veteran-class

[serene sage]

if you want to be greedy get 10% melee

[untold moth]

Thanks guys. Was not sure about the 2 points on the suppression immunity. I “liked” it, but good positioning makes up for it

[frank ether]

shovel is one decimator buff away from being insanely strong

[untold moth]

I’ll probably use 10% melee if I try other melee weapons, like Rashad

[umbral scaffold]

I feel like every single weapon, except of chain axe, is one buff away from being OP

[delicate estuary]

you bad

[serene sage]

recon bad

[gusty sonnet]

As if melee vet needed to be any better

[frank ether]

with the decimator it resets pretty much instantly when you miss or stop swinging

[sharp ember]

i remember old decimator that stacked with cleaves

and only had 5 stacks

[dapper vessel]

theres not a lot to say here. Youre taking all the damage boosting nodes and youre not planning to use keystones.

[junior needle]

Is there any way to kind a single action to multiple keys?

[frank ether]

if it had like a 3 second grace period before expiring or lost stacks one by one instead of resetting entirely, you could easily build up stacks on trash packs and then proceed to bonk on crusher/maulers

[dapper vessel]

I probably would swap the stam regen delay node for the 10% toughness damage reduction instead

[untold moth]

Whc was one of my favorite in vt2.. it’s hard looking at this focus target keystone and not resent it

[dapper vessel]

but thats because I would want to stack it up

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-gif-2822468507363798988

[dapper vessel]

I can think of a more radical change however

[serene sage]

Why take that many nades nodes but not Tinkered?

[dusk idol]

play with no talents

[serene sage]

I would take -1 nade for Tinkered

[finite imp]

i did this once by accident

and made it

[serene sage]

The 25% radius is crazy

[dusk idol]

chad

[frank ether]

chaxe needs a rework at this point

[sharp ember]

there might be a mod for it, i feel like i glimpsed it once on nexus

[ebon umbra]

okay. I chose extra grenade + demo team over tinkerer. i'll switch over and play for awhile with it.

[karmic musk]

Bruh why the fk they allow you to bind Ping on Left click?

Just had a match where a Laspistol Vet was doing that

Need to mute my ingame sound

[ebon umbra]

stamina node was a misinput. What radical change would you have me try out? I'm down to try a lot.

[sharp ember]

lmao was it a tag keystone vet

its even worse

[dusk idol]

because spam pinging asserts dominance

[karmic musk]

Yes

[dapper vessel]

well its my own Plasma build that I cook up

lemme show it

[karmic musk]

I was on Tag keystone too and my tag keeps shifting because of the spam

[serene sage]

You can actually spam ping with keystone kek

I love making a beat when I see a DH

[dusk idol]

good design

[karmic musk]

Step back from Vermintide, as usual

[serene sage]

Ping ping ping ping ping

Repeat

[karmic musk]

Wait if you mute the player, does the Ping sound still stay?

[dusk idol]

yes

[karmic musk]

rip

[dusk idol]

just kidding, I have no fucking clue

guess you gotta find out the hard way

[karmic musk]

I don't think it does tbh

I will just play without audio I guess 🤷‍♂️

[serene sage]

Playing without audio cue is actually really weird

[serene sage]

I kinda like it ngl

[dapper vessel]

Tag can help with reaching 1 shot breakpoints

Redirect fire is an additive bonus damage up to 12%

so if you kill a tagged enemy that has 8 stacks of focus target on it

your next weapon attacks will have 12% more damage applied to it, and you can boost it up again by tagging an enemy

only reason I run the reload speed node is because I want to reload the weapon faster, you can turn that off however

[tall torrent]

How’s this

[junior needle]

Searching up "hotkey", "rebind", "binding", and "bind" gave me nothing. Unfortunate.

[serene sage]

Dayum

Autohotkey time then

[ebon umbra]

i saved this and i'll add it to my center tree builds. i'd like more teamplay bcuz my preferred builds are pretty selfish

thanks

[junior needle]

Perks are subpar, and the 4 is least optimal for headhunting playstyles

[tall torrent]

What blessing should I go for then

Headhunter + Infernus?

With onslaught?

[serene sage]

I run full middle and play pretty selfishly lel

[ebon umbra]

oh yeah, im support. I support myself

[dapper vessel]

you are welcome

[serene sage]

[junior needle]

That's actually not a bad option for a lazyman bodyshot playstyle, I tried it and it went pretty well if you go deadshot/dnd/ghost for max crit fishing. I preferred ghost/infernus for supreme lazyman.

Here's a game where I tested it

[fallow compass]

Thats pretty good

[karmic musk]

Theres a solution! holy

[gentle heath]

stopping power for Colomnus autogun aint that important right?

[junior needle]

Very important

[serene sage]

Isn't sub 500k pretty low for a full match?

[junior needle]

Stopping power is important on every gun it's on

[junior needle]

It was only a regular high itensity and I was doing the "no ammo pickup" challenge.

[serene sage]

Gotcha

[ebon umbra]

god i love no ammmo modifier

one shotting rager trains

chugga chugga choochoo

[junior needle]

Went pretty well, had like 400~ ammo by the end so I could've gotten more if I was less careful with shots

Onslaught/infernus was actually pretty good for helping with your abysmal flak damage

But infernus is just there to proc onslaught and does basically nothing by itself

[worthy ridge]

I just got 21 moebian outfit and I don't think I should have it

[tall torrent]

Can I run headhunter + Infernus because I really don’t like deadshot

[sharp ember]

oh, the vanguard bundle cosmetics are out?

seems they got put in with no announcement with today's hotfix

[junior needle]

You can, but it's much less effective in terms of critfishing and if you're constantly headshotting you might as well go the other setup.

Ghost/dnd makes you have infinite stamina as long as you're being shot at

And it's a ton of free shots

I only ran it with a single +3 curio and it was pretty forgiving

[mystic belfry]

Just run deadshot to make use of infernus

[tall torrent]

Can I say I’m one of those people that hipfire spam the mg4

[mystic belfry]

With las pistol you can just hipfire when you don’t want to use it

And when you want to dump burn and crit dps just ads

If you don’t want to run deadshot I’d just take some other dps I increasing blessing tbh

Nothing wrong with that setup

[junior needle]

This is for an mg4

Not quite as good at hipfire but still doable

[sharp ember]

it's fun

[brisk sapphire]

Laspistol spent stam too fast with deadshot for my taste. And besides, it kills pretty damn fast with headshots already

[junior needle]

Stam curios help with that a lot

Without a +3 it goes pretty fast

But if you're not cracked with headshots it helps considerably because unless you're critting/headshotting, you're doing like 1/3 the damage.

And doing both is more damage too.

[serene bough]

Mg4 is a pretty good middle ground between lasrifle and laspistol

hip fire accuracy is decent

[sharp ember]

new moebian fit with the pearl clutcher bundle

[serene bough]

blue clothes red shotgun

[fallow compass]

Needs blue shotgun

[sharp ember]

the docket skin is the wrong shade of blue, it's worse than a contrasting color to me

[fallow compass]

What about standard shotgun skin?

[ebon umbra]

nightshade is more teal

[fallow compass]

Yeah thats worse lol

[wind spoke]

hmmm, feel like this is a good combo of blessings at least?

[fallow compass]

Somehow

[wind spoke]

Thinking swapping unarmored for dmg to flak, unsure what to do with second craft.

[junior needle]

Why would you swap unarmored when you have critical damage there?

[wind spoke]

I am crit focused so I figure I'll get more general use outta that vs. unarmored (where I don't really need the damage?)

[slow spade]

Because maybe they want the dreg gunner to live a little longer c:

[wind spoke]

But I am not super knowledgable so am very open to being dumb/wrong and learning.

[whole moon]

I think I agree with that players comment before, we need black wep skins that are colour neutral for the outfits

[slow spade]

"63% damage" "don't really need the damage" 🤔

[wind spoke]

The damage vs. unarmored, feel like I'd get more use outta dmg vs. flak enemies. Testing a bit it seems to munch through unarmored in the psykarium

[junior needle]

So unarmored/flak will apply to the vast majority of targets you'll be hitting in melee, including bruisers which have higher health pools. Also, crit/headshot damage are calculated very weirdly in this game and only apply to the bonus damage of the crit/headshot and not the total hit.

So if you hit for 100 normally and crit for 110, your crit damage boost only applies to 10 damage.

[dapper delta]

How do you get that?

[wind spoke]

Well then, I had no clue that's how crit damage works, thanks for the info! Sounds bad and makes sense then, appreciate the info/explanation.

[sharp ember]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-vanguard-pc-bundle/86360 for all pc players who played before Nov 17

decided to change my helmet to the penance gas mask

[junior needle]

No problem, there's a ton of nonsensical/wonky mechanics in the game, and some tooltips are outright wrong about what they do. Also as another guy mentioned, you'd ideally want a higher damage stat.

Damage is your base damage, penetration is a % of base to certain armor types, and finesse governs both crit/weakspot damage and importantly attack speed on melee weapons. Shredder only affects the weapon special on chainsword and I'd consider it less important.

[dapper delta]

FUCK I JUST GOT DARKTIDE ON NOV 20TH FOR PC

[wind spoke]

Gotcha. I figured the rolls themselves matter quite a bit, this is just a temporary weapon to test out chainsword/those blessings a bit and tinker around with a different build. Still learning a lot, not going too hard on investing in good gear until I actually know what's good and what I'm doing lol.

[junior needle]

You could swap crit > flak and bloodletter to rampage for the best horde clear

You might need to heavy attack to proc savage sweep and rampage initially though, afterwards your lights should probably do it fine.

That is assuming you aren't just spamming heavies, in which case you don't need to worry about that.

[wind spoke]

Plan/idea is largely heavy spam for horde clear for the most part. I kinda like Bloodletter for the bonus single target damage to some specials (conceptually and in psykarium testing), munch 'em and then dodge to the next target if they're low enough for the bleed to finish them off.

[brisk sapphire]

Yea spamming lights is wonky with chain sword. Not ideal

[high steppe]

BLUE

[median belfry]

operating

[brisk sapphire]

Why'd they give everyone the vet penance mask. Lol I hate it

The psyker one especially

[midnight mortar]

The chainsword's ideal horde clear is spamming lights.

The l3 is what makes it work and the attack speed of lights is fast.

[junior needle]

Just keep in mind there will be a large loss of clear speed without rampage then. Contrary to its description it gives power and also more damage in a much higher amount than it seems. Power is also damage, cleave, and stagger at the same time.

[brisk sapphire]

Maybe this is why I don't like chain sword

[midnight mortar]

Not that the chainsword is the ideal or even necessarily good horde clear, but it can horde clear that way albeit slowly.

[frank ether]

you can always do the chainaxe block-bash-light-light combo

[fallow compass]

It was supposed to be based on the outfits the squad had in the original dark tide teaser from years ago

[wind spoke]

hmmm, gotcha. Only a rank 1 Rampage in my library right now, sadly. Will give it a try without it but will keep in mind to swap to for testing/comparison once I have time to play a few rounds.

[brisk sapphire]

Think I have a rampage IV/sweep IV chain sword and I just never use it

[serene bough]

i do savage sweep and bloodletter

idk if bleed after patch 13 still as potent

[wind spoke]

that's what I'm about to test!

[serene bough]

but i dont think rampage for csword is necessary

[midnight mortar]

I tried it for a time. It's not bad, but it's also not good.

[ocean idol]

What are the best las weapons?

[midnight mortar]

You crumple when more than two ragers show up.

[serene bough]

all lasweapons except recon are pretty good

[brisk sapphire]

Laspistol feels like the best las weapon lol

[ocean idol]

yeah, i am doing it right now

[midnight mortar]

The Kantrael MGs and Helbore mks are the current standouts.

[ocean idol]

holy shit it something

and i have mixed build

partially focused on melee

[midnight mortar]

Laspistol is also strong as usual.

[serene bough]

only gripe with pistol is its ammo capacity

[ocean idol]

12 is stupid if you can headshot too

But it surprisingly sucks ass against maulers

[serene bough]

Mg4 is my preference

[slow spade]

Its surprising how tough maulers are

Even my plasma takes 3 shots

[ocean idol]

well no

[slow spade]

I just melee them now

[ocean idol]

With laspistol i kill them in seconds

3 or 4 of them in 1 clip

[wind spoke]

ah, looks like carnival mission is now in the normal rotation and not available 24/7 at all difficulties. yay!

[serene bough]

yeah for some reason the laspistol shreds through maulers

[ocean idol]

it has higher damage against flak than unarmoed

[slow spade]

Laspistol hates flak UwU

[midnight mortar]

*mag

[slow spade]

Clipazine

[serene bough]

laspistol is decent against flak

or rather

it crits so often that you'll probably rip through flak anyways

[junior needle]

All the infantry lasguns blow against flak, it’s a line wide weakness

[rancid cloud]

FOR ATOMA:D

[tall torrent]

Just tried the mg4
Got costed by 2 psykers + 1 vet (he ran triple wound curios lol) who can’t melee for their lives
Liking mg4 a lot better than the other 2 lasguns though

[junior needle]

It feels better to use with the higher fire rate

1a has slightly more dps I think, crab said it was about 50~

But not a big difference

[tall torrent]

1a has a bit higher dps yea

But 4 has like double the sustained firepower

And I can actually move when shooting

I don’t mind worse shooter breakpoints because they move so much, headshots are pretty inconsistent anyways

[junior needle]

Oh? Why's that?

[tall torrent]

It uses 2 ammo per shot and has like 130~140 ammo between reloads

So I put out 60+ shots
Compared to 1a where it uses 3 per shot and I only get somewhere between 32-36

[junior needle]

Oh I see, but it does have less damage per shot to account for it. Does it math out to more damage per pack?

[pseudo oracle]

They need to bring back the crit chain for recon las. If shocktroop is gonna keep the cooldown that they don’t tell you about then the nerf from 5 crits to 2 is overkill

[tall torrent]

I think it’s 1 extra shot for a lot of enemies? I think? Which ends up killing more stuff between reloads

MG1a max ammo is 108
MG4 max ammo is 140

[ocean idol]

... IT HAS HIGHER DAMAGE AGAINST FLAK THAN AGAINST UNARMORED FFS

What about hellbore

Is it good now?

[tall torrent]

Depends on what you’re shooting at though

[serene bough]

why are you yelling

[dark flower]

always has been

[serene bough]

dont forget MG4 shoots 2 rounds per shot and MG1a 3 rounds per shot

[tall torrent]

Yea so MG1A gets 36 shots per reload
MG4 gets 70
That’s almost double

[junior needle]

The changes were supposedly going to be part of a larger rebalancing to make them better baseline and not entirely reliant on talents, although only the nerf parts got shipped and none of the actual buffs. At least according to crab.

He couldn't tell us what exactly the changes were because NDA. Just that we might possible be able to expect a proper pass down the line.

[serene bough]

with my build mg1a and mg4 hit the same breakpoints if you land headshots on specialists

so extra ammo and faster RoF is justbetter

[tall torrent]

If you put shock trooper in (I can’t afford the points to run it)
1a might get closer in sustained fire

[tall torrent]

4 also feels like it has a chance against gunner spam

[ocean idol]

Which one though

[dark flower]

all 3

pick your poison

[serene bough]

it definitely lets you lay down a far larger quantity of lasfire

[junior needle]

Very curious about what tree you're running, I find going in for shock trooper/suppression immunity/the now conveniently placed more ammo to be very justifiable points wise.

[tall torrent]

You put more shots down stream faster
You have crazy high gun uptime
You can actually move decently fast when ads

[serene bough]

sometimes if the enemy is overwhelming ill just spray into a crowd

[ocean idol]

What is difference between them?

[tall torrent]

I’m running this

[ocean idol]

And recommended blessings, aside from onslaught?

Surgical?

[serene bough]

where do you guys go to make these nice skill tree screenshots

[sharp ember]

mk2 fast
mk1 medium
mk3 heavy

entirely up to your favorite flavor

[tall torrent]

I decided to swap from 1a to 4 because 1a wasn’t putting enough shots down for me (I need a better ammo roll), and 4 has much higher ads move speed

[sharp ember]

mk3 has a slow bayonet swing instead of a fast stab* though

but damn does it punch a hole through crushers with charge shots

[tall torrent]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[junior needle]

That's it, those are the good blessings. They differ in charge rate/fire rate/damage/ammo usage. 3 is more like a plasma gun, 2 is more like an infantry las.

[serene bough]

thnx

this is what i use for my mg4

[stiff pasture]

Can we please have more vet points? Or at least a less fucked up tree?

[tiny summit]

I've been liking my marksman focus with the mg4

[serene bough]

cant justify reaching the keystone

rather pick up utiltiy perks

[tiny summit]

Yea problem with keystones is they are an asterisk to a tree that felt pretty complete prior

[stiff pasture]

Exactly, and even then with that there’s so much stuff in between

[tiny summit]

"Vet doesn't have keystones? K."

[serene bough]

i still dont really think middle and left keystones are better than just taking flat buffs across the tree

[tiny summit]

Yea well I been running without the ammo aura with infiltrate/smokes. The gunner spam in that first defend in Carnival made me appreciate that side more

[karmic musk]

I stopped taking Keystones on my Helbore build cuz of the point tax

[mystic belfry]

Middle keystone is very potent

Because of target down mainly

[tiny summit]

I have 2-3 builds without any keystones. I like em to an extent but they feel tacked on

[serene bough]

you can make an argument for the middle keystone, i still think its too expensive

just my opinion

[mystic belfry]

Just depends on what you’re doing

[serene bough]

its definitely useful when someone brings it though i will say

however, leftmost keystone i cant justify

[karmic musk]

Inb4 they bind pinging to left click

Thats the real Vet griefing strat

[tiny summit]

Left keystone works. There's plenty of times to sit still and get stacks and can feel the dmg difference on some of my weapons. But I also don't lose out on much not taking it and putting the points elsewhere. Ty for 1% reload speed per stack for a max of 15% at max stacks standing still when you can get a 30% flat reload speed buff on elite kill from the 2nd node on the left tree

[midnight mortar]

Pretty much.

None of them are incentivized enough to be worth taking over more general benefit talents higher up the tree.

Especially with all the tax nodes.

[tiny summit]

The scalings are whack for tacked on keystones with the tree that was present. No talents were removed or combined. Only additional stuff down the tree.

[dry sandal]

the XII i've run for the longest time has been deadly/opening but headhunter/deadly definitely seems like it could be nice. Not sure what to swap around for the last change

[slender crown]

do i need brutal momentum to make combat axes feel good

bc thats what its lookin like

[charred scarab]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/164 ?

[junior needle]

Sick, thanks

[karmic musk]

I mean yeah, unless you like having no cleave

[fresh mango]

pants blow but the rebreather is neat

[slender crown]

i do not

it was the whole thing that turned me off from them in the beta and release

[ocean idol]

Which hellbore you people prefer

[stray storm]

Anyone have a good lasgun talent tree build?

[brisk sapphire]

They feel uninspired as well. Weapon specialist is just dual action BH talent from vt2, and the tag one is just the WHC passive

[jolly cave]

On a lasgun XII, does Deadly Accurate actually help you get any breakpoints that a normal weakpoint crit wouldn't? Always seemed like overkill since a weakpoint shot kills most non-carapace enemies and a crit weakpoint shot kills everything besides crusher and mauler.

[astral blade]

So I don’t understand something why is it that bombers and flamers don’t damage the enemy?

But they damage us

[white minnow]

they do, but the damage inflicted is fairly minimal

[brisk sapphire]

Wanna say they take a tiny amount of DOT but I don't run the health bar mod so can't say for certain

Yea

[white minnow]

bomber nades friendly fire is noticeable if it's a choke point and trash mobs are funneling through

[astral blade]

I run the health bar mod and it doesn’t damage them

[white minnow]

beyond that, eh

bombers and flamers have immunity to ground fire put in by other specialists

the other enemies, or at least most of them, dont

[karmic musk]

they kinda dont do enough damage to utterly block the trash from going through and attacking you

[astral blade]

Just personal opinion the fox flammers, flammers and bombers fire should damage their allies

[white minnow]

yeah it's no auto clear like an l4d2 molly, but it is what it is

[astral blade]

Fairly sure every darktide player should agree with that

[ocean idol]

Which hellbore you people prefer

Faster one feels ass

so for me it is choice between medium and heavy

[midnight mortar]

I prefer the mk2.

Mk3 has input buffer bug issues that make chaining different shots impossible.

Mk2 has a nice fast fire rate, 1 tap headshot uncharged on shooters, less than full charge 1 tap headshot on gunners, and a strong bayonet profile.

[tiny summit]

They should. If we're gonna have clown car spawns that create clustfucks we should see some heretic on heretic clown shit.

[tiny summit]

Mk1. Has higher damage than Mk2 and has the bayonet stab. Mk3 can go in the trash with its slower fire and bayonet slash

[ocean idol]

do you really need bayonet a lot?

But Mk3 can quickly kill even crushers

plus, it gets most benefit from onslaught

[midnight mortar]

Two words, staggers ragers.

I rarely ever need to pull out my psword.

[ocean idol]

Most melee weapons can do that

[midnight mortar]

Have you seen how fast the bayonet stab is?

I don't need to energize, swap a weapon, or any other delays.

The value of not needing to swap off the Helbore is a major perk.

[junior needle]

The bugged bayonet actually puts out insane damage with the appropriate melee weapon blessings

[astral blade]

question do you guys think that there will be a darktide 2?

[midnight mortar]

But the bayonet's speed combined with high finesse bonuses and stagger means you can use it as a mainline melee.

And that's before talent interactions and blessings like limbsplitter/bm.

[midnight mortar]

I hope not.

[astral blade]

why not?

[junior needle]

Depends on how good they can make darktide 1

[south garnet]

Still waiting on darktide 1

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark's track record is poor. I was there for VT2's launch as well as DT.

[astral blade]

i mean if they dont completely fuck up the current darktide than i hope we can transfer our reject to darktide 2

[midnight mortar]

They're great at repeating mistakes they already made.

[midnight mortar]

In today's game design philosophy and MTX market? They'll never allow that.

[junior needle]

To them it's not a mistake, just a natural part of the development process.

That's why nothing has been done about it.

[midnight mortar]

New game: i forgor

[south garnet]

Whatever things end up happening, this won't be one of them

[eternal sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/250356056855674880/1175768919714308217/SmartSelect_20231119_060539.gif?ex=656c6f23&is=6559fa23&hm=a2928a5c0fbf55e23e871b05580cb3e9d94bacd13feab941d9527d5735e05393&

[astral blade]

a man can only hope

[south garnet]

[tiny summit]

Bayonet does work, staggers ragers, kills mutants in 3 or less stabs

And length?

[south garnet]

Forget length, What's the girth on your bayo

[astral blade]

i know our reject is expendable but still those dont wanna lose them to bad story telling or an off screen death

[untold mulch]

I am tempted to run +6 stam in my laspistol ngl

[untold mulch]

Imo just leave it open to interpretation

[tall torrent]

No

[untold mulch]

You died after a poxwalker too many spawned on your back and cracked your skull

[junior needle]

In the imperium, everyone but the emperor is expendable.

[untold mulch]

or

[eternal sable]

no dt 2

[untold mulch]

your mf is still around

[eternal sable]

but this games gonna have like 10 dlcs eventually

[untold mulch]

I wouldn't call Primarchs expendable

[tall torrent]

If u wanna be lore accurate
Our rejects are gonna face some shiny space marines when we finally liberate atoma prime

[untold mulch]

Nah GK no longer go so hard

The galaxy is split in half

no way to hide chaos reliably

[junior needle]

This is true, but they’re more expendable than the emperor. Remember the 2 forgotten primarchs?

[willow badger]

Do grey knights still blam everyone in canon lore

[shell ginkgo]

Most of the time, they did

Since if the GK were on the field shit has gone so incredibly south it wasn't funny.

[atomic zephyr]

no, what primarchs? theres only 18 and its always been that way

:)

[devout atlas]

other than fully upgrading decimator, what perk should i replace carapace with?

other than maniac because i will likely use my gun for that

[junior needle]

There's unarmored for more clear

[devout atlas]

ye was thinking that thamks

[junior needle]

[south garnet]

I don't think that's a shovel at all

Prove it and dig a hole

Anyway, maniac

But since no maniac, unarmored

[raw steppe]

i'm pretty sure they do

you can use bomber fire to clear trash iirc

[untold mulch]

🤔

[astral blade]

[junior needle]

There's a hierarchy of expendability, which goes Emperor>>>>Primarchs>>>>>Titan warmachines>>>>>Mortal servants

Not all encompassing but that's about how it goes

[mint roost]

Quick question: I just got Deathspitter IV, which of the blessings should I (if at all) replace?

Or which other blessing would you take?

[ruby fulcrum]

Both are good but dumdum is THE blessing for infantry autos

[mint roost]

Then I'll exchange Stripped for Deathspitter, thanks!

[solar bone]

@raw steppe did you ever find out if uh, mobility effects walking speed?

[raw steppe]

dont think so lol

you can easily test

by taking a knife and a flamer

and walking while spamming q

[solar bone]

eh it would have probaby been a smol thing

least you know

[ebon umbra]

anyone have a clip of the slowest sprint speed in the game for vet?

like a 1% mobility weapon

i got a 1% dclaw and it is like i am walking while sprinting with no stamina

[frank ether]

helbores are pretty slow

esp in ads

[solar bone]

Meh. I dont like helbores. I just dont see why I would use one when plasma exists. I think that is obviously preference but thats my take.

[untold mulch]

No ammo concern

[devout atlas]

maniac overrated as hell on melee

especially on vet

[solar bone]

I think PS6 with power cycler kills a mutie in two heavys reguardless of maniac or not.

[proven radish]

dodge distance and speed are weapon bounded i guess even if you max mobility on both a knife and another eapon you will never have the dodge distance and the speed of the knife

[devout atlas]

only melee i always want maniac on is devil claw 4 because a crit heavy 1 headshot consistently kills muties

[young sequoia]

wb push attack

[solar bone]

Does push do it in one?

[tardy raft]

That already exist unless you haven't seen it already yourself somehow lol

[serene sage]

man the seasonal depression is hitting me like a truck, what do

[young sequoia]

not sure, but it might. does a ton of damage

[devout atlas]

buy hamburger

[robust mirage]

Gentlemen, i present you
EGG

[serene sage]

🤔

[solar bone]

Ive never botherd as much, I just pull the sword, charge it at the right time. Load the heavy so to speak, dodge and let her rip.

[ember coyote]

Sorry to interrupt any conversation but what is the consensus on the best rifle for Veteran? Is it the Fhamas?

[solar bone]

chop chop

[young sequoia]

munitoriuns finest chickens laying those eggs

[devout atlas]

the what

[cyan arrow]

best perks/blessings for chainswords?

[untold mulch]

The Recon is trash

literally probably the worst gun of Vet?

[ebon umbra]

play carnival

[robust mirage]

i like shred and bloodletter

[serene sage]

there isn't a concensus. though most people would say Plasma, Revolver with Columnus, Helbore, Infrantry Las following closely

[cyan arrow]

and perks?

[ember coyote]

Famas

[robust mirage]

the usual flak and maniac

[untold mulch]

Revolver with columnus

I want that combi gun

[serene sage]

No, It's really bad this patch.

[solar bone]

They need to give it a better crit damage profile vs flak

[ember coyote]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[devout atlas]

the recons are shit

[serene sage]

Also the bullpup las is called Recon

[solar bone]

like laspistol

[untold mulch]

I mean one has only been good 1 patch out of 14-15

[serene sage]

I wish I can say that with confidence

[robust mirage]

but that is just my personal preference, shred is nice for left click spam and bloodletter is for when you rev and saw something big 😄

[devout atlas]

been enjoying exec stance agripinaa iag a lot. low drain on stamina using deadshot and can kill anything including crushers pretty well.

[cyan arrow]

rolled shred and cleave lol

[ember coyote]

Wait so the automatic las rifle with no recoil is B A D?

Bruh how

[serene sage]

low damage while taking too much ammo

[ebon umbra]

procs arent as strong as it used to be 4 it and surprisingly the ammo

[devout atlas]

hilariously bad DPS because its been nerfed multiple times even though it wasn't really strong in the first place

[robust mirage]

low dmg/dps terrible ammo

[devout atlas]

with ass ammo economy

no cleave

[zinc osprey]

dps too low, ammo cost too high.

[nimble sentinel]

no damage, ammo sink, broken crits

[ebon umbra]

no cleave?

[untold mulch]

Ammo is used too fast

Damage is shit

[ebon umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[ember coyote]

Okay I get it 🤣

[untold mulch]

Only the VIIa has any cleave

[devout atlas]

even then barely

[untold mulch]

I think

[devout atlas]

compared to iags

[untold mulch]

yep

[devout atlas]

iags can dump 1/3 of a mag into a horde and delete it

recons 💀

[ember coyote]

Looking over what I can get I am struggling to find a gun I like

[devout atlas]

1/3 of their ammo supply maybe

😭

[untold mulch]

In my case, I really liked using them for the patch VId was good

21 days of glory

[ember coyote]

Im only lvl 11 with my Vet rn 😔

[robust mirage]

if you want to fire fast take kantrael IV and the weapon specialist kill some guys in melle swap out to ranged for increased fire rate, proceed to get carpertunnel

[serene sage]

it's okay, I will summon the magical recon psyker

[zinc osprey]

you want something to spray with, grab a braced autogun or columnus

[untold mulch]

IT WAS MURDERED

[grim widget]

what blessings?

[untold mulch]

RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME

[quick burrow]

just play the mk5 column its not so bad once uget used to the initial trigger pull

[untold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[serene sage]

yeah but did you know the recon is bad though

[zinc osprey]

seems fine as is, just buff flak damage.

[robust mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-gif-10174413

[devout atlas]

Ah. Well you can't go wrong with any of the infantry autoguns. They're all good in different ways. Big fan of the Agripinaa Mk1 for its reliability and surprisingly high armor damage.

[serene sage]

you can't possibly choose a worse timing

[ember coyote]

Too much inaccuracy for long ranged engagements

[wintry raptor]

which one worth upgrading further?

[raw steppe]

frankly you got a really nut roll; but the weapon just kinda sucks ass baseline sadly

[devout atlas]

Then headhunters or lasguns

Ia is okay

[untold mulch]

Yeah, better to save it

[devout atlas]

also skill issue

[ember coyote]

Plz pm me which one that is I am new to Darktide 😫

[zinc osprey]

You want to do long range damage?

[grim widget]

nice

[raw steppe]

left-

[junior needle]

Headhunter definitely, then either the bugged dumdum or infernus (infernus stacks onslaught and gives more damage on tankier targets but is practically worthless against soft targets). I also recommend the 5% crit perk.

But I also don't recommend using recons atm because they're big shit.

[cyan arrow]

is powercycler still uberrare to get?

[ember coyote]

I aim for long range and accuracy ye

[devout atlas]

Agripinaa Mk1 is my fav. Just bear in mind they might feel inaccurate rn because you're level 11. As you level you'll get better gear maxing out at 30. You want a high stability stat for low recoil.

[robust mirage]

this is my go to lasrifle, i can just spam it to clear waves from range or take some time to tap heads and still kill shooter in 1 headshot and gunners in 2-3

[zinc osprey]

you want a semi-auto lasgun or autogun.

[zinc osprey]

this is a good example

[ember coyote]

Can't remember which one it was but one of the las rifles seemed pretty gud

[zinc osprey]

that stability is super low

[cyan arrow]

which blessing to reroll?

[raw steppe]

If you are new to the game and still leveling, some weapons that will feel good while leveling are:

1. Bolter
2. Kantrael Mk12
3. Agri Braced Autogun

[serene sage]

I can whole heartedly endorse the Vraks variety, especially the Mk VII variant.

[devout atlas]

Whenever I see people saying "my lasgun clears waves from range" I wonder if they play on Heresy or Malice

[zinc osprey]

between the eyes

[zinc osprey]

My lasgun clears half a wave in damnation.

[devout atlas]

Which one?

[junior needle]

Both

[zinc osprey]

It's bad wave clear, but it can do it

[ebon umbra]

i watch the psyker and that clears half the wave

🫡

[devout atlas]

HAHA okay now I believe you :P

[zinc osprey]

Kantreal... 12?

[cyan arrow]

I can do one

[zinc osprey]

the fastest semiauto

[devout atlas]

Oh that one is fun with the FullAuto mod

actually my fav rn

[ebon umbra]

oh god i need to try that

[zinc osprey]

Meowgryn is a gamer of culture

[ebon umbra]

my finger couldnt handle the clicky for over 20 minutes

[robust mirage]

i play on diff 3 cuz i'm bad

[zinc osprey]

you need the full auto mod

[devout atlas]

I forgot laspistol wasn't full auto 😭

[devout atlas]

Oh god 💀 sorry for calling you out like that

[zinc osprey]

for your own safety lol

[ember coyote]

Ima start up the gaem and check it out, this chat is moving a little fast so ima also pm you if you don't mind

[nimble sentinel]

auric damnation, muthafuckaaaaaaaaa

[junior needle]

Neither are good for that. If you're taking suppression immunity in the tree (which I recommend for semo autos) then between the eyes is literally worthless. If you aren't going big critfishing then infernus will be figuratively worthless for you.

[untold mulch]

FullAuto mod is a quality of life upgrade

[robust mirage]

lol it's fine i dont even care xD i can play diff 4 at most but i'm realy not that goodd xD

[devout atlas]

Haha well if you ever wanna do damnation+ I'll happily carry you

[ebon umbra]

the most wholesome vet chat has ever been

[cyan arrow]

yea its kinda just the thing I've been running because I dont really have any other good ones

[serene sage]

pshhhh casuals

[robust mirage]

thats nice of you but i got all i need/want out of the game in diff 3 ne need to increase it and get frustrated

[devout atlas]

Haha I'm the opposite, Malice annoys me because I start falling asleep

[ebon umbra]

i love malice im gonna be real. im leveling up friends right now i literally just walk everywhere and admire the map and just parry

[frank ether]

real difficulty of malice is the teammate shooting a barrel to send you off the map

[untold mulch]

Same tbh

[devout atlas]

When I play with my noob friends on Malice I purposefully run the most gimped builds so I don't steal the spotlight 😭

[untold mulch]

I go into autopilot in malice

[frank ether]

sooo. recon chainaxe?

[nimble sentinel]

you guys still play malice?

[devout atlas]

Nah, power maul rumbler

[serene sage]

I speedrun Malice so I can get the 50 mission insignas

[ebon umbra]

i started doing this one of my friends complained i killed everything and i felt so bad. 😿

[cyan arrow]

so uhh
I never really used the re-bless feature before
how does salvaging blessings from weapons work and can I take a blessing from a different model of lasgun and put it on my kantreal?

[frank ether]

better than chaxe probably

[devout atlas]

I feel the same lol

[nimble sentinel]

you guys still need the insignias?

[devout atlas]

10x more fun

still bad

[junior needle]

There's the onslaught/deadshot/ghost/infernus thing I've been testing on the mg4 for a supreme lazyman bodyshot playstyle, but that has very dubious value on the k12. How much do you realistically headshot? If not much, keep infernus and go for a critfishing setup. Between the eyes could save you one point in the tree I guess.

[untold mulch]

To level up my other classes

[devout atlas]

but chaxe isn't fun

chaxe is like putting your ass in a blender

[untold mulch]

at level 20 I jump to Heresy

[frank ether]

chaxe just needs a rework

[devout atlas]

power maul does no damage but it stunlocks everything so my noob friends can kill them :P

[serene sage]

I only play Vet

:<

[nimble sentinel]

real

[frank ether]

single target light attack rev with a camera lock is a silly concept

and it doesnt work

[ebon umbra]

play No More Room in Hell

[cyan arrow]

i'll probably reroll between the eyes
mostly using the rightward tree so ig I do do a bit of critfishing, but I dont actively aim for it since I mostly kill things I need to (shooters/gunners) in 1 or a couple hits

[nimble sentinel]

anywho horde shooting with a lasgun DOES work in Auric Damnation albeit it takes a LOT of work to make it work

[tall torrent]

I like the new vanguard set tbh

[lean light]

If I play heresy what if I'm bad and everyone hates me

[untold mulch]

If it weren't so blue

[devout atlas]

I imagine the fastest firing lasgun could probably do alright

I just can't use it over agripinaa, my beloved

[nimble sentinel]

yarp

[cyan arrow]

I'd run it but I dont wanna ditch my totally legit make every shot count

[lean light]

Kantrael my beloved

[devout atlas]

space AK, my beloved

[nimble sentinel]

Agri my beloved ❤️

[lean light]

Ah, you also didn't cheese it

[devout atlas]

I'm gonna rob your house

[lean light]

And you definitely didn't get stuck in the loading screen for an entire mission

And got it

[cyan arrow]

yep

[lean light]

I'd never do that personally

[tall torrent]

What’s ur mg4 lasgun build

[junior needle]

Infernus stacks onslaught, so if you have that then it can help alleviate the infantry lasguns naturally shit flak damage. Also shock trooper makes critfishing much more lucrative on lasguns.

[cyan arrow]

took days of trying but we got there

[nimble sentinel]

good luck I'll dome you and 37 other pedestrians before you get close enough to smell

with this las gun

[lean light]

Still proud of getting the "Take no melee damage" penance legit

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

[devout atlas]

I got it by accident 😭

[cyan arrow]

sameee
I'm just really good at dodging bro

my schizo senses kick in

[midnight mortar]

I remember earning that penance without even trying.

[frank ether]

still kinda icky

[midnight mortar]

Was fun.

[untold mulch]

I got it into a Heresy match

[nimble sentinel]

I'm a bit bummed nobody ever got the barbie movie reference in the title of my build but it has served me remarkably well

[untold mulch]

just playing support

[tall torrent]

Ah ok
I am trying to run combat axe (needs some melee dmg nodes) but still want suppression immunity

[nimble sentinel]

csword is still great but I've been running shovel more often lately

[devout atlas]

shovel is my goto, i like csword on infil builds because you can get away with the shred more

[junior needle]

You can get very good ammo efficiency with the ammo bag talent and max critfishing on infantry las

Was surprised by how good it was even on fast firing models

[nimble sentinel]

you can make it work albeit without a keystone, take points out of the middle tree and move em right. Try to keep Iron Will and never get rid of Tactical Awareness

[devout atlas]

that extra 25% ammo is wack. i went a whole maelstrom without picking up ammo killing damn near every shooter and 2/3 of the specials n most gunners elites with my agri iag

[cyan arrow]

so if I want to get a blessing for my xxi kantreal, can I only salvage from other xxi kantreals to get it?

[devout atlas]

but without it i would struggle

weird

[lean light]

You got within range of an enem5?

[devout atlas]

i guess its just cus it increases the ammo regen from scavnger

[lean light]

My brother in Emperor, sit in a corner with camo and mag dump anything that walks close to you

[cyan arrow]

so true

[junior needle]

All ammo sources, since boxes are percentage based

[tall torrent]

I’m thinking of running this but this has no -0.25 stamina regen delay which makes melee kinda bad

[lean light]

Poxwalker? BRRRRRR
Crusher? BRRRRRRR

[devout atlas]

shovel. works with 0 stamina. just boink

[nimble sentinel]

Shock Trooper is great, for a bit more melee I can go a whole game without taking a single ammo pick up

[lean light]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-jontron-kill-ak47-smens-gif-15993274

[devout atlas]

oh i meant this on my space AK

[tall torrent]

Shovel doesn’t kill crushers or maulers fast enough

[devout atlas]

try harder

shovel harder

shovel issue

[untold mulch]

I get like double ammo for my laspistol

[robust mirage]

ok i have ben playing around with the bayonet on the hellbore in the training arena now i'm sad i can't slap one on my fav kantrael 😦

[untold mulch]

Ammo box gives 70 ammo?

you mean 140 right? this crits

[tall torrent]

It’s hard to compare shovel ttk on crushers & maulers versus combat axe 4 overhead

[nimble sentinel]

yeh this looks good, I like having other boons on tagging tho

[devout atlas]

the difference is against 4 crushers a caxe4 will lose more often

shovel insta stun special fucks

[ember coyote]

@devout atlas how do you use this gun you suggested for long range?

[nimble sentinel]

we are veterans! You know what we do when faced with insurmountable odds?

We scream and run the frag away!

I luv VoC

[lean light]

It is my pleasure to announce that I need more bullets, bigger weapons.

Cadia would have stood if I had more bullets

[tall torrent]

Ik, shovel still takes far too long to kill them

[devout atlas]

the agri iag works on any build but i like it with exec stance, i go left for deadshot and ammo, right just for duck and dive and middle until rend, picking up demo team instead of the ammo regen talent which isn't ideal but good enough.

[nimble sentinel]

have you considered

[tall torrent]

Krak is eh
Not a big fan

[devout atlas]

1-2 stam curios

krak is alr but im a shredder lover

[nimble sentinel]

not to roast you, but at that point you really oughtta bring a carapace piercing gun

[ember coyote]

🫤 idk what half of that is but thank you

[robust mirage]

no i don't have a problem

[ember coyote]

Ima be back, errands to run but thanks for the help guys

[tall torrent]

I’ve been doing fine with combat axe against mauler and crusher spam

[astral blade]

how did i do?

[nimble sentinel]

fair nuff, I'm not a fan of the caxe myself but if it works then it works

[lean light]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-warhammer40000-chainsaw-trumpet-gif-18105749

The only weapon I've used so far is the power sword

Am I stupid?

[devout atlas]

imma just show you the build ig, although it's not very beginner friendly because it relies on you being able to dodge dance around hordes while beaming everything highlighted

[nimble sentinel]

Yes.

[serene sage]

you took damage so automatically bad /s

[nimble sentinel]

[lean light]

This is why I don't play heresy see

I'm being stupid

[fallow compass]

Heresy

[tall torrent]

Frags are better in the majority of situations

[astral blade]

enough with the stupid sarcasm

[tall torrent]

And krak takes 1 extra travel node to get to survivalist

[nimble sentinel]

power sword is the wish.com of lightsabers and I'm not afraid of calling it trash

[tall torrent]

So I just don’t use it

[astral blade]

give me a serious opinion

[nimble sentinel]

(my opinions are heavily biased, if it works for you then das gud brosef)

[ember coyote]

Im not good at dodge dancing

But thank you

[devout atlas]

Then I'd recommend a Voice of Command build

[serene sage]

what difficulty is this?

[ember coyote]

I'll look into it

[forest blaze]

I like the free cosmetics but I'd love to get some free aquilas ferda

[astral blade]

auric damnation

[serene sage]

though you beat a Kickback Ogryn so I say pretty good

[serene sage]

this is half way through right?

[devout atlas]

Something like this is alright for Agri Iag, swap things around how you see fit

It really shines with exec tho

[astral blade]

yes it was half way mark those we died

[nimble sentinel]

what are y'all's thoughts?

[devout atlas]

I don't usually think, sorry

[nimble sentinel]

valid

I'm thinking elites for carapace

[serene sage]

pretty good then. like I said, beating Kickback Ogryn this patch is a good indicator

[devout atlas]

weak spot damage is a lot worse than it sounds

[serene sage]

idk what else you want us to critique if there is no gameplay vid

[devout atlas]

I'd keep elite and change weak spot for cara

[serene sage]

im thinking about what for dinner tonight and if I ever be happy

what is happiness anyway

[devout atlas]

ha-penis

[serene sage]

will the bolter be buffed next patch?

[devout atlas]

hahha

[ebon umbra]

i believe in u

[ebon umbra]

nvm

[serene sage]

[nimble sentinel]

in no particular order, yes you will be happy and you will do so with a fine homecooked meal

[astral blade]

my dumbass got blown off the edge by a fragging pox walker cause the zealot decided to shoot the pox walker

[devout atlas]

boltgun works fine on zealot tbh but its mid on vet

[nimble sentinel]

I hope you're ready for a wall of text cause I'm in the mood to share you my pandemic-learned cooking

[serene sage]

:penisive:

I mean 😔

[serene sage]

only if it's involving eggs

is egg chat coming back?

[astral blade]

bad way to die via a pox walker explosion that a teammate killed and getting sent flying off the map

[ebon umbra]

how do i get the grenade inspect animation where the pin is twirling around my finger ?

[frank ether]

the funny thing about %25 extra ammo is it increases survivalist returns I think

[ebon umbra]

that shit was crazy

[serene sage]

more and more I just start shooting poxbusters tbh

[devout atlas]

yea, main benefit to it imho

[serene sage]

ammo box return as well

[devout atlas]

yuh

[frank ether]

survivalist design is a little goofy

[serene sage]

you get 12 normally on Bolter but 15 if Fully Loaded.

[devout atlas]

survivalist should probly be deleted yuh

[frank ether]

should have been a flat value for each gun type

or just delete it

delete survivalist

[devout atlas]

imma eat cereal gang

at 11pm

[frank ether]

give vet a talent if they need

[devout atlas]

would be cute if vet got ammo back from melee killing shotgunners and gunners

[serene sage]

make demo team the aura but for the whole team
survivalist now gives ammo on a timer but as a talent and only counts for you

[ebon umbra]

give us ammo efficiency for ourselves. the age of scavenger mooching is over.
the age of no ammunition has begun

[devout atlas]

oh god no demoteam is already too good

i love demoteam

hnghjh fuck yes getting 3 grenades back a minute because RNGesus loves me

[ember coyote]

Btw what I have in my inventory and what I am using rn:

[devout atlas]

damn bitch lower your gamma

[ebon umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[frank ether]

ideally you'd have a separate way of ammo sustain for each tree but oh well

[serene sage]

ammo back on headshots
ammo back on pinged targets
ammo back on melee

[frank ether]

and then there is shock trooper which I dont understand who thought was a good idea

[whole moon]

My zealot needs that as a weapon, melt the enemies of the Emperor with his unyielding LIGHT

[ember coyote]

No

[tall torrent]

What toughness value are u guys running now

[devout atlas]

thatd be cute for weapons specialist, uhh marksman could .... get old scavenger and the middle node could get a % of ammo back whenever someone other than them picks up ammo

Vet tax

😭

[serene sage]

when I touch my toe into fire, 0

[whole moon]

Normally two +17% w +4% on each

[frank ether]

marksman in general is such a nothing burger rn for most guns

[devout atlas]

marksman could use a little bit of a rework

I mean its fun for like

2 weapons

exactly two weapons

😭

a shotgun and a laspistol

[serene sage]

other wise 170 Toughness 216 Health

[devout atlas]

is marksman worth it on lasguns i dont rlly use lasguns

[serene sage]

I like it this way

[devout atlas]

i just like laspis

laspiss enjoyer

[frank ether]

The way it currently works could be retained in a modifier

[nimble sentinel]

What you need is simple

1. Onion + Ground beef, or pork, or chicken if available, or any other choice of meat
   1a) Spices! Salt + Pepper is okay but get crazy with it. Thyme, cayenne pepper, onion salts, garlic salts, whatever you have on hand
2. Locally grown vegetables, frozen will do but you want em small like corn or peas
3. Rice, white is nice, brown got dat flavour to it
4. #veteran-class message An egg
5. Oil, or butter
6. Sauce of choice, optional but delicious: Kicap Manis. It's a sweet malaysian soya sauce and it fucking SLAPS

Start with your rice. If you're not using instant, it's usually 2 parts water for 1 part rice. 1 cup of rice will be plenty, you might even want half a cup. WASH IT FIRST! AND DO IT IN COLD WATER!

Boil your water in a pot, salt it, once it hits boiling you want to bring the heat down to just warm. Rice in, lid, stir occasionally.

While that's simmering away, let's get a frying pan on medium heat. Start with the oil and the meat, stir it about until it starts to brown. This is when we get our veggies. If they're frozen, throw em in now. If not, wait for the meat to be cooked properly.

Now get that sauce in the meat. Tomato sauce is good, weird indian stuff is also real good, but the goat is that Kicap Manis. Get that shit in there and get it stirred in. You want it to mix in with the liquid that came out of the meat and keep it simmering until it begins to thicken into a proper sauce.

Check your rice as well! When you can scoop at the bottom and no water puddles (some water is okay) take it off the heat and in a bowl. When you do, immediately crack that egg in there and stir stir stir! The steam will cook the egg and add some oomph to the rice. Good shit.

Is the meat done? PERFECT! Pour that shit over the rice, make sure it's saucy to get in the rice and flavour that shit up. Stir if you want, eat with a spoon

[devout atlas]

marksman focus be so underwhelming then it absolutely fucks on lawbringer which is the last weapon it should fuck on tbh 😭

[serene sage]

My man

[pseudo oracle]

that seems exactly like fatshark to push an update with only nerfs to claim a rebalance because of talents. yah lets make the gun shit so its not reliant on talents

[nimble sentinel]

other choices that work real well: Replace rice with mashed potatoes, sauce with gravy

Over salad with balsamac vinegar

[frank ether]

funny thing is recon is so bad not even this keystone can elevate it to iag levels

if any weapon can sustain 15 stacks its recon

[spark helm]

It's not the end of the world if you don't take it but it only gets better taking it in my experience. I mostly play with lasguns and whatever solid horde focused melee I can get my hands on. You can flex easily between the left and middle trees for builds that work in higher level stuff.

[south garnet]

[nimble sentinel]

Basically you got 3 food types you wanna mix

1. Filler (rice, potatoes, lettuce, etc)
2. Protein (meat, tofu, whatever you fuck with)
3. Vitamins (vegetables, eat your greens your mom was right the whole time)

[serene sage]

No greens

Only meat

[devout atlas]

I forgot recon existed

[serene sage]

And maybe rice

[devout atlas]

for like

a good minute

😭

[nimble sentinel]

corn and carrots aren't green

no excuse

[spark helm]

Don't have access to some kind of vegetables?

[untold mulch]

Fatshark wishes too looks like

[frank ether]

so did fatshark dw

[devout atlas]

granola is vegetables

[spark helm]

A mixed bag isn't too bad. Green or not.

[devout atlas]

by how often they nerf it, seems the opposite actually

recon keeps them up at night

their boogeyman

[untold mulch]

Recon can kill a poxwalker in a mag

Emergency nerf now

[nimble sentinel]

rice keeps forever, you can freeze meat, spices last a while, and frozen veggies are okay

[pseudo oracle]

yah what sucks is now infernus kills most of the enemies before the ws so you cant stack easily so camo is needed imo

[frank ether]

fatshark show us on the doll where recon tickled you

[nimble sentinel]

I live in fucking ENGLAND and my cooking is GOATED

if I can do it so can you

[true bramble]

dammit

[ebon umbra]

they never recovered from recon infernus 😔

[devout atlas]

atp they should just leave recon with shit DPS but give it lore accurate ammo economy

[spark helm]

Can honestly just choose whatever cuisine you want to be more rounded in and go from there.

[nimble sentinel]

alright enough talking about cooking, time to play the game

[pseudo oracle]

i mean if they add the old crit chain to it it would absolutely fuck with marksman keystone

[spark helm]

I've been doing hella east Asian rice dishes since most of this shit is really easy for me to manage to make while still giving me whatever nutrition I can sustain with what I get access to.

[serene sage]

I haven't played the game in 2 days

[spark helm]

Unless you have some kind of dietary restrictions you can just stick with modifying those kinds of meals with very little need for the exact ingredienrs.

[serene sage]

Is it too late to get back into it?

[frank ether]

I had a pasta craze this month

[serene sage]

I don't like pasta

It's too starchy

[spark helm]

Save like, rice, maybe certain spices ans sauces for cooking and that's it

[nimble sentinel]

I had too much cheap pasta in the pandemic I actually gag a bit when presented with any noodle that isn't tortellini

[frank ether]

all about the sauce

[nimble sentinel]

trauma!

[pseudo oracle]

makes me sick to have to use the dogshit columnus recoil pattern because they massacred my brrt laser gun

[serene sage]

Okay do you know what is goated? Canned mackerels

That shit is king

[spark helm]

If you don't have a hard time with access, eggs just....are great.

[frank ether]

I guess it is starchy though

[serene sage]

Then don't bruh

[frank ether]

not the best diet food

[spark helm]

Can do damn near anything with them

[frank ether]

probably beats eating cheap bread

[serene sage]

Diet? I'm 150lbs =.=

[spark helm]

Well...bread is a bit fucked period depending on where you're from

[junior needle]

It supposedly wasn't going to be only nerfs, as crab was kinda scratching his head as to why it shipped that way. But leaving things in a shit state for a needlessly long time is definitely a normal for fatshark.

[spark helm]

If you're American uh.

[serene sage]

American breads are weird. Sometimes it's like very sweet

[spark helm]

You not really eating bread from America. More like a sugar roll that looks like bread

[serene sage]

And I'm talking sandwich bread

[spark helm]

Because there's a shitton of sugar in it

[serene sage]

Those are gross

Wonder why people are obese

[spark helm]

That's loaded but not complicated.

[pseudo oracle]

you think theyre gonna rework the tree so you dont have to spend 22 points to run marksman with volley

that build is so squishy because of the point taxes

[spark helm]

American food industrial practices on too of every thing else that's backwards with the country lends itself to its own little shitstorm

Patently cyclical with a rising scale of fuckery

[serene sage]

Just straight up amputate the following talents and we will be okay
Shocktrooper
Marksman
Born Leader
For the Emperor
Skirmisher
Close Quarter Killzone

And we will have a good tree with some ordering

[whole moon]

They worked out equal measures fat and sugar overrides our satiety senses.

[serene sage]

It's the corn industry

The entire Midwest is dedicated to growing corn

[frank ether]

not all fats are equal

[ebon umbra]

big corn killed the recon lasgun

[serene sage]

Big if true

[spark helm]

Not exclusively that but it's significantly contributing. No dysfunctional system by design has standalone points of harm.

[nimble sentinel]

real

[robust mirage]

sir mel likes to fk around it seems

amazing stats shit perks and blessings

and bad dmg

[serene sage]

64% damage?

[quick burrow]

i want a good mk4 i got a decent mg1a but i hear good things about the 4

[pseudo oracle]

i think if they move marksman emperor and close quarter to the ult abilitys it will be better

[nimble sentinel]

sorry mate no saving that one\

[spark helm]

Corn, meat (in particular beef), sugar, corporatist lobbying and advertised propaganda, government cooperation, labor suppression, etc, etc.

[frank ether]

MG4 is a bizarre gun

[robust mirage]

its not mine its for sale at melk xD

[serene sage]

Yeah at least remove those 3 and slightly buff the keystones, at the minimum

[frank ether]

it looks and shoots like a cqc gun but its configured like a low damage dmr

[nimble sentinel]

wonderful, then you get to save your milk bucks

[serene sage]

But I think 6 talents can go

And make for a much better tree

[pseudo oracle]

i mean tbh from those its still too taxing

[spark helm]

Fuck melk

Is he even someone that matters like that in a scrap? Dude is mad annoying.

[pseudo oracle]

they need to combine the toughness reduction and move some of the passives up the tree more

[serene sage]

Not really tbh, that's 2 nodes shorter for keystone

[spark helm]

They're all annoying for different reasons to me but melk, rannick and Zola can go fr.

The shithead with the wig too

Empire, really. Fuck em.

[serene sage]

The Emperor can go, too

[spark helm]

Chaos brothers too

[serene sage]

Stupid battery

[spark helm]

Dudes a clown

[cerulean void]

BRB

[pseudo oracle]

yah but id rather keep shocktroop than have a 5 and 10 percent toughness modifier, or reload speed

[cerulean void]

I was wondering what to do with my ground beef

and I have all those ingredients

[frank ether]

he favors certain personalities

[spark helm]

For the recipe posted?

[nimble sentinel]

pro tip: cook it as a big fat patty on both sides, wait for it to get brown and crispy, THEN shred it apart with a spatula

[serene sage]

We need the fillers or vets will be too strong. Take a look at other classes fillers, I think we are fine in term of fillers

It's the sheer number of talents

[spark helm]

Whoever else rubs his scrotum probably. Rat fuck nerd...

Actually hate him a lot

Lol

[hoary stratus]

what the fuck is going on in here

[nimble sentinel]

aight my ass gotta go to bed, bon appetit motherfraggers

[spark helm]

I'm talking shit about the npcs in game.

[pseudo oracle]

bruh its 17-18 points to a keystone on most classes with very few fillers

[spark helm]

Me no like imperium

[hoary stratus]

scrotums and cooking

[frank ether]

I'll see you tomorrow when part 2 is out and vet tree is now 120 points

[spark helm]

Well the cooking was just cooking

Scrotum comment was just me.

[nimble sentinel]

the logic is sound, cook the scrote

[spark helm]

Becuz I'm lit and don't like just about any of the npcs. Mazosi alright ig...

[serene sage]

I know, I can count, with 2 nodes fewer we would have 19 to keystones which is good

[spark helm]

Hadron can go in a microwave.

Magnet coil

[serene sage]

And a lot of vets talents are goated and you are not locked out of any of them

Unlike other classes

[pseudo oracle]

you cant run iron will and onslaught and marksman keystone

[serene sage]

We can't just let vets take everything and be like yeah balanced

[spark helm]

I think we should

100%

[serene sage]

Yeah that's what I would describe as an OP class

[pseudo oracle]

i mean ogryns have it

how

even with iron will you still get 1 frame death

[spark helm]

Ogryns are also operating on different plying field comparatively.

[zealous wyvern]

i appreciate it

[serene sage]

Only with overhead attacks, which by the way, can be negated with yellow toughness

[pseudo oracle]

that forces you to run shout tho

[spark helm]

Idk what else to tell you but uh...no amount of patches are going to change certain zero-sum scenarios

[pseudo oracle]

not everyone wants to run shout

[spark helm]

Ppl dont.

[serene sage]

Okay then run Stealth and dip

[spark helm]

Most just dodge overheads.

[serene sage]

Or dodge

[spark helm]

If they can.

[serene sage]

Or kill them

[spark helm]

Assuming all the other things that can go wrong, the overheads from mailers and crushers are incredibly easy to see even in clusterfucks.

[pseudo oracle]

cant dodge if theres no audio que and theres 15 mutants and poxbursters in my ear

[serene sage]

You can't just let a class have all of Determine, Marksman Focus, regen nade, Iron Will, Confirmed Kills, Tactical Awareness, Rending, Duck and Dive, Desperado

[white minnow]

well they should fix the audio stuff

[spark helm]

That's something that would naturally Trump that

[serene sage]

And be like yeah balanced

[white minnow]

instead of buffing classes to handle jank

[spark helm]

I hate that my phone punctuated that lol fuck me.

[serene sage]

Then that's not a class issue but an audio issue

Psykers can't escape that

[white minnow]

and ogryn shouldn't be used as the baseline to which you buff your class up to

[serene sage]

Zealots without Until Death would die too

[white minnow]

in no way shape or form

[spark helm]

Plus, there's not going to be an audio cue for an overhead beyond whatever noises they just make.

It's an attack that you'd just need experience with noticing since the ones that have it tend to stand out as massive threats

Mash ping in crowds until you highlight them

[pseudo oracle]

game literally spawns shit directly behind you now with no audio

[serene sage]

I think Vet power level right now is quite strong. It's just that there are not a lot of build variations

[spark helm]

Ik that but certain shit really not that deep

[serene sage]

Again, not a class balance issue.

[spark helm]

You're playing an ai director game

Like straight up

[serene sage]

I would agree that it is an issue

But not a VET issue

[spark helm]

I've noticed it for sure but u agree.

[zealous wyvern]

technically, people spawning behind you is more of a backline problem

so vet and psyker

[spark helm]

Idk what's messing with audio cue consistency lately but you should be on a soft swivel anyway

No matter what class

Assume there's something behind you

Like always, specially in pubs.

[serene sage]

I mean sure, kinda

[zealous wyvern]

kinda

all i mean

[serene sage]

Buy anyway, I'm trying to say that the filler nodes we have are fair

[white minnow]

well, as a Psyker main, I won't say no if you want to buff it of course :)

[serene sage]

We need to remove talents

Not fillers

[zealous wyvern]

yeah the problem is how long the tree is

[pseudo oracle]

game director heres 8 ragers and crushers and also three behind that are silent

[zealous wyvern]

some talents should just be one talent or be in the base game

[pseudo oracle]

swivel that

[zealous wyvern]

or part of the ultimates

[spark helm]

I do actually. Varying success. Mostly fine.

[white minnow]

well, like we said, audio issue

[serene sage]

Please have basic reading comprehension

[white minnow]

just fix the audio instead of buffing classes to handle a broken system

[serene sage]

Thanks

[zealous wyvern]

he is not talking to you

[serene sage]

Wdym he tagged me lmao

[zealous wyvern]

he is saying it is harder to not die to that stuff than kery is saying

kery said swivel

i assume he mispinged

[spark helm]

Was talking to my man scar about the spawn

I'm not going to tag reply every single thing in a dense discord like this

[zealous wyvern]

maybe i am too optimistic though

who knows

[spark helm]

I mean, you're right lol

[serene sage]

My fking god I'm done with this convo

[spark helm]

??

[zealous wyvern]

angry

[pseudo oracle]

lmao

[serene sage]

I'm not in charge of balance and neither are yall

[spark helm]

OK.:V

I know that

[zealous wyvern]

i thought you were agreeing

[spark helm]

I was

[serene sage]

What

[zealous wyvern]

yeah

[serene sage]

Is going on

[pseudo oracle]

lmao

[serene sage]

Who is who

[zealous wyvern]

you are just c onfused

[tall torrent]

Bald

[zealous wyvern]

its ok

shh

[spark helm]

I mistyped u for I or whatever

[zealous wyvern]

kill some heretics

[spark helm]

It's a discord reply storm

Shit gon get lost in translation

Like for free.

[serene sage]

Lost in Translation is a great movie

Excellent companion piece to Her

Would recommend

[tall torrent]

The other hairstyles don’t look that great with this gas mask

[spark helm]

I hate her. God...

That movie was