If I take off the 20% reload speed, I would also take off the 20% sprint cost
#veteran-class
karmic musk
grave cargo
Combo'd with on elite kill you can reload extremely fast
karmic musk
To get 5% grenade on elite/spec kill since you have no demo stockpile
grave cargo
This is a high speed low drag build that lets me reposition extremely quickly
And reliably, and keep downing specials and shooters on auric as I do so
Which is kinda why I have the shared vision for allies, because there's a lot of specials
stray storm
Would it be logical to get the same power sword but with a slight increase of stats?
gilded cobalt
it might be worth it to free up the blessing edits
trim steppe
New vet tree leaked
karmic musk
holy
grave cargo
Would it be logical to get the same power sword but with a slight increase of st...
Left one is a bit nicer, probably worth it tbh
You don't need to change the perks so you can save PC3 until you get PC4 to swap on it even
karmic musk
New vet tree leaked
should put those extra nodes right after grenades, so you can't even get to upgrade Ult 
languid escarp
gilded cobalt
when does the pain end. when does power cycler 4 reveal itself
karmic musk
2025
trim steppe
when does the pain end. when does power cycler 4 reveal itself
You need to sacrifice at least 500 more psykers
grave cargo
PC4 is the rarest blessing in the game yeah
karmic musk
It comes just in time for FS to nerf Pswords again
trim steppe
I hope they just give the PS 3 powered swings by default again and make the PC blessing do something else. Its stupid design atm but whats new
whole moon
Want an expensive tip to increase your chance a little?
karmic musk
I hope they just give the PS 3 powered swings by default again and make the PC b...
Stupid design is FS's motto
trim steppe
Fatshark is probably some sadist's pet project. Make games so fun that people will play them no matter what, and then make everything else insane and infuriating for no reason
mellow adder
What should I change on this?
trim steppe
Hit and Run to No Respite. Not sure what I'd do with the perks.
mellow adder
ah ty!
trim steppe
I dont think it does much to carapace right? probably roll that to maniac (or flak)
mellow adder
I'm new to shotguns and don't have many blessings
trim steppe
Well full bore is great so keep that! Nice roll btw
mellow adder
How does Scattershot work? Do all shots have to hit which increases crit chance?
buoyant slate
does the lucius have access to infernus?
second question that is probably dumb, can the bayonet on the lucius trigger infernus?
trim steppe
does the lucius have access to infernus?
Yes it does, I dont think the bayonet does but idk
buoyant slate
damn
brisk sapphire
trim steppe
How does Scattershot work? Do all shots have to hit which increases crit chance?
No it doesnt need all hits to land, but you get more crit for each pellet that does land in a different target
buoyant slate
and since the incendiary shot has supermegacleave you can hit many enemies with it
like it goes until it hits geometry
proven plaza
another skill tree change? this is worse than astrologan in final fantasy 14
hearty panther
fresh mango
Ayy congrats
buoyant slate
next question do the bayonets on the mk1 and mk2 lucius do different damage?
fresh mango
and that’s not the cover art helmet
It’s a very close look a like
the actual helm is in the files
as is the entire armor set
my best guess is they’ll be part of the next penance drop
Which more free cosmetics are always great
Nah I think they’ll be a separate set not requiring anything from the other penance sets
tall torrent
next question do the bayonets on the mk1 and mk2 lucius do different damage?
Same dmg
fresh mango
Beat each mission type on Auric
fresh mango
They are considered the like, main characters?
Cover character, whatever
They’ve been in most trailers
tall torrent
Beat each mission type on Auric
Auric is just a special playlist with higher difficulty modifiers though, it’s still the same scaling as regular heresy & damnation with same modifiers
buoyant slate
yeah the vanguard sets are nifty
fresh mango
That is true, but it would be cool thematically
Having to knock out the hardest the inquisition has to offer to look like the best of the best
whole moon
Aaah the farthuffer mk IX
leaden hearth
It's so you can hear what your smelling. True Auric level operators use all their senses.
umbral scaffold
IMPERIAL WEAKLINGS FACE ME IN THE AMPHITHEATRE!
I'LL TAKE YOU ALL ON, BY MYSELF.
MY STIMMS! MY SPOILS OF WAR! THE TWINS! YOU WILL PAY FOR THEM ALL!
Next year, maybe, possibly, if Sweden doesn't get much snow.
buoyant slate
so like. how big was me moebian 6th, you think?
umbral scaffold
Thousands to hundreds of thousands.
buoyant slate
because even with like groaners and poxwalkers and the cult of whatever being lots of bodies between us and them to dilute how many we kill, we do still kill like a thousand plus bodies a mission before that dilution
umbral scaffold
Well, hive cities house like 100 to 500 billion people
We aren't running out of people to cut down for a while
whole moon
Well, hive cities house like 100 to 500 billion people
And that's JUST Tertium Prime, one of the cities on Atoma which is one planet in the Moebian system
umbral scaffold
They are also probably recruiting planetside too
buoyant slate
yeah we're not running out of groaners or poxers or possibly dregs any time soon, but ;ike unless they're recruiting, the scabs are limited
umbral scaffold
They probably are
midnight mortar
so like. how big was me moebian 6th, you think?
The size of a Guard Regiment can vary wildly from region to region. Anywhere from 1000 to 10,000 or more depending. There's no real standardization given the scale of the Militarum and logistical reality of a given system.
atomic zephyr
10,000 scabs die an hour lmao
buoyant slate
i'm aware there's no real standardization of number, but 10k tends to be on the upper end for a regiment and we've been butchering a laut
terse idol
Us as we take the random stim we found in the random Dredge gutter next to a vent that was spewing purple gas
umbral scaffold
40K number scaling is always better if you add a few 0s to the end
atomic zephyr
^
terse idol
so like. how big was me moebian 6th, you think?
I'm gonna theorize, big enough to have staged a coup and killed all the moebian 21st
Like the scale of just the hiveworld we're in is MASSIVE
We're like ants in comparison
whole moon
.... Zola... Is that you?
terse idol
Literally ants in a ant hill
midnight mortar
i'm aware there's no real standardization of number, but 10k tends to be on the ...
I mean, you can't really take every single player's performance in the game as a 1:1 representation of what's actually going on.
Otherwise the setting just falls apart.
terse idol
Well we take the canon route
Our rejects turn level 30 and do each mission perfectly the first time
midnight mortar
buoyant slate
unrelated question: what difficulty do you think is the closest to canon experience?
terse idol
So a group of 4 is literally taking on hordes, and in theory the fights must be even harder
umbral scaffold
If we take an auric maelstrom mission as baseline for our character's skill and prowess. That is if they make it out alive. Then they are pretty much Ciaphas Cain tier.
Just poxwalkers alone can overpower a space marine if theres enough numbers of them.
dusk idol
unrelated question: what difficulty do you think is the closest to canon experie...
auric damnation
gilded cobalt
anyone got a good build to use revolver on vet?
umbral scaffold
Middle and right side. Pick whichever flavor.
Scavenger is mandatory unless you are confident in teammates not scooping up all the ammo and you aren't wasting shots on trash.
dusk idol
i use left and middle tree for my revolver
grave cargo
anyone got a good build to use revolver on vet?
gilded cobalt
ty everyody!
grave cargo
With Handcannon and good crit pen and damage on your revolver this 1 shots everything in the game except bosses
Feel free to change out if you want iron will
finite imp
.... Zola... Is that you?
ELP ME UP
umbral scaffold
So many wasted talent points.
grave cargo
All of these were specifically chosen to perform optimally on auric
dusk idol
revolver doesn't need ET or reload speed, they're just nice to haves
grave cargo
Reload speed is pretty important when you have 5 shots and there's 9 specials trying to kill your team
Also this makes it very easy to pop 5 shooters, duck behind a wall, reload fully, then pop 5 more shooters instead of having to shoot mid reload to not lose ult
umbral scaffold
That's why you also build for melee with revolver and not waste ammo on basic shooters
grave cargo
yeah that's great but actually play the game and there's lots of times you can't just run into melee
dusk idol
Reload speed is pretty important when you have 5 shots and there's 9 specials tr...
again, its nice to have, but its not necessary
grave cargo
Especially if you don't have duck and dive to get you there
Also you can pen like
4 shooters in a row
Sometimes they clump up so nicely and you can liquidate an entire patrol in 4 shots
umbral scaffold
Keyword, "sometimes"
grave cargo
Usually once or twice a mission
There's a lotta shooters
Like I said, do what you want, that's just mine
umbral scaffold
You are better off going weapon specialist with revolver so you get free reloads and a guaranteed crit off melee kills
grave cargo
How many hours do you have
stark plinth
again, its nice to have, but its not necessary
True, each bullet counts. Just don't miss.
dusk idol
hours =/= good
grave cargo
Do what you want, don't pretend this is some awful build when this shit is making Auric feel like malice to me
tropic hawk
I only use the revolver for horde clear
fresh jungle
Do what you want, don't pretend this is some awful build when this shit is makin...
you need shittier teamates for the true maelstrom experience
game is too easy with good teamates
umbral scaffold
More props to you if you can make that work but most people can't even aim and manage infantry rifles
grave cargo
One shotting crushers from across the map without putting any perks into ogryn killing gives me a mighty feeling of superiority
Two pops maulers out of ult too
umbral scaffold
That's just revolver being overtuned
dusk idol
honestly, any build with the revolver will work alright, but ET and VA are not necessary, you could divert away from exec stance as well as marksman to pick up shout and iron will for additonal surviability whilst still keeping your damage
novel moth
One message removed from a suspended account.
terse idol
Just poxwalkers alone can overpower a space marine if theres enough numbers of t...
Well uhhh, that's where the power level gets funky
dusk idol
as well as deadshot for extra crit, bring it down, etc etc
grave cargo
Executioner's stance is what makes this build so OP
And I have surgical so I don't actually need more crit
fresh jungle
my right tree build is my fav
dusk idol
but is it necessary? you can one shot reapers and bulwarks without exec stance
terse idol
really I don't think atoma would survive if even 1 space marine set foot
Typically what takes down a space marine are like, chaos space marines, Big Tyranids
dusk idol
so the real value you're getting out of it is crusher deletion
grave cargo
If you spec into ogryn damage
terse idol
Basically only a space marines equal
grave cargo
I'm getting a lot of weakspot damage as well
terse idol
Can take down a space marine
grave cargo
Which helps shore up the melee a little
finite imp
Pick up knife, serrate blade, uncanny strike, mercy killer, trench drills
Become a whirlwind
umbral scaffold
Not true, space marines die to basic shit all the time
terse idol
The moebian 6th are all anti-infantry, space marine is super heavy infantry
grave cargo
This build isn't even like, fragile, beacuse you're regenerating a shitton of toughness and have a lot of DR
terse idol
I don't think
dusk idol
where's that clip of two space marines struggling with some pox walkers
terse idol
Not true, space marines die to basic shit all the time
Really?
I mean it can't be too basic
grave cargo
I usually have least damage taken so Iron Will is a lot of investment for a loss of flexibility
I don't even have much DR on my curios
finite imp
Space Marines are still made of flesh under the armor
terse idol
I would think canon space marines can take down alotta shit
umbral scaffold
finite imp
Get past the armor and the flesh will give
grave cargo
Space Marines are as durable as the story needs them to be
terse idol
Space Marines are still made of flesh under the armor
Well reinforced flesh
dusk idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tTpwb54_Pg
that's the one
terse idol
Space Marines are as durable as the story needs them to be
That is the tough part
Because legendary space marines don't wear helmets
grave cargo
Either their skeletons are thick enough to bounce tank shells or they get shived to death by half starved children
grave cargo
There's basically no in between
fresh jungle
nurgle blessed children
whole moon
Yeah, that plot armour is real thick but will fail at weird moments
terse idol
They will take alot to take down
Compared to guardsmen
Who 2billion die
And nobody bats an eye
grave cargo
You have to keep in mind
terse idol
Because that was the first assault wave
grave cargo
40k was written in 80s rule of cool and is now 60 years of authors trying to one up each other
terse idol
Yeah
grave cargo
Harlequins suffer from this even more than space marines do
If you see a bunch of space marines
they're gonna wreck everything
terse idol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tTpwb54_Pg
I'm gonna complain and be a massive nerd
grave cargo
If you see a bunch of harlequins they're going to job harder than guardsmen in a Tau book
left crag
Veteran Talent Tree Update: adding Keystones and several tweaks and changes to the Veteran tree (due to these changes, Veterans have seen their talent tree reset and players have to re-assign talent points)
when will it end
grave cargo
If you see one harlequin they're going to murderfuck everything in 100 miles
terse idol
At best its a fananim
delicate estuary
And nobody bats an eye
terse idol
To make tension
umbral scaffold
That just ain't story space marines
An entire animated series dedicated to them on 40K+
grave cargo
Since everything is made up and the points don't matter
And most of the time the numbers don't make sense anyways
Don't think too hard about it
Seriously every time the Space Marines are deployed they lose like 10% of a Chapter MINIMUM yet they somehow still exist
tropic hawk
1000 marines to a chapter lol
terse idol
An entire animated series dedicated to them on 40K+ <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290...
Oh the animated series with the guardsmen fighting in that trench?
isn't that one really bad
🥹
grave cargo
That's attrition rates that just don't make sense when you only have 1 million of the guy in a galaxy full of tens of trillions of people and they're somehow still everywhere even though they take 60 years to create
soft solstice
Man, are they going to reset all veteran builds again?
dusk idol
probably
grave cargo
I hope so I love clicking on buttons
terse idol
Seriously every time the Space Marines are deployed they lose like 10% of a Chap...
Oh because their organs are salvaged later
😌
Can't waste good gene seed
dusk idol
isn't there a story about jacked up ogryns bullying space marines?
grave cargo
yeah does that also allow them to salvage 300 year old Space Marine bodies too
terse idol
isn't there a story about jacked up ogryns bullying space marines?
Yesss, and iirc that didn't have their armour on?
tropic hawk
isn't there a story about jacked up ogryns bullying space marines?
*off
terse idol
But I don't remeber
grave cargo
Cause there sure are a lot of those guys around despite them apparently suffering 300% casualty rates every decade
soft solstice
I know it won’t be hard to rebuild them but I have a lot so it’ll be a pain in the ass to do
terse idol
Yes 40k in the logistics side of it is really silly
But I do like to think and try to make up how it makes sense
thorn yoke
Listen, the most important thing is. That in the Grim Dark Future. There is only War
terse idol
Like I would imagine only 5% or less of guardsmen will ever see a Marine
grave cargo
I mean, another thing is just, armor's value is heavily reliant on what you're fighting
terse idol
And 0.001% will live to tell about ot
Because if you see a space marine while deployed
Skmething really bad is there
sharp trail
i probably wouldn't even say 5%, ngl
grave cargo
If you ever come across Tyranids suddenly armor ceases to exist
terse idol
That requires a chapter to intervene
dusk idol
grey knights be like
terse idol
i probably wouldn't even say 5%, ngl
Probably 1% or less
grave cargo
Even a basic bitch Tyranid can just slice through a tank with their toenails
And Eldar just shoot you in your weakpoints because muh accuracy
whole moon
If anyone becomes aware of the Ordo Malleus or the Grey Knights it's a death sentence, the risks are too great
delicate estuary
Like I would imagine only 5% or less of guardsmen will ever see a Marine
and those that see one get executed
grave cargo
And everyone's favorite death robot immortals just shoot you with anti matter guns
umbral scaffold
If anyone becomes aware of the Ordo Malleus or the Grey Knights it's a death sen...
Not anymore.
But if risks are too high of daemonic taint then witnesses are still purged.
terse idol
Its just not good
grave cargo
Noblebright was a mistake
Cawl was a mistake
Gullibleman should have stayed in his crib
umbral scaffold
40K is still very much grimderp
terse idol
You dont want to see a space marine because one moment you see them, the next your flesh is melting because THERE WAS CHAOS LANDING
Its so funny
grave cargo
40k should be grim dumb as shit
Stop giving people hope
The point is there is no hope
umbral scaffold
Without Rowboat Girlyman the imperium would have fallen after Cadia got ripped a new one
grave cargo
Eh, the Imperium has been collapsing for 10000 years
umbral scaffold
Would have been End Times 40K electric boogaloo
whole moon
Yeah, well, without Ollanius Pious.......
grave cargo
Another 100 worlds getting annihilated would be a 0.27% drop in production
delicate estuary
I want to see age of strife 2.0 electric boogaloo
thorn yoke
The Emperor Protects
tropic hawk
40k worlds
umbral scaffold
Khorne almost got into the Imperial Palace on Terra if not for Rowboat Gorillaman getting there
delicate estuary
everyone shitting on guilliman for being a better father figure than the emperor could ever be
minor iron
shovelbros, what bless am i replacing here and what blessing should i go for? assuming that all or nothing is the one i want to keep. not perfect roll but probably servicable
umbral scaffold
Uncanny is pretty much mandatory on shovel if you want to kill more than just poxwalkers and groaners
delicate estuary
shovelbros, what bless am i replacing here and what blessing should i go for? as...
that ok roll modifiers wise
replace limbsplitter with uncanny strike
and you are good to go
minor iron
will do, thanks fellas
delicate estuary
will do, thanks fellas
just understand that you get the most damage the less stamina you have with that setup
so do push attacks for armor
and during horde make sure you 0 out your stamina
minor iron
well im running deadshot revolver as well so im usually out of stamina anyway
delicate estuary
every few times
delicate estuary
well im running deadshot revolver as well so im usually out of stamina anyway
ye thats good then
minor iron
how important is first target stat? am i missing anything having it at 60? other stats are just too good for me to pass it up
south garnet
I'm roleplaying my scavenger aura
south garnet
december
desert isle
is there a specified date yet or just december sometime
south garnet
'before the holidays"
desert isle
real
delicate estuary
how important is first target stat? am i missing anything having it at 60? other...
first target is really good to have
just inspect the weapon
and hover it
minor iron
doesnt look like its missing too much damage compared to maximum? not perfect but its not a low stat either i suppose
terse idol
shovelbros, what bless am i replacing here and what blessing should i go for? as...
I'd also recommend decimator
And uncanny
finite imp
'before the holidays"
Nobody tell them thanksgiving is a holiday
midnight mortar
They operate based on Sweden's calendar.
flat pebble
swedish thanksgiving duh
versed merlin
When is the new patch
Are there leaked infos or a preview of next patch?
Will revolver get nerfed?
idle carbon
no previews yet
flat pebble
Will revolver get nerfed?
there’s not any immediate reason to believe that
terse idol
Maybe, I headcannon mught
flat pebble
Are there leaked infos or a preview of next patch?
and there was a fatshark forum post
versed merlin
there’s not any immediate reason to believe that
Why
terse idol
Hmm, what did it say,
flat pebble
why would there be immediate reason to believe that
terse idol
Well okay let's step back and ask
versed merlin
I dont see any variations in auric
flat pebble
that doesn’t mean they intend to nerf it yet
terse idol
It can very quickly melt crushers
kind scarab
What's good about revolver
High base damage, crit chance and armor pen
terse idol
Yeah
versed merlin
I mean don't get me wrong, i like revolver but it seems ahead of most ranged options
flat pebble
i have a feeling what’s good about the revolver was a rhetorical
kind scarab
The next one we're getting is a revolver you can fan-fire
sharp ember
wtf is a new shovel mark gonna do, somehow be an anti-armor shovel? 
kind scarab
And I'm willing to bet
terse idol
What will probably get nerfed is columnis
flat pebble
I mean don't get me wrong, i like revolver but it seems ahead of most ranged opt...
revolver and plasma currently are arguably out of band but we don’t have reason to believe they will nerf yet is my point
kind scarab
That it's going to be better than our current revolver
terse idol
It might be
flat pebble
like, they haven’t implied it
kind scarab
See, here's the thing. Fanfiring implies it'll be fired a lot quicker. Knowing FS. That means it'll be reloaded quicker as well.
versed merlin
revolver and plasma currently are arguably out of band but we don’t have reason ...
Ah okok I misinterpreted that as no reason to believe they're overturned even if slightly
kind scarab
Fan firing and you get a speed loader
Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case honestly
flat pebble
Still struggles on hordes and ammo
hordes are quite literally the only thing it’s not useful on and ammo is a non problem if you use survivor and also your brain
terse idol
Whaat smmh
kind scarab
You have the slow firing, slow reloading heavy hitting crit revolver
and then the fan-firing, faster reload, better ammo revolver
terse idol
It can be ammo hungry and your ammo isn't that high that it'll affect it more than say a columnis
versed merlin
and then the fan-firing, faster reload, better ammo revolver
Laspistol except the damage is dumped by every other upsides it has if any
terse idol
I dunno I'm just bias against columnus rn because it IS crazy
Crazy enough that I replaced it on my VOC pgun
cosmic jacinth
I am not being immuned to suppression despite having the perk. I still shake around and go crazy
kind scarab
I am not being immuned to suppression despite having the perk. I still shake aro...
Suppression from bullets whizzing past you
Stun is from bullets hitting you
versed merlin
Sometimes I wonder if even the devs themselves know all od their own terminology
terse idol
What' cha' mean
soft solstice
Plasma gun ammo can 100% be efficient. A good melee can deal with hordes and when good use of kraks you can save a lot of shots. A plasma gun with a full mag can take out a ton of targets, you can shred hordes of ragers and bombers and gunners
flat pebble
feels like a pretty cut and dry example here of someone not from fatshark knowing fatshark terminology here
kind scarab
Sometimes I wonder if even the devs themselves know all od their own terminology
No, cause they used the same damn terms for finesse in like four different places, and each time it means a different thing
cosmic jacinth
Close order drill or vanguard as my last perk?
versed merlin
Lmao no way
soft solstice
The suppression immunity skill makes you resist the slowdown of being shot at but not from being show, while the zealot skill for no slow down when getting hit removes it from taking damage but not suppression
kind scarab
Finesse on revolver gives you crit chance, finesse on melee weapons gives you attack speed, finesse on your capstone gives you supposedly HS, but no crit chance. Finesse on your blessings gives you crit damage+HS.
flat pebble
finesse is either the damage modifier that affects both weak spot damage and crit (as a blessing) or a stat that is tied to a number of weapon stats like weak spot multiplier and attack speed
soft solstice
Close orders more, depending on your load out your sprint is good enough
dusk idol
Finesse on revolver gives you crit chance, finesse on melee weapons gives you at...
where does revolver have finesse?
versed merlin
finesse is either the damage modifier that affects both weak spot damage and cri...
Wait I thought that was power modifiers
flat pebble
i think revolver has crit bonus technically
flat pebble
Wait I thought that was power modifiers
power is damage, stagger and cleave
whole moon
Finesse on Rashad does more than just attack speed
kind scarab
where does revolver have finesse?
It was changed after enough bitching to be just called Critical Bonus last I checked
Which is why I was complaining about "finesse" being in like 4 different places and meaning different things
whole moon
Yeah best to inspect weapons and double check
versed merlin
whole moon
Even in cases where the description is the same the ranges are different
kind scarab
Honestly, even when you can read the description, I 100% suggest just testing it out in the meat grinder, cause it's not always true what the modifier does
dusk idol
pretty sure old revolver crit modifier said melee crit chance instead of range crit chance
even though in effect it was ranged crit chance
kind scarab
pretty sure old revolver crit modifier said melee crit chance instead of range c...
It did also say that, yes
south prairie
pretty sure old revolver crit modifier said melee crit chance instead of range c...
Maybe it wqs exclusively for bash
terse idol
<:wheeze:738237053233397822>
versed merlin
That would be sick actually
versed merlin
Specially if crit chance could affect stagger potential
You could just stagger a crusher with a revolver bash
kind scarab
You just grab your revolver, and stow it in your pocket when you crit
and instead poke the crusher in the eye with your finger
Does more damage ever
cosmic jacinth
Sustained fire or surgical for the revolver
grave cargo
Surgical
Revolver crit is insane and you ahve a base crit of like 25%
So you only need 6-7 stacks to guarantee a crit
cosmic jacinth
On this week be gaming
grave cargo
If you take the +5% crit talent you have a floating crit with the revolver of about 30%
tropic hawk
Hadrons drooling
versed merlin
Dang
kind scarab
Hadron gonna brick that gun, just to get to chew on it
grave cargo
On this week be gaming
stamina infested crucian roulette 2 handcanon 3
You will get 1 pretty ok thing and rue the other 3 that are hot garbage
cosmic jacinth
Now, Crucian roulette or hand Cannon
grave cargo
Hand cannon
kind scarab
handcannon
grave cargo
It's really not a contest
kind scarab
Crucian is dogeshiet after they reworked it
grave cargo
Surgical and Handcannon go together
kind scarab
never use it
grave cargo
It's not TERRIBLE
grave cargo
Again keep in mind your base crit chance with revolver is 25-30%
versed merlin
In any weapon or just revolver
kind scarab
Your own words are the only justification for why Crucian is dogshit on revolver
grave cargo
It's kinda ok on Headhunters the main issue is there's always just a better version of it
Headhunters get increased crit chance for not critting
Revolver gets Surgical
kind scarab
Crucian before? You sacrifice all the bullets in your revolver for guaranteed crits
grave cargo
If Crucian Roulette was the only crit talent it would be fine, fun, I guess, not the best but usable
kind scarab
Crucian now? Oh no, I reloaded, look at me, I'm a dead talent on a gun that only needs to shoot once per enemy
grave cargo
The main issue is just opportunity cost
Every weapon has like, two blessings that do the same thing but one is better and one is worse
Crucian is worse
kind scarab
The main issue is that the bastard doesn't do anything until the second shot, and that reloading actively screws you over
Hell, our right capstone is a better crucian roulette than crucian right now
grave cargo
Typically I empty my revolver every time I use it
Unless I'm saving one little bullet for 20% faster reload speed
On your 5th shot you get an extra 24% crit, which isn't the worst especially since that means your crit rate is at or above 50% buuuut yeah no it should be a higher modifier tbh
versed merlin
Hmm what if you get that weapons specialist node that reloads your weapon for a % of your max ammo when you kill in melee? 
grave cargo
Make it like, 6/8/10/12% crit chance on revolver and it would be good
kind scarab
Hmm what if you get that weapons specialist node that reloads your weapon for a ...
That's pretty much what you do with revolver
versed merlin
Wait really?
grave cargo
Surgical would still be better but it at least would be competitive
kind scarab
Yes
versed merlin
I'd rather not tbh
grave cargo
Weapon specialist is about hot swapping
You shoot something for that juicy melee buff then go into melee
When the buff expires shoot something else and then go back into melee
You can also melee just to buff your ranged weapon if that wets your noodle
kind scarab
kind scarab
This is effectively the gameplay style with bottom right
Works best with slow firing, one-shot weapons (until they fix the potato code they used on the capstone)
versed merlin
Works best with slow firing, one-shot weapons (until they fix the potato code th...
Why what's the problem with it?
grave cargo
plasma, revolver, kinda shotguns but not really, and brautos all work pretty decently with weapon specialist
kind scarab
Why what's the problem with it?
First stack of weapon ranged specialist is the only stack that matters
grave cargo
Kantrel shotgun's incendiaries apply double burn on crit
versed merlin
Oh
tropic hawk
Wait why does only the first stack mater
kind scarab
It's the only one that gives you the crit buff, the rest only matter for a slight attack speed buff that doesn't work most of the time, or are specifically used for counting stacks on the subnodes, which most people don't take
tropic hawk
jesus
grave cargo
The 10 stacks only matter if you take brautos
kind scarab
Fun fact: It's because they stole it directly from saltzpyre in Vermintide
and didn't really do anything better with it
versed merlin
What's brautos
kind scarab
Braced Autoguns
grave cargo
Braced autogun
versed merlin
Ah
kind scarab
And even then, I would never use a braced autogun.
versed merlin
My monkey ass brain was thinking brazilian autoguns
tropic hawk
isnt the coluimnus v IA good atm?
grave cargo
Yeah it's fine it's just for NERDS
kind scarab
You can grab a white one and it'll outdamage pretty much everything
tropic hawk
if I need to mulch a horde ill just use my revolver
grave cargo
Brauto 8 just has a lot of targets it'll pen through, esp with weapon specialist you can clear a room so fucking fast
versed merlin
Ah but you'll need exec stance for autoguns, no?
grave cargo
No
grave cargo
Brauto's don't benefit from exec stance
Most of the damage you get is for weakspots and brauto's are bodyshot weapons
kind scarab
Everything benefits from ex stance
Most of the time, I don't grab ex stance for the damage anyway.
grave cargo
You only get like, a 25% damage increase if you use exec stance?
versed merlin
Yeah
grave cargo
And most of your damage talents for sharpshooter are weakspot too
Or are Killzone, which requires you to not be near enemies to benefit
versed merlin
I thought that was mandatory for any non plasma/revolver weapons to work properly
grave cargo
So, not really optimal to take a brauto for sharpshooter, just a loss of syngergy and efficiency
kind scarab
You're getting 25% damage, weakspot. And more importantly, you get recoil reduction, spread reduction on your spray patterns and all the important shit you should be shooting at gets highlighted.
tropic hawk
Yeah but you cant have voice of command
kind scarab
I'd argue colum needs the accuracy less than a braced does
versed merlin
Yeah but you cant have voice of command
Exactly
versed merlin
That's the main issue
grave cargo
Brauto isn't benefitted that much from the accuracy buff
versed merlin
I need my clutch to survive 
tropic hawk
Voice of command is for people who need a crutch to stay alive
Have you played with randoms?
kind scarab
Have you played with randoms?
Exclusively
tropic hawk
right, they usually need the crutch
versed merlin
I'd bring stealth if not voc for auric, but never exec stance
kind scarab
They don't need temp hp when I'm already killing the specials before they're on the screen
grave cargo
VoC is pretty ok but you NEED to still be doing damage
tropic hawk
yes they do
versed merlin
When I'm zoomed with that ability I totally forget about my surroundings
tropic hawk
bc a lone poxwalker is beating them to death from behind
kind scarab
If a lone poxwalker is beating them to death, your VoC ain't fixing them being dogshit
grave cargo
It's really frustrating, same with a psyker that exclusviely uses force lightning
tropic hawk
yes it will
kind scarab
That's 1000% a skill issue and they need to die, to learn a lesson
grave cargo
Use your DAMAGE
kind scarab
You're just teaching them bad habits, that'll overall hurt you more later
tropic hawk
It keeps them alive long enough for me to kill the poxwalker
versed merlin
Explode the pox buster in their faces so they die by your hands and not by their own
grave cargo
God I hope they remove Surge
Dude
Earlier today someone shot a poxburster and got a triple kill
On us
whole moon
Skill issue
grave cargo
There were two of them and it instantly wiped all but him
tropic hawk
Ive started putting distance between my team when I hjear poxburster beeps
Ppl keep shooting them when Im trying to push
grave cargo
Couldn't really help it too much we were in a small room
And two of em came through the roof
versed merlin
That's just t4 Player learning the game I think
grave cargo
I even shoved it safely the first time but it did that weird thing where like, it didn't explode
versed merlin
I've never seen that shit in t5 and thankfully every random I got in auric was a good Player that knew what they were doing
grave cargo
Something about them not locking on to the player they're closest to and not activating as a result
Also this was in Auric
versed merlin
grave cargo
He was just having a bad game I think, he later died and left after saying sorry
versed merlin
Fair
grave cargo
I had a DOGSHIT game at the start of this but later pulled through
I went around a corner, vent purge, and saw a red dot so I shot it
Then I instantly died
Because there were actually 3 snipers and I took 2 to the face
versed merlin
60% of my games as zealot are me dashing towards a trapper, getting trapped, beaten up and rage quit the game out of frustration because I can't control my gotta go fast syndrome
grave cargo
Also died to a poxbomber that still got me even though I shoved and dodged back, idk, movement felt wierd
versed merlin
So I can totally understand the sentiment
grave cargo
But then I also nearly singlehandedly cleaved through a horde while someone else was dead with my fucking ranged build
tropic hawk
Ive had so many people going so insanely slow lately
kind scarab
I've never seen that shit in t5 and thankfully every random I got in auric was a...
All my T5's and Aurics are with players playing worse than bots
tropic hawk
I feel like Im losing my mind
versed merlin
All my T5's and Aurics are with players playing worse than bots
F
kind scarab
So I just put the game down for now till Vet tree stops being so.... shanked in the kidneys
grave cargo
God is it just me, or is that blast furnace finale still a bit overtuned
Enemies just spawn faster than you can kill them
kind scarab
Nah, I feel the furnace finale is arguably one of the more fun ones that I enjoy
versed merlin
Yeah samr
grave cargo
You either speedrun that shit or it turns into a 10 minute slog because it just floods the map with chaff
kind scarab
You just sit there and kill everything
kind scarab
During is fine, so long as the team sticks together
grave cargo
It'll pop out 20+ dudes from 5 doors every 10-15 seconds it just gets excessive
grave cargo
I had a DOGSHIT game at the start of this but later pulled through
3 of us just got locked in a 5 minute long horde clear here
I hit a new combo
155
Before we finally cleared all the adds and could do the demon
Psyker got cliffed and then INSTANTLY died because like 8 poxwalkers were standing on the ledge and gibbed him before we could do anything lmfao
cursive axle
Anyone got any tips on getting the overwatch penance done? I have no friends so I've just been quick playing
grave cargo
git gud
Also lucky
Barrels don't count against you, just take a good dodge weapon combo and probably stack toughness stuff if you're really struggling
Shoves are your friend, and just listen for the audio cue.
If you hear it coming immediately block and dodge
south prairie
And hope you dont run into such bullshits like rager swarm or gunner swarm
grave cargo
Sometimes I don't even look at the screen exactly, I just listen to the audio and pay attention to how many active dodges I have left
cursive axle
Didn't know that about barrels and definitely need to shove more, I try to dodge but half the time even going directly opposite direction of enemy they still hit.
I'll make it 3/4 through most missions without getting hit and then get slammed by a pack of BS spawns
grave cargo
You can't play this game blindfolded exactly, but learning to reflexively dodge when you hear an attack coming is critical
cursive axle
And hope you dont run into such bullshits like rager swarm or gunner swarm
Usually it's ragers
grave cargo
When you see ragers just start immediately backpeddaling
They'll whiff their combo if you just dodge backwards while blocking as soon as they start
Dodge twice back while blocking, then swap to your ranged weapon, continue dodging backwards and shoot them
south prairie
Usually it's ragers
I found ludicrous amount of both its not even funny
grave cargo
If there's multiple on you, keep blocking and dodging backwards
Ragers don't do as much stamina damage as other enemies so you can block a lot more ragers than you think
grave cargo
Don't try to melee ragers generally
cursive axle
I found ludicrous amount of both its not even funny
It huuuuurts when there's like 10 ragers backed up by the heavy gunner dudes
grave cargo
They basically have melee hitscan
You can dodge some of their attacks but the timing window is very small, and some attacks can't be dodged period
cursive axle
That explains alot I always get f'd trying to dodge them
grave cargo
They just have very high stagger resist and extremely fast, tracking attacks
south prairie
Uea ragers also have stagger resist that can pose a problem to even ogryns
thorn yoke
You can also consider taking Stealth and popping it if you see packs of ragers
grave cargo
But once they start their combo they get locked into it, and it slows them to a crawl
cursive axle
Holy shit I didn't even think about taking stealth 😅
grave cargo
Imo, voice of command into iron will is the easiest way to get the cheevo
But stealth is also just fine
south prairie
Yea voice of command is pretty good with extra toughness enhancement
thorn yoke
it depends on what you have trouble with really
south prairie
Pop it on every engagements
grave cargo
Pop it off cooldown
Well you probably aren't seeing 10 specials every fight so you probably aren't getting it every 7 seconds
Remember, it's a hard stagger, so if you get hit, immediately ult
It'll stop any extra hits from coming in and refill your toughness
cursive axle
Right, gonna try a few more times with these new tips, been using VoC and it works great until half my team just, y'know is gone across the map somewhere
If I keep failing I'll try stealth.
My problem is a mixed bag of Australia internet, I'm not that great at the game mechanically and when I'm on top of those things the game shits on me with spawns of things.
cursive axle
Remember, it's a hard stagger, so if you get hit, immediately ult
You mean to tell me the overwatch penance is avoid taking melee damage?! Not just avoiding being hit altogether?
thorn yoke
what is your melee weapon of choice? that can also change your performance
jolly cave
If you're feeling social, you can try to get a group in lfg specifically for the penance. There are a lot of kind people in the discord who are willing to help. I got an ogryn player who just babysat me the whole mission before the class rework.
cursive axle
Bruh that hurts my soul I'd have it by now 😂
Thought it was at all so I just go ham after getting hit one time
fathom edge
plasma deals flak damage to maulers on headshots?
cursive axle
plasma deals flak damage to maulers on headshots?
Maulers helmets different armour to the rest of them
I think
cursive axle
🤔 plasma so strong it loses armour value? Lol
low oar
Plasma does a weird thing where it takes the general armour value no matter where you hit
So bulwark shields being impenetrable count as unyielding now
fathom edge
no im testing it, every other enemy it works as id expect it to,
low oar
Hm that is weird
desert isle
oh yeah btw is the limbsplitter bug patched yet
thorn summit
should i cop this or nah
fathom edge
so how does damage corollate to health? or is the wiki just out of date?
like this crusher seems to have about 3500 health as i kill it, yet the wiki says 2550
sharp ember
like this crusher seems to have about 3500 health as i kill it, yet the wiki say...
is that a fandom wiki? it's probably outdated as hell
elite hp was buffed like patch 14
clear condor
That looks like the pre-13 hp even lol
sharp ember
your estimation of 3500 should be correct
fathom edge
i can charge two body shot a crusher without the cara 25% if my math is right, and as i just figured out plasma counts mauler headshots as flak, so cara serves no purpose?
but i cant oneshot head a crusher without a crit with cara anyway
tall torrent
We might get the traitor curse pt2 update next week?
clear condor
plasma deals flak damage to maulers on headshots?
Its just displaying the wrong armor type. But its still being treated as cara
clear condor
but i cant oneshot head a crusher without a crit with cara anyway
This depends on the build. Plasma with no perks at all can one shot crushers with some setups.
fathom edge
it seemed to randomly do 3600 occasionally
but maybe not reliably?
i didnt mess with it much
umbral scaffold
This depends on the build. Plasma with no perks at all can one shot crushers wit...
honestly still need a plasma build
terse idol
I mean
umbral scaffold
have a gun laying about but no build for it
terse idol
After talking with some folks yeeesterday
It may be better to run unarmoured?
At least, in the theory to oneshot Gunners, who are more important 
terse idol
Charged shots just peirce Carapace though doesn't it?
umbral scaffold
depends if you wanna take the extra second to align your shot or not
umbral scaffold
Charged shots just peirce Carapace though doesn't it?
goes through all armor last I checked
umbral scaffold
Not with no Charged shots
I don't actually use charged shots
clear condor
*It may be better to run unarmoured?*
At least, in the theory to oneshot Gunner...
Last I heard, There was a build that uses +elites and +unarmored. Sounds like a weird setup but it makes things very reliable with a certain talent allocation apparently.
terse idol
Last I heard, There was a build that uses +elites and +unarmored. Sounds like a ...
yeahh
I think that's the build I was talking about yesterday learning about it
umbral scaffold
plasma is more so a high dmg backup for me rn
terse idol
because left clicking on a gunner on a one shot is huge
terse idol
I don't actually use charged shots
Oh, I mean, you should probably charge on crushers
umbral scaffold
Oh, I mean, you should probably charge on crushers
usually 2 left mouse are enough for crushers
terse idol
Oh that's good
umbral scaffold
and before I can personally kill them my Buddy takes care of em
with his pskyer
or crusher eats krak
Plus psykanium is good and all but doesn't really reflect ingame
so it's whatever to me really
that being said my most played gun is the MG 4 lasrifle so ignore me when It comes to plasma guns
terse idol
Well it's good for that vacuum, I WILL SAY, eh, imo, it's a little redundant to run Plasma + krak, but it's preference
I mean that's fiine
We gotta theory craft it out, you already got the blessings
clear condor
smoke tho lmao
terse idol
It''sss fine for what it is
Smoke doe
umbral scaffold
Smoke is great.
clear condor
terse idol
It's tough
umbral scaffold
shrug
terse idol
Sniper's don't care about the smoke and that hurts too much
umbral scaffold
I don't have issues with it and it's saved my squad multiple times in Auric
terse idol
Oh no for sure
umbral scaffold
so smoke is a good thing in my book
umbral scaffold
Sniper's don't care about the smoke and that hurts too much
which is something that needs to be changed
terse idol
Maybe I'm too negative about smoke the issue being, just killing the problem is strong
umbral scaffold
well considering most Randoms I meet on Auric tier can't even kill normal shooters or gunners
smoke saves my ass 99% of the time
pearl granite
is this one good? 😄
terse idol
that's faiir
umbral scaffold
brb need to drive lol
terse idol
is this one good? 😄
Would definetly replace curio mission rewards, and tougness regen speed but hell yeah
Best if sniper res was maxed, but good enough, imo
pearl granite
Quality of Life: among several tweaks and fixes brought to the game, we have adjusted the Veteran talent tree based on player feedback to make the keystones quicker to reach
are they finally buffing us vet? 
tropic hawk
wHERE ARE YOU SEEING THAT
pearl granite
cursive axle
Quality of Life: among several tweaks and fixes brought to the game, we have adj...
Keeeeeeeeeen
clear condor
Quality of Life: among several tweaks and fixes brought to the game, we have adj...
First of all: vet is currently stronger than it has ever been outside of old unwavering and pinning fire, so idk about "finally" lol
Second of all: Yes, yes we are.
fathom grail
pearl granite
though by the wording, seems like they just moving the taxing nodes around 🤔
runic birch
How bad was vet I only just started lol
pearl granite
not bad, i'm just being dramatic 😄
clear condor
How bad was vet I only just started lol
Vet's had some weird design struggles but they've literally never been "bad"
runic birch
Oh ok pretty fun if you have ammo
kind scarab
On an unrelated note, I slapped my PC for making weird sounds
clear condor
Oh ok pretty fun if you have ammo
well vets get infinite ammo so that shouldnt be a problem lol
runic birch
Lasgun with the right perk
pearl granite
anyway I'm trying to make a good plasma to use. is this look ok?
ivory aurora
I think it’s good
midnight mortar
anyway I'm trying to make a good plasma to use. is this look ok?
Also refer to the pinned messages for charge rate and how it affects damage, something to keep in mind with plasma guns.
south spindle
*Maybe I'm too negative about smoke* the issue being, just killing the problem i...
Best way I've found to use Smoke has been with Exe' and the node for team highlights, but it is very cost-heavy to do currently
grand sable
fathom grail
It’s beautiful
terse idol
anyway I'm trying to make a good plasma to use. is this look ok?
you need gets hot and blaze away
That thing...
the numbies are alright on the mods
Iirc, you need 80~% TR, to get 9 shots on left click?
But critical chance and Sprint efficiency ain't good
versed merlin
This is disturbing. I hope it's photoshopped
crude wind
I'd probably hold fire on spending millions to make a plasma right now
who knows what the next patch will bring. maybe they will finally fix that bug
pearl granite
so I checked the damage / charge rate list for plasma, but I can't find my damage number (587) on the chart
hollow turtle
So I saw a veteran with a long coat today. I thought it was a new cosmetic out in the store, but apparently it isn't yet. Where the heck did he get it.
It was this one.
Has that ever been released?
nimble sentinel
I think I remember the story on it, if I am wrong someone please correct me:
Aquilas store glitch, it was available for like half a day
hollow turtle
No ways. They should've just left it at that point.
nimble sentinel
what are they cooking
not my delicious ass rice I can tell you that much
patent orbit
you telling me an ass fried this rice
hollow turtle
I'm wondering if this guy is cheating or this was some kind of mistake now.
clear condor
why wouldnt they release straight after that happened?
Because its not actually ready lol. Look at those pauldrons. Everyone hates it when theys ell unfinished cosmetics, and for good reason.
terse idol
It was this one.
aww what the
This skin gets the big bag
But they squished the Krieg bag
clear condor
But they squished the Krieg bag
At the express behest of the players who didnt want it to clip anymore. Funny that
frank ledge
Because its not actually ready lol. Look at those pauldrons. Everyone hates it w...
Didn't stop them before
clear condor
Didn't stop them before
Yeah so? You want them to keep doing it?
frank ledge
Current ogryn pauldrons clip onto his OWN SHOULDER
It's not a weapon or some hard to determine collision
it just clips onto itself
clear condor
Current ogryn pauldrons clip onto his OWN SHOULDER
Which one? You can report it. They've been adjusting some of them.
nimble sentinel
intermission: how are we classifying ogryns?
frank ledge
Himbo
topaz lance
intermission: how are we classifying ogryns?
Himbo except the Bully
hollow turtle
Bully is an ork. Change my mind.
placid portal
Bully is an ork. Change my mind.
No, Bully is ogryn of few words. Orks always yapping their WAAAAAGHHH
hollow turtle
Bully always looking for a fight.
nimble sentinel
ogryn's constantly talking about rations
constantly looking for food
ogryns are tyranids confirmed
hollow turtle
Orks da bestest and meanest there is.
manic moth
where's the weak spot on a carapace armored enemy?
hollow turtle
Are we talking mauler or crusher?
hollow turtle
That too
manic moth
Are we talking mauler or crusher?
both
placid portal
lucius mk3 can kill crusher/maulers less than 3 shots at the head
hollow turtle
Mauler, aim for the chest. That's just flak.
nimble sentinel
where's the weak spot on a carapace armored enemy?
usually it's a matter of using a carapace piercing weapon like plasma or hellbore, maulers have flak chest which sometimes means center mass has higher dps than the head
manic moth
Depends on what weapon you use
columnus mk v infantry autogun
placid portal
Ah
hollow turtle
Crusher, aim for head. because the whole body is carapace anyways
manic moth
transcendent if that matters
placid portal
ye body shot mauler, headshot crusher
manic moth
was trying to go for a sniper vet build but i dont have enough stuff unlocked to make it work in pubs
placid portal
but at that point imo just use a combat axe or powersword to deal with them if close quarters
even a backstab rending knife
nimble sentinel
was trying to go for a sniper vet build but i dont have enough stuff unlocked to...
#veteran-class message try that with a hellbore, infantry las will work too since there are kraks
placid portal
Mk1 & 2 will offer better ease since its melee and charge speed is good
nimble sentinel
but basically carapace is actually good armour, you'll need armour penetration from one of your weapons
placid portal
mk3 will definitely put down the bigger ones easily
manic moth
yea i gotta farm and level up a lot more
nimble sentinel
kraks are old reliable, regenerating and a perk rather than gear
manic moth
big weak rn
manic moth
danke schon
manic moth
fiending for when i unlock it
im not in the skill bracket where i can use a revolver reliably and have my team pick up slack lol
placid portal
Rip
terse idol
usually it's a matter of using a carapace piercing weapon like plasma or hellbor...
You could justify headshots on a mauler with plasma, I must test
placid portal
Pretty similar ttk no?
nimble sentinel
yeh that would be the "sometimes" in play, if your gun pierces carapace go for their heads
terse idol
Hmm
nimble sentinel
if not, tits
placid portal
Best solution to carapace is to axe them a question
nimble sentinel
"gonna use this shovel to dig your grave, then imma use it again to put you in it"
placid portal
if not, tits
I do like tits,
They are quite the beautiful bird species
manic moth
helbores or kantraels?
placid portal
Personal choice
Kantrael can offer versatile engagment thanks to fire rate and handling
manic moth
want to focus more on killing specials than mowing down waves
nimble sentinel
hellbores have high damage and useful bayonets, take forever to swap to and the sights take some heavy learning
placid portal
Helbore mk1 & 2 are harder hitting and can somewhat deal with carapace but have slower handling
inner drift
I like kantraels because the swap time on hellbores hurts
placid portal
mk3 hits even harder but slower charge speed to account
nimble sentinel
kantrael has a flashlight and great rof, no carapace piercing
placid portal
I like kantraels because the swap time on hellbores *hurts*
Foolishness Dante,
You do not swap at all
That's what's the knife's for
inner drift
fair enough LMAO
placid portal
only problem I get with mk3 is how the action is a poor hacking motion but in bayonet training you have to hit them with the stock then smack em down with the bayonet
They can keep the hacking motion but I want my buttstock stagger for easy headshot melee
hollow turtle
Wait a tick...
Wtf FS. We have these in the game. Why did you give us moonboots??
placid portal
Lmaooooo
rugged goblet
Which ranged weapons are useful against carapace? Helbore, revolver, bolter, is there something else?
placid portal
Not so much for Boltgun since you have to shoot at least 8 rounds if not proper build with hipfire
other than plasma? Nothing much, you could get lucky with autogun crits
Still deal pretty hard damage esp if you stack onslaught
rugged goblet
Oh yeah, I've completely disregarded plasma
Should maybe give it a go at some point too
nimble sentinel
Should maybe give it a go at some point too
Consult the pinned comment if you want absolute efficiency
Charge rate does funky stuff
rugged goblet
I've gotten so used to helbore I have trouble with other weapons
placid portal
Helbore is hecking stable gun ngl
rugged goblet
Charge rate does funky stuff
The 73% thingy?
nimble sentinel
lol yah that was me before discovering the agri brauto
nimble sentinel
The 73% thingy?
Yarp
hollow turtle
Okay. That straight up proves we haven't gotten the last set of penance gear.
nimble sentinel
Mines at 64% it hasn’t let me down
rugged goblet
Nothing like pressing special attack and turning the flashlight on instead of bayonet poke in Ragers face
midnight mortar
Okay. That straight up proves we haven't gotten the last set of penance gear.
We already knew that months ago though.
The launch trailer cosmetics which we don't have.
hollow turtle
But when will it come out. 
midnight mortar
Summer next year would be my guess.
I'm presuming by then they'll have fleshed out enough missions for the next batch.
hollow turtle
Oh, there's more than one version of it.
I take it one of them is going to be docket shop purchase.
5 million
vapid nacelle
Laspistol is such a funny weapon
nimble sentinel
I wish my best one wasn’t in my zealots hands
vapid nacelle
Casual 100k boss damage with a build intended to be support
No grenades needed
I was using Frags
nimble sentinel
Yeh las pistol be like that, fear the crit rate
vapid nacelle
Good counterfire weapon too, even with point restrictions
If they're fixing the problem then laspistol's gonna soar
nimble sentinel
The psyker version of the ogrynomicon already sings its praises, it’s their highest boss dps
crude wind
Las Pistol was one of the two weapons to get buffs in patch 14 that did not need it at all lol
the other being the Revolver
nimble sentinel
Speaking of which, when are we going to make the infantryman’s primer to darktide?
midnight mortar
Speaking of which, when are we going to make the infantryman’s primer to darktid...
When Veteran's weapon synergies and talent trees stop being reworked every month.
crude wind
I'd love to do a video version of it. It's just an enormous project
midnight mortar
And actually stabilize into something consistent.
crude wind
also what PC said
it's not a bad time to be doing Vet guides because of constant patching
midnight mortar
We're still in a major state of flux right now.
midnight mortar
Out of all the classes, Veteran has been on the higher end of major fundamental rewrites.
nimble sentinel
Are changes confirmed?
hollow turtle
Last patch in a while? Yes. Last update? No. Keep that coming.
crude wind
Are changes confirmed?
yes, via blog
midnight mortar
Considering we didn't even have keystones before.
midnight mortar
Are changes confirmed?
Yes. #📢news-bulletin
hollow turtle
Changes to vet tree is the big one.
crude wind
I've played them, they are good changes
hollow turtle
New weapons.
nimble sentinel
Ty fam
trim hemlock
Are changes confirmed?
Like, specific ones? No, but the keystones will be supposedly easier to reach
crude wind
I think Vet is in a very good place as of next patch
midnight mortar
placid portal
HOO BOI
midnight mortar
Like, specific ones? No, but the keystones will be supposedly easier to reach
I'm bracing for the monkey's paw.
hollow turtle
I'm worried if that means they had to move our passives around again.
crude wind
you guys have such little faith lol
midnight mortar
Damn thing might be curling all 5 fingers into a fist in my ass.
placid portal
I'm bracing for the monkey's paw.
Imagine if they remove Superiority Complex/Bring it down
crude wind
every patch to vet tree has improved it
even the last one
boring builds
but still a net gain
versed merlin
you guys have such little faith lol
cant blame us really
nimble sentinel
you guys have such little faith lol
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719 of course we do, you're in the wrong channel
crude wind
idk I think 3 straight patches of buffs on the trot should spell it out lol
midnight mortar
you guys have such little faith lol
I played VT2 at launch. I played DT at launch. I'll have faith in Fatshark's balancing decisions when they show they understand the fundamentals of what they're balancing for.
gusty bison
Out of all the classes, Veteran has been on the higher end of major fundamental ...
Psyker.
crude wind
admittedly I have more information that most but I'm happy with the process
crude wind
Psyker.
i really don't like Psyker after patch 13
unpopular opinion, but I think they got the worst tree
boring mechanics, boring design. a lot of power, for sure
nimble sentinel
I probably should level my ogryn but I just miss clicking on heads too much
crude wind
but just a very un-interesting class now, especially compared to what they could have done
nimble sentinel
vet's been eating good even if it was harder to get that meal
trim hemlock
but just a very un-interesting class now, especially compared to what they could...
I hoped Smite would turn up not being as one-dimensional as it is
nimble sentinel
I want my brauto rambo build back tho
trim hemlock
It’s a glorified stun “stick”
crude wind
like what are the 3 branches of Psyker? Old psyker, but worse, boring passive psyker that doesn nothing but hold smite and shield, and then uninspired gun psyker which is just "we have veteran at home"
placid portal
I probably should level my ogryn but I just miss clicking on heads too much
Ogryn do click heads
just with biig stick
crude wind
or "we have veteran at home but he's a recluse acid head"
nimble sentinel
just with biig stick
but then I gotta get close and Nurgle be stinkyyyyy
placid portal
Give em the good ol hand
crude wind
I hoped Smite would turn up not being as one-dimensional as it is
it could have been so cool
placid portal
nimble sentinel
with zealot I have the powers of god and anime soap by my side
crude wind
imagine if you could pick people up with it and launch them
nimble sentinel
AND all my head clickers!
crude wind
or if there was a secondary effect to the lightning
honestly Psyker is just a class full of half baked, half realised ideas
nimble sentinel
as a psyker tzeench clicks all my heads for me there's no fun in that
placid portal
Psyker is your local waltuh white giving the heretics the blue shards
nimble sentinel
Psyker named Finger:
hollow turtle
That's a really nice looking backpack.
trim hemlock
That's a really nice looking backpack.
It’s the scions backpack
gusty bison
~~I want my brauto rambo build back tho~~
Main issue with the current design for this i think is vet has a LOT of power invested up in headshots, so having raw power increases that can stack on top of that will blow othet guns out of proportion, and its hard to buff the base gun cos zealot brauto is in a great place atm and doesnt need buffs.
cursive axle
Just saw this and was thinking the same thing, a tempestus scions armour set would be cool
gusty bison
I think its one of those guns thats just better on zealot than vet
And... thats fine?
nimble sentinel
or Agri Brambo is now a zealot build?
placid portal
Just saw this and was thinking the same thing, a tempestus scions armour set wou...
If tempestus are coming to tertium then shit really did hit the fan
midnight mortar
Just saw this and was thinking the same thing, a tempestus scions armour set wou...
Best we'll get is a backpack that costs Aquilas.
crude wind
I think its one of those guns thats just better on zealot than vet
agree
and it is fine
nimble sentinel
I don't know if you noticed but...the fan has definitely been shitted on
crude wind
Vets have 3 flavours of IAG they shred with
nimble sentinel
there's a Nurgle cult taking over THRONESIDE
placid portal
Gotta Hold Aegis station again I suppose
y'know I find it odd how the rejects were able to clear and hold ground but somehow operatives cannot do so
nimble sentinel
James of house Workshop and the power of named characters
placid portal
Trained Inquistorial operatives vs a prisoner that been through shit
nimble sentinel
we are ultramarines with more trauma than helmets
midnight mortar
y'know I find it odd how the rejects were able to clear and hold ground but some...
If Morrow is your mission handler for Enclavum Baross, he notes that he's not expecting to hold the station forever.
And that it's more to make the Heretics redirect forces and waste time.
crude wind
how many lives man
placid portal
Yes
crude wind
how many lives spent for 10m of ground
placid portal
well most of em are heretic blood
nimble sentinel
mans forgot who the Imperium are
crude wind
We must be miserly with lives for we have nought to spend
midnight mortar
A war of attrition is what the Imperium does best.
placid portal
if every reject mission kills are ~1000~2000 kills and already millions of missions have been done
gusty bison
Ngl I feel like the Kantrael lasguns need something right now
crude wind
Ah damn i missed the kanny vs helbore discussion
one of your faves no? 😄
midnight mortar
The Heretics have much more limited manpower and are in a race against time.
gusty bison
They feel... meh
gusty bison
one of your faves no? 😄
Aye
placid portal
That is reasonable
crude wind
idk mate I reckon the Kantrael 1a is just fucking insane atm as well
midnight mortar
If the full might of the Imperium stirs to crush this rebellion, the Moebian 6th know they stand no chance.