hate frames? try this one simple trick
#veteran-class
flat pebble
rugged goblet
As long as someone else realises they should probably kill the stuff you are stunning, not run forward like our happy ogryn yesterday
gusty bison
As a note Vraks 7 needs crit headshots
It does like nothing on bodyshots
But on crit headshots it can do this
whole moon
that explains my lacklustre performace with it recently, thanks Grawr o7
gusty bison
that explains my lacklustre performace with it recently, thanks Grawr o7
Lemme put it this way
That same gun on a rager bodyshot does 290
south prairie
What is best brauto? I wanna like it but nothing seems to compare to columnus iag, ehich i wouldve really liked if it has bash on it rather than flashlight
placid portal
Agripina for best dmg and initial accuracy iirc
gleaming turtle
Absolutely. Swap the perks for Flak and Maniac, and you're set. Shattering/Blaze is just to taste and Tier 4 Gets Hot is better but not insanely better.
south prairie
Agripina for best dmg and initial accuracy iirc
Right, thank you. Graias accuracy is atrocious
placid portal
Graia or columnus gains accuracy after firing for a short while
south prairie
Still not as good as the iag, or maybe i played it too much
dusky flare
only agripina gets cleave
paper brook
Best blessings for the MKII helbore?
sharp ember
Best blessings for the MKII helbore?
still Onslaught + Surgical
No Respite being an acceptable 3rd backup option
since it works with bayonet
hoary stratus
I just wish ragers didn't move their heads so damn much
small echo
What perks should I put on a Lucius helbore mk 2?
south prairie
What perks should I put on a Lucius helbore mk 2?
Right above your question my man
small echo
Ok thanks
south prairie
Oh fuck perk not blessing
Sorry
Unyielding and carapace would be my go to for perceived big gun
small echo
Ok
bold ibex
Which version of devil's claw is actually good?
i have that in the daily store whic aint' bad
but it doesn't matter if the moveset is trash :<
sharp ember
i have that in the daily store whic aint' bad
the mk1 has only horizontal heavies, and a 3-hit light combo that ends in an overhead
not very recommended due to no overhead heavy
nice perks but stinky blessings on that one
mk4 and mk7 much more preferable for moveset
bold ibex
not very recommended due to no overhead heavy
Why is overhead heavy a big deal for the devilsclaw?
sharp ember
yeah it's for single target when you aren't using it to clear chaff
like when a mutie is smashing your pal's head in, you use it to save them faster
or killing a flamer in one clean headshot
near sable
had my mk4 ohking muties a while back
sharp ember
or anything else in one clean headshot
sharp ember
but by all means take a mk1 if you don't care for a heavy overhead
i don't normally hear people praise having 2 horizontal heavies
south prairie
i don't normally hear people praise having 2 horizontal heavies
Yea i understand now, you get more utility and tou can just light-heavy for maximum chaff clear
bold ibex
i don't normally hear people praise having 2 horizontal heavies
It's an interesting angle. After playing around with it, the mk7 also has a push>stab>into light strikedown as an option. Hmmm...
Mk1 seems like a bad move, yeah
sharp ember
i'm most accurate with the mk7 moveset for some reason
the swing angles feel right to me
south prairie
Im slowly getting drawn unto using an axe, light spam to clear chaff, heavies to kill elites
bold ibex
After playing around more, Mk4 is what I think I'l;l go with. Double strikedown is neat and has a bushido feel to it and the light>strong combo amounts to just doubleclicking
bold ibex
Im slowly getting drawn unto using an axe, light spam to clear chaff, heavies to...
tactical axe or the rashad?
south prairie
tactical axe or the rashad?
Antax for now, i dont have a good rashad yet
bold ibex
Antax for now, i dont have a good rashad yet
Deffo work on rerolling. Even a middling Rashad is so much better than an antax it's not funny
south prairie
Deffo work on rerolling. Even a middling Rashad is so much better than an antax...
Actually scratch that, i dont even have a rashad
I gotta visit the bruntman
bold ibex
Actually scratch that, i dont even have a rashad
Good luck. What makes them so silly is you give up cleave boosts for finesse (Which just gives you a pile of crit damage and a free 9-12% attackspeed)
but since brutal momentum, when procc'd, ignores cleave.... there's essentially no downside
and ofc, the bonus weakspot crit and weakspot power from finesse really stacks nicely with all the free crit weapon switching tree gets (which sits at... IIRC, like 40%+?)
not really sure what to do with that yet... but hit and run might not be bad
maybe swap crit chance to +flak?
astral blade
i dont mean to sound cocky but a good vet with shout can easily hold a team together
midnight mortar
What perks should I put on a Lucius helbore mk 2?
The mk2 benefits from unarmored if you want to also be able to 1 tap headshot dreg gunners.
astral blade
i dont mean to sound cocky but a good vet with shout can easily hold a team toge...
is this statement true or false
delicate moat
i dont mean to sound cocky but a good vet with shout can easily hold a team toge...
this assumes your teammates want to be together
shrewd sierra
is this statement true or false
Bruh be playing some sus games with his profile linked lmao
shrewd sierra
The møøs cable crapping out sounds bad.
frank ether
luckily I had foreseen this and had a donor ready
while at it I also fixed the scroll wheel
frank ether
The møøs cable crapping out sounds bad.
this one lasted me about 2 years so I'm somewhat impressed
usually I kill them in half that time
frank ether
well I had an older dead moos with a fried main board
deft atlas
found this in melk's is he grifting me?
frank ether
so I just decided it will be an organ donor
I'm actually curious how long optical switches will last
but when they go out I'll havve replacements ready for soldering
frank ether
I've been using the same mouse for like 5 years
my previous previous was a deathadderr
that lasted like 6 something years
went through 2 cable replacements
unfortunately mechanical switches will eventually develop double clicking issue
anyways I miss the times when razer used to make products that lasted
now they just make cheap garbo and slap a good sensor on it, then call it a moos
midnight mortar
Wow.
My Logitech mice never gave me anywhere close to that much trouble.
Only gone through 2 over 10 years so far. A 500s that lasted me 6 years of daily usage until it started double/triple clicking.
And my current 502 on 4 years.
Never needed to replace any parts.
I had a friend who had one good Razer death adder.
And then everything afterwards has barely lasted 2 years before issues crop up.
frank ether
I'll buy a different brand next time
I developed fkin maintenance skills trying to use razer products
midnight mortar
I will say if you're looking for long lasting reliability, Logitech's been consistent on that front for mice as far as I know.
I was using those mice hard too, upwards of 60 hours a week of gaming.
midnight mortar
Less than 63 grams of lightweight mouse?
That's crazy light.
Can't say I'm fond of the shape though.
untold flame
I remember when we were putting weights in our mice
untold flame
I just use a wireless with AA batteries
midnight mortar
It's a trap for your muscles.
hollow turtle
I've heard of overspamming tag because people binded it to their LMB, but have you ever been in a team that tags nothing?
midnight mortar
I've heard of overspamming tag because people binded it to their LMB, but have y...
More often than not, my squadmmates never fucking tag.
I wish I knew why.
untold flame
I've heard of overspamming tag because people binded it to their LMB, but have y...
Half my random games
hollow turtle
I think today was just my first time encountering a team where i was the only one tagging. Thanks for fucking letting me know there were ragers mixed in the horde.
untold flame
Half my random games
Almost makes me feel awkward to be tagging so many things
hollow turtle
Or a crusher about to fricking overhead me as soon as I used the medstation
Straight 100% health to 0 in a second because they don't tag him running down the stairs and I can't see in front of the dang Ogryn
midnight mortar
I like to think it's a combination of egocentrism in visual cognition and a lack of object permanence for those situations.
"I see it, therefore everyone else must see it too."
"If I don't see it, it doesn't exist."
bleak tangle
Finally
umbral scaffold
They really need to fix the floating pauldrons, looks so stupid
bleak tangle
Haldon made something that isn't a doorstopper
midnight mortar
They really need to fix the floating pauldrons, looks so stupid
They shifted them too far off the shoulders and I have no idea why they thought that'd look good.
None of the other currently available pauldrons look like that.
umbral scaffold
It'd be fine if it was actually attached to something
jade notch
Aye, it looks like the pauldrons are floating just a little above the shoulder instead of being properly fitted.
umbral scaffold
Like there are other oversized pauldrons that look fine because they aren't floating
midnight mortar
All they had to do was attach the pauldrons to the same place they've attached all the other pauldrons for Veteran on every other set of armor that has them.
umbral scaffold
Like even this piece of junk is properly fitted
sharp ember
space marine cosplay
cosmic crag
guys. what do you do when your teammmate has l rizz
frank ether
Can't say I'm fond of the shape though.
shape was/still is the main reason I'm sticking with this viper rn
mellow adder
When you guys try to farm IV Blessings do you craft to blue or orange?
delicate estuary
Like there are other oversized pauldrons that look fine because they aren't floa...
floating pauldrons make sense what do you mean 
midnight mortar
When you guys try to farm IV Blessings do you craft to blue or orange?
I went for oranges.
patent valley
When you guys try to farm IV Blessings do you craft to blue or orange?
i heard blue only has a 5% chance to get t4
mellow adder
ah kk
frank ether
It's a trap for your muscles.
maybe but I've gotten too used to it
viper is like 70 something grams
midnight mortar
maybe but I've gotten too used to it
frank ether
which is a pretty sweet spot
they make moos under 50g nowadays
I dont really obsess over a few grams but I can tell the difference between 70 and 100
too much extra weight adds a bit of inertia to sharp flicks which I'm not a fan of
or maybe I'm a weakling that can't handle 30 extra grams
midnight mortar
😏 The inertia's only there because your arms aren't used to recruiting more of those muscle fibers to counteract that movement or stop it in fine detail.
The shape of mice that follow that of the Viper's always feel wrong under my hands.
I prefer mice that don't treat the hand's shape as symmetrical.
frank ether
Its all up to how you prefer using it
midnight mortar
Yeah I prefer palm grips.
frank ether
I dont do very well if I have to hold it like a potater
I mean I used to use a deathadderr which is a chunky potato
but I wasnt really that good at fps back then anyways
rugged goblet
or maybe I'm a weakling that can't handle 30 extra grams <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718...
built like a psyker
marsh condor
This applies to Ranged hits, right?
midnight mortar
Yes.
jade notch
Yes
midnight mortar
And bleed ticks contribute to it.
frank ether
built like a psyker
my vet builds are squishier than gunpsykers anyways
marsh condor
So it work best with weapons like Braced Autoguns and Autopistols.
marsh condor
I know
frank ether
graia brauto sucks even with this lol
marsh condor
Just referring to certain examples
marsh condor
graia brauto sucks even with this lol
"Support"
...yeah, that's the only joke that came in my mind about that autogun.
frank ether
I mean
wet anvil
I played my veteran again the cadian wields the emperor’s strength in his lungs
frank ether
brautos are kinda lame for vet anyways
your only way of reducing spread is volley fire
and why would you play volley fire brauto tbh
marsh condor
Ranged tasks
frank ether
iag just straight up better if you can aim
marsh condor
I am using Columnus Infantry Autogun
frank ether
braced auto more of a zealot thing
marsh condor
I have the bigger variant of the Braced Autogun
frank ether
I like the space AKs
but they're rather meh
one build I like to do is
duck n dive with stripped down
marsh condor
I'd like it if the Agripinaa Braced Autogun's like this.
frank ether
its effectively this anyways
marsh condor
Ammo
frank ether
you get like 40 something rounds
untold mulch
Honestly, I wonder why we can't have that as our "LMG".
Fatshark fears us
frank ether
that would be a drum worth of ammo for how big an AK bullet is
marsh condor
75 rounds in that drum
untold mulch
honestly I use Weapon Modification mod to add all brautos a drum mag
marsh condor
In fact, call me a heretic/horrible bastard, but I'd rather have more ammo at the cost of recoil on the ABA.
frank ether
nothing stops them from
adding a mark of brrauto
with a drum mag btw
they have the models
marsh condor
Wait really? Show me
frank ether
its just down to how fatshark feels about it
frank ether
Wait really? Show me
I can't because I dont have the mod installed, but you can put a drum mag on your autoguns with the weapon customization mod
fatshark already has those assets so if they wanted to, they'd do a drum mag brrauto
I just dont see it being very popular
they kinda effectively did that for the other two having really large mags
sharp ember
I can't because I dont have the mod installed, but you can put a drum mag on you...
those are ogryn heavy stubber mags stretched and squished down
you can see the exposed cartidges and they are SQUONSHED
i mean still really impressive the mod is capable of changing and resizing asset parts
but not truly a drum mag asset created for brautos
frank ether
those are ogryn heavy stubber mags stretched and squished down
nothing a little make-up cant fix ^^
plucky cosmos
guys
i'm having an argument with a friend about shovel vs chainsword
he won't stop xD
sharp ember
weird matchup
plucky cosmos
we still need a revolver skin tho
sharp ember
don't know what role the folding shovel will occupy
plucky cosmos
instead of 6 dodges you get 9
sharp ember
personally hoping the folding is functional and you can fold it to expose an anti-armor spike
plucky cosmos
that would be nice bcs i feel kinda useless against crushers
with shovel
or maybe its just me
sharp ember
shovel's okay versus crushers
better than a claw if there's multiple
doesn't really kill them in a timely manner
nimble sentinel
it will kill em and keeps all the other little buggers off your back
love me shovel
plucky cosmos
the poke from the shovel does not stun ragers right?
nimble sentinel
it does!
plucky cosmos
oh nice i thought its only good for gunners, burster and maulers
amber cliff
when i read folding i honestly thought of the market gardner from tf2
jade notch
I run Gets Hot (+Crit Chance based on Heat level)
marsh condor
With Shattering Impact...
dusk idol
you should
replace shitty impact
unless you're really focused on that brittleness buff for your team
sharp ember
mid impact isn't that bad to ignore
dusk idol
unarmoured and carapace aren't bad either though
sharp ember
but yeah slap on Gets Hot
dusk idol
dreg gunner and crush boys
marsh condor
but yeah slap on Gets Hot
Don't have
dusk idol
Don't have
if you can get gets hot and blaze away for your blessings and it'll be a sweet as plasm
marsh condor
I think I have Blaze Away
dusk idol
otherwise just do what you feel is good, but your perks are good and your blessings are in the eh tier
marsh condor
While waiting, I'm gonna try if the Recon Lasgun's crits are still shite.
nimble sentinel
where would you put my last 2 points? I'm caving to the bullying and making a lasgun build that actually takes exe
gonna be running a hellbore btw if it matters
dusk idol
whjats the rest of your build?
sharp ember
where would you put my last 2 points? I'm caving to the bullying and making a la...
standing still to build stacks, so you can crouch walk and crabdodge to keep building stacks
nimble sentinel
actually scratch that, gotta cook some more
dusk idol
or is it just for the extra keystone nodes
nimble sentinel
forgot tactical awareness isnt really needed on exe
sharp ember
if you must use the keystone, anyway
nimble sentinel
lemme throw what I got so far in the editor
dusk idol
okk\
sharp ember
personally i think it's better suited to infantry lasguns and autoguns than helbore
nimble sentinel
dusk idol
melee?
nimble sentinel
personally i think it's better suited to infantry lasguns and autoguns than helb...
sorta agree but I don't mind the hellbore sights
rugged goblet
It's fine once you get used to it
dusk idol
no like whats your melee
nimble sentinel
ah, probably gonna run shovel or csword
nimble sentinel
that's why I'm going hellbore
dusk idol
remove focus and ability modifier
go iron will for exec stance shooter tanking
oh hellbore mk3?
nimble sentinel
nah I'll need a good bayonnet, 1 or maybe 2
dusk idol
2 is kinda bad into crushers from my experience but i don't have + carapace on mine
only onslaught surg
nimble sentinel
it's not perfect but definitely serviceable
dusk idol
if you want the keystone grab camo and tunnel, if you're willing to lose it then diverge as you see fit into more toughness dr or extra nades
and CK too is nice
dusk idol
you can keep stacks up more reliably with camo as opposed to long range
it's the middle first two
confirmed kill
nimble sentinel
ah right
dusk idol
camo synergises well with your stand-still moments and if you really wanna squeeze its worth out you can gimmick the crouch dodging to maintain stacks
nimble sentinel
a thought, sadly IW would have cost me all my points
actually quick question, does exe stance still make me immune to suppression by default?
dusk idol
that one which provides rending is bugged
last i knew of
thats why i didn't recommend it
it doesn't work
nimble sentinel
we did more science on that, just bugged in the psykhanium
dusk idol
ahhh okay
nimble sentinel
if you swap it while inside it stops working
nimble sentinel
anywho time to test this build out
lol I thought this was a vet for a hot minute
marsh condor
Lol
sharp ember
looking forward to how much that vet talent tree compression will do
nimble sentinel
same
topaz pebble
Counterfire and bigger they are should be an easy one
I honestly think grenade tinkerer should just be base nade
untold mulch
I am keeping my hopes of the compression as "all good talents will be killed"
untold mulch
what blessing makes the krak grenades stick?
krak grenades always stick and magnet to carapace by nature
they can still to unyielding but no magnet
idk if they stick to anything else
cinder oar
okay sweet
untold mulch
okay sweet
I assume you can check in the Psykanium
throw nades at enemies and check interactions
gaunt hinge
idk if they stick to anything else
they stick to flak
gaunt hinge
you can stick it on a dreg bruiser's helmet
which is an incredible waste but its funny
untold mulch
Magnet and stick to Carapace
Stick only to Unyielding and Flak
gaunt hinge
but like i mean they couldve just spent the 3 seconds to read the grenade
naive hatch
I use Krak grenades, I call em my lil problem solvers.
gaunt hinge
i found 1 use for the graia brauto and its absolutely dreadful
naive hatch
The grenade regen is no joke.
gaunt hinge
you can spend 50 bullets braced to open up a bulwark shield
untold mulch
is a keystone
grenade regen is keystone talent
I can go all match spamming frags everytime I need them
and very rarely I click G and nothing happens
placid portal
krak do be funny when it homes into carapace only
i.e: you throw grenade to a crusher but it homes onto a bulwark
untold mulch
the magnetism is a bit much
placid portal
Really beeg
naive hatch
Sometimes I like to play on my Ogryn so I can throw a nuke into a room and watch the killfeed fill up.
wet moon
okay - do i keep the unforunate crit dmg and go headhunter/deadly acc or fix the perk and keep ghost?
for reference this is what i already have
placid portal
quiet wadi
can anyone tell me if deathspitter stacks? im sure i tested this before but i'd rather have someone else correlate on what i think before i bother rolling for a t4 blessing version of it
wet moon
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
🧱 ?
placid portal
I think what you already have is tad better
charred iris
bro they fucked the veterans side of the vanguard set uuupp lol. man looks like hes wearng some destiny 2 armor
umbral scaffold
What does Destiny 2 armor look like
charred iris
marsh condor
charred iris
yeah lol normal chest piece but huge fuckin shoulders lol
versed merlin
is it true that there's a 2h power sword coming on next update?
versed merlin
saw people saying that in someone's stream the other day
charred iris
is it true that there's a 2h power sword coming on next update?
the next update? thought it was just the new shovel and the fan the hammer revolver
marsh condor
the next update? thought it was just the new shovel and the fan the hammer revol...
That's just two among the various marks
fresh mango
minimum 5 new things being added imo, plenty of options just for marks
marsh condor
Also, how is this?
charred iris
We are wearing DISCOUNT ASTARTES FLAK ARMOUR
uh huh. if only they made it white so i could get my d2 titan cosplay going
umbral scaffold
is it true that there's a 2h power sword coming on next update?
Entirely new weapons are unlikely, FS tends to either deliver exactly what they said they would or underdeliver
fresh mango
Looks solid, so long as you don’t get fucked over by the blessings
charred iris
also they made a point of saying the new shovels foldable? most skins make it look like a foldable shovel anyway? so what does that mean
umbral scaffold
So probably just new variants of existing weapons
fresh mango
Maybe it can both cleave and then you fold it and it does good single target?
versed merlin
also they made a point of saying the new shovels foldable? most skins make it lo...
is that fold actual as in folding or a completely different meaning?
charred iris
is that fold actual as in folding or a completely different meaning?
what else would it mean lol
charred iris
i cant understand how tf you fold a shovel
have you never seen a folding shovel before?
versed merlin
no
thick kestrel
umbral scaffold
Its either that or this
versed merlin
wait what
thick kestrel
actually, a better example:
versed merlin
how come that is called folding shovel
rugged goblet
We had the latter in army
marsh condor
It's also called the E-Tool
charred iris
how come that is called folding shovel
because the shovel part folds down lol
umbral scaffold
how come that is called folding shovel
The shovel head folds
versed merlin
ahhhh
marsh condor
Well, it's mainly called the E-tool.
versed merlin
i thought it was something like idk pocket shovel
marsh condor
It is.
versed merlin
where you fold it many times until it gets tiny
marsh condor
Wait, no.
charred iris
actually, a better example:
if i had to imagine, it would operate like this picture where it has the normal mode but then it folds into that pickaxe style where maybe it does more single target like that one guy said
umbral scaffold
I have seen a shovel that was kind of built like a collapsible baton where you could adjust the length
thick kestrel
honestly if it is a proper entrenching tool with the reverse side pick it could easily be a single target focused shovel as opposed to our wide sweeping model atm.
strike down heavy attacks as it were
charred iris
although
thick kestrel
so I'd presume it'd play more like a defensive combat axe?
charred iris
cooler than folding shovel
a revolver that can fan the hammer im so excited
wonder if itll operate like mcrees gun in overwatch where right click is the fan so you cant aim with it
untold mulch
braced revolver
charred iris
braced revolver <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
or something like that where you hold right click and it lets you shoot quicker
which is likely the option theyll pick
thick kestrel
it'll definitely make for a very powerful panic button tool
you "might" end up spending all your time reloading as well ^^
placid portal
Crucian Roulette gamers
junior grail
Crucian Roulette time
thick kestrel
aye that's a fair point... sustained fire might be a good call on it presuming it'd still be a 5 shot cylinder... point blank for a quick hybrid loadout. trick shooter and crucian roulette would also be pretty solid picks.
junior grail
I hope by rule of 3 we get a 3rd revolver that is the heaviest big iron on our hips
junior grail
Balanced by needing to pull back the hammer with each shot
junior grail
or the classic 9mil
Thats a stubgun, should be its own weapons family class
thick kestrel
don't you need a single action revolver for fanning the hammer anyways?
charred iris
Crucian Roulette gamers
every shot has a 1 in like 200 chance just to instantly kill the player
delicate moat
every shot has a 1 in like 200 chance just to instantly kill the player
the gun points backwards
junior grail
Im sure we've had enough rng when crafting already
delicate moat
you see ivan, boolet must kill enemy for fear of killing oneself
sharp ember
don't you need a single action revolver for fanning the hammer anyways?
true, though they could just ignore that little detail for rule of cool
umbral scaffold
Helbore axe build niche is neat and not the most broken shit ever but whenever FS gets around to fixing that little exploit I cant see myself going back to ever using the bayonet
sharp ember
the axe bayonet really needs its action smoothed out
fleet drift
https://tenor.com/view/catboy-anime-anime-cat-boy-og_hv-gif-26280365
Why is Mafumafu here
sharp ember
stab bayonets can be spammed fine, but for some reason you have to hold and release the axe bayonet for smoothest performance
if you tap it becomes so clunky for some reason
junior needle
Elites>flak at the very least, max damage would probably be fire frenzy or deathspitter
gleaming adder
Anyone here got an accatran (any mark) build that's viable in damnation or obese fish nerfed them already
marsh condor
I still wish the "axe" bayonet animation gets swapped out for an alternate stabbing one
Like, raise the gun over.
tall torrent
This is good
Maybe upgrade a perk
marsh condor
Flak, ig
marsh condor
Still, I wanted to maximize damage. Oh well.
sharp ember
Anyone here got an accatran (any mark) build that's viable in damnation or obese...
they're dead now
tall torrent
Deathspitter and fire frenzy are hard to maintain above 3 stacks without shooting into horde
marsh condor
Speaking of, what's the difference? By all accounts, they're just too similar
finite imp
These new revolvers better spank my nuts
marsh condor
Unrelated, I also thought of using Raking Fire, for the occasional monsters
untold mulch
These new revolvers better spank my nuts
I sure love seeing more revolver spam in PUGs
is not like every pug these days is 50% revolvers
quite literally
finite imp
Why does that bother you
untold mulch
Because it speaks of overtuned weapon (and I've seen quite a few acting like it isn't) + there is no real variety in matches
from my ally side I only hear revolver shots
finite imp
Or maybe all of the other weapons are undertuned
untold mulch
I dont go midmatch telling them that bruh why you using it
finite imp
Sheesh I'd hope not
untold mulch
but, I will bitch on the discord
untold mulch
Or maybe all of the other weapons are undertuned
Nah, Revolver is hitting stupid
finite imp
That would just get you laughed at
I do think it's funny it does more damage than a bolter.
delicate moat
i have a simple solution for the revolver meta
finite imp
That should be physically impossible
untold mulch
add more ragers
250 rager
pastel geode
I do think it's funny it does more damage than a bolter.
Exactly why so many use it
tall torrent
Add more ragers, reduce crusher + bulwark + mauler spam
delicate moat
new modifier: oops all ragers
untold mulch
Main Bolter problem is ammo and shitty draw time
cosmic crag
poxburster hounds you say
finite imp
And it also does less damage than a revolver
cosmic crag
to shreds you say
untold mulch
And it also does less damage than a revolver
Nah, thats the revolver problem
finite imp
Your emphasis is misplaced
pastel geode
Hopefully that new surprise boss event will put them in their place
untold mulch
Buffing guns just because another is overshadowing will get you power creeped to oblivion
Now, nerfing to unfun is equally as bad
finite imp
So make all the guns suck ok
pastel geode
Reduce revolver damage and add a 6th shot, buff bolter and add 5 shots
finite imp
Why don't we just nerf the vet again while we're at it.
untold mulch
If you can't understand a middle point between useless and op
tall torrent
Just reduce armored elite spam and make melee mixed hordes more rager focused
untold mulch
not my problem
finite imp
You not understandingy point either isn't my problem lol
delicate moat
Just reduce armored elite spam and make melee mixed hordes more rager focused
no, increase number of bulwarks
finite imp
Reduce revolver damage and add a 6th shot, buff bolter and add 5 shots
Not a terrible idea
delicate moat
we need shield formations
finite imp
Nah the revolver would just rip right through them since it's so OP
Seeing bulwarks act like a phalanx would sure be intimidating tho
pastel geode
Or bulwarks and machine guns teaming up to make mobile bunkers
untold mulch
Damn
cosmic crag
I’m revolving
pastel geode
I’m a stubborn old man running csword and brauto
finite imp
Brautos are fun
untold mulch
I am running laspistol, but i don't like the animations
finite imp
I swap between revolver and brautos
pastel geode
I bring krak nades for the big stuff
finite imp
I'm also a knife enjoyer
sharp ember
Or bulwarks and machine guns teaming up to make mobile bunkers
accidentally got a group of 4 bulwarks to make a shield phalanx in every direction, that was not fun to deal with lol
finite imp
Nade
pastel geode
Krak grenade moment
finite imp
Instant nade
cosmic crag
I am running laspistol, but i don't like the animations <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883...
let us throw the empty mag at stuffs head
sharp ember
alas this was pre patch 13
pastel geode
Fair
finite imp
I'm nading my way into that circle and knifing the fuck out of them
Did y'all know that knife heavys get a 25 percent backstab damage bonus
sharp ember
krakking a bulwark and holding it back like a linebacker so they all line up and blow up together is mad fun tho
pastel geode
let us throw the empty mag at stuffs head
Give recon las an option to overload the mag and chuck it as a grenade to make up for the bleh damage
finite imp
I got bone splinters in my fucking EYES
finite imp
Ok
cosmic crag
Give recon las an option to overload the mag and chuck it as a grenade to make u...
cookin
pastel geode
Tell that to the 10 crushers I killed with a single krak
empty creek
ive saved more teammates w/ bad shredder throws than i have my best krak throws so
that & the shredders still yeet big boys so who gives a fuck
i just find that shredders have infinitely more usefulness than kraks & wish they were the middle tree instead
bright coyote
i find the choice between krak and shredder to be very difficult. i started out using krak but shredders guarantee mission completion if that makes sense
tall torrent
Having the ability to stagger every enemy around you 3 times in a horde is pretty good tho
pastel geode
They just make more sense for me to bring cause all my good luck gets absorbed my anti horde equipment
empty creek
It's the perfect panic switch
my panic switch kills & my girly screaming revives & im not changing that
empty creek
i find the choice between krak and shredder to be very difficult. i started out ...
it’s probably another classic case of preference
ive had great krak throws but can’t really get in2 the groove of using them 24/7 since my expectations 4 an explosion is that it’ll maim a crowd of people
maybe im mid
tall torrent
I found kraks a lot more limiting because I basically only ever get to use them with crushers, maulers, bulwarks and bosses
And any other time if I use it it’s kind of like a waste
empty creek
I found kraks a lot more limiting because I basically only ever get to use them ...
this is my exact mindset
having less options isn’t fun
bright coyote
I found kraks a lot more limiting because I basically only ever get to use them ...
yeah, once i paid attention to how many nades i threw and theres no competition there
thick kestrel
yeah, it tends to be best to think about what fills in the gaps in your kit. shredders and kraks have crossover, but do specialise. Frags a bit more control, Kraks a bit more priority removal.
if you have other tools to wreck/disrupt hordes then kraks work well. if you've got more specialised weapons for elites/single targets then Frags rock
crude wind
I go back and forth on Krak and Frag, imo they are both really good
But smokes
Don't talk about those
thick kestrel
ideally we'll see another tune up to the smokes at some point to niche them better as a defensive option
empty creek
i take onslaught & use good guns so i can still buttfuck crushers & maulers when they show w/o being insanely disruptive 2 how i play
pastel geode
For me it’s a pocket bomb to deal with trouble enemies then I go back to mag dumping everything else while screaming about Cadia
empty creek
ideally we'll see another tune up to the smokes at some point to niche them bett...
it’s fucked up that the smoke isn’t WP smoke that sets shit on fire @ the source
(white phos)
bright coyote
why not give smokes a Bardin stealth when standing in it for everyone? or too good (or lame)
thick kestrel
eh, I think that'd have too much functional crossover with the frags and their bleed effect as a DoT grenade
untold mulch
I go back and forth on Krak and Frag, imo they are both really good
frag saves my ass so many times
the CC alone
thick kestrel
ideally smoke grenades should be about protecting the team, which they are... but the effect feels... fluffy? transitional? it's hard to exploit outside of specific situations
crude wind
Frags are amazing for space which is what Vets often want and need
Krak is a gap filler in the arsenal that's very handy if you want to run something that can't kill carapace
empty creek
i refuse 2 fall in2 the nasty meta of being a plasmagun krak powersword shout veteran so i avoid 3 of those things like the plague since apparently everybody else hates them
thick kestrel
the new mission actually has some excellent situations for their use oddly enough
untold mulch
I would be willing to exchange the frag for a concussion nade to double down on CC
thick kestrel
but... Frags do that job as well, they're awesome control tools
tall torrent
But smokes
They should have more support utility besides drawing shooters into melee and downgrading gunners’ IQ
thick kestrel
so figuring out how to "fix" smokes becomes a bit tricksy
untold mulch
Smoke needs to be rethought from the ground up
thick kestrel
because they have the potential to trivialise certain things if you go too far... they quite probably need a more fundemental re-work
tall torrent
Just give us a toughness/stamina regen per second buff when in smoke
So you not only get to downgrade shooter IQ, your melee survivability is also higher
fossil basalt
I think smokes work fine, it's generic teams that don't know how to use them because they don't know how they work
thick kestrel
switching them over to something like haywire grenades might work more thematically? have them disable weapons/debuff enemies for a period of time.
bright coyote
I think smokes work fine, it's generic teams that don't know how to use them bec...
because of their nature i think you're right, in a premade group smokes might be the perfect tool because theres already enough killing going on. public matches are too risky
eternal sable
karmic musk
because of their nature i think you're right, in a premade group smokes might be...
inb4 your friends are worse than pubs 
finite imp
well my friends arent losers so
cosmic crag
hamnation
finite imp
yeah
cosmic crag
hzamnation
finite imp
what do you think would happen if they patched in pronouns at the character select screen :V
fathom grail
no anime in my Christian vet chat
cosmic crag
hizzizzlezamnation
round yacht
Does + unyielding damage affect this bleed? or does it have its own damage, unaffected by the shotgun its on?
jaunty lantern
Which gun should I go for if I'm taking executioner's stance?
topaz pebble
Are you running any keystones?
jaunty lantern
Probably not
jaunty lantern
Medium. I don't like being too far in the back but I also don't really like being the focus for the horde
topaz pebble
Infantry lasguns and autoguns
Hellbores mk1 also works
Personal favorite are the MG12 and la for lasguns
Columbus and agripina
delicate moat
my teammates just ignored the dog on me for like 5 minutes
versed merlin
my teammates just ignored the dog on me for like 5 minutes
ping spam
versed merlin
or get every ammo in the whole game
shoot once to the sky, then take that red bag of ammo
jaunty lantern
I did just get a pretty good Agripinaa inf. All stats above 70 except for mobility(62) with 80 ammo and stopping power
teal abyss
Medium. I don't like being too far in the back but I also don't really like bein...
Helbore is great, the charged shot still gives you coverage for snipers and gunners that are super far and it comes with a bayonet in case you get caught by a couple stragglers before you get your melee out, you just have to get used to the swap speed. You have to cock it every time you pull it out
topaz pebble
Just never put it away
sharp ember
agri inf is pretty nice
topaz pebble
Fix bayonets lads
And have limbsplitter brutal momentum on your melee weapon
For maximum degeneracy
teal abyss
Just never put it away
You can pretty much do that with the 1 but I use a 3 and the stupid axe chop is way worse than the stab lol
topaz pebble
You can pretty much do that with the 1 but I use a 3 and the stupid axe chop is ...
My condolences
sharp ember
And have limbsplitter brutal momentum on your melee weapon
you need to commit and put No Respite on your helbore too
teal abyss
My condolences
2 shotting crushers in Damnation is the trade off so I’m happy with it
jaunty lantern
If I were to take Helbore shouldn't I go for Onslaught and Surgical?
topaz pebble
If I were to take Helbore shouldn't I go for Onslaught and Surgical?
We were meming
Bayonets are stupidly broken
jaunty lantern
I remember them being able to two-stab-stagger Bulwarks
There is also this little thing I got... Whatchu think?
marsh condor
Stopping Power is shite...
versed merlin
stopping power is the second most important stat for that weapon
marsh condor
...so you're better off killing Dregs or Hordes with it.
marsh condor
Noice
jaunty lantern
I assuem going for an Exec Stance with it is not the best option?
versed merlin
only if you want to one tap crushers
topaz pebble
Yeah, outside of that just run voice
versed merlin
i like revolver with stealth weapon specialist
jaunty lantern
I mean, the way I play Vet I usually two-tap crushers from medium range with a charged plasma
topaz pebble
I also really love weapon specialist with the revolver
jaunty lantern
Running voice and 'nades
jaunty lantern
Huh. Lemme show you my talents atm
thick hare
can someone throw a build my way for general usage, dont play veteran too much and havent looked into new builds after keystone update
topaz pebble
can someone throw a build my way for general usage, dont play veteran too much a...
Do you have a preferred playstyle?
versed merlin
can someone throw a build my way for general usage, dont play veteran too much a...
plasma gun + whatever melee of your choice with voice of command and maybe tag keystone
thick hare
Do you have a preferred playstyle?
not really but i like playing actively not sitting still and shooting which i saw in one of the keystones
jaunty lantern
This is my talent build atm
tall torrent
can someone throw a build my way for general usage, dont play veteran too much a...
I use this
topaz pebble
not really but i like playing actively not sitting still and shooting which i sa...
Voice, weapon specialist, revolver and an axe
My personal favorite
thick kestrel
in fairness the static nature of marksman's focus is REALLY overstated ^^
it's better to think of it as being heavily crit weapon focused rather than "stand still and shoot" focused
thick hare
Voice, weapon specialist, revolver and an axe
axe better for engaging in melee a decent amount compared to chainsword/shovel?
i guess its a matter of more dmg vs cleave
versed merlin
psword has both cleave and damage, assuming you're willing to burn tons of plasteel to grind power cycle blessing
thick hare
psword has both cleave and damage, assuming you're willing to burn tons of plast...
i do have plasteel but no ordo
jaunty lantern
What about the Catachan swords? I recently got this beast of a roll
thick hare
i do have plasteel but no ordo
gambled a lot for evis on zealot
versed merlin
i do have plasteel but no ordo
from personal experience, i assure this is not enough
tall torrent
What about the Catachan swords? I recently got this beast of a roll
Rampage + savage sweep
thick hare
from personal experience, i assure this is not enough
ye had like 70-80k plasteel and 3m or 4m ordo before doing some heavy gamble on zealot
sterile phoenix
What about the Catachan swords? I recently got this beast of a roll
And be prepared for disappointment when it gets bricked by Hadron
versed merlin
oof
jaunty lantern
Would it go well with a Revolver VoC+'nades build?
topaz pebble
Would it go well with a Revolver VoC+'nades build?
Yes
versed merlin
yeah, power cycle blessing grind be like that too
topaz pebble
Catachans are amazing
No issues with ragers
Revolver literally anything slightly dangerous
versed merlin
i like devil claws on vet too
i prefer combat axe, but i refuse to play combat axe without the 10% melee attack speed node
thick hare
yeah, power cycle blessing grind be like that too
i mean to be fair i made these 2 so its worth it i guess?
jaunty lantern
So this is basically just a Necromundan build- Revolver and sword
topaz pebble
Jesus
versed merlin
i mean to be fair i made these 2 so its worth it i guess?
jesus christ
topaz pebble
I just take weapons that are servicable
tardy plaza
Nice
topaz pebble
Mans out here with basically God roll weapons
thick hare
wish the evis actually had cara over maniacs because
versed merlin
you won the lottery
thick hare
saw someone in zealot channel sending a video
topaz pebble
Don't need carapace
topaz pebble
You just chastise while sawing
versed merlin
mauler body is flak
topaz pebble
Goodbye crusher
thick hare
oh its flak?
topaz pebble
And the next poor bastard that you hit
versed merlin
so long you hit the body, i think you should still one shot it
versed merlin
only its head that is carapace
tardy plaza
I've got a TH like that burning haven't been able to get a wep like that on my vet
topaz pebble
Flak to maniac imo
eternal sable
change carapace to maniac
topaz pebble
And ofc crucian to hand cannon
tardy plaza
eternal sable
you get little value with carapace on a revolver
tardy plaza
I wish I had this on my veteran 😔
eternal sable
flak + maniacs hand cannon + surgical
topaz pebble
you get little value with carapace on a revolver
What
versed merlin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1177124230140276776/U...
o i think the cara is to hit the 2 shot breakpoint in crusher tbh
topaz pebble
Revolver one shots like all flak enemies
foggy musk
you get little value with carapace on a revolver
???
thick hare
o i think the cara is to hit the 2 shot breakpoint in crusher tbh
oh could be
eternal sable
you 2 shot without carapace on your recolver
foggy musk
there are so many crushers in high tier games
eternal sable
dont swap out your flak thats a big noob trap
foggy musk
dont swap out your flak thats a big noob trap
hmmm
topaz pebble
What do you possibly need flak for
foggy musk
so cara + flak?
eternal sable
1 shotting ragers
versed merlin
so you can actively one shot specials
topaz pebble
Ragers mutants flamers and trappers
eternal sable
^
eternal sable
maniacs is very good on revolver
sharp ember
i mean check your build in the shooting range if you can afford to test both and draw your own conclusion
topaz pebble
But I'd take carapace over flak
tardy plaza
Ragers are more dangerous than crushers/maulers
eternal sable
big noob trap doing that cement
topaz pebble
Cause I have yet to see any flak survive a revolver headshot
tardy plaza
Crushers and maulers are easy to kite and dodge, a big group of ragers will fuck you up very fast if you don't deal with them immediately
eternal sable
thats a perfect recolver, dont grief him
versed merlin
i think that maulers and crushers are pretty easy to bait, even in dense hordes
eternal sable
revolver*
versed merlin
but ragers are rough
topaz pebble
But what are you taking flak for
thick hare
between focus target and weapon specialist which is more preferable for melee heavier? weapon specialist? as i mentioned above i rather like engaging into melee
versed merlin
But what are you taking flak for
rager one shot, i assume
eternal sable
you will get the most value out of flak and maniacs
versed merlin
between focus target and weapon specialist which is more preferable for melee he...
weapon specialist yeah
eternal sable
also there are different armor types on enemies
topaz pebble
Yes but what is flak for
eternal sable
if you look at a mauler for example, head is carapace and body is flak
its like that with a lot of other mobs
topaz pebble
But why are you body shotting a mauler
eternal sable
flak + maniacs is best value
sharp ember
between focus target and weapon specialist which is more preferable for melee he...
all the melee nodes are on the way towards weapon specialist
topaz pebble
You have handcannon
thick hare
weapon specialist yeah
so the build cement sent aright
topaz pebble
I'm being gaslit right now aren't I
versed merlin
id take stealth over voc and take out that last perk in weapon specialist, not needed
topaz pebble
I like the last perk cause you never have to reload
thick hare
id take stealth over voc and take out that last perk in weapon specialist, not n...
if you arent busy could you send the tree my way?
eternal sable
you are losing so much potential power with thatr build cement
you can take 30% weak spot damage and 25% crit in your left tree.
- lots more
versed merlin
im not the most reliable source of information, i mostly just play auric with stuff that i ask from other people
eternal sable
thats how you 2 shot without carapace
topaz pebble
Why do I need that much crit
I have 33% crit with just one melee kill
Surgical for half a second fills in the rest
thick hare
thats how you 2 shot without carapace
sir mind if i ask you for a build with slightly heavier melee focus?
eternal sable
you are using ultimate noob revolver build
thick hare
sir mind if i ask you for a build with slightly heavier melee focus?
as i dont usually play veteran
topaz pebble
Yeah noob revolver that somehow works in auric and maelstrom
thick hare
if you want to play melee play zealot ?
i do and i think it shows?
i am fairly new to the game
just wanted a relaible build for doing weeklies etc
eternal sable
i might have one
thick hare
as i like doing those on higher difficulties as well mainly damnation ofc
versed merlin
i mean, people play gun psyker, so why not play melee vet
topaz pebble
Yeah, the build I use clears auric easily
eternal sable
i would never use a build from here or from gamelantern
versed merlin
not the most optimal, but it works
eternal sable
they are all ultimate noob traps
topaz pebble
Gun psykers do obscene damage
thick hare
i might have one
sharp ember
wouldn't his build be "from here" too 
eternal sable
yeah ikr
versed merlin
i wouldnt trust a gun psyker, same way i wouldnt trust a melee vet in auric, but so long as they know what they're doing i dont mind
thick hare
also not a veteran talk but i mainly used revolver on zealot and recently i have seen couple people in pubs with autopistol doing extremely high dmg
topaz pebble
I have to be getting gaslit
thick hare
also not a veteran talk but i mainly used revolver on zealot and recently i have...
never gave autopistol a try but i guess its good?
sharp ember
not really
sharp ember
any good performance seen with an autopistol would be done better with a columnus iag, stat-wise
thick hare
rest of the tree? as i am clueless what are the important nodes for vet
versed merlin
wait werent you saying that deadshot is needed for revolver on vet?
im genuinely confused
eternal sable
thats melee build
topaz pebble
I'm getting gaslit by him
thick hare
lmao
thick hare
not pathing to keystone or what?
eternal sable
no exhillerating takedown
south spindle
Melee build, no weap'spec' smh
topaz pebble
Honestly
eternal sable
keystones are bad
south spindle
Lmao
topaz pebble
What
thick hare
huh
topaz pebble
Yeah I'm getting gaslit
dusty basalt
Weap specialist is crisp with revolver
topaz pebble
Look at weapon specialist and tell me it's bad for revolver
sharp ember
wep spec revolver is goated
south spindle
Also plasma
dusty basalt
Who needs to reload
eternal sable
its a big noob trap taking weapons specalist on revolver
sharp ember
juggle your revolver between melee kills to instantly load a round
south spindle
Who needs to reload
Yep
topaz pebble
Noob trap this noob trap that
eternal sable
you are wasting so much going right tree
south spindle
Free-load go whoosh
eternal sable
going right tree makes you melee focued
topaz pebble
Half of vets in auric are noobs I guess
versed merlin
but the point is to focusing on melee power. how else do you buff your melee dmg without weapon specialist?
eternal sable
more than half
cerulean void
going right tree makes you melee focued
yeah and a well built revolver deletes everything else
versed merlin
revolver is just a complementary weapon for when he cant reach the enemy
south spindle
but the point is to focusing on melee power. how else do you buff your melee dmg...
How he answers this is gonna define how much shit he's talking
topaz pebble
I don't think they know what they're talking about
Like, these decisions are baffling
eternal sable
you guys
south spindle
Yeah, i agree lol
eternal sable
are falling for all the noob traps in darktide
topaz pebble
Yes because you're right and all the other vets are wrong
karmic musk
uh
topaz pebble
Uh
cerulean void
lmfao
eternal sable
lol
topaz pebble
That's not the flex you think it is
south spindle
are falling for all the noob traps in darktide
I would wager you religiously ran Unwavering Focus or CE before the overhaul so dont push your luck lmao
versed merlin
are falling for all the noob traps in darktide
you already told us that, but you didnt explain a thing about what you're trying to prove
eternal sable
continue discussing your noob trap builds
versed merlin
im genuinely insterested, not trying to flame nor anything like that
topaz pebble
I've given up
eternal sable
what am i trying to prove
cerulean void
I'm just sitting here like what's not a noob trap build? lol
south spindle
Anime pfp, try not to be a dick on the internet challenge, impossible difficulty
topaz pebble
Someone explain why you'd take flak on a revolver over carapace
dusty basalt
You talking mad cap for someone within revolver distance
eternal sable
this all started from that revolver and someone saying he should take carapace over flak
thick hare
@versed merlinso the stealth version sacrifices auto reload for revolver?
rose sail
noob trap if you dont agree with me
sharp ember
a noob trap is SUPPOSED to be something that seems good, but is bad
eternal sable
flak on a revolver is a noob trap
topaz pebble
Like the res on voice
eternal sable
carapace*
sharp ember
like newbies using a recon lasgun for the first time
topaz pebble
They're trolling
thick hare
this all started from that revolver and someone saying he should take carapace o...
that has nothing with my question
dusty basalt
I just dont take survivalist with revolver, i just run fast and slurp the ammo
cerulean void
flak on a revolver is just a bad pick, that's not "noob trap"
thick hare
that was someone else talking about revolver perks
topaz pebble
I just dont take survivalist with revolver, i just run fast and slurp the ammo
The true vet experience
Yeah I said take carapace and maniac
They said flak and maniac
versed merlin
<@229217332331937792>so the stealth version sacrifices auto reload for revolver?
gimme a sec
topaz pebble
What do you need flak for
cerulean void
you can take plus flak, but it already hits breakpoints
topaz pebble
What are you trying to one shot harder
cerulean void
MAYBE maulers?
sharp ember
i need flak for my mauler foot shot breakpoints
cerulean void
but they have a carapace headpiece, and revolver should already kill carapace
topaz pebble
They keel over
thick hare
@eternal sable the revolver i posted was on zealot and already had carapace, if you check the history it was someone else posting their revolver while i was asking for a vet build that
flak dmg over carapace talk started
south spindle
flak on a revolver is a noob trap
topaz pebble
Unarmored, unfortunate
south spindle
Uhhhh
sharp ember
<@514259958163046431> the revolver i posted was on zealot and already had carapa...
oh what pretty keyword highlights
south spindle
Sir, i think you just outed yourself
thick hare
oh what pretty keyword highlights
ye en blessing fix mod, also has talent fix for talent descriptions as well
eternal sable
this is one of my go-to revolvers
versed merlin
<@514259958163046431> the revolver i posted was on zealot and already had carapa...
revolver already one shots everything that is unarmored, i think you're not getting any benefit from that perk
topaz pebble
What do you need the flak for
versed merlin
maniac would be much better imo
topaz pebble
revolver already one shots everything that is unarmored, i think you're not gett...
It's locked
dusty basalt
You huys aim with revolvers?
eternal sable
collateral cement
thick hare
revolver already one shots everything that is unarmored, i think you're not gett...
i had to sacrifice 1 useless perk and blessing so
couldnt change that
topaz pebble
Hadron fucked it
versed merlin
ahh okok
cerulean void
I can't decide if I want lasrifle IV with focus or XII with weapons specialist
south spindle
this is one of my go-to revolvers
#veteran-class message #veteran-class message
Click these and read what you've said kek
topaz pebble
They're trolling me
eternal sable
why are you typing to me mud
topaz pebble
Have to be
eternal sable
youre proably a 100 hour heresy main
hollow cloak
knatreal is just trash now huh
south spindle
why are you typing to me mud
Im pointing out that you have no consistency (or any idea) in what you're talking about
hollow cloak
*kantrael
south spindle
If thats too rough for you, stop posting gibberish just to be disruptive
thick hare
gimme a sec
hollow cloak
the lasgun
topaz pebble
Launch 12 was chefs kiss
south spindle
<@477222382709506050> happy ?
Nah, nice try tho
eternal sable
https://tenor.com/view/entertainment-michael-jackson-wow-amazing-interesting-gif-14302319 @south spindle
south spindle
But still an epic "shot yourself in the leg" moment
topaz pebble
But yeah the kantraels are still good
muted yarrow
Everyone who is not a helbore main is a heresy main to me
hollow cloak
the xii feels absolutely terrible now
topaz pebble
Everyone who is not a helbore main is a heresy main to me
Fellow hellbore enjoyer
What mk
sharp ember
wasn't ciaphas cain a laspistol main
hollow cloak
went from being the best gun to the worst
south spindle
wasn't ciaphas cain a laspistol main
Laspistol fucks
south spindle
Its just stupid ammo hungry