veteran-class

[untold mulch]

so if someone was too smart I would fo a fuck you

[nimble sentinel]

shortbows got the dodge quickshot tho

[light creek]

got like 3 PS with it ill kill give one to hadron

[untold mulch]

Mhmm, fair enough

I was a little shit

[nimble sentinel]

🤝

[viral nacelle]

gentlemen, tear this shit a new hole: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9abef48a-ca8d-4cfb-a43d-f8f46e85145d

[near sable]

avelyn

[versed merlin]

is that aagri

[near sable]

is my gripper

[tall torrent]

The moment when mg4 barely does more damage than Graia IAG and has half the firerate

[untold mulch]

Hand claws, and dual katana weapon in right hand

crossbow and parry shield in left hand (parry shield only was for the blessed buff to slowly heal and also so someone feared I was gonna parry god them so they hesitate)

[near sable]

GMB

[viral nacelle]

overall thought is use stealth and deadshot to absolutely much stuff with the laspistol in the butt while also getting absolutely nutty melee damage. use specialist kills to maintain stealth uptime

[topaz lance]

Hm I like this. Do you hve a build?

[near sable]

I'll send it to you in a bit

it is just focus w agrippina

the thing has no spread and the headshot multiplier racks up

[topaz lance]

Merci!

[near sable]

great magic barrier, 85% magic resist vs a pure caster

https://tenor.com/view/e-there-is-nothing-we-can-do-gif-1915861908606230748

[near sable]

true

[languid escarp]

Vet chat getting uncannily similar to zealot chat

[frank ether]

Its configured as a headhunter weapon in both damage fall-off and blessings

but that doesnt rly work

[flat pebble]

not enough condescension and communal burnt toast smell

[frank ether]

if you're using MG4 you probably want to just shoot fast at close to mid range

[untold mulch]

I loved it because people had no idea how to coutner claws

then when the fight moved on, I changed to dual katana which while slower had a shit ton more reach, automatically doing a mental VIBE CHECK to people

I need to play DS3 again

[nimble sentinel]

p much, hi speed low drag marksman

[frank ether]

riveting.... now make it full auto

Turn MG4 into the las version of ciag that it wants to be

[nimble sentinel]

bigfish pls gibe back recon

[flat pebble]

it really had like a month or less in the sun

[nimble sentinel]

an unsung bonus of the MG IV that I don't think many people think about: ADS walk speed

kinda treating it like a kerillian spear build, poke everything when they're just out of range while I am certainly not

overkill ammo economy also means I could play a whole game without an ammo pick up, good for plasma vets or gunner ogryns or any dumdum who takes a recon

[tiny summit]

MGIV good

[nimble sentinel]

yarp

[flat pebble]

recon lasgun good

[nimble sentinel]

narp

[flat pebble]

end scene

is mgiv also just deadly accurate headhunter

[nimble sentinel]

yup, you can probably argue for infernus but I like raw damage

[hazy cosmos]

holy shit

[flat pebble]

it’ll make a fine paperweight friend

[nimble sentinel]

pics after hadron

[flat pebble]

just give it over to our fine tech priest over yonder

she can apply the necessary magicks for it to only be good at holding down papers from desk fan breezes

[frank ether]

hadron will enjoy bricking this

[tall torrent]

This part is very nice but I realized you still get screwed over when dueling gunners without suppression immunity

[nimble sentinel]

indeed you do, so take suppression immunity

[flat pebble]

yeah i saw they said that earlier

[tall torrent]

Point starved economy be like:

[tiny summit]

Imma big man. Dun need no supresson immuni

[flat pebble]

it’s a lasgun idk it feels like common sense to me

[nimble sentinel]

my vet is min height I'm just a little guy

[flat pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[tall torrent]

I’ve had more success fighting gunners with a stripped down IAG and literally just running directly towards them

[craggy dove]

Heya mates, what's the best Mk for the Catachan blade ?

[flat pebble]

if anyone’s played with a tiny angry cadian vet named fera that’s me

[tall torrent]

There’s only 1 variant of combat blade rn

Mk3

[tiny summit]

Whatever 1 has a strikedown H1

[tall torrent]

Unless u mean devil’s claw sword

Then the general consensus is mk4

[craggy dove]

Yeah that one

Roger that mates

Ta !

[crude wind]

works well enough on Zealot

[craggy dove]

'Cause otherwise found this karking thing

[hazy cosmos]

what's the differences between the powerswords? just the movesets?

[crude wind]

perfect

[tall torrent]

works rly well for both vet and zealot

[crude wind]

but has horizontal on h1

[crude wind]

ye especially now Vet has their own version of IJ

[flat pebble]

essentially, and their special animation interaction or lack thereof

mk6 power sword single target combo with push attack is largely better than the other’s single target potential

[tall torrent]

mk7 is fine with single target
l1 -> h2 -> l3 -> l1 -> h2 -> l3

it's gonna feel like h2 then 2 lights

[delicate moat]

which blessings for agrip shotty?

no respite?

[tall torrent]

full bore + no respite

[delicate moat]

gotcha

[tall torrent]

u have to have full bore

[flat pebble]

OR man stopper scattershot if you wanna get weird

[frank ether]

I spent like 1m ordo and didnt find one as good

you even got maniac

perfect

[tall torrent]

that's better for law & kant then agrip

[nimble sentinel]

man stopper wen trapper

[flat pebble]

actually the slug round pierces and counts as cleave so it’s very funny

[craggy dove]

Complete luck from the Armoury

[tall torrent]

agrip has super low minimum pellet hit values for the regular shots

[frank ether]

hadron it, good luck

[flat pebble]

yeah i didn’t say it was GOOD

[frank ether]

you already have one good out of 4

[tall torrent]

still better on kant with fire shot inf cleave and its naturally high spread

[flat pebble]

but once you get a crit you can chain penetrating slugs

[tiny summit]

Yea. PS6 push attack will delete crushers in a few hits or even take like half or near half with 1 head poke

[flat pebble]

what do you think my statement is about the agri shotty

[craggy dove]

🫡

[flat pebble]

that it’s competitive?

because i didn’t say that

[tall torrent]

nvm u good

[crude wind]

very excited for this next patch

[inner olive]

short vid but I've created a monster

[delicate moat]

good god hadron and her stamina perks

[frank ether]

I'd exercise cautious optimism tbh

[crude wind]

i've played it so

no caution required

[frank ether]

oh

forgor

you're a tester

[inner olive]

I can't wait to inhale jet but in warhammer

[frank ether]

mb

[tall torrent]

same

[crude wind]

it's good and I can't wait to play it on live with y'all ❤️

[untold mulch]

I was burned by the crab already

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-avengers-hawkeye-clint-barton-dont-give-me-hope-gif-15254733

[crude wind]

🦀

[frank ether]

dont do it vet jesus, don't give me hope 💜

[crude wind]

hahahahahaha

[quaint valve]

anything you can say overall? no details?

[frank ether]

for every disappointing patch I'll let crab cook in pepsi max for another month

[crude wind]

can't give specifics but i think everyone will be happy with how the Vet tree shapes up

[quaint valve]

Thats what we are all hoping, gonna hold you to it 🙂

[crude wind]

please do

[frank ether]

exciting

[flat pebble]

this is nice to hear

[crude wind]

LAY ME OVER THOSE COALS

basically i love build freedom and this current version of Vet tree ain't that

at all

so glad it's getting addressed

[quaint valve]

Thats the consensus for sure

[crude wind]

ya building Vet on this tree atm is just a bit sad. you can make it really good at one thing but at the expense of everything else

[quaint valve]

hopefully its not long till update is out, think everyone is ready

[crude wind]

i hope so too, my body is ready

[frank ether]

ya that basically sums up my helbore 3 vet rn

[craggy dove]

Beeg Iron

[nimble sentinel]

will it steal my lasgun head clicker niche tho?

[crude wind]

no one can do that

that;s your niche

[craggy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/cdd-gif-22847612

[untold mulch]

Revolver special action should play russian roulette

as balancing

[craggy dove]

One shots anything, except bosses

[untold mulch]

It already does that?

[nimble sentinel]

dem coals gon be real hot with how much you gassin us up

[craggy dove]

True

[tiny summit]

2% to blow up in your hands for 25% health dmg

[nimble sentinel]

(I am looking forward to the new tree ❤️ )

[frank ether]

everyone be curious about new revolver

and here I am

wondering about the folding shovel

[untold mulch]

I am vibin until Rogue Trader

[nimble sentinel]

my steel legion shovel skin already has the folding bit in it

[craggy dove]

https://tenor.com/view/таинственноедерево-мдроедерево-25-дерево-тебе25-gif-26895001

[craggy dove]

I mean, I'm a revolver main

And fanning's my favorite thing

[flat pebble]

i like how the cylinder has 3 frames of normal rotational animation then goes FWSSSHHH

[frank ether]

I have a godrolled revolver rn

and dont even use it

I only used it for vet %90 accuracy penance and then put it away lmao

actually kinda curious about fanning revolver though

sounds fun

[flat pebble]

i’d appreciate a non marksman revolver

more ammo less damage kinda thing

[nimble sentinel]

6x scope and holster stock

do it

[flat pebble]

fuck

[tall torrent]

Would surely have a different blessing combo than the current surgical + hand-cannon

Given it’d be more of a rapid fire spam revolver

[tiny summit]

Shotgun revolver

[flat pebble]

how do we feel about no respite dumdum

[nimble sentinel]

revolvers dont have dumdum afaik

[flat pebble]

not YET

i’m in the blue sky phase ok

[viral nacelle]

this is the ideal lasgun. you may not like it but thats how it is

[flat pebble]

yeah im not sure how the current revolver blessings will work on the fanning revolver

[untold mulch]

heavy ass lasgun

[flat pebble]

might make crucian worth using again

[viral nacelle]

mobility 37 just lmao

[eternal sable]

swap to melee ez

[untold mulch]

I like my guns with high mobility so I can keep shooting at the mfs while dodging the 2 poxwalkers htat spawned on my back

[viral nacelle]

does stability matter for hellbore?

[untold mulch]

not much

[flat pebble]

doesn’t it affect stuff like hipfire accuracy

[viral nacelle]

i have another brunt comedy gun

[flat pebble]

hipfire shots surprisingly useful on helbores i’ve found

[untold mulch]

Why you hipfiring Lucius?

[viral nacelle]

brunt out here rolling me 0% on the dump stats for meme value

[flat pebble]

because it works? you don’t need surgical procs on everything

[untold mulch]

[flat pebble]

that said if you can hipfire at them you probably can also just stab the fuck out of them

which as we all understand the bayonet fucks now

[untold mulch]

mhmm

[tiny summit]

Sometimes I just like to stab a rager and then shoot him in the face hipfiring

[viral nacelle]

i may put stam on this kant 1a to take better advantage of deadshot

its unholy i know but

i thirst

[flat pebble]

cursed

[viral nacelle]

fuck it, im doin it

[tiny summit]

More I've played with and w/o deadshot the less I value it. I want my stamina when I need it

[viral nacelle]

solution: all the stamina!!!!

shittin crits on tits

[tiny summit]

3 +3 stamina

[viral nacelle]

yesssss

blessed

hardon will brick them but what can you do

[tiny summit]

Before the recons got shafted I did run the build and had 2 stamina curios. Worked really well

[south garnet]

I'm sure it's in my imagination but I swear when a good roll happens the odds are weighted to pump mobility and dump damage or stopping power

Like every single 375+ weapon is just "ah another one with max mobility, very cool"

[tiny summit]

Darktide and Genshin players aren't so different gambling for little rng stats

[quaint valve]

I live this life and artifact grinding feels close to darktide rng

[tiny summit]

When the +4 gives it to HP or DEF

[jade notch]

It certainly do feel like it

[slow spade]

Indeed

[stark moth]

General mmo life tbr

[slow spade]

I had to skip over 5 375+ MK6 power swords

[stark moth]

Somehow darktide has that

[slow spade]

Even my current power sword has a 65% damage stat lol

[versed merlin]

what blessings are the go for knife?

[flat pebble]

uncanny+precog/mercy/flesh tearer is usually my recommendation

if you use uncanny mercy you need serrated blade talent

[jade notch]

I burned through 500k Ordo Bux just to get one 370 Mk 6 PS

the rest were 360s that had everything not Mobility as the dump stat

[celest vine]

Managed this

Sprint efficiency is nice for keeping stamina for my rifle

But damn id like to have carapace damage

[tiny summit]

I've yet to get either of the energized blessings

[celest vine]

Sunder is better

Lets you cleave through bullwark shields

Granted

You wont damage them through the shield, can stagger them tho

[midnight mortar]

Sunder is niche.

[delicate moat]

sunder is nice

[celest vine]

Lets me kill more of the horde in front of me

[midnight mortar]

Your damage still falls off drastically cleaving through Bulwark shields into other targets.

[celest vine]

Dopamine hit when you three strike kill a whole horde

[humble nova]

Thank you Emprah

[tidal rapids]

Is it just me or did Long Shot penance get updated? Did it specify frag grenade before?

[celest vine]

Emprah blessed me with this as a purple

[midnight mortar]

Brutal Momentum also lets you kill more of the horde in all situations where you aren't facing crushers or bulwarks mixed in.

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[celest vine]

Had some bullshit lvl 2 perk i mever wanted

[delicate moat]

unfortunately, in this patch...

[midnight mortar]

It can be achieved with kraks too now.

[celest vine]

But headhunter and flak to start

Holy shit

Thank you god emperor

Deadly accurate I mean

Headshot go brrrrr

[midnight mortar]

I just don't find bulwarks and crushers to be a big enough problem that I wish I was cleaving past them with Sunder for a measly 300 to 400 on say a Rager next to them.

[tiny summit]

I want that as a Ia

[celest vine]

Thats one less strike to kill

[slow spade]

Bulwark propaganda

[midnight mortar]

I just kill the big ogryns and get back to killing 6 to 7 bruisers per swing.

[celest vine]

I got better ish as a 1A

But it doesnt have maniac, just flak

And crit chance

[midnight mortar]

With 5 dead bruisers that didn't cost any of my cleave.

[celest vine]

Perk blessing combo is better on my 12, base stats are better on my 1A

[midnight mortar]

It's not a breakpoint on ragers.

If you line up one next to a Bulwark and try to hit with Sunder.

Or worse, if there's a bruiser between the bulwak and the rager.

[midnight mortar]

You'll definitely cleave through the shield to nearby targets, but you aren't dealing that much damage.

[celest vine]

My thoughts on bullwarks

[woeful sonnet]

anyone wanna help a noobie lol

[midnight mortar]

At which point if you're relying on kraks then sunder is somewhat redundant for that use case of cleaving theough shields.

[tall torrent]

darktide is in global top seller #39 on steam

[tiny summit]

I'm doing my part

[twin elk]

what's the most accurate autogun

[midnight mortar]

Pick a range.

[tall torrent]

vraks mk3 headhunter
graia mk8 infantry autogun

if ur just speaking recoil

[twin elk]

spread

i can handle recoil

[tall torrent]

spread as in hipfire spread?

[twin elk]

is there not ads spread?

[slow spade]

Only stuff like Columbus have notable spread

The precision guns might as well have 100% accuracy

[tall torrent]

there's no bullet spread when you ADS
visual recoil regarding sights is kinda wack
and when you're suppressed you have spread

but if not suppressed, no spread

[forest blaze]

stay ads and you can still shoot like a laser while dodging even though the gun moves all over the place

it's pretty silly but it works

[slow spade]

Works even for the bullethose guns too

[twin elk]

what's the difference between braced and infantry autoguns

[forest blaze]

braced you don't really ads.. you just stare intently at a direction and tightly hold your gun

IAG you ads

[gaunt hinge]

infantry autos have much better precision and unyielding damage

[twin elk]

unyielding you say?

i like that

[gaunt hinge]

which means you do more than zero damage spraying at a pogryn head

[twin elk]

[uneven kiln]

Perks on the collumnus? Running dum dum and raking fire rn

[gaunt hinge]

you can try flak and crit chance

[twin elk]

does it have crit bursts?

[junior needle]

Typical perks are the usual flak/maniac

[uneven kiln]

Blessings not perks lmao

[junior needle]

All automatics have crit strings

Oh, dumdum is the most important by far, after that is perks, then your second blessing

[uneven kiln]

Well raking it is then

[junior needle]

Fire frenzy or deathspitter are the most used but raking is "ok" if you play around it

[tall torrent]

dum dum + stripped down is best

raking fire good for infil builds

[junior needle]

The gun is so overtuned and the second blessing is so largely inconsequential you could do that and have it work fine

I wouldn't say it's best but it's some qol

[gaunt hinge]

speed loader is fun for putting rounds in your gun

[tall torrent]

fire frenzy and deathspitter are hard to maintain above 3 stacks if ur not shooting into horde

[junior needle]

They're best for emergency situations where you have elite packs running into you

But yeah the uptime for general use is not great with the terribly short "close" range now

[twin elk]

dum dum give me gun gun

[viral nacelle]

So the problem with me and stealth is that I am a hard R

Also 27 mobility on a gun is bad mkay

[slim shard]

haha braced auto goes brrrrr

[ocean moat]

Looking forward to that fanned revolver with pt 2

Wonder how trash it will be tho

Probably garbage range

[slim shard]

I'm looking forward to playing my cowboy build as the emperor intended

[viral nacelle]

look at this fucking thing

15% mobility

how

[ocean moat]

Lawbringer 🤢

[viral nacelle]

i bring the LAW

[junior needle]

Wasnt the lawringer supposed to be better now with flechette and scatter

[slim shard]

if only the special horizontal shell could headshot

consistently at least

[ocean moat]

The incendiary shotgun is just better

Slug if you can hit headshots (IMPOSSIBLE)

[viral nacelle]

Is the col mk2 brauto good?

[ocean moat]

Most people prefer iag for columnus

[tiny summit]

308 with 65 minimum on the good stats. Gotta pay somewhere lmao

[viral nacelle]

Yes but I don’t have on vet

[midnight mortar]

Braceds are just really underwhelming.

[tiny summit]

Brautos feel like the gun is drunk

[midnight mortar]

You never use their secondary and just shoot from braced hipfire for... close range targets.

[sharp echo]

which helbore, mk I, II, or III ?

III seems a bit too slow

[midnight mortar]

I prefer the 2.

[eternal sable]

helbore is also classafied as a femboy gun

[sharp echo]

the 3 doesn't have the stabby

[midnight mortar]

Fast bayonet, fast charge, no input buffer problems that the 3 has.

Stab bayonet >>> slash bayonet.

[tiny summit]

I prefer 1. Middle dmg and charge of 2 and 3. Fast stab. It's just right

[frank ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917682677279232045/1171665157378809856/attachment.gif?ex=655d8136&is=654b0c36&hm=d3a7bf41cf348f3a980cfdae7ce9e7c2b473dff536875a4b1cd8bdc5c730345a&

[midnight mortar]

Mk2 can achieve 1 tap headshots with exec stance on gunners as well, giving it a slightly faster TTK than the XII with headshots.

[eternal sable]

😭

[tiny summit]

Need a mod that goes "uwu" for charged fire

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-omori-hop-on-darktide-omori-hop-on-gif-27183451

[frank ether]

nice

[midnight mortar]

#zealot-class Take that back to zealot chat.

[eternal sable]

no!

:3

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-darktide-gamer-girl-gif-27131761

that's better.

[thick rose]

anyone got a good braced auto build I can copy?

[midnight mortar]

Have you checked the thread?

[muted knot]

Do you actually do anything here other than call certain guns femboy guns ?

[eternal sable]

its kinda accurate tho

[midnight mortar]

They're doing the thing zealot chat does.

[raw steppe]

#veteran-class message

[spark helm]

What the fuck is a femboy gun?

yall so silly

I'm curious

[leaden musk]

Wit the fuck is going in this chat man

[muted knot]

Not silly

Mentally challenged

[midnight mortar]

Just a bunch of "uwu femboy" posting.

[spark helm]

Probably not.

lol

[lilac gale]

can I get some build advice?

[surreal mountain]

Is Vet good yet

[tiny summit]

Vet has been good

[spark helm]

most of the mfkers doing shitposts are just the exact opposite of whatever goofy shit they ironically posting. shit sometimes they the main ones into it

[midnight mortar]

For what exactly?

[thick rose]

cool, thanks.

[spark helm]

And yet is by nature solid.

vet*

[warm idol]

straighest warhammer players

[spark helm]

Whatver that means

i see you

[leaden musk]

Calling something a femboy gun is a fucking wild statement

[raw steppe]

Vet still the best class in the game lol

[warm idol]

if I had to guess its a gun with a femboy painted on it

vet was always good

[midnight mortar]

It's just shitposting.

[spark helm]

i wouldn't know or care that deeply but it's just some whatever shitpost.

[leaden musk]

Weird as fuck

[spark helm]

Hopefully, people go outside idk

[warm idol]

I remember at launch people even said it was op

[spark helm]

I mean, vet is just not a dogshit class

[junior needle]

Laughs

[warm idol]

ill still play it even if it was dog

[midnight mortar]

A social signaling behavior. Unfortunately all other conspecifics are in #zealot-class .

[spark helm]

Has some shit that isn't going to come close to what other classes would want to do but the class just isn't shit period

lol

[raw steppe]

And vet will be the best class in the game as long as ammo aura exists

[junior needle]

Best to have on your team if you're a gun user

[raw steppe]

That's just how stupid the skill is

[spark helm]

As long as the game works the way it does, vet isn't going anywhere.

[junior needle]

Maybe not the best class to play

[lilac gale]

I found I really like the MK2 Laspistol, and Ive been doing Malice runs with randoms with a lot of success. I feel like the strength of my build and my role in the team relies a lot on one-shotting the "normal" enemies with headshots (not poxwalkers, but regular shooty bois)

I want to try doing Heresy runs, but in the Meat Grinder I found Im missing damage ranges on some of the targets I need to oneshot. I cant really spec into more damage perks without giving up my capstones. Should I keep rerolling laspistols to get a higher damage #?

[midnight mortar]

Are you level 30?

[lilac gale]

I can post the gun itself, it's got +10% ranged Weak Spot damage, damage mod of 73%

[junior needle]

Post your gun so we can appraise it as well

[lilac gale]

yes

[midnight mortar]

And yeah post the gun.

[lilac gale]

I havent spent a ton of time reroling it

Didnt want to without doing this line of questioning :p

[warm idol]

get a new one

blessing and perks are meh

[midnight mortar]

Laspistol isn't really a oneshot machine at higher difficulties against shooters.

With crits it might, but it's more about the volume of fire against weakpoints.

[junior needle]

Hmm yeah, not well rolled. Only good thing there is ghost and the stats could be better. You want max damage and stopping power, and different perks. Weak spot damage is quite bad in this game, even on a gun with a huge weakspot mod like laspis.

[midnight mortar]

And yeah you could easily do better than a 338 pistol.

[junior needle]

Ammo is not a dump stat btw, so avoid that if possible. But less important than max damage and stopping

[tiny summit]

Yea laspistol is about rapid pewpew. Helbores and the infantry lasguns will be your 1 tappers

[lilac gale]

Im actually not far off one-shotting flak heads on Malice

Of the normal dudes

[warm idol]

ideally you want high ammo dmg and stopping

[lilac gale]

Is max damage 100%?

[midnight mortar]

Keyword: Malice.

[warm idol]

mob is your dump stat

[tall torrent]

80%

[warm idol]

80

dont ask

[midnight mortar]

80%

[lilac gale]

?

[untold mulch]

as of now, no stat can surpass 80%

[warm idol]

fatshark when they jebait you

[untold mulch]

Why?

[midnight mortar]

At higher difficulties enemy health increases.

[junior needle]

Each difficulty below damnation has reduced enemy hp in increments, you want to test things in damnation.

[craggy dove]

So far

[untold mulch]

Ask Obese Megalodon

[warm idol]

is that a skin or a mod

[tall torrent]

If they’re new to the game I think playing in malice/heresy for now is perfectly fine

[lilac gale]

what if I just want to play in Heresy?

[warm idol]

cause that sword be havin a sexy model

[delicate moat]

wtf 3 zealots in my lobby are struggling against poxwalkers

poxwalkers

[junior needle]

That's why I said test things in damnation, so you know it'll work when you make the jump

[whole moon]

anything salvageable or bin em both and start again?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok if they take it slow and gradually learn stuff along the way

[warm idol]

nothin wrong with that

[raw steppe]

Then just ignore crafting imo, and you'll have more fun

[warm idol]

but you will be taking longer to upgrade stuff

[lilac gale]

Will the modifiers be set in stone when I acquire the gun at common level?

[spark helm]

zealot moment

[junior needle]

I never said it wasn't, it's just a waste to craft gear that falls apart when you jump difficulty.

[tall torrent]

Base stat roll can’t be changed

[warm idol]

you mean the stats?

[raw steppe]

Only bother with crafting if u wanna push harder content and want to suffer with the fatshark craftinf

[warm idol]

then yeah

they dont change with upgrades

[lilac gale]

Im finding Malice a bit too easy so I want to try going up a bit without getting too serious

[lilac gale]

ty

[frank ether]

nice

its already saved

[junior needle]

Once you get more accustomed to the game and better gear, you'll want to make the jump. Damnation is much more lucrative in terms of both dockets and crafting resources. Once you get used to heresy you'll find it easy and then go to damnation.

[warm idol]

also t5 especially auric is just more fun

more heretics to kill

[lilac gale]

fair enough

[tall torrent]

Damnation is usually around 600~800 plasteel every mission compared to heresy being just above 400 if you check every spot (assuming quick play +10% bonus)

[craggy dove]

Mod

[warm idol]

tech heresy is staring to tempt me but in those type of games im always afraid of the banhammer

[junior needle]

Your good options for laspis are ghost(if you want to run deadshot/dnd), infernus, and dumdum (bugged and much more useful than the tooltip implies currently) for blessings.

[lilac gale]

dumdum?

[warm idol]

blessing

[junior needle]

For perks its some combination of crit chance/flak/maniac/unyielding.

I prefer crit and another one for max crit fishing, the gun does like 1/3 the damage if you arent critting or headshotting.

[lilac gale]

What about weak spot damage? Or is crit fish simply the most optimal laspistol strat?

[warm idol]

weak spot dmg perks are weak

[junior needle]

Not on perks. The weak spot talent in the tree competes with deadshot but you can take both.

[warm idol]

for some reason

[midnight mortar]

So long as its client side, FS won't really care.

[warm idol]

is for the drip and weapon customization and full auto clientside?

[midnight mortar]

Other than mods that assist w datamining distribution.

[warm idol]

cause those are the ones that interest me

[junior needle]

Weakspot/crit damage works very stupidly in this game and only applies to the bonus damage of the crit/weakspot hit. So if you hit for 100, and crit for 110, that 10% crit damage only applies to 10 damage.

[midnight mortar]

Weapon customization and full auto are fine.

Not sure about FtD.

[lilac gale]

bruh

BRUH

THAT'S SO STUPID

[junior needle]

Agreed

[tall torrent]

Yes lol

[lilac gale]

jkhgfdhnfdcjhg

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852669297611636749.webp?size=48&name=kekw&quality=lossless

[tall torrent]

+30% weakpoint ends up being like +8% damage

[junior needle]

So you not only need a huge base modifier, but also a ludicrous amount of crit/weakspot damage.

[hollow ibex]

you serious

[midnight mortar]

Welcome to Fatshark's obfuscated mechanics.

[lilac gale]

thanks I hate it

so... should I just buy common laspistols until I get 80% damage and 80 stopping?

[warm idol]

fatshark and making sense is an oxymoron

[warm idol]

thats basically how you get stuff in this game

brunt slot machine

[lilac gale]

Im already regretting my line of questioning lmao

[warm idol]

or get blessed by the emperor with a good mission drop or melk

[tall torrent]

Not yet

[delicate moat]

[tall torrent]

Because you need to accumulate a good blessing collection

[midnight mortar]

You can do both at once.

[junior needle]

The darktide shop extension and darkti.de armory are very helpful for keeping on top of the regular shop without resorting to mass buying.

[midnight mortar]

Gonna be spending at Brunt's either way.

[junior needle]

One lets you check the shop, the other lets you buy from it. From your browser.

You can check with the armory but I don't think it has rule sorting like the extension currently

[tiny summit]

Whatever you feel comfortable with. Max base rating of any weapon is 380. I'll keep anything with all +70s or all +70s and a dump stat. You're min maxing at that point. You'll be fine without the most optimal rolls

[midnight mortar]

Tier 4 blessings can't show up in requisitions as far as I know.

And Melk's a crapshoot.

[midnight mortar]

The general idea is this: Buy weapons from Brunt's Armory -> Sell anything lower than a 360+ base rating -> Consecrate the weapons with a base rating of 360+ -> Have fun hoping the slot machine rewards you -> Run out of plasteel -> Run missions -> Repeat.

For blessing farming.

[tall torrent]

Also damnation can drop u gold weapons that may have blessings you want

[lilac gale]

ty

[midnight mortar]

You can also hold onto any guns with promising stat distributions.

[lilac gale]

I was sitting on a bunch of resources that I wasnt burning since Malice is pretty easy now, so now I have something to work toward :p

[tiny summit]

Sharing my first shovel. Could be better base stats. Shafted with the perks. But hey 2 lvl 4 blessings.

[midnight mortar]

That'll do for a first shovel.

[lilac gale]

oh yeah, are blessings locked to their weapon type?

ie, a shotgun blessing wont ever transfer to something else?

[tiny summit]

Weapons in similar trees share blessings. So shotgun variants share blessings. Infantry lasguns share blessings while Recon lasguns have their own blessings.

[lilac gale]

gotcha

well, thanks everyone 💚

[midnight mortar]

Kek you actually bought that dust rag?

[nimble sentinel]

if Hadron doesn't brick it I'll post femboy thighs

[gaunt hinge]

[south spindle]

Im not sure this is the one thats in the shop atm, had it for ages now

[tiny summit]

Please hadron

[south spindle]

But ye, i like the space 'nam look

Oh wait the hood, yeah

[nimble sentinel]

ah beans

[untold mulch]

And another bites the dust

I think?

[midnight mortar]

Yeah I was talking about the headgear, sorry.

And yes, bricked revolver.

[terse idol]

What the, bounty hunter guy from starwars
I'm just kidding but that's a nice set

[nimble sentinel]

oh well rip

[midnight mortar]

Don't. We don't need that here.

[nimble sentinel]

all good I wasn't actually going to post them ||in this discord||

[viral nacelle]

Dead shot with recon las is meh

This shocks no one

[brave scarab]

best power sword perks?

[viral nacelle]

But hey I managed to not be a total ammo goblin with the las crit ammo and survivalist traits

[viral nacelle]

Power cycler and whatever

[midnight mortar]

All the overt coomers moved to zealot chat over time, thankfully. Or stopped playing/talking.

[brave scarab]

ty

[midnight mortar]

Perks or blessings?

[brave scarab]

perks

[midnight mortar]

Blessings are Power Cycler and Brutal Momentum.

Perks you can pick between flak, maniac, and carapace. Or unyielding I guess though that's a bit subpar.

[quaint valve]

Perks on PS are pretty flex since damage is so high when charged. what @midnight mortar covers it

[brave scarab]

gotcha thanks

[tiny summit]

It was good prior to 14

[midnight mortar]

Only because of Shocktrooper.

Not because it by itself was suited to the Recon.

[tiny summit]

I mean if you're using recon w/o that like...what are you doing?

Would be cool if onslaught was closer to shock trooper

[midnight mortar]

Of course. I just wanted to higlight that reliance on the mechanics of one talent so people can see the interacting moving parts.

[tiny summit]

This patch without shock trooper and onslaught recons are so lacking

[midnight mortar]

Preaching to the choir.

I can only hope that playtester's words last night hold true.

[hybrid river]

What words?

[hard cave]

please post vet drip

[tiny summit]

Whispers of buffs

[midnight mortar]

That the upcoming rework for Vet will have an improvement for recon build viability.

[midnight mortar]

#darktide-driptide

[tiny summit]

monkey paw recon viability up, all other options nerfed

[ebon umbra]

[short wigeon]

knowing fatshark they'll buff the recon and nerf the PS. i base this on absolutely nothing

[tiny summit]

Only shredder pistol buffs

[junior needle]

It wasn't good prior to 14, you blew through your stamina instantly regardless of stam curios because it was still % based.

You still blow through it now even with +9 stamina, but you'll get like 2 ish seconds of fire time.

[tiny summit]

The build still worked last patch and was good

[junior needle]

Which build

[tiny summit]

With deadshot + recon.

[junior needle]

By last patch you mean 13 or 14

[tall torrent]

Wait he a play tester?

[midnight mortar]

13 I'd believe you. 14? No.

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[tall torrent]

Damn ok

[junior needle]

Because you blow through your stamina way too fast on a 6d for deadshot to have much practical relevance. If you mean 13, then as long as you had shock trooper and enough rending it didn't matter if you took deadshot, you were doing fine regardless. It was kinda superfluous as you could only get maybe a second or less of extra crit before going empty.

[tall torrent]

Are we gonna get the change on left keystone from “benefitting non-precision weapons massively” to “benefiting precision weapons massively”

[junior needle]

Doesn't the left keystone only give finesse boosts?

[tall torrent]

Yea left keystone allows u to reach some very obscure breakpoints on some guns

[midnight mortar]

One can hope.

[tall torrent]

Like agripinaa IAG gets to 1 tap both gunners in the head (??????)

[junior needle]

That's crit/weakspot damage, I don't see how it could be more specific to benefit precision weapons any more

[midnight mortar]

A reliance on base weapon finesse isn't exactly providing a wide base to work with sadly.

[tall torrent]

The infantry lasguns and headhunter autoguns already hit their major breakpoints without left keystone

[tiny summit]

I like seeing marksman stacks contributing to like 2 tapping mutants with my MGIV

[junior needle]

Mhm, but that's more of a weapon vs enemy tuning thing, and not exactly the keystone being targeted towards non-precision weapons

It's 100% targeted for precision mechanically, but more is redundant on some guns

[tall torrent]

Yes but it’s funny how the “dedicated marksman” keystone ends up benefiting weapons that are not dedicated marksman weapons

[junior needle]

It should be able to contribute to other guns, but clearly not as much given the difference in modifiers and how crit/weakspot damage works

[ruby fulcrum]

I used it on agrip brauto and it felt decent.

Mainly tried it because I find the entire concept hilarious

[quaint valve]

yeah you need fast firing weapons to maintain stacks easier

[midnight mortar]

It does make me wonder how playtesters thought it'd be used.

[junior needle]

Oh, if you mean maintaining stacks then yeah, I don't like how its designed either.

[frank saffron]

weirdest fucking thing

a mutant just threw me out of the map

[lilac gale]

lol

Can you reclip or do you need to find an edge to jump off?

[midnight mortar]

Yeah that happens.

[frank saffron]

nah i was near a very narrow doorway

[midnight mortar]

If you're lucky there'll be some no collision barrier gaps you can use to get back in.

[frank saffron]

it was straight through a door ur not supposed to go through

and i was near it when i was grabbed then thrown

[umbral scaffold]

you got sent to the warp sorry bud

[tiny summit]

I've had a few times where a mutant threw me through the wall into the next room

[junior needle]

If you dc and reconnect you can get back to the material plane

[lilac gale]

Is this worth acquiring? the perks seem mid for what Im trying to do, but the damage/stop is good, as is ghost

[flat pebble]

i tell so many people to alt f4 in game in situations like this and every time they think i’m trying to troll them like it’s runescape in 2003

no you dumb fucks

[tiny summit]

I prefer to save melk coins for lvl 4 blessings I want or exceptional base stats

[limpid hull]

any new changes to vet?

[flat pebble]

coming soonish

[junior needle]

Looks good so far. Ghost is oriented for deadshot/dnd setups and you'll probably want at least one additional stam curio for that. Stability isn't as important on laspis compared to other guns.

[limpid hull]

I took a week break, and honestly a lot of the weapons feel weaker than i remember

[junior needle]

Not since a week ago.

[tiny summit]

But I dunno know how much you play so you may get a good blessing with the final upgrade and can change that stamina perk and it'll do fine. But I also don't care for the lvl 4 blessing it has

[midnight mortar]

I would hold off. You typically want enough melk coins to be able to purchase several of something, so you wouldn't regret the opportunity cost if the next day something good came up. And often you're looking for the tier 4 blessings more than anything else.

[lilac gale]

Not that much, darktide is currently my "main game" but that currently means like 5-10 hours a week

[limpid hull]

did the revolver not 1 shot hs ragers on a full hotshot build before? Im assuming my surgical didnt proc but, still

[midnight mortar]

Unless the laspistol is the only gun you care about, I wouldn't buy that one yet.

[junior needle]

That gun has 2/4 things you want already, so a good outcome is guaranteed with crafting.

[limpid hull]

im just gonna go at it with a fresh perspective for now.

[lilac gale]

atm yeah

[midnight mortar]

Oh wait that's tier 4 ghost.

[junior needle]

It is indeed a t4 ghost

[midnight mortar]

Yeah in that case, if you want it go for it.

[junior needle]

No clue, I've been playing ogryn mostly and never bothered with revolver

[lilac gale]

for as tedious as crafting is, at least it's better than borderland's garbage drop system

[midnight mortar]

Don't give concessions and lower standards to Fatshark like that.

You're right BL's system was garbage.

But even so.

[lilac gale]

this is me being thankful I dont need to kill the same miniboss 30 times for a drop, then 300 more times for the right parts

so many hours in high school, wasted..

So, for laspistol perks, ranged crit chance and what else? damage against a certain type?

[tiny summit]

Can't go wrong with flak or maniac or both

[lilac gale]

both over crit chance?

[junior needle]

Yes

I prefer crit chance on vet because shock trooper

Flak/maniac is usually the best setup on most guns

[sharp epoch]

I hate borderlands crafting and loot system

also the aiming is really clunky on that game

[frank ether]

don't

for some reason

I fear for testers getting axed lmao

let us not fly too close to the sun again

[hollow turtle]

Lol Going to get the testers shit kicked in if it doesn't meet our high expectations.

[frank ether]

that'd also be bad

[sharp epoch]

The testers really dropped the ball like 3 or 4 times in a row already

[frank ether]

I don't want any last second reversals and them getting the axe for it either

[midnight mortar]

I will admit I'm dubious of most testers since I can't understand their thought process with this talent tree.

[junior needle]

Fatshark likely still does what it wants to despite the advice of playtesters

[deft lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-chuck-bruh-chuck-mcgill-bruh-charlie-bruh-charlie-mcgill-bruh-gif-25282673

[junior needle]

Also, as I understand it, they can't state specifics but can say some general things.

[hollow turtle]

I'm curious where they read their "feedback" from.

[deft lotus]

So 10% would be 1 damage

[hollow turtle]

Reddit

[midnight mortar]

So the playtesters are just there for good will generation?

[deft lotus]

Predditors

[midnight mortar]

I hated how they approached VT2 balance thanks to this.

[hollow turtle]

They are there for bug testing, not balance testing.

And I'm half kidding.

[sharp epoch]

They find bugs, but also give input on balance

[junior needle]

Think of them as there for feedback, but fatshark are ultimately unbeholden and will choose to make questionable decisions if they really want to. Of course it could also be questionable feedback guiding them in a direction that doesn't mesh with the general populace.

[sharp epoch]

that was how the closed beta did too

[frank ether]

surely some of it is taken into consideration given crab had a lot of influence over some weapons

[sharp epoch]

Crab literally brought dclaw to meta, kinda

[whole moon]

itll have to do, not spending any more on one today

[hollow turtle]

I'm actually a test engineer in real life. Just not for video games. It's more so bug testing than anything.
Balancing is kind of a secondary thing I imagine gets fixed after public release/feedback.

Test player: "Hey so I think X for balance."
Dev: "Oh okay. Let's see what the public thinks first so we don't base it off only you guys."

Veterans: "WTF is this FS?!"

[sharp epoch]

I think they've been working the other way, they go off the input then see the public reactions

[hollow turtle]

Dev: "It was the play testers fault."

[lilac gale]

at least they're willing to change stuff people dont like

I cant imagine it's an easy situation to make everyone happy without just bending to the hivemind

[hollow turtle]

Lol yeah. Emperor's blessings upon the test players.

[midnight mortar]

The VId certainly seemed to be balanced that way.

[frank ether]

if it was up to me I'd bring down every class to vet level rather than going the other way around. But I understand people want to have powerful builds

as long as they turn the difficulty factor to 11 I'm ok with the direction

[hollow turtle]

Lol could you imagine if they put a survey on player poll about "What's the worst class in the game?" And instead of buffing the worst class, they just nerf all the other classes to match the worst one?

[sharp epoch]

I feel like they also balance by popularity not performance, Vld hardly measured up to other classes performance, but it was a very popular choice

[frank ether]

I think teamplay cant be achieved if every class is perfectly self reliant so somethings gotta give

[terse idol]

Like ah it's complex innit
because I mean the play testers are probably working as hard if not harder to balance the game than any of our 100 opinions

[junior needle]

They almost certainly use a popularity metric as well, given how helbores continually get nothing but buffs.

[sharp epoch]

Also Veteran is one the most played classes, while Ogryn is one of the least played so that's why Ogryn is one of the strongest atm while Veteran is one of the weakest

[terse idol]

You won't make everyone happy, and nerfs, even if they're needed will make people mad

[frank ether]

currently we have the coherency mechanic to force people to play somewhat together

[terse idol]

Vet isn't one of the weakest

Not with VOC

[junior needle]

And recons have been sitting in the dumpster for most of the games existence but it's popular in the very casual populace.

[terse idol]

And weapon spec

[hollow turtle]

Gosh I'm terrible with VoC.

[inland orchid]

is ok i suck with it too

[terse idol]

Like, Take it down, VOC is great

Also the most played class is psyker

According to FS

[sick marsh]

AAAAny good?

[sharp epoch]

Wasn't it Veteran on the John Darktide post?

[frank ether]

find it hard to blame the players

[terse idol]

Was it?

[sick marsh]

I'd prefer low mobility instead of finesse.

[frank ether]

a lot of people want to shoot at chaff with their weapon

and stuff like recon or brrauto fill that niche

[tall torrent]

That was patch 13 first week and assail was otherworldly busted

[nimble sentinel]

Veteran, Professional, from Cadia, with a MG 12

[hollow turtle]

Genuinely, that would be surprising if that is still the case.

[frank ether]

assail is still otherworldly busted lol

[sick marsh]

does finesse matter on assault chainsword much?

[hollow turtle]

Lel. I play professional, NotCadia, MGIA.

[frank ether]

you have an on demand free damage button with assail

[hoary stratus]

what are the considerations for headhunter vs surgical on a vraks mk 7?

[frank ether]

I dont understand people telling me gunpsyker is weak because they run out of ammo

[flat pebble]

check the stat

[frank ether]

like do you not have assail

[flat pebble]

like inspect it

[sick marsh]

I showed it.

[hollow turtle]

As much as I like assail, I'm slowly trying to move towards smite.

[sick marsh]

here.

[flat pebble]

sorry coming from zealot chat

[hollow turtle]

It feels more useful to a coherent damage outputting team.

[flat pebble]

have you inspected the stat specifically yet is my ask though

[frank ether]

It is useful with a real team yeah

[flat pebble]

we can tell you it’s worth having but you should also review it

[sick marsh]

I'm asking if the low finesse matters on this.

[frank ether]

Also makes life very easy for sharpshooter vet

[sick marsh]

it's very good otherwise

[flat pebble]

it does matter a bit and inspecting the stat will explain why

it affects attack speed

[sick marsh]

is it worth using.

[flat pebble]

and the weak spot and crit damage iirc

[midnight mortar]

Damn son, want us to chew your food for you too?

[flat pebble]

can you at least meet me halfway lol

[raw steppe]

You really want high finesse if possible

[flat pebble]

yes it’s worth using

[umbral scaffold]

Boy I can't wait for all the "I need ammo!" chat messages from le heckin' big iron high noon fan revolver vets because they unload on poxwalkers with their braced revolver.

[raw steppe]

Cuz it affects attack speed

[sick marsh]

ok

[raw steppe]

Which affects how the weapon "feels"

Stuff that affects attack speed or charge rate on staffs is very important to high roll

[frank ether]

I'm not even mad people shoot at chaff with gun

I'm mad they do it with wrong gun

[hollow turtle]

GASP I just realized something...
I know they announced another revolver, but they also said they were just naming a few..
BOLT PISTOL is coming isn't it?

[midnight mortar]

You can't tell me how to play!! You didn't pay for my game!

[flat pebble]

they said variants specifically

[hollow turtle]

AWWW

Lol

[flat pebble]

i know buddy

[frank ether]

''I paid for the game I'll play how I want to'' mfs when they get the boot at extraction

[flat pebble]

i wish we had bolt pistol too lol

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo goblins get a votekick

[uneven kiln]

All veterans are Ammo goblins let’s be real

[frank ether]

nah

[hollow turtle]

The ones I start a votekick for are.. the ones that are not playing in the right region..

[frank ether]

I generate more than I use

[midnight mortar]

Excuse you.

[umbral scaffold]

Shocktrooper surgical vet with helbore doesn't need ammo pickups at all

Sometimes doesn't even need to reload

[frank ether]

I understand helbore vets dont affect vet stereotypes given how little people use helbores

[hollow turtle]

"Little people?!"

[midnight mortar]

Everday I work to alter this perception.

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/dammaz-kron-dwarf-gif-27703552

[frank ether]

ratlings

[sharp epoch]

If vets are ammo goblins, gunluggers are like ammo giants

[midnight mortar]

People see me hold off 6 ragers with a bayonet and realize I don't need the melee help in awe.

[frank ether]

gunluggers are given enough ammo they just confuse them for their crayons

[flat pebble]

the bayonet confirmed fucks

[whole moon]

Id forgotten about that bloody book til this

[flat pebble]

every once in a while i use the shooting function of my bayonet’s attachment

but the core of the weapon is the bayonet

[umbral scaffold]

Gunluggers be like, "why no ammo aura?!?!?"

[midnight mortar]

For real. I actually feel annoyed when I need to draw my power sword.

Because the bayonet is just that strong/fun.

[flat pebble]

i’ve taken to bayonet charging in circles around my team in airlocks and elevators to assert dominance

[serene sage]

Any Vermintide player here? Is there any kind of lifesteal mechanic in that game?

[flat pebble]

i want them to know if they could be poked they would get poked too

[midnight mortar]

There is temp hp.

[serene sage]

I'm just curious could you elaborate

[midnight mortar]

It's had a very contentious life cycle.

[flat pebble]

it’s the pre-toughness toughness

[serene sage]

So overshield?

[nimble sentinel]

Meh, serviceable?

[flat pebble]

iirc you had to have lost health to have space for temp health?

[midnight mortar]

In initial iterations, you could increase your max health with temp hp overshield basically.

[sharp epoch]

Bayo's prob gonna go away next patch

[umbral scaffold]

You could consider tempHP "lifesteal" since you generate it to replace lost HP. Darktide's tempHP is toughness which is always active.

[midnight mortar]

They did away with that later.

And yeah toughness is the most modern implementation.

[flat pebble]

i think what’s likely is they squash the main melee blessings interacting bug and let the bayonet sit for a while

it’s probably hard to tell from a macro stats perspective if bayonets are too strong with the bug mixed in there

assuming they tune weapons the same way bungie does, based on overusage

[midnight mortar]

Hate Bungie's balancing.

[flat pebble]

yeah it’s not my favorite fact of bungie’s process either lol

[midnight mortar]

As if weapon usage is supposed to be equal across the board.

Fucking nonsense.

[junior needle]

The guns look and feel good, they just BLOW by comparison and they really shouldn't. But also most of the playerbase is probably in malice/heresy now with the xbox releaser.

[flat pebble]

it makes sense in the context of like, trials i suppose

destiny 2 remains destiny 2

through thick and thin

[nimble sentinel]

Surgical and handcannon on revolvers right?

[terse idol]

I mean to be fair they didn't touch revolver, pguns, or the columnis last patch and they were pretty good

[tall torrent]

I’d assume most of the playerbase are in malice/heresy rn

[terse idol]

But they killed the recon because ??????

[tall torrent]

Not just because of Xbox

[flat pebble]

they were probably upset how ubiquitous in application it became

[tall torrent]

Darktide is #39 global topseller on steam

[terse idol]

If only because crit chaining was a little goofy

[nimble sentinel]

not quite a brick

[tall torrent]

So must have had a huge influx of players

[flat pebble]

yeah imo they way overdid it

[flat pebble]

will serve you faithfully while you seek to get rid of it

[terse idol]

Now its flipping deeeeaad

And columnis can chew threw muties no problem but you have to mag dump more than half for a recon

[umbral scaffold]

Recon las is still serviceable you just can't waste ammo on trash mobs

[junior needle]

Do I need to post it again

[frank ether]

I understand its kinda hard to build skill ceiling into something thats also designed to be easy enough for lowest common denominator to pick up and use effectively

I guess deadshot's existence for vet kinda does that to a degree

[junior needle]

I'm posting it again

[bright coyote]

oh my god

[junior needle]

It's "serviceable" insofar as you can kill things with the guns and feasibly win games. But their performance is very subpar and needs to be brought up.

[tall torrent]

if they nerf columnus I'd rather they nerf the recoil more than the dps tbh

[empty creek]

shawty geekin bruh walkin around w/o a shirt

[viral nacelle]

I did a recon las crit build and it sucked compared to just using a columnus IAG on my zealot with no ranged perks lmao

[delicate moat]

Finally, I have won the veteran

[frank ether]

Its a similar comparission if you look at infantry las vs ciag carapace dps I believe

ciag just has favorable TTK against pretty much all armor types

[tall torrent]

I need that

[viral nacelle]

Goddamn

[delicate moat]

It took so many dockets and plasteel

[umbral scaffold]

Columnus was overbuffed
But you have to take into account that one has zero recoil and is basically pinpoint accurate while the other has climbing recoil and shot spread.
Columnus also has way less range than the recons before experiencing damage dropoff.

[delicate moat]

Finally it one shots unarmored and flak bruisers

[frank ether]

so while I agree recon is bad, ciag is also a little too good

even in the league of infantry autoguns its outperforming the other two

probably needs stronger fall-off

[terse idol]

Well and the recon was overnerfed

[viral nacelle]

Oh no I can only kill everything close to me instantly, not everything on the map. And then I can use my recon lasgun to do nothing without recoil

[tall torrent]

there is no spread? unless u mean the weird visual recoil problem

[terse idol]

I mean, also you don't need to shoot many things at super long ranges
Snipers, The gunner that's kinda far away

[junior needle]

But you have to take into account that one has zero recoil and is basically pinpoint accurate while the other has climbing recoil and shot spread.

That's the typical excuse, but it's unreasonable for a gun to have massively below par dps and ammo efficiency just because it handles well. I'm talking 1/2 to 1/4 the dps of other guns on body shots, even finesse weapons (IAG's are finesse weapons). The gap is even bigger once you take headshots and multipliers into acount.

[umbral scaffold]

Recon is good where it's at now. Columnus was overbuffed, just like the revolver.

[frank ether]

recon will likely receive changes

[terse idol]

But with a sniper you can tap fire a columnus and kill them in two shots

[frank ether]

we're just gonna have to wait and see what they cooked

[terse idol]

Recon is Terrible rn

[frank ether]

yes, everyone knows

[viral nacelle]

Revolver is fine the reload balances it

[terse idol]

It doesn't even have good ammo consumption

[bright coyote]

bro has not used a recon lasgun

[terse idol]

Because the crit chain thing broke

[frank ether]

even the people you see in malice with shooting chaff at recon

are aware

[nimble sentinel]

my brothers and sisters in His holy name, y'all aren't gonna win this one against soldier sex number

[frank ether]

that recon sucks

[terse idol]

You can't even cook the ammo

[junior needle]

Bro has used a recon in sedition

[nimble sentinel]

the research is extensive

[viral nacelle]

I’ve used a few with las gun builds and it is ass

[umbral scaffold]

No it fucking doesn't. The fact that it can oneshot crushers on damnation is obscene.

[terse idol]

Let's noooot use insults 🥹
But still it's terrible

[viral nacelle]

Meh, if you crit

And you only get five rounds

[bright coyote]

yea im saying is booty

[umbral scaffold]

Not even a charged thammer can oneshot crushers anymore with thrust IV

[terse idol]

Well you can crit with surgical to be fair

[viral nacelle]

That’s true

[whole moon]

It's hardly like it doesn't come with a litany of prerequisites to do that

[frank ether]

thammer/helbore are in a weird spot

in regards to crusher oneshots

I dont think its revolvers fault

[viral nacelle]

But like, if you need to kill stuff besides crushers — like say a pack of a dozen ragers — the ammo cap and slow reload hurts a lot on revolver

[umbral scaffold]

What is dodging back + slide

[whole moon]

Krak grenades can kill more than one crusher do they also need nerfing?

[frank ether]

but what I do think is maybe revolver doesnt need this good penetration

[viral nacelle]

I had a two dozen rager patrol come at me in a tight spot and was very annoyed with my revolver

[whole moon]

I'm just trying to establish under what circumstances one shotting them is acceptable.
Plasma?

[flat pebble]

if you intentionally build to not be able to do so, sure

[quaint valve]

in comes plasma to solve all problems

[frank ether]

helbore 3 only has like a 5 second window with marksman keystone + volley fire stacked to one shot crushers

[viral nacelle]

Exactly, plas would have obliterated all of them in like two shots 😂

[delicate moat]

i find it funny how my vet has a better rashad than my zealot

[flat pebble]

they both make excellent use of them

[frank ether]

but consider revolver holds 5 rounds, helbore if you're critting you'll never run out of ammo

as in, not reserve ammo

you'll never have to reload

[flat pebble]

why would you need to reload a bayonet

[nimble sentinel]

which is funny cause you can reload the moment you pull it out taking advantage of the long swap time

[viral nacelle]

Does hellbore have a lucky bullet thing I don’t know about?

[frank ether]

bayonet doesnt do shit to carapace

[terse idol]

Need a fresh one

😌

[flat pebble]

i’m poking it anyway

[frank ether]

mk3 doesnt at least

[flat pebble]

mk3 bayonet is dogwater

[nimble sentinel]

now that I think of it...hellbore weapons specialist build might work rather well

[terse idol]

I'm feeling like the mk3 is just struggling because it's clunky

[frank ether]

it makes a funny noise

I'll give you that

[flat pebble]

entirely fair, carry on

[viral nacelle]

Gotta wonder what bayonet drill on the planet involves using the bayonet to slice instead of stab

[flat pebble]

oh you meant the bayonet on crushers

[frank ether]

do you know what also makes a funny noise

[nimble sentinel]

10 melee kills, swap it out, fast reload speed, click heads

[frank ether]

SHOVEL

shovel if you can get it to work hits carapace rly well

[tall torrent]

u don't need 10 melee kills

[flat pebble]

i mean not that it’s intended because clearly it’s not but i can solo crusher or two with bm limbsplitter mk 2 bayonet

[tall torrent]

1 melee kill makes ur crit chance go over 50% already

if the crit bonus roll isn't horrible

[flat pebble]

not that it’s like, smart

but you can

[flat pebble]

i need to try to weave in the push attack more

[nimble sentinel]

hey even better!

[flat pebble]

it’s so strong but feels so not strong i can’t explain it

[flat pebble]

they’re tripping on their foot a little bit but acting like it was the start of a bayonet slice and playing it off

[umbral scaffold]

I still find it silly that a revolver can three tap (or less depending on build) but bolter needs +/-7 shots to kill a crusher.

[flat pebble]

that’s because bolter needs some love

[terse idol]

Well, uh, it's... its a combat knife on the end (man you might be right)

[terse idol]

Yes

[tall torrent]

it's probably because helbore3 is supposedly made from higher quality materials to withstand a higher powered charged shot without exploding in ur hands

[spark helm]

Bayonets are also used as slashing weapons.

[terse idol]

The bolter is struggling

[flat pebble]

also that’s kind of just how game balancing works. suspension of disbelief is your friend

[terse idol]

But also, bolters have a bigger mag 😌

[viral nacelle]

Idk I see some people whip out bolter and mow down a line of crusher. Idk what on earth they’re running but it is impressive

[terse idol]

Oh waiit maybe not

[orchid musk]

And can cut down an entire wave of stuff.

[flat pebble]

on zealot with chastise it very easily can do this

[umbral scaffold]

And also a +/-6 second reload with a 2 second draw time

[viral nacelle]

I always feel dumb taking it on zealot

[spark helm]

Is gun zealot a thing? Never tried it.

[vivid bolt]

...

[viral nacelle]

Yes

[flat pebble]

ehhhhhh

[spark helm]

Feel like it's totally possible.

[vivid bolt]

Yes but dont use it lol

[flat pebble]

i wouldn’t call it gun zealot as much as zealot not trolling by using guns

[viral nacelle]

You can go hard with gun zealot if you want to

[flat pebble]

but there are guns you can use for sure

[spark helm]

Without gun as the focus just gun as a strong thing to swap to after certain shit.

[tall torrent]

gun zealot is like "why don't u just make a melee veteran"

[terse idol]

Well there is that talent to do 20% more damage with guns the closer you are to your target

Everything close range

[flat pebble]

this is what revolver has been on zealot for a long time now

[spark helm]

Feel like those high crit builds works very well as a burst option with high rate of run

[junior needle]

Like, columnus is overtuned. But it's hardly the only gun that easily doubles bodyshot dps on the recons.

[viral nacelle]

Like if I whip out ciag and hit fury I’m gonna melt some shit

[orchid musk]

I prefer zealots don’t compete with other classes for ammo, unless there’s not a lot of competition for ammo.

[spark helm]

Eh, yeah. Been there before

[terse idol]

Ehhh

If you build gun, take ammo, share etc.

[viral nacelle]

It’s not a competition, we’re just better in every way including gun use

[flat pebble]

a big point to make here for the uninitiated is chastise turns a lot of ranged weapons that are bad at armor to good at armor

[viral nacelle]

💪 Zealot 💪

[umbral scaffold]

Zealot keystones aside from martyrdom all benefit ranged weapons.

[spark helm]

And also, idc about ammo competition. I don't even recognize it as such.

[umbral scaffold]

Gun preacher is 100% viable but not the best.

[terse idol]

It shouldn't be a competition, we share

😭

[spark helm]

If it's some mid primary thing for zealot then I'll likely pass.

[terse idol]

If youre taking every big ammmo bag though ill get miffed

[spark helm]

Fucking do not care about the middle tree for zealot that much at all.

[flat pebble]

zealot doesn’t do flashy stuff for ranged if that’s your question. unless flamer just being flamer really does something for you

[umbral scaffold]

Gun zealot is all about laying down fire AS you get in range for melee

[frank ether]

I have a deadshot shout focus mark build

doesnt rly do well for full auto

[spark helm]

I was thinking more about full auto ramp up options to just dig a tunnel through a crowd if splashing them with melee isn't what I want to do st the moment.

[flat pebble]

i just kinda feel like there actually isn’t any such thing as a gun zealot. it’s a zealot using their gun

[frank ether]

but I can tapfire crushers to death

[terse idol]

Oh

I thought it focused on gun

Like shotguns flamers

Although it needs ammo econ

[umbral scaffold]

Is the jist of it

[flat pebble]

zealots can make great of use of weapons and especially crit shotgun stuff because of blazing piety but a gun is always just a gun on zealot

[spark helm]

You can use your suppression potential for potent setup for melee too. It's actually very strong.

[terse idol]

You know that makes sense

[umbral scaffold]

You lay down fire, get attack speed for melee and the more you melee the faster you get a reload

[spark helm]

Yeah

[modern dome]

ok but can we talk about how much i love your banner? it makes me giggle

[spark helm]

Kerillian hand maiden/waystalker type shit