veteran-class

[warm idol]

I can use the irons just fine but sights (as well as the other customisation options) make it drippier

[karmic musk]

Gaben tried that with Skyrim mods, it didnt end well

[ivory aurora]

I use MK1 but I prefer to have sights on it.

[umbral scaffold]

I dotn squint I casually click Q and I get optic sights

[teal abyss]

He did adapt, by modding sights that work for him lol

[umbral scaffold]

True

But that I say is a regression

[sudden dome]

No they could jsut say, heres this cool thin the community made were going to buy it, you make cool things you might get money too. There is always a way to make it a positive if you ignore the negative

[hard cave]

I would rather this be ingame stuff

[umbral scaffold]

In evolution

[forest maple]

Someone said once "work smarter , not harder"

[tall torrent]

I don’t use mods

[hard cave]

If only mtxs and weapon skins didn't ruin the possibility of actual weapon modding

[warm idol]

everyone would but it's better than nothing

[ivory aurora]

Same here. Maybe one day.

[humble nova]

Perception matters to the suits, and they make the decisions

[tiny igloo]

Most of the iron sights in the game are terrible. Honestly, even the revolver's would suck ass if the revolver didn't have the most forgiving bullet hitbox in the game. I swear that thing is like a 2ft diameter tunnel that prioritizes heads.

[umbral scaffold]

Bitches be complaining about iron sights when the site mods are like 10x more obstructive

[tiny summit]

I also think in the grim dark future in the 41st millennium where there is only war there should be a lot more options than iron sights.

[karmic musk]

What you get is modders doing the lowest quality stuff just to get the money

[umbral scaffold]

The only worst iron sites are the Auto guns

[karmic musk]

Or the community critizing the dev for being lazy

[forest maple]

Have you tried using the mod?

[umbral scaffold]

Everything in the game is clean

[eternal sable]

i am so happy

[umbral scaffold]

Yes and I’ve seen others it’s utter garbage

[karmic musk]

You trying to debate with a troll

[umbral scaffold]

A regression in brain usage

[sudden dome]

they arent paying for every mod jsut mods that are good enough to add to the base game, why would they add garbage

[forest maple]

Then why the hell do you have an opinion on it

[ivory aurora]

“You call this resisting arrest we call it a difficulty tweak “

[humble nova]

I mean the weapon customization mod adds nothing to the game, it just unlocks content that is already there lol

[rugged goblet]

"EmperorsFleshlight"

[umbral scaffold]

Why care

[sudden dome]

really? why isnt it released then thats dumb

[forest maple]

You are right, my bad.

[tall torrent]

Yea every weapon part in there is already in the game I’m pretty sure

[humble nova]

Short answer: Games Workshop protects lore hard

[karmic musk]

Because this isnt Call of Duty bruh

[umbral scaffold]

If anything we only got “graced” with reflex sight on our las guns cause it made sense lore wise

[tiny igloo]

This reminds me of that time the US Army (or was it the Marines) switched from iron sights to red dots on everything. Every single soldier hated it. Until they got it and actually used it. Then they refused to ever get rid of them.

[tiny summit]

Then explain my Necromunda Hired Gun and my picatinny rails?

[karmic musk]

Boomer mentality

[umbral scaffold]

If you want sites on your guns go play Gundam 40K

Make your merc

[tiny igloo]

Boomer

[umbral scaffold]

Have a dog to play with

And shoot stuff with a lmg with an acog scope

[sudden dome]

it reminds me of that time they added airburst grenades and everyone loved them but then they found out it was a war crime so they had to get rid of it and pretend it was a bad thing

[crude wind]

I am pretty convinced no one knows what a Boomer is at this point

[frank ether]

I think knife build is one exception where using brauto/iag to shoot chaff sometimes is ok lol

[forest maple]

Is the relatively large fellow from left 4 dead that pukes on you

[crude wind]

Damn hole in one

[forest maple]

I got insider info

[umbral scaffold]

Oh that’s the stupid zombie people know about cause valve is too much of a monopoly to even care for quality assurance for its customers

[tiny igloo]

In this context, it's someone advocating for objectively worse things because 'you don't need the fancy blah blah blah'

[ivory aurora]

It’s the fat exploading undead from L4D

[quick fossil]

Is columnus the only good infantry autogun? Are other Marks good?

[umbral scaffold]

It depends

[tiny summit]

I think shooting chaff with ammo can always be OK as long as you know how to save your ammo

[crude wind]

They're all good

[forest maple]

agri is insane aswell

[karmic musk]

Baited so hard

[crude wind]

Columbus is just the best at close range which is where most fighting happens

[umbral scaffold]

Try braced versions if you just want to shoot without aiming

[humble nova]

I love the Agri

[ivory aurora]

I use MK1 auto gun I think ?

[frank ether]

Its one of those things thats ok or not ok depending on who does it lol

[ivory aurora]

Was agri MK1 ?

[umbral scaffold]

I have a 380 agri on my zealot works well

[ivory aurora]

I’m terrible with names

[frank ether]

like there is a time to do it and then there are times not to do it

[sudden dome]

for autoguns and headhunters you need to be able to click heads, braced do 1.7k on flak without even trying. other than Columbus which is garbage and should stay in the garbage

[karmic musk]

I magdump Bolter on trash, always

[umbral scaffold]

Don’t even need damage perks in jt much

[teal abyss]

Them being a monopoly doesn’t change the fact that Left 4 Dead and L4D2 are two of the best co-op games of all time with or without Valve’s name slapped on them lol

[quaint valve]

I dont think they said officially, but im assuming this next update is wiping out our skill trees again?

[frank ether]

2 minutes into the mission
''I need ammo''

[willow badger]

i sold my nice agri to get fire frenzy for my columnus

[humble nova]

lul

Objectively untrue

[umbral scaffold]

Sorry but is it the best when I get called slurs and kicked all cause I joined in late

[karmic musk]

Ammo boxes exist only for me

[willow badger]

yea nah columnus just brrts with body shots

[frank ether]

rly hard to run out of ammo with certain guns

[umbral scaffold]

I much prefer darktide over left 4 dead

[sudden dome]

colum is objectivly the worst braced gun

[south garnet]

Yeah I do. A boomer is just one of those old fogies who played left 4 dead

[frank ether]

like ciag or an agri brauto you can just spray chaff just fine if you have a knife you're prolly gonna knife the big stuff anyways

[teal abyss]

What tf lol that’s clearly a community problem and not a game problem, the fact that you were trying to play it 14 years after it came out and cared that you couldn’t tells me it’s a great game

[umbral scaffold]

Left 4 dead is stale bread people praise too much all cause Jesus ate out of it

[quick fossil]

Columnus's recoil is a bit much for me

[umbral scaffold]

I tried it it’s average

[quick fossil]

Soo I thought if other marks are decent too

[sudden dome]

no range like the graia no infinite sustain like the argi, doesnt have the damage of either

[umbral scaffold]

The only thing that held it up was the music and the sound design

[frank ether]

It paved the way for games like this right here that you're playing

[crude wind]

You can combine it with deadshot for less recoil. And if you take weapon swap or ping keystones, you have options for immediate stamina regen

[umbral scaffold]

And I’m glad cause this game does it better

[crude wind]

Very strong combo

[umbral scaffold]

Over left 4. Dead

[humble nova]

It's okay, I suck with the Columnus too. That doesn't make it a bad weapon.

[teal abyss]

You compare the zombie behaviour, damage effects, and general director mechanics to Back 4 Blood that released like 13 years later and Left 4 dead is still superior

[umbral scaffold]

Game has actual fucking team work tied to it

[ivory aurora]

They all have their own charm.

[tiny summit]

Keystones are going to be as accessible like the other classes. How? We don't know. Combining talents? Deleting talents? Integrating talents into keystone talents? Who knows. Fatshark is insisting on the keystones when the tree worked fine without em

[umbral scaffold]

I never paid b4B

[teal abyss]

Smart

[umbral scaffold]

Why care about that game I’m talking darktide rn

[crude wind]

I know and they are

[karmic musk]

Third Vet nerf in a row incoming

[sudden dome]

its the worst of the three it might be b tier but why would you pick it compared to the others ther is literally no upside to using it

[umbral scaffold]

Ok stupid

[tiny igloo]

Wow, a

15 year old game

Doesn't have the same depth and complexity as something that came out in late 2022

[umbral scaffold]

That’s a lot of numbers

[humble nova]

Imagine comparing a game that was a genre-maker to a game that follows in its footsteps a decade and a half later like it's the same thing

[frank ether]

isnt that only natural over a decade and a half?

[crude wind]

Lol these takes

[umbral scaffold]

Goober that only likes revolver good luck with 5 shots

[tall torrent]

Most probably

[crude wind]

The Columnus is S tier

[tiny summit]

Try graia. Full auto like columnus just slightly slower but longer range, more stable and higher per bullet dmg

[teal abyss]

Because they’re all very similar co-op games, as a more general enjoyable co-op experience Left 4 dead 2 is still miles better than Darktide because it doesn’t have any of the stupid as fuck “loot grind/rpg” elements that hold Darktide back from being able to pick up and just play like L4D

[frank ether]

If Columnus doesnt deserve S tier I dont fkin know what does

[ivory aurora]

You can fire one then put one in.

[tiny igloo]

Dude, I just got railed for finding Psword and Inf Autoguns bad, and you're one-upping me for bad opinions.

[sudden dome]

the braced one? For what reason? it trys to be the other two and loses their upsides while not hitting the high points of either

[quaint valve]

using weapon specialist with graia you can get fire rate up to similiar feeling of columnus too

[hard cave]

I don't care about balancing I care about looking cool

[rain badger]

brauto go brrrrrr

[crude wind]

No the IAG

[tall torrent]

I think he was talking abt Columnus braced

[hard cave]

I need more free vet drip

[crude wind]

Ooooh my b

[umbral scaffold]

Well seeing as left 4 dead while having variety isn’t really enjoyable as it felt run and gun hard more so then darktide and the entithisis of team work is thrown out the window compared to darktide, and the story didn’t matter In l4d compared to darktide yes I’d say I know which one I will prefer over the other

[humble nova]

Only thing that really needs done is to combine some of the lesser ones, maybe a couple need to move again for better placement. It's not as bad as people made it out to be when the patch released.

[hard cave]

look at the forehead on that lad

[crude wind]

Yeah the braced exists

That's a thing

[umbral scaffold]

OoO

[frank ether]

Oh, columnus braced... lol I'm so sorry I forgot that thing exists

[sudden dome]

Well i dont use those so I wouldnt know, colum braced is just trash

[crude wind]

Sorry I forgot braced existed, yes it is bad lol

[sudden dome]

its got 70% of the damage of the other two and no good points

[frank ether]

braced guns are kinda stale yeah

[teal abyss]

Story matters in Darktide bro 80% of players don’t even know who the traitor being executed is when we get the level 30 cutscene lmao

[frank ether]

mostly bracing them is a scam

thats the problem with them

[tiny igloo]

I think the combined 135 Specials/Disablers/Elites on my last STG Heresy shows I don't need luck with the revolver, it's the heretics that're in desperate need of luck

[frank ether]

also bracing has some horrible input problems

[tiny summit]

I didn't doom about this current patch but the keystones definitely felt like a footnote on a decent tree

[umbral scaffold]

True

[rain badger]

mfw

[hard cave]

bro got the noggin

[sudden dome]

wait they show up at one point? I figured they were someone in the chapel at the start but its not like you ever talk to them

[umbral scaffold]

That’s additional story of your reject character in talking also story between missions

[frank ether]

story.... of darktide. that sure is an interesting take lmao.

[teal abyss]

My point exactly they were the commissary dealer

[karmic musk]

Its the Commisary store owner

[rain badger]

I legit got to level 30 like a year ago, I accidenlty pressed space bar to skip that scene, I have no idea who it is lmao

[tiny summit]

They are the docket cosmetic shopkeeper

[karmic musk]

Which I believe wasn't in at launch

[umbral scaffold]

See it as you will tell me what’s the story of left 4 dead rn

[sudden dome]

why would I got spend cash on cosmetics instead of guns before 30

[umbral scaffold]

Other then , escape to find the military base

[frank ether]

I'll give it to DT it has enchanted melee play greatly over l4d formula but story lol. Darktide story aka ''go do some missions so we know you're not the traitor''

[rain badger]

[tiny summit]

Drip is forever. That gun you bought is being replaced

[umbral scaffold]

That’s the side story the main story comes from the missions

And they do it much better then valve does

[frank ether]

Its as self explanatory as it can get lmao, gameplay tells the story

[umbral scaffold]

Valve makes it simple and that’s fine simple is always good

[teal abyss]

Your characters are carriers who can spread the plague but not be infected themselves, attempting to escape to safety and not realizing why every escape plan you try keeps failing when your pilots/drivers randomly infect, bare bones but better than Darktide which literally wasn’t there when the game came out and was added in later

[sudden dome]

my best gun predamnation was bought at level 23, then damnation happened and it cant kill gunners at range so I had to bin in. Poor graia braced, youll be missed

[frank ether]

zombie outbreak, you 4 are the lucky immune, now escape. Thats the gist of your story.

[karmic musk]

Just run over and hit them with your shovel

Stripped Down yolo

[umbral scaffold]

So if that’s all the story is then why care

They arnt even finding a cure either

[nimble sentinel]

real talk, all of the subtleties to the writing in this game are a treat

[umbral scaffold]

Comparing l4d to darktide I still feel darktide is much more better

[spark helm]

L4ds story is also very heavy on implied, unspoken points of intrigue due to the setting.

[nimble sentinel]

we can talk shit all day about the whole traitor arch via cutscenes, and that is fair

[sudden dome]

its mostly the gauntlet sections where they stand super far from where you have to be, and since thats where the majority of issues happen it makes no sense to take a gun that completely fails during it

[willow badger]

guys tell me how to stop getting killed by hidden flamers when i'm fighting a mob and instantly die

[umbral scaffold]

And world building is still layered on here too in the levels

[ivory aurora]

Drive me closer I want to hit them with my shovel

[karmic musk]

Yeap like you getting summoned to Mazosi and her telling you to fk off

[nimble sentinel]

but the little ways the different personalities interact iwth one another, what the heretics say, the commanders talking as well

[umbral scaffold]

Seeing the streets and carvings and what once was a normal town

[karmic musk]

I deeply appreciate such subtleties

[glacial mist]

which one is a dreg and which one is a scab?

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message yeh I accounted for that you ding dong

[glacial mist]

is scab the armored ones?

[nimble sentinel]

don't correct me in the middle of making my point

[ivory aurora]

I literally said out loud. “ well fuck you too then “

[umbral scaffold]

Again that’s just me I much rather promote darktide over left 4 dead

[tall torrent]

Dreg have yellow cloths
Scab wear black armor

[karmic musk]

Chats too fast for your point

[languid escarp]

base game? Sure. But L4d2 is much more moddable and the pvp game mode is pretty fun as well

[spark helm]

L4d has worldbuilding in sane way tbh. Darktide is just scaled up like mfker

[ivory aurora]

Nothing wrong with that.

[teal abyss]

Because it’s not, every character has backstory and one of them even dies over the course of one of the maps (The Sacrifice) plus there’s comic books expanding their character, Darktide is cliche af lol. Opening cutscene “Too bad you’ll never get a chance to prove your loyalty….” 3 minutes later “you said you were loyal…..prove it” lol it’s Grade 6 level writing

[umbral scaffold]

Why care about pvp

[spark helm]

The pvp is awesome

[languid escarp]

also you dont have to grind in l4d

[vast ferry]

Scab Soldiers has green eye visors in their helm as well to help identify.

[umbral scaffold]

Why care about mods for longevity if that’s all the game has to offer

[languid escarp]

it's literally just turn on and play game

[spark helm]

Community trash but it's so good

[frank ether]

Idk this whole convo smells like bait to me

[nimble sentinel]

professional vet bullying cadian
Ogryn letting the grumpy psyker be an honorary ogryn against their wishes
Zealot being right on the verge of heresy with the thrones and skulls

and thinking about how the inquisition would be okay with all of it

[glacial mist]

damn, so melk literally telling me i should be killing ranged mobs with melee weps and melee mobs with ranged wep

[ivory aurora]

I miss bill

[umbral scaffold]

If the game keeps being. Promoted casue of its mods then why else praise the game

[nimble sentinel]

I unironically think Dan Abnet did good here

[frank ether]

its like saying half life 1 is garbage because half life 2 added physics

[karmic musk]

Wtf are you smoking, its written by Dan Abnett personally, the best storyteller in GW hello?

[humble nova]

Darktide exists in a universe with preexisting lore, can't be compared

[umbral scaffold]

He’s a goober

He doesn’t know

[languid escarp]

pvp as in one side play as survivors one side play as special zombies

[umbral scaffold]

[languid escarp]

it's fun

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah I know how it works still dotn see a reason why it’s a plus

To the pvp all the time

[teal abyss]

The writing in that opening mission was dogshit lol if that’s the best y’all got in the Warhammer community no wonder this hobby is so niche

[nimble sentinel]

back when I had legal vveed I would love to get stoned and theorycraft why the inquisition didn't kill whichever voice I was playing with at the time

[spark helm]

It feels like it but idc. Bait posters always show their hand and its lowkey a lot of fun for me lol

[nimble sentinel]

^

[umbral scaffold]

Then why are you here

[teal abyss]

And it didn’t improve with the big “twist” lmao

[teal abyss]

Game fun

[nimble sentinel]

turned out, it kept me busy for a while

[languid escarp]

it's pretty fun with friends

[umbral scaffold]

@teal abyss what’s your reason for being here other then enticing arguments

[languid escarp]

if you have a casual friend it's much easier to get them into a few games of l4d2

[umbral scaffold]

And pve is fun too with friends

[teal abyss]

I love the gameplay, I can enjoy a game and still acknowledge that the story is bare bones garbage lol

[umbral scaffold]

No it’s not

[languid escarp]

than into darktide

it is

[umbral scaffold]

I disagree

[spark helm]

I mean yeah. I enjoy the game but I do not give a shit about 40k

[umbral scaffold]

It’s ok

[alpine bear]

There isn't a story, just a prolonged tutorial sequence : )

[teal abyss]

This

[umbral scaffold]

What’s this

Explain

Mr goober brain pilled

[teal abyss]

The comment I responded to? Use your brain lmao

[nimble sentinel]

unfortuantely I had a night job that needed background noise, and I found Lutein + Adeptus Ridiculous

[ivory aurora]

Wtf is a goober

[umbral scaffold]

What comment goober

I don’t see it

[nimble sentinel]

I had months of content

[languid escarp]

like sure you can have your opinion but how tf can you think a game with progression is somehow easier to get your casual friends to play than a game where everyone start the same and stay the same?

[teal abyss]

I don’t give a shit about 40k lore and if Darktide is any indication of the quality of the rest I definitely won’t

[finite imp]

why are you here exactly?

[umbral scaffold]

If you mean by the simplicity then I can agree to that

[spark helm]

All the storytelling for darktide comes off the power of the already established lore or something on top of this story. I think the campaign is what it is, filler to give you something

[alpine bear]

Darktide is bottom of the barrel story wise

[spark helm]

It doesn't need to be more involved

[teal abyss]

This channel is literally for discussing veteran builds, maybe for that reason?

[umbral scaffold]

I didn’t ask for you to keep talking to me

[finite imp]

ah ok

[teal abyss]

Good thing it’s a public discord

[spark helm]

There's the entirety of 40k around it. I just don't care for the external media

[umbral scaffold]

Did I stutter

[frank ether]

I'm just somewhat disappointed cause anytime someone talks trash about l4d or half life I expect to hear some great takes and its all bait or ??? tier takes

[nimble sentinel]

not totally true, there are many interactions between our characters when we're not facing hordes

[hard cave]

It would be really cool if we saw friendly ai in the missions that are active combatants

[umbral scaffold]

So if my views are bait then why even try to disagree

[hard cave]

Like a rescue mission

[teal abyss]

Block me then idiot the onus isn’t on me to stop talking because you’re a baby, it’s on you to make your space safer

[alpine bear]

I will say, it's odd how they chose to do the story in DT when VT2 was great story wise

[spark helm]

Yeah. Main reason why it's funny.

L4d got some solid issues that never aged well

[umbral scaffold]

Why you still talking to me

[frank ether]

Anyone can look at DT and see that it evolved the formula in some ways, in other ways it actually went worse though.

[ivory aurora]

Some maps you can see fighting and las fire in the distance

[umbral scaffold]

I think majority of it is good

[finite imp]

hey bro whats your fav vet build

[hard cave]

which is nice but I wish we actually got to see the moeiban 21st in action or find a group of enforcers holding out

[spark helm]

But the moddability of the game alone lends itself to some amazing stuff. Love going through dope mod campaigns

[frank ether]

Yeah it definitely is a product of its time

[spark helm]

There was a really nice re1 campaign mod

[frank ether]

This is kind of a theme with valve games

[ivory aurora]

Ah. Yeah I agree I’ll even take the sentry’s shooting something.

[frank ether]

half life 2 also has its share of issues that will never get adressed

[umbral scaffold]

They let their community do the work for them yes

[nimble sentinel]

didn't they just patch HL1?

[umbral scaffold]

Same with Bethesda

[spark helm]

I mean...yes

[frank ether]

like the fact that gunplay is an afterthought or combine AI in large sections of half life 2 just doesnt fucking work and is actually more brain dead than the half life 1 hecu AI

[umbral scaffold]

This

[ivory aurora]

Don’t forget valve can’t count to 3

[umbral scaffold]

[teal abyss]

I run shout middle keystone with a Helbore rn, waiting to see how they change the tree. Everyone been crying about veteran being weak but I haven’t been having problems in Damn so if they make them stronger I’ll be happy

[languid escarp]

tbh the only reason I don't get back to playing l4d more is because all the modern games have ruined me with their aiming down sight and sprint

[ivory aurora]

Respawn can’t count to 3 ether

[languid escarp]

I can't stop pressing shift

[finite imp]

cool gotcha.

[karmic musk]

Just need a few points freed up for all my builds

[spark helm]

Respawn is destroyed

Ao

So...that

[frank ether]

they did, only took them 25 years lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Who’s respawn

[spark helm]

Studio behind titanfall

[finite imp]

respawn entertainment

[umbral scaffold]

Ah I don’t play pvp anymore

[spark helm]

They got grinded down, team scrapped

[alpine bear]

Titanfall 3 confirmed?

[karmic musk]

No TF dev works at Respawn anymore

[spark helm]

So any project that's coming out of them is exclusively going to be for apex.

[umbral scaffold]

Did they make apex

?

[frank ether]

respawn is now a wage slave to make content for fomo addicted whales

[ivory aurora]

No. Take your pills

[ivory aurora]

Yup

[umbral scaffold]

No wonder

[alpine bear]

The pills take me out of the emperor's light

[spark helm]

That's an executive fuckery thing

Ngl

[ivory aurora]

Oh

[umbral scaffold]

Either way I’m gonna wait till I get home to play zealot and vet

[spark helm]

I think people need to actually learn and understand what actually goes down with gaming studios

[frank ether]

then its no wonder they keep insulting titanfall whenever they use it as lore piece for apex

[tall torrent]

Tbh the two Star Wars games respawn made were decent
If only Jedi survivor was actually playable (5 patches later and still bad performance)

[languid escarp]

I can't believe I used to grind Destiny 2. People who grind pve content in that game belong to insanity wards

[spark helm]

Because jokes aside, the lack of awareness is a little surprising in some ways

[ivory aurora]

I agree. It’s not press 4 buttons game come out

[hybrid river]

In respawn’s case however it was the devs who decided to cancel tf3 and make apex

[alpine bear]

I'd be more angry about this game's grind if the game itself wasn't actually fun

[spark helm]

The misplaced passion lowkey is a bit...idk. self shaming imo

[languid escarp]

Destiny 2's pve loop is actually dogshit so yeah

[spark helm]

I still need to learn more about that but from what I kind of gather, ea really did put them in a lose lose corner.

[nimble sentinel]

they released TF2 at the same time as BF1, stood no chance

[south garnet]

Titanfall got done so damn dirty both times

[alpine bear]

*BFV, and also CoD

[finite imp]

what those releases were 9 years apart

[nimble sentinel]

the other BF1

[finite imp]

am i mistaken

[teal abyss]

Titanfall not Team Fortress

[finite imp]

LOL

[spark helm]

I actually liked destiny pve. Genuinely entertaining for me. Whatever is going on in bungie now is kind of just a powder keg situation from decades of the company being fucked on.

Then again bungie has an insanely rough production history

[finite imp]

OH

[ivory aurora]

[finite imp]

YEAH

THAT ONE

[nimble sentinel]

oh yeh and the other tf2

[finite imp]

THAT TF2

[spark helm]

Like they've been subject to shit deals after shit deals under major publishers.

[umbral scaffold]

Sadly you’re taking to gamers 95 percent of them don’t care and will send death threats … why you think I don’t label myself as one lol

[finite imp]

Kuzkos TF2

[nimble sentinel]

my B

[finite imp]

the TF2 for Kuzko

[ivory aurora]

as a solo player destiny didn’t cater to me

[spark helm]

I mean, that gamer shit was always boring

Corny asf

[nimble sentinel]

fellas which is better tf2 or tf2

[finite imp]

what gamer shit

[umbral scaffold]

Neither

[finite imp]

fellas is it gay to play tf2

[umbral scaffold]

It used to
Destiny 1 was amazing.
Destiny 2 started strong and just kinda fizzled

[hybrid river]

TLDR, ea expected them to make tf3, they were making tf3, fortnite and pubg get popular, a couple devs make an experimental battle royale out of tf3 side branch, devs have fun testing it internally and lose motivation to do tf3, 6 months pass before the heads of respawn have a meeting with ea and tell them that they’ve been working on apex for months and no longer on tf3

[spark helm]

The idea of "gamer culture". Never gave a fuck, always was corny to me.

[umbral scaffold]

Destiny 1 was shallow

[ivory aurora]

Yeah I quit after that moon expansion

[finite imp]

one makes you stuck in respawns old days and the other one meant there was a 50% chance of being a fuirry

[umbral scaffold]

Tried that and boy did it fail … forcing me to play like a job

No thanks

[cloud leaf]

300 elite and special kills by one person can u believe it

[finite imp]

putchadickaway waltuh

[umbral scaffold]

Idk, the last expansion was pretty dope.
The lords of iron I think it was called

[nimble sentinel]

my favourite part about this is I still don't know which is which

[umbral scaffold]

Why are we praising destiny? That game makes you play like it’s a job to even have fun wtf

[spark helm]

D2 definitely got better. There's so much more to it but again, the freemium model stifles so much of a games development that a lot was constantly having to be rolled back into following content, major changes required to cut down unnecessary bloat, etc.

[teal abyss]

Wrath of the Machine was the best raid Bungie did and of course they were too lazy to have it be the only one that didn’t come back for 2 lmao, SIVA the only enemy they didn’t recycle

[languid escarp]

D2 enslave its players, I was one of them 🥹

[umbral scaffold]

Damn no wonder you’re that toxic you’re a destiny player

[ivory aurora]

The moon one of D2 I forgot the name. Right after the one where cayed died

[languid escarp]

lore is great though

[teal abyss]

“I didn’t ask for you to keep talking to me😭😭” I’ll try your strategy

[spark helm]

Look, I'm not going to say that destiny didn't feel like a job at times that's not the point. Literally darktide has some of the same exact artifical engagement tools but on a completely different playing field.

[ivory aurora]

Agreed

[umbral scaffold]

D2 got trashy really fast
It went from being a really cool solo experience to one of those games you compulsorily need a bunch of friends to play with and even then it's a slog

[languid escarp]

but repeating the same pve missions for all 3 characters is a pain

[spark helm]

You can...completely do solo content what?

It's not even a skill issue thing, you literally can.

[teal abyss]

Yeah I played til I saw how they were taking Eververse and then dropped that shit quick lol

[languid escarp]

to be fair the Destiny 2 discord server is great at finding fireteam

[ivory aurora]

I don’t remember a lot but when I played I ran into a lot of people in the open world doing events

[spark helm]

Definitely hard as fuck for certain things. Like...insanely annoying. But you can play the game solo like solo solo

[finite imp]

Destiny 2 was the most no brain game I have ever played i have never felt more numb when playing a game

[umbral scaffold]

And the fact that some of those activities take a ridiculous amount of time.
That's way to hard-core

[finite imp]

completely just DURRRR full on drooling

[spark helm]

Did you ever try hard content?

Idc about any kind of squabble shit I'm legit curious

[finite imp]

no because the content you start with was such a bore it was impossible to get to that point without being a masochist

[languid escarp]

but yeah pve missions have barely any variable and high difficulty missions are just the same enemies with absurd amount of HP

[teal abyss]

That’s fair Lmao

[spark helm]

Fair enough. New character experiences were one of the weakest points of the game tbh

[finite imp]

if you want me to play the "good content" the first 9 hours should also not be painful

bro it gets good a max level bro plz bro invest 40 hours bro

[languid escarp]

so the result is you must methodically get through each section like frigging math solving

[ivory aurora]

I never got to. I played the story’s of the expansion did a bit of PvP got obliterated by battle pass weapons and that was it

[modest sapphire]

I cant tell if youre talking about destiny or darktide lol

[finite imp]

destiny

[spark helm]

Eh, it's not just really the hp thing.

Major thing that I've noticed over the years is that, we'll, thr majority of the playerbase pve was so bad that a lot of shit wouldn't matter. Ppp playing for hours and hours to get God rolls, never use the fucking thing because they burned themselves out.

Then just...could never perform in gms and all that. Was a little funny but sas

[languid escarp]

also D2 is also like the sweatiest PvP game with no esports scene whatsoever

[teal abyss]

That’s a shame tho Raids were honestly the one thing I look back at Destiny with a little bit of fondness lol not making it to try them is missing out

[finite imp]

darktides content is entirely the same the entire time wym

the gameplay isd just fun

[finite imp]

ill just take your word for it

[strange crow]

@viral nacelle To ensure that the French weren't the outlier, I continued researching infantry regulations for the other combatants of the Napoleonic Wars. Unsurprisingly, British doctrine as early at 1792 did in fact advocate for use fo the hollow square, as did Prussia before 1812. Bagration references Barclay de Tolly's square formation as being different from a column/infantry mass, so I'm assuming that one is hollow as well

[spark helm]

Yeah that's the community. I'm challenging that. Large parts of the community want it so badly to be some esports friendly design philosophy.

It'll never happen. Bungie has never given a shit about passed a certain point.

[strange crow]

Yeah idk what blud was wafflin abt

[spark helm]

It's bungie pvp. You're getting clowncars

Been like that since halo

Players just hyper focused the dope shit and ran with it all the way to mlg

[finite imp]

the worst pvp community in existence is 105% valorant tho

[languid escarp]

the time when D2 released a DLC subclass that ruin pvp but is dogshit in pve is truly something kek

[eternal sable]

femboy

[ivory aurora]

And lol from what I hear.

[nimble sentinel]

wtf u talkin bout halo 3/reach had chill forge pvp

[spark helm]

That happens multiple times so it never surprised me.

[finite imp]

league is in a "league" of it's own budumtss

[ivory aurora]

I don’t touch riot games as they aren’t my kind of game.

[finite imp]

you mean you're normal

[modest sapphire]

the first 3 difficulty levels are just so boring in darktide. Like i cant get my friends to play more than 3 matches of darktide without writing it off as left for dead clone

[spark helm]

That has nothing to do with the standard pvp experience. That's what my focus was.

Forge is beautiful.

[ivory aurora]

Some what I suppose

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/catboy-anime-anime-cat-boy-og_hv-gif-26280365

[finite imp]

they say that as if the left 4 dead formula isn't still fun lol

there was a reason it was so damn succesful

[languid escarp]

I don't think Riot Games really make games

[finite imp]

they mostly make skins with games centered around them

[eternal sable]

no

:3

[languid escarp]

nor are people who play Riot Games games really gamers

[eternal sable]

have you guys ever read league of legends fan fiction ?

[finite imp]

what are they

[spark helm]

Riot...is a storefront with a massive gaming franchise built in front of it. Anything that starts out good eventually gets eroded more than its stafd.

[eternal sable]

its really erotic sometimes

[finite imp]

do not

no

[ivory aurora]

No. Just no

[eternal sable]

what

[finite imp]

someone get this guy outta here

[spark helm]

Read a couple. Some people have some really fun pieces.

[eternal sable]

yeah exactly

[teal abyss]

That’s one thing I don’t like, had a couple friends get in the game and having to grind to like level 12+ to get any of the cool Warhammer-y weapons with any class hurts they were like “oh nice…a shit shovel”

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-14648637

[ivory aurora]

Call me a valk I’m leaving

[spark helm]

Good writing is good writing I don't really carw.

Lol

[eternal sable]

ya

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[spark helm]

And, fortunately, I'd rather read that if I ever cared compared to reading anything wider about warhammer.

This shit, is boring to me. I'd rather just go through the actual history and all that heavily inspires the work expressed by warhammer as a whole.

[alpine bear]

I just try to explain to peeps that the levelling system is a glorified tutorial and that the game really starts after you hit max level.

[finite imp]

is anniv part 2 out yet

[languid escarp]

first time I played darktide with my friend we got stuck for 30 minutes because no one realized we all need to be in the elevator to progress

my friend quit afterwards

[ivory aurora]

Nothing on the news yet

[finite imp]

i want my new revolver

i want to make the cowboy haters cry

[eternal sable]

uwu

roleplaying veteran

femboy confirmed

[ivory aurora]

It’ll be high noon next week

[copper pine]

Tuesdays are normally the days they drop updates, so maybe tomorrow

[modest sapphire]

yeah but how many hours does it take to reach 30 in quickplay lol.

[alpine bear]

I don't actually know, I didn't pay attention to that

I was too busy trying and failing at getting long bomb

[spark helm]

And also, fortunately, there's some phenomenal official pieces that exist for league in the past and now.

Problem is well, it's fucking leagues anything good is purely for the sake of pulling people back in/pulling them in anyway.

Game is strictly not fun

[languid escarp]

cry because all those shots went overhead

[modest sapphire]

im still trying to level my fourth class and it is agony

[ivory aurora]

I did that at some point. Can’t remember anything tho. My brain must have deleted it

[alpine bear]

I have yet to start my second, lol

But yeah, the game is a slow start

Not nearly comparable to Warframe, but still enough to make it tough

[ruby fulcrum]

With warframe tho, it's a slow start but there's so much new stuff thrown at you that has no explanation. It's awesome

[spark helm]

Shit, part that bothers me even more is just how much effort is put on the artists, developers, writers, etc. They don't have people that don't know what they're doing.

They're just grinding them to dust and it shows. It gets real fucked up when I go through some media with really strong execution the whole time knowing that this art has only existed because some people were desperate and needed it to work to maybe not get fired in the next layoff sweep

Exactly why d2 is really about to suffer.

[alpine bear]

I suppose, but with how DT's strong suit is how flexible the customization is, the fun is basically locked out for an u reasonable amount of time imo

[spark helm]

That shit was maniacal. Inevitable with a company that large in the first place but its not the first time bungie has been rotted through. Now they just have incredible pr.

[modest sapphire]

lol I love when out of nowhere people will compare any game to warframe or destiny. Not a criticism. Its just funny

[alpine bear]

Warframe is rather infamous for its slow burn

IDC about Destiny

[modest sapphire]

ok so that was somewhat relevant lol

[alpine bear]

Ye, it's like 200 hours or smthn that's required before you actually have a lot of fun with the game

[spark helm]

Warframe was fun. I burned myself out on that game ages ago. I like that there's actually a robust world built around it now.

I'd have to catch up and uh. Fuck. That. 🙂

[alpine bear]

Darktide isn't to that level, but there are still hours played where you are just a dude with a shitty shovel and a basic lasgun

If you are a vet, that is

[ivory aurora]

I’m off to bed. Take care all!

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine bear]

See ya

[modest sapphire]

darktide also is a little bit of a painful experience because not only do you progress slowly, but there is kindof a sharp learning curve with dodging, and understanding toughness. It's a pretty unique game in those aspects and my friends just dont wanna put up with that

Not that the solution is for developers to dumb everything down

[alpine bear]

Nah, but there definitely needs to be a change

[sudden dome]

vet doesnt need to understand toughness, if the number hits 0 shout, if everyone else is low shout, otherwise keep shooting things

[alpine bear]

The tutorial is pretty dragging, which is where I'd probably start

[spark helm]

I'm coming from being way too aware of defense in this and vt2 but at the very least I'd say darktide is way more accessible than vt2 for new people

[alpine bear]

If you go the left side, ye

[south garnet]

The tutorial makes you believe cover and suppression are going to matter

[spark helm]

Glad on that one honestly. Vermintide is brutal for people with zero experience in horde shooters lmao.

[sudden dome]

vet has so many toughness gains its crazy, and if you shoot things you give everyone else toughness on kill

[alpine bear]

Again, a huge strong suit to the game is how much you can define your playstyle compared to VT2. The problem is you really do gotta wait to have that experience

[modest sapphire]

you cant even get shout until like level 15 or something. thats another problem. when you start the game, your grenade is a marshmellow, and your gun a pea shooter, and your ability is the close elevator button. This is consistent across all classes.

[spark helm]

I mean, that's true but vet feels solid to level after the class overhaul

[alpine bear]

I mean, Ogryn gets the box starting out. 10/10 starting conditions

[spark helm]

Psyker was the biggest winner for newbies in that regard.

That shit was...pain to level without the obvious power spikes of the original talent tree.

And I like that kind of experience for magic users but that's me

[modest sapphire]

yeah they went out of their way to explain a bullets interaction with a wall and basically didn't explain dodging at all. like that you can't try to outrun a melee mob with no stamina

[alpine bear]

Or how to turn on your flashlight on your lasgun

0/10

[sudden dome]

suppression does kind of matter, but only the part when youre doing it to other people

[spark helm]

I think that's one of those things that's there for you to learn via experience exclusively

Plus, suppression matters when you're caught in it, hello?

[alpine bear]

It's kinda unique to veteran in my eyes

[spark helm]

Who is lying?

For no reason

[south garnet]

A real tutorial level for darktide would look like a counterstrike surf map combined with bullet shooter style masses of projectiles flying at you

[karmic musk]

Psyker Purgatus suppresses my Vet

Its working

[cloud leaf]

um gunlugger is the suppresion class

[alpine bear]

You only care about it when you are doing the guardsman larp. The other classes kinda have to shrug it off

[alpine bear]

I mean caring about being suppressed

[sudden dome]

suppression immunity on tons of guns on weakpoint hit, so who cares jsut shoot them

[alpine bear]

Not dealing suppression

[spark helm]

Plus, suppression works as it does, something that fucks you over when you're actually forced to deal with it.

Like actual suppression

I might be misreading people's posts. That just stuck out to me so hard.

[sudden dome]

Ive had suppression immunity forever on vet and I dont play other classes, I also only used guns that were bad from far away before I got it, so it literally never mattered

only matters if you want to click heads

[spark helm]

It's trivial when you're on top of things though so yeah.

^infantry lasgun counterfire goon.

It doesn't even matter when I want to click heada. They're typically killed before they even get into position

So when you're able to accomplish that kind of flow, suppression immunity is a waste of time unless you're really really hard for it.

[sudden dome]

All I know is if you shoot in peoples direction they stop shooting, which stops supression so just shoot more

[spark helm]

Yeah, stagger matters with stopping power for stronger units.

I'm not being a smartass: what's your point?

[alpine bear]

I charge my lasgun and pop gunners before they have the time to shoot back, so I rarely have issues with it myself

[spark helm]

Suppression can be easily trivialized or made redundant

[sudden dome]

I dont understand how suppression is an issue when there are plenty of ways to deal with it

so why does it matter

like just shoot them

[spark helm]

Were people saying it was an issue?

[alpine bear]

I wasn't saying it was an issue

[sudden dome]

wasnt that what you were saying they said it wasnt

[spark helm]

I was just saying that it works well for its purpose when it does.

[sudden dome]

and you went the opposite

[alpine bear]

I was saying that the only class that would even care about being suppressed is the vet

[spark helm]

No, I was saying that suppression as a mechanic works very well for its intended purpose

And then elaborated and agreed at different points that it's something that's very easy to play around.

Inference moment: it's a very solidly designed punishment tool for the director to feel much more threatening should you be subject to having to deal with it without the means to address it.

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma 1-3 tap on everytging but monstrous better though

[spark helm]

That's fine

It's a strong tool

One of the strongest at the moment.

[alpine bear]

Plasma gun my beloved

[spark helm]

I kind of hated it back then but it's a lot cooler to me now at least

[sudden dome]

Also I realized I dont need guns for ragers, parry literally 1 hits them in the head, or they all took damage before getting to me the last round. Its like an anti rager, just parry dodge back parry when they get to you again

[umbral scaffold]

It should be more punishing though small tap 100 should blow

[spark helm]

Kind of confused why universal partying wasn't a thing but meh whatever

[umbral scaffold]

Feels baby sitting

[spark helm]

?

[umbral scaffold]

If you tap at 100 it just auto cools before firing

[spark helm]

OH

The failsafe

Thats new

[umbral scaffold]

Its dumb

[spark helm]

It's fine

[umbral scaffold]

No thats old

[spark helm]

I could've swore...

[umbral scaffold]

Its been day 1

[spark helm]

Huh yeah I barely used it

Fair enough

Legit never got close to overheating back then now that I think about it

Back then at least

[umbral scaffold]

Its hard to

[spark helm]

I don't mind the failsafe, it's whatever. If anything the commitment on the animation is punishing enough for breaking your flow

[umbral scaffold]

And often i do it on purpose because i get bored

[spark helm]

I'd use it liberally on average after the overhaul changes because I genuinely like how it clears crowds.

[umbral scaffold]

Its a cool mechani c in practice

[spark helm]

And I like the sound.

[umbral scaffold]

If it mattered tgat is

[alpine bear]

It is very punchy

[spark helm]

Yeah

I agree that definitely feels powerful

[alpine bear]

I honestly prefer it over the bolter

It just sounds and looks like it fucks

[spark helm]

Darktide is very good on average with its animation and sound design coming together actually really sell the weight and power of certain. Things.

Only reason why I love the eviscerator so so very much.

[umbral scaffold]

Bolter feels like a clunky hellbore to me and i dont even use hellbore anymore

[spark helm]

The camera pull on the revved power swing

https://tenor.com/view/frog-pepsi-having-a-good-time-eating-funny-epic-gif-15879543

Sensational

Ugh...the sound on the gore.

Yo no edgelord that shit is so dope. I genuinely want to know what they did to get that sound.

Forgot the formal term for it in studio biz but sound creation is really fun to watch.

[umbral scaffold]

Ai direectoe on some shit since the few last updates i swear

[spark helm]

That fucker can eat my ass from the side.

Ai director been on my head so hard lately.

It's fun but damn

Getting gangbanged by mutants into a rager pile?

With the flamers?

Yo what I do?

[umbral scaffold]

The gore sounds like jello balistic gel in this game its funny. Tho never mind that. Thats just a game and better that way

[spark helm]

I mean, yes.

Mk1 has some really...um

Questionable productions

[umbral scaffold]

See it abit like flashy sword sounds in medieval media tging where rhat needs some serious uprooting tho

[spark helm]

The game mortal Kombat 1

The way they've been pushing the photo realism, animation and sound for gore for the newest mk1

Yeah somebody has seen some vids.

[umbral scaffold]

Swords hitting metal do not make scraping metal noise 😭😭

[spark helm]

You don't get that level of sharpness and translations of weight and gravity for gore unless you actually like

Really know what that's like even for artistic reference.

[umbral scaffold]

Skyrim vanilla swords traumatised my ears fr

[spark helm]

Pft

[umbral scaffold]

No fr goofiest sword sound award

Worst than that its scabard pull outs sounding like metal against metal à là roblox sword sfx

[frank ether]

to this day I'm not sure how skyrim ever got this popular

[umbral scaffold]

Youtube the, goofy physic engine abd the depth and story

And somewhat freedom

Id say youtube mostly tho

Everyone was makung skyrim video when it came out

[spark helm]

Marketing, a solid graphic fidelity for the time, an okay enough game loop experience to inspire improvements from the mod community, the mod community, the mod community.

Content creators, uh...Bethesda open world game staying power.

Fuck Skyrim's story.

[serene sage]

Never played Skyrim

[spark helm]

I hated that shit

[serene sage]

Probably never will

[umbral scaffold]

Mod community was its wings tbh

Skyrim has no reason being still relevant today other than its mods

And nostalgia factor

[spark helm]

Unless you share a perspective like mine where you treat franchises like history books, you really aren't missing out on anything.

[serene sage]

Remember Fallout train which is just an NPC with a hat?

It was ingenious ngl but also funny af

[spark helm]

Never got into fallout.

I started playing the first one. That's some DOPE shit actually.

[umbral scaffold]

Falloyt was a miss for me tbh tried it alot dont really sticked

[spark helm]

I enjoy games that want to set themselves in dystopian areas without the kind of blind dudebro optimism I'm used to with dystopian fiction for games.

Or lived in apocalypse stuff.

And by dudebro I mean like

Hm

The kind of perspective I've seen in dystopian games where it's clearer to me that the people behind the writing for it have a very unrealistic, masturbatory view of what desperate conditions do to people

More about the spectacle of suffering from painfully privileged people than anything else. I'll pass.

[serene sage]

Y'know if you approach Darkest Dungeon from a purely world build perspective, it's a really good Apocalypse game

[spark helm]

It's amazing

[umbral scaffold]

So is gtfo

[spark helm]

YO

[serene sage]

That's the zombie game right?

[spark helm]

Gtfo is CRAZY

Bruh

That ain't a zombie game

Yo

Listen to me

Listen

[serene sage]

Well it has zombies?

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, the only game to make me sweat

[spark helm]

Remember the opening for darktide?

[umbral scaffold]

Lmao

[spark helm]

Guess what, you're the goon getting killed on the cam feed.

[umbral scaffold]

It's a test of your sanity more like

[spark helm]

By little goons

Dude that game is so fucking grueling

[umbral scaffold]

Everything is eerie

The lore is top tier though

[nimble sentinel]

GTFO intrigues me but I don't like coop that requires scheduling with friends

[spark helm]

The fact that they have you actually needing to manage terminal commands, like actually know what to type, and all the real stress

Bro

[umbral scaffold]

You can solo it with mods or cheats via wemod

[spark helm]

That wpm bout to GETTUP

Lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Even then it's scary as hell

[serene sage]

I would play it if I have friends who play and are willing to git gud at it

[nimble sentinel]

I can also pug darktide and sometimes get wins most of the time

[serene sage]

Also the name GTFO is stupid as hell

It's a big turn off for me ngl

[umbral scaffold]

You haven't played the game my man

[spark helm]

I wouldn't know what being good at gtfo looks like. I'm like super slow on the uptake with that game but bro

What the fuck is going on this shit is hard

[umbral scaffold]

Wemod doesn't support darktide because it's mostly server side

[umbral scaffold]

You have to be tactical.
Like rainbow six siege on steroids tactical

[spark helm]

I stopped talking shit about [insert space guy with tacticool gun] dying as extras

[wary galleon]

god i love listening to prog industrial death metal while absolutely spamming the shit outta my braced autogun or heavy stubber

[spark helm]

R6 wishes it was on tip like that

Like

1 mistake.

[serene sage]

I know I didn't. And that's the point, the name distances me from it. Inb4 "oh it's actually fitting for the gameplay loop," I honestly don't care if the name turns me off from playing in the first place.

GTFO? Really? That's the name?

[umbral scaffold]

Braced autogun does go hard.
Rambo every mission

[umbral scaffold]

It has checkpoints

[spark helm]

Like 1 mistake in gtfo can completely ruin a run. And it's not like a struggling descent into failure.

It's instant punishment. Whatever chance you might have had to clutch required hella foresight.

[wary galleon]

i love how big the ammo supply is, that really tickles my rambo brain! until we get a hotshot 🙏 🙏

[spark helm]

Not trying to be rude, just excited. Read muh replies

And this is all priase

[wary galleon]

MK II with a gunbuild is amazing

[umbral scaffold]

I mean it's really niche and hard-core
I got till r6 and called it quits because that is an unhealthy amount of stress

[spark helm]

Only criticism I have for gtfo is that it's highly unlikely to be a game that can survive being designed for wider audiences.

Stress addicts have a perfect place in gtfo

[nimble sentinel]

One of the worlds most popular games is unironically called lol

[umbral scaffold]

100 bullets for 3 minutes. Now that's satisfying as hell

[hard cave]

POST VET DRIP NOW

WHO CARES ABOUT WEAPON BALANCE WHEN YOU CAN BE DRIPPY

[umbral scaffold]

People who play that are on another level of synergy

[spark helm]

Dude

That

Ikr?

[nimble sentinel]

No, fat cock

[spark helm]

It's beautiful to watch the big boys play in the discord

[hard cave]

NOOOO

[spark helm]

I wanna be like them when I grow up lmao

They play so smooth

It's crazy

[umbral scaffold]

Or souls like fans lol
True though
It's a unique experience

[serene sage]

People call it League as well.
In conversation no one says "loi" irl, they just say League

[spark helm]

I mean. Aight fine yeah I guess you're right.

I lowkey got beef eith dark souls but it's mostly gone.

[umbral scaffold]

Bruv, it's just a Game.
I played it just to break my no horror games streak and boy was it an experience

[spark helm]

Shit was dope

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

Lore is on point too

[spark helm]

I have a very hard time enjoying dark souls. I just. Hate playing it.

I know next tk nothing about gtfo lore, couldn't stay alive long enough to connect the pieces.

[umbral scaffold]

That's some cool way of storytelling

[spark helm]

Most I got for free is the dread of just knowing that whatever institution is behind the one deep underground, technology has allowed prisoners to be fitted into new bodies again and again.

That's...really fucked up

[umbral scaffold]

It's fun!
I've completed ds1, sekiro, nioh 1, 2, wo long, lies of p and elden ring.
The others are on my backlog lol

[umbral scaffold]

Oh that's aliens

The Warden is alien ai

They're trying to save us from nam v by making immune populace jump dimensions to where it's safe

[untold moth]

Which blessings would you pick for plasma gun

I got one with 10% elites, 25% flak, blaze away.

[spark helm]

Like after seeing Elden Ring, it definitely looks like a celebration of everything learned throughout the studios entire history. That's amazing and cool.

It took that long for a fromsoft game for me to be interested in experiencing the catalogue in earnest after learning the history of the developers and all that

[umbral scaffold]

It's so sad nam v doesn't cause mutations outside garganta. Would have been one hell of a sequel

[untold moth]

Last slot is open for any blessing

[spark helm]

Plus, for me, the things that dark souls challenged me to be better at weren't really all that satisfying for me.

I'm spoiled on stuff like ninja Gaiden, God hand, solo melee high mobility tight dodge window classes in vindictus, that kind of thing.

[untold moth]

Does that “toughness generated goes to Allies” count for toughness beyond your cap

[spark helm]

I wasn't just out here just freelo dunking shit in the starting areas for dark souls but the speed of the combat and my overall experience made every encounter in that game the most boring shit I've ever experienced thus far for single player combat

[slow spade]

No lmao

[umbral scaffold]

I guess I had a masochistic phase so I played said games a lot. Not anymore lol. Not without modifiers anyway.

[slow spade]

Its one of the shittiest talents for a reason c:

[serene sage]

But you have to take it

Because

Whoever designed that shit probably designed the launch penance as well

[spark helm]

I really liked the little of bloodborne I got to play

[serene sage]

It reeks of "I do not play the game but want to contribute to justify my salary"

[untold moth]

What would you guys change?

I have elites to hit sub10m gunner headshot hip-fire breakpoint

[spark helm]

Sekiro is definitely up there on my fromsoft interests cuz the flow of it and all that looks cool

[willow badger]

chomken

[frank ether]

its more of a stealth roguelike... something. Its weird.

also throw horror in there.

[jolly cave]

Nothing, if that hits all the breakpoints you want

[spark helm]

And yeah, I do like a solid ninja story. Wish that there was much much less imperial absorbed stories of ninja but oh well

[untold moth]

Probably just swap out gets hot then? Or just leave it free for in case anything changes

They made the breakpoints on the plasma gun so annoying tbh..

[jolly cave]

You might want to swap elites with mutants to see if that helps you kill mutants in less shots

[serene sage]

I could never decide if FromSoft games are overrated or fairly rated

[umbral scaffold]

Fairly overrated

[serene sage]

Lol

[umbral scaffold]

It had PTSD and trauma if that's your thing

[jolly cave]

I like Gets Hot personally, plasma crits are good. But it's your preference.

[frank ether]

Kinda the problem with the game is that a round of it takes a lot of dedication and each mission is unique in its own way that you have to strategize and stuff

[untold moth]

It would, but then I can only 1 shot gunners if they are greater than 10m away

[spark helm]

They're genuinely nice games to be real.

For what I want in challenging game experience though, the majority of the dark souls franchise could never give it to me.

[frank ether]

I've had GTFO games where like one mission took 2 hours to finish

Game gives you limited ammo and doesnt tell when you'll need it so you always feel afraid to shoot

[umbral scaffold]

See the combats some of the best I've ever seen. Always. Juicy.
But it'd locked behind difficulty

[umbral scaffold]

You shoot?
Lmao

[jolly cave]

That's true, in my experience gunners are always over 10m away when I encounter them so this is not an issue for me. I would rather 2 shot ragers. But it's entirely based on your playstyle and preference.

[spark helm]

I don't really feel much from what (in my feel for the game) comes down to really just knowing some sequences from x creature, completely outmaneuvering it in a very plain and uninteresting way just to slap it or do the exact same big backstab to do big dmg.

Parrying was lowkey the thing that broke my interest in the game back then.

[untold moth]

I already two shot ragers I’m pretty sure.. going to test

[languid escarp]

are we talking about bugged bayonet?

[spark helm]

Being tested for exclusively awareness of sequences with the threat of a huge punish for failure isn't interesting to me at all. Because for me, when I lnow the motions like that for dark souls, eh...there's no entertainment for me.

The world, the story, the music, the atmosphere are all great for me.

Hate actually playing the dark souls games. Insanely unsatisfying for me.

[untold moth]

Yeah. Two shots both maniac and flak ragers at all ranges

[languid escarp]

oh not bayonet

bayonet can two shot ragers too

crazy

[frank ether]

you have to at some point

[spark helm]

Bloodborne felt fine though for the time I had access to it, sekiro looks like it's more my speed and elden ring looks like just the current amalgamation of the things that make those games very beautiful and fun to engage with.

Think I'm just going to avoid dark souls and play the others lmao @umbral scaffold

Real shit, if I want a game experience predicated on the things that you develop and refine through something like dark souls, I'll just go through fear and hunger.

Which is...tough already. Ugh...

[serene sage]

I really like the Remnant series

[spark helm]

Remnant is sick.

[serene sage]

Tough but not too much

[spark helm]

Haven't played the first one a lot compared to my friends. Imma need ritualist tho

[serene sage]

I need to learn the dodge in that game though

[nimble sentinel]

yeh exactly, why organize things with friends when I can just bake delicious shit to make your partners jealous of how good a boywife I am

[loud cape]

what

[spark helm]

Lol

[languid escarp]

huh?

[spark helm]

Throwing flashbangs in chat. That's funny.

[serene sage]

Dude has a partner, so he's allowed to throw shades

[swift ingot]

The first remnant rocks same with Chronos and Remnant 2 really ties the series together with all of its callbacks and references to both the first game and Chronos

[spark helm]

Okay that wasn't too bad. I liked the followup

[umbral scaffold]

Lol true

[umbral scaffold]

Ah yes remnant 2. My backlog ptsd is intensifying

[loud cape]

The worst thing that can possibly happen is getting ganked by crushers and there being a sneaky little trapper

[serene sage]

Trappers are assholes

[nimble sentinel]

trappers are the only people on atoma that truly want us

[serene sage]

That's all. They are the anti clutching mechanic

[spark helm]

Guessing chronos is something before remnant?

[umbral scaffold]

Nah I bought a ton of games because of the absolute stacked release season and sales and have to play through a fat stack of them

[swift ingot]

Chronos is a prequel that sets up the events of the first game

[spark helm]

They are at the top of my list. The same as smokers in l4d2.

They are not allowed to live if I have an angle.

[loud cape]

There was a trapper below me,my team mate unnetted me,i got netted .1 miliseconds later

[spark helm]

Yep. Put me on the squad. Will never happen again.

[serene sage]

The thing is they can shoot through things you are not allowed to

[spark helm]

Trapper netted my family, my pets, my bank account.

Never again

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-blank-stare-stare-anime-mio-naganohara-gif-24979431

[serene sage]

Walls, teammates, thin barriers, etc.

Also sometimes they bug out and don't play a sound

[loud cape]

im trying to complete make every shot count

[serene sage]

Sometimes the hitboxes are bullshit

[loud cape]

Tips?

[nimble sentinel]

can't shoot through my ogryn teammates and neither can I

[spark helm]

What gun?

[loud cape]

plasma gun :

[umbral scaffold]

As a responsible vet, do your duty, focus target the hell out of them

[loud cape]

Bolter and plasma

[nimble sentinel]

shush

[loud cape]

and also revolver

[serene sage]

Revolver is probably the easiest

[spark helm]

Ah, wouldn't know what to tell you.

[serene sage]

Otherwise, just the obvious like don't take survivalist

And don't miss

[spark helm]

Probably for plasma, conserve it for specials, clusters of enemies that you really need dead before they close distance uh

Major thing, line up your shots as often as you can for killing multiple special/elite threats when that cluster isn't always viable. As in, when you can, position yourself to create the angle for the shot as opposed to always just going for the easier option.

Sometimes it'll open up better situations when you actually let yourself risk things.

Thats really it I guess. Don't reload unnecessarily. Try to take positions that reduce your exposure to flanking from scalable walls, um.

Use your melee more deliberately and purposefully as you can is what I do for weapons like plasma gun when I really feel like I need to hold on to my shots.

I got nothing for bolt. Haven't used it yet since the new change.

[tall sleet]

do bleeds proc onslaught?

[serene sage]

Yeah

[tall sleet]

that'snice

[serene sage]

It's

[tall sleet]

got the idea from the ogryn blessings I've been using

[spark helm]

Oh really?

I didn't even know it did that

[tall sleet]

works really well on ogryn so why not on vet

[spark helm]

Mm

[tall sleet]

although onslaught would only be 1 stack per tick rather than 4 I guess

[spark helm]

I'm kind of hoping that ogryn feels more interesting to me after the overhaul. Idk

[tall sleet]

I've been surprised by how much I'm liking it honestly

[spark helm]

Ogryn is really solid but I'm just not a fan of the majority of the class on average.

I don't actually like using the majority of the guns they have, I despise most of the melee.

[serene sage]

it's funny how psykers complain about Disrupt Destiny

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene sage]

while vets will defnitely trade Marksman Focus for exactly that

[tiny summit]

We like DD. Sometimes it's drunk though

[spark helm]

Dd is the right tree keystone right?

[tiny summit]

Yes

[spark helm]

What's wrong with it? That shit rips

[serene sage]

I understand that Reddit has a severe skill issues but every week there is a post complaining about DD

it happened again yesterday

[spark helm]

Ah.

[tiny summit]

Marks the enemy at max distance when 10 viable targets are right next to me. Shooting the DD mark and then changes mark as I'm shooting them

[serene sage]

DD never triggers on specialists

that one I learnt

[spark helm]

I remember there being a thing about dd with uh

[tiny summit]

Sometimes I just don't see it at all when there are viable targets

[spark helm]

For some reason it wasn't actually showing itself on marked targets or something

[serene sage]

it only triggers on non-spawn enemies

ie not specialists wave, most of the times, not even on horde spawn

it priorities the existing patrol

[tiny summit]

It's a lot more consistent and works how I would want it to than it used to. But sometimes it's annoying

[willow badger]

trying to roll a weapon spec + shout vraks 7 build

what extra talents to take?

deadshot/+30% weakspot?

or longshot + ET

[spark helm]

Huh...that's actually weird.@serene sage

Oh well

I guess.

[serene sage]

I mean I have never seen a specialist marked

ever

[spark helm]

I don't remember. It's all a blur to me

Before I deleted my characters

So I wouldn't know. I like right tree psyker overall though. Most of my builds were for it.

Either that or left tree.

Middle tree is cool for empowered shit. I prefer playing off peril though

And forcing peril interactions. "Berserk" psyker is the idea I guess. I could never enjoy unchained sienna much

It was a lot easier for me to play like that before the class overhaul. Haven't tried to actually reproduce that build because Psyker just feels so dynamic now compared to any other class.

[tiny summit]

What does you build look like? I've been valuing all the toughness on kill skills since you'll also replenish toughness for the team. Are you missing any break point on that 30% weak spot dmg?

[willow badger]

have to run breakpoints tbh actually

i'm twoshotting gunenrs on headshot w/o crit rn

oneshot on crit

[tiny summit]

Like I'm not running shout that often but I have added all the toughness on kill nodes on my helbore exe build

Personally I've fallen out of love w/ deadshot because I value my stamina now when an enemy gets close

[willow badger]

good point good point tbh

[tiny summit]

Like I've been at points where I'm reloading or taking aim on a gunner dumping his fire on me but because I had like 3-4 toughness regen procs going I was only really going slightly negative on his dmg vs my toughness regen

[frank ether]

hhdfkgsjkfs

I mean

cooking skills are important

[tall torrent]

Born leader is bad, value the toughness gains for yourself over your team

[mystic belfry]

Disagree I’d rather give my team toughness

Born leader isnt great at doing that though

[raw steppe]

you can give your team toughness by killing more shit

and pressing f more

[willow badger]

i always take born leader cause i take tac awareness

[jolly cave]

I know some people find putting ping on left click useful, god I cannot handle spam pinging it is so distracting. I guess some people find it useful, though.

[misty quest]

Focus target gives a pretty good amount with side talents dont it

[willow badger]

my issue is i'll run into lulls where there's nothing to ppipng

[karmic musk]

Focus Targets keystone will cause your left click ping to have no cd

Try it and get kicked next match

[jolly cave]

No, I don't want to try it

I just put ping on a different mouse button

[raw steppe]

left click pinging is pretty counterintuitive to how pinging should actually be used lol

cuz often times you want to use ping to tag a threat that you can't deal with right away or keep a sniper/bomber tagged during a stressful situation

you essentially trade away the ability to do useful callouts and tracking in exchange for being a little bit lazier

[snow pendant]

finally turned off the team ping noise

[jolly cave]

This is exactly how I feel about it

[snow pendant]

cuz fucking stupid focus target keystone vets just keeps spamming tag before anything dies

"i cant kill this and i am spamming my tag kill it for me"

[nimble sentinel]

I treat it as a junior exe stance

[snow pendant]

thanks for adding another way for obnoxious idiots to annoy the ppl

[nimble sentinel]

they glow yellow, they take more damage, it's a thing I do

[raw steppe]

seems like a bad build lol

my focus target build can handle all enemy types

just treat the tag as a damage boost and toughness refresh

[raw apex]

know a guy who has an auto clicker that constantly clicks tagging at a rapid pace so anytime his crosshair lands on a target that can be tagged, it just jumps like crazy, you'd think a GAU-8 Avenger Gatling gun were going off... yeah I don't like it either XD

[snow pendant]

thats fine until the muppet that cant read just keeps spamming it over and over on the target before anyone even breaths at it

[nimble sentinel]

let the DH deal with that muppet, I'll pick him up later if I feel like it

[karmic musk]

If you run Focus Targets yourself, your ping will get overwritten by his

And jump to a diff target

[snow pendant]

yeah thanks to fatshark for adding something that pea brains cant understand to abuse and annoy the rest of the team , i really didnt expect that i had to really go to options to turn off the sound for the tag

good fragging job

[raw apex]

oh? well damn Imma have to tell him to stop using it.

[south garnet]

kick his ass

[raw apex]

I dunno if my shoe will fit Wesley lol

XD

[south garnet]

[snow pendant]

i literally dont care anymore sometimes i take a quick glance is a flamer or a rager , and the fucking vet is carrying a plasma not even emprah can save that idiot

vet having the strongest gun cant deal with a flamer or rager that had to charge him to deal dmg

got swarmed cuz he forgot about his grenades

makes an ogryn main like me looks like a genius

[raw apex]

Hell even I forget my grenades XD

[ivory rock]

It's real (rolled on my Ogryn xd)

[raw apex]

Too busy purging heresy

[snow pendant]

if u can deal with hordes and shoot elites to death sure forget the grenades

[nimble sentinel]

Las vets Ogryns
🤝
Letting the annoying and dumb tag vets die

[south garnet]

teams that end up surrounded, downed and not infrequently wiped, by bombers and flamers nobody can see through the fire because they either forget or refuse to ping makes me laugh every time

[raw birch]

wich auto guns do u recomend that isnt fast as colum?

[raw apex]

true, when I'm playing veteran, I tend to focus the ranged units so my other buds don't have to worry about getting riddled with shots at range.

[south garnet]

like I'm going to ping a target for someone ELSE to kill that could be MY kill aaagh why is my flesh on fire how could this happen to meeeee

[nimble sentinel]

agri brauto was the shit before patch 13, still good

[snow pendant]

i play as grenadier vet , regen grenades , elite + special kill with 5% to regen grenades and ammo crate gives grenades i clear the screen everytime a horde comes

i nvr get boxed in

[snow pendant]

that is fine , i often in turn keep their surrounding clean

we cooperate

[raw apex]

true! I've been getting slightly annoyed with my buddies for just never pinging anything. I don't know how many times I've had to repeat myself to PING. LOL

[snow pendant]

but some idiots is just too stupid for their own good

[snow pendant]

is great anything that isnt wearing thicc enough armor cant even get close to smell you

[raw apex]

I ALWAYS focus snipers too, they are my priority number one.

[snow pendant]

this is also part of fatshark fault for making the fire curtain that raise 10 feet up in the air

[raw apex]

I was a zealot once and shit you not, my teammates just refused to kill the sniper, and we all got wiped... I'm melee... why I gotta do the shoosting?

[nimble sentinel]

fire, snipers, trappers, dogs, gunners, shooters, chaff

I think that's my order

[snow pendant]

i've been in teams of 2-3 vets none of the shooting at the sniper far away instead shooting at some random shotgunner few feet away

[candid bridge]

ANYONE CALL FOR A BOOM

[obtuse raft]

If it's pubs you ALWAYS have to do the shooting. Can't ever assume it will be taken care of.

[snow pendant]

i just leave that game

if they cant even kill 1 sniper when a squad arrive i dont wanna deal with it

[raw steppe]

it's not his ROLE bruh, he's tanking; it's the VET'S job to kill all the enemies

[south garnet]

I've learned from lots of pub matches the best way to eliminate snipers is to poke your head out until you see all of their lasers and hear windup sounds, so you know where they are, then sprint into the largest open area possible - It's important you don't slide while performing this expert procedure

[raw steppe]

just wanna be a little facetious

and make fun of these types of players LOL

[snow pendant]

i wish i can just shove these vets out of cover and use them as meat shield against the snipers

[raw apex]

yeah I had two vets in the game, one of them had the quickdraw revolver, so I had to assume he would kill enemies at long range. I guess thats my mistake suddenly lel

[snow pendant]

most of the time i bring shield so i just cross the path and move on leaving them behind

u either die or kill the sniper

either way i am moving on

and i am not turning back to pick ur ass up

[raw steppe]

it absolutely is your mistake lmao; either kill it yourself or tag it until someone else kills it

but if you don't kill it yourself, you shouldn't blame your teammates if you die because of it

[south garnet]

usually revolver is great for this, but player habits aside it can be difficult if you're being suppressed by gunners or reapers to actually make shots connect at range

[snow pendant]

nvr assume they will do it tag it then get to cover

[raw apex]

of course I tagged it XD

I was aggroing the plauge ogryn, so I didn't really have time to shoot a sniper, god damn

[snow pendant]

u dont need a revolver a sniper dies from just even a small nick with a butter knife

[karmic musk]

Meanwhile everytime I ping an enemy while charging my Helbore 3, it gets killstealed by a Plasma or Revolver Vet

[snow pendant]

these vets are just shitters that cant even hit anything more than 5 meters away

[south garnet]

I mentioned revolver because that was the weapon specified in the post I responded to

[snow pendant]

that would be me when i play vet , i used to main those but now i main agrip shotgun , 1 slug for anything not crusher or mauler in the head is all i need

and i blast any rager to bits

if the slug ignore me it dies within seconds because how powerful the shotgun is against slug

it deletes it

2 slug to the head with tag will also kill crushers

1 slug to open the shield for bulwark then mag dump it before it can even turtle behind it again

should make a PSA in every class channel to turn off team ping sound so they dont get annoyed by stupid focus fire vets tag spamming

[jagged stream]

As a general rule of thumb on any class I play, I assume i must kill everything in the map myself and that my teammates are incompetent.

[raw apex]

yeah, sadly after 100.3 hours in the game, I understand this now and always assume this. Braced auto-gun and still I somehow manage to kill most snipers before my team can. Thankfully my buddies are larning more and more about target priorities, especially after a couple of Shock Troupe runs, trial by fire XD

[snow pendant]

my mistake to assume they are even able to at least deal with poxwalkers and groaners horde on their own

[robust mesa]

Plasma go brrrr

[raw apex]

no no no, WHUUMd

[robust mesa]

Whomp.whomp brrrr psssshhh

Vet/smite pysker = ez win too bad theyre a witch tho

I love making brain burst psykers mald with the pointus deletus

[raw apex]

yeah not a fan of brain burst

but I do like the shocky

[robust mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/plasma-gun-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-fire-power-youtube-absolutely-nothing-death-korps-of-krieg-gif-26550077

I would like a good shotty build tho that sounds fun