veteran-class

[devout atlas]

Is that so?

[brisk umbra]

Man, that ain't great.

I mean sure, the dps is utter insanity

[stuck bridge]

yet to get a full build out of them. talent tree they posted barely does half that

[shell ginkgo]

[brisk umbra]

but on a normal game it's just shit

[tall torrent]

Feels like exactly what we needed

[tulip zenith]

nice. Build?

[south garnet]

it's been posted like 20 times this morning

[tulip zenith]

where

[flat pebble]

we’re bordering on needing a pin here

[brisk umbra]

I mean what the fuck is that Azreal

[finite imp]

Bruh

[tulip zenith]

It does big damage, my monke brain activated

[brisk umbra]

Yeah, hope to christ that nothing is between you and the target, because otherwise it ain't hitting it

[fathom turret]

I don't play Vet, but curious if FS messed your your skill tree again by trying to make it in line with the others.

[terse idol]

Folks said it's better

[brisk umbra]

I mean, i'll say this

I'll probably try it on my assail Psyker

[finite imp]

BURST DAMAGEEEE

[tall torrent]

It’s way way way better

[ruby hull]

Why would it be worse?

[brisk umbra]

since i use my secondary only for boss damage prett ymuch

[tulip zenith]

The reload on the og revolver is painful

[terse idol]

Sweet I can darktide tonight

[brisk umbra]

but having insane fall off, and no pierce at all

really makes it awful to play with

[tulip zenith]

I much rather use plasma gun for big damage

[pulsar shore]

This feels fine in close combat

[brisk umbra]

god knows billlions

whatever you aim at usually get hit anyway

[karmic musk]

Wait no cleave means Ogryns will block it?

[tiny summit]

It's better. Main issue with it previously were that the keystones were tacked on and the pathing sucked at the bottom half. It's better now.

[tall torrent]

This red circle is like the only talent tax at the bottom half of Vet tree now

[brisk umbra]

yep

[south garnet]

no, it's beautiful. Savor every round slipping into its designated chamber. Lick and kiss each and every one and whisper it sweet hopes for its future as you chamber it to be dispensed to the next forehead its destiny ordains will be its final resting place

[brisk umbra]

It only cleave 1 Unarmored trash enemy

That's all

[tight dragon]

tbf new revolver reloads 5 bullets even if you only have 1 left, litteraly unplayable

[brisk umbra]

Even an infested is too much to cleave

[karmic musk]

Alright so you definitely give up a lot for that Special attack on the new shovels

Everything is slower than old Shovel

[tulip zenith]

I know this is not Zealot channel, but I like new revolver better on Zealot momentum builds

much faster reloads

[shell ginkgo]

Thank god we can't drop the bullets in a panic because my blood covered gloves would be slipping

[tall torrent]

Middle red is the only “ok” one

[tulip zenith]

old shovel is still goated for me

new one feels off

[karmic musk]

Old Shovel is still best mobility besides Knife + control

[south garnet]

yea this looks wicked

[astral blade]

Hey fellas how the new vet tree looking

[tulip zenith]

Has anyone tried the new knife? Found out you can punch+Heavy and it'll do the headshot heavy every time

[crisp bronze]

I take Close Quarters Killzone on the right side just because it lets me get my precious Desperado.

[tulip zenith]

great for dealing with tougher enemies

while light attacks spread bleeding like no others

[brisk umbra]

? what

[tulip zenith]

It looks great on paper at least

[astral blade]

I’m currently away for 5 days so can’t use mah pc

Hence why I ask

[brisk umbra]

The new knife is mostly for zealot imho

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-reach-reaching-wwe-raw-gif-16766522

Azrael reaching for his red nodes:

[astral blade]

How the new vet tree

[zealous wyvern]

new skilltree

[brisk umbra]

it's amazing to pop off crits

[zealous wyvern]

shows they are still thinking

good

[runic axle]

That's a lot of toughness

[astral blade]

Well that’s good to hear

[stuck bridge]

with stance

[crisp bronze]

Is the new Mk 6 knife better at horde clear than the Mk 3 like they said it should be? Haven't tried it myself yet.

[runic axle]

I feel like this update might've made Veteran just a tiny bit too good

[brisk umbra]

any bullshit talents on the tree? 😛

[south garnet]

is this with +weakspot node?

[astral blade]

How the new mark for the Chainsword

[astral blade]

Don’t say that

[tulip zenith]

seems like it
Not THAT much better though, need further testing

[runic axle]

I know the consequences

[tiny summit]

Vets, time for your kneecaps beating.

[flat nest]

any recommendations on what i should switch for the new revolver?

[astral blade]

Fellas how the new Chainsword for vet?

[runic axle]

I mean honestly, the melee build I made has batshit insane toughness damage reduction, attack speed, damage, toughness and upkeep. Maybe Vet just sucked ass a whole lot and I didn't play other characters enough to notice it, but this seems real big

[jaunty sphinx]

vets, are we back?

[acoustic wyvern]

no we need more buffs

[runic axle]

You probably won't get a good answer for the next like 2 days or so until someone gets a good roll on it and tries it out

[astral blade]

Ugh guess I’ll find out once I get back in 4 days

[stuck bridge]

a bit skiffed without atk speed talents imo

[hybrid elm]

Nop

[fast scaffold]

It's more of a strikedown weapon

[stuck bridge]

bayonet still better

[fast scaffold]

It's okay but I liked the mk4 better I think

[acoustic wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-confused-serious-superman-gif-15454166

[brisk umbra]

Honestly the new chainswords feels exactly like the old one

i really do not get it

[toxic leaf]

my only gripe with the vet tree now is that you're kinda forced to take survivalist in auric/t5s, and then you gotta waste a point if you want krak over frags

[tall torrent]

BM still works on bayonet

[toxic leaf]

but i suppose every class has wasted points

[stuck bridge]

ive seen plenty of non survavalist vets in auric. even some smoke vets. help

[karmic musk]

New Chainsword is alright, not sure I like the heavy strikedowns though didnt feel impressive from one match

[astral blade]

Sooooo the twins

[serene sage]

Vets are more than just ammo bots. #vetsrights

[astral blade]

How does it look on that front?

[tiny summit]

Running non-ammo aura to teach pubs ammo management

[karmic musk]

I'm getting corruption karked from the Twins

[toxic leaf]

lol

[astral blade]

Are they a bitch to kill

[candid tundra]

I played this video and my discord (mobile) CRASHED lmao

[crisp bronze]

I know they reduced the fire rate of the old Laspistol so this isn't as much of an issue with it but how do the 2 Laspistols compare in terms of "rapid access route to carpel tunnel". Basically how much slower is the new one compared to old?

[serene sage]

If they play Plasma they get 75% back, too.
Talking about value.

[vivid bolt]

nah.

Hurry up ammo donkey

[tiny summit]

Had a game where I was just doing ass on my gun psyker. Died twice but every time I was up I was spewing bullets at all the specials/elites. Played like ass at survivability but like doubled the dmg of my better living teammates. I would have more ammo when I was rezzed than when I died

[south garnet]

Small-minded cro-magnons thinking they're planning ahead like cornering a herd of buffalo or dinosaurs or whatever they ate: "I'll grind out and save a ton of plasteel and blow it all rolling new weapons day 1 only to be broke, find out half are trash, and regret all my wasted millions of dockets!"
Me, perfect genius and exemplar of the homo sapien-sapien, descended from my place in the heavens only briefly to let the souls bound to mortality witness my divine spark: "I'll wait for meta"

[waxen abyss]

they be right yaknow

[south spindle]

Anyone else feel like Vet's base crit has been reduced? Dont feel able to proc Manstopper nearly as much with Deadshot this patch

Nah, i know that, but further so in this instance

[mystic belfry]

I grin a little when I start a match without ammo aura and see the ogryn mag dumping random ambient trash

[acoustic wyvern]

omg

the

MK10 laspistol fucks

[astral blade]

Looks like the col IGA hasn’t being nerfed

Good

[acoustic wyvern]

the vfx for it is so heavy. has weight to shots now

[mystic belfry]

I have six hours before I get off work and can try the update smh

[astral blade]

From im reading in the patch notes

[quick fossil]

Is onslaught nerfed or something ? or is that still good with rapid fire autoguns

[raw steppe]

do you have a t4 haymaker to test with

[mystic belfry]

How’s it going

[south garnet]

same

[raw steppe]

I want to see if the swing heavies work well with haymaker

[tiny summit]

We noticed the CIA out performing recon, so we nerfed it to bring balance to recon 😥

[mystic belfry]

Yeah felt iffy they buffed fire so much lol

[cloud leaf]

Fire is too weak if you're used to never touching it it does zero damage. Only dangerous if you're trapped in it

[tranquil socket]

New revolver kinda bad

[karmic musk]

Why is other Shovel bad tho, I actually prefer it

[tranquil socket]

but also kinda fun

[astral blade]

Bro don’t be stupid

[mystic belfry]

Kinda like vt2 masterwork? Can it not one shot specials?

[astral blade]

It wasn’t in the patch notes

[nimble sentinel]

I haven't tested the new shovels, how do they differ?

[karmic musk]

Mk3 has simple combos, the other has the heavy swings from old shovels

[stuck bridge]

false

[vivid bolt]

no no, it takes 1.5 seconds total

so

[nimble sentinel]

Mk3 has no bonk?

[south garnet]

new fire is going to be toned down via hotfix per the CM

[vivid bolt]

roughly .5 seconds to kill you

[karmic musk]

its a pickaxe now

[grand sable]

tfw you get revived on the fire

[south spindle]

Its good.. but it still feels like you're clubbing stuff to death more than it feels like a chain weapon

[south garnet]

pickaxe is frowned upon these days. axe is also supposed to pick you. above all, it's illegal to exchange axe for money

[nimble sentinel]

me and the boys digging for plasteel https://youtu.be/XuZDeT8zI5c?si=_o9xNbTtDQdLqV5X

[crisp bronze]

Does it make your trigger finger nonexistant after 2 missions like the og Laspistol? Or is it that much slower than the older one?

[nimble sentinel]

slower, like a MG Ia

[stuck bridge]

new pistol like mg12

accurate blindfire

[tight dragon]

would be good if it wasn't stuck with dumdum/infernus as the best blessings tho

don't think it fits

[acoustic wyvern]

much slower but hits like a truck

[south garnet]

try dumdum ghost

[acoustic wyvern]

i think this wall explains a lil

[unique orchid]

they released a new chainsword right?

[acoustic bloom]

yes

[unique orchid]

howsit?

[pulsar drift]

So we vet can fuck DHs now like the thammer?

[shell ginkgo]

New laspistol feels great to use

[tame lichen]

smh why didnt I take a photo f my last talent tree

rip build

[acoustic wyvern]

its a star wars heavy blaster

[swift flax]

got this in melk's, thoughts?

[languid rose]

Gentlemen, how do we feel about the new Chainsword?

[ebon umbra]

anyone have plasma gun dmg tables with blaze away?? please i cant keep testing blaze away stacks with different builds and dmg modifiers

i actually beg you

please

[crisp bronze]

Might have to try out the new Laspistol then. Couldn't get into the old one because I could feel my hands hurt after one or 2 missions. I play on Xbox so no macros either. (Not that I would use them.) I honestly think this game needs an "all guns full auto" accessability setting. Would be nice.

[ebon umbra]

i love you

sorry

my ass should read more

[pulsar drift]

This has been the most progressive moths since released

[hollow turtle]

Isn't the new 'chainsword' an eviscerator? Or is that an actual new chainsword?

[unique orchid]

it's a mark of the 1h chainie

[pulsar drift]

I feel like playing a different game now

[half rose]

there are 3 new chain weapons one axe one evis one sword

[acoustic bloom]

there's a new variant for all chain weapons

[pulsar drift]

Especially with the bomber change

[hollow turtle]

Coolsies

Can't wait to try it out later.

[unique orchid]

whats the variant of the sword do, is it more CC?

[crisp bronze]

There is a new chainsword, new chainaxe, and new eviscerator.

[finite imp]

damn did they raise plasteel rewards

[acoustic bloom]

seems to be better at hording, but gotta try it out

[finite imp]

i got 860 that time

[pulsar drift]

And new shovels

[acoustic bloom]

@unique orchid

[solar bone]

anyone having issues getting trickshooter to proc consistently on new revolver?

[unique orchid]

hording?

[half rose]

how do the 2 new shovels compare to eachother

[hollow turtle]

Sounds like a normal amount of plasteel to me. I usually get close to 800 in Auric

[half rose]

is one of them clearly better than the other

[flat nest]

really wish we had the vermintide system where we can downgrade upgrade material

[unique orchid]

so true

the emperor thanks you for your service

[hollow turtle]

Less talking, more purging required.

[peak stone]

anyone else notice that the plasma gun firing sound glitches on follow up shots half the time now? Animation too

[tame lichen]

damn did the remove the ammo replenish talent

[unique orchid]

oh shit they added monsters to psykanium

damn

[hollow turtle]

Lol

[unique orchid]

nah im on the 'puter

[tall sleet]

holy fk my overkill dmg lmao

[stone birch]

Revolver still any good?

[minor brook]

BOYS HOW IS THIS UPDATE FOR VET

HOWS THE TREE

[flint garden]

dont you still get 100% cara dmg on a crit with hc iv

[tall sleet]

I think it's definitely made vet stronger

[flint garden]

you can actually branch out a bit with less tax in the way

[tall sleet]

jesus christ lmao

[stone birch]

Nice. How bout the original, bigger iron?

[minor brook]

oh my god

whats this mk? i gotta try this new weapon

[tame lichen]

any opinions on the chainaxe

[south garnet]

Sorry but I can't play this silly baby toy with you guys. I'm too busy having sex and by sex I mean working and by working I mean pretending to work. I would never have sex, that's gross. I'm married

[tame lichen]

or still meme

[strange crow]

Mk XIV stub revolver

[tiny summit]

I've heard good

[serene sage]

😔 man out here flexing

[strange crow]

A true soldier of the Imperium would never cheat on the Emperor

[quiet token]

Thanks, that really helped.

[nimble sentinel]

skill issue

[acoustic wyvern]

Emperor is rotting, so is the imperium

[serene sage]

Didn't one of the Psykers literally mention "corpse emperor"?

Like that's immediate execution territory

[strange crow]

Yes

[stone birch]

Aye, the god emperor Ronald thatcher ruined everything.

[strange crow]

But the inquisition is desperate

[copper pine]

The loner does

[tiny summit]

Despite memes, turns out 40k lore isn't actually as hardcore as the memes make it look.

[nimble sentinel]

the Craftworld of Falklands had it coming

[serene sage]

It's both hardcore and goofy as fuck

[stone birch]

So did the Falklands I guess lolol

[last pewter]

hey uh weird question

does anyone have a picture of the old skill tree?

[south garnet]

Yes. How much you got

[nimble sentinel]

listen, I may be stupid,

[devout atlas]

DAWG the new shovels are just thunderhammers oh my god they SLAP

[strange crow]

The Krieg memes are the pinnacle of stupidity and ignorance imo

[south garnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002993454579728595/1179168299565727885/image.png?ex=6578cd0e&is=6566580e&hm=f892f713efb75b19b1f88e8a61e03aed01cc2b97a98336e621ce276c55dff61c&

[mystic belfry]

So how do y’all like the tree rework

[devout atlas]

a lot of 40k "fans" have not read a single book or even paragraph

[last pewter]

I got a meme and then a cute puppy video

[tiny summit]

Just found the dancing krieg videos this week

[stone birch]

Okay time to remake my vet builds AGAIN

[south garnet]

Low res for free, high res will cost ya

[strange crow]

Krieg "fans" when they find out about the rout and commissar-fragging at Vraks

https://tenor.com/view/ruckus-this-cant-be-no-this-cant-be-sad-read-letter-gif-14293155805878050145

[tiny summit]

I'm new. Only finished eisenhorn book 1 this month. Cool stuff I look forward to more

[forest maple]

yoooo the orestes chainaxe is kinda bussin?

[flat pebble]

ayyy just finished book 2 yesterday

you’re in for fun if you keep reading

[wanton dawn]

Hey, that's pretty good

[nimble sentinel]

Krieg fans when they find out who really won the war their drip is based on

[serene sage]

Eh let's not gatekeep. I paint, I play a bunch of WH stuff, I read random snippets, listened to like 3 different WH podcasts, 500+ hours in DT. Haven't touched a single book.

I guess I'm not a real fan 😭

[strange crow]

Krieg fans when they find out who their drip is based on

[south garnet]

If I'm not extorting figures of authority then I'm not living my best life

[forest maple]

what would you guys change on this?

[nimble sentinel]

They already know

[wanton dawn]

Seems like you can reach consistent OS on crusher with plasma this patch. Neat

[serene sage]

Steel Legion are Kriegers wannabe

[flat pebble]

(they’re ok with it)

[junior needle]

I'm not seeing any recon buffs in these patch notes

[flat pebble]

also afaik krieg on an aesthetic level is both a mix of french and german uniforms

[devout atlas]

I was subtly referring to 40k fans that are really weird and fashy not realizing that 40k is directly criticising that style of thought

[strange crow]

It's not that it's a bad thing, it's that they go on to make erroneous claims about the lore like Krieg loving to walk over minefields and hit charge with shovels

[last pewter]

how about an old funny picture, will you accept that as payment

[merry gale]

France

[cursive coral]

Aren’t Krieg outfits just based on a combination of WW1 uniforms?

[strange crow]

I still find a surprising number of Krieg fans who think their aesthetic is German rather than French

[flat pebble]

however the word krieg is obvious

[merry gale]

yes they are

the greatcoat is french

[nimble sentinel]

common wehraboo L

[strange crow]

I have met many Wehraboo/Kaiserboo krieg fans lol

[south garnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1176690896826282035/image.png

[last pewter]

payment

[strange crow]

Same w helmet, puttees, backpack, and other smaller details

[merry gale]

the trousers are french too

yeah ik

[stone birch]

new vet tree allows me to get bring it down AND the left hand keystone now. objective buff.

[south garnet]

Payment received, acknowledged

[merry gale]

they're more french based than german

[tame lichen]

Anyone else not able to charge PS without gaurding

[merry gale]

german basically just the helm

[flat pebble]

and the name

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/recibo-receipt-roll-paper-gif-14532429

[flat pebble]

and very obviously the name krieg is directly german

[languid rose]

This is true, lots of people only watch meme videos and believe that's the actual lore

[merry gale]

and even then, the little ornament on top of the helm is french

[flat pebble]

kinda feel like that shouldn’t be overstated

[serene sage]

It's clearly inspired by Borderlands 2 DLC wdym

[merry gale]

the adrian helmet had this little thing on top

[mystic belfry]

Is 40k lore even real 40k lore

[strange crow]

I mean in 3e they started out as German-inspired (especially with their tanks being called "panzers" in Imerial Armour) but nowadays they're more French

[acoustic wyvern]

the new chainsaw also fucks

[nimble sentinel]

Krieg named Finger

oh NOW chat slows down, huh?

[merry gale]

and the more the better, french ww1 uniform fucks

[flat pebble]

no

[south garnet]

It's not like the fashion designer responsible for the inspiration went on to do anything else noteworthy so what are you worried about

[strange crow]

The crest/chimney! 😍

[slim ocean]

How is the new chainsword?

[flat pebble]

one of the chainswords of all time, apparently

[slim ocean]

Wow I'm quiting my job rn just to go home and test it. Thanks

[south garnet]

Based

[strange crow]

I don't get this reference, do u mind explaining 😅

[south garnet]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss_(businessman)

[strange crow]

Oh lmao I thought u meant the GW employee who made Krieg

[nimble sentinel]

aight so are the new shovels worth fucking with over the old?

[stone birch]

new vet tree is absurdly good. the squishing of it allows me to get more goodies on both my VoC and helbore marksman builds. Bring it down + the left keystone, or 5% crit chance and the revive speed boost(my choice), and VoC has room for multi buffed mark targets and the revive buff again. So good.

[slim ocean]

Imagine being a fashion designer in 40k, must be a sick gig.

[flat pebble]

have to live in britain

[nimble sentinel]

I HAVE A FEVER, AND THE ONLY PRESCRIPTION, IS BIGGER SHOULDERS

[cursive coral]

Me added 37 gold-plated skulls to a greatcoat.
(I make trillions off of it.)

[strange crow]

But Wesley I'm disappointed, as a fellow history enthusiast you should know Krieg fashion is very WW1 French!

[devout atlas]

zealotcucks seethe at the sight of our thundershovel

[flat pebble]

calling them that like a zealot would care

[karmic musk]

Bruh does the Special Heavy on the new Chainsword have to take so long? You are just stuck there sawing forever

[slim ocean]

I wonder if that ogryn is in the back sewing our threads on the morningstar or maybe we just have a tech priest washing dead guardsman uniforms in the back somewhere.

[nimble sentinel]

which shovel is the best pls someone answer me azrael blocked me when I called him out for shitty math

[karmic musk]

Old Shovel

[cursive coral]

Can’t I just run a shovel on my Krieg veteran because I find whacking demons from the unfathomable void with a shovel is funny?

[devout atlas]

Mk3 goes insanely hard rn. Old shovel still good with best horde-control/clear

[flat pebble]

wait rly lmao

[frank ether]

lmao

[karmic musk]

MK 7 Shovel is good too, not sure why everyone here is shitting on it?

[slim ocean]

Too bad mk3 bayonet sucks ogryn tits

[frank ether]

how about the new knife

is it any good

[strange crow]

I just looked up Azrael there's like 5 on the server lol

[devout atlas]

the fuck are you talking about

[nimble sentinel]

all his math was based on psykhanium, told me he had a video in live, asked for it cause I found nothing but psykhanium in his chat history, blocked

[devout atlas]

we're talking about SHOVELS

[nimble sentinel]

dude can only cook in theory

[frank ether]

It works well with brutal momentum on your melee

[slim ocean]

Sorry ogryn brain

[frank ether]

if you're talking about helbores

[stone birch]

so between having Rending Hits, Hand Cannon 3, and a near-maxed(79%) penetration on my Zarona revolver, I still think I hit 100% rending on a follow up crit hit.

[devout atlas]

its okay i forgive you kitten

[odd pollen]

Minecraft shovel do be pretty good

one hitting a cursher

[flat pebble]

if you spell azreal the right way you might have better luck

[devout atlas]

I think you prob dont need Uncanny on Mk3 so shit like Scrusher might be good

[spark helm]

All you gotta do is keep greasing the wheel. Can't be that hard in my mind aside from the actual development for those skills.

[strange crow]

That would make sense 💀

[nimble sentinel]

imma let him correct me himself

[karmic musk]

You def need Decimator on Mk3 because that Light Attack is hot garbage

[south garnet]

absolutely and fair point, though it's worth noting Hugo's designs did not occur in a vacuum either and are based on a collection of their own inspirational materials. My wife owned a costume shop and designed her own for a while and has a bunch of antique fashion books that go into all sorts of trends at length, although I personally couldn't say which thing is from where. Way too complex a history for me ironically

[flat pebble]

i have no horse in this race but that all sounded funny to me

blocks are so random in this discord

[nimble sentinel]

yeh shits weird lol

[strange crow]

Haha yeah Eastern Roman military formations are much more interesting anyways!

[hollow turtle]

I mean. Thanks Fatshark. I still don't need the keystones for my build so I'm going to abuse infil and tact awareness.

[south garnet]

I will say the technology of WW1 in particular the logistical elements are far more interesting to me than ww2

[karmic musk]

Alright not going without Savage Sweep on Mk XIIIg Chainsword, feels awful without it

[strange crow]

Agreed, I've been much more of a WW1 fan than WW2 fan since my years as a young jit

[tulip zenith]

should I get this

[junior hearth]

new revolver build please

[karmic musk]

Where are all these revolver zoomers coming from

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[slim ocean]

Gosh dang I wish bolter was better than revolver rn

[nimble sentinel]

I like the leagle

[pine snow]

Helmet and Gas mask is german, greatcoat seems french, bayonet seems British to me

[spark helm]

Revolvers been popular as a weapon archetype :V

[stone birch]

yep, just tested. still hitting the same numbers on my revolver as pre-update. HandCannon3 + Rending Strikes + Max penetration on a zarona stub revolver still hits 100% rending

[atomic zephyr]

im itching to get my hands on the new laspistol

[slow garden]

Revolver has been very popular for long time

[atomic zephyr]

i didnt really like the old one cause of firerate

[south garnet]

How's the dps on THIS FARTS LOUDLY

[karmic musk]

Btw that ranged Twin doesn't go into melee

Blasting you at point blank lmao

[slim ocean]

New laspistol looks great. Can't wait to try it on my Sergeant build

[mystic belfry]

Smoke nades don’t do dps, but they have decent utility

[stone birch]

waitwaitwait, you mean SOMEBODY in 40k realized that the best melee weapon is also gun?

[obtuse raft]

Been studying the tactics of our "elite" strike teams

[strange crow]

Gas mask is very much SBR imo, but what makes u think it's German? The skirt of the helmet is def remniscient of the stahlhelm, but the overall proportions, alongside the chimney, are very Adrian-esque

[south garnet]

If they don't put out fire they should at least stun or otherwise debuff enemies like mustard gas

[stone birch]

this is the part where you remember that 40k fashion design is an amalgam of historical and fantasy inspirations.

[alpine bear]

Me who just uses the bayonet on my lucius

[south garnet]

(Game mustard gas not real mustard gas)

[tall sleet]

what perks do you guys go for on plasma gun?

[spark helm]

It's still funny going through the intro cinematic after escaping with Zola.

The imperium, without the fancy music just reminds me of a televangelist scam infomercial. 40k funny.

"WHO AM I?"
dude who has been charged with dereliction because he was actually chickenshit in some petty shootout but was talking that shit in training

"I AM A WARRIOR"

[mystic belfry]

Real mustard gas with friendly fire

[south garnet]

Anyone without a mask cosmetic btfo

[acoustic bloom]

what I'm currently running on mine, still testing

[hollow turtle]

We talking about the Krieg inspiration?

[strange crow]

Yeah I mean what's wrong with debating what those inspirations are tho?

[devout atlas]

woah I just got scrusher on my mk3 and lights are suddenly goated

[nimble sentinel]

aight so what are the must haves for a melee and/or weapons specialist build, talent tree wise?

[crisp bronze]

Just finished a standard heresy mission with the buffed Graia Mk4 Braced Auto. Can confirm it feels pretty good now. It's kind of like the Columnus Mk5 but with the trade off of more ammo but no ADS and a Bash instead of a Flashlight. I like it.

[junior hearth]

thank you

[stone birch]

WHAT?! dreg ragers nerfed by 400 HP on damnation?!

[acoustic wyvern]

the new chainsword is really a good contender for powersword

[stone birch]

I musta missed that

[hollow turtle]

Lol they nerfed the rager? XD

[candid tundra]

Personally would sub Longshot for 30% weakpoint

[stone birch]

my numbies in the meat grinder say they have 2000 HP, dreg and scab

[hollow turtle]

How does it play? More CC?

[proper delta]

are either of the new shovels better than old shovel?

[acoustic bloom]

that's what I thought at first too, but it's honestly kinda hard to hit weakpots with the fan

[nimble sentinel]

thoughts?

[acoustic wyvern]

light horde clear

light attack*

[karmic musk]

Is Raking Fire good on Laspistol

[crisp bronze]

They reduced ragers base hp from 1200 to 1000. Damnation doubles enemy hp so they went from 2400 to 2000.

[candid tundra]

Fair, I've yet to try the fan yet (not home) but 30% weak point applies to melee too

Helps breakpoints

[karmic musk]

If you need a anti-armor melee, its better

[candid tundra]

And you'll be more close up with fan too

[slim ocean]

Good news!

[karmic musk]

If you need control, its worse

[stone birch]

I must of missed that in the patch notes. Still, a welcome change since they have a tendency to swarm you in packs of 12-20

[flint lake]

What weapons?

[celest vine]

Supression immunity is baller

[spark helm]

Looks fine on paper to me. What weapons are you using for it?

[nimble sentinel]

new las pistol and old dagger

[celest vine]

Id try to sneak it in

[nimble sentinel]

^

[inner drift]

I think wrath is better on this one actually

[karmic musk]

Another gun build with no Exe Stance, classic

[spark helm]

Yeah that should be fine probably.

[nimble sentinel]

I am zhe spy

[celest vine]

Could swap out shock trooper for suppression @nimble sentinel

[inner drift]

you can't proc rampage or SS on bruisers without something cursed like light light light heavy

because your lights hit 2 bruisers only

[celest vine]

Would help you hit some important targets

[brisk sedge]

is exhil takedown fixed

[tall torrent]

Has anyone managed to kill any of the twins yet

[inner drift]

wrath gets you rampage just with 3 light i think

[crisp bronze]

I think quite a few missed that because it was only 1 or 2 lines above the enemy fire changes. But yeah ragers lost 1/6 of their hp.

[halcyon zephyr]

ooh that's a good one

[brisk sedge]

yer

[karmic musk]

Got it

[spark helm]

Been since previous patch

[celest vine]

Its garbage

[hollow turtle]

I completely forgot about the twins.

[celest vine]

[hollow turtle]

So they're like a new field boss?

[tall torrent]

Nice

[karmic musk]

Fake enthusiast

[stone birch]

stupid question but worth asking I feel; I assume that the new revolver pulls from the same blessing pool as the old revolver?

[nimble sentinel]

I got stealth for that, and I'm not running any other ammo regen on this build

[brisk sedge]

they dont take any stagger its annoying

the twins

harder thn ass boss

[hollow turtle]

Ah, so its like fighting two captains?

[karmic musk]

Get gassed, nerd

[pine snow]

I can def see where u think it’s very sbr-esque but i think for me it seems more of a mix between an sbr with the tube and a gm17 shape wise @strange crow

[stone birch]

I am slightly concerned that ragers may be too squishy now, but only a little.

[karmic musk]

supa corruption damage

[brisk sedge]

its way harder than captain

taht shit takes 0 stagger lol

speedy as heck

captain is meme

[karmic musk]

Blasts you with Plasma point blank

[celest vine]

Me when thunder hammer

[karmic musk]

So the third map is going to be vs these 2 together

Doubt Wolfer is dying anytime soon

Game needs its main villain alive

[celest vine]

Theres a third map?

[wet moon]

ballin

[karmic musk]

3rd map for this tileset

[marsh condor]

At least they don't have shields.

[wet moon]

skullcrusher actually feels...really good on this?

[karmic musk]

Is that Mk3?

[wet moon]

never thought id say it

yeah

[karmic musk]

Not really, since it doesnt stagger as well

I prefer Decimator cuz those lights are pathetic at control

[marsh condor]

I am definitely not a Zealot cosplaying as a Veteran.

[wet moon]

heavy spikes?

[flint lake]

I think you’d get more value from dropping the sub keystones for agile fighter and the 10% melee damage. Ain’t nothing wrong with hitting up the left tree for that ammo but consider building an alternative to account for having another vet in the group who’s taking group wide ammo regen.

[karmic musk]

I meant crowd control, heavies on Mk3 are strikedowns

And you might as well go for Azreal's combo to one shot stuff if you focusing on that

[wet moon]

yeah but the lights stagger shitter melee enemies enough dont they?

[karmic musk]

nah its bad

[nimble sentinel]

what if I take agile by going smokes?

[karmic musk]

Heavy attacks on old shovel work better in that

[sand oracle]

Hey, anyone know what they did with the combat ability CD talent?

Because I can't seem to find it anymore.

Removed from the pruning?

[wet moon]

you dont mean that Purifier Azrael guy right

[idle pecan]

is this good

[sand oracle]

Thanks.

[karmic musk]

purifier wut

[wet moon]

good, nvm. really gross twitter grey knight larper

[trim hemlock]

Thunderous doesn't serve much purpose of Caxes, no? I.e., would I be better off with Shred?

[wet moon]

what's azrael's combo for Mk3 shovel?

[karmic musk]

Take a Swing + Limbsplitter + Maniac iirc

Not sure what the 2nd perk is

Maybe Carapace

[hollow turtle]

That Carapace perk might be useless. Overall decent but not great modifiers. That decimator is good.

[wet moon]

that doesnt sound worth it at all tbh

[karmic musk]

One shot crushers/ragers/maulers tho

one shot rager with push attack special

[wet moon]

it already oneshots ragers and maulers like this tho

[gray finch]

range vet is back

[idle carbon]

what's the consensus on the new vet shovels?
the mk7 has the same heavy spam as the regular shovel, and activated lights go straight into the single target strikedowns (without sticking/ripping)
the mk3 is a bit worse for horde control, but the activated heavy goes straight into the heavy strikedown for some good single target damage

[karmic musk]

Mk7 i feel is more versatile

Mk3 is def strikedown focused

[zealous wyvern]

thank you for this

[karmic musk]

It never left tho

[zealous wyvern]

range vet left the fire team

[idle carbon]

marksmans focus vet with the MG4 lasgun can kick some ass

[nimble sentinel]

My brother in He on Terra I've been here the whole time

[zealous wyvern]

i hate how they massacred executioner stance period. noone will convince me otherwise

[hollow turtle]

How dare thee forsake us range vets

[zealous wyvern]

i still play it though

[wet moon]

true but the mk7 kinda sucks doodoo for crushers

[idle carbon]

first-class boop that is

[hollow turtle]

That Mk II Helbore with onslaught shoots faster than a Lasgun IA and its hilarious when aiming head level into a horde. Might be able to take advantage of Marksman Focus with it.

[fading grove]

Is the penance For The Emperor bugged? It says I need to complete Long Bomb and Marked For Death. But I've completed both of these

[idle carbon]

does the mk3 at least stagger crushers on activated lights?

[devout atlas]

omg

also yes it does

dawg

scrusher might be meta on mk3...

[wet moon]

not that ive seen, no

[devout atlas]

mine does?

but i have cara

[tardy turtle]

I have room in my plasma build for deadshot now....

[idle carbon]

oh woops, mk7 I mean

[wet moon]

bc limbsplitter kinda hurts

[tardy turtle]

Worth?

[devout atlas]

cara power also means more stagger so

[hollow turtle]

Oh wow. A shovel that can kill a Crusher.

[wet moon]

doesnt work

[tulip zenith]

the other twin that shoots just wiped my party on damnation

[tardy turtle]

mkay

[tulip zenith]

we fought him on a bridge and his fire nades were just too much

[hollow turtle]

Can't wait to get Eiffel tower'd by the twins.

[zealous wyvern]

he means the bossfight

[near sable]

[tulip zenith]

I found sword guy easy tbh, just block

[zealous wyvern]

sword woman apparently going by voice

had a feeling one is a girl

[wet moon]

rn it's uncanny/skullcrusher. would decimator pick up the slack from limbsplitter?

[humble nova]

She gets dumpstered by the new revolver mag dump

[humble nova]

Moves fast, but not often enough

[tulip zenith]

gun guy is very vulnerable to all damage builds though, cuz he barely moves around

[wet moon]

so what should be taken to improve the mk3's horde management and compensate for limbsplitter?

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-gifs-mass-effect1-saren-mass-effect-saren-arterius-mass-effect-saren-gif-27646586

[humble nova]

We got him mid-horde my first time thirty seconds into my first run of the new map lol

It was not that easy

[flint lake]

How about Take A Swing?

[bright cliff]

holy shit dude FATSHARK LISTENS

[flint lake]

Yeah

[tardy turtle]

We are so back

[bright cliff]

necessary sacrifices

[wanton dawn]

I just got instakilled by flame as well

[gloomy kestrel]

Is the patch out?

[quasi socket]

ye

[karmic musk]

@formal lake Is Horde combo on MK3 now H1 -> L2 repeat then?

[gloomy kestrel]

Nice

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/krieg-warhammer-kill-team-40k-gif-24114202

[wet moon]

finesse scaling on shovel isnt very good tho

[forest blaze]

new chaxe works well. agile engagement lets you one shot crushers in damnation without perks or blessings.

[slim ocean]

Happy to see flame actually scary now.

[hollow turtle]

It's always been scary

[idle carbon]

alright, so mk7 activated heavies do stagger crushers
not quite as convenient as the regular shovel special bap, but it can work
staggering ragers is a bit inconsistent, I think I need a better shovel to test with

[hollow turtle]

You don't know scary until 3 tox flamers have you cornered in a horde and all you see is Skaven levels of fire.

[forest blaze]

hahaha yah... now your toughness AND health melt instantly

[bright cliff]

so now that they fixed just about every gameplay issue I had what are we moving on to complain about now

I need to be in the know

[raw steppe]

u can complain about flamer/bomber fire

doing damage

[slim ocean]

True, tox flamers have always been scary. Never had an issue with regular flamers though in auric

[tardy turtle]

https://gyazo.com/ee92f7065b1b43da81d1781c12f5d746
Take a swing good on the regular shovel? Was wondering if I should keep.

[raw steppe]

that's what reddit is complaining about now

the fact that the fire now does damage to health

[devout atlas]

mk3 with scrusher alone has actually decent hordeclear on light spam wtf. once i put decimator on this thing its gonna be insane

[bright cliff]

I will NEVER be satisfied until the enemies do ZERO damage and I get all my loot for FREE

[forest blaze]

My only complaint about fire right now is that bad fire looks the exact same as zealot good fire.

[idle carbon]

heh, something neat fatshark thought of, but your blocking stance changes when you have your shovel activated

[hollow turtle]

I feel like its almost a personal responsibility as a ranged vet to kill the flamers and bombers before they even get close.

[forest blaze]

100%. All flamers and bombers moved up to the top of the prio.

[slender turtle]

Zealot's fire is made of gold though and smaller and not threatening looking

[devout atlas]

there is a mod for that if u dont mind

[terse idol]

Flamer that walked outside a door spawn

[forest blaze]

Yah I don't use mods

[frank ether]

hows the new knife

[wet moon]

does pushing not activate skullcrusher?

[wet moon]

fun but has the old dmg profile which is sad. spamming PA for single target is fun tho

[sudden dome]

only heard bad things but Im a sword guy

[hollow turtle]

People that stand next to the door when they hear the audible poxburster ticking.

[spark helm]

Could use colorblind settings if that's the problem.

[forest blaze]

I was gonna say I can't see the difference between good and bad fire currently. Gold. Yellow. Red. It's all the same.

[icy raven]

[forest blaze]

pog

[halcyon zephyr]

beware the men of red and gold

[idle carbon]

hm, one thing I don't like about the mk3 shovel is the push attack is a sweep, unlike the other two
I prefer the strikedown, but that's more subjective I suppose

[icy raven]

Thought low pen would be bad but it slaps p hard

[forest blaze]

oh gawd they all look the same

[spark helm]

Check a summary of different forms of colorblindness. Iirc it's usually categorized by color combo spectrums.

There's one aimed at warm blended colors like that

[devout atlas]

oh god with scrusher + carapace mk3 can reliably two tap crushers and maulers with two heavies

hehehehe eh :DDDDD

[forest blaze]

❤️

[wet moon]

limbsplitter can make 1 shot them but debating whether it's worth having that blessing

[dusty trench]

does covering fire work yet?

[karmic musk]

Thanks Hadron

[dusty trench]

i seem to remember it being bugged

[devout atlas]

NICE

[tight dragon]

any IAG users?

[idle carbon]

jeez, did you pay off hadron or smth

[wet moon]

so what about LMBsplitter + Scrusher? get the best of both worlds that way

[spark helm]

I'm a terrible student as i am now but this source isn't bad from the region where my search steered me.

Will need to study simple shit again.

https://www.nei.nih.gov/learn-about-eye-health/eye-conditions-and-diseases/color-blindness/types-color-vision-deficiency

[devout atlas]

that's pretty sick but my one rolled scrusher and scrusher alone seems to have made the lights do incredibly well on hordeclear. went from a weapon that has terrible anti-horde to being already matched/better than the og shovel

[raw steppe]

theoretically take a swing is only about 15% more damage or so no? due to the shovel's shitty finesse

[devout atlas]

I might so scrusher + decimator to make it horde deletus

[halcyon zephyr]

She's known to be bribed.

[halcyon zephyr]

Also yeah the game has absolutely dogshit accessibility.

[karmic musk]

Try H1 -> L2 combo on horde, maybe its better

[pastel mason]

Even after the update, i still cant reach any keystones

[wet moon]

decimator seems kinda eh on this. LMBsplitter + Scrusher may be the way to go since you can proc Scrusher on hordes with a push

[devout atlas]

without scrusher it is, with it it isn't as the H1 has about the same cleave as lights weirdly

but maybe with decimator?

I still use H1 against ragers to put them off balance though

good for rager control

[devout atlas]

mine rolled Carapace + Scrusher by default so I can experiment :P

[formal hamlet]

Any tips for completing the "make every shot count" penance for Veteran?

[wet moon]

right abt Skull + LMB? or Skull + decimator?

[spark helm]

Idk how accessibility features are improved on and implemented but I certainly did notice it. At least for those kinds of features.

Destiny 2, if you bear with me, to my awareness, is an example of a hella popular game that from what I've heard has some very well polished ones for sensory impairments

[devout atlas]

Skull is DEFO best

its insane how much it changed the weapon tbh

[wet moon]

[minor brook]

i feel so squishy now is exhilarating takedown bugged again?

[tacit hearth]

Alright nerds, whats cracking with the new tree buildup

[devout atlas]

Imma try decimator first because its good enough single-target for me rn and the horde-clear on a weapon specialist build might be insane with this lmao

[frank ether]

uncanny limbsplitter?

[karmic musk]

What stats on shovel?

[halcyon zephyr]

first off, how dare you

[tacit hearth]

You know im right

[wet moon]

uncanny/skull?

[tacit hearth]

[devout atlas]

uncanny doesnt seem that good on the new shovel ngl

[spark helm]

What tier of blessings are being shown off?

[devout atlas]

scrusher defo meta on it tho

[south spindle]

With the new fire changes, mobility just became even more important than ever it would seem

[halcyon zephyr]

oh no not my power sword!

[frank ether]

so deci+skull then?

[gusty sonnet]

I can't play yet but I can already tell vet is OP

[devout atlas]

that will have better horde-clear although limb+skull can do insane shit too

[south spindle]

Whilst im not sure the fire changes are ideal, they certainly did passively nerf the PSword

[devout atlas]

Imma try deci+skull next but I can try both on mine because I am a lucky bastard

[trim steppe]

Get Back in the Fight even better than Catch a Breathe than before?

[wet moon]

would carapace give a oneshot on maulers, and would maniac give a oneshot on ragers?

[idle pecan]

what should i swap it for?

[halcyon zephyr]

That guy with the low mobility revolver is in pain

[frank ether]

I need to get a decent shovel first, I'm too broke

curious to try

[trim steppe]

The notes said that Born Leader got fixed, is it usable now? Anyone test?

[frank ether]

I got tons of 300 rating ones

[halcyon zephyr]

how does the fire feel?

[languid escarp]

did they fix deadshot not working with plasma?

[south spindle]

Well, stun has all but been removed on bomber nades, but yeah for flamers, certainly

[wet moon]

will be testing for oneshots on maulers and ragers with +cara and +maniac

[karmic musk]

I mean compared to the other two nodes? lol might as well use it

[devout atlas]

I am insanely lucky with shovels. first armory purchase was a godroll and it upgrade to have scrusher and carapace 💀

[frank ether]

the thing is I keep rolling deci+uncanny

[trim steppe]

For the emp aint TOO bad tho it aint too good either

[tranquil socket]

good I guess? wdym

[frank ether]

game refuses to give me other blessings

[flint lake]

Still a bad feat.

[minor brook]

guys im getting my toughness one shot now even with iron will

whats happening

[devout atlas]

mngnhnhn feet

[idle pecan]

whats a good perk for shovels

[wet moon]

death

[idle pecan]

like, damage type

[halcyon zephyr]

The 8% mobility revolver and the changes to bomber/flamer damage

[wet moon]

for mk3 +maniac and +carapace with skullcrush and uncanny might oneshot maulers and ragers

[trim steppe]

Can you elaborate? Just doesnt give enough toughness to be noticeable? Doesn't work at all?

[tranquil socket]

Didnt like how I have basically no range with the new revolver, didnt notice any changes to fire tbh

New map is cool though

[trim steppe]

I watched a vid this morning of a guy kill a beast of nurgle with 1 fan of the new revolver

[buoyant slate]

so how are the new pistols?

[south spindle]

Yeah, the guy above you

[halcyon zephyr]

damn homie I was shitposting about the hilarious roll from earlier and you went out of your way to give me a candid review. Thanks man.

[idle pecan]

what about standard issue

[south spindle]

What are you running on that btw?

[trim steppe]

Hello "guy" thank you

[south spindle]

Oh nice, first one i rolled got those, ideal

[pulsar shore]

standard issue is dead after new shovels change my mind

[idle pecan]

ah ok

is decimator good?

[karmic musk]

The first part is the big dmg tho

[rancid echo]

Are the new specials good

[snow pendant]

what blessing and perk besides the unyielding u got on the gun

[wet moon]

uuhhh carapace and flak/maniac i guess?

[south spindle]

I was sayin how good SC was the other week a lot of people were saying it was bad

Nice te be vidicated on that one

[idle pecan]

i have one of these

[karmic musk]

So Limbsplitter Shovel is over?

[idle pecan]

is that standard issue fine?

or should i try to get something else

cuz im currently using a really, really bad, power sword

that cleave targets 💀

[wet moon]

oughghh

[viscid sparrow]

is cadia chainsword still decent, or is the new shovel just better in every way?

[idle pecan]

so does brutal momentum do nothing then

[tight dragon]

guess i'll just run this on plasma, can probably do better

[buoyant slate]

so how's the new talent tree? any significant losses or what?

[proper delta]

is tagging keystone + mods worth it over other nodes?

[hard cave]

I'm trippin rn, does anyone know if the YouTube mister mugsy is a voice actor in darktide

or have i gasligjted myself

[trim steppe]

looks great to me, no losses just more options

[umbral scaffold]

Who the hell is mister mugsby

[elder vessel]

Ik i was right to grind out a God Roll Chain Axe

[idle pecan]

so is wrath + brutal momentum really good?

[elder vessel]

The buff list is so loooong

[hard cave]

darktide and rimworld content creator

[junior needle]

What weapon has both?

[idle pecan]

power sword

[junior needle]

NO

[umbral scaffold]

[tight dragon]

powercycler is mandatory on PS

[junior needle]

You want cycler and brudal or sunder

[viscid sparrow]

I use tagging keystone, and its decent.

in my opinion, its better than the "stay completely still to gain extra Headshot damage" keystone by a large amount for general use

[light mantle]

My Veteran skill tree keeps resetting to 0 points used when I tab away from it

Oh wait, it's just cosmetic

[umbral scaffold]

Was already a bug before the update. Just exit the menu entirely

[feral stratus]

How are the new shovels?

I need to know

[light mantle]

Yeee that fixed it

[hollow turtle]

Honestly, the fact there's a rending passive in the tagging keystone tree makes the rending in marksman focus a little undesirable.

[halcyon zephyr]

I have this power sword in my inventory and it sits unused

[viscid sparrow]

from what I hear, they're very good (I have yet to get one, have been too busy with getting a blessing to pair with Fire Frenzy on a Columnus mk5 IAG)

[wanton dawn]

Alright, after my first game this patch I have to say

plasma eat REALLY good

And bomber resist is meta

[tight dragon]

think i'll just go flak/unarmored on plasma at this point

i can't hit maniac breakpoint anymore

[sand oracle]

What did they do to bombers?

[wet moon]

uncanny is still free dmg on basically every enemy

[sand oracle]

Karnak twins?

[halcyon zephyr]

you're gonna be in a burning ring of fire

[wanton dawn]

Well, instead of deleting your thoughness, it deletes your healthbar

[pale tree]

what is the best melee weapon for vet rn? more focused for hard targets but still good in hordes

[karmic musk]

I'm just sticking to my Flak/Maniac Uncanny Skull Shovel

[proper delta]

looks like one of the new shovels can do horizontal sweep heavies, is the flip down alt fire move better than default shovel stagger alt do you think?

[wanton dawn]

Also I got one of the twins on my game

[still flare]

I'm behind on shovel science. Skullcrusher is nice on it?

[viscid sparrow]

which of the two new shovels is the best one, actually?

[oblique horizon]

Melee twin is kinda cool and very agressive from what ive seen

[still flare]

Same. The gas grenades were cool

[idle carbon]

most people like the mk3 shovel since you can 1-tap crushers

[wanton dawn]

Got the ranged one. Did not felt super threatening

[oblique horizon]

Pretty sure the redacted stuff is assassination mission for them

[spark helm]

Oh. Ohoho...this new talent.

Aha.

[sand oracle]

I just looked into the bomber changes

[wanton dawn]

Also could not see it super well cuz we had dog event and mutie event at the same time

[spark helm]

heehee...

[trim steppe]

whats your build?

[sand oracle]

I /really/ like what they did to bombers tbh

[spark helm]

hahah...good

[sand oracle]

Because now you kinda can deal with them - if you're fast.

[oblique horizon]

Also I just noticed this in patchnotes:
Increased the health modifier for Monstrous Specialists in Maelstrom missions from 25% to 40%.
HUH

[sand oracle]

before it was just annoying, now they're dangerous but .... Fairish?

[halcyon zephyr]

watch a clip of standing in a bomber nade

[sand oracle]

Watch a clip? I'm in testing grounds with them right now.

[tight dragon]

you better stack bomber resist

[halcyon zephyr]

they're much better now for sure.

[sand oracle]

Yep.

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083290680333439037.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[sand oracle]

I still might keep gunner resist because it's really rare I get bogged down by bombers but

[jovial fog]

About new shovels? III or VII?

[past knot]

Wat you put on new revolver? Same old crit?

[sand oracle]

I'm probably gonna get one or two bomber resist in time

[spark helm]

The infiltrate setups are going crazy for me rn

I'm fucking LOVING THIS SHIT

YEAAAAAAAAAAAH

[wet moon]

is that carapace + uncanny? can push taht over with focus target / For the Emperor

[pastel mason]

Not gonna lie, i would queue dodge if i saw that on my team

[wanton dawn]

Not gonna lie, I would not care

[nimble sentinel]

lord forgive me for what I'm boutta do in the psykhanium

[warm idol]

you dodge queue when you see a popular build?

damn

I feel sorry for ya

[viral nacelle]

Every vet I see is the same 3 major things: scavenger, shout, krak. They really need to do something to make other choices viable

[wanton dawn]

I mean, what I am supposed to answer to that ?

[pastel mason]

Dont shill for him. Thats 0% meta. Its some sort of hybrid support

[trim steppe]

shredder nades are amazing, if you have another way to deal with carapace

[sand oracle]

I run shredder because point tax hurti.

[viral nacelle]

Yeah why would I want free ammo 😂

[karmic musk]

Those new anti armor weapons would make reliance on Krak lesser maybe

[warm idol]

muh meta

[sand oracle]

I run scav for other people.

[warm idol]

touch grass

[forest blaze]

literally trolling

[pastel mason]

You brought it up? https://i.imgur.com/DFdLE3s.png

[warm idol]

because it is a popular build

[halcyon zephyr]

ooh people are maad on the internet

[warm idol]

voc plasma is like

[sand oracle]

That is kind of a popular build.

[warm idol]

50% of vets

[pastel mason]

Its not meta. Its hybrid and all over the place.

[still flare]

I think shredder is perfectly fine over krak

[sand oracle]

I am not gonna let my boys die lmao.

That's cringe.

[warm idol]

with plasma I feel like kraks are redundant anyway

[halcyon zephyr]

Maybe I don't understand this post, but don't vet builds use ammo?

[sand oracle]

Leave no man behind.

[warm idol]

frags have more utility

[wanton dawn]

Imagine dodging me for playing a non-meta build when I was playing bayonet all prior patch

[sand oracle]

^ Agreed

[wanton dawn]

Also imagine teaching me how to play plasma

[sand oracle]

I like frags when taking weapons that already shit on bosses and ogryn

[wet moon]

would max dmg + pen +first target with carapace and uncanny do the trick?

[still flare]

Feels bad to toss a krak and have them die before it explodes

[visual orbit]

Frags better at giving space

[pastel mason]

Admitting to building ranged suppression with plasma. Proof his build is all over the place.

[flint lake]

They’re the best for all-rounders. If you wanna see more variety, you’ll need to find a group that you can coordinate with to cover the shortcomings of more singularly focused roles.

[wanton dawn]

I don't have ranged suppression though ?

the f are you talking about

[trim steppe]

I'd be glad if he dodged me in queue, doin us a favor lol

[halcyon zephyr]

imagine dodging because a hit is coming in but dodging into a poxwalker a teammate just watched walk up to you slowly and dying in one hit

[pastel mason]

My bad, looked at the other kid's build

[nimble sentinel]

yep still a bit shit

[karmic musk]

why is this its own node 💀

[still flare]

Yeah in QP you have to prepare for the very real possibility that you're going to have to be self-sufficient lol

[trim steppe]

Imagine showing up new to this forum and telling people who have all been theory crafting for literal months what the meta is and how to play

[sand oracle]

I dig it, but muh tags.

[warm idol]

because fatshark hates exec

[trim steppe]

dude fr, its nuts

[halcyon zephyr]

don't you dare jinx it. the monkey paw was already used

[sand oracle]

Ofc I use power sword still. I assume this is a shovel build?

[warm idol]

highlighting ogryns should be default as well

[untold mulch]

Get taxed

[midnight mortar]

Power tax. :)

[halcyon zephyr]

We traded a perk point for highlighting scab shooters stalkers

[sand oracle]

^ The ability to highlight stalkers is /SO/ nice.

[elder vessel]

This statement is correct btw

[flat pebble]

agreed

[midnight mortar]

I'm wondering what that tester meant when he said he was pretty sure there'd be a recon build ex-recon users would like with this patch.

[flat pebble]

well the patch released now so you could just ask

[wanton dawn]

Well at least I am glad that you would not dodge me then

[midnight mortar]

Been trying to look up his name, can't remember.

[pastel mason]

I didnt say that Lol

[sand oracle]

I find it hard to give plasma gunners a chance most days, because most of them forget that uh... This game has melee.

and end up dying multiple times a match

[hollow turtle]

Always a bad idea to tell people something good will happen with a specific build before the release.

[sand oracle]

But that's a lot of people, and I just notice it with weapons like plasma

[karmic musk]

@crude wind

[wanton dawn]

You kinda did

[midnight mortar]

Is this with that build you linked above?

[wanton dawn]

Well, or you say that you would dodge me still. Which I can respect

[sand oracle]

He meant the implication he wouldn't still dodge you.

[halcyon zephyr]

If the pre-patch notes state that helbores will vendor for a base of 10,000 ordos it would be the best thing to happen to helbore builds and I would gladly tell everyone in advance

[untold mulch]

It still eats way too much ammo

wtf

[midnight mortar]

Man... I was really hoping there'd be a decent one shot capable setup.

[wanton dawn]

Eh, we take the victory we can get I guess

[midnight mortar]

That didn't require gymnastics on the talent tree.

[karmic musk]

Maybe he just meant you could get your rending nodes easier now for Recon lol

[pastel mason]

I would queue dodge if i saw your talent tree. Is what I meant. I wasnt taking back what i said because i looked at the ranged suppression from the other build by accident.

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

[devout atlas]

goodbye godspade 1... hello godspade 2

[untold mulch]

with all rending, i can see the Recon being usable

but like as always

tje type of

why tf you using it?

[devout atlas]

recon would be usable if every other gun got deleted from the game

[untold mulch]

EXACTLY

[flat pebble]

this guy really wants to make sure you understand the degree to which wouldn’t want to play with you (you never wanted to play with him to begin with)

[wanton dawn]

My bad, I though you were less of a jackass

[halcyon zephyr]

Knife would be meta

[karmic musk]

Because the skill build has an bullet icon and since I'm Vet I use laser

[junior needle]

That's with a fully stacked ROF boost from weapon spec too

[pastel mason]

He responded to it 4 times? Should i not clarify myself?

[untold mulch]

[sand oracle]

The things recon lasgun are meant to be good at are just bad. The gun itself is poorly designed, and it will never be BOTH good and balanced.

[flat pebble]

too true someone ping a CM this is good

[nimble sentinel]

higher crit chance, more damage, SHOULD BE more procs of shocktrooper

[sand oracle]

For a rapid fire gun to be good in a game like this, it needs to be fire rate and damage at the cost of things like accuracy and mobility.

Recon has accuracy and fire rate, trading damage.

Which is good for like... Hordes. Why are you shooting hordes?

[karmic musk]

Columnus IAG looking guilty right now

[nimble sentinel]

feel free to download that vid for your response package lol

[untold mulch]

I would use Recon if it had BETTER ammo economy

[sand oracle]

EXACTLY

[nimble sentinel]

full permissions to remind people not to take recons

[sand oracle]

IAG and the BAG are great

[flat pebble]

imo for a gun like the recon lasgun to be good it needed to be self-contained good, like the original revolver

[hollow turtle]

Lol them Columnus users.

[untold mulch]

I am okay with "underperforming" in fight to fight, and in exchange have a shit ton of ammo

[halcyon zephyr]

"I didn't say I'd kick YOUR dog, just that I kick dogs."

[flat pebble]

so they could keep the balance on a tight leash

[fast scaffold]

Plasma is still good, but I think im not gonna use it til they fix the bug where it sometimes doesn't fire (it still does damage but the animation/bullet doesn't come out)

[flat pebble]

it’s like half-in half-out with working with builds and being too OP with setup

or… was

[hollow turtle]

Would I rather have a columnus user or a revolver user?
||A revolver because they know how to aim.||

Their life depends on it.

[flat pebble]

trick question if they’re both bad they are ammo vacuums

[delicate moat]

next patch: Columnus Revolver Mk IX

[sand oracle]

Agreed. It feels almost like how Coghammer played

Or Executioner's sword

[karmic musk]

Don't quite like its horde clear

[flat pebble]

new evis feels nice for the 3 vets in here that also play zealot

i like that lightspam is smoothbrain horde clear now

[wet moon]

@formal lake how are you getting skull+uncanny to 2-combo the crushers? im not quite killing them. are you starting with uncanny stacks?

[hollow turtle]

I'll excuse the columnus or revolver vet so long as they're the ones using the survivalist aura. If they're expecting another to use it for them, get the heck off my team.

[flat pebble]

it’s only fair

[delicate moat]

but muh 5% dmg aura

[half ginkgo]

good to know, i started to notice that old Evis now sticks to hordes when it sweeps. taking a bit more dmg cuz of that than ideal

[sand oracle]

He's combining desperado and weak spot talents

[karmic musk]

Special Heavy -> H1 repeat 2x, I can get it with tier 3 blessings

[sand oracle]

Basically stacking headshot damage

and rending

[candid tundra]

Is penetration needed?

[half ginkgo]

yes

[trim steppe]

ye

[candid tundra]

shite

[languid escarp]

Why does the old laspistol says high capacity when it has roughly the same ammo as the new laspistol which says high damage

[karmic musk]

Old laspistol is scuffed thats why

[hollow turtle]

Red weapons when.

[wet moon]

oh okay ew. i will be sticking with what i got

[untold mulch]

Only reason would be that laspistol uses 2 shots when the new uses 3

[flat pebble]

i haven’t used the old one yet since the patch that sounds annoying

[untold mulch]

I personally disliked 3 feel

[half ginkgo]

but how bad the new caxe for hordes?

[junior needle]

There's nothing inherently wrong with the "design" of the line itself, insofar as automatic/lasgun/good stability is concerned. They just have egregiously shit numbers and need SUBSTANTIAL number buffs, as well as a blessing pool/blessing adjustment.

Doing 1/3-1/4 the body shot dps of IAG's (which are finesse weapons) to multiple damage types (and still less to flak but not as egregious) is just unacceptable.

[flat pebble]

lesser than the original chaxe but apparently still fine

[wanton dawn]

Welp, on that high note am gonna try my new acquired bomber resist

[half ginkgo]

so a good/decent weapon then

[wet moon]

regardless i can just

[flat pebble]

i think that’s so far what the consensus is

[sand oracle]

No, that /IS/ their problem. The IaG and all ballistics weapons do more damage against everything except flak and infested.

[trim steppe]

enjoy your -15% boot damage

[flat pebble]

but why would you wanna kill enemies faster idgi

[wanton dawn]

Also sorry for my antics, It is beneath me

[sand oracle]

Lasguns do more damage to flak, and infested.

[karmic musk]

Slow and short range

[sand oracle]

The combination of recon lasgun by design makes it terrible.

[junior needle]

Yes, I said that damage is the problem? The other things are not problems.

There's other guns with good stability

[sand oracle]

But that's the DESIGNED TRADEOFF?

[woven field]

by the emperor the mk3 shovel's special

[sand oracle]

Like - that's /what the gun is meant to be/

A low damage, highly accurate laser of a weapon

[karmic musk]

Just make it laser autogun

[flat pebble]

the graia iag does that too but does damage

[serene sage]

I guess we have a legit reason to mag dump hordes now

[sand oracle]

It already is, though.

Unless you mean braced autogun

We could use a las braced

[untold mulch]

thats for hellgun

[karmic musk]

I meant Columnus IAG but laser cuz we like pew pew better

[sand oracle]

We can only hope.

[rancid echo]

Isn't shop bloat like a huge issue now for veterans

[flat pebble]

how so

[untold mulch]

My only issue is that STILL NO FUCKING HELLGUN

[sand oracle]

No, that is what it is..... Autoguns do more damage, but have less accuracy. Lasguns do less DPS, but have much higher accuracy

[untold mulch]

[rancid echo]

List of weaps already so long and now there's more

[sand oracle]

That's how it's always been.

[trim steppe]

whats shop bloat?

[idle pecan]

is this good?

its what ive been using

[sand oracle]

That is the paradigm of the weapon classes ballistics / laser

[flat pebble]

idk you can just directly buy them from brunt’s

[half ginkgo]

sorta, i need a new bolter. so far I am grinding plastell and then i wonder how much to dump into brunt's. cuz i don't see bolters even bad ones

[trim steppe]

I mean, I like having legit choices

[wanton dawn]

I am a more annoyed by the fact that brunt shop is completely deorganised

[obtuse raft]

Million weapons and limited slots to roll them.
I definitely noticed it being a ton harder to find what I want after coming from ogryn.

[rancid echo]

But more specifically getting stuff in melks or decent greens and blues

[devout atlas]

okay can confirm decimator on mk3 makes it have hilariously good horde-clear with its lights

[sand oracle]

Is it a good thing? Not really, and I'm sure they're going to have to completely rethink how ballistics and laser weapons are to each other but like

[tardy turtle]

Shop bloat? nah, crafting just sucks

[devout atlas]

running scrusher+deci and its honestly kinda insane

[sand oracle]

As it stands now, recon lasgun just got hit with the worst combination of things as to how it's design.

It's poorly designed for a horde game like this.

[untold mulch]

This, Brunt shop needs an actual cleanup and reorganizing