veteran-class

[hexed imp]

Like the eviscerator touches the ceiling of your screen

[fresh mango]

Dec 5th.

[hexed imp]

Instead of the angled overhead

[amber cliff]

SHUT UP

[patent valley]

there is some truth to this

like mutants for example, i'd like an angled one

mainly its due to trying to dodging while hitting something

friend predicts its next week

[amber cliff]

good

[patent valley]

since the last traitor curse came a week after trailer

[amber cliff]

if its tomorrow ill cry

[patent valley]

tears of joy

[amber cliff]

no ill be mad

cause ill be working

i don't wanna be working retail while everyone else is having FUN damn it

[hollow turtle]

Thing I'm struggling with. Cyberpunk is getting another update in like 2 days. Darktide getting Carnival Part II, I'm thinking next week too.
And my RTX 4070 ain't coming in until the 11th.

[mystic belfry]

Easy

Just don’t play cyberpunk

[fresh mango]

it won’t be tomorrow, it’ll be the 5th

[remote nebula]

paiiiiiin, I had to start Remnant 2 without my new GPU, and surprisingly it still ran on a GTX 1060 GB, and Darktide ran fine back then too (also have RTX 4070 now)

can't run psycho raytracing in the DLC areas in Cyberpunk, everywhere else is fine with balanced DLSS with grame gen

I'm on 1440p

[lilac eagle]

Personally I hate the angled over heard, wish it was just pure cleaving swings

[patent valley]

i get u

but honestly, heavy attacks aint even that worth it

if u do a crit reset build with zealot dash, u just need light attacks

[lilac eagle]

I don't know if I was just high or something, but on my evics I swear light attack had a higher damage number too

[patent valley]

it does

100%

[lilac eagle]

Whhhhhy

[patent valley]

idk

i wanna ask why guns dont have run n gun blessings

like the braced autogun and infantry autogun

where their run n gun blessings at?

u give it to psyker staffs ffs

like fking sticks get those blessings, why cant guns

its in the name, run n gun

[grim scarab]

A lot of the blessing pool design involves deliberately not allowing you to get what your weapon desperately needs, while giving you blessings that enhance what the weapon already excels (or doesn't need)

[spark hamlet]

Excited for the talent pruning

[umbral scaffold]

does Make Every Shot Count penance work on quickplay aswell?

[patent valley]

if it doesnt say "only earnable in private" then yes

[umbral scaffold]

thank you

[spark hamlet]

Best of luck getting it

Frayed my sanity something bad

What worked for me eventually was a badly rolled / profane plasma gun

[umbral scaffold]

counting on that

[stoic tinsel]

anyone got any good recommendations for a bolter build?

[spark hamlet]

I’ve heard people recommend shotguns

[umbral scaffold]

hard to miss with shotgun eh

will try it with bolt this time, plasma aint worked my aim sucks

[spark hamlet]

I wouldn’t bolt

[whole moon]

Shotgun or revolver w low ammo stat. You can unload into bulwark shields too I think (unless they changed it)

[spark hamlet]

It likes to double tap when gifted way to often

Hip fired*

[safe mountain]

^

[umbral scaffold]

better not to hipfire then, noted

[stoic tinsel]

oh, i thought you responding to me for a sec lol

yeah bolt double taps when you hip fire

[spark hamlet]

I haven’t used bolter much, feels outclassed by plasma

[stoic tinsel]

probably
Plasma feels a bit easer to use

but a bolter is...well a bolter...it go bang bang

is executioners stance the way to go? or are there any builds that work around the stealth maybe?

[grim scarab]

I only run bolter with exec to compensate the slow draw and janky recoil reset

Also you can avoid double tapping in hip fire by aiming after shooting the first round

[placid portal]

Surgical plink plink Plongs

Middle tree is pretty based imo

[stoic tinsel]

the middle abilty?
Or the keystone?

[placid portal]

ye

keystone is really good bc you can maintain Deadshot

+targetdown

[spark hamlet]

I’m a plasma addict. Forgotten what ads’ing looks like

[placid portal]

Don't worry

Empra guides your shots

[stoic tinsel]

maintain deadshot?
sorry still learning

[placid portal]

ah

[spark hamlet]

Just position the crosshairs over the enemy gunners heads and listen for the dopamine noise

[placid portal]

Deadshot drains stamina while ADS'ing

also drains stamina while shooting as well during ADS

[stoic tinsel]

yes
does it not work if you have no stam?

[placid portal]

Target down recovers 5% stamina/toughness per stack if marked target is killed

[placid portal]

no which is why it's good

Even if you spam mark targets you can get 2 stacks at bare minimum bc it builds up really fast

[stoic tinsel]

so you need stam toget the crit bonus
and target down gets you extra stam for killing marked targets
sounds like a good combo

ill try that out

[placid portal]

Ofc there is an alternative is Duck and Dive which allows you to recover stamina from dodging ranged attacks as well

30% per successful ranged dodge

[stoic tinsel]

ye

Sounds like deadshot is the thing use for the bolter?

[placid portal]

Yep

Crit boltgun is really good

Surgical + Pinning fire for best results

downside is Crushers will still take alot of shots to bring down

[stoic tinsel]

i cant remember my current blessings rn
Pinning and something else, but it isnt surgical

i think shattering?

[forest maple]

Anyone here currently running weapon customization mod? Need to ask something really quick

[placid portal]

yee

[remote nebula]

some tips for Make Every Shot Count, revolver was the easiest, shotguns might still be bugged and each pellet might count as a miss or something xD who knows what the bug was/is. anyway, don't be afraid to pick up more ammo. you just need to have no ammo AT THE END :3

[forest maple]

Ok so, anyone using the mod, do you guys actually get hit markers when using ADS with other sights/scopes? Cause i'm not.

[remote nebula]

if you have 54 shots or whatever it is, and you miss 6 of those, it's over. unless you pick up more ammo! shoot 100 shots! or 200! just as long as you hit over 90% of them overall

[placid portal]

pretty sure it should

[stoic tinsel]

my bane for that one is the last enemy would be a special...and it would give me ammo...

[placid portal]

Just don't run scavenger

[remote nebula]

spec out of survivalist

[placid portal]

[remote nebula]

or scavenger or whatever

[stoic tinsel]

oh right, the trees changed that

[placid portal]

take fire team or somethin

[remote nebula]

yis you can opt out of it :3

[quiet token]

Should I use the hellbore or the standard lasgun??

[stoic tinsel]

i was doing it before the trees

it happened every time

[placid portal]

Your take, helbore got good stopping power vs heavier targets but have bad handling when it comes to swapping back and forth

Mk1 & 2 will give you the best ease of use

Kantrael is decent with a really reliable sights, minus the fact the gun's recoil does affect the effective firing rate at longer ranges

Helbore has pretty stable aiming stance

[stoic tinsel]

you seem like a vet with some experience
any good accatran builds?

[umbral scaffold]

May be a bug with the latest version look around and ask in the mods channel

Are you sure you’re getting the hit?

[forest maple]

Yeah i've played 3 matches already and tested it extensively on the psykarium

[umbral scaffold]

Some sights on certain guns may be off

[forest maple]

the "X" from hitting doesnt appear when i aim with sights other than default

[umbral scaffold]

Try an older version of the mod too I get hit markers

[placid portal]

unfortunately I have never touched Accratan

XDDDD

[forest maple]

I'll try it later

thanks again

[umbral scaffold]

Time Machine back to patch 13

Accatran more like accatrash unfortunately

[stoic tinsel]

i lack a time machine
so we make do

[untold mulch]

Good Accatran build is when you equip it

use it 2 seconds in the psykanium, and then change to another weapon that Fatshark bothered to give a single fuck

[crude wind]

I'm doing an Accatran video for the next patch

[umbral scaffold]

The accatran used to be the closest thing we had to a hellgun. Now it’s the closest thing we have to proof of a godless existence

[untold mulch]

THere is no good accatran build, you can do a decent one with the marksman keystone and onslaught, but is not good

[crude wind]

RECON ROUGHNECKS

[untold mulch]

Accaatran now is Lasgun as memes or SM books depict it

[untold mulch]

👀

[umbral scaffold]

If you want a rapid fire lasgun may I suggest the mg iv tho good sir

[untold mulch]

With fullauto mod, laspistol and MG IV are options

[crude wind]

there's definitely a build there, just need them to hurry up and release this patch!

[untold mulch]

Personally laspistol feels better because his Flak damage isn't shit

[umbral scaffold]

The mg iv is my new favorite weapon in the game beating out the mg12

Also comes with a cool holo sight

[stoic tinsel]

okay, so since the word good seems to have triggerd a fight/flight response

how about a Working accatran build

(ill keep the pistol and MG IV in mind, ill play around with that see if i like it)

[untold mulch]

I assume in 2 days if they keep their usual schedules

[untold mulch]

fight/flight response
🤣

You ain't wrong

Everytime someone says Accatran and good in any sentence

PTSD attack for a good chunk of this channel

I have seen it rise, and be murdered

[umbral scaffold]

Crit and rending build was what made accatran amazing during patch 13. It’s not as good now since they massively nerfed the rending nodes but it gives the recon some more power

[untold mulch]

as I said, Onslaught talent and full marksman focus make it decentish

you are drinking ammo like is water

[crude wind]

i am about to offer a ritual sacrifice to bring about this result

[mystic nimbus]

guys

[umbral scaffold]

IAG does the same thing as recon but people won’t leave the lobby if they see you have it equipped

[crude wind]

we'll start with minor farm animals and go all the way up to my first born if need be

[mystic nimbus]

sound good to me, what do ou think?

[placid portal]

IAGs do be having the chunkiest 2.7x weakpoint/crit damage modifier

[placid portal]

decent start

[untold mulch]

[untold mulch]

Not a great roll, but it will make do

[umbral scaffold]

The recon was so fun during the first skill tree rework

[untold mulch]

FR

[placid portal]

it do be really good

[umbral scaffold]

I miss melting crushers with the right build

[placid portal]

then they gutted it

[untold mulch]

It was a religious experience

[umbral scaffold]

Enemies were trivial with the recon

[untold mulch]

gutted it, shot it

hanged it on the entrance for all to see

a threat, a warning

[umbral scaffold]

You could merk crushers in about 20 shots. Now with the same build it’ll take about 50 shots

[untold mulch]

I wouldn't even be mad

[placid portal]

[untold mulch]

if they didn't did the BS of the shocktrooper

Rending changes? absolutely

Changing shocktrooper?

Comehere

that was just mean

[stoic tinsel]

i aint usin no auto gun!
this is 40k lasers, bolts, and plasma, or bust

[placid portal]

wait shocktrooper got changed?

[untold mulch]

I use a mod to mke autoguns look and sound like las

[umbral scaffold]

Bust a cap my man

[stoic tinsel]

never

[umbral scaffold]

I mean look at what the dregs are using

It’s not out of place

[placid portal]

Them laser pointer aint got shit when I pull out the .75cal boltgun

[untold mulch]

Shcoktrooper was stealth changed to have an internal CD

but that CoolDown only really applies to guess what weapon

[placid portal]

[stoic tinsel]

im in the guard, not some dinky militia!

[placid portal]

OFC They have to kill recon for good

[untold mulch]

Recon changes were told to be otherwise

but I am 99% sure

it was a panic nerf

There was no thought behind it

only bring everything down

No craft, no art, just mindless it can't be allowed

[placid portal]

A literal lynching

[umbral scaffold]

It was I felt like the recon was almost meta at some point with that build

[untold mulch]

It was pretty good, S tier

[untold flame]

It wasnt even that good

[umbral scaffold]

A gun that’s good at killing anything? Shut it down

[untold mulch]

Except maniacs

Ragers still busted my ass 💀

[untold mulch]

Yeah, it was good but

not omg, this is a nuke good

[umbral scaffold]

It was heavily dependent on having the right build as well which is why I guess it was considered broken

By itself the recon was the same old dinky laser pointer

But with the special crit rending build it melted crushers

[cerulean void]

which is really funny because it was/is still an ammo hose

[untold mulch]

With shocktrooper it was fine

maybe a bit much, but imo the shcoktrooper nerf killed it

[sharp ember]

shocktrooper was the life of that build

having almost near inexhaustible ammo

[umbral scaffold]

It was a hellgun

[sharp ember]

probably woulda been fairly balanced if reverse falloff was the only thing they took away

[umbral scaffold]

Make recon great again

[untold flame]

Recons need either higher base damage or vastly better ammo economy

Probably a bit of both

[umbral scaffold]

Yea both

Maybe the recon should just no longer exist

Too much damage and what would be the point of laspistols, and mg4

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[umbral scaffold]

@fart shart just delete the recon from the game spare us the pain

Infact

@games workshop retcon the recon lasgun from existence. Elysian drop troops were just using las pistols with an auto clicker the whole time

[untold mulch]

Imo i would have been happy with a niche of them just having a shit ton of ammo

you ain't winning any dps race, but you will win the marathon

[spare wolf]

To be fair

Recon las 6d still gets the jobs done when you are primarily killing shooters and gunners/dogs/trapper and stuff

[ebon umbra]

i like the idea of giving the recon lots of ammo.

[spare wolf]

Other 2 recon las are hot garbage at pretty much anything

[ebon umbra]

maybe make the recon a suppress machine but there is the possibility of the hellgun coming out in..eventually

it makes sense a shit ton of fire would keep heads down

fills a niche

make recon smite for shooters

[crude wind]

Do you know what would make recon good

20% rending

[eternal sable]

108 specials killed lol

[untold mulch]

Why would it have it though

[spare wolf]

No it wouldn't

[untold mulch]

Most calm shocktrooper gauntlet

[spare wolf]

Stack all the rending you can get for recon las

[eternal sable]

those guys were typing to me btw

[spare wolf]

Still shit

[untold mulch]

nothing is saving that ammo

[eternal sable]

aye when you have a backline vet

thats doing something

[untold mulch]

[eternal sable]

hehe

i always run ammo aura so they cant cry

[untold mulch]

It feels good when people in chat hype you up

[eternal sable]

if they dont wanna stay in coherency

[untold mulch]

Happened to me 2 days ago

[eternal sable]

they flamed me tho

[untold mulch]

oh

bruh

[crude wind]

think about it for a sec and see if you can guess

[untold mulch]

I realized afterwards that maybe as doubling down on its Las nature

In the end any Las will kill anything

eventually

[untold flame]

I see the niche for recon being a full auto gun that requires less control than iag

They should be lower dps than most other options because they require less from the shooter

[ebon umbra]

plasma feels pretty low effort but i might be biased

[rain steppe]

This is my placeholder until I find something better, what would you guys reroll on this? Running power sword with it if that affects anything

Reload speed to Flak or Maniac? and then Falter to something

[eternal sable]

headunter

[cloud leaf]

whats best perks for plasma gun. and gloryhunter or blaze away which one beter

[eternal sable]

toughness on kill is useless

[ebon umbra]

depends on talents i think but blaze away is probably always way better

you might be able to meet that dmg without blaze away

but especially after patch 14 blaze away is p important

[cloud leaf]

ok what about perks. ive been doing unarmored and unyielding but should i do maniac and elite dmg/weakspot

[ebon umbra]

take maniac

go carapace most of the time

can you one shot dreg gunners atm with weakspot?

[sharp ember]

unarmored secures dreg gunner1 headshot

[ebon umbra]

thanks

[sharp ember]

that's about it

[ebon umbra]

i think at this point it is preference but i'd lean towards wiping those dregs

[rain steppe]

Not without buffs stacked it seems

[cloud leaf]

its like 24 dmg short of 1 shot

for both gunners

guess it doesnt matter cuz i can tag them with focus target first anyways

[ebon umbra]

i always have to remind myself

yellow= dreg
black green= scab

[cloud leaf]

dregs look like dregs

[south garnet]

it helps if you remember scabs are like basically ex union employees

who are mad about the bonus situation

they look basically human and dress human

[ebon umbra]

me rn

[safe vector]

What are decent blessings for the Bolter?

Looking for more fun factor over absolute meta

[south garnet]

pinning fire no matter what

[safe vector]

Thank goodness I got that

[south garnet]

then your choice between shattering fire which got nerfed to the point many don't take it, or cavalcade which is crit on mag expenditure

you could also take surgical if you want to snipe with it regularly

[safe vector]

I never considered Cavalcade. It sounds like the ultimate magdumper

[south garnet]

or glory kill or whatever it's called if you tend to save bolter for magdump shit hit the fan situations

[safe vector]

This is what I got

Good 'nuff?

[eternal sable]

thats good

although i wouldnt go with gloryhunter

[south garnet]

Seems fine, the t2 blessing is a bit of a bummer but it's playable

[eternal sable]

im not sure what the bolter meta is now

[safe vector]

The perks were abyssmal, so that's why I prio'd them over gloryhunter

[eternal sable]

i assume surgical?

shattering + pinning

was og

[safe vector]

Talking, T1 crit chance, and 10% damage to pox

[ebon umbra]

[untold flame]

Surgical pinning seems a good balance to me

Run it with exe stance for instant swap

Not sure on perks tbh

[cedar pecan]

Is there a build somewhere for getting the "On overwatch" penance done?

[ebon umbra]

running no keystones, all ranged nodes and superiority, do you need 80% dmg to one tap scab gunners on the body?? on my acc with 77% dmg i am off using nearly the exact same stat weapons and builds

[ebon umbra]

i would just play like a bitch and run shout

i wouldnt actively try to go for it imo.

but if you are good luck

[cedar pecan]

well it's the only armor penance I have left, I will get 2 new helmets once I get it done

[ebon umbra]

[cedar pecan]

I have a few other penances but they are trivial, just completing missions and whatnot, so I will get them without focusing anyway

[radiant cargo]

I'm playing a pretty balanced vet having fun with the infantry auto guns; but I'm having ammo issues, and the rest of my build/play style doesn't use executioners stance, or go down the rows with ammo buffs. Is there a go-to single shot las rifle or full auto las that best fits that close to mid range hard hitting playstyle as the infantry auto guns so I can be less of an ammo hog?

[plucky cosmos]

is this any good? its for my lvl 27 vet

how important is penetration tho

[inland orchid]

How important is armored enemies that want u dead

[flat pebble]

you should be able to cheese it in a premade if you really wanted to

[cedar pecan]

I don't have anyone to group up with

I tried in LFG but nobody responded

[plucky cosmos]

hmmm

okay lemme just earn the blessing then

and look for a better one

[inland orchid]

Is a decent shovel, ain’t the best but bottom roll pen doesn’t do it too many favors

I’d personally snag it for thrust, shovel got a handful of impact already

[inland orchid]

I’ll hop on with ya fellow reject, u enjoy ammo mules?

[untold flame]

My only real rec is to run a very safe meele wep like a shovel or knife

Then just play super pussy

[cedar pecan]

As in you hoarding ammo?

I won't mind

[inland orchid]

Emperor no I got scav aura

[viral nacelle]

shoot less, stab more?

[inland orchid]

All the ammo belong to us

[viral nacelle]

i run deadshot col iag and the scavenger thing and i find i have plenty of ammo

[cedar pecan]

Bear in mind I'm in the EU region though

[viral nacelle]

and otherwise go hard with melee stuff

[inland orchid]

Lightweight I play with people in the south when I’m in east US

https://tenor.com/view/light-weight-gif-21674454

I aint locked in with the frames they’re locked in with me

[radiant cargo]

I do a lot of melee. I'm just looking for the best options for trying out other guns without tweaking the build a lot.

[viral nacelle]

that dude has ogryn tier titties

[cedar pecan]

Alright cool, now I just have to figure out how partying up works in this game

[viral nacelle]

vraks7?

it has a more semi auto feel

[inland orchid]

Use the code in my nickname on the social tab of darktide, is a little thing at the bottom right called “find player”

Is a little new so I don’t blame u for not understanding it

[cedar pecan]

oh I found it

[cedar pecan]

I got the game last week lol

[flat pebble]

that’s ronnie coleman isn’t it

“that dude” lol

[inland orchid]

Nice I got a copious amounts of hours myself, played since the open beta

[cedar pecan]

well that's good to know, sounds like the task won't be impossible

[flat pebble]

again there is always the cheese so yeah

[inland orchid]

I’ll cover ur ass reject but don’t expect it to be easy

I know when I got mine in a pub that shit had me on the edge of my seat

[cedar pecan]

I took an auto pistol so I'll just dodge a lot and spray

[viral nacelle]

i dont really follow the big titty community tbh

[flat pebble]

a crying shame

[cedar pecan]

or I could just jump off a railing and have the rest of the team complete the mission for me

[flat pebble]

he’s considered one of the greatest all time body builders

[viral nacelle]

here's from the pins: #veteran-class message

[flat pebble]

up there with arnold

[viral nacelle]

good for him? glad he has a hobby

[inland orchid]

Dope shredder pistol goes crazy mobility wise

[flat pebble]

is nice to have something** you like to do yeah

[inland orchid]

I like the las pistol myself mobility wise but it lacks the horde clearing that the shredder offers

[flat pebble]

wow that was a different sentence at first accidentally

why u horde clearing with ur ranged

[cedar pecan]

thought so, my only task is not to get hit, malice itself shouldn't be too hard

[flat pebble]

[inland orchid]

Dope just pass me a few mins before we run this, gotta deal with pet things

Changing food n water that kinda shit

[cedar pecan]

np I'll wait

just ping me when you're ready

[inland orchid]

Word glad to have given u hope, let’s see if I can keep it going

[cedar pecan]

I just completed make every shot count and deadeye with randoms so I got that going for me in terms of motivation

[inland orchid]

thats fuckin dope i havent gotten the 0 ammo penace yet myself

[ebon umbra]

monstro modifier is good for the 0 ammo penance im p sure thas how i got that

[untold flame]

I just used kantrael shotty and took my time aiming

[ebon umbra]

it felt easier to get the 90% accuracy penance on mael bcuz there are so many targets

shotty prob works better

[untold flame]

Also just unloading on an end section poxer horde

Brings ur acc up nicely

[cedar pecan]

I can tell you how I did it if you're interested

[nimble sentinel]

I wanna get roasted for this new keystoneless build I'm trying to cook

Shock Trooper + Determined cause I am me and I like my MG IV
Fire team because tax man said no/another veteran brings survivalist/more hurtful dakka
Fully Loaded because no Survivalist
Kraks because csword is only okay at carapace

probably gona trade ET for CC

or I give in and commit to my columnus

[rugged goblet]

I use a somewhat similar with one extra point in the middle. I don't know if it's any good but I like it.

And agile engagement because helbore. I've scratched some points from the right side

[muted knot]

Is ther any point in salvaging this ?

[half ginkgo]

I am wondering if I have a 25 cara locked on Bolter should I roll second perk into 25 unyielding? Blessings are standard Shattering and Pinning.

[half ginkgo]

Barrage is meh, both perks are off really

So no imho

[eternal sable]

even more sadness

[half ginkgo]

You may roll to orange just to fish for t4 to unlock

[inland orchid]

aight im back from gato care, ill be in strike team 19 vc

or we could dm call if u wanna fuck around and find out with 2 pub broskis

[half ginkgo]

best shovel so far

[eternal sable]

slap uncanny on that badboy

[cedar pecan]

Alright, I'll be right there

[half ginkgo]

that's the plan just don't have uncanny for now (at t2 best)

[eternal sable]

i got this unfortunately

griefed

[half ginkgo]

thats a good shove also

[eternal sable]

yeah but skullcrusher is a trigger

[half ginkgo]

i mean with my shovel rolls hadron puts thunderstrike on 90% of them

i saw so many thunderstrike III rolls I am now triggered

[viral nacelle]

Vraks7 with deadshot is actually pretty fun

Altho if you have a gunlugger ammo goblin it gets a little dicey keeping it loaded lol

A general strategy of shitting out as many crits as you possibly can seems to be a decent way to go this patch

[half ginkgo]

agreed, any ammo goblin can be an issue, tho my personal issue with vraks 7 is crusher packs. its way to slow to proc crits with surgical for my liking

bolter mag dump or plasma spam is faster there

[celest vine]

I usually have a power sword for them

Or krak

Both can kill pretty well

You can roll a powersword good at killing crushers and clearing hordes

[viral nacelle]

That’s why deadshot, stamina curios and kraks. I’ve been clearing them out ok

[gusty bison]

Bolter mag dump? It barely kills 1 crusher per clip now

Dont think it can do 2 unless ur hitting several headshots

[fallow escarp]

Has anybody tried out the headhunter autoguns after the patch? How are they looking?

[karmic musk]

Hit heads or zdps

[tall marsh]

Where does one get this headgear? Or is it a paid cosmetic?

[scenic bronze]

Take your crisp 20$ bill and invest it, the next time it rotates you will have $20.04

Do you feel the fomo now mr crabs

[languid escarp]

what rotates

[scenic bronze]

Shop

[willow badger]

how do you guys zoom out to take ss of the talent tree

[trim hemlock]

This is a premium cosmetic item indeed

[tiny summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9abcf4ea-4ba5-49e4-a299-974b6b227c1e

[fallow escarp]

i tried out the vrak 7 headhunter autogun and oh my god it fucks

using a deadshot crit build for it and it just taps everything

[quick fossil]

Hmm I suck at aiming. Are there guns that let me just dump a bunch of leads or laser or whatever and still murder elites pretty fast ?

[hallow moat]

Columnus mk V

@quick fossil

[quick fossil]

Ahh sounds good. Will try to build for it

[tall marsh]

I see, thank you! Damn shame that it is lol

[woeful galleon]

Man, waiting for the premium cosmetics to rotate till you get what you want is so frustrating. Actually need to wait to pay real money.

[muted yarrow]

Bla bla bla making it time base makes you feel like you have to buy it bla bla Marketing bla bla

[serene bough]

Someone's grumpy

[junior needle]

Brautos are generally recommended for a hip fire playstyle, in part because at least one gets (or at least did previously, not sure now) better accuracy while hip firing

Columnis IAG is insanely overtuned so if you don't want/need to hip fire explicitly then it's very good

[woeful galleon]

Lol, Yeah I'm guessing it's not exactly a new talk in here uh? Joined the discord just a couple days ago but I can imagine you'll get a bunch of this.

[quick fossil]

Ohh. I don't mind aiming down sights. Just that I won't be landing headshot that much so I rather just dump a bunch of rounds on bodyshots

[tall torrent]

It is very annoying yea

[junior needle]

IAG's are finesse weapons, so they do considerably more on headshots. However the gun is so strong you can just bodyshot for well above average dps. When (if) it gets adjusted, which is likely but not in any way confirmed, a brauto would probably be your best bet.

If recon lasguns get taken out of the dumpster then those may be to your liking, even though they do benefit from headshots with headhunter. We'll have to see if they get any buffs and what the new talent changes are.

@quick fossil

[quick fossil]

Damn

Hmm yea I guess I will give that a try. Braced autoguns are cool but I do want to snipe those pesky enemies far away too and braced auto feels like it is hard to snipe those sniper or gunners far away

[junior needle]

Columnus can struggle a bit with longer range as well, so you'll want to burst fire for that.

Brautos require the TECHNIQUE last I checked

In which you stop moving, crouch, brace for more accuracy

[quick fossil]

Ohh crouching increasing accuracy? Nice

[delicate moat]

what if prone

[tall torrent]

It reduces your recoil a noticeable amount for longer ranges or for getting headshots

[serene sage]

Boltgun

[junior needle]

Isnt bolter a finesse weapon now

[serene sage]

No really, you can body shot with it, just learn to tap fire so you don't miss due to recoil

[serene sage]

Yes and no

[quick fossil]

I don't see ppl using it so I thought it got nerfed or something.

[serene sage]

It actually got massively buffed

The thing is it's still clunky

With really high, probably highest, in game swap speed

[quick fossil]

But eh yea ... the recoil is crazy so I usually dislike weapons with big recoils

[serene sage]

Okay then fair

[quick fossil]

Just prefer auto weapons with low recoils and that columnus does feel like a pew pew laser painter lol

[flat pebble]

it lost some ohk headshot breakpoints on zealot with the health pool changes so a lot of zealots don’t run it anymore

[dreamy lantern]

ye its like 1.0 finesse now

does beeeeg crits

[serene sage]

That or wait until the recon got buffed

[flat pebble]

it’s easier to make use of on vet now in comparison

[willow badger]

deathspitter, fire frenzy, stripped down. pick two

for a columus

[flat pebble]

where’s dumdum

[willow badger]

have to roll it sadly

[serene sage]

Well Bolter still depends on how you build it

Because high finesse yes, but also really high sway and terrible under suppression

You need determine if you want to use it as a finesse weapon

A lot of builds don't have points for Determine

So you just end up body shotting

[dreamy lantern]

marksman focus bolter

[flat pebble]

is the blessing combo pf surg now or shattering surge?

for vet

[serene sage]

Either

[flat pebble]

i have yet to give it a shot since patch 13 on vet as a zealot main

[serene sage]

Surg Shattering is also cool

I tested it

Probably surg Shattering if you want a Marksman build actually

Otherwise you won't kill Carapace

[flat pebble]

surg pf probably better as a marksman for the more easily secured ohk follow up shots in groups?

hmmm

[serene sage]

And you don't need PF to break any breakpoints if you headshot

Well any combination of the 3 is viable

Ig that's the bottom line

[flat pebble]

with a bolter i’m kind of hoping with pf and surg stacks you’re getting back into body tap ohk territory

[serene sage]

Yeah but without Shattering it feels terrible killing Carapace

[flat pebble]

yeah i believe that

you basically need chastise in zealot now for bolter

for both ammo economy and damage

[serene sage]

How does Chastise help?

Do you get rending or something

[flat pebble]

chastise while active effectively degrades all existing armor one tier for ranged weapons

so crusher packs become flak armor packs

and accordingly mauler packs become unarmored packs

[serene sage]

Oh what the hell lmao

[flat pebble]

it doesn’t effect the perk damage interactions obviously but it’s what makes bolter so excellent on zealot

in those peak moments zealot makes insane use of bolter

outside of those moments zealot bolter was mostly used for occasional marksman shooting but like i’ve griped about it’s harder to make good use of the bolter as a marksman rifle on zealot after patch 13 so it’s kinda lost half the reason to use it

[serene sage]

Does it bring Unyielding down to Carapace though

Because that would actually hurt a lot xD

[flat pebble]

lol no

it’s just a way to describe the functional degradation of damage resist

chastise actually makes the laspistol nuts at boss damage

beast of nurgle blister in view, laspistol+chastise will fuck it up hard

[frank ether]

when will the patch land

[slow spade]

Next week

[ebon umbra]

@serene sage i have been using tinkerer instead of 4 nades

def feels worth

i kinda miss the suppression bonus from my extra talent but oh god the shredder stonks

[elder vessel]

I hope the new chaxe variant comes with a Chaxe buff

[analog blaze]

Watch them just nerf the push attack and call it a day lmao

[sour elbow]

worth getting of melk?

[thick rose]

whos better than us

[flat pebble]

first target kinda low

but it looks usable

[sour elbow]

I was thinking the blessings honestly.

[flat pebble]

yeah the blessings are fine

at the very least take uncanny 4

but if you swap the perks out that’s a totally usable knife

[junior needle]

Mercy killer/uncanny is ideal direct damage for a knife, but ONLY if you have consistent source of bleed on hit. So you'd have to take the bleed on hit in the tree for that setup to work.

[flat pebble]

precog outpaces mercy killer

[junior needle]

Vet crits considerably less than zealot so you won't get as much consistency out of flesh tearer

[flat pebble]

finesse > weakspot damage

[junior needle]

Huh, when did that change

[flat pebble]

fleshtearer imo is fine because it’s actually enough bleed to do real damage

[flat pebble]

it’s just how finesse works, buffs weakspot damage and crit damage whereas weakspot is just weakspot

also precog itself got a buff

[junior needle]

Oh precog is 2s on successful dodge

True finesse is better than weakspot, but that's also much more conditional uptime

[flat pebble]

eh you should be dodging all the time on the knife in combat

it’s like one of its key strengths

[junior needle]

You should, but you aren't necessarily always "successful" dodging

[smoky geyser]

Is the power sword bad? all I see people use for vets are either the chainsword or knife

[flat pebble]

not even a little lol

ps6 is arguably one of the strongest melee weapons in the entire game

[junior needle]

Power sword is very good right now, although at low levels/casual gameplay you may see people not using it due to lack of power cycler

[junior needle]

It is, but zealot just has overwhelmingly more crit and they can reliably proc it all the time even on trash, so it is much less effective on vet even with melee crit from the tree.

[smoky geyser]

Okay I have been playing on heresy but all I see from other vets was chainsword and knife and wanted to know if they knew something I didn't

thanks

[flat pebble]

youd definitely be needing to use the crit node/talent for vet

fleshtearer mostly useful for things like bulwarks, bosses, ragers and other elites you might not feel confident heavying, it’s gonna get flesh tearer bleed stacks with a light spam, inevitably

part of the thing about bleed i think people overlook both to its positive and detriment is that it’s specifically good in chunky enemies so for sure flesh tearer isn’t finding use in a crowd where mercy killer would because bleed is just the thing activating it, or precog which is obvious

but wrt to dude’s knife above imo the best option is just switching the perks

[rancid echo]

what else do i want on this?

[frank ether]

I got one way worse just for uncanny IV last week

[frank ether]

hot take but mk3 would likely still function without it

[torn gorge]

its also not really suited for people that do not want to follow strict combo patterns and do not have the situational awareness to keep enemies in front only

[frank ether]

with the amount of attack speed veteran gets

you can just spam heavies at head level

and be fine

with something like slaughterer+bm

not ideal but probably not terrible either

[flat pebble]

we’ll need to see the final blessing

but you want brutal momentum

[junior needle]

Yep, I find it grating to use because I hate the constant charging and that's hardly a unique opinion.

[junior needle]

It could "function", but would be considerably inferior to just using a devil claw.

[torn gorge]

if you gonna use an unpowered weapon might aswell opt for something else tbh

like dclaw

being way more safe, flexible in the usage

or just straight out overpowering opponents with caxes

[trim steppe]

brutal momentem blessing. grats on PC4!

Also swap out the crit perk and you're golden

[junior needle]

Brutal momentum or sunderer. Brutal seems like a strange choice at a glance, but has the benefit of letting you do "first target" damage to multiple enemies. So the end result is you can kill multiple bruisers in a swing with it.

Sunder is strong but in a different way, as it lets you cleave through more targets and importantly, through crushers and bulwark shields. So you can hit more things in a mixed horde.

[rancid echo]

whats the good one to have for perk?

flak?

[trim steppe]

I dont think I've played around with Sunder very much in the last several patches, i'll have to give it a go again

[junior needle]

I heard someone say recently that you don't need flak on the psword as it is now, but I haven't personally confirmed it. If that's the case then carapace is fine too.

[trim steppe]

Flak's always good, unyielding or carapace or elite damage are all good too. I'd take it in the psyhkanium and see what you wish you could kill faster

You rolled maniac and PC4 so you cant brick it, you can swap out that crit perk into something else and play around

[flat pebble]

i have maniac+elite but power sword kinda does what it wants anyway

[flat pebble]

yeah was thinking the same thing

[junior needle]

Yeah you got the perfect outcome

[flat pebble]

but if they get BM they could get both perks changed around for different specs

[rancid echo]

ive been bricking all my other weapons so this is nice

lol

basically resource broke

[flat pebble]

also it’s a very fucking good stat base on that sword tbph

that’s excellently rolled

[trim steppe]

You hit the jackpot on this PS roll, enjoy it my friend

[rancid echo]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-cat-gif-23815619

[trim steppe]

These are my powerswords, very happy with both of em. Still not sure what else to change on my PS3 but its nice as is so probably wait until a patch changes the meta

[torn gorge]

do you need damage vs unarmoured?

[trim steppe]

Not sure tbh, I think it helps with bruisers and gunners?

[midnight mortar]

You want flak for bruisers if anything.

Headshot weakspots for brutal momentum, flak because of their heads.

[trim steppe]

Makes sense

[flat pebble]

yeah tbh i’d switch to flak or maniac from unarmored

[trim steppe]

Probably flak then, I dunno if maniac hits any particular breakpoints, and usually I'm gunning maniac targets and slicing flak chaff

[midnight mortar]

If you're playing on or planning on playing on Aurics, there will be dense rager swarms you may not be able to completely gun down.

[flat pebble]

probably wanna keep to meleeing mutants for the extra damage generally speaking

also ragers packs are a huge plus for maniac

[midnight mortar]

I'd keep maniac since ragers are one of the biggest threats right now.

Oh wait have you used your modification slots already?

[flat pebble]

i fought 30 maniacs yesterday in three groups of ten back to back yesterday on the new map in that first objective area

[flat pebble]

just one

[trim steppe]

I play exclusively aurics. Yeah sometimes the rager hordes can be dangerous but usually i gun em down. I play plasma a lot so usually im just blasting them

[flat pebble]

psword excells in making builds not need plasma

[trim steppe]

plasma + PS is my power fantasy tho lol

[flat pebble]

besides that perk slot isn’t one and done

switch it to flak, switch it to maniac on non plasma runs

[frank ether]

I'm farming stuff for the update

so I can get a garbage roll for new shovel

[trim steppe]

Put maniac on there for the friggin hab dreko missions, the updated end section with the demon tree has like +800% ragers now

I played it with my ogryn and I spent literally 15 minutes just killing ragers and rescuing dead teammates (10 of em)

[frank ether]

I dont do melee without maniac

all my melee weapons have it

[trim steppe]

Probably smort

[trim steppe]

Whatchu mean?

[frank ether]

meaning I'll probably drop 1m ordo for the pickaxe shovel

and get a 380 with 80 mobility and 60 damage

[midnight mortar]

The incoming shovel variant.

[frank ether]

I'm actually excited for new shovel

current shovel is allright at carapace damage

but it doesnt bode well

when the game throws 6 of them at you

[still leaf]

are there particular weapons I should be practicing with to be useful in 30 content, as a nub, or is it really 'pick a flavor you like'?

[flat pebble]

functionally most everything is meta if you build it right

just don’t look at the recon lasguns

it’s really just a matter of understanding your weapons roles in your total kit

[still leaf]

kk; if I've been really enjoying the feel of the devil's claw mk4 for the melee, any particular guns I should pair it with to shore up weaknesses? I'm not super fluent in the damage : armor types in this yet

[flat pebble]

i would recommend plasma on vet for dclaw, or revolver

you want the anti armor in there

assuming you’re good with the dclaw parry or practicing with it, in which case cool beans, if you’re not good with the parry start practicing or try new weapons

[naive hatch]

That First Target roll lol

[still leaf]

it's rough but am practicing; any suggestions for other stuff I should try? shovel seems nifty, the poke to stagger seems useful. tried chainsword, felt clunky, powersword felt.. weird?

[flat pebble]

dclaws balancing takes into account the party so if you’re not using it you’re leaving a lot on the table and might consider a different melee weapon

[deep igloo]

ANYONE know good way to see how much your crt% on your weapon/build is and know a good veteran crt build?

[flat pebble]

power sword becomes S tier with power cycler 4 and kind of any combination of brutal momentum, sunder, or slaughterer (listed in order of usefulness)

[still leaf]

a lot of the stuff I read through seemed to suggest it was super low mobility; is that old / pre-rework review stuff, no longer valid?

and I'm like level.. 15 or something, for reference, so I'm basically running whatever drops or random profanes atm

[flat pebble]

i love shovel but it’s kind of a high skill cap weapon focusing on trading outright damage for mobility and the special stagger that can stagger literally everything but bosses

yeah power sword has exceptionally poor mobility as part of its balancing

[still leaf]

so power sword works better as the 'I need to clear hordes off of me' and then something else as the 'focus fire and murder things'?

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[flat pebble]

power sword hilariously is literally useful against everything

[midnight mortar]

Power sword's weaknesses lie in its poor dodge count/distance.

Misposition with it or fall off your energize rhythm and you will take damage.

[frank ether]

It has horrible mobility as a weapon and I dont think its all that good without brutal momentum personally

[midnight mortar]

And taking damage knocks you out of being energized.

[frank ether]

I like the carapace damage of it though

its a horde clear melee that can also quickly single out a crusher or two no problems

which is the value for me

the new chaxe and shovel, if any good, might replace it for me

[still leaf]

kk; I've spent a lot of time with the first infantry auto, the agri whatever, but it kicks hard. the column one feels better but I don't know if it'll fill the same gaps? and tbh having gotten to do a round with the bolter makes everything else feel noodly >>

[flat pebble]

until you hit lvl 30 and start seeing the average top range of weapon stats i wouldn’t hold onto your experience with those guns too tightly

especially consider how blessings dependent some weapons can be compared to others

[still leaf]

fair enough. basically just trying to figure out if there's mechanics I should be practicing so I'm not learning how to use weapons brand new at 30 when I could've been practicing parries, for example, during the level grind

[flat pebble]

mobility mechanics are by far the most useful things you can be developing muscle memory for

dodging and sliding are key

[still leaf]

any writeup I can review for techniques, there?

[flat pebble]

hmmm that’s a good question

the pins in all these chats are full of useful information but i don’t know if anything specifically like that

[flat pebble]

also blocking, block pushing, and knowing if your weapon has a block push attack worth using

[still leaf]

kk, will go looking around; I kinda got into vermintide, so I have some familiarity, but not like.. never did any of the actual endgame stuff. just enough to know it exists, basically

[flat pebble]

gotcha yeah! the good news is if you come in willing to learn and asking questions you’ll learn a lot in these class chats

bad news is there can be a lot to learn

[rancid echo]

practice plasma gun reload if you have one, gun is so good for carrying randoms

animation cancelling is quite important for a lot of reloads

[still leaf]

kk, will look. can always grab a profane and try it out if nothing else

[toxic leaf]

any suggestions for this

[flat pebble]

oh baby

i’d probably do cavalcade to surgical and ranged crit to carapace

[flat pebble]

word to the wise on plasmas, you’ll blow up at high heat if you charge, but there’s a mechanic where your character will automatically vent the plasma if you uncharged shot at high heat

high heat meaning highest heat ofc

[still leaf]

copy

[ruby hull]

Anyone else excited for the new laspistol?

Personally I'm hoping for a slow fire rate armor penetration laspistol

[bright cliff]

wasn’t this a bug? they patched something like this out

[midnight mortar]

What was a bug?

[toxic leaf]

nah you still auto vent if you try to regular fire above 95%

[midnight mortar]

Blowing up or auto-venting?

[bright cliff]

the auto vent part

[midnight mortar]

Because both of those are features as far as I know.

You can't die with the plasma gun firing uncharged shots.

Because you'll auto-vent instead if you were to explode.

[flat pebble]

can you expand on what “like this” means

[bright cliff]

reading patch notes hold on

[flat pebble]

i can say with full confidence in the game rn plasma works the way i just described

[lucid hinge]

its not a bug and is intentional

other weapons/abilities have something sim

[flat pebble]

so i just wanna know specifically what you’re talking about so i can try and figure out what you did read

[bright cliff]

Fixed an issue where reloading the M35 Magnacore Mk II Plasma Gun during the venting portion of the reload using the Always Prepared keystone talent gave the player infinite auto-venting.

[flat pebble]

infinite is a key word here

and also, reloading lol

very different interaction

[bright cliff]

idk man I dont use the plasma gun but I do gloss over the patch notes

my b

[flat pebble]

lol it’s cool

[sharp ember]

oh that funny bug

gave the plasma infinite heat until your next reload if i recall

meaning you could blast without stopping

[ebon umbra]

i tried it the day b4 the patch

i couldnt find any info on it besides always prepared and i never got it

How are the breakpoints for builds with weapons specialist plasma anyways?

[feral hamlet]

lads this one is salvageable right ? just swap the blessings right ?

[sharp ember]

you can do a lot better than that

at the very least, it might actually need that Unarmored to 1 headshot dreg gunners without a crit

so changing both blessings would be the play

[feral hamlet]

i know the dmg stat is a bit low

but it can work

and i dont feel like burning 20k plas for a helbore

ty tho

[junior needle]

Just keep an eye on your shop for well rolled ones, the browser extension is great for that

Helbores are actually comparatively easy to build because they have a smaller blessing pool

[hollow ibex]

i check so many times a week, it's crazy how shit 90% of the weapons are

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585807823573745665.webp?size=48&name=reeee_pdx&quality=lossless

esp the ones that have good base stats, but are blue with shit perk/blessing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585807823573745665.webp?size=48&name=reeee_pdx&quality=lossless

[junior needle]

I find it can still be worth taking the blues even if they don't hit what you want perks/blessing wise

It's much more expensive to get a good roll from brunt

[old quail]

bolter is p cool

[junior needle]

Also use the rules for the extension page if you aren't already, saves a ton of time manually looking.

[hollow ibex]

what would you use them for if they're already essentially bricked (unless you get very lucky with your remaining rolls)

[flat pebble]

post bolter and build

plzzzzzzz

[hollow ibex]

bruh how did i not notice this earlier

[sterile garnet]

outdamged by psyker

bad at game

wonder who that psyker was

looked pretty good

[mystic belfry]

That was a pretty crazy match tbh

There were so many pox bursters so often it was hard to even use sound queus

[old quail]

i dont use it too often because left side vet is so slow in melee

but if ur fine with that it has p good results for blastin bad guys

[flat pebble]

feels like maybe a caxe kinda build?

[old quail]

yeah thats what i run

between that and chainsword

[mystic belfry]

I'd run it with claw probably

[old quail]

claw is another good choice

[flat pebble]

i don’t really like chainsword on vet having experienced the relative highs of chainsword zealot

tbh im poopoo caca with the dclaw parry

[old quail]

chainsword is a weapon i can't really vibe with but ive ran it with it before and it did ok

oh dclaw parry is fucked rn

if you get hitstunned while pressing the key itll play a ghost animation

[junior needle]

You technically have a higher chance of getting what you want on the proceeding rolls. Given how much dockets it takes for brute forcing brunts, I find it's more efficient to just roll them at least up to purple to see if they brick.

[mystic belfry]

Chainsword is fine, I just don't like it

[old quail]

so you have to mash the button

[flat pebble]

i’ve heard that you’re just supposed to hold block as you parry

[junior needle]

You should just be able to parry without it

[mystic belfry]

I haven't had an issue with just pressing special?

[feral hamlet]

im sorry the what ?

[wicked sierra]

whats the goated perks for the chainsword?

[flat pebble]

something about about holding block helps the little chip damage that might be getting through with spamming the parry button

[old quail]

the bug doesn't come up too often

[junior needle]

https://darkti.de/extension

[old quail]

but when it does it's infuriating

[flat pebble]

you can’t really go wrong with rampage savage sweep

oh sorry perks

flakiac

same as it ever was

[wicked sierra]

blessing:perks same same but diffrent

[feral hamlet]

ooooh great
ty

[flat pebble]

you could also make a case of flak carapace and flak unyielding

[junior needle]

There's also a site you can use (with help from a mod to verify) that lets you actually buy stuff through your browser. Same guy who makes the extension made it.

[hollow ibex]

hmm aight

[flat pebble]

i think carapace is more of a zealot thing because chastise ohks

anyway yeah rampage ss for blessings is the smooth brain play

wrath is an okay ss consolation prize

[wicked sierra]

kinda like the look of a good bloodletter because everything that you wanna use the special on extra dmg is so free

[flat pebble]

rampage shred also good

[junior needle]

Just click on the other sections and you'll get to this page

[flat pebble]

there’s not that many that aren’t many enemies in the game as it is that will survive a revved heavy just fyi

[mystic belfry]

Problem is for carapace you want to use rev

[flat pebble]

so bloodletter is not as widely applicable as it seems on the face of it

[mystic belfry]

But using rev is dangerous as fuck

[ebon umbra]

lol

[mystic belfry]

So mid horde I tend to treat it like a sword without rev

And having rev for small groups is not that pointless

[flat pebble]

frankly if you can’t hit a ohk breakpoint on crushers you shouldn’t rev attack them

[ebon umbra]

anyone accidentally rev a burster

[mystic belfry]

if I'm going to mostly just be using light attacks, I'd rather use something like Rashad

[flat pebble]

i use the rev a lot because it staggerfucks most elites and specials as you kill them, utterly trivializing them when you know you have the space to use the special attack

[sharp ember]

i ball with bloodletter + rampage

cleave? what's that?

[flat pebble]

sorry, rampage has cleave

[mystic belfry]

The problem isn't the enemy you use rev on

it's every other enemy besides them

[flat pebble]

you were eating your vegetables this whole time and didn’t know it

[flat pebble]

sure that’s why i said the last thing i said

finding those moments isn’t THAT uncommon

[sharp ember]

that's okay if it's highly processed

[mystic belfry]

The problem is when I have space the faster kill time isn't that big of a deal :v

[flat pebble]

it’s the stagger not the kill time

i’ve saved a lot of friendlies with it as a zealot

[mystic belfry]

Much better options for stagger, like shovel

[flat pebble]

yeah i mean it just comes down to what you like and how you like going about getting it

[mystic belfry]

Revolver special really is a solid ability isn't it

[steady cedar]

What are good perks for a tactical axe? After some messing around I'm thinking Infested to reliably get a 2-hit on Poxwalkers and Flak for dealing with dreg bruisers is a good way to go, but I'm not really sure. I've got Shred, so Unyielding and Carapace aren't needed.

[flat pebble]

what’s your ranged weapon here

[steady cedar]

Columnus IAG

[mystic belfry]

Brutal momentum is a generally good option

[flat pebble]

onslaught?

[mystic belfry]

Decimator might be good too

[steady cedar]

Yep

[flat pebble]

you can get away with unarmored flak on the taxe, i kinda like it

infested shouldn’t need it

[naive hatch]

I understand Recon Lasgun is not meta...but what does it NEED to bolster it's strengths?

[flat pebble]

and yeah you should have brutal momentum as your other blessing

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, probably one of brutal momentum, headtaker, or decimator

[steady cedar]

Onslaught and level 4 raking fire on the IAG

[mystic belfry]

Depends on if you constantly spam attack or block/push a good bit for headtaker vs decimator

[steady cedar]

It came with level 3 Headtaker and Shred already on it

[flat pebble]

he asked for perks

[naive hatch]

Brutal Momentum is PREMIUM for horizontal attack types.

[mystic belfry]

Ah I"m blind then

[violet roost]

I mean I haven’t had an issue with it? Is it considered bad?

[nimble sentinel]

first and foremost it needs its interaction with shock trooper back

[naive hatch]

On that I agree.

[midnight mortar]

Oh you sweet summer child.

[flat pebble]

tbh you will probably find that shred isn’t that useful and brutal momentum more useful

[mystic belfry]

Looking at this... Hmm. infested and flak does seems decent.

[violet roost]

IM A SPRING TIME BABY, GET IT RIGHT NEXT TIME BUCK-O

[mystic belfry]

You're mostly using your gun for maniac damage right?

[flat pebble]

but for any axe it’s going to be a matter of brutal momentum+damage perk when you come down to it

[elder vessel]

What is this weapon?

[flat pebble]

columnus, they should be totally ok

[mystic belfry]

A random mark 7 tac axe

[nimble sentinel]

a slight damage increase across the boards is all I can think of for recon other than shock trooper, it needs help but IAG shouldn't become obsolete

[steady cedar]

Yeah, I've got a Columnus with +25% to maniacs so I can handle that just fine

Most Maniacs are best dealt with at range as Vet anyhow

[mystic belfry]

And you don't need unarmored for anything?

[nimble sentinel]

it needs to hurt more and it needs to be more econimical in dishing out that hurt

[flat pebble]

this is my axe

[naive hatch]

Nope, I've got unarmored covered.

[mystic belfry]

Infested flak sounds like the way to go then

[flat pebble]

it deals with eliteless mixed hordes very easily

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, I have headtaker/bm on mine too

[steady cedar]

The only thing the tac axe seems like it might need UA for in the training ground is gunners

[naive hatch]

My current setup in experimentation.

[flat pebble]

that is one of the first target stats of all time

[next spade]

is Marksmans Focus keystone worth speccing into?

[sharp ember]

its eh

[mystic belfry]

With some weapons

[flat pebble]

im just not totally sure what infested is doing

it should already be oneshotting poxwalkers

[mystic belfry]

If you don't like it, don't worry about it

[steady cedar]

Focus is really good for Plasma because it makes it a little easier to hit your breakpoints, other than that it's kinda meh compared to the other two.

[outer mulch]

is the mark xii still the good infantry lasgun?

[sharp ember]

yeah, it needs specific weapon breakpoint goals to consider using

[naive hatch]

Yes

[steady cedar]

IMO the MG XII is the weakest of the 3 now, the 1a is really strong

[junior needle]

They're not just not meta, the guns are dumpster tier across the board. You can somewhat make 6d "useable" with a particular talent setup but it'll only be low tier at best and you give up a lot for it.

I would not recommending building them until they get buffed. They should be getting some work done on them in the future, according to vague comments from playtesters. Possibly next patch.

What's good now may not be what's good then, so just collect some well rolled ones for the future.

[sharp ember]

mg12 is still good, everything else just caught up

[midnight mortar]

The XII still has the fastest TTK if you're good at getting headshots. The other 2 variants have just been brought up to comparable TTKs.

If you prefer bodyshotting fast, then the Ia and IV are for you.

[mystic belfry]

All non-recon lasguns are somewhere between decent and amazing

[junior needle]

All of them are good now, 1a is probably the best as it has the highest dps and has less of a strict precision requirement for effectiveness (but still hits one shot breakpoints pretty well). k12 is still the best precision oriented though. mg4 is more oriented for a bodyshot playstyle imo.

[sharp ember]

mg12 still has an edge vs unyielding enemies i think

[midnight mortar]

Yes. It will still have a faster TTK against reapers than the Ia and IV via headshotting.

[steady cedar]

Yeah, but with the increase in spawns the higher DPS of the 1a gives you a lot more flexibility for the cost of needing to shoot most enemies one extra time over a XII.

[mystic belfry]

Faster fire rate will also stack marksman faster

[frank ether]

also generally just more comfortable to shoot without the automod

[mystic belfry]

If you need to just beam a couple walkers for a breakpoint

[frank ether]

during bossfights MG4 is carpal tunnel mode

[mystic belfry]

Carpal tunnel is skill issue mode

[midnight mortar]

In my experience, the TTK for an enemy matters more than my DPS in most cases since my goal is getting rid of gunners and specials as fast as possible.

[flat pebble]

skill issue mode is mode mode

[midnight mortar]

Against boss fights though, your DPS will matter more.

[frank ether]

yes using infantry las is a skill issue

[steady cedar]

The changes to stagger fucked over my only good MG XII though and I haven't been able to get one to roll headhunter and deadly accurate yet.

[midnight mortar]

I also don't really find the marksman keystone to be useful in my builds.

[mystic belfry]

I don't think it's a big deal

On average you probably get more mileage with exe stance + ult regen on elite kill

[junior needle]

The line needs much, much more than a slight damage increase.

[midnight mortar]

But that's likely because they don't change the # of shots to kill for the XII already.

[mystic belfry]

Wow that second gun shot really fast

Must be good

[junior needle]

Firing faster = more dps, simple as

[mystic belfry]

Also goddamnit I have rolled power cycler 3 so many times

[frank ether]

when the patch goes live, if there are any changes to recons I'd like a comparission

[junior needle]

I'm on it b0ss

From one of the playtester comments it seems like it could be talent/blessing changes as opposed to direct buffs

[mystic belfry]

It will kill .3 seconds faster

[junior needle]

But that's just conjecture on my part from the wording

[mystic belfry]

Just give recon the exact damage of vraks 7 per shot

ez

[flat pebble]

this sounds like the crafting bug shit that just happened in destiny a month or two ago

[upper flame]

My friend got a 380 point Mg XII lasgun. What are some good blessings to have on it?

[flat pebble]

where people figured out how to make their auto rifles shoot shotgun shells and grenades

[mystic belfry]

AA12 time

[flat pebble]

literally

[junior needle]

Headhunter/deadly accurate is the prime headhunting setup last I checked, but that relies heavily on consistently clicking heads for value.

[upper flame]

Alright

[flat pebble]

but also if you're not clicking on heads what are you doing

[mystic belfry]

Slug shotgun can be decent with marksman honestly :v

It's funny

[flat pebble]

the OHK chains ive seen are impressive

[elder vessel]

Vietnam (Trials)

[swift ingot]

New Laspistol has got me very excited

[mystic belfry]

There's so many weapons that function well via head clicking

Ps6, rashad, etc

[sharp ember]

the single shot headhunter has a case for Surgical instead of Headhunter I think

[flat pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-remember-bad-memories-gif-13097556

[swift ingot]

Also really excited to see how the new Chainsword will function

[sharp ember]

sadly i believe its an eviscerator

[elder vessel]

Is it a Chainsword or a Heavy Evis?

[flat pebble]

chaxe

[elder vessel]

I wouldn't say Sadly dawg

[swift ingot]

Either way I’m excited for new weapons

[mystic belfry]

I don't really ever use evis on zealot tbh

[swift ingot]

And I also fucking called it

[sharp ember]

i'm saying sadly because vets ain't getting it

[flat pebble]

oh the new eviscerator with mobility and defence stats?

[mystic belfry]

Feels like a hammer 2 but mostly worse, eh

[sharp ember]

HAND IT OVER

[elder vessel]

There is a new Chain Sword coming, alongside A Chaxe

[elder vessel]

Zealots would demand Power Swords in return

[flat pebble]

you're trading a smoother top end for a smoother bottom end with evis

i love evis i've used it a ton since the buff

[half ginkgo]

What would be the Columnus IAG build? Grab Onslaught and then fill out mid tree and if you have spare nodes grab 30% WS damage node?

[swift ingot]

Also that new revolver has me frothing at the mouth I’m so excited

[mystic belfry]

Not sure what you mean by that

[flat pebble]

boss/elite clear vs chaff clear

[elder vessel]

Eviscerator is my go to Zealot weapon

Heavy Light Light PA ez pz

[flat pebble]

hell you can just do push attack + light chain

[mystic belfry]

Hammer does hordes just fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[flat pebble]

evis does them far, far better

[umbral scaffold]

aye how do i uhh. get the free darktide skins. the ones u get if you played before the class overhaul?

[mystic belfry]

You should have them

[umbral scaffold]

i dont :d

[elder vessel]

hell you can just push attack push attack push attack push attack push attack push attack

[flat pebble]

get the zealot ability that makes you do more damage when you hit 0 stam and now it's actually very big brain too

[elder vessel]

Zealots do not get tired, or injured, or dead, they only get stronger

[mystic belfry]

Antax likes push spam for horde clear if you're into that

[flat pebble]

i am just so tired of caxes after pre patch 13

[gusty sonnet]

Bet there's more than sugar in those cakes 🤨

[flat pebble]

i have to be honest

[sleek cairn]

anybody here seen @formal lake ?

did he like, quit the game

[mystic belfry]

I actually never used them while they were super broken

I've only gotten into them lately

[elder vessel]

The Axes are boring, never liked them (not you Chain Axe I love you very much)

[mystic belfry]

Ditto with power sword

[flat pebble]

i think that's for the best

they feel fair now i'm just fatigued of caxe

[mystic belfry]

They were just too strong to enjoy

[elder vessel]

Use Chaxe

[mystic belfry]

The most fun is ps6 and dagger tbh

I'd be more tempted by chain axe if the heavies were good horde clear

[elder vessel]

They should take the Horizontal Lights from the Chaxe, remove the rev, and give them more cleave and damage

The vertical lights keep the rev

[umbral scaffold]

holy shit i have em nvm. i have 0 clue when they gave me this but it wasnt there before lol

[junior needle]

Having rev on any of the basic attacks is bad for your life expectancy tbh

As long as it locks you into something

[mystic belfry]

Probably just took awhile to go through for some people. No one got an notification or anything

Was just added in

[swift ingot]

The new chainaxe will apparently have finesse instead of shredder

[umbral scaffold]

ye that

just poof u got it

[mystic belfry]

mhmm

[flat pebble]

maybe if they made the chaxe subsequent heavies be faster it would feel better for horde clear without making it overpowered

[elder vessel]

Not even a menu notification

[flat pebble]

so it still has the same burst

[mystic belfry]

My current fashion with the new sets, the new sets are mostly decent tbh

But it's ugly af for vet

[flat pebble]

not that the burst is like... eminently useful

i don't super like the zealot loincloth

[gusty sonnet]

ogryn set goes so hard

[mystic belfry]

The zealot helm is nice, but I'm playing the beard meta

[elder vessel]

Dodge Bruh

[umbral scaffold]

true vet drip

[mystic belfry]

I actually like rev on chain axe light, my problem is that the heavies need to be better horde clear to pair with it

[flat pebble]

yeah the rev on the light is satisfying

[swift ingot]

New chainaxe has the potential to be an actually great weapon, because apparently it will have finesse instead of shredder

[drifting oak]

+2106

[mystic belfry]

Having all that armor and no helmet on vet look silly ngl

[drifting oak]

what is this madness

[mystic belfry]

But the set ain't bad for sure

[flat pebble]

revolver shovel feels like a dominance display

[umbral scaffold]

hmm

[swift ingot]

New Laspistol is going to hit like a freight train