veteran-class

[safe vector]

Now its joe-ver, since I can one tap muties with the bayonet.

[wicked cove]

I find Lucius MK3 better than MK2 only with Onslaught

[zealous wyvern]

all i REALLY want for mk3 bayonet is the ability to hold it infinitely

[safe vector]

Me too

[wicked cove]

But MK2 bayonet is actually useful

[safe vector]

But in all honesty, MK3 bayonet attacks are janky as fuck and I'd truthfully just want them to disregard it for the other bayonet attack animations.

Just my opinion. I'm sure its got good use somewhere

[wise harness]

MK1 vs MK2 hellbore opinion?

[safe vector]

Mk2 for shooters, MK1 for MK3 lite.

[zinc osprey]

I think it has high stagger

[bitter turtle]

what's the advantage mk3 shovel has over mk7

feels like mk7s horizontal heavies are better to me but idk

[safe vector]

It has INSANE stagger, but it's hard to chain for me due to the wack animations

[viral nacelle]

Spamming aoe toughness gain, damage and stagger is how you keep from needing runs saved

[midnight mortar]

Mk2 is the perfect anti-shooter/gunner gun. Mk3 is less quick on the draw, has input buffering problems last I checked, and is more meant for anti-carapace.

[wise harness]

meant mk1 not 3

[midnight mortar]

The mk3's bayonet is very clunky and not a good melee substitute.

[wise harness]

3 too clunky

[zinc osprey]

Yeah, same. Try it on mutants and maulers

[midnight mortar]

Mk1 is a weird middle child.

[wise harness]

seems hits 1hit breakpoint on everithing tho except crushers/maulers

mk2 i was missing some when trying

[midnight mortar]

Also as an aside, thank you Fatshark for making it impossible for me to sort the Armory store via the base ratings of weapon's modifiers now.

[wicked cove]

Yeah Lucius MK2 is insanely good for killing shooters fast, but MK3 can destroy everything

[midnight mortar]

The aggregate rating is fucking worthless. I'd rather have a sorting system that gave me some way to categorically go down/up by a metric I care about.

[safe vector]

I've been able to clear hordes and one tap specials on a whim using the other bayonets. But the Mk3 is the chainaxe of bayonets. Gets stuck and can jank.

[bitter turtle]

the mk3 bayonet is better at dragging

if you like doing that

[slow spade]

I hear that fire instantly demolishing you is a bug

[bitter turtle]

feels like its not very worth if you dont make use of that

though

[slow spade]

Is that true?

[bitter turtle]

compared to mk1/2

[safe vector]

Honestly, MK3 is a weapon you just dont wanna be in melee with due to its sluggishness. Bayonet isnt worth it.

Whereas the others are more faster at charging on a whim

so they benefit from faster bayonets

[wicked cove]

MK2 bayonet can easy kill ragers

[safe vector]

^^^^^^^^^

[wicked cove]

MK3 bayonet is a trap

[acoustic cape]

Hi, is the exhilarating takedown talent bug fixed ?

[slow spade]

Yes

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[acoustic cape]

Ty

[slow spade]

Be aware that Born Leader is decent now

So Born Leader + ET is a reasonable combo

[delicate moat]

no longer Dead Leader

[safe vector]

I honestly cant wait to try out the new chainaxe. I tested a grey version in the psycanium and jesus christ, it feels SOOOO good.

[trim steppe]

I tested bomber res curios

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[slow spade]

The Emperor protects 💪💪💪

[midnight mortar]

Been fixed as of the patch before this one.

[acoustic cape]

Which talent is that ?

[slow spade]

So it effectively doesn't matter lol

[mystic belfry]

Based

[mystic belfry]

I mean, it kinda matters

[slow spade]

"Allies in coherency gain 15% of your toughness replenished

[slow spade]

Technically but not effectively

[acoustic cape]

Thanks

[serene sage]

They fixed it the patch people can stop taking it

[gloomy kestrel]

with the rager hp nerf, is manaic not basically automatic perk on weapons now?

[serene sage]

Perfect timing

[slow spade]

Remember that's suppose to be approximately a 48% damage resist and it didn't even buy an additional second

[midnight mortar]

Don't suppose anyone knows of any Armoury sorting mods that let you sort by base rating of modifiers instead of this garbage overall rating system Fatshark changed the "Rating high to low" filter to?

[bitter turtle]

i think born leader just needs a buff lol

even fixed its barely anything

[mystic belfry]

I like it

[trim steppe]

I tested with 38.6% res (I used 15% curios not 20%)

[bitter turtle]

like

assume you take CK AND ET

[slow spade]

Ah ok

[mystic belfry]

I generate stupid amounts of toughness on a support build

[bitter turtle]

15% of 25% is literally 3%~ toughness for allies

literally nothing

[potent lichen]

Can't remember the name but I use one, so it's definitely there

[slow spade]

The thing is you're constantly gaining toughness

[mystic belfry]

Don’t forget shout and tag aura toughness double dips

[urban steppe]

[slow spade]

Vet gains fucktons of toughness

[trim steppe]

4 Born Leader vets constantly filling each other with their toughness

[slow spade]

Idk why people sleep on Born Leader when Toughness regen is one of the things Vets has plenty of

[serene sage]

To this day I'm still struggling to imagine how much is a fuckton

[bitter turtle]

because 15% is barely anything

[nimble sentinel]

did it again

fellas recon is back

[bitter turtle]

even if you take keystone at max stacks

[mystic belfry]

That’s just false

[bitter turtle]

65% toughness means you get a whopping 8%~ more toughness

to your teammates

[serene sage]

Remember 10% Team Replenishment exists

[bitter turtle]

very wow

[slow spade]

We need the standardized system of measurement UwU

[slow spade]

Casually downplaying teamwide buffs

[serene sage]

Which somehow only works for Coherency bonus kek

[trim steppe]

whats the math on how that stats? additive or multi?

[slow spade]

Classic Vet moment

[bitter turtle]

how does that interact with that actually, not sure

im assuming it doesnt push it to 25% lol

10% of the 15% would be actually nothing so

[serene sage]

It onl works for Coherency regen, but I think people knew this

[bitter turtle]

ah okay

and idk

im mathing it now

[serene sage]

I tested it, you don't get more toughness from CK with it

[slow spade]

"Its only 8% toughness for your entire team how can that be good"

[serene sage]

Only from Coherency

[bitter turtle]

if you think 3% toughness to your teammates when you take CK + ET together is worth

i just dont agree

[serene sage]

10 whole percent

[mystic belfry]

Don’t forget you can mix the glory blessing with the elite toughness on kill talent

[elder vessel]

Its more toughness dawg

[exotic jay]

by the emperor the mark X pistol is nutty, you can 3 tap Maulers in the head on Heresy difficulty

[slow spade]

You're also ignore that the other talents competing with Born Leader suck ass

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR

[serene sage]

Well you see, that's 9% TOTAL, it's actually 3 times as good

[terse idol]

10% is alot better, than 3%

[bitter turtle]

its also called opportunity cost

[slow spade]

So Born Leader is better by default

[meager trench]

If you count toughness damage reduction, your max toughness and other factors then 15 percent can be a lot

[weary acorn]

looking to try a new melee weapon for a support build, any suggestions?

[bitter turtle]

i literally mathed it out

[mystic belfry]

Shovel

[slow spade]

I use psword

[bitter turtle]

even under like completely ideal circumstances (CK + ET + keystone at max stacks) its not even 10% restored to temmates

lol

[serene sage]

Sir this is Vet chat, we bitch and moan and we don't do math

[slow spade]

What better support than to kill?

[bitter turtle]

also on the topic of shovel

mk7 feels better than mk3 to me

with the horizontal heavies

[wicked cove]

I use psword+kantrael MG XII Lasgun

[bitter turtle]

what's the general opinion

[slow spade]

I use psword + Plasma

[weary acorn]

the new ones then?

[slow spade]

Oh I didn't even realize it had horizontal heavies on the new one

[bitter turtle]

you still get vertical bonks so I wasn't sure what the mk3 offers

[languid rose]

I'm tempted on the new Chainsword, but I'm not sold on its shove attack

[midnight mortar]

Mk7 is generalized/versatile. The mk3 is stronger single target. But neither can achieve one shot headshots to crushers unfortunately.

[bitter turtle]

its moveset feels worse for horde on non-bonk mode

ah

i see

[slow spade]

Wait I think I misread that

[sand oracle]

Mmmmm yummy drugs

[trim steppe]

Check out this math. CK gives 35%, ET gives 15%, Gloryhunter gives 25%, and Focus Target gives 25%. That's 100% toughness regen on any tagged elite kill. So 100% to you and 15% to your team on EVERY elite kill, with Born Leader now

[midnight mortar]

Does he know?

[elder vessel]

I think I'm liking this new knife way more than the old one

[midnight mortar]

He doesn't know...

[bitter turtle]

saying CK gives 35% is extremely disingenuous when you have to wait 10 seconds for that lol

[mystic belfry]

Sorry, 15% is nothing apparently

[bitter turtle]

and yes

[sand oracle]

Who is he, and what doesn't know?

[bitter turtle]

under all those circumstanfces

across 10 seconds

with focus stacks built

[midnight mortar]

^

[bitter turtle]

im gonna say i expect a bit more than 15% toughness

[trim steppe]

Fine, 13.5% to your team immediately and 1.5% over time, every elite kill

[elder vessel]

There are multiple people here, who is he

[slow spade]

15% team-wide

[terse idol]

well and it maxes out on like

2 stacks iirc

So you can't always share all the toughness over time when you kill multiple elites

[bitter turtle]

again, this is all under ideal circumstances in favor of the born leader too

[karmic musk]

your other choices are 10% dmg on ult for 5 sec and suppression

just take born leader zz

[meager trench]

Remember you have to also count max toughness and toughness reduction, that 15 percent can easily be worth over 60 to 70 damage reduced

[bitter turtle]

b-but

[mystic belfry]

10% aoe heal by killing one elite is great

[slow spade]

Tbh the main reason why Born Leader is good is because the other talents suck ass

[bitter turtle]

its 10% dmg to your entire team!!11

that's like 40% dmg!!!!

[serene sage]

You should take Charismatic too so everyone, well, most everyone can benefit.

[slow spade]

For 5 sec

[half ginkgo]

mid keystone toughness regen is the only toughness regen i run now on vet. might swap reload to ET but feeling OK now

[bitter turtle]

this is literally the logic in favor of born leader

being used to defend it right now lmao

[slow spade]

But Born Leader is constant instead of on cooldown...

[sand oracle]

Born Leader good, For the Emperor! also good. End of discussion.

[mystic belfry]

Damage is completely different because only breakpoints matter

[slow spade]

Casually ignores its only for 5 seconds too

[sand oracle]

It's asanine to even argue against either when different people play differently and like and do well with different things

[bitter turtle]

that only applies to semi auto type weapons

[vital shell]

any tips for perks ?

[slow spade]

I wish I could just ignore things like that

[nimble sentinel]

Alright fellas...

[charred scarab]

since when? p sure i've had hella CK stacks going before

[nimble sentinel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac78632-bb83-4cc5-ace5-9d3b9713a5c9/lord-of-the-hive-return-of-the-recon?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[trim steppe]

You act like you only kill 1 elite every 10 seconds, sometimes I kill like 5 shotgunners in 1 shot, thats like 30% toughness to the whole team instantly

[nimble sentinel]

I did it

[karmic musk]

For the Emperor is trash lmao

In what way is this good

[bitter turtle]

then you can't talk about focus stacks mattering

[serene sage]

No you didn't

[terse idol]

IT can only spread to so many people

[bitter turtle]

because it takes time to build those

[mystic belfry]

Manic damage and brutal momentum for that power sword

[terse idol]

Iirc

Lemme check

[river escarp]

Anybody tried the Laz Pistol ?

[meager trench]

Ammo conservation as well

[slow spade]

They're just ignoring things now lol

[zinc osprey]

maybe flak?

Seems like a perfect sword

[sand oracle]

You did a maelstrom / auric with it?

[rain steppe]

It's almost like its worthless to argue about talents without winrate data backing it up

[bitter turtle]

incidentally, the largest amount of gain you're getting is from the focus stacks

[charred scarab]

oh, is it a Born Leader thing and not CK

[terse idol]

not keeping power cycler?

[slow spade]

To be fair, full-autos don't really have ammo issues except for recon

[terse idol]

oh

Brutal momentum

My b

[nimble sentinel]

I melt crushers in under a second with bullets to spare

[bitter turtle]

im not ignoring it, but going by that exact same reason, as I said, focus stacks also take time to build

[mystic belfry]

… obviously keep power cycler

[terse idol]

[nimble sentinel]

granted not much under a second

but still

[trim steppe]

You dont need focus stacks when you get 5 kills, thats like 250% toughness just from CK (base) and Glory, thats 37.5% to the team

[bitter turtle]

plus, in a high-density situation, you have tac awareness to let you spam your ability

[terse idol]

Glory hunter works like that?

[nimble sentinel]

I have a working, viable, and fun recon build post-patch 13

[serene sage]

Except your team don't get the benefit if they are at full toughness as well, which is often

[trim steppe]

Im just saying, youre acting like the math is 1% toughness back, its significant even if its not the most incredible thing to ever happen

[nimble sentinel]

it can probably use some further optimization, if anyone else wants to cook with it please post results and @ me

[vital shell]

okey thanks for tips i will change for brutal momentum

[meager trench]

I'll take your word, mostly pug so most of the time deal with a lot of ammo hogs that grab everything.

[serene sage]

I still think Born Leader is trash

[mystic belfry]

Considering it’s one talent point for a decent bit of toughness on top of already good talents

It’s good

[bitter turtle]

im not saying it does literally nothing in the first place, only that it could use a buff

all of your calcs involve glory too

if its only good for literally 1 gun

[sand oracle]

I feel like a burden if I /ever/ take ammo so I just kinda play melee vet with my own regen

[bitter turtle]

i think that's a problem personally

but w/e

lol

[drowsy kayak]

I might cook with this later cus i've had a VId that's been gathering dust in my inventory but is basically 1 blessing off

[bitter turtle]

cause nobody taking gloryhunter on revolver

[serene sage]

The uptime to very dependent on the team toughness as well, it's not like what you regen gets converted to Overshield

[bitter turtle]

so dont bring that shit up

[drowsy kayak]

and I also want to try VoC more

[brazen bay]

quick question doing some rebuilding of my revolver with the new tree and was wondering if inspiring present is still worth picking up still or should I just skip it and go with iron will

[slow spade]

Can always take Survivalist + Always Prepared to really solve the ammo issue 💪💪💪

[nimble sentinel]

please continue the science, I gotta sleep for work tomorrow

[sand oracle]

Speak for yourself, gloryhunter on revolver is good if you already have a weapon to kill crushers.

[nimble sentinel]

get results while I get bread

[sand oracle]

Which I do in powersword

[drowsy kayak]

o7 As the emperor wills I will check things out

[bitter turtle]

yes and i took speedloader on revolver but Im not gonna pretend its optimal

[serene sage]

Lol are we really pretending that Glory Hunter is anything but a niche talent?

[midnight mortar]

If it stacked 10 times, yes.

[trim steppe]

"Here's 10 ways in which this is useful"
"Yes but all 10 never happen at once so it is useless"

[meager trench]

Mostly shifted to the hellbore weapons, found I prefer them and the nearly infinite ammo they seem to have

[bitter turtle]

you are being facetious as fuck here

[midnight mortar]

That's a bit of a strawman ain't it?

[serene sage]

Like you can take it but let's not say everyone is signing up for Glory Hunter kek

[placid portal]

Oh god I know that they are gonna nerf the New Shovel mks

[sand oracle]

That's entirely fair but optimal play isn't always fun - and you don't need to be optimal in a game this easy. Auric Maelstrom is like.... What the lvl 3 mode was in VT2.

[midnight mortar]

pls no...

[sand oracle]

And I blame that entirely on the lack of friendly fire

[bitter turtle]

im not saying you have to play mlg optimal all the time

all i literally said was

born leader could still use an actual buff

[sand oracle]

Yea, probably.

[placid portal]

It is for the balance

[midnight mortar]

No!! You're stopping him from having fun.

[bitter turtle]

if you have to be playing exactly plasma with mid keystone at max stacks for it to do stuff

[delicate moat]

how do u actually use the new knife? idk old knife feels better still?

[finite imp]

The greater good

[sand oracle]

But Born Leader is still a good choice, and I take it when I'm playing with classes that just take a lot of damage.

[trim steppe]

Probably, but what you said was that born leader does nothing, which is untrue

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-it-hot-fuzz-gif-12447946

[sand oracle]

Very nice for those weird ass martyrdom zealots

[golden axle]

alright lads, which new shovel we think is it?

[bitter turtle]

scroll back up

[midnight mortar]

As far as I've seen, they're not terribly impressive?

[bitter turtle]

my initial statement was

could still use a buff based on my calc of CK + ET

[graceful glen]

anyone else getting this?

[wicked cove]

I like the old knife, the new one seems better for zealot maybe?

[bitter turtle]

is doing very little

[finite imp]

New one is good too

[placid portal]

It's insane how it can kill specials and non mauler crusher elites very quickly

[finite imp]

Heavy slashes are great

[meager trench]

True, sometimes even the most optimal set up does not work for certain people. Behaviors in combat can alter many players needs form builds and gear

[slow spade]

Yes Born Leader needs go to from 15% -> 150% I agree

[bitter turtle]

yes balans

[finite imp]

The greater hood

[placid portal]

[finite imp]

Good

[bitter turtle]

also bayonet on recon with limbsplitter re-bugged

obese feesh pls

[wicked cove]

Well, you can still stab after punching with the new one

[serene sage]

Convert extra to overshield that decays semi quickly

Bam, fixed

[slow spade]

I'd nut

[finite imp]

Sometimes the new knife bugs and you can punch as fast as you can click

[placid portal]

^

[sand oracle]

I just looked into it - what the HELL is their deal making the punch light do more damage than a heavy? lol

[burnt onyx]

Too bad we can't take Reciprocity over Duck and Dive on an Onslaught build anymore. <Sad Face>

[wicked cove]

True

[midnight mortar]

Maybe it's because I'm not familiar with the blessings/don't have them tricked out yet, but are they achieving like 2 hit kills? 2 second TTKs?

Specials are already squishy as hell generally.

[serene sage]

Please kindly refrain from doing that.

[placid portal]

Yea but you can 1 tap Muties

[midnight mortar]

And maulers/crushers are the big threats people want a weapon to deal with.

[tulip zenith]

I feel like new knife works great with that one Veteran perk that lets you have +1 bleeding on all melee hit + mercy killer, no? Lots of damage to horde

[elder vessel]

Humanity's oldest most reliable weapon

These hands

[solar bone]

huh is this gud?

[placid portal]

Muties have at least 4k

[slow spade]

Slaanesh flows through me

[coarse sage]

which one of these would do more damage?

[delicate moat]

im still a bit confused by the new knife's moveset

[placid portal]

right

more crit bonus

[bitter turtle]

from what i could tell

[coarse sage]

2% though?

[bitter turtle]

only your first heavy is strikedown

[placid portal]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

the next two are horizontals meant for hordes

[elder vessel]

hit

Many enemy

[bitter turtle]

so that's their

"better for hordes" thing

[tulip zenith]

The great thing is that the slashes are almost entirely horizontal, so mercy killer can (at least in theory) trigger mercy killer on many enemies in a single hit

[bitter turtle]

also the special cant be cancelled from punch->heavy into another punch->heavy for me

[tulip zenith]

If Im understanding this correctly

[bitter turtle]

you have to do a light inbetween

[delicate moat]

wasnt it like 2 wide + third is strikedown or something

[meager trench]

I think this patch they really focused on making weapons more viable for hords

[sand oracle]

New knife is for hordes.

And it's good at it, too.

[crimson crown]

vet has alot of good talents. finding it hard to pick lol

[tulip zenith]

New knife is kinda better if u run that melee hybrid vet with Revolver since revolver already takes care of armor

[slow spade]

vet is BAD and needs a BUFF come on Fatshark >:(

[bitter turtle]

o you're right nvm

yeah its 2 wide into the strikedown

[delicate moat]

which is why i am confusion

[trim steppe]

You said this, then I said how you can give your team 15% or even 35% toughness on 1 shot in various circumstances, which is not in fact barely anything. It could probably use a buff but its not barely anything, it is in fact noticable (based on the math alone). Anyway I dont want to argue any further cuz I think we agree at the core anyway, a buff is probably good but its FS so probably a nerf instead

[alpine bear]

Vet needs a hellgun

Ez

[crimson crown]

this is what i have so far. prob a garbage build xD

[bitter turtle]

i stand by barely anything lol

[slow spade]

Hellguns are a myth just like Recons being good

[bitter turtle]

3% per elite for most weapons using it is what i call barely anything

[native citrus]

Looks like I need to go build a MK3 shovel lol

[crimson crown]

any advice?

[bitter turtle]

i guess you can still go punch->strikedown for the fast strikedown

it does feel

[slow spade]

I wonder if you can do something stupid and take +30% toughness regen for full meme

[bitter turtle]

clunkier though

[serene sage]

Probably skip the 10% team toughness regen for the Redirect Fire keystone upgrade and you have yourself a solid build!

[alpine bear]

: (

[crimson crown]

thanks :D

[delicate moat]

yeah, i still strongly prefer the good old mk3 knife

[solar bone]

What blessings?

[serene sage]

Also, take Confirmed Kills over Tactical Reload. Trust me, you need it.

[wicked cove]

All tag keystones are good

[elder vessel]

What is the sound design on this new chain axe, the lights sounds like im smacking someone with a bat. Are the teeth even running dawg

[delicate moat]

anyone else notice they fixed silent crushers/maulers/ragers?

[meager trench]

works well for my skimisher set up.....feels like your playing a slip and slide pyschopath though as you fly all over the place. But switching weapons often and counting buffs is a lot of work

[teal abyss]

Yeah that sucks but the sound when you’re charging an overhead heavy is fuckin perfect lol makes me feel like Leatherface

[delicate moat]

crushers actually make sound now

[slow spade]

oh? its usable? brb dming Fatshark for a -50% damage nerf

[sage furnace]

ya'll see that fanning the hammer revolver killing a beast of nurgle in like 2 seconds?

[slow spade]

I want Crushers to be Mutant levels of loud

[elder vessel]

also this push attack makes no sense, why are you stabbing with an Axe

[slow spade]

my ears can still faintly hear the trapper behind me

[noble zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1181634820149887178/HIGH_NOON_MF.mp4?ex=6581c62e&is=656f512e&hm=975e11d93d0ab54a1b6318905d2826519abe98d3a3f8530051e6a3b43050e3ec&

Here it is again

[serene sage]

I want the game to blow my eardrum out

[delicate moat]

they're pretty loud for me this patch at least

[elder vessel]

Dawg WHAT

[sage furnace]

id only seen the beast

not all the bosses

thats sick

what is the build i must know

[bitter turtle]

nooo only voc can be good :^)

[sand oracle]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it is. If you haven't noticed, the new chain axe doesn't stop to cut into people when you light while the other does.

[slow spade]

plague ogryn op

[noble zinc]

Trickshooter and crucian afk. Idk perks tho

[slow spade]

pls nerd

[sand oracle]

It's probably for people that like chain axe, but hate the lights.

[teal abyss]

You do the exact same thing with the eviscerator you have a weapon that has diamond sharp rotating teeth on it why would you shove with the flat side lmao

[alpine bear]

I can go find it

The dude posted it

[noble zinc]

Pls do

I want to try the meme

[elder vessel]

Well the evis makes a bit more sense cuz it has Teeth sticking out the front

[slow spade]

to be polite >:(

[delicate moat]

what are u supposed to even do against the twin boss? just dps? shoot? melee?

[native citrus]

If I had v4 Decimator that would be the focus blessing but I don't (Le Sad)

[meager trench]

XD it probally can be out performed by the shot gun with the slug and fill the same role plus save ammo

[slow spade]

has a gun -> "what do we do against the heretic sah"

[noble zinc]

Melee works well against both of em. Their AI bricks when you get close.

[slow spade]

bruh

[sage furnace]

ping me when u do, cheers!

[crimson crown]

thanks again for the advice ^_^

[vital shell]

okey i just found this

[elder vessel]

Kill em

[delicate moat]

cuz the assassination boss shield has ranged resistance no

[vital shell]

i slap here power cycler 4 and change block efficenciy right ?

[serene sage]

Are they cute?

[slow spade]

I'm still shooting them

[delicate moat]

yes, would headpat

[serene sage]

Ask for their numbers fool

[slow spade]

they never confirmed if the twins are female or not

[serene sage]

Does it matter

[slow spade]

true

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cant-see-cant-read-meme-ken-jeong-gif-16673476

[delicate moat]

got any more of 'em pixels

[cerulean void]

:3

[finite imp]

Bricked

[cerulean void]

alls it needs is my straight silver skin

[junior needle]

Weakspot hit blessing
Only non weakspot hit blessing
They should really just make lacerate all hits

[slow spade]

me after seeing 2 more human enemies in Darktide UwU

[fading grove]

I'm a huge chain axe and chain Sword guy, but haven't used the new ones yet. What are the cliffs notes on pros/cons

[sage furnace]

much appreciated

[serene sage]

It used to be Nurgle R34

[slow spade]

shhhhh

[limber egret]

hey had they increase the damage of fire from scab bombers and flamers?

[finite imp]

That can't be the build from the video

[bitter turtle]

there's poxburster r34

now you can't un-know this

[bitter turtle]

yes

they dont instant 0 your toughness

but they do much more damage now

[alpine bear]

It's what the dude posted

[delicate moat]

instant ur health now

[serene sage]

They just 0 your health instead

[limber egret]

Oof no wonder why i gotten down so fast now

[slow spade]

"Slight" they said

[solar bone]

I native rolled this one off a green in the shop https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1HE9t9kldP1PGR/d1337P7FSVgv?invite=cr-MSxERXYsMzM3MzI4LA Havent mesded with reblessing or perking it yet but

[finite imp]

He's using executioner stance...which isn't equipped in that tree

[solar bone]

seems good

[limber egret]

i saw people saying flamethrowers been buffed too much

i was hoping it was the flamer zealot uses

[delicate moat]

[serene sage]

a slight slap to the face

[bitter turtle]

what are people doing for shovel blessings anyway

i saw limbsplitter

[minor brook]

what are the best blessings on new revolver?

[tulip zenith]

tbh I think new knife is bad
Even if its at full potential (horde clearing) its still risky af on damnation cuz Veteran just shouldnt be on the front line, period. Also it's a knife so the range on that thing is abysmal, you're at so much more risk for using it.

[delicate moat]

i want to steal the toxflamer's flamethrower

[noble zinc]

Now I just need to grind for a good trickshooter revolver lol

[serene sage]

Monkey paw moment

[bitter turtle]

while i agree that the new knife is clunky and im not fond of it

[unborn ridge]

@crude wind is the build good for bosses or is it required another one?

[noble zinc]

I assume the revolver had dmg agains unyielding and crit damage?

[finite imp]

#veteran-class message

[bitter turtle]

saying vet shouldn't be on the frontline is odd

[slow spade]

Fatshark pls

[alpine bear]

Oh wait

[finite imp]

This is the actual build for that video

[bitter turtle]

considering melee vet was the best way to play the class last patch lul

[alpine bear]

That's the melee

[limber egret]

also man i really hop some new guns come soon i really want the hellgun for veteran

[delicate moat]

vet has VoC and can frontline like a chad

[limber egret]

and the melta gun finally

[alpine bear]

It's this one

[finite imp]

It's a meme build

Yeah

[native citrus]

I'll run this and see whats what lol

[finite imp]

It's just every singular possible damage buff

[serene sage]

"a bit"

[alpine bear]

The revolver for this had Crussian and Trickshot

[tulip zenith]

old knife is good since its made for handling individual enemies which is what you should be doing mostly with vet melee anyways. Nobody is trusting you with a mixed horde in melee

[finite imp]

Absolute glass cannon

[serene sage]

Fatshark and their understatements

[solar bone]

Uncanny probably takes it places tbh

[bitter turtle]

idk 25% aspd powersword is pretty gud for horde

mixed or otherwise

[finite imp]

They can suck my ass

[bitter turtle]

but yeah new knife is meh

[noble zinc]

And I assume crit dmg and unyielding as perks

[bitter turtle]

idk

[tulip zenith]

yeah but mixed in like 2 rager and you're dead

[bitter turtle]

psword can stagger rager

[alpine bear]

Possibly

[limber egret]

i just hope next update is actually new guns i just really want the hellgun and metla gun finally

[alpine bear]

Doubt he got that much of a god roll tho

[junior needle]

The line didn't get any buffs, they're still much weaker than other guns baseline. The tree is better at compensating for the inherent weakness with a particular setup, but because it's multiplying existing value the same tree would give much more on guns that are already doing good.

You could "make it work" before but that's just using the tree/personal effort to bring it up to "not as far below" other guns. Nothing has changed in that regard.

[tulip zenith]

Vet just cant do that well in melee idk maybe Im doing it wrong

[finite imp]

Vet is one of the best melees

[serene sage]

Yes.

[finite imp]

I won't accept a different reality

[tulip zenith]

Compared to who????

[golden axle]

hmmm what to do with this? I assume surgical is lesser value due to the fanning or nah?

[serene sage]

Top 4 minimum imo.

[native citrus]

Kind of what I was thinkin but we shall see, running it now

[noble zinc]

You can probably dememeify the build a little and still have a really good build.

[tulip zenith]

I feel like some people just havent played other classes lmao

[alpine bear]

All I need is vet

[quaint valve]

Does surgical even work with the fanning?

[alpine bear]

Guardsman larp

[noble zinc]

Surgical is trash on that revolver

[golden axle]

yes it does but ofc just resets after popping a shot off

[noble zinc]

You want to fan

[vivid bolt]

Hit. Dodge. Hit. Dodge. Repeat.

[finite imp]

Y'all are smoking hot crack if you think vet can't melee git fuckin good

[serene sage]

Jokes aside, melee vet is legit. You have a lot more damage than Zealot even, just squishier

[finite imp]

Hottest crack imaginable

[golden axle]

whats the blessings on it then? Crucian finally? lol

[bitter turtle]

i think it just punishes melee mistakes more is all

[brazen bay]

Having a hard deciding what to use my last 2 points on, what do you guys think? Trying to move around my revolver build with the new tree

[bitter turtle]

esp without voc

[frozen meadow]

what helmets voice changes for vet?

[bitter turtle]

i suppose you can define that as "worse"

[solar bone]

I would not hope for specifics. You are not likely to get them. Homebrew stuff seems to be the table if Assail is any indication of what FS is allowed to do. I would expect new weapons but they are like going to take it slow.

[noble zinc]

Trick shooter, crucian or point blank.

[bitter turtle]

but its not untrue that last patch melee vet was basically the "optimal" way to play it

[alpine bear]

The ones with masks

[golden axle]

dont think they got one yet?

[serene sage]

Focus Fire + Redirect Fire?

[golden axle]

oh so trickshooter is pretty aight?

[tulip zenith]

In dam and auric theres git gud, and then theres a billions of bodies in front of you, you literally cant tell if theres 5 ragers mixed in

[slow spade]

yeah you can, by its dead corpse from shooting it UwU

[noble zinc]

It's amazing considering you can easily unload with little risk

[frozen meadow]

its because new free ones doesnt have one

and it is a mask

[tulip zenith]

takes like half a second for you to be chopped into sushi

[bitter turtle]

also about recon

[solar bone]

@limber egret Something like a helgun or a metla is doable but power creep and controlling it as well as homogenization is something FS has to manage.

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/3e85c901107c429e0296f7525d194f03.jpg

its still trash

[serene sage]

It's fine, you can block push dash back swap gun and shoot them?
Some weapons can also stagger so you keep meleeing

[bitter turtle]

like 300 more dps of trash

[finite imp]

Correct.

[bitter turtle]

but still trash

[finite imp]

Melee vet is nutty

[tulip zenith]

Then its not rlly melee as Ive said

[solar bone]

shovelin

[finite imp]

Maybe IM THE ONE SMOKING CRACK

MAYBE ITS ME

[candid tundra]

should I pick this up or is it not worth it

[bitter turtle]

the gun is part of the melee experience in vet

[noble zinc]

Vet melee build with a chainsword is bliss.

[bitter turtle]

since the keystone means the revolver effectively has a much, much larger clip

[finite imp]

Maybe YOU should smoke MORE crack and then melee

[serene sage]

I mentioned some weapons can also stagger so you can keep meleeing lol

[sudden dome]

devil claw, anytime a melee non horde comes up just hold down parry and you win. If you grab mk1 it also clears hordes with heavies like crazy.

[bitter turtle]

you quickswap to knock something out and go back to swinging with your melee

with the boosted stats

[serene sage]

Also melee doesn't mean you never swap, that's stupid

[limber egret]

well the melta gun alread has a weapon protrait

[serene sage]

God gives you a gun so shoot it sometimes

[finite imp]

Parry can block everything except fucking bullets and fire

[tulip zenith]

I think Im just too used to Zealot being able to spam special>melee>special and decimate mixed hordes lol

[limber egret]

and really some new guns would be really nice

[tulip zenith]

yeah but
stamina break

[bitter turtle]

idk i use revolver on zealot too

[serene sage]

Have you tried PS6?

[finite imp]

WHAT ARE YOU USING STAMINA ON?

[junior needle]

True, true

[tulip zenith]

Playstation 6? Nah I play on PC

[finite imp]

BLOCKING???

[edgy mauve]

uh just double checking, plasma guns were able to go through crushers before right?

[serene sage]

Power Sword VI

[finite imp]

STOP BLOCKING

[solar bone]

buts no models and tbh most of the weapons we just got have been in the files for nearly a year, we are likely closer to getting bolt pistol than anything if we go off the datamine

[sudden dome]

Ive been taking the new bosses with it its crazy, you can also solo plauge ogryn easy all its attacks are so bad, only real issue is the spitting one since it basically never melees

chaos spawn is jsut watch its right arm and dodge and you win

[solar bone]

or a 2handed power sword

[serene sage]

No need to block if enemies are all dead taps head

[solar bone]

or a 2handed club for ogyrn

[tulip zenith]

blocking ur ass

[atomic zephyr]

hadron bricked my first good kant laspistol

:(

[finite imp]

TIME SPENT BLOCKING IS TIME SPENT BURNING STAMINA JUST DODGE

JEEEZ

[flat pebble]

houston we have dakka

[minor brook]

what are the best blessings on the new revolver?

[flat pebble]

graia braced feels good now

[sudden dome]

2 of the ragers attacks need to be blocked because they bypass parry

[bitter turtle]

dodging is for people who build dex

[sudden dome]

so it has its use

[minor brook]

hand cannon seems pretty good

[finite imp]

The only thing you should be burning stamina is for BLOCK STRIKING

[flat pebble]

weak spot to maniac and speedload to dumdum that's good

[atomic zephyr]

raking fire doesnt strike me as useful

[solar bone]

@limber egret I'm not trying to rain your parade. I want new weapons to, I just wouldn't be specific in those wants till we at least get something beyond a spash art from the beta to go off of

[finite imp]

MELEE vet not TURTLE vet

[atomic zephyr]

especially since im putting it on a frontliner sergeant build

[finite imp]

BE
AGRESSIVE
B. E.
AGGRESSIVE

[flat pebble]

it's a lot of free damage and you count as behind enemies more often than you'd think

[tulip zenith]

u having a stroke

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate + aggro drop

for the raking fire meme

[atomic zephyr]

oh my god that feels great though

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-cheerleader-male-cheerleading-yay-gif-13043960

[atomic zephyr]

instantly like it over the old laspistol

[finite imp]

GO TEAM

[hard cave]

moebian 21st gang rise up

✊

[finite imp]

The biggest suckers of us all

[muted prairie]

if they simply gave every guardsman a plasma gun, chaos wouldn't need to be purged. they would simply cry and run away

[serene sage]

You should play around choke points regardless. Don't just fight hordes in an open field

[sudden dome]

anyone not using autofire wont notice the laspistol nerf, it didnt even change and I use my mouse wheel to fire it so its literally max speed

[tulip zenith]

yeah this one feels more impactful

[atomic zephyr]

actually, the kant laspistol makes me think it might be good for an executioner's stance build

[slow spade]

honestly how does the IG lose battles? just VoC and facetank a XV88 broadside lol

[atomic zephyr]

onetapping shooters to the head feels nice

[finite imp]

I always keep an object nearby to hug

[slow spade]

to be fair, laspistol was always good for exe stance :p

[zinc plume]

should i get this using melk money

[untold mulch]

Sadly most run exec stance

[atomic zephyr]

true i never tried it tho

[slow spade]

damn 😔

[serene sage]

Is that so

[sudden dome]

gross shout is too good to not get

[whole moon]

Sprint->Flakiac, Slaughterer -> Thrust?

[finite imp]

VOC staggers an imperial class dreadnaught

[slow spade]

I love damage UwU

[untold mulch]

Emperor should have just spammed VoC against Horus

[ruby totem]

All these new toys!

[flat pebble]

why would you give up slaughterer over thunderous

[slow spade]

Vraks was won by kreig guardsmen spamming bayonets on leman russ tanks

[serene sage]

Just overshield and you can tank an exterminatus

[sudden dome]

shout is 8 ragers and 3 crushers just turned the corner, but you knocked them all down and AOE spammed them to death

[muted prairie]

VOC makes me happy because my dude yells cool things and doesn't just like, shoot harder? what is stance even? bro thinks about cadia and shoots harder?

[serene sage]

You're back!

[ruby totem]

I am omnipresent

[untold mulch]

Yes

[slow spade]

and none for you >:) brb dming Fatshark to revoke your gamekey

[junior needle]

Not good rolls with the stopping power and stability, 3/4 scuffed

[atomic zephyr]

upgraded a second one because i had a few nice rolls and enough plasteel to feel comfortable with it, which of these should i use?

[finite imp]

Uh yeah it's called having faith

[whole moon]

didnt bother reading it since I thought it was the toughness regen skill.. might get left or boosted then

[finite imp]

This is why cadia stood

Everyone kept shouting

[zinc plume]

are the blessings good enough to get it, i dont have a lot of plasteel to bother with stats right now 🥲

[serene sage]

They stood what? No chance against Chaos?

[atomic zephyr]

the question im asking is: infernus or raking fire, essentially

[flat pebble]

id do thunderous to thrust/headtaker and sprint efficiency to flak imo

[sudden dome]

100000 vets shout at once and overshield through the planet cracking

[flat pebble]

infernus is not really useful

[finite imp]

Nothing could have stood up to that lmao

[atomic zephyr]

[junior needle]

Deadly t4 is part of the meta setup for it but opening salvo is no longer preferred

[serene sage]

Should've shouted harder cause last I check their planet isn't doing very well

[muted prairie]

cadia the planet forgot to shout, that's why the blackstone fortress actually did damage to it

[finite imp]

It stands

[serene sage]

In a million pieces?

[muted prairie]

stupid idiot planet didn't press the ult button

[zinc plume]

@junior needle your opinion on this one?

[sudden dome]

should have braced its shield

[serene sage]

Just stagger the fortress back, are they stupid?

[sudden dome]

wouldnt even have been staggered

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-pepe-triggered-angry-ahhhh-gif-13627544

Least aggressive cadian

[muted prairie]

cadia? CADIA????????

[feral lake]

I hate having to redo my skill tree

[finite imp]

I CANT BELIEVE ITS BEEN 10 SECONDS SINCE I MENTIONED CADIA

[sudden dome]

no cadia is not a personality trait

[junior needle]

I have no idea about the state of the chainaxe currently, it used to need multiple power blessings just to make the weapon somewhat usable with heavy spam. Slaught at the very least is good. Infested and especially weakspot damage are not preferred on melee weapons.

[atomic zephyr]

counterpoint: cutthroat personality

[flat pebble]

cadia is a lifestyle

[finite imp]

Hey lol (6'4, cadian btw)

[muted prairie]

man tertium sucks but its suckiness reminds me OF CADIA

[flat pebble]

except cadia the planet which is rubble

[obtuse raft]

John darktide would be very offended if the guard ever taught him to read.

[dusky flare]

So why is the new revolver not allowed to aim

[zinc plume]

what are preferred perks on melee weapons?

[atomic zephyr]

cadians when the professional slightly suggests that they dont have to be so pissed off

[flat pebble]

it fan fires instead

[serene sage]

Because it can fan?

[atomic zephyr]

yeah you have to fan fire it

[dusky flare]

At least get rid of the bash to let us fan it instead

[flat pebble]

???

[atomic zephyr]

the aim lets you fan fire bro

[muted prairie]

suggest i need to be CALM? I'M A SOLDIER. IF I'M CALM, I'M DEAD. IF I'M DEAD, I CAN'T CADIA

[dusky flare]

why get rid of the aim on a heavy precision weapon

[flat pebble]

one crumb of game familiarity before complaining i beg

[obtuse raft]

Because it's different now

[serene sage]

fan fire
precision
Pick one

[sudden dome]

I think the tutorial should have new players go up and melee a barrel so they understand what happens when they shoot it when someone is near it

[rugged portal]

The other one has aim. This one has fast fire.

[wise wren]

So what exactly did they do to vet's skill trees

[muted prairie]

i was trying out the new revolver with crosshair mods, and it's weirdly accurate in fan fire mode

[serene sage]

Make it OP as fuck is what

[junior needle]

Generally flak/unarmored (for max bruiser coverage and essentially all types you hit with regularity in melee) or flak/maniac (assuming you actually use the weapon to deal with naked ragers and don't shoot them). There's a few exceptions.

[finite imp]

You'd think they'd put fanning on special

[untold mulch]

The tutorial should spam a 1000 Poxbursters and you have unlimited health

until you try to shove them

[dusky flare]

I'm wondering what's stopping us from looking down the ironsights that are on this gun lol

[serene sage]

We already have a reputation for skill issues, now it's likely justified too

[untold mulch]

That would not be stylish

[muted prairie]

faith in the emperor to guide your bullets, that's what

[flat pebble]

idk it kinda makes sense to me, it's basically a braced revolver and the old revolver is the headhunter revolver

[muted prairie]

how does one brace a pistol anyways? bracing a rifle kind of made sense

[flat pebble]

by holding it at their hip with their hammer hand ready

[serene sage]

We need an infantry revolver that is just automatic

[rugged portal]

Look, if you're lame, use the one that lets you aim. Us cool guys will rapid shot from the hip like good ol Texas Red.

[flat pebble]

make it like the bioshock revolver when it's upgraded with a goofy 18 round cylinder

[wise wren]

Old revolver is for specialists n what not
new one is really good against bosses imo

[grave cargo]

Holy fucking shit they changed fire

[untold mulch]

https://i.ibb.co/P5NhtP0/Single-Action-Revolver-Fistful-of-Dollars2.gif

[flat pebble]

its fine against bosses, that clip is with an insane supporting build

[muted prairie]

i saw the videos of new revolver vs bosses. how the heck did they do that much damage?

[flat pebble]

also i know what separates the two revolvers lol

[rugged portal]

Thats just the Laspistol.

[serene sage]

Azreal did more harm than good with those clips ngl

[untold mulch]

A clip doing more harm than good

tell me more

[serene sage]

It's the mother of all glasscanon

[copper parcel]

So what is different about the new chainsword t hat just came out today compared to the old mark 4?

[flat pebble]

people really are not understanding the degree to which that was a meme build

[untold mulch]

Recon be like

[obtuse raft]

Taking every single possible damage up in a single build in a perfect scenario

[serene sage]

With zero context

[flat pebble]

it's basically the vet version of the invis thammer zealot

[grave cargo]

You can stack a bunch of debuffs and buffs yeah you can make most any weapon perform like that

[flat pebble]

absolutely no utility for doing one big funny a match

[muted prairie]

from what i can tell, it cleaves better but its heavies don't cleave

[elder vessel]

I tried one of vets new flip shovels

Can confirm that I want it

[muted prairie]

i think i like the new chainsword more

[finite imp]

Azreal is like a darktide scientist. Sometimes they discover evolution, sometimes they invent a nuke

[grave cargo]

Just get an ogryn and a zealot and another vet and you can stack a fuckton of rending and bonus damage

[finite imp]

spicy science

[crisp bronze]

So what are the thoughts on the new shovels?
The Mk 3 seems decent with a better folded heavy but the Mk 7 has a better overall moveset in my opinion.
The Mk3's Heavy 2 is an overhead strikedown which doesn't seem super useful when the folded attacks already solve most of your single target.
The Mk7's light moveset is 2 blunt sweeps followed by a cutting sweep and a cutting overhead, and the heavies on the Mk7 are both blunt sweeps like the Standard Issue shovel. Much better overall imo. The one meh thing about the 7 is the folded heavy has a pretty awkward angle and seems to take longer to pull out of the enemy.

[serene sage]

Yeah but he also posted on Reddit and now I'm concerned a bunch of copy cats will plague AT5/M without realizing it's a terrible build.

[finite imp]

good for digging too

[grave cargo]

I can’t believe they changed fire though

[muted prairie]

i tried them out. they're all kind of cool, but i couldn't help myself from thinking "yeah, but my powersword does this better in every way"

[finite imp]

I think what people need to realize is that mf plays solo auric maelstrom and then comes and suggests balances

[flat pebble]

ffs did he really

[serene sage]

I can. It's in the game.

[grave cargo]

That’s like, one of two issues I still had with the game

[midnight mortar]

I do find it funny that now instead of losing all your toughness from fire immediately, you just lose all your health almost immediately.

[serene sage]

The top 3/5 post if you sort by top today

[flat pebble]

azreal really just made the entire community worse

[serene sage]

One for each boss kek

[swift bear]

Someone tell me what to think. How are vet changes? How is new pistol?

[flat pebble]

with one meme build and 3 clips put back to back to back

[muted prairie]

is the massive fire health damage a glitch or not? i've heard it was but i'm not sure

[tame lichen]

[tall torrent]

They said it’ll be hot fixed

[grave cargo]

Yeah it basically just kills you if you stay in it but being clipped doesn’t fuck you nearly as bad

[elder vessel]

They should make demolition stockpile a default thing for vets nades

[muted prairie]

vet changes very good. i can finally use keystones. new pistol is just old pistol but heavier. every gun is just a less good plasma gun.

[elder vessel]

But yes I am finally happy with vets new tree

All that remains is making his 2 new auras actually relevant

[serene sage]

We are OP as fuckkkk yooo

[muted prairie]

when i was able to get the nodes i want and have leftover points for a keystone, i felt inner peace for the first time

[flat pebble]

imagine if that old clip of crab killing a plague ogryn in 8 knife heavies made it to the top page of the darktide reddit and how much worse knife zealot would be

now we have that on revolver vets. i can already feel it

[serene sage]

Tbf let's see if it's actually affecting people's builds

[flat pebble]

im afraid mudkip

[serene sage]

But a clip without context is usually misleading

[muted prairie]

that, and smoke grenade. if they made all of them relevant, vet would be in a perfect balance spot

[midnight mortar]

I hate this.

[grave cargo]

Fire team isn’t so bad but it’s not good. But 10% would really be too much. But also psyker already has a boost to elite damage. Even still they should probably rework it to like

[unique orchid]

is opening salvo + shock trooper some manner of tech i never realized until now?

[grave cargo]

10% bonus weakspot damage aura

Or even 15%

[midnight mortar]

You are about 3 patches late to the party.

[grave cargo]

Since that’s Vet’s schtick now

[serene sage]

People run it a lot with Helbore in Patch 13 when things were new.

[unique orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/why-crying-emotional-tears-sobbing-gif-17306861

[lean light]

The old kasrkin double tap

[elder vessel]

Smokes should work something like stun nades, set up enemies in the cloud for ez kills and protect you from ranged fire from anything outside the cloud

[muted prairie]

they could give me a 50% weakspot aura and i'd still take ammo tbh

[untold mulch]

Ngl, the upper upper tier of player should not be calling any balance shot

[unique orchid]

im using the new heavy laspistol for it

[serene sage]

Smoke should give you a damage buff inside the zone

Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[grave cargo]

Make Psyker’s 10% vs elites and specials instead of 5% and vet’s aura 15/20% bonus weakspot. That would actually make it somewhat competitive versus ammo especially if you’re a melee focused vet

Still not the best opportunity cost but it could slot in real nice to some builds

[scenic bronze]

Smoke should be antismoke, clear them ventilation missions one throw at a time

[grave cargo]

You should have 5 smokes

That would help a lot

[hollow turtle]

Someone said yesterday that smoke should put out fires.

[muted prairie]

what if smoke gave everyone outlined enemies if you're in the smoke. haha jk. unless...?

[elder vessel]

Smokes should just

Keep ranged enemies from shooting you, not any "inaccuracy" nonsense, just don't let them shoot

[finite imp]

No shit

[hollow turtle]

Lol not wrong

[grave cargo]

It would be nice if the smoke suppressed them yeah

[inner drift]

i'm warming up to the new chainsword tbh

[muted prairie]

for hordes, it seems to me like a straight upgrade

[finite imp]

No hate against Azreal. You're a vet amongst vets. You're one of the vets to ever exist.

[muted prairie]

a veteran vet, perhaps?

[finite imp]

Yeah

The vet vet

A vets vet

[inner drift]

well, you still have the strikedown first light which I think hurts a bit

since push attack is quite slow on this variant

[unique orchid]

i think a bit of both, it makes sense to spray into a smokescreen if yknow, the people behind it are gonna kill you

[minor brook]

what do i change on this?

[elder vessel]

Just heard a Mauler Voiceline

[dark sorrel]

I know we had Veteran rework 2 but what about veteran rework 3?

[lean light]

I fucking love chainswords right now

[elder vessel]

"FRESH SACRIFICES"

[terse idol]

I heard a crusher voice and it was SO LOUD

[elder vessel]

Super loud

[muted prairie]

i think the strikedown first on the new chainsword is actually pretty nice, helps handle singular enemies

[terse idol]

Like, louder than most of the action I heard that time

[inner drift]

this is the only time where i think wrath is unambiguously better than savage sweep

[terse idol]

Which is good, but a little jarring 😌

[muted prairie]

please no, obesefish actually got it right this time, please change literally nothing about my precious tree

[grave cargo]

While high skill play is useful it shouldn’t be the end all be all of balance

[inner drift]

since you can't activate savage against three bruisers with anything except heavy 3

[dark sorrel]

It actually unironically is good

It gives enough points to spec into whatever I want

Its so fucking nice

[grave cargo]

Because 90% of the players really won’t make use of those real high skill techs and stuff

[flat pebble]

both perks imo, maniac flak

[grave cargo]

Imo “techs” should never be a thing, the game should either have an outright mechanic or it shouldn’t

[flat pebble]

or maniac unyielding

[inner drift]

getting to pick up agile engagement on survivalist builds is actually insane for melee vet

[muted prairie]

new tree gives me extra ammo, damage against elites and ogryns, weakspot damage, AND i get to take the focus fire keystone. i'm so happy today bros

[unique orchid]

im enjoying the new laspistol, though my OG chainie feels better to use since i can chain heavies for CC
also yeah new tree good i can use the Tagging keystone and other funny stuff

[serene sage]

To be fair, lower level isn't affected by balance that much

[spark ore]

isit me or are hitmarkers and kill markers not working consistently now?

[serene sage]

Because it depends more on your gameplay than optimization

It's a weird paradox

[inner drift]

and laspistol now has literally infinite ammo due to needing to pick up 25% ammo on the way to shock trooper

[minor brook]

are the blessings fine?

[spark ore]

I'll kill elites and specialists with my gun and I'm not seeing the kill confirmation hitmarker

[flat pebble]

id prefer crucian and trickshooter but it should be okay

[inner drift]

i shot everything foir an entire match and my ammo didn't dip below 95%

[unique orchid]

i have noticed this as well

[flat pebble]

unless anyone in here knows a reason sustained fire is bad in a specific way

[ivory rock]

The bloat is dead.... it's... it's so beautiful....

[serene sage]

Skip shock trooper then 😁

[spark ore]

it's been pretty annoying tbh lol

[muted prairie]

oh yea, fellow plasmachads, have you guys noticed that some of your shots just don't exist visually? like, i'll shoot my plasmaload and the dudes die, but i hear no sound effect or anything

[grave cargo]

Im more ok with high level players balancing a game like this than say

Dota or tf2

[timber raven]

can I get a vibe check on the new talent tree? I can't form my own opinions because my brain is too smooth

[serene sage]

Bro really took 10% team replen over Iron will

[unique orchid]

THE VIBES ARE LIT, FOR THE EMPEROR

[inner drift]

well it's on the way to the second 0.25s stam regen delay module anyway

[obtuse raft]

That's been getting reported a whole ton

[grave cargo]

The issue comes imo when vets get bored and think the game is too easy so they try to make the game harder

[muted prairie]

I SHOOT GOOD AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD

[flat pebble]

what is base toughness replenishment, to put a specific value to what +10% turns into

[muted prairie]

thanks for confirming i'm not crazy tyty

[grave cargo]

See: heavy TF2

[serene sage]

It doesn't work on all toughness, only Coherency bonus

[inner drift]

which is something you can afford to pick up now and it makes your melee survivability a lot better

[drowsy sluice]

is there a melee vet build thats worth using at higher end content?

[ivory rock]

OH THATS WHERE THE MISSING POINT WENT LMAO I ACCIDENTALLY CLICKED IT JKASKDASKDFKA

[serene sage]

So low, and 10% of the low numbers

[flat pebble]

yeah that's usually what the toughness regen stuff does

[inner drift]

hahahahahahahaha yes

[grave cargo]

If it was actually 10% toughness it wouldn’t be bad but yeah it’s a misleading tooltip

[inner drift]

it's the best vet build

[flat pebble]

like on curios

[serene sage]

Oh yeah then ig idk 😐

[grave cargo]

You get 5.5% a second regen instead of 5% when in max coherency

Bad. Terrible even

[hallow moat]

ILL FLUSH EM OUT

[flat pebble]

i want to put a number to it to explain why it's not useful

[drowsy sluice]

do you have a link or screenshot of it?

[muted prairie]

dreadful, if you will

[wise harness]

antax mk 5 with new tree can 1hit head all trash with the mass ignoring blessing, while running plasma

[flat pebble]

the same situation with how you need to explain why 12% ability cooldown from your curios isn't worth it

[midnight mortar]

This is veteran rework 3.

[grave cargo]

Max coherency is like 5% a second, 2% with one other person

[wise harness]

and auto reload on kill is amazing for it too

never need to reload except bosses

[grave cargo]

So you’re getting between .2-.5% extra regen when out of combat

[zinc osprey]

how do we get autoreload on kill?

[serene sage]

Pog?

[grave cargo]

It’s really pretty dreadfully bad

[wise harness]

bottom right mastery, just first 2 points

[stuck bridge]

Specialist keystone

[flat pebble]

it carries games bro you wouldnt get it

[serene sage]

Ashcually it's team wide, so x4 that

[drowsy sluice]

is there one for like the powersword, chainaxes or chainswords?

[grave cargo]

Assume it worked with confirmed kill though

[zinc osprey]

ohhh

[grave cargo]

It would still only give you 3% extra toughness

[serene sage]

And you get 2-4%

[grave cargo]

So it still wouldn’t be gamechanging

[serene sage]

So pog

[unique orchid]

specialist probably works way better than i think it would but like, i dont really feel like using it

[grave cargo]

But it wouldn’t be. Fucking dog like it actually is now

[sonic skiff]

this good for new shovel?

[serene sage]

I'm being facetious lol

[zinc osprey]

It's amazing

[brazen bay]

can someone give me the quick diff between the new powersword vs the old

[wise harness]

chainaxes are pain
chainsword and power sword can run the same or maybe even save the 2 point for 10% melee dmg breakpoint and use it on something else

[minor brook]

isnt bonus against carapace better than unyielding?

[zinc osprey]

Can confirm. Specialist has been good since it was released.

[serene sage]

Like x4 still only get you 4%

[inner drift]

right tree keystone, take all the melee nodes on the way there, grab agile engagement

[wise harness]

idk how to send build tho

[inner drift]

the rest is preference and depends on your ranged weapon

[zinc osprey]

This is the way

[drowsy sluice]

this is what im currently running for a "melee" vet

[zinc osprey]

What gun are you using?

[muted prairie]

if only if they put agile engagement in a less terrible spot

[drowsy sluice]

for now the graia autogun, till i can get a better revolver, bolter, or plasma

[inner drift]

ikr but holy shit we can actually take it now on survivalist builds

which is wild

[dark sorrel]

Absolute miracle

[zinc osprey]

That's interesting. How has it handled with specialists? It seems best for staggering, but not for killing.

[muted prairie]

this is gonna sound crazy, but as i was playin melee vet i kept thinking to myself "maybe i don't need the keystone or agile engagement. my melee weapon is out too long to benefit from them"

[inner drift]

revolver and plasma like the autoreload perk below the keystone

[drowsy sluice]

im not running super high difficulties, just heresy so its fine

[zinc osprey]

Ah okay.

[inner drift]

bolter on melee vet is terrible, you need to weapon swap too often for it to work

[muted prairie]

plasma on melee vet is the way to go. solid ranged, quick swap

[inner drift]

laspisol is the other giga option imo, both marks of it have insane dps and ammo economy on vet

[zinc osprey]

Would you show me the rest of your build?

[inner drift]

though you probably need to give up middle tree perks for it

[drowsy sluice]

let me make a build editor thing for mine and yall tell me what to swap

[ruby totem]

THE BLOAT

ITS GLORIOUS

[wise harness]

found a way to link it, lemme know if it opens
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ac79bef-f570-4674-ac90-85063d2aa472
using it on auric maelstrom and 99% top of kills both trash and special on team (not boss dmg, but decet there too)

[ruby totem]

or, lack thereof

[muted prairie]

honest question, what do you non plasma guys run? i'm always scared of carapace. do you take krak grenades?

[tall torrent]

I use Helbore 2

[muted prairie]

i tried helbore when i went through a bayonet phase, and it just killed crushers so slow

that's your main weapon against them?

[stuck bridge]

Hellbore mk 2 is my jam

Bayonet op

[tall torrent]

Don’t bayonet crushers

[civic knot]

Worth buying?

[muted prairie]

i shot them lol, it was just so much slower than krak/plasma

[tall torrent]

Bring a melee weapon that kills the well

[serene bough]

Which shovel good

[wise harness]

if you like the weapon tipe ye, amazing rolls
change specialist to maniak and terryfing to blazing

[junior needle]

Shredder pistol is dumpster tier currently

[drowsy sluice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac79cef-8ebe-49bf-978d-936cce85ecb7/current-melee-vet @zinc osprey @inner drift @wise harness

[tall torrent]

I personally don’t rely on ranged weapons for crushers

[muted prairie]

psword against crushers?

[wise harness]

while the base wepon is bad, that is a gooood rolled one, might as well, never know if they re-buff it and becomes godly again

[tall torrent]

Plasma can kill them but you spend quite a lot of ammo for a really bad ammo economy weapon

[ruby totem]

Finally in the game so excited to play around in the meat grinder

[drowsy sluice]

so that build i could swap out for a powersword or chainsword?

[tall torrent]

I use Rashad axe

[rain grove]

You didn't have the right build. I can 3 shot them and 2 shot with executioner stance

[muted prairie]

interesting, i shall give it a shot

[wise harness]

skirmisher is eh, also no weapon selected

[radiant flint]

You can now hold the primary action button to continuously shoot with Helbore lasguns while in ADS.

whast does that mean? you cant hold full charge on helbore now?

[ocean moat]

how is the new revolver?

[muted prairie]

when you get to full charge and wait 3 seconds for it to shoot, it shoots right after that 3 second holding charge period

[drowsy sluice]

yeah, weapons arent good so i didnt bother adding them

this is my graia for now

[wise harness]

ye remove the 2 small point (5% hp and 10&melee) and put them in something you like, prob 20% ogryn/monster dmg and either 50%aura aoe for buff or 25% ammo (but plasma never runs out aniway)

[tardy turtle]

wish I had farmed the revolver blessings :/

[rain grove]

Once you let your full charge fire. It immediately starts charging the next one when trigger is held from what I have seen

[radiant flint]

oh ok i see

[tall torrent]

It’s one of the hardest weapons to roll for

[wise harness]

also 25% is additive or multiplicative or something cause it sure isn't 25%, more like 10-15%

plasma gets +32 from 260base ammo

[dusky flare]

Exhilirating takedown bugged to be actively detrimental: 😴
Onslaught bugged to proc on dots: 🛠️ 🛠️

[muted prairie]

i'm pretty sure it's multiplicative to your RESERVE ammo, which is dumb

[tall torrent]

Both are fixed now

[muted prairie]

but pretty sure that's how it works

[dusky flare]

When was it fixed

[drowsy sluice]

ill try out yours, also here is my temp powersword

[junior needle]

Last patch in a hotfix

[wise harness]

or that too, so that's why so bad on plasma

[rain grove]

When using helbore high DMG and pen are a must. Plus anything that increases crit chance

[wise harness]

ey, power cycler, that's already a good sword just from that

[muted prairie]

honestly i run it on plasma because +25% means +25% regen on kills, +25% on pickups too. since i think everything is based on reserve ammo instead of total ammo

[rain grove]

So stabby veteran side is not as effective than the executioner side

[ivory rock]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-its-all-coming-together-kronk-the-emperors-new-groove-gif-15921603

[drowsy sluice]

its sadly not hte tier 4 version though

[wise harness]

but on that is 50% as good, so 12.5%, too point starved for just that (preferences in the end)
and on auric there is so many special for the ammo regen too

[wise harness]

ye getting that is.... pain

[tardy turtle]

no more bloat in tree is making my bolter vet very happy. I clap

[rain grove]

I will always support catachan knife and devil claw swords parry

[muted prairie]

ye it's definitely preference in the end. i just feel safer with more ammo through the whole level

[iron marten]

@dusk idol vets eating good this update aye

[rain grove]

Yup

[modest sapphire]

eating too good? or is it balanced

[drowsy sluice]

i had it in my Melk shop on my 2nd day of playing and i couldnt afford it before reset :(

[wise harness]

:c

[rain grove]

I think balanced

[ebon umbra]

had to fight that speedy mfer after everyone died. he was at 75% when my team died

[muted prairie]

unironically, i made 2 vets just so i could fish for milkman's t4 power cycler blessing better

[ebon umbra]

too bad he ran into my dclaw

[rain grove]

Now the stimms are a different story

[wise harness]

honestly i feel op as vet now

[muted prairie]

it paid off and i got t4 power cycler

[rain grove]

Btw the DMG stimms affects bleed dmg

[drowsy sluice]

i may end up doing that, cause i like vet more than the other classes

[modest sapphire]

does -90% threat mean 90% chance that im getting ignored by enemies?

[drowsy sluice]

zealot is pretty fun though, i like how much melee attack speed they get

[muted prairie]

it's pretty fun going from 1-30 again, and you get to pick another voice. i'd recommend tbh