm short of points but not like I've been gipped'

[spark helm]

huh.

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/death-glare-frollo-glare-angry-eyebrows-gif-27561728

[winter dock]

I do still wish there was a bit of lateral connection in the "teats"

[spark helm]

gonna check the blessing collection

[winter dock]

but its not really super bad, since the relevantly synergistic nodes are mostly together

[inner drift]

that's an... interesting description

[sharp ember]

[winter dock]

Its fatshark's own

[half ginkgo]

Yeah. I have been messing with idea of dropping shattering from Bolter and use Onslaught during magdump for brittleness. And I am 1 point short for grabbing everything I want

[hexed briar]

what would you guys change on this?

[cosmic crag]

Milking cows in space

[winter dock]

The Blessings are trash

Get Deadly Accurate Headhunter

Or if you're aim is trash, the salvos stuff

though if your aim is bad use an auto instead

:p

[half ginkgo]

Rather perks to flak and unarmored. In an ideal world - get a new roll instead

[winter dock]

the perks are usable

[hexed briar]

in an ideal world yeah

[winter dock]

reload speed isn't the worst and the crit chance ain't 5% but 1% ain't gonna kill ya

[half ginkgo]

Reload speed on Ia?

[winter dock]

just need those blessing to be literally at all useful

I mean yeah its not good

but its not like useless

[spark helm]

reload speed isn't bad but you could do better.

[winter dock]

it helps keep exe stance up in a tight situation

[spark helm]

proxy dps boost

:^)

[winter dock]

more wiggle to get that refreshing shot

[spark helm]

faster reload, faster downtime, more shoot

[half ginkgo]

Opening isn’t bad (better on 12). No respite is also acceptable, so o would rather reroll perks TBF

[winter dock]

I hate no respite

[spark helm]

If you run counterfire setups and are confident in yourself you don't need to have shots lined up when you aren't taking reload talents

[tall sleet]

on a scale of 1-I wouldn't wanna play with you, how bad am I inting by not taking ammo aura? 😔

[cosmic crag]

deadshot on the new quick draw???????

[hexed briar]

stagger can't be that bad with max stopping power no?

[winter dock]

The only enemies the 1AG isn't onetapping is stuff you are definitely 2-tapping regardless of it or stuff that doesn't stagger to a 1ag

[half ginkgo]

I still have a soft spot for Opening + No Respite roll on Vraks3

[spark helm]

?

[winter dock]

Only way to really benefit from it is to use something else to pre-stagger a really tough enemy and then swap to and shoot

[golden axle]

bruh its fine, nice to have but if your build wants to deviate, the team isnt having their back break because of that

[winter dock]

but that's alot of braincells to use that could be put to better use lining up the next shot instead :p

[tall sleet]

thank you for validating me

[winter dock]

There are plenty of quickmatches that just don't have vets

[tall sleet]

I personally have yet to run out of ammo myself, mostly melee anyway

[half ginkgo]

Heh, and I had the guy instaquit the lobby when he saw 3 vets yesterday

[cosmic crag]

rekt

[winter dock]

take whatever you want, I always take aura because i'm a gunwhore that will eat my entire toughness bar and half my health before I am motivated enough to switch to melee

[ivory rock]

Iont blame him lmaooooo

[hollow turtle]

Lol okay. Ran into melee karnak. Push over if you know what you're doing.

[ivory rock]

The difference in just one patch by removing the bloat is insane

[tall sleet]

lmao

[hollow turtle]

He can get staggerd by shout

[ivory rock]

Ye the twins are surprisingly weak, just kinda annoyin

[spark helm]

1as definitely get served better with blessing like deadly accurate and headhunter. For what it's worth as well, what you're using your lasgun is well within it's killing capacity ideally in the first place. I just happen to the stagger one and it works for me but I'm also running stuff like exe stance and yellow ping.

[sharp surge]

I’m excited to get the cover art helmet in the coming year two update

[ivory rock]

Specially if they drop their gas in a stupid ass spot

[tall sleet]

can you actually kill the twins btw?

[half ginkgo]

No

[hollow turtle]

Nah. They run after about 50% ish

[untold mulch]

They are cowards

[half ginkgo]

Pussies run away at 25-30% health

[tall sleet]

what if you oneshot them :^)

[sharp ember]

they teleports away

[winter dock]

Yeah they have other fireteams to harass

[spark helm]

They can be dmgd a little bit before the point where they smoke out.

[hollow turtle]

They kind of remind me of the gutter runners

[winter dock]

if you kill them then they couldn't be random bosses anymore

[cosmic crag]

Hit the threshold, then tap for over the remainder

what occurs

[spark helm]

i wouldn't know but whatever can do that much dmg all at once against them should be able to kill them.

[tall sleet]

surprisingly logical

[half ginkgo]

Can’t. We literally coordinated 3 Bolter mag dumps into a twin under 40% health while all buffed by stimm + shout to knock him. He just stood up and vanished

[hexed briar]

i imagine they will be proper bosses in a later mission

[winter dock]

They are probably unkillable

[spark helm]

if they are killable.

[winter dock]

IE they'd go to 1 hp and then smoke out

[tall sleet]

rip

[ivory rock]

can we talk about the knife punch dealing damage now cause this is funny as shiot

[hollow turtle]

I have one theory

[spark helm]

If they do they do

[tall sleet]

or well I guess not rip?

[spark helm]

but I wouldn't know.

[sharp ember]

does their poison gas empower poxwalkers? i saw some start glowing eyes passing through it

[hollow turtle]

You could do an infinite stagger shout on them

[cosmic crag]

zealots have the intel

[winter dock]

Poxer eyes actually always glow

[spark helm]

Stimms exist, plenty of builds exist meant to do dumb fuck big dmg.

[winter dock]

You just don't see it if it isn't dark or smokey

its the one saving grace on vents and lightsout

[spark helm]

lots of ways to make use of overkill on dps

[sharp ember]

[hexed briar]

i noticed their eyes glowing more after running through the twins brap cloud as well

[hollow turtle]

Lol 4 shout vets with damage stims infinite staggering a karnak twin to death

[winter dock]

please don't call it a brap cloud

[dusk idol]

not the titties 💀

[cosmic crag]

it cowers on the floor

[winter dock]

We don't need to be giving r34 ideas

[hollow turtle]

Lol curb stop that mf

[karmic musk]

Rule 35 takes effect

[spark helm]

I don't know. whatever the threshold is by the numbers for them before they disappear might need to dissapear at once, not from stuff that'll just disrupt.

[half ginkgo]

I bet they are perpetually busy with Hadron

[winter dock]

Hadron is a distraction

The thing that keeps them away from the rest of the game

mostly

[cosmic crag]

she war til I hammer

[spark helm]

vt smut from what I ran into was mostly just surprisingly not fucked up just gay skaven shit

rome indeed.

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/krieg-warhammer-kill-team-40k-gif-24114202

Genuinely how I died last match

[spark helm]

everything else...yeah. :/

[hollow turtle]

In full krieg attire

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, Fire op now

[winter dock]

Didn't they nerf it?

[cosmic crag]

It did get a rework as a dot

[winter dock]

It doesn't baleet toughness but just scales damage

[sharp ember]

I like being able to face tank a flamer now

[half ginkgo]

Had a trapper 360 no scope me into a nade. I legit went wtf as I evaporated from full health and toughness

[cosmic crag]

so it’s beefier

If you are out of toughness and the dot stacks

enjoy

[half ginkgo]

Time to stack Bomber resist /s

[spark helm]

oh yeah

@half ginkgo got surgical 2.

[half ginkgo]

Works for a start

[spark helm]

everything else is just some whatever crap

[winter dock]

Ohk its times to actually play the game instead of just shooting the shit in vet chat

[spark helm]

onslaught was lcky at 4.

lucky

[half ginkgo]

If you just need blessings it’s easy to farm. Helbores have 6 blessings total IIRC, so any shit from brunt’s and roll to orange if you have plas to spare

[inner drift]

I think surge staff may be the king of this lol

[spark helm]

waiting on my brunt vendor to just finish collecting

[half ginkgo]

I personally am farming 10k plas and 2-3m dockets before I start rolling my Boltors for pinning and surgical

[inner drift]

4 blessings total? and somehow hadron bricks them all anyway ffs

[spark helm]

if I'm asking questions here I just check the shop.

I've reduced myself to this.

[winter dock]

"plas to spare"

A foreign concept

A novel idea

[half ginkgo]

Yes

[spark helm]

I got plenty.

[half ginkgo]

Yes indeed

[spark helm]

I don't really build much stuff so eh

[cosmic crag]

throw plasteel

[karmic musk]

ask the 3000+ hour nerds in here to donate some

[half ginkgo]

I have now like 29k diamantine. My plas? Barely 3k

[inner drift]

I saved up to 10k for rolling new marks

[winter dock]

I could only wish the randoms I qm with shared my burning greblin lust for plasteel

[inner drift]

and then melk threw me a bone with pretty good chainsword and revolver

[cosmic crag]

they lust for objectives 😔

[winter dock]

So often I end up behind the group because they refuse to search for plas 😦

[half ginkgo]

It’s auric we don’t loot (q) TM

[cosmic crag]

smdh

[winter dock]

Anyone want to play? The lfg is quiet tonight. Prolly cuz its 3 fuckin am

xd

[half ginkgo]

It’s 12 pm and I am stuck on “work”

[spark helm]

talent spread ideas? I usually just rearrange for my tastes but i try em out and all that shit.

for the hb3

[half ginkgo]

Technically more like waiting till IT gets to actually do their job

[winter dock]

Take the middle and left toughness regen nodes. HB too slow to get use use out of out for blood

[cosmic crag]

anything that affects full squad, grenade timer

my picks

[karmic musk]

Confirmed Kill, Exhilarating Takedown, Grenade Stockpile, Voice of Command, Iron Will, Focus Targets, Weak Spot damage, Shock Trooper, Survivalist

[winter dock]

Take kraks, ammo aura optional- damage aura prolly better. Exe stance super good, take shooters and refresh or ogryn and refresh (your preference). Take precision, prepared, shock

[half ginkgo]

Left shit till WS node, Deadshot, optional Shock Trooper and crap. Mid tree till cap stone I would bet, or right for 10% melee attack speed (more hip)

[winter dock]

Anything else you feel like after that

can hit keystone or not, up to you

[stuck bridge]

shock troop feels unnesecary personally

[hollow turtle]

Ooh good news. My graphics card comes in today. 😄

[winter dock]

IF you have surgical its basically infinite ammp

[half ginkgo]

More of a fancy qol with surgical and 3 for infinite ammo

And personal fu to all ammo goblins

[karmic musk]

Deadshot is the real optional thing here

[half ginkgo]

Yes, just for speeding up crits, but completely optional

[inner drift]

I do not like deadshot surgical even though it's objectively quite good

[karmic musk]

If it only did that, but you need to pick up nodes that give you back stamina too to feel good

Which is why I hardly run it

Even with less point tax

[stuck bridge]

I dislkie deadshot on hellbore, leaves you at 0 too often

[cosmic crag]

lose time switching and thinking about the fact that you’re switching

[half ginkgo]

And personally any build with Deadshot for me is an automatic 1 +3 stam curio

[cosmic crag]

still good

[karmic musk]

Deadshot is best if your range weapon is good at Hipfire

Like the new Laspistol

[winter dock]

Deadshot works REALLY well with the stam regend node on the right

[karmic musk]

Aim to kill something super fast

[winter dock]

+30% stam on dodge

[karmic musk]

Then back to normal

[cosmic crag]

On the new revolver it’s dumb

very strong

[winter dock]

so you can actually have infinite stam with deadshot if you have crack aim

[cosmic crag]

No downtime on the switch to hip fire

[winter dock]

neither, both is good

[karmic musk]

I have heard Savage Sweep on this is not great compared to Wrath

[half ginkgo]

Deadshot is also okay with mid keystone and up to 40% toughness and stam for marked kill

[winter dock]

save your reroll slots for the tier 4 versions of your blessings

[half ginkgo]

Even if you spam ping it’s normally 2-3 stacks = 16-24% stam

[karmic musk]

Your lights don't hit more than 2 bruisers according to someone so you don't activate SS

[cosmic crag]

Full reload instead of single shot

[half ginkgo]

So the new csword is Garbo?

[cosmic crag]

The new revolver* has potential to probably do rager and mauler hordes and maybe ogryns

[inner drift]

i actually quite like the new csword

[hollow turtle]

Does cleave matter on a power sword? I forgot

[karmic musk]

Nope

[inner drift]

it's very simple, lights for horde and heavy for elites

[karmic musk]

The heavy is kinda bad tho

Low dmg without special

and the special heavy takes extra long

[spark helm]

where i ended up

[karmic musk]

and if you cancel it, you lose so much stamina

[inner drift]

the strikedown light 1 isn't great but it's comfier than old csword patterns

[spark helm]

I'm just gonna not have to get hit lol

[wet moon]

what should i put on this for a melee build?

[spark helm]

honestly i kinda wanna just boule down and marksman focus but tag is tag for me. i just like exe stance too much. will see how it goes.

[karmic musk]

Real gun enthusiast

[winter dock]

Handcannon still bis

[spark helm]

I like clicking on heads. /shrug

[winter dock]

its just so fundamentally good

[spark helm]

Iz fun

just taking time getting used to hellbores.

[inner drift]

what's optimal for new revolver? Hand cannon/crucian roulette?

[spark helm]

never quite got it originally and I was obsessed with stealth hellbore.

[inner drift]

I can't see surgical being optimal here

[winter dock]

Definitely not surgical XD

[wet moon]

or point blank if you wanna do a melee build

[winter dock]

Handcannon, then either crucian or PB

[wet moon]

what perk should i replace weak spot dmg with

[pulsar shore]

Which breakpoints I need here?

[inner drift]

good, no need to change my revolver then

[winter dock]

bigger weakspot damage, or crit chance

[winter dock]

10 % ranged crit damage (or weakspot damage, which is more consistent and typically larger)

[inner drift]

aren't crit and weakspot damage generally bad perks due to how they're calculated?

[winter dock]

They fixed that

[inner drift]

well shit, I've been replacing that one some of my rolls

good to know

[plain gust]

hey fellow vets, does anyone else have the problem that plasma shots come out invisible? They still seem to hit enemys but there is no plasma. Having the problem since this patch

[winter dock]

run any mods?

[plain gust]

scoreboard and true level

[winter dock]

hm, prolly just a bug

[sick marsh]

what does the shredder stat on the assault chainsword do?

[gusty bison]

Rule of thumb with helbore.

Never stop dodging.