veteran-class

[wind patio]

GOOBER GAME

[frank saffron]

Ah

[wind patio]

WTF

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Okay that needs nerf

[tiny summit]

Shhhhhh

[wind patio]

That's some silly shit tho

[pastel geode]

This is a cadian (forgive the recon last this was when it got buffed and fucking psykers even started using it)

[tiny summit]

I don't even use it.

Recon stocks are gonna go up. I can feel it

[serene sage]

no, you're a liar

[wind patio]

Next you're gonna tell me I can activate my power sword, swap to Hellbore, and suddenly it's gonna turn everything into mist

[sand hemlock]

i hope, i miss my beloved pew pew gun

[wind patio]

Bro

Recon slept on

[serene sage]

it says vet sharpshooter so this is pre-13 and recon wasn't buffed 🤓

[pastel geode]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[tiny summit]

Not atm

[serene sage]

damn got me 😔

[wind patio]

Infernus crit Recon legit contributes a lot for your team

[pastel geode]

It had a moment before the class rework, forgot what sparked it

[tiny summit]

Only thing recon got atm is sustained fire with crits and its zero recoil. All other lasguns and iags will be better atm

[sand hemlock]

ill never see how people justify infernus, feels like it tickles these days even at max stacks

[tiny summit]

The iags will kill something twice over before the recon drops something

[frank saffron]

Basically thats why i only use heavy accatran

[wind patio]

Idk, I clock in at near 500k dmg.

[frank saffron]

Doe its prob the worst recon

[sour elbow]

(angry table flipping intensifies) STOP GIVING ME FALTER LEVEL 3 ON MY LASRIFLES GAME

[frank saffron]

Yuh after fucking 2 seconds of shooting

[sour elbow]

It's been 3 or 4 times in a bloody row

[tiny summit]

Recon isn't unusable this patch but it's severely lacking even with infernus 4

[hard cave]

I would love it if the armor was solid color

[frank saffron]

Idk i hate the other recons other than the heavy one

[wind patio]

500k. That's through the whole match.

[tiny summit]

You'd do more with the other guns

[frank saffron]

Oh

[pastel geode]

When was the last time the store rotated for premium?

[willow badger]

Yesterday

[tardy sentinel]

What are y'all's thoughts on skipping survivalist aura on melee/support builds? I've heard people scream heresy but I love weapon swapping chainsword/plasma gun agile engagement/covering fire/weapons specialist.

[whole moon]

And how many of the ammo packs did you need to snaffle for the 500k?

[wind patio]

A couple.

[frank saffron]

Fuckin hoggin the ammo

I can see it hahaha

[wind patio]

No, really, I don't actually hog it.

[whole moon]

Lmao

[frank saffron]

Suuuuureeee

Its alright wed understandd

[tiny summit]

Use the other auras to force pubs to learn ammo management. I have the other auras on 3 of my builds to mix it up

[wind patio]

[pastel geode]

Damn, they completely changed the schedule as soon as I stopped paying attention

Got too used to Saturday rotations

[wind patio]

I don't like meta slaves. Use other auras if you are confident in contributing. Teams wont always need piles of ammo.

Damage aura is fine atm, speed is a bit of a situational thing but can be really valuable for some

[midnight patrol]

Infinite boolet is hard to give up tho

[spice wadi]

FUCK your team they will HATE you anyway

[wind patio]

Yeah, that's the thing I hate.

[midnight patrol]

Showers in shell casings

[pastel geode]

I got for the damage aura cause more damage plus it doesn’t overlap with meta slave ammo

[wind patio]

I had a dude in a lobby legit say

[tardy sentinel]

I'm usually good on ammo if I don't have to waste it on ranged kills weeklies

[wind patio]

"No survivalist idiot" or something like that

Like

I understand, but bro

[rugged goblet]

[wind patio]

Take off your crutches, put the gun down, learn to dodge in melee

[pastel geode]

The point of the skill tree is different builds

[tiny summit]

They need to either remove it and rework ammo drops in a map or just have base survivalist in every aura with the upgraded aura giving some small stat bonus on top of the base scavenger

[rugged goblet]

Just add bayonet to every ranged weapon 🥰

[wind patio]

I honestly don't know what to do about a class that can regenerate ammo aside from just integrating it to their base kit

If it's a choice, people will expect that choice

[spice wadi]

the problemo is that your three choices are vastly benefit your team/barely noticeable damage buff/reddit cope build

[midnight patrol]

NGL I wish they did

[pastel geode]

We’ll see what they’ve cooked up for the patch re re rework of vet

[midnight patrol]

The Helbore bayonets are incredibly strong

No other melee weapon is so reliable in one tap headshots so fast.

You can stunlock and kill ragers in two seconds.

[rugged goblet]

If I could, I'd bring a helbore without ammo as a melee weapon for my zealot

[tiny summit]

Take the bayonet off the helbore instead of my knife

[wind patio]

I mean, aside from PC4 PSmk6

[tiny summit]

Helbore proving polearms are a superior weapon in the 41st millennium

[wind patio]

Pffff tru

Though they're definitely fixing that

Right?

[tardy sentinel]

Does 40k have power glaives or something like that?

[tiny summit]

Yes

[wind patio]

Me when I ducktape my Power Sword to my Hellbore

[rugged goblet]

Custodians have some, AdMech probably had something like it

[whole moon]

Yes but not for our class of troops, you can make one with mods tho

[tardy sentinel]

That'd be badass, sweeping attacks vs piercing lunges.

[spice wadi]

idk apparently the bayonet buffs came from playtests

according to secret sauces

[tiny summit]

Going through the Eisenhorn books. On the 2nd. 2 people were got by an Eldar thing with a glaive

[wind patio]

I'm guessing they didn't anticipate melee blessing jank

[spice wadi]

the bugs ye

[wind patio]

Is it only limbsplit

[spice wadi]

altho ive been running a non-bug benefit helbore so I believe I'm only benefitting from BM

cos its on my mk6

[tardy sentinel]

The only downside of bayonet: no laser pointer from extended weapons mod.

[wind patio]

ok so bm too

You can get both from an axe

[spice wadi]

afaik its limbsplitter/bm

that roll over

[viral nacelle]

so heres my vet build. im trying to find one with executioners stance that doesnt feel like im committing suicide https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9abd858b-0edc-4254-8805-4c36d92a7c07

[tiny summit]

It still does work without the bug shenanigans. Unless it's benefiting from even more unintended stuff

[wind patio]

Another reason I enjoy recon

Is Onslaught

I feel so supportive

[tardy sentinel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a637509-7b50-4e46-8ed3-3321e4c1fabf/lead-from-the-front

[wind patio]

[viral nacelle]

yeah no i already did that

[whole moon]

Actually is a power maul so you still get the charged attack but its moveset is the crushers so no specific stabby stab

[viral nacelle]

im looking for executioners stance

[wind patio]

I can't wait until it gets buffed and I'm just

[viral nacelle]

ive been trying various executioner stance builds and they all kinda suck

[nimble sentinel]

I hate to be a hater but y'all gotta write in the text box underneath the tree

[tardy sentinel]

Executioner stance: tissue paper imo

[viral nacelle]

just for you i will add this: "bottom text lmao"

[tardy sentinel]

I loved recon lasgun executioner stance in P13 but P14 massacred my poor boy

[viral nacelle]

here you go https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9abed330-5b4c-4333-afeb-f7f16b3f79ba

[tiny summit]

What issue are you having with them?

[wind patio]

I've been thinking about getting the weapon customize mod. I've seen some sexy looking stuff from it (Assuming you don't look too deep into the details and realize how it clips and stretches models )

[nimble sentinel]

I'll take it lol

[viral nacelle]

the fact that executioner's stance sucks ass and makes you a weak baby man

[willow badger]

Is this using weapon customization

[whole moon]

If I use Exe with a laspistol build I get HUNGRY to keep that buff going, I get dragged out of position and BURN ammo to do it. Armies die before me. I am HIS FURIOUS ANGER

[viral nacelle]

also it gobbles perk points like i gobble chocolate cookies

[whole moon]

Yup and the extended plugin

[willow badger]

Oh lit

[frank saffron]

Been running it in auric damnation succesfully, but get quickly fucked if ur not on top of things

[midnight patrol]

Allowed me to make weapons like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167795601950376026/1179124726405275728/image.png?ex=6578a479&is=65662f79&hm=76d07755ccb392c737816edd022a187759ec90234ac89975478906b3150f8df7&

[willow badger]

Using the force staff as a hikt or something?

[frank saffron]

Darktide gets a bit to dark sometimes so i need the highlights

[wind patio]

That's hot

[serene sage]

No you are

[viral nacelle]

exactly. if you get into a bad situation it offers nothing. you get bent over and had

[wind patio]

omg ty

[frank saffron]

This mod is the best

[viral nacelle]

also can someone explain to me why executioner stance costs like a billion perk points to load up on stuff it should have by default?

[frank saffron]

Yuh just so just dont get into a bad situation and learn to dodge and melee

[viral nacelle]

bruh

dont you skill issue me or i'll do you like a crusher

[wind patio]

It was literally nerfed to "synergize" with the must take perks

[serene sage]

just dont get hit bro

[wind patio]

So Exe is a 3 point tax minimum

[tardy sentinel]

Laspistol is alright, has good rof and execellent finesse. I usually use it with melee builds though.

[frank saffron]

Behold my bolter

[serene sage]

tbf other classes usually have 2-3 points for their ult as well

[frank saffron]

Im not compensating i swear

[wind patio]

Yeah but

[viral nacelle]

obesefish whyyyyy

[wind patio]

They wont break your build not having it

Like, Exe becomes dead without the refresh + counter fire

[frank saffron]

Oh hell nah i give the backshots aroundhere

[delicate moat]

i swear some ppl are just very angy in quickplay for whatever reason

[whole moon]

I've been plasmaifying everything lol

[frank saffron]

At least u dont have to deal with the toxic chinese

[viral nacelle]

you strike me as the kind of guy who would fork another man in the ass and not even give him the courtesy of a reacharaound

[frank saffron]

Fucking terrible in asia

[sonic cedar]

Are the smoke grenades useful? I haven't tried them

[wind patio]

dont listen to them

dont listen

smoke is good

[delicate moat]

yes

[wind patio]

trust me

[viral nacelle]

theyre incredible for trolling your team

[wind patio]

Smoke is good

[viral nacelle]

like if you just want to ruin someone's day throw smoke nade on them

[frank saffron]

All@my guns get raking fire for a reason

[tiny summit]

Yes. Been appreciating them with the with the 1st Carnival defense

[wind patio]

I'm quitting smoke

Respect my privacy

[whole moon]

Don't tell me I... Kant.. make these monstrosities

[wind patio]

[tiny summit]

Army of 2 gun Lego flashbacks

[wind patio]

Doom plasma gun

[viral nacelle]

that game was great

[nimble sentinel]

it WAS!

[viral nacelle]

i played it with my brother way back when

[tiny summit]

Yea my bro and I loved it

[frank saffron]

Fucking sucks when supressed

[viral nacelle]

it was, uh, kind of gay lol

[wind patio]

I kept asking my friends and family to play it with me when I was little

[nimble sentinel]

that game deserved better

[wind patio]

NO ONE WOULD

[frank saffron]

I really wish the bolter was a bit better this patch

[wind patio]

[whole moon]

I can't pun on Columnus.... But I can curse it!

[viral nacelle]

this is why you have to have a brother

it is known

[wind patio]

It's a trade I'm not sure I'd have made, but considering I had the Gifted Child curse growing up

It would have helped.

[tiny summit]

Put a silencer on a bolt gun and plasma gun

[wind patio]

Bolt gun at least has an idea

What would even... happen on Plasma

[frank saffron]

Meta auto rifle size since were showing off our pieces

[tiny summit]

Idk. Make it work tech priests

[viral nacelle]

ok so another reason i hate exe stance is im trying to make it work with lasguns

it does not work with lasguns

especially if you take deadshot

[tiny summit]

Uh what?

[viral nacelle]

may as well call that perk "commit sudoku"

[wind patio]

I have seen people use perkless executioner's stance with bolter for the instant draw and delete.

[nimble sentinel]

qu'est ce que le fuck?

[viral nacelle]

see now that makes sense

[tiny summit]

I drop near everything that isn't maulers or crushers with lasgun exe

[viral nacelle]

as in you could randomly take perks and end up with a better build

so long as you avoided left tree

[tiny summit]

Think you're overexaggerating

[nimble sentinel]

exe stance gets everything that can be killed by a lasgun glowing yellow and taking bonus head clicking damage which is what the lasguns are built to do

[wind patio]

I like your name

[viral nacelle]

Yes or you could take an actually good ult because vet still has damage without it

Loads of damage

[tiny summit]

You just start 1 or 2 tapping anything highlighted during exe and get nausea from how long the vfx has been on your screen

[nimble sentinel]

the utility of the glow tho, and the insant draw if you're rocking the hellbore

[wind patio]

I turned off vfx on abilities

[nimble sentinel]

it's not all about damage

[viral nacelle]

Instant draw my man take a laspistol

[nimble sentinel]

you specified lasguns not laspistol

[viral nacelle]

Also god help you if it’s just crushers and pox walkers

[serene sage]

I mean not everyone wants to play laspistol and revolver

[nimble sentinel]

and a laspistol is not a hellbore

[viral nacelle]

And you picked the yellow on shooters instead of crushers

[serene sage]

sometimes you just want variety yknow

[viral nacelle]

Like why

[atomic zephyr]

????????????????????????

[frank saffron]

It does i use it with them

[stuck crystal]

Lucius MkIII doesn't need Executioner Stance anyway

[viral nacelle]

Honestly true

[wind patio]

Shout spam veteran with 12% Cooldown reduction and specialist refresh

[viral nacelle]

It’s better with shout spam anyway

[nimble sentinel]

honestly, this is so smooth brained I cannot take you seriously

you need to go to school or stop starting shit

[frank ether]

you gotta either take deadshot and stam curios or exec, not both imo.

[atomic zephyr]

me keeping exe stance going for a solid minute at a time with infantry lasgun

[tiny summit]

You're making it out like it's the worst when it's probably just different to what you like as a playstyle.

[atomic zephyr]

^

[frank saffron]

I need executioners stance cus my fucking screen on my lappy is only 14’

[viral nacelle]

A sane and valid comment

[south spindle]

Shove Flamer barrel on a Boltgun, it looks siiiick

[frank saffron]

But i do like the extra damage

[frank ether]

if you go exec and then slap a bunch of stam curios at that point you're very very squishy worse than gunpsykers

[atomic zephyr]

REAL

[frank saffron]

See

[serene sage]

everytime oddball shows up it's a XStance trash talk

[nimble sentinel]

yeh I figured lol

[wind patio]

I

HATE

[serene sage]

i do think xstance is hard af to use

[wind patio]

DEADSHOT

[atomic zephyr]

🤝

[serene sage]

but im happy it exists for variety

[frank saffron]

Its worth it for me i can use it without getting fucked

[atomic zephyr]

dead shot kills me

[frank saffron]

Cus remember im the one who gives the backshots

[frank ether]

I think if left tree had like a +3 stam choice at the bottom it would balance it out well as other trees get +25 toughness

[viral nacelle]

I think it’d be a lot easier to use if it outlined ranged and ogryn enemies by default

[stuck crystal]

I just like shouting about Cadia more than seeing a screen full of yellow mobs.
One yellow mob at a time is enough

[south spindle]

Take one stam regen delay node an have stam regen on curios, makes it a lot less painful

[frank saffron]

I can see ogryn targets fine on my smoll lappy

[viral nacelle]

And look I’m glad you guys have managed to cope convince yourselves that exe stance is good, but it is so much weaker than ults available to other characters and vet

[atomic zephyr]

why would you need to highlight ogryns they’re already stupid easy to see

[serene sage]

I mean I win with it more often than not in AT5/M but I think it's hard regardless. those two things can both be true

[frank saffron]

Its the fucjing shooters

[frank ether]

yeah if you going deadshot you really have to build for it

[wind patio]

Hmmm, I've kinda grown attatched to having health and toughness and not dying.

[viral nacelle]

It reups itself if you kill highlighted enemies…

[wind patio]

But I guess you really need it for Deadshot

[south spindle]

You can keep them, stam regen is a sub-perk

[frank ether]

also here is a helpful tip for you

[tiny summit]

Highlighting ogryns as a exclusive choice opposed to marking all the normal ranged mobs as a point is such a...why Fatshark?

[serene sage]

okay man, even if you are right, preferences exist. if we all play optimzed builds, every game should be 3 kickback ogryns and a revolver vet

[frank ether]

both focus mark and weapon specialist has ways of replenishing toughness and stamina

its only marksman focus that will not help with deadshot in any way

[stuck crystal]

Revolver zealot

[serene sage]

okay sure

[south spindle]

Actually it kinda does, because there is a regen delay node just above it

Which is big for Deadshot

[frank ether]

thats a very warped logic

[atomic zephyr]

imagine if headshot kills in executioners stance restored stamina

[serene sage]

the point is variety is important

[frank ether]

both other trees have +25 toughness which means you can get another +3 stam curio for ''free''

[viral nacelle]

Well below it, like six nodes below

[serene sage]

let people play what they want idk

[wind patio]

Is it valid to use both stamina delay nodes with DS

[muted knot]

Never

[nimble sentinel]

no, take the poop sword

[south spindle]

You dont need extra stam more often than not, you just need the regen to kick in faster and more of it, so you dont get insta-nuked if something pushes you in melee an you need to block on reaction

[viral nacelle]

Can a motherfucker get a search and highlight feature for perks?

[trim hemlock]

You could, but it’s probably overkill

[stuck crystal]

Very much true. I just hated playing Vet before patch 13 because of the playstyle, and now I can run in and shout at my allies to kill mobs harder while making them and myself tougher

[frank ether]

I mean think about it would you rather build for stam regen delay or have keystone procs that instantly refrersh a percentage of your big stamina bar?

[serene sage]

okay 😔

[viral nacelle]

Like why can’t I search the perk tree for “stamina” and have it highlight all relevant nodes

Friggen Obesefish

[south spindle]

Regen, because its useful in other facets of gameplay too, not just Deadshot

Namely, melee

[frank ether]

if only I had a keystone modifier that instantly replenished stamina when I bar swap 😔

[stuck crystal]

I don't think I run a single 'meta' build I got from YT, I just made my own and can clear anything with it. The builds are usually a bit more focused on support than personal power, too

[viral nacelle]

Also hot take but marksman’s focus is the worst designed keystone in the game

[south spindle]

Sure, but you said going down to Marksman's doesnt give you anything for it, which is just not true

[atomic zephyr]

meta build

[viral nacelle]

I know people can make it work

[stuck crystal]

Shield psyker, relic zealot, VoC vet and Shieldgryn

[south spindle]

If you go down the Marksman tree to the Keystone, you build for regen

[viral nacelle]

But good christ who thought up a keystone where the objective is to move as little as possible

[atomic zephyr]

yeah marksman’s focus isn’t super great but it’s definitely not hard to use

[tiny summit]

My argument is: I have neurons activating when my infantry lasgun is 1-2 tapping everything in the head with a near perma uptime of exe stance and I still complete AU5

[south garnet]

this was a baffling choice

[wind patio]

Stamina underrated for many aspects. Dodging is very good to know how to do, but knowing when to block is arguably as important.

[atomic zephyr]

I move plenty with marksman’s you just have to hit headshots

[serene sage]

YT builds usually aren't meta though
they are off-builds cause those gets view
like "LOOK AT THIS INSANE BOLTGUN ONE MAG BOSSES ZOMG OP PLEASE NERF"

[atomic zephyr]

accuracy by volume weapons work wonders with it

[south spindle]

It doesnt work like that. Moving is just the means by which the stacks fall off, all you have to do to maintain them is be accurate

[serene sage]

"OMG THUNDER HAMMER ONE SHOT DEMONHOST?????????"

[stuck crystal]

Yeah fair, point is I don't really look at any of those

[south spindle]

You dont have to plant yourself in one place, you just gotta get headshots

[viral nacelle]

Thankfully vet can trade all their stamina for the crit chance on one shot that a gunker gets by default as part of their build

[frank ether]

if your argument is that left tree has a singular 0.25 delay reduction node thats a weak ass argument just saying

[south spindle]

Which is compounded by stam regen perks on curios. IF you wanted to run Marksmans and Deadshot, thats how to do it and not neuter yourself

I didnt say its the best option, i said thats how to go about it

[viral nacelle]

Duck and dive is pretty good stam perk wise

[wind patio]

10% toughness reduction is nothing to sneeze at either.

[muted knot]

Are people actually running the single shot lasgun that isn't the high damage on e

[frank ether]

the other trees end up with higher base toughness, ways to replenish said toughness, ways to replenish stamina and would you look at that right tree even has that same stam delay node

[muted knot]

Can't remember mark names

[south garnet]

While I like the keystone a lot, I almost never use this subnode. The stam recovery from dodging up near the top is usually more than sufficient imo

[wind patio]

Yes, the infantry lasguns aside from the MKXII are very good.

[tiny summit]

Yea for the side with a stamina hungry node, there's almost no fucking stamina

[low oar]

Supposedly the mg1a buff makes it good now, and PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW from mg IV is fun and very viable

[serene sage]

even the mg12 is still fine for picking off non ogryns stuff

[stuck crystal]

I use a Hellbore MkIII, but my vet main friend uses a MgI Infantry since patch 13 or 14 if he isn't running revolver

[south spindle]

You're just arguing for the sake of it. You can quite easily run it with all Keystones, you just have to vary your setup

[south garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-reach-reaching-wwe-raw-gif-16766522

vets trying to reach their nodes

[wind patio]

Though, I highly suggest the auto-shooting mod if you're gonna use MGIV

[tiny summit]

Yes. Ia and MGIV are good

[low oar]

Note: for your sanity, the MGIV needs to have an autoclicker

[viral nacelle]

I just don’t get why gunker feels like a total shooting badass and shooty vet line with the same design concept feels like a limp wristed baby man

[muted knot]

I got the full auto mod which makes me wanna try them out now

[frank ether]

Also keep in mind this discussion started in relation to lasguns, most of which have rather poor base stamina (laspistol exception)

[still nebula]

Honestly for me "weapon specialist" is the "go-to" keystone just because it works in every situation and complements builds and playstyles that don't even rely on certain keystones.
Take the Grenadier for example; One of the BEST builds right now, you DONT need a Keystone to run it but Weapon Specialists makes it even better for JUST +1 talent point investment..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDuUTC4P-cc

[wind patio]

lol, then yes

[muted knot]

What kind of build do I wanna run with those

[low oar]

Skill issue probably

[serene sage]

to be fair disrupt distiny is so fun to play with

[stuck crystal]

MgIV apparently also chews through ammo a bit more than the I, because it's more spammy

[serene sage]

that should be vet's keystone

[south spindle]

Because Psyker has a much lower barrier to entry than Vet, if you want to get the most out of a ranged playstyle as Vet, you have to be consistently accurate

Psyker relies on crits, not being accurate

[low oar]

Disrupt destiny is pretty weak tbh with how often it procs

[viral nacelle]

I play every other class and all kinds of weird builds fine, but this one vet build isn’t great for me?

[low oar]

And just how annoying it is to chase after

[nimble sentinel]

not if you take shock trooper and click on their heads\

[serene sage]

wdym it's really easy to proc

[low oar]

And hope someone else doesn't kill your target

[frank ether]

you can get weapon specialist vet to feel as good with better melee in exchange for assail which gets the same job done

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

[viral nacelle]

Man I got the vet accuracy penance by accident

[serene sage]

you don't even need to kill, just tag it with damage

[tiny summit]

That highlight in the part 2 page about reworking the vet tree to make keystones more accessible? Be funny if fatshark just deletes the good nodes or forces them into the keystones

[south spindle]

Well then you shouldnt be struggling with it

[low oar]

It's not the ease. It's how long it takes between procs and the chance you'll get a close and quick target

[viral nacelle]

Yes I’m aware, I’m talking about left side vet

[south spindle]

An that penance doesnt rely on headshots, you can get it with bodyshots

[low oar]

No need to have edited. Bodyshits is also a correct term

[viral nacelle]

My point is that the best vet builds all largely avoid the left tree because the other two trees are actually good

[serene sage]

idk, I can keep max stack at like 75% of the time and almost always for big engagements

[frank ether]

yeah left side vet is kinda eeh, just gotta not go deadshot and go for weapons that dont need deadshot

[south spindle]

If you're consistent with headshots, you get a shitload of damage and value out of Marksman's

[atomic zephyr]

i miss the XII. tried my godroll out the other day and it’s just not the same..

[muted knot]

❤️

[low oar]

The MG12 never really got a nerf

[viral nacelle]

The issue isn’t damage. You could randomly distribute your perks in vet tree and have loads of damage by default. The issue is left side tree has nothing but damage.

[atomic zephyr]

wish it had a higher crit multiplier or something to make up for the low fire rate

[atomic zephyr]

it got crept out

[tiny summit]

Yea. Can totally track

[serene sage]

headshots? in this economy server powered by a hamster?

the amount of ghost hits is staggering

[south spindle]

I dont see that as an issue tbh, CK and ET should be enough for all your toughness needs

[south garnet]

"We've heard you! The vet tree has been streamlined. Shout has been removed as it shared too many similarities with the same zealot ability, freeing up the center of the tree - we have also removed unnecessary travel nodes such as confirmed kill, exhilarating takedown, iron will and demolition stockpile!"

[south spindle]

Its been worse these last couple of patches for sure :/ They fixed them entirely with P-13, an then broke it again come 14

[stuck crystal]

tbh, ghost hits have been very few and far between for me the last month or two

EU server, so there may be a difference there?

[midnight patrol]

Right. Bleed build is still carrying its worth

[tiny summit]

Seeing the dmg of a single MGIV crit headshot with max marksman on a boss when his shield was down one game did feel satisfying.

[untold mulch]

This tbh

Depends on day, is a coin flip

[serene sage]

hey didn't you sign a non disclosure agreement with FS? why are you leaking the new tree like this

[south spindle]

Yeah, it can be huge, but it does rely entirely on you playing exceptionally well

If you're not consistent, the other two capstones are probbaly safer bets

Particularly the ping one, thats dead easy to profit from

[viral nacelle]

Hilariously my issue hasn’t been specialists/elites because yes, I can dome them fine with the hellbore mk 1. It’s hordes. Left side vet has like nothing to clear pox walkers and if isolated lacks the mobility/pushing power to get away. I’m gonna try going ham on stam curios and switch thru some melee options and see if that fixes it.

Like as much as I’m trash talking exe it’s because I’m trying to make that tree work and it really just doesn’t on hi int damn

[midnight patrol]

Hmmmm waiiit..

[viral nacelle]

Compared to everything else

[serene sage]

how much damage do you do on average per game? genuinely curious

[low oar]

I like how zealot book ability has just a required node. You're just blocked from continuing the tree by an ability node

[midnight patrol]

Does bleed and fire stacks build up onslaught?

[south garnet]

I genuinely don't think it's even tolerable to play vet without minimum one stam curio

[viral nacelle]

🤷‍♀️ I don’t use mods

[serene sage]

oh sadge

[south spindle]

I've been running Maelstroms with it with no issues, so i dont agree with that in the slightest

If you're having a hard time in melee, PS6 is the safest bet because anything that approaches you gets staggered and dies

Shovel if you want to move out the way and get back to shooting

[south garnet]

Yea I'm actually completely fine with this kind of layout btw, because it's the only subnode you'd actually want/need anyway. The others are OK but not really necessary

[viral nacelle]

Yeah I’ve been using ps6 with cycler and yes obviously shoving

[stuck crystal]

I prefer the Dclaw for horde clear

[south garnet]

they should have done the same thing with vent on psyker

[stuck crystal]

Added bonus is the parry for Ragers

[south spindle]

Yeah also a good pick

[odd oak]

Mk 1 Devil Claw will work well for you

[viral nacelle]

I don’t think that’s a good argument. If the skill floor for left side vet is beyond me it’s probably beyond most players in the game

And yeah you probably better 😂

[south spindle]

Well thats just how some things are tbh, if there were no high-skill options, game would get boring after a point

You could run Exe' and ping tho

An that should work fine

[tiny summit]

Been liking the big head combat axe lately with brutal momentum. It's satisfying I don't gotta energize and still lop the heads off the flak helmeted enemies

[serene sage]

well he's talking about the skill floor, not skill ceiling

[untold mulch]

Yep, High skill floor is usually bad

not always

but it usually

[serene sage]

like how accessible should exec stance be to your average joe and I do agree that left side floor is quite high

[untold mulch]

Now ceiling

[serene sage]

ceiling is high too

[south spindle]

I dont think so, it gives you something to work at should you desire

[serene sage]

cause headshots are hard

[hard cave]

vet drip please

[finite imp]

Guys when can I get a shotgun that just loads slugs

Plz

[viral nacelle]

I mean when I see exe on a vet these days I can basically assume they’re going to be constantly dying and totally useless and 99% of the time I’m right

[untold mulch]

Left side requires way too much work from the user to "make work" compared to the other sides.

Imo tbf

[tiny summit]

Well its also a horde game. Left side tree is pretty much only ranged dmg and is good with it. Think most people like to worry about being vulnerable up close?

[serene sage]

I find myself doing well as left when im actually playing as a sniper, i.e. out of coherency range in the back

[south garnet]

my favorite experience with L keystone is still watching a guy with a brauto planting his feet and bracing, stationary, any time a horde of pox walkers showed up and then trying to farm stacks from them, then dying the second any specials/elites appeared

[serene sage]

just need to watch for stealth ragers/horde

[south spindle]

You can go play other classes to learn a load of melee based skills, they're kinda required to play left tree effectively

[viral nacelle]

I actually think you pick up more melee skills on classes with shit melee

If you’re playing ogryn you learn nothing about melee

[toxic leaf]

so uhh

[viral nacelle]

Because you can face roll across the keyboard and still crush most stuff

[south spindle]

Then why complain about left tree being bad in melee if you think you can learn from it?

[serene sage]

damn good roll
good luck at Hadron

[tiny summit]

Most players still lack good positioning and accepting they have to dodge or block even if a single enemy is a slight annoyance and break from your shooting

[south spindle]

Ogryn isnt a good marker to set either, because its horrendously OP at the minute

[stuck crystal]

I have a friend who occasionally plays (and doesn't really enjoy the game as much) who is in 'ranged' (gun or assail) mode 90% of the time, then goes down due to being surrounded. "Yeah, I just don't like Darktide that much"
She just refuses to melee

[frank ether]

agree not having it easy makes you pay real close attention to your positioning

death is a great teacher

[stuck crystal]

She mained arrow spam elf in VT2

[frank ether]

but some people are different I guess

[tiny summit]

The oh so quiet maulers doing a surprise dunk from behind

[frank ether]

some people like starting easy

[serene sage]

and that's... fine imo
preferences exist, maybe it's just not their kind of game

[stuck crystal]

Nah, she likes the genre. She just doesn't want to melee

[serene sage]

yeah those are deadly, especially when you don't have shout stagger as panic button

[toxic leaf]

i almost dont want to roll it because right now, its what could be. after hadron has her way, it will be benched lol

[south garnet]

for me it's the tip toeing crushers, you feel a slight breeze on the back of your neck and turn around to se- WHAM!

[merry oak]

did no one notice we got ninja'd a new backpack?

[frank ether]

thats how I started tide games aswell

[south garnet]

it's part of the pity set they dropped

[serene sage]

mutants need to shut the fuck up and melee elites need to use their outside voice

[frank ether]

also didn't like melee at first

[serene sage]

not even a hot take at this point

[frank ether]

and once you get a taste for it its addictive

[merry oak]

anything else or na?

[south spindle]

Tbh the major one that needs some seeing to is Trappers

[south garnet]

yes, it's a full outfit for every class, check your cosmetic options

[viral nacelle]

I think you misunderstand me. The design is bad on the tree because you have a lot of point buy for not a lot of performance (outside of headshot headshot headshot which it does well) or flexibility. Almost every other build offers a better combo of the things you need to succeed. I like the theme of shooty vet but merging some of these nodes so that left side vet can afford to buy some mid and left melee/survival related nodes would massively improve the experience for most of the playerbase

[stuck crystal]

It hurt me to let her play Elf, I used to main Handmaiden 🥲

[untold mulch]

The 1+ton Crusher tip toeing around us

[merry oak]

yea i see it now

[tiny summit]

I want the wd-40 the maulers use for their chain axes. Shit is silent

[south spindle]

Being netted through various walls and solid objects, not to mention them firing through Ogryn walls, is fucking painful

[serene sage]

I mean that, too. Most of my lost runs are due to Trappers and teammates crumble the moment im down

[viral nacelle]

Like seriously name another ult or keystone where there are 4 nodes to buy on another class

[frank ether]

thats one thing I like about DT there is no restrictions due to our characters being generic

last week we had a 4 veteran game

it was awful but we could do it

[stuck crystal]

4stack class games are a lot of fun

Just gotta make sure you cover the weaknesses a bit

[viral nacelle]

I’ve had some really good 4 vet games when everyone was shout 😂

You have so much toughness it’s nutty

[frank ether]

veteran is funny in that regard

[viral nacelle]

Really hard to die

[frank ether]

its off-buiilds are really strong

[untold mulch]

My group only bougght the game for the all guardsman party

If it were characters like VT, it would have been a hard pass

[frank ether]

melee and support vet is amazing

[south garnet]

any time you get a full stack, of ANY class, it's like a theme round

[viral nacelle]

Most of my lost runs are I walk backwards off a fucking ledge

[south garnet]

The entire game dynamic shifts, almost

[frank ether]

sharpshooter vet you dont want 4 of em all that will achieve is you'll compete each other for marksman/volley fire procs, horrible design

[stuck crystal]

4 zealots? Have a revolver or 2
4 vets? One or two with more of a melee focus will help
4 psykers? Purgatus, Voidstrike and Surge will do
4 Ogryns? ROCK, ROCK and uh ROCK

[south spindle]

Thats fair enough, i wont dispute for a second that its inflexble. Though we'll see what the changes are when they come about. I dont know that they'll be that overarching, but we'll see

[viral nacelle]

I swear to god I have walked off every fucking ledge in the game multiple times

[serene sage]

just use shout and stagger the ledge
are you new or something smh my head

[viral nacelle]

This got me good 😂

I’m still dying

[frank ether]

mm

[untold mulch]

I only have ledge problems when my brain goes I surely trust my PUG teammates with this barrel position

[viral nacelle]

Oh no, it’ll be completely nothing going on and I’ll find a ledge and commit sudoku

[stuck crystal]

Snipe the barrels before you run past them

[serene sage]

^

bonus point if teammate is next to them

[untold mulch]

I have done taht when I can safely

[rugged goblet]

I got thrown in the chasm yesterday by a beast tailwhip

[tiny summit]

Last night someone hit a barrel. Friend hears a scream in 1 ear and me "I'm dead" as I flew off the map

[south garnet]

there's a spot in the one where you start in the sewers, before you have to go upstairs past the healing station and activate the elevator, that's basically one giant platform.
I swear to god it's a coin flip on any given hi shock dam match on that level whether the match ends in that section - between bursters, an inevitable boss, often a DH

also it would be nice if the levels had any sort of name I could begin to remember

[untold mulch]

[frank ether]

there is usually a DH there too

yea

horrible with pugs

I hate playing sharpshooter there

[viral nacelle]

Oh yeah I am super cautious about that section. I’ve seen so many runs end in double pox burster -> everybody yeeted

[frank ether]

cause my teammates will fuck off and I'll be shooting 150 gunners on my own

[tiny summit]

I have been launched off the platform by a plague ogryn a not insignificant amount of times

[stuck crystal]

The best ones for that are the ones hanging from the ceiling. Be first, run past and tap them

[south garnet]

So many fucking times, god

[untold mulch]

I start hearing Poxbursters I GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE STAIRS

So many people die there is not even funni

[serene sage]

yeah cause you aggro 2 stages of elites with triple specialist spawns points and all around ledges with barrels/booses that can knock you off

[untold mulch]

Last time I had that match

[serene sage]

and moving up you can get pox busted

[untold mulch]

all 3 of the PUG were flown to the void

[serene sage]

and the ungodly amount of gunner suppression

[south garnet]

I swear that's the most dangerous section of any level, and people still just prance and frolick around it

[untold mulch]

luckly the respawn point is literally right there

as long as 1 survives the stairs is fine

[hard cave]

21st moebian my beloved

[stuck crystal]

But what if there's plasteel?

[south garnet]

this is actually one excuse I'm amenable to

[stuck crystal]

I have over 15 weapons I still have to let Hadron fuck up

And I have 600 plasteel

[untold mulch]

Rip the bandaid off

[untold mulch]

nvm

[viral nacelle]

Las pistol with weak spot traits always makes me laugh like b I’m not hitting the weak spot with this thing unless i shove it down their throat 😂

[rugged goblet]

Has anyone else noticed an increase in people who poke the DH lately?

[stuck crystal]

Yes

[untold mulch]

Aim at head

Hit their arm

kinda exaggeration

but yeah

[frank ether]

its ironic how good laspistol is

[serene sage]

not really
about the same

[frank ether]

better than infantry las imo

even if you ignore weakspots

[serene sage]

once in a while someone will trigger a DH

[untold mulch]

I go full crit

and dear lord

[south garnet]

laspistol is the only good lasweapon

[frank ether]

yea full crit laspistol

[serene sage]

once in a bluemoon it might be me

[south garnet]

there I said it

[frank ether]

I agree

[sour elbow]

Melk's selling this. Worth it?

[viral nacelle]

this lookin ok

[frank ether]

helbore close second

[untold mulch]

laspistol is A+ tier

[frank ether]

but helbore actually takes some brain cells to use

[viral nacelle]

youre not wrong

im tempted to combo deadshot with las pistol

[sour elbow]

explains why I don't get on with it. 8D

[nimble sentinel]

what the frag did you just fragging say about lasguns you little karker I'll have you know I—

[rugged goblet]

Wednesday I had three games in a row where someone just had to wake the DH with nothing to handle it in the team

[sand hemlock]

the emprah designated me as daemon purger, must carry out duties via pointing at it and making it yellow for some reason, then throw sticky grenades from halo 2

[untold mulch]

I do that

Hipfire is accurate enough, and I reserve aim for maulers and crushers

[stuck crystal]

Domes Crusher with a MkIII Lucius

[frank ether]

I recommend starting with helbore 1 or 2 tbh

especially 2

[viral nacelle]

It honestly seems like a good combo now that I’m thinking about it because it’s the only gun where you don’t really aim most of the time

[south garnet]

yea hipfire is solid on laspistol even out to medium range, deadshot pairs just fine with it

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

Laspistol you aim because you want to

[south garnet]

gangsta style

PLAP PLAP PLAP

[sour elbow]

don't forget autopistol and, arguably, the braced guns.

And shotguns.

[frank ether]

kantrael MG4 was my biggest disappointment tbh

I was expecting it to be a high stamina cqc gun

[south garnet]

do autopistols even have a use anymore? can't remember the last time I saw someone use one

[serene sage]

Bolter is a CQC gun

Can't change my mind

[frank ether]

Bolter actually.... makes a great sniper rifle lmao

crab was right

[serene sage]

It can do that too

[frank ether]

deadshot bolter

[tiny summit]

Really liking my MGIV. Been actually preferring it on my vet lately

[frank ether]

solid

[sharp epoch]

columbus infantry just outclasses it in every way

[stuck crystal]

That's because whipping out the bolter gives the enemy time to run 2 miles to get you into CQC

[serene sage]

Bolter is any range engagement

[frank ether]

I like it but its lacking in comparission to laspistol, needs more love in stamina and weapon handling parts

[serene sage]

Against any armor type

[serene sage]

Kek

[tiny summit]

Only my psyker has been blessed with good laspistols

[untold mulch]

laspistol with shocktroopers means you don't have 500 ammo

you have 1000

[south garnet]

remembering that several month stretch of all psykers carrying autopistols to try to game the free head pops, so dumb lol

[nimble sentinel]

I can respect that, I prefer my headshot damage perks but laspistol has its place

[sharp epoch]

bolters like powersword it sounds good on paper with the high dps but the clunkiness hurts it a lot

[tiny summit]

But with my MGIV with marksman and it has crit weakspot blessings, it's been funny seeing mutants and rager being 2 tapped in my games

[untold mulch]

I find very funny how laspistol is better against flak than the full rifle

[frank ether]

Oh and I forgot to add both laspistol and MG4 really should come in full auto

I pity console joes who use those guns

[sour elbow]

yeah, I wish it had a timed mode so you can't spam it and think how to use

[south garnet]

I hope they never get rid of the clunkiness of boltgun tbh, part of the charm. It does feel like it's a bit lacking regarding talent support relative to other weapons though

[midnight patrol]

Onsalught works with bleed and fire stacks from the Kant shotgun

Goodness I feel like I discovered soemthing funny here.

[tiny summit]

I played with controller last week while at my family's. I did bother with aim. Just ogryn and cleaver lmb spam

[sharp epoch]

its just weird that the ads single fire has more recoil and sway than the full auto hipfire

[frank ether]

yeah its part of the charm for me aswell, the clunk, the draw time and all. Gives it a ''weight'' if that makes sense

[sharp epoch]

so full auto is pretty much encouraged

[south garnet]

hell yea

[untold mulch]

and then revolver hits harder than bolter because lmao

[stuck crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-big-iron-gif-19017452

[nimble sentinel]

revolver shoulda been a bolt pistol

change my mind

[sharp epoch]

balance 😎

[untold mulch]

FR

[tiny summit]

It wouldn't be so bad if splash dmg on a number weapons weren't hot dogwater

[glacial mist]

yay/nay?

[frank ether]

the new revolver may very well dethrone bolter at its job lmao

[south garnet]

Exactly, but otherwise I'd be happy to see it buffed somehow or have its niche strengthened in other ways. not just make it more like other weapons to make it more 'usable' or whatever - make it worth yanking out

[midnight patrol]

Only enemy this tactic didn't delete instantly were bulwarks

[untold mulch]

Would be so funny

[midnight patrol]

Untill I tossed frags behind them lol

[tiny summit]

Not 380. Obviously trash

[frank ether]

I think it would be ok if they gave bolter some love in mag capacity / reserve ammo maybe

[glacial mist]

oof

ok

[stuck crystal]

That new revolver better have a speedloader. Only way I see it trump the current revolver

[south garnet]

how about melee bash on bolter is an AOE that staggers/flings multiple joes. I mean, can you imagine someone whipping you with a boltgun?

So you don't HAVE to switch

(quite so often)

[rugged goblet]

fanning will be a bit pointles if you have reload it after half a second of shooting

[novel moth]

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[frank ether]

could be interesting, I mean they did buff the melee for helbores and vraks guns

[glacial mist]

i mean, not like i can tell the dude to stock good rolls 😅

[languid escarp]

How do you fan? Special attack?

[glacial mist]

but yeah i dont think i like plasma that much

[languid escarp]

I hope it doesnt replace ads

[glacial mist]

also fanfire with a 5 rounds chamber?

miss me with that

[south garnet]

it probably will

[vital bobcat]

it would make more sense to replace ads with a braced ads for fan the hammer

[frank ether]

it doesnt have to be a 5 rounder

[glacial mist]

6 shooter pls

[frank ether]

we'll see

there is also no guarantee it will hit as hard as current revolvo

[stuck crystal]

My guess is hipfire

[tiny summit]

Fan the hammer and it's a 3 shot revolver

[languid escarp]

I dont think I would use it if its braced fan

[frank ether]

depends on the overall weapon

[tiny summit]

I just wanna see scriers and fanning it

[languid escarp]

Sniping revolver too good

[versed merlin]

why does this sounds like a meme

[south garnet]

We'll just have to see - I assume it will be a much more accurate/tighter spread weapon. If you were to brace and fan it and it was like brauto, that would suck dog ass

[languid escarp]

It is good tho

[frank ether]

Its good if it helps your breakpoints.

[sand hemlock]

cosmetic aura

[frank ether]

thats about it.

[south garnet]

Well I can't even tell where my 5 bullets landed, but they're still standing

[languid escarp]

Though survivalist is still too tempting

[frank ether]

also for ranged you have to t ake into consideration it will help with your damage over range with certain weapons

[rugged goblet]

This is what peak performance looks like

[frank ether]

so its not as bad as you think

its nothing amazing but its also not horrible

[sharp epoch]

captain price lookin

[languid escarp]

But it’s better than the Psyker aura and people do build psyker damage aura over cd reduction

Sometimes

[frank ether]

If it helps with pathing

that in itself has value

[versed merlin]

it does, thats the problem

[languid escarp]

Imperium finest soldiers

[frank ether]

which is mainly why people go for meh auras

[versed merlin]

and i dont feel like it helps at all in any breakpoints

so it feels like a waste

[frank ether]

people fail to realize ANYTHING will look mid compared to free ammo regen

[sharp epoch]

I see all the good psykers taking the CD reduction

[versed merlin]

im doing a weapon specialist laodout

[nimble sentinel]

price got no hope fighting in atoma, he lost his soap

[rugged goblet]

always on latrine duty

[frank ether]

survivalist is too silly good

[versed merlin]

it is

but survivalist is all the way to the left

[frank ether]

maybe the weaker base version of survivalist should have been part of all 3 auras tbh

[versed merlin]

and i need all the way to the right

[frank ether]

and then each aura adds their own flavor sauce

[tiny summit]

But nothing will beat

[frank ether]

that would solve this aura debate once and for all

[sharp epoch]

I'd say zealot's 15% toughness resist is a pretty comparable aura too

[untold mulch]

If they don't rebalance the entire ammo system, it should have

[languid escarp]

Only reason I have other non survivalist builds is because its not stackable

And sometimes you have more than 1 Vet

[frank ether]

seems like they dont have a desire to do that so might aswell make survivalist a baseline thing for vet on all auras

[rugged goblet]

I'd very much like to keep the guy wearing underwear with boots but sadly there isn't enough aquilas in the world to shower fatshark with to get that

[proper flame]

recommended blessing for the devil claw MK IV?

[untold mulch]

1% ammo
0.75% ammo, +% damage
0.75% ammo, +% movement

[frank ether]

its pretty good and so is the corruption cleanse yeah

but you see

they have choicces

that are each attractive

[untold mulch]

mhmm

[tiny summit]

While we have "choices"

[frank ether]

vet kinda has one insanely good aura

and two whatever ones

[whole moon]

This was recommended to me by an expert in the Wep but it's also a few patches old

[sharp epoch]

forcing vet to basically take it or theyre trolling is a pretty bad design though

[modern dome]

ammo aura go 🤤

[proper flame]

oh word, i got one outta two. thanks for the advice

[tiny summit]

I've yet to be flamed when I run my vets without ammo

[frank ether]

its bad for vet cause they get pressured into taking survivalist

nobody cares what aura other classes run

its leads to people being toxic towards vet

[versed merlin]

honestly, this

[frank ether]

cause they need vet aura for their gun builds to work

[modern dome]

i just love to feed my ogryns free ammo tbh

[versed merlin]

would be so much more convenient for vet building

[sharp epoch]

yes, but also worse results = "trolling"

[frank ether]

so do I but I also like not wasting like 2-3 points on pathing nodes

[modern dome]

true af

[frank ether]

It wouldn't kill the game if my %5 speed aura had a weaker version of survivalist built into it

[modern dome]

ammo centre node when

[solar bone]

You know it really interesting that there are lines of the commadore trading with Xenos on the morning star... opens up some interesting weapon opportunites in the future

[languid escarp]

I take the speed aura to save a node while also taking +10% melee damage

[frank ether]

speed isnt bad, its the opportunity cost that sucks

[versed merlin]

think im gonna try this

[terse idol]

Gotta crush survivalist into the dirt 😌

[nimble sentinel]

||survivalist really do be the transmasc blond twunk abs of darktide, without them there's just no point||

[sharp epoch]

the 10% melee is pretty clutch with agile engagement under too

[terse idol]

FS needs to add in more ammo drops

[modern dome]

LMAO

[frank ether]

lmao

[stuck crystal]

I run survivalist so I don't have to pick up any ammo

[untold mulch]

Tau Pulse Carbine when

[south garnet]

[tiny summit]

Ammo aura is nice on my gunker so I can pewpew more.

[languid escarp]

Agile engagement is so much better than right keystone fr

[sharp epoch]

i dont run survivalist and vacum up ammo like theyre ghosts

[modern dome]

bolter out of ammo
hound wave
full mag
🤤

[terse idol]

I just feeeel the mechanicus would be pissed (hadron)
And to be a little negative
We wouldn't be able to make the ammo

[sharp epoch]

IT IS, weapon specialist suuuucks. like attack speed and one crit is all you get

[terse idol]

Huh?

[stuck crystal]

I often end my runs with full or near full ammo. Just Lucius MkIII things

[terse idol]

Weapon spec is like one of the better keystones we get

[frank ether]

the %10 melee and agile is up there for the same reason precision strikes/deadshot is up there, its for off-builds that want to go a little hybrid

[versed merlin]

i dont think weapon specialist is bad

[modern dome]

good man
I wanna be able to lasgun in maelstrom but dont have one ironed out yet

[sharp epoch]

For melee, you get 15% attack speed and dodge distance. For ranged, you get one crit and ranged attack speed

[versed merlin]

really, im really liking it

[tiny summit]

Weapon specialist is good. The melee bonuses is kinda eh. I'm taking weapon specialist for the free reloads on revolver and toughness

[frank ether]

Its good and it gets even better if you run deadshot

[languid escarp]

If you take right keystone without agile engagement then wtf are you doing tbh

[terse idol]

Yes it's very good with a hard hitting weapon like a revolver

[viral nacelle]

Dead shot las pistol is fucking good

[terse idol]

And the melee buff is significant

[languid escarp]

Agile engagement is much better

[frank ether]

the only problem with weapon specialist is its difficult to reach which is a general problem for vet

[terse idol]

Along with CQC and infil

[versed merlin]

had a auric t5 run rn with it and caxe/revolver, managed to carry the whole team

[modern dome]

gotta try it, hmm

[sharp epoch]

Melee buff doesnt go that well with psword because the charge mechanic

[eternal sable]

in like 2-3 weeks they are reworking the vet tree again

dw about it

[viral nacelle]

Desperately needed

[terse idol]

Hmm

[eternal sable]

idk yo uguys missed it

but its offical

[terse idol]

Wait its still long enough that you'll benefit from the buff

[tiny summit]

Fatshark makes keystones more accessible! monkey paw curls
Removing popular nodes or forcing them into keystones you didn't want

[frank ether]

I'm taking survivalist instead is what I'm doing.

[terse idol]

I hope they remove survivalist

😌

[languid escarp]

If they remove Iron Will I’m deleting my vet

[sharp epoch]

Yes, but less than orher weapons, its hard capped by charge mechanic

[frank ether]

I'm really hoping for a vet W at this point

[viral nacelle]

heres what im runnin rn vet wise https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9abed330-5b4c-4333-afeb-f7f16b3f79ba

[terse idol]

You only spend a second to charge your psword

And the weapon spec melee buff lasts decently long

[viral nacelle]

you get a ton of melee power and still have very good shooty if you skip the keystones

[terse idol]

Eh I dunno blub

[viral nacelle]

trench fighter drill and iron will are good enough to be keystones in their own right imo

[sharp epoch]

I don't think attack speed in general is good for psword, don't even take trenhfighter

[viral nacelle]

10% melee attack speed and massive TDR is so good

[viral nacelle]

i doing combat axe

[terse idol]

Well thats fair

[frank ether]

not bad but if I were you I'd take out the top right two nodes and invest in weapon specialist for the melee attack speed alone

[sharp epoch]

Yeah, axe is great with it

[hearty panther]

Y'all aren't gonna be ready for the nerfs lmao

[viral nacelle]

kills giving a ton of extra toughness is better

[untold mulch]

Shhhhh, trust

[serene sage]

what nerfs? honestly at this point idc anymore

[terse idol]

Hopefully they listen to community feedback and buff the recon

[delicate moat]

• removed all toughness regen nodes

[viral nacelle]

NEEEEEEEEIN

[terse idol]

Yes yes yeess

[delicate moat]

don't get hit, simple as

[terse idol]

Toughness regen aint that good

Cause it doesn't apply in meleeeee

[nimble sentinel]

inb4 born leader sees no changes

[delicate moat]

im really looking forward to the stims

[frank ether]

yeah but here is something that might tickle your fancy, check ''on your toes'' and ''invigorated'' modifiers for weapon spec. Its free toughness&stamina on just weapon swap alone.

[delicate moat]

i want to stabby stabby myself then stabby stabby enemies

[viral nacelle]

too perk intensive

[terse idol]

The stims kinda make me laugh

[serene sage]

that's a given

[terse idol]

We gotta pick up the dirty used needle on nurgle infested territory

And use them on ourselves

[nimble sentinel]

Adrenaline shot here

[delicate moat]

finally, some good fraggin rations

[terse idol]

[delicate moat]

does ogryn need the big needle

[serene sage]

he needs two

[flat pebble]

oh you have a problem with how the god emperor blesses us?

[versed merlin]

im running a pretty similar setup, except i go stealth and run rashad caxe with revolver. did my first auric t5 carry and im pretty content with it

[delicate moat]

comically large syringe

[viral nacelle]

if the vet keystones and ults didnt gobble trait points like fucking candy itd be a lot more viable to take them

[languid escarp]

Ogryn skill tree is even more ridiculous, you can get the best nodes in the first few levels then the furthest nodes are all kinda meh

[versed merlin]

frick i was supposed to reply this to oddball and his build

[viral nacelle]

oh god ogryn is ridic, i have an ogryn build that is literally unkillable

like you have to afk for a substantial amount of time to die

[terse idol]

All I can say is, they need to add in at least a few nodes that go central

That uh, converge

[frank ether]

They'll make keystones easier to reach but I assume there will be nerfs for us in the store too

we'll see

[serene sage]

literally unkillable

[viral nacelle]

like you can get 13 toughness regen on ogryn

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[flat pebble]

what store do they be in

[viral nacelle]

its nuts

[delicate moat]

there's no way plasma/revolver don't get touched

[terse idol]

Plasma is fine

[serene sage]

which is fair imo

[tiny summit]

I play ogryn when I want a chill damn

[viral nacelle]

fine figuratively

[terse idol]

Why is everyone ragging on pgun

[languid escarp]

-30% damage from Ogryn while dealing bonus 30% to them as soon as you reach level 1 lmao like wtf fatshark smoking

[sharp epoch]

Yeah all you need is the base keystone and your good, Ogryn tree has some bad talents near the end, but the operative modifiers are all good to take

[terse idol]

[frank ether]

if thats all there is for us in nerfs I'd say fatshark is being charitable

[flat pebble]

it’s stronk

[terse idol]

The columis will get nerfed

Without a doubt

[frank ether]

It could take a little nerf and still be competitive

[delicate moat]

i really like the current state of plasma gun tbh

[serene sage]

columnus is balnced imo

[terse idol]

Its got one of the longest reloads in the game

[viral nacelle]

i dont think the gun balance changes matter much tbh

[frank ether]

I dont see columnus needing huge nerfs

[serene sage]

the plasma is slightly too strong but tolerable

[frank ether]

it does a little higher dps than the other two and thats it

[flat pebble]

yeah but honestly not a big deal

[viral nacelle]

like they clearly shuffle which weapons are good each patch to keep things fresh, not because it matters

[delicate moat]

i hope some weaker options will get buffed instead

[serene sage]

revolver needs a lot more buffs obviously

[terse idol]

Well it can shred everything that isn't a crusher in seconds

Columnis on mutants

[frank ether]

thats fine

[delicate moat]

looking at you recon lasgun

[terse idol]

Dead

[flat pebble]

it’s got an enormous mag

[serene sage]

watch revolver somehow gets buffed 5 patches in a row

[viral nacelle]

anyway deadshot las pistol with a stam curio, give it a go its nutty

[versed merlin]

yeah like when will i be able to one shot a deamonhost ffs

[delicate moat]

• acquired new speedloaders

[terse idol]

Well to compensate for it being able to only be fired 8-9 times so it is a little modifier dependant

[frank ether]

deadshot iag is also fun but needs a bit more investment

[flat pebble]

yeah agreed. it’s good but not quite spikey enough to warrant nerfs

[tiny summit]

Columnus nerf is absurd recoil

[flat pebble]

but you can just vent instead of reloading

[terse idol]

You dont use the columnus for long range though

[viral nacelle]

yes but then you cant take the "dont consume ammo on crit" trait for lasguns and have infinity ammo

[terse idol]

Hip firing is perfectly acceptable and well

I mean they'll need to fix the bug on dum dum ammo

[serene sage]

i sniped snipers 50m out on Carnival bridge with columnus 😎

[terse idol]

Triggering outside of close range

[flat pebble]

if you’re not maximizing headshots on an iag you’re kind of gimping yourself

[delicate moat]

im the mid/long range kind of guy so columnus actually isn't too good for me on vet

[terse idol]

And worse case you could tap fire to kill a sniper with a columnus still while aiming down irons

[viral nacelle]

counterpoint, gun go brrrrt

[flat pebble]

they’re excellent without but their weak spot damage is the chef kiss

[delicate moat]

would graia IAG be better for mid/long range?

[versed merlin]

what blessings people go for columnus

[serene sage]

yeah

[versed merlin]

i just got a emperors gift with possible good rolls

[delicate moat]

i should farm a graia tbh

[serene sage]

dum dum deathspitter fire frenzy

[viral nacelle]

you can get away with most things, its so strong baseline

[serene sage]

some combination of those?

[terse idol]

I swapped from pgun to columnus and the max ammo, coupled with survivalist, the sheer stopping power

[versed merlin]

i got hit n run 3 deathspitter 4

[flat pebble]

people also like stripped away dumdum for the buildz

[sharp epoch]

deathspitter is really bad you need to get kills within 8 m

[terse idol]

Being able to even have ammo to mow down hordes

[versed merlin]

a

just saw the dmg sucks

nvm

[viral nacelle]

bruh lmao

[versed merlin]

for some reason i saw a 80% on dmg

[viral nacelle]

"damage is my dump stat"

[serene sage]

I mean for the other stuff to be active (not just stacking) you need to be close anyway

[flat pebble]

that stab would suck too

[terse idol]

Dum dum and death spitter is.... what makes the columnus

[delicate moat]

i need to see how a 0% dmg columnus performs

[versed merlin]

yeah mob bis stat so i can go vrum vrum

[sharp epoch]

dumdum actually says close range but works from any range thats why its semi useful

[flat pebble]

it doesn’t say close range anymore

[terse idol]

I mwan even just having dum dum will put the columnus pretty good

No no no

[serene sage]

it stacks on any range but damage is only active at close range?

[viral nacelle]

funny thing is i have a great columnus iag on psyker and zealot but not on my vet

[frank ether]

can just go survivalist instead

[terse idol]

Its good even if it's close

The columnus is an smg anyways

[viral nacelle]

PEASANT

[terse idol]

So death spitter is great with it

[frank ether]

hey, if it means I can magdump ciag

[versed merlin]

darktide moment

[delicate moat]

but the 5% dmg aura cannot be given up

[terse idol]

Because you'll mulch, everything from ragers to mutants in seconds

[serene sage]

it's an automatic rifle 😦 smg is more like the recon and autopistol imo

[viral nacelle]

i just take it to shorten the path to power shout

[nimble sentinel]

take both and you got the ammo economy to shoot everything

[sharp epoch]

imo I'd just take like one of the defensive ones like stripped down

[terse idol]

Even if the dum dum range is fixed

I can see columnus still being incredible

[viral nacelle]

also deadshot and executioner is a bad combo imo

youre too vulnerable because no shout and no stam

[flat pebble]

but deeps

[terse idol]

Its practically a cabine 🥹
Short barrel, close-mid range

[serene sage]

all im hearing is get back in the fight value

[serene sage]

no

you're wrong

sorry

[terse idol]

[flat pebble]

well now that we’ve concluded that

[viral nacelle]

is brittleness good?

the fuck even is it?

[frank ether]

kinda feels overkill at that point tbh

[flat pebble]

isn’t it just team tending

rending

[serene sage]

it's rending but as a debuff to the enemy

[tiny summit]

Recon buffs. Recon buffs. Recon buffs.

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-wwe-gif-25427770

[viral nacelle]

ok, so not bad

[flat pebble]

not at all

[serene sage]

it's great

[urban steppe]

what i need as a second blessing and which perk i need to change

[quaint valve]

better than normal rending

[inland orchid]

IS THAT THE UNDERTAKER?!

[terse idol]

Well if you're taking no ammo Loss on las gun crit
Most weapons that use it are pretty ammo efficient anyways

[flat pebble]

there’s a silly DoT interaction with thunderous you can do that makes crushers made of paper

[versed merlin]

not the chain axe bro

[nimble sentinel]

it's actually quite nice and kind of what I am intentionally going for, I risk melee a whole lot less when I can wipe out a mixed horde before anyone can take a swing

[terse idol]

Like regular Las and helbore

[urban steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[near sable]

I remember when chaxe could OHK crushers from neutral

[nimble sentinel]

I'm taking suppression immunity anyway so it's also just one point

[frank ether]

Idk I feel like lasguns arent all that good for shooting hordes a lot of them are semi auto precision guns and recon is bad at everything

like just... pick off the specials/gunners

and then melee the chaff

time efficient

[nimble sentinel]

that's why I rock the IV. I still pick the specials but when they're dead I just click on the zombie heads

[frank ether]

when I feel lazy yea sure

[near sable]

Y E S

[flat pebble]

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/astartes-warhammer40k-spacemarine-armour-laser-gif-17566336

MG4 gameplay

[frank ether]

I'd much rather have IV amped up but have it consume more ammo tbh

it should be a close range variant

[languid escarp]

Enemy taking my recon shots

[near sable]

I'd like the MG4 to not have a fucking stock so I can have my Armageddon SL lascarbine

[frank ether]

imagine +2 extra stam for MG4 and normal fall-off so it does max damage up close rather than at range

[nimble sentinel]

in the days of dark souls 3 arena pvp I was that one little shit dodge rolling with a compound bow and getting quick shots until the strength weapon chads got so pissed they made themselves wide open for my straight sword

lasgun vet is

very appealing

[frank ether]

lol

I'll admit to playing souls games offline

[near sable]

parried + l + soul-less + 10 chaos dagger + parried

[frank ether]

actually I dont hate pvp believe it or not

its just that souls games are well... besides being a security hazard, very cheater infested

[versed merlin]

i always sucked at pvp so i never bothered

[near sable]

invasions are quintessential ds

[nimble sentinel]

parry this casul

[frank ether]

fatshark plox gib lmg

[terse idol]

Fancy

[versed merlin]

those elden ring mods that you turn into a militar jet throwing a nuclear bomb at radahns ass be like

[viral nacelle]

i have something seriously wacky im gonna try

[light creek]

i rolled this what should i change ?

[languid escarp]

No PC4 trash

[near sable]

he's gonna

[nimble sentinel]

french funni doctrine moment

[languid escarp]

Sorry I dont make the rules

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-steve-harvey-family-feud-yes-kill-gif-22934983

[untold mulch]

Damn

[untold mulch]

I always had a crossbow in my off hand