veteran-class

[unreal bone]

Plasma is a charged gun and it can only really deal with specials where with a bolter if you need to mag dump into a horde of monster you can shit out 15 bullets instantly

revolver is just yeah revolver needs tuned.

[jaunty birch]

Either next tuesday or the tuesday after. Sinxe they said already, the first half of december, rather early december iirc

[sinful palm]

Revolver mvp

[serene sage]

yeah try mag dumping with the bolter and see what happens

[unreal bone]

Don't trash the bolter because it's not overtuned like other guns, it does it's job.

I have.

[jaunty birch]

Revolver doesnt even need another mark

Perfectly fine as is

But ill take a fan tge hammer version

[serene sage]

my dude, I have 300+ hours on the Bolter, I play Auric T5 almost exclusively with the Bolter

[vital saddle]

Hmmm

[jaunty birch]

Not bad, but i think opening salvo is wack

[vital saddle]

any point putting crit chance on this thing at all

[unreal bone]

Brah again don't dog the bolter because you're having a skill issue you're not the only person who only plays auric t5 all the time.

[serene sage]

it's a fine gun, but comparatively most people would have a better time with something else

[vital saddle]

or should i just do the classic headhunter flak

[unreal bone]

And that's not the bolters fault

that's the fact the other guns are overtuned.

[warm idol]

wut

plasma is good vs hordes

[unreal bone]

You wouldn't use a plasma vs hordes though.

[warm idol]

that thing fucking cleaves through everything

[serene sage]

okay im done talking to you
surely i put so many hours playing the gun because I love to dog it

[warm idol]

neither would you a bolter

[serene sage]

and definitely skill issue on my end

[jaunty birch]

I think bolter and plasma do more or less the same job just differently

[unreal bone]

I mean dude you act like you're the only mfer who plays with the bolter reguarly. 🤣

[charred scarab]

who fires charged plasma lmao

[unreal bone]

I have 0 problems with it FoxHope

[flat pebble]

this was for sure tellling

[warm idol]

you can do well with both its personal pref imo

[unreal bone]

Depends on the situation

[unreal bone]

Yes

[flat pebble]

you should charging like 5% of the time if that

so calling it a charged weapon is a little suspect

[serene sage]

okay then we can agree to disagree. i love the gun, i do well with it. i think it's underpowered comparatively to other guns

[charred scarab]

i love spending 3x the ammo to do just under 2x the damage

[jaunty birch]

Agreed, tho I feel plasma is a bit more ammo friendly

[serene sage]

all of the above can be true at the same time

[flat pebble]

sounds like you have a dogshit plasma bud

[charred scarab]

i'm talking about charging vs uncharged

[unreal bone]

I mean I use the charged shots cause I reguarly play auric damnantions and when there arel ike 10 muties every minute.. Being able to one shot them before they can reach us is big.

[charred scarab]

uncharged is crazy efficient

[flat pebble]

we’re on the same page now

[serene sage]

charge is good if you need penetration

[charred scarab]

and muties stop when you shoot them in the face uncharged

[unreal bone]

Yes it does but that's not the fault of the bolter cause if you take it into an auric damnantion it will do it's job, it's not the bolters fault that the other guns are OVERTUNED

[warm idol]

charge is worse but it asserts dominance

clearly making it the based option

[charred scarab]

true

[vital saddle]

So flak or crit chance what you guys think

[warm idol]

this game doesn't need you to minmax literally every milisecond

[jaunty birch]

I think if youre sayin most guns are overtuned then maybe the bolter is a bit undertuned

[jolly cave]

Darktide is a fighting game, actually, every frame matters

[jaunty birch]

Flak

[frank ether]

bolter is fine though

[flat pebble]

i have been QP auric damnation for months now and never have i needed to charge shot mutants . stun them by shooting them in the head and you’ll never find yourself in a situation where you absolutely 100% need to ohk that mutant rn

[serene sage]

it's a matter of perspective no?
it's the difference between nerfing 3 guns or slightly buff 1
i personally think slightly buff 1 is more sensible.

[frank ether]

I dont get the bolter complaints

[flat pebble]

the health pool changes hurt breakpoints on the zealot really bad

from a vet perspective it’s healthier

[jaunty birch]

I think its fine too, maybe a bigger ammo pool is all i would add

[unreal bone]

That's what I was saying earlier we have a finished alt variant of the bolter, and our current bolter is a low ammo cannon--probably get a new variant next update that is more mag more ammo and more spammy.

[warm idol]

I play the bolter and think its perfectly fine, just wish it had more ammo

[flat pebble]

i think it’s just slightly under tuned rn

[serene sage]

yeah with precision strike you can one tap headshot gunners again with patch 14 buffs
but zealots don't have that

[vital saddle]

vet lost nearly all his breakpoints as well xD

[warm idol]

like sure

you got better options

[rapid hull]

Man I wish close range was like 12 meters

[vital saddle]

without the vert niche keystones

[warm idol]

but its not like the other options are invalid

[unreal bone]

If you keep buffing the undertuned guns to match the other things then the game just becoms too easy

[warm idol]

buffing is usually better

[frank ether]

thats probably a problem for zealot chat

[warm idol]

than just trashing other guns

[unreal bone]

the bolter already dumps on every special besides the thickest maulers and crushers.

[frank ether]

I keep hearing bolter complaints in vet chat

[jaunty birch]

But thats somethin you can fix with a small buff instead of creating another version

[frank ether]

just run a crit build 4head

[serene sage]

that's what im trying to say

[warm idol]

also makes for more variety with loadouts

[spark helm]

Aight

[serene sage]

though Revolver needs fixing

[frank ether]

its not meta but its also fine and probably wont see any nerfs

[spark helm]

Imma do that but infiltrate

[serene sage]

before someone make the aboutism argument

[spark helm]

Thx

[unreal bone]

How do you buff a gun that already 1 shots every special in auric damnantion besides the literal thickest of the thickest.

[flat pebble]

what is this about

[unreal bone]

The bolter already does what it is supposed to do IS IT balanced.

It's undertuned because it's balanced.

[serene sage]

slightly better draw time, slightly larger mag?

[jolly cave]

Faster ready time and larger mag

[serene sage]

no damage increase

[flat pebble]

it’s not undertuned if it’s balanced

[frank ether]

bolter

[flat pebble]

if it’s balanced it’s balanced

[warm idol]

your suggestion is to nerf another weapon because it does well

I say bugger off and buff the weaker gun

[unreal bone]

It does too well yeah.

[vital saddle]

my only issue with bolter is that i dont like bolter

[warm idol]

so yknow

[vital saddle]

your welcome

[serene sage]

It's undertuned because it's balanced.
...

[flat pebble]

oh it’s for sure not getting nerfs who was suggesting

[warm idol]

we dont get an option invalidated

[unreal bone]

You could use a bolter or you could achieve the same results with a helbore lasgun. Explain to me how that's balanced.

[frank ether]

just saying its not plasma tier but it doesnt make you worry about nerfs like plasma does rn

[flat pebble]

gotcha

[vital saddle]

nah but for real why use bolter when other weapon go shoot shoot more often and easier

[flat pebble]

i think plasma is mostly fine tbh

[warm idol]

the helbore needs charging and a headshot

bolter is point and click

[vital saddle]

plas trumps bolter as it should

[unreal bone]

Plasma is alright it just needs a fix on the spaghetti code so charge rate does not affect ur damage.

[warm idol]

ease of use vs versatility

[unreal bone]

Becuase charge rate affecting damage makes it so that the Volatile blessing is completely worthless

[flat pebble]

thankfully the damage warbling is like at most a difference of 5% damage but yeah it’s a baffling stat interaction

[jaunty birch]

Helbore takes a bit more precision to make work whereas bolter can do its job melting armor just sprayin

[frank ether]

bolter doesnt need to charge, has faster draw time, can just bodyshot for kills, does giga suppression to enemies, absolutely melts bosses, can be hipfired fullauto if something scary is in your face etc etc...

[jolly cave]

Helbore also has the same problem as bolter in that it takes a while to draw out from melee

But Helbore has a bayonet which is dope

[unreal bone]

bruh people were just laughing at me for saying you can spray with a bolter. 💀

[flat pebble]

wasn’t this specifically about hordes when they did that

[warm idol]

seriously your argument is bad, should we nerf literally everything because it can do the same thing as another weapon?

[vital saddle]

recent buff to helbore fixed the helbore issue anyway

by making that knife insanely strong

[unreal bone]

Someone commented about the hordes part but someone else commented about the spraying part.

[jaunty birch]

I mean you can barrel stuff a crusher with a bolter full auto n kill it. Not sure anyone would disagree

[vital saddle]

2 tapping mutants to the face 🙂

[flat pebble]

it seems to me that maybe they are struggling to balance bolter between the power spikes the vet can make vs the zealot

[frank ether]

bolter doesnt have to run sharpshooter tree either

you can use it with middle tree just like plasma

[jaunty birch]

Helbore requires investment imo

[frank ether]

well it has its ups and downs

[warm idol]

eh I use it with a shout build without issues

[flat pebble]

and limbsplitter 😎

[frank ether]

all helbore build needs is like 1-2 extra point for utility and it will be ok

[serene sage]

more like conflating between handling and damage

[jaunty birch]

Nah onslaught and surgical

[frank ether]

oh like that

well so does bolter

[warm idol]

but thats on the gun

[vital saddle]

helbore go pew pew and stab stab

[frank ether]

you need surgical for deadshot bolter

and then second blessing you have choices

[jaunty birch]

V nice tho im a fan of the mk2

[frank ether]

but here is a funny thing

[flat pebble]

fatshark’s perspective of the usefulness of mobility and handling when balancing weapons relative to their damage is head scratching stuff

[vital saddle]

go marksman focus and 3 tap crushers easy

[serene sage]

i don't think anyone here is asking for more damage on the Bolter
but slighlty better draw speed and slightly better mag

[frank ether]

if you have the toughness gen blessing on your bolter you're basically immortal against gunner waves

[serene sage]

those are reasonable imo

[warm idol]

I used to prefer mk2

[flat pebble]

i would ask for damage among the things that might make it feel better

it doesn’t need a lot, it could be damage among the things that does it

[serene sage]

not even ammo reserve, just 18 bullet mag and better draw time

[warm idol]

but now mk1 is my jam

[ruby fulcrum]

Better draw speed is a must just match plasma imo.

Then give decent reload speed OR mag size improvements and we good to go

[vital saddle]

i have a mark 2 but i find mk1 better

[warm idol]

I dont like the mk3 much lol

[unreal bone]

And that is the perfect excuse for them to push out a new bolter variant that does this at the cost of other stuff.

[vital saddle]

the slower rate of fire helps time the surgical better

[jaunty birch]

I like how snappy the mk2 is

Can be v fast

[warm idol]

yes but mk1 just feels nice and balanced

[serene sage]

and we are back to how I said this new variant can likely invalidate the current model

[frank ether]

I think draw time is fine, people ask this for helbore aswell and its silly.

[unreal bone]

Do we want another bolter variant? Eh I would rather have another bolter variant than another kantrael or accatran collecting dust.

[frank ether]

The draw time is a balancing factor

[warm idol]

plus mk3 has that shit melee swing

[vital saddle]

just more reliable 2 taps

imo

[jaunty birch]

Mk3 would be my pick if it wasnt for the melee

[serene sage]

should we nerf the revolver and plasma draw time instead?

[flat pebble]

people don’t have a problem accepting this unless they don’t feel like the cons add up to the pros

[warm idol]

if mk3 had a faster uncharged fire I would like it more

[vital saddle]

they just need to fix its hit angle

then it would be a fine melee

[unreal bone]

Plasma yes revolver no, it's a revolver it should draw wicked fast.

[serene sage]

cause youknow, plasma and revolver can do mostly the same thing but takes a fraction of the draw time, they should make them as slow as the bolter

[jaunty birch]

I just wish it had the bayonet charge

[ruby copper]

Anyone has a good talent tree for a melee Helbore build. The Helbore being the melee weapon. Its been doing me wonders in damnation but it feels like im maybe missing something

[jaunty birch]

Bayonet legit strong melee on mk2 and 1

[unreal bone]

That's what revolver should be a quick draw solution to your armored problems.

[frank ether]

almost like overbuffing them was a mistake or something

[unreal bone]

^

[frank ether]

I'm doing 800k-1m damage games on bolter with a support build lmao

its fine

[serene sage]

okay fine ill take this im sure the community will love it

[frank ether]

bolter is fine

it is okae

[vital saddle]

id be fine with a fixed swing but allow it to cleave

[frank ether]

it could use some slight love

to mag capacity

maybe

thats a maybe

[jaunty birch]

Helbore melee has its uses but its not a replacement for melee

[serene sage]

its fine
it could use some slight love
to mag capacity
maybe
thats a maybe

[frank ether]

cause that means people will run out of ammo in 90 seconds instead of 120

lmao

seriously bolter users, pls dont magdump chaff

I see that so often

[vital saddle]

i have a helbore tree if u want it but it aint melee

[warm idol]

dumping hordes with any gun is pointless

[vital saddle]

collumnus go brrr

🙂

[ruby copper]

Oh god no but in a damnation its great for driving of even armoured ragers off of teammates

[warm idol]

its just a waste when you whip out your melee and cleave them

[warm idol]

still a waste

[vital saddle]

but i see special inside horde 😄

[frank ether]

different guns have different ammo pools

[jaunty birch]

I admit I use the revolver to soften up a wave from time to time

[ruby copper]

Im always down for a helbore build even if it isnt melee

[forest blaze]

Columnus IAG whispers for the wielder to mag dump hordes

[vital saddle]

gimme a sec ill post it here

[forest blaze]

You just gatta

[unreal bone]

Depending on ur melee this might not be an option, but you shouldn't mag dump a horde unless things are going to absolute shit.

Mag dumping chaff is acceptable if ur people are dying. 🤷‍♂️

[jaunty birch]

Lately lawbringer with flechette and man stopper with deadshot and weapon specialist has been my jam

[serene sage]

no no, you are charging agile engagement and weapon specialists

[forest blaze]

😂

[plush notch]

i have to resist.. i must use my chainsword instead..

[serene sage]

you're not shooting the horde

[forest blaze]

It's all strategic I SWEAR

[jaunty birch]

The amount of cleave you get on a horde is nuts

[serene sage]

IT IS

[warm idol]

so? I never found a situation for magdumping hordes was ever useful

[midnight mortar]

The mk1 and mk2 bayonets definitely can stand in for melee 90% of the time. Only need to swap against crushers, speaking from experience in auric damnation.

[warm idol]

even on shit like ciag

unless I see a bunch of specials like ragers

[forest blaze]

Got 5-6 mags left? Sure. Press F and put down some poxies

[midnight mortar]

And I'm not even abusing specialist or limsplitter etc.

[jaunty birch]

Sure but blocking and pushing are a thing

[warm idol]

^

[ruby copper]

I have been using the Helbore in damnation more like a multitool than a weapon, Blast shots, bayonet charge, horde clear with bayonet alone plus the ragers, etc etc

[forest blaze]

Blocking and pushing are a thing if you're not pressing LMB after pressing F 😂

[unreal bone]

Sometimes it's not viable to do that in auric maelstroms when there are like 5 of them in a conga line.

[midnight mortar]

The bayonet kills fast enough that I don't need to against hordes that don't have crushers mixed in.

[flat pebble]

it’s honestly silly

[serene sage]

I would also suggest you swap vs poxbusters
Definitely don't want to poke them with your bayno

[unreal bone]

You push the first one, but the second one behind it starts diving at you and then he blows up in ur face

Sometimes you have to shoot poxwalkers

[flat pebble]

i’ve learned this in the hardest way

[midnight mortar]

Oh well of course.

[astral blade]

not sure why i'd need a power sword when my chainsword has rampage on it

[flat pebble]

crusher head pokey pokey

[vital saddle]

First is if u want confirm kill 2nd is if u don't

[forest blaze]

The true chad move is to immediately leave coherency when you hear that poxburster. This way they'll blow up on your team and you'll have plenty of space to push them away.

Stay toxic, vets

[vital saddle]

take field improv mainly cuz of it being helpful in general

[warm idol]

never had that problem, push has surprising range

[ruby copper]

Ive ran an Auric and only switched to my melee for pushing off poxers and when someone ran into a daemon and I drew aggro cause we didnt have an ogryn

[warm idol]

only if you got no stam

[forest blaze]

Classic

[astral blade]

eh i'm use to getting behind crushers with my invis vet anyways

[flat pebble]

push on bursters i’ve noticed is excessively forgiving

i’ve pushed bursters that i had no right being able to push

[astral blade]

rakking fire puts in allot of work

[forest blaze]

The push on bursters is only bad when you're in coherency... because one of your braindead blueberries is going to shoot him right when you start to push

[flat pebble]

it’s just crazy bc the PS 6 can one-combo a crusher in like 3.5 seconds

[ruby copper]

The range on the Bayonet sometimes feels insane but im sure its just a visual thing on my end

[jaunty birch]

Fave build rn is lawbringer with deadshot, basically have a ogryn kickback against hordes

[warm idol]

ive had that happen too many times

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/this-gif-4354544

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

[flat pebble]

allows you to use a lot of other ranged weapons in a different way when your melee can trivialize crushers

[midnight mortar]

It does have a long reach.

[jaunty birch]

Flechette plus manstopper with guaranteed crits from weapon specialist

[frank ether]

whats your point?

[astral blade]

still those i like my chainsword for hordes

[warm idol]

that 99% of the time you shouldnt be magdumping hordes

[flat pebble]

totally fair

[forest blaze]

This is why I firmly believe that the best pub ability is Infiltrate.

You hear that poxburster conga following up the shitstorm of 3 muties, 2 traps, and 4 flamers? Press F and leave your team to die then press F to come pick them back up. GG EZ

[ruby copper]

So I'm not insane when I can each around orgyns with stabs and keep ragers 6 feeet away from me 😂

[frank ether]

whats your point

[flat pebble]

just saying that the p6 has a very strong use case as well

[serene sage]

there's a difference between mag dumping and shooting horde

[flat pebble]

alongside trivializing hordes with PC4 and BM

[astral blade]

plus i love mah shredder nades for hordes also

[vital saddle]

if u angle the knife right u can stab through a bulwark shield

and stagger him

[warm idol]

isnt it considered the best melee

since it can deal with just about anything

[flat pebble]

i don’t like quantifying weapons in this game like that but it’s for sure build agnostic

[jaunty birch]

Idk shovel with uncanny is p nice too

[forest blaze]

Executioner's is probably the second best pub ability if you have CIAG because you can just press F and kill everything in the county before your blueberry team has a chance to die to them

[flat pebble]

you can just use it

[vital saddle]

can do the same with map knowledge and not using it 😄

[forest blaze]

kek

[warm idol]

I hope they removed the ogryn and shooter talents and made it baseline

[midnight mortar]

Nope. The bayonet just has a nice long reach to keep those ragers at arm's length and then some. I believe its cleave also increases if you "charge" by holding down the special action button.

[frank ether]

I dont think executioner and randoms go well in a game that teleports things behind you

[forest blaze]

Yah. Just let a man work

[forest blaze]

It's fine. Press F and shoot harder faster

[vital saddle]

better to carry pubs with voc and a hard hitting weapon

[flat pebble]

left and right tree ults are so fucking point expensive

[frank ether]

when the alternative is on demand toughness reset + invisibility / AoE stun + 50 toughness

[warm idol]

exec needs so much investment compared to shout and infil

[astral blade]

now that i think about i kinda made my vet to be as versatile as possible

[ruby copper]

One of my favorite uses for the bayonet on it too is when therre is a horde between you and them, Bayonet spam will literally let you walk through a horde, saved so many lives

[jaunty birch]

Remove the kill reset on executioners, its such a tax at this point

[vital saddle]

always fun charging away from hordes

[forest blaze]

I've played far too many AM missions where no amount of yellow toughness will save the team 😂

[midnight mortar]

The audacity of a soldier frantically stabbing forward over and over stuns the Moebian 6th.

[jaunty birch]

Everyone usin it is takin the reset

[warm idol]

its kind of garbage design really

[vital saddle]

it aint to save them in terms of toughness its to generally keep em healthy and stagger big shit off the map

[frank ether]

yea if I invest as hard into infiltrate as exec I get two charges and threat reduction at that point I can ignore enemies for like 36 seconds

[warm idol]

if its so good

that its a must have

[forest blaze]

haha not from what I've seen 😂

[flat pebble]

also lets you take a free burster or sniper shot B)

[vital saddle]

rev monster till is chases me find a neaby ledge shout it off the map

[serene sage]

Overshield won't save your teammates but it can save you

[flat pebble]

the amount of bursters i’ve saved the team from with a well timed shout is good

[jaunty birch]

Literal tax for takin it, when it was baseline before the rework as a 30 talent

[forest blaze]

hahahaha
"I don't shout for you... I shout for the emprah"

[ruby copper]

I also found the stab can 100% hit multiple targets and can be used as a vanguard type strike, So when hordes pop up and someone goes down, I use the gun like a true melee XD

[jaunty birch]

Also, let it just highlight gunners. Why tax the vet for wanting to do their job in that spec better

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the buffs to the bayonets have been very satisfying.

[ruby copper]

great to if you are surrounded and need just a moment to get a shot off, stab and spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin

[forest blaze]

My anecdotal, completely baseless evidence is that bads play badder when they feel invincible with yellow toughness

[vital saddle]

its also a smoother path considering every vet takes nade regen anyway and opens up tactical awarness take

but mainly its just to say f u monster pox and snipers as anyone who has full yellow toughness cant take health dmg anyway

[jaunty birch]

And ffs increase the reload speed from marksman stscks to 2 or 3% per stack. 1% is wack

[vital saddle]

and a oh shit button when u tunnel vision in ur helbore too long 😄

[forest blaze]

Invincible bads play badder than squishy bads.
-Dirk

[astral blade]

who the heck is sly marbo?

[jaunty birch]

Did some tests on tunnel vision talent yesterday and found its actually kinda good

[midnight mortar]

he doesn’t know

[vital saddle]

ranged finesse power = crit chance when

[midnight mortar]

Sly Marbo is the Imperial version of Rambo.

Ultimate one man army. Quick, quiet, unseen.

[serene sage]

He's a Catachan Guardsman who did some Rambo shit.
His name is inspired by Sylvester (Sly) Stallone and Rambo (Marbo)

[midnight mortar]

Legendary killer, took out chaos space marine patrols on Catachan by himself.

[astral blade]

also the melk store will reset in 42 minutes

[topaz lance]

How does that even work?

[serene sage]

He's also the Chuck Norris of the universe with the jokes

[tall torrent]

Change it to refill 1% of your mag size (not rounded up) per weakspot kill from reserve ammo
Everybody is happy

[midnight mortar]

Never ever. Veteran has to pay taxes to reach normal. He doesn't get to have more.

[tall torrent]

The true imperial tithe experience

[vital saddle]

pretty sure it amplifies catch a breath right

[wet moon]

girlies is it even worth it

[tall torrent]

It’s so immersive you really get to FEEL that you’re in the guard

[serene sage]

The stories of his exploits have grown so outlandish that Astra Militarum command has ordered that repetition of the following anecdotes about Marbo by line troopers is punishable by immediate reassignment as a Gunner Specialist [Plasma], Grade 1.

Sly Marbo threw a grenade and killed five Orks. Then it exploded.
Sly Marbo poked the Warp right in the Eye of Terror.
A Catachan Devil once stung Sly Marbo. After 5 solar days of agonising pain, the Catachan Devil died.
Flak Armour wears Sly Marbo for protection.
Sly Marbo doesn't have a shadow because he scared it off.
When Ambulls go to bed at night, they check their nests for Sly Marbo.
The fastest way to a man's heart is with Sly Marbo's blade.
Sly Marbo once shot down a Dakkajet by pointing at it with his finger and saying "bang!".
Sly Marbo doesn't shower, he takes blood baths.
Lord Castellan Ursarkar E. Creed wears Sly Marbo pyjamas.
If at first you don't succeed, you're not Sly Marbo.
The official name for Exterminatus is Sly Marbo.
Sly Marbo beat a Warlord Titan at arm wrestling.
Sly Marbo hacked a Tyranid Prime to death with its own scything talon.
Sly Marbo can run faster than a Shokkjump Dragsta.
Sly Marbo sleeps with a pillow under his gun.
The Cicatrix Maledictum was created when Sly Marbo sneezed.
The first name engraved in every suit of Adeptus Custodes' armour is Sly Marbo.
Sly Marbo does not sleep. He waits...
Sly Marbo does not go hunting because "hunting" implies the possibility of failure -- Sly Marbo goes killing.
Roboute Guilliman keeps an inspirational pict of Sly Marbo with him at all times.
Sly Marbo won a staring contest with a Necron.

[midnight mortar]

Finally, the true Guardsman experience.

[serene sage]

Sorry for the pasta dump

But it's funny I.promise

[jaunty birch]

Increases toughness replenishment by 2.5% per stack. This improves toughness perks like the no enemies in 8m and the elite killin one, forgot the names. But it comes out to being about 5 seconds faster with tunnel vision to refill toughness from 0% with both of those talents being triggered

[vital saddle]

basically chuck norris

[serene sage]

Yep

[spark helm]

Whats this about executioners stance?

[forest blaze]

beautiful

[forest blaze]

Press F to shoot hoes

[spark helm]

Yeah

That's fine

[vital saddle]

if u go marksman u take all 3 anyway imo

[jaunty birch]

Remove the tax modifiers on it and add resets as a baseline ability, maybe even gunner highlights

[topaz lance]

Ah thanks so it only speeds up toughness regen basically. It feels like it should natively give you some tpoo,

[serene sage]

Pay respects and then shoot hoes

[tall torrent]

I think the vet tree after patch16 rework will be better

[vital saddle]

just remove counter fire problem solved

[jaunty birch]

In some cases 10% rending doesnt change breakpoints, so i stick with the right 2

[forest blaze]

^^

[serene sage]

Man I sure hope nothing bad would happen.

[topaz lance]

Someone suggested to remove reset altogether and make it last 10 sec. Honestly that also doesn't sound horrible to me.

[forest blaze]

on CIAG I wasn't seeing hit hit breakpoints with rending, so I dropped it

[spark helm]

Gunner highlights are insane just off the synergy. I wouldn't really care if executioners stance got changed to just roll what makes it stronger into baseline but it doesn't make or break anything I do since I'm actually trying to play off it anyway.

If I'm going to be making builds deliberately to take advantage of the ult that's fine. It's one of the easiest things to do in the game on its own

[astral blade]

what in the actual fuck lol

[steel quarry]

so whats more valuable precision strikes or longshot?

[forest blaze]

Typically speaking, it depends on the gun

[steel quarry]

auto/infantry gun

[forest blaze]

PStrikes has been doing well with IAGs in my experience. It lands softly with Plasma from my experience because it only really adds about 50ish damage on Plasma

[steel quarry]

precision applies to all headshots right?

[serene sage]

Funny jungle man do killing

[spark helm]

As far as talent costs, I'm still sort of ambivalent but do agree some talents should just be added back into veteran's baseline overall

[serene sage]

Like 25% suppression?

[spark helm]

Yeah

Or reload speed

[serene sage]

Why is that a thing lol

[spark helm]

And ammo capacity.

Actually idr if reload speed was there. Pretty sure it was just ammo reserves

[slow spade]

I can't wait till the Vet rework Mk.2 comes out and its just a longer talent tree UwU

[frank ether]

35 points to reach keystone

[serene sage]

Surely they won't fuck it up this time

[forest blaze]

💩

[slow spade]

I CAN'T WAIT

tbh I should probably plan for a boss killing build

[jolly cave]

It's just the current talent tree, but with Iron Will, Agile Engagement, Demolition Stockpile, Confirmed Kill, Exhilarating Takedown, Tactical Awareness, and Onslaught removed.

[slow spade]

as PUGs can barely handle a beast of nurgle

[serene sage]

Actually, instead of speculating talent tree, why don't we think of what talent would be bugged

[slow spade]

let alone 2 cracked out twins

[serene sage]

Is there a chance for Thy Grenade Be Swift again?

[jaunty birch]

lets see twinned nade at 35%

[slow spade]

they should do the funny and make ET make you take more damage again

[spark helm]

Pubs are pubs. That changes as people just get bigger overall.

[serene sage]

Or maybe Exhil Takedowns v2

[slow spade]

bro its not funny to leak the rework before the update UwU

[ruby copper]

As much as I love voc, sneaky helbore build anyone?

[spark helm]

It was easier to think of for me before keystones.

[serene sage]

Well the tree is surely shorter now

[slow spade]

Marksmen Keystone -> doesn't have the aggro reduction talent

like bro what

[serene sage]

There's no need for threat reduction if there's no threat

[ruby copper]

You got to stay still and damn do I love a good bayonet charge XD

[serene sage]

taps head

[spark helm]

I haven't played that after the keystone rework.

[slow spade]

once Patch 15 hit, I basically stopped using my Helbore

[spark helm]

That's why they're already dead after you pop stealth. Or before. Whenever really.

[jolly cave]

What about patch 15 made you stop, out of curiosity?

[forest blaze]

Threat reduction is pog af in pub AM/AD

[jaunty birch]

copium part 2 drop tuesday

keep in mind part 1 from announcement to release was 4 days

[slow spade]

Plasma gun got the ping keystone and now it could 1-shot kill dreg gunners on body

which basically made Helbore just a worse plasma lol

[forest blaze]

I been sayin it

[jaunty birch]

kinda hard to compare helbore to plasma, very different guns imo

but if youre just goin off breakpoints I guess

[slow spade]

I mean yeah the plasma is just straight up better

it would be difficult to compare

[jaunty birch]

helbore is infinite ammo tho

with shocktrooper

[slow spade]

you want your ammo to matter though

and Helbore takes like 2 seconds to kill

[atomic zephyr]

mfw playing stealth vet and accidentally slide off the edge of a cliff trying to backstab a bunch of ragers on hab dreyko

[spark helm]

It happens

[slow spade]

and then the ragers turn around and hit you for the funny instant kill UwU

[jaunty birch]

idk built in melee on helbore is enough to take

[forest blaze]

In practice, there aren't really ammo problems with plasma because even the pubs learn quickly to feed you all the ammo. Never had a problem.

[slow spade]

also you can just ammo gremlin

[jaunty birch]

if youre lookin to just shoot big bolts I guess plasma, but helbore def has its niche

[topaz pebble]

For chainsword on vet, I swear I heard its possible to one rev a crusher

[ruby copper]

Plasma is a damage dealing monster, The Helbore is a refined tool

[slow spade]

a plasma vet will always be more ammo efficient than PUGs UwU

[jaunty birch]

wouldnt say one is better over the other

[topaz pebble]

If so, how would I go about that

[jaunty birch]

just different uses

[wind bone]

i have to do my fucking veteran tree again

[atomic zephyr]

dude i was cooking, stealth vet to cover the group from surprise threats goes so hard

[wind bone]

can they stop updating this please

[atomic zephyr]

unfortunately the edge took me by surprise

[stray storm]

This blade worth to buy?

[atomic zephyr]

ehhhh

[forest blaze]

always. put your guns away, boys. daddy needs the ammo

[jaunty birch]

nah

[slow spade]

indeed

[jaunty birch]

unless you want that blessing

[spark helm]

Don't worry. I understand completely. I legit forgot the layout ot s long flank where I'd need to jump down a level. Straight up vaulted off a cliff thinking I was hot shit lmao.

[jaunty birch]

not possible but would love to be proven wrong

[spark helm]

It would've worked too if I didn't flat out not have ground to stand on.

[topaz pebble]

Ok its possible

Just need to crit

Gonna potentially drop rampage for shred kek

[slow spade]

Psword is the only melee weapon that Vet has that can reasonably 1-shot kill crushers without some meme setup in my experience

[jaunty birch]

clip it lets see it

[frank ether]

plasma vet will be the pug

you are doomed

out of ammo 2 minutes into the mission

[slow spade]

brb immediately switching to my melee vet UwU

[spark helm]

chilling in Las gun.

Want some krak?

[frank ether]

tbh melee vet is chill

[slow spade]

yeah been running melee vet with plasma (no revolver :c)

[serene sage]

Can you build melee but go for ping keystone?

[frank ether]

sure

[spark helm]

Power sword melee vet is boring for me.

[frank ether]

ping affects your mele tho

[merry oak]

Orc class when?

[serene sage]

You just need Desperado from right tree right?

Maybe Precision from left?

[frank ether]

you dont have to have it for decent melee

but its great

[untold mulch]

"it actually works"

Killing the shoulder of the moron

[viral nacelle]

What’s funny is they don’t even need it, the gangsters run cities over there

[spark helm]

Yeah, it's just the only one that's solid enough in my current inventory

[low oar]

How is that a submachine gun. The whole point is the caliber is pistol rounds

[ruby copper]

So anyone got a good Helbore sneaky vet tree? I like the one I got but im intrigued to see if someone has a more competent build than mine

[merry oak]

Along with snapping the collar bone and pulverized rotor cuff

[ebon umbra]

ogryn pistol

[viral nacelle]

It’s so bad that Sao Paolo has tons of politicians getting outed as gangsters. It’s nuts

[ebon umbra]

[low oar]

That looks like 50 bmg and not 50 ae

[spark helm]

What is yours?

[low oar]

So it's 100% not pistol rounss

[slow spade]

we need a .50BMG pistol

[tall torrent]

Somewhat
You won’t reach trench fighter drill but u can afford grabbing a couple melee nodes

[viral nacelle]

The super klobb

[slow spade]

never made one as I think stealth is a meme at best

[low oar]

This feels like a slight more sophisticated version of a hammer and a nail

[viral nacelle]

Stealth good actually

[serene sage]

Workable yeah?

[tall torrent]

What weapons

[serene sage]

Melee

[forest blaze]

Stealth so good

[serene sage]

CAxe most likely

[forest blaze]

Stealth + Plas = love

[slow spade]

better to prevent than to save

[viral nacelle]

Which hellbore is the good one now?

[spark helm]

You're focusing into middle tree, you'll be fine.

Like seriously

No shade, just run some damnations with it and feel it out.

[ruby copper]

Whats the website so I can build my build and post it here? Lol

[spark helm]

It's definitely hilarious.

I liked it a little better before the keystone changes but dipping into ping makes it not matter anyway lol

[empty creek]

change the right tree so U get onslaught

rest is fine

[tall torrent]

onslaught not needed for combat axe

[forest blaze]

It's my favorite way to pub.

Frag. Scav. Infil. Focus Target. Win.

[empty creek]

onslaught so fckn awesome though

[spark helm]

Check darktide build in whatever search. It'll be the main site they post on the launcher client.

[vital saddle]

this is just too much ammo

[serene sage]

Onslaught so I can stack 10% after 5s?

I'm not sure if worth

[low oar]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-HammerShot-0-22-Caliber-Single-Shot-Tool-00022/100091715

This is the most American thing I've seen today

[spark helm]

I enjoy exe, surv, ping.

[spark helm]

Who said that?

[serene sage]

Honestly do I even need Desperado? Wouldn't Precision Strike be better?

[empty creek]

didn’t see U saying it was 4 an axe build, onslaught isn’t necessary

it’s still extremely helpful on guns but IDK

[serene sage]

Maybe Precision Strike better for CAxe cause I'm running Momentum?

[tall torrent]

If he’s using stuff that don’t stack it much then it’s not needed

[empty creek]

yeaaah

[serene sage]

We cleared that yeah

[tall torrent]

It’s a small difference

I think desperado is better if you reach combat axe breakpoints regardless of that 5% weakpoint difference

[viral nacelle]

heres the vet build ive been runnin https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9abd858b-0edc-4254-8805-4c36d92a7c07

no promises on it being good but i like it

[placid portal]

nice new Weapons for Part 2

[serene sage]

Isn't 5% movement speed better than 1 stamina?

[forest blaze]

I've been finding that exec with plasma doesn't give me the flexibility I need. I find I have more than enough damage for 99% of situations but I lack fire rate and mobility to reposition in bad games

[jaunty birch]

depends on the build, hes running deadshot so it looks like he would get more value from that talent with the stam

[serene sage]

He's not though?

[jaunty birch]

woops thought he was

[spark helm]

Ah, I didn't elaborate. I don't really care deeply for plasma gun but I recognize its strength. The setup I summarized is using la infantry las guns.

With pswords for melee.

[viral nacelle]

maybe but i like stam and the build is already quick moving

[jaunty birch]

idk I find myself pushing a lot and stam is kinda slept on

[forest blaze]

makes sense makes sense

CIAG for me for my exec build. Brrrrrrrrrrr

[spark helm]

Sometimes I'll go frag grenade if I just feel like I'll need it since my psword isn't working power cycler 4

[vital saddle]

me xD its a ton of ammo 😄

[jaunty birch]

i take a 3 stam curio with toughness for my deadshot shotgun build

[spark helm]

I've been addcited to this build since the og game lmao it's over for me.

[jaunty birch]

and the 1 stam from the middle is nice

[tall torrent]

I’ve been enjoying this
Combat axe 2
IAG 8
It’s just a really solid workhorse set-up

[spark helm]

Like, exactly what I like to play off of back then. Information. Shit fun.

[viral nacelle]

imo the vet keystones are shit

i just skip em and take the good stuff

fuck tagging things every five seconds

[spark helm]

Starved for toughness or don't care at all?

[serene sage]

12% teamwide damage is nice

[plush dragon]

if u dont have to worry about ammo personally, 5% power is better and may reduce off-branching

[ruby copper]

Weapon specialist is actually good

[viral nacelle]

counterpoint, i hate it

[desert hawk]

I mean you're probably tagging already so it's free stuff on top

[serene sage]

Uptime is like almost always

[spark helm]

I agree.

[serene sage]

Cool bro

[frank ether]

Thats how I do it on my mid build

[viral nacelle]

yes but i dont like it 🤷‍♀️

[frank ether]

helps both melee and ranged

[vital saddle]

isnt it 20% at 5 stacks

[plush dragon]

counter point ill take weapon specialist legendary killing ability

[ruby copper]

YOu see the sneaky helobore build I posted?

[spark helm]

yuh

[tall torrent]

The 5% power didn’t hit any important breakpoints for my weapons and I take the ammo so the revolver enjoyers in my team can pop off while I deal with more generic threats

[serene sage]

That's the debuff
I'm talking about the buff Redirect Fire

[spark helm]

does the charge time decrease with wep spec?

[jaunty birch]

this with lawbringer shotgun, with flechette and man stopper, with chaxe is my go to rn. tons of fun watching the horde disappear with a special shell at 100% crit

[spark helm]

never tired it.

[junior needle]

Just to note: If your team has to worry about ammo, that can easily become your problem in more ways than one.

[serene sage]

But yeah you can also debuff stuff too

[vital saddle]

ah i tend not to take that unless im using plas gun 😄

[plush dragon]

as long as you know your place in the world, all is well :3

smort

[vital saddle]

too many points 😄

[plush dragon]

tfw wanna make smoke viable build but grabbing my must have talents is a chore/impossible

[spark helm]

becuz i kno you don't need the full charge to take down a lot of stuff

[ruby copper]

Weapon specialist is insane as a keystone and honestly to me one of the only really useful ones for any vet who cant stand still long

[spark helm]

I feel you

[plush dragon]

smoke grenades are so good because it makes foes slowly walk into your zealot psyker

[spark helm]

I use it a lot myself when i'm in the mood.

[plush dragon]

bby girl i see u

[tall torrent]

Maybe this?

[plush dragon]

one point off im afraid for my ideeals

ewww tag

[tall torrent]

I ran this with mg4 las

[spark helm]

?

[plush dragon]

:p

[ruby copper]

the weapon combo i use currently with it

[vital saddle]

i still prefer the markman focus version personally

[plush dragon]

last talent tree was gucci but one off for what i need

i hoenstly cannot love myself without 20% pickup

[vital saddle]

as i can use it with normal las guns as well

[tall torrent]

It’s good though

[plush dragon]

cause i run 30% revive unironically 24/7

[plush dragon]

its insane

honestly

free kill for team

on a boss??

dont even need creep management if u can slap a 30% debuff

but i play forward and tag spam for spacing

just not mee

love how veteran has the most diversity

[spark helm]

Personally I'm a knife fiend when I run right tree especially with the ms aura but axes put in a lot of work

[jaunty birch]

I get the vet hate with the bloated talent tree, but damn vet builds just hit harder than any other class imo

[south garnet]

new? the FS devs just accidentally rediscovered the weapon mod assets leftover from the subsystem they gave up on and forgot about and is using it to drip feed content in the form of bloating the already bloated existing weapon pools

:^)

[vital saddle]

find it rare to to get all 8 stacks on a target so i feel like only putting 1-2 points into focus targets is best

[placid portal]

: ^)

Pretty much

[jaunty birch]

new to us lmfao

[vital saddle]

as the toughness and stam is real nice and the dmg bonus is good if it helps with ur breakpoints

[ruby copper]

The Dash distance increase plus melee speed with an axe means you kill one guy with your gun and all of a sudden you can clear a horde faster than most pub CC Zealots

[plush dragon]

they hit so much harder before without keystones cause you could multiclass so easily

[sweet mango]

Is there 3 people free enough to help me with a penance?

[plush dragon]

my biggest peeve

[spark helm]

huh...

[plush dragon]

uber comment

dash distance goes hard

[ruby copper]

Insanely hard

[frank ether]

I wouldnt obsess too hard over builds rn since the tree will change again in a week or two

[jaunty birch]

oh fs, there was some nerfs after the keystones, but ive had more fun working with them than I did without keystones before, but thats just preference

[plush dragon]

like that and perfect perpendiular dodgine makes for successfull -7 dodge counts

[spark helm]

Well now I'm interested. I've always liked axes in the first place, just never used any since the class overhaul changes in the first place. Scrapped all my characters to relevel each one through the new experience. Veteran is already my favorite class in the game so when they made right tree that dynamic I couldn't just ignore all the ways you could run it.

[jaunty birch]

Tuesday

[tall torrent]

Tag spam works for keystone

If a tagged enemy is killed immediately after u tag, you’ll be given a minimum of 2 stacks

This means every target u tag will take at least +8% dmg from your whole team

And it’s very easy to stack up toughness/stamina, and redirect fire dmg buffs

[plush dragon]

cant wait for the third update before christmas

[jaunty birch]

when the vet community hates the v2 rework lol

[spark helm]

fuck the vet community

lol

[plush dragon]

there is no carry over talent stop spreading missinformation qanon

[frank ether]

what community

[plush dragon]

straight shooters

[tall torrent]

I’ve tested, if u kill a tagged enemy, your stacks immediately get set to 2

[ruby copper]

Literally any axe works, Id say anything with an already fast melee speed or anything a little to slow to use normally works well

[spark helm]

that too

[tall torrent]

Even if you’re at 1 stack

[plush dragon]

ah so a dev error, amazing, which talent has the secret ability

yeah its nice then u maintain a 10% debuf at least

[placid portal]

tbh the tag builds up quick enough to be 2 stacks after killing marked enemy

[tall torrent]

Tag keystone
If a tagged enemy is killed you’re given a minimum of 2 stacks

[placid portal]

[tall torrent]

But won’t give u additional if more than 2 stacks

[spark helm]

fair lol

[plush dragon]

if it had timeframe full carry over, i would have a field day

[tall torrent]

You can basically tag spam special after special and keep feeding your team toughness & stamina

[gloomy kestrel]

srs question, does blaze away -actually- work on plasma?

[plush dragon]

lain

[gloomy kestrel]

I'm not really seeing much difference in the damage numbers

[flat pebble]

gotta spam that shit

[ruby copper]

Whats nice about the hand axes is the choice of variance between attack patterns and damage outputs so which ever one you like the best will work, I just use the VI Atrox because its more speed based but I can still 2 to 3 tap a mutie or rager

[gloomy kestrel]

yeah I'm shooting into a crusher as fast as possible and even with brittleness it's like 1030 damage, 1076, etc

[tall torrent]

It’s at base, you don’t need any of the 3 modifiers to get this 2 stack refund

[gloomy kestrel]

only going up a -tiny- bit per shot

[tall torrent]

And probably an intended behaviour

[spark helm]

what do you recommend for axe blessings?

[south garnet]

I personally like the mk 7 for taxes

[tall torrent]

Combat axe (brutal momentum + headtaker)

Tactical axe (brutal momentum + shred)

Tac axe with crit build is pretty good

[ruby copper]

Brutal momentum and the second blessing an easily be replaced for whatever you need to shore up on ability wise. I just happen to use headtaker atm

[flat pebble]

i have a headtaker bm mk4 taxe roll with flak unarmored i like a lot

mk4 light spam is nice

[south garnet]

decimator works pretty decent on taxes as opposed to caxes because you can hit max stacks on deci super quick relative to other weapons

[ruby copper]

the speed plus brutal means I can take out most if not all elites in one clean headshot

[south garnet]

so even if you drop them due to a flub it's not a huge deal

[plush dragon]

decimator op

new crit rework for vet makes for murder

[flat pebble]

i don’t tend to enjoy decimator unless it’s a best option on the weapon (shovel) because it’s so easy to drop deci stacks spamming into a horde if a pocket happens to open up where you’re spamming

[viscid vessel]

What are the best perks and blessings for a Vraks 7?

[plush dragon]

easy to have base 20% and guarentee stacking

[ruby copper]

@spark helm

[spark helm]

Mhm.

[south garnet]

true, but as I noted it's less of an issue with taxe just because of the speed - especially with the attack speed node

[spark helm]

I figure I have some brutal momentum somewhere. I just collect blessings from weapon I don't use often

[south garnet]

max stacks on deci from zero is like finger snap

[spark helm]

t3 good enough?

[odd merlin]

Another great combination of blessing for the axe is brutal momentum and limbsplitter. 120% on first heavy swing!

[spark helm]

i don't mind having to push myself a bit to make sure something works.

[flat pebble]

yeah it just feels especially like shit when it drops because the taxe really appreciates the damage buff

[frank ether]

if you could keep deci up for a while I'd agree

[plush dragon]

bring it down is halfway down the mid branch,,, rip casual monstrosity killing

[frank ether]

the moment you stop swinging or miss, its gone

[odd merlin]

Pardon me... Thrust and limbsplitter.

[flat pebble]

yeah that’s a combo

[mellow adder]

Would I be better off getting the left one and trying to reroll it or should I just stick with what I have?

[south garnet]

yea it's a feel thing, but if you can keep it up as @frank ether noted reliably, the power boost from deci is absolutely insane relative to headtaker and other blessings in the same vein

[frank ether]

yea stacked deci is pretty strong I'll admit

[safe kindle]

Rolled my first 550

[flat pebble]

no argue#ments there

i’m so tired

[odd merlin]

Noice

[tall torrent]

keep right

[frank ether]

I've hit a shovel overhead on some poor crusher for like 1000+ damage thanks to deci uncanny lol

[spark helm]

well good for you

[mellow adder]

ah ty!

[frank ether]

It just folded instantly

[tall torrent]

What the fuck (what the fuck)

[south garnet]

But, it's absolutely reliant on swinging constantly - you lose the ability to use pushes freely without losing stacks relative to headtaker that lets you play more flexibly while hanging on to stacks. As with a lot of these tradeoffs it's a question of whether or not it meshes with your playstyle

[frank ether]

shovel overhead has good carapace potential

the push follow-up attack

[plush dragon]

love this chat because i can always get something out of it ❤️

[south garnet]

YOU CANT BEAT THE BONK

[flat pebble]

yeah plenty of room for personal preference between deci and HT on the taxes

[frank ether]

I wonder if the new shovel variant will specialize in carapace/boss damage

[tall torrent]

Seems like I must go farm a bajillion shovels now

[frank ether]

I mean its not gonna beat a powersword at it since deci is finnicky to get working, but you can have those moments

[odd merlin]

A pistol round to the face beats a BONK anyday.

[plush dragon]

fun fact, the single handed chainsaw sword is op now. just dont fuck up managing the special ability swing. dont want to spend two seconds killing a shitter...

[tall torrent]

They say it’s a folding shovel so prob higher mobility?

[flat pebble]

feels unlikely from a mechanical perspective

[plush dragon]

also easy to build mutant kill +bleed stacking. its the ez boss kill item

[south garnet]

bonk is love, bonk is life

[flat pebble]

the shovel already has a mobility and defense stat

[frank ether]

maybe? honestly no idea what folding even means in this context

how do you also have

higher mobility

then current shovel

cause like, 5 dodges already

[south garnet]

It may just be a different/weirder moveset, yea possibly with armor specialization

[flat pebble]

it’s probably going to have better single target is my guess (hope)

[frank ether]

I wouldn't hate anti-armor shovel tbh

let me bonk crushers even harder

and possibly give it some good boss damage and I'm happy

[south garnet]

any excuse to use a shovel is acceptable to me

[fast scaffold]

It would be cool if we got stance weapons

[frank ether]

I love the sound it makes

enough reason to use it

[tall torrent]

I wanna get a good shovel so I can skip the melee nodes and still get a serviceable melee

[fast scaffold]

Like two animation sets for special active

[steel quarry]

what blessings do you enjoy on the agrip mk 1 infantry auto

[frank ether]

but yes give me more excuse to use shovel and my brain can release happy chemicals

[tall torrent]

Combat axe needs like 3 melee dmg nodes and I just don’t like the restrictive nature of that

[flat pebble]

i think we’ll see a single target damage special on the new shovel as opposed to the universally great stagger special we have now

that’s my guess

i have formulated my hypothesis

[plush dragon]

decapitator, thats what i was thinking

with the new crit increase for vet

insane finese

insane free stacking

on a combat v axe

brutal momentum and decapitator on a cqc build

literally two shot ragers

[vivid tangle]

what do you generally want on your shovel?

[frank ether]

the usual build goes for uncanny for rending and decimator for power

[placid portal]

take a swing do be a cool optional

[south garnet]

what Plush said, but it's also a pretty flexible weapon in terms of what blessings it's friendly with (talents depending)

[frank ether]

alternate blessings for power are also viable

so if you dont like decimator, you have some alternatives

[placid portal]

skullcrusher

[frank ether]

which is great

[placid portal]

40% dmg on staggered

Shovel does good stagger too

[south garnet]

Yep. I didn't even use uncanny for a very long time and it was still my favorite wep

[placid portal]

Same

[frank ether]

and so does shout if you're a shouty boi

[placid portal]

Shovel sweep gamers

[frank ether]

shovel class

[placid portal]

OOoh Engineer confirmed?

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-engineer-engineer-gaming-funny-comedy-gif-18207070438031941811

[vivid tangle]

my current main build is shout with focus target if that changes much, although I suppose there are probably more specific things that matter?

[odd merlin]

What I'm really looking forward to is trying out the fanning technique on the new revolver!

[placid portal]

God now we can truly become space cowboy

hope it has speed loader to help reload the darn gun

not blessing*

https://tenor.com/view/aesthetic-anime-guns-loading-gun-locked-and-load-gif-12379724

[odd merlin]

lol I doubt we can expect that from Fatshark

[vivid tangle]

oh and right what perks do I want on shobel?

[placid portal]

Uncanny + Decimator is generalist blessing set

[vivid tangle]

perks I'm thinking like, maniac and whatever the poxwalker one is

right?

this is a sign, I must stagger

[junior needle]

Flak/unarmored is the best horde clear, but maniacs is fine if you actually use your shovel to deal with ragers.

If you don't use it to kill ragers the value will be very limited.

[vivid tangle]

aha I see, okie ty

[bleak tendon]

Could a hellgun be a mk?

[vivid tangle]

then I'm thinking of just doing flak/unarmoured and leaving the blessings as is, probably the right thing for that shovel

[thick rose]

for shovel decimater and uncanny or skullcrusher?

is uncanny just better?

[placid portal]

if dealing with armor yes

Rending does not work vs unarmored & infested

[viral nacelle]

infernus good on helbore?

[merry oak]

Meh

It's a meme

It's useful just a tad

[viral nacelle]

is the helbore 3 any good?

[merry oak]

Depends

You like sniping?

[placid portal]

if you wanna put down a crusher/mauler in 2 shots

[ruby copper]

Heavily depends

[placid portal]

yes

[mystic belfry]

I am intrigued by the idea of fanning the hammer on a revolver

[viral nacelle]

interesting

[placid portal]

Good ol yeehaw

[viral nacelle]

i may try it

[ruby copper]

Otherwise bayonet for the win

[placid portal]

mk1 & 2 got the insane bayonet killing potential

[merry oak]

It's solid for sniping it's bayonet is meh so dint expect good results in close quarters

[placid portal]

mk3 can kill some but not as fast

[ruby copper]

mk 3 doestn have a bayonet it has an overhead bonk

[merry oak]

Yea

[placid portal]

Pretty much

[merry oak]

I prefer the MK2

[placid portal]

it still oneshots dogs on headshot luckily

[merry oak]

Sold all range and bayonet hits like an axe

[ruby copper]

Mk2 or 1 def the way to go personally

[merry oak]

Bayonet is like 1.3k damage on weakspot

[ruby copper]

Best to use it like a multitool

[merry oak]

Yea

[placid portal]

Don't like mk2 bc the bayonet is a kekbab skewer

mk3 got the propa weapon drip

[thick rose]

this is dumb, because I honestly hate thinking about this stuff

so uncanny shovel with ranged that doesn't deal with armor, skullcrusher when it does? or would you just always take uncanny and have options

[viral nacelle]

what are people running for gun builds?

because obviously the full gun tree is absolute trash

[placid portal]

No, Uncanny is a good general use blessing,

[mystic belfry]

It's not

You can run left full tree focus if ya want, it's good

[placid portal]

focus is good if your weapon has good finesse imo

[tall torrent]

Been using these two

[flat pebble]

uncanny just turns into a buff at max stacks of uncanny 4 against everything that’s not infested or unarmored so it’s kinda just good to take no matter what

[mystic belfry]

Cute that you think that's funny

[flat pebble]

because of the way rending over 100% works

[mystic belfry]

A shooter build without left tree is likely going to either hit no capstone or middle capstone

[placid portal]

shovel can duel a few maulers and a rager

[mystic belfry]

Depends on what you're doing

[placid portal]

maybe a few crushers

[astral blade]

Question would using the infected perk on a Chainsword be a good idea?

[flat pebble]

if you’re good with the shovel poke you can take on the world tbh

[placid portal]

nah

[mystic belfry]

No

[placid portal]

Infested only works on poxxies and dog

Dog already dies in a few hits from melee

as if our weapons are.... made of chocolate

[astral blade]

I thought infected also works on infected mobs?

[placid portal]

ye

[flat pebble]

poxwalkers, yes

[placid portal]

I call em poxxies

[flat pebble]

“poxies”

[bronze palm]

Just got a new option from Melk, would you swap? Old gun is lacking stopping power, but new gun will be stuck with two tier-3 traits.

[astral blade]

So why couldn’t I use it on infected perk on poxwalkers?

For my melee

[flat pebble]

there are better options

[astral blade]

Fair enough

[mystic belfry]

Blaze Away and Maniac

I'd probably just use the left though, flak isn't useful for plasma really

[umbral flint]

vet gets new penance cosmetics when part 2 releases right?

[bronze palm]

Blaze Away stacks go away so fast. If I even take a fraction of a second to line up my next shot it goes away.

[flat pebble]

yeah specifically vet

[astral blade]

What are best perks and blessing for Chainsword?

[mystic belfry]

Aim faster

[flat pebble]

there is a lot of room for preference, i quite like flak+maniac rampage+bloodletter

[umbral flint]

https://tenor.com/view/based-so-fucking-zased-sam-hyde-samir-al-hyden-samuel-hyde-costco-incident-gif-23747241

[flat pebble]

most combinations of the blessings are savage sweep, rampage, shred, wrath, and bloodletter

generally speaking savage sweep and rampage is the go to i think

[mystic belfry]

Specifically don't use bloodletter, it's quite bad

The stacks only apply after the special attack finishes

[flat pebble]

it helps secure some OHKS

[astral blade]

Huh ok well glad I’m using rampage with bloodletter

[mystic belfry]

Just one shot without it

[gloomy kestrel]

know what would be a cool ass mod? a weapon simulator for similacrum

[mystic belfry]

Do you mean testing out whatever guns? it exists

[flat pebble]

i encourage you to try out different blessings as well, plenty of room for preference

[gloomy kestrel]

being able to put in the blessings/perks to test em before you go chasing them

[flat pebble]

rampage bloodletter will also most likely be not good once they fix rampage

[tall torrent]

Wait fr?

[placid portal]

Didn't see it in the teaser notes

[astral blade]

Wait what you mean?

[gloomy kestrel]

hasn't been anything about new cosmetics for part 2

[midnight mortar]

Hahaha, what?

Stop spreading misinformation you silly goose.

[placid portal]

oh yea the 50% dmg & 36% power stacking

[flat pebble]

rampage is significantly stronger than it’s intended to be currently

[placid portal]

[midnight mortar]

Rampage is bugged currently.

[terse idol]

We juuust got the vanguard pack, bur all I can say is like

[midnight mortar]

You are gaining both the current 36% damage boost and the old value of 50% damage boost.

[mystic belfry]

Even without the bug it would be a top pick regardless

[terse idol]

There WILL be a store rotation

[placid portal]

Original and new blessing got slapped together

[bronze palm]

What mod is that? Does it let you test breakpoints on weapons you don't have?

[midnight mortar]

The cosmetic store just rotated about 14-15 hours ago.

[umbral flint]

i meant all classes but i was told they were getting them in the next patch after the class reworks

[mystic belfry]

yes, and I don't remember

[flat pebble]

yeah ofc my point was more than it probably won’t be doing enough to justify rampage and bloodletter. you’ll probably want shred or cleave instead more at that point

[midnight mortar]

Who told you that?

[flat pebble]

power is great

[astral blade]

Eh still think I’ll be using rampage and blood letter

[placid portal]

Effectively 136% DMG * 1.5x or 150% DMG * 1.36 power boost

So nearly 200% dmg

[mystic belfry]

I'd want it more now too

[placid portal]

so doubled damage

[astral blade]

Rampage for hordes and bloodletter for mutants

[mystic belfry]

Rampage also for mutants

[placid portal]

Blood letter do be nice on bosses too

[flat pebble]

yeah you made that clear lol

[midnight mortar]

A single reved heavy already guarantees a kill on mutants, in case you weren't aware.

[umbral flint]

i simply asked when are getting new penace cosmetics and people were saying this patch

[mystic belfry]

Rampage is everything as long as enemies are around. And if it's not mid horde, it wasn't a threat really

[placid portal]

unless crusher kill squads

[midnight mortar]

I'd have to ask where these people got their information from considering that has never been said.

[astral blade]

I know but I’ve had moments where my rev heavy hasn’t killed a mutant

[mystic belfry]

Use your gun then

[placid portal]

Can't hit 3 targets if all 3 are crushers

[flat pebble]

chainsword discussion always makes people bicker

[astral blade]

But the blood letter has finished it off

[mystic belfry]

It's suicidal to rev crusher squads

[midnight mortar]

Post your chainsword then? Even Fatshark acknowledged in patch notes that they specifically altered mutant health so that one heavy would kill a mutant every time.

[mystic belfry]

Like it can pay off, or you can just instantly die

[astral blade]

I’ll do it when I get home

[mystic belfry]

That said, I don't actually like chainsword as a weapon very much

[astral blade]

Currently out rn

[flat pebble]

i think chsword is better on zealot

[novel nimbus]

Finally home after two weeks away. I don't care much for the new veteran talent tree.

[midnight mortar]

And as someone who used the chainsword for a while, both when it was one reved light to kill a mutant and afterwards, I know that a reved heavy is a guaranteed OHKO on mutants no matter what.

[flat pebble]

you turn into a front facing blender with chsword on zealot

[midnight mortar]

Unless your damage stat is like 30% or something, I don't think it's possible to miss that breakpoint.

[mystic belfry]

100% crit chaince does make rev better

[flat pebble]

well then are you in luck lol

[placid portal]

God Crit + weakpoint Rev damage is insane

[mystic belfry]

One rev, on a shitty chainsword

[thick rose]

for dclaw 4 is light spam or l1, h2 better on hordes?

[flat pebble]

the latter

[placid portal]

l1 h2 l3 H2 L3 looop

[mystic belfry]

Said shitty chainsword

[novel nimbus]

Grenadier and the talent that gives you a chance to throw double grenades should be merged imho

[mystic belfry]

I do mean shitty

[novel nimbus]

The chance is so small it almost doesn't matter

[placid portal]

Light 3 is a clean horizontal after heavy 2

[astral blade]

[placid portal]

fucking disgusting how mk4 has the best horizontal cleave

[glacial mist]

i got a hold of a

[midnight mortar]

The l3 is delicious.

[placid portal]

[glacial mist]

an axe with flurry archtype?

[placid portal]

Chef's kiss I'd say

[mystic belfry]

Specifically used a crap random mission chainsword to prove the point

[glacial mist]

it has headhunter on it i think

[astral blade]

Wait is the Chainsword getting a variant?

[glacial mist]

i kinda like it

[midnight mortar]

No.

[placid portal]

Might be a chainaxe variant

[midnight mortar]

Only the shovel and revolver are getting a new variant.

[glacial mist]

swinging that thing like a madman at lightspeed

[astral blade]

[flat pebble]

chaxe almost certainly is

[thick rose]

chainaxe though, from the picture

[placid portal]

they said it's one of the few weapons that are getting new marks

[flat pebble]

we really only have a good idea for 2.5 weapons

[astral blade]

Chain axe is dogshit

[placid portal]

so they might add even more

[thick rose]

yeah but

what if it wasn't?

[flat pebble]

the two they announced and the third in the picture

[midnight mortar]

I'm not playing Fatshark's ambiguity games.

[mystic belfry]

Oh, do make sure that when you rev a charger it's a heavy

[astral blade]

No ifs or buts chain axe is dogshit end of story

[mystic belfry]

light is not a guaranteed one-shot

[flat pebble]

it’s literally not ambiguous at all

[midnight mortar]

They've have to alter the base characteristics of the chainaxe.

[sharp ember]

im huffing hopium for chainaxe rework with the new mark

[mystic belfry]

Eh, chain axe is usable, but it could be a lot better

[midnight mortar]

Not just slap a variant on it.

[flat pebble]

“introducing amongst others” is directly explicit

[gray stone]

yall know if anyones working on a veteran guide like the ogrynomicon and atheneum? the class might not need it but i like community things like them

[midnight mortar]

See, that could easily just mean "among other already existing variants, we're adding some new variants: these two".

[midnight mortar]

Veteran is in a heavy state of flux, so no one wants to make a guide that'll be outdated in a month or less.

[tall torrent]

Too many breakpoints to calculate and veteran chat is full or tryhards with the hottest takes

[gray stone]

fair

[terse idol]

Oh pog

[tall torrent]

Plus

[gray stone]

and real

[tall torrent]

Vet is about to get their 3rd skill tree rework

[midnight mortar]

Ogryn has a new shirtless chestpiece. The rest are recolors.

[terse idol]

Sadge

[gloomy kestrel]

more than likely the new tree will come out and then if they get the point economy down flat, they may need to do some numerical adjustments in a still later patch

[terse idol]

Soon we'll have shirtless for everyone to show off those sweet Chest tats

[tall torrent]

Patch 13 skill tree overhaul

Patch 15 keystones added

Patch 16 skill tree minor rework

[midnight mortar]

GW specifically nixxed shirtless options for everyone that wasn't an ogryn.

[gloomy kestrel]

GW did?

[terse idol]

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[gloomy kestrel]

Like they came in and said no shirtless to FS?