veteran-class

[serene bough]

or rather, does the damage increase rise to 20% if all players are in coherency

[stuck bridge]

No

[tall torrent]

it's only 5% damage

[serene bough]

ok just double checking, didn't think so

thank you

[karmic musk]

TIL there is a Camera Sway Intensity slider

[tall torrent]

everybody in your coherency gains +5% dmg

[last pewter]

yeah motion blur, view bob, screen shake, I disable all of that and then up FOV to around 110, and then, games can actually be playable

[karmic musk]

Alright its 0 now, accuracy improved by 50%

[indigo needle]

i think the game gave me this gun because of the krieg skin, coincidence? i think not

[fallen belfry]

do multiple ammo scavenger from multiple vets stack?

[stuck bridge]

No

[tall torrent]

no onslaught is a pretty big dps loss

[empty creek]

how sure R we AB this

[indigo needle]

i can improve this gun?

[tall torrent]

no

[stuck bridge]

Very

[empty creek]

fucked up

[fallen belfry]

ty

[empty creek]

no fun allowed

[tall torrent]

this is serviceable but for blessings u want onslaught + surgical

[midnight mortar]

How's that collapsed lung treating you?

[stuck bridge]

Best change they could make to hellbore is making them accurate when not ads

[indigo needle]

my lung is the chest pouch and its flat as hell so i don't know how i'm alive

[last pewter]

I mean it's a Mk1, you'd get less use out of Onslaught than you would on a Mk3

dunno if I'd be okay with No Respite on it though

[indigo needle]

i'm not a fan of the helbore tho, i gotta wait to kill a dood? on auric?

[tall torrent]

it's still a sizeable dps boost

[dreamy lantern]

did they draw any of the air out? or was it too small of a collapse for any intervention

[last pewter]

the great part is - for most enemies, you don't

just click on heads

[nimble sentinel]

M1 still benefits a lot from onslaught, it's the M2 that you can argue against it

[tall torrent]

it kills basically everything very effectively

[slow garden]

He means how long it takes to draw and ready, probably

Which is the only reason I dont use the helbore myself thus far

[tall torrent]

that's fine, bayonet is a good melee weapon

[last pewter]

fair 'nuff, I will admit I pretty much exclusively use the Mk3 out of all the Helbores

[stuck bridge]

bough this from melk

[last pewter]

only problem is it's Mk2

[indigo needle]

oh i never seen onslaught before

[slow garden]

Hhm, Bayonet a good melee? I must have to give it a better try then

[stuck bridge]

i thought people liked mk 2

[indigo needle]

i rarely use helbore

[last pewter]

most people use either Mk1 or Mk3

[indigo needle]

very satisfying

[tall torrent]

u need brutal momentum on your melee weapon

[slow garden]

Though I admit my initial sinking feeling goes 'oh god oh fuck but I cant block or power sword charge maniacs'

[empty creek]

it’s preference, a lot of people use the MK2

[tall torrent]

add limbsplitter if u want

[dreamy lantern]

M2 is still real good

it charges stupid fast

[last pewter]

I mean hey, go crazy with it, don't let me shit on a gun lol

[dreamy lantern]

onslaught makes it even more so

[last pewter]

I've always been big on using a weapon out of preference than out of meta

[stuck bridge]

what perks best for heallbore

[empty creek]

the mk2 w/ onslaught is godsend

[indigo needle]

what about mk1?

[whole moon]

Mk2 feels almost like an MG XII w Autofire

[empty creek]

same deal, different sauce

slightly slower, slightly more powerful

[stuck bridge]

autofire?

[last pewter]

Surgical Onslaught, aka the ones you got lol

[empty creek]

mod

[stuck bridge]

perks though

[last pewter]

ah oops

[indigo needle]

i think thats up to you

[slow spade]

Stamina and unarmored 💪💪💪

[midnight mortar]

I see mk2s the most and mk1s the least.

[karmic musk]

Flak/Maniac as usual

[empty creek]

😍

[karmic musk]

Or Flak/Unarmored

[tall torrent]

for helbore 2 u specifically want unarmored + maniac

[last pewter]

Flak/Maniac I imagine? safest combo usually
could also get Carapace to round that out a bit (iirc, Helbore doesn't do too much damage to Cara so you can help shore up that weakness)

[indigo needle]

would helbore.... but they ruined the krieg skin, very sadge

[midnight mortar]

On the mk2 I found having unarmored actually nets you the dreg gunner headshot breakpoint.

[empty creek]

whenever i see people w/ unarmored buffs i have 2 either assume they know nothing AB the game or they’ve fine-tuned their build 2 an extreme extent

[last pewter]

honestly I'll admit the last 7 days I don't think I've seen a Helbore once lol

[empty creek]

ive seen a single helbore in the past 15 matches

[slow garden]

I would still like a draw time buff

[midnight mortar]

Unsurprising given the state of revolvers and plasma.

[last pewter]

I've seen vets with Plasma, vets with Brautos, IAGs, the Mk12 Lasgun

Revolvers

[empty creek]

it’s underutilized

[tall torrent]

25% unarmored on combat axe

[empty creek]

i meant firearms & whatnot

[terse idol]

Kinda wished the helbore just didn't stop firing if you charge your next shot too early

That would help it a ton

[tall torrent]

on guns yea unarmored is usually not a popular pick

[terse idol]

That actually stops me from playing

[midnight mortar]

It's an input buffer problem. The mk3 especially.

[terse idol]

Yeah

It just needs to queue up the next shot if you hold down the mouse

[empty creek]

the mk3’s fire loop feels like ass cancer

[midnight mortar]

It's been reported as a bug for months but no idea if it'll ever actually be changed.

[last pewter]

I've learned to embrace it, I have such a stupid build with my Mk3 Helbore

[terse idol]

I only play the mk3

[frank ether]

keystone boring on helbore and it doesnt rly synergize that well with other trees either, unless you go bayonet memes then mid tree gud

[indigo needle]

that sounds terrible

[terse idol]

And thats the thing hold me back the most

[stuck bridge]

do yall use deadshot on hellbore or nah

[last pewter]

I pop a smoke grenade, sit in it, pop my Executioner Stance, and then just click on heads

[empty creek]

the other versions do not have the pause

try the mk1

[midnight mortar]

I stopped using the mk3 cause of it.

[stuck bridge]

if you are using marksman keystone you get -90% threat

[terse idol]

Because if you misstime a shot you'll sit there with your pants down and be like why isn't this shooting

Yeahh

[midnight mortar]

It completely kills my flow and I just can't use it.

[terse idol]

Maybe I'll try the mk1 or 2

[midnight mortar]

The mk2 however is a dream.

[last pewter]

I've been running a heavy marksman build and been using the left keystone to honestly shockingly strong effect

[midnight mortar]

No input buffer issues there.

[last pewter]

pretty much so long as I can click on heads, which I am semi-decent at, I can kill anything in one shot

and with Surgical + that one talent that refunds Lasgun ammo

I tend to fire until I run out of targets

[frank ether]

I've been goofing around with shout bolter veteran and consistently outperforming marksman veterans, granted there were less than a handful but its a trend

[slow garden]

Boltor go brrr

[frank ether]

played like 3 games yesterday

[last pewter]

I don't like the bolter and I also don't like the shout all that much lol

[midnight mortar]

You definitely can use it that way. It's just objectively got shortcomings and costs that end up leaving it behind.

[nimble sentinel]

yesss...good...the lasgun head clickers grow stronger by the day.....

[indigo needle]

recon: "look at what you need to do to mimic 1% of my trash mk3 helbore"

[frank ether]

averaging like 800k damage on each

[tall torrent]

do we know for sure it works

[slow garden]

Saved team-mates from downs, captures, or tons of special damage so many times with shout

I cant live without it now

[frank ether]

meanwhile marksman vets need constant babysitting

[slow garden]

Even post nerf it's mandatory for me

[last pewter]

fair enough but counterpoint: you shouldn't have been put in that spot to begin with

[frank ether]

unless they play stuff like iags or laspistol

[indigo needle]

melee doesn't exists you can't blame them

[last pewter]

prevention is the best cure as they say

[stuck bridge]

someone posted the code on reddit the other day

[slow garden]

Alas, that's just how it is, I don't always run a full squad.

And I'm not about to go hounding my friends in to play perfectly forever

[midnight mortar]

I highly recommend the mk2. The bayonet is strong enough to be your main melee weapon and the 1 shot uncharged headshot breakpoint and faster firing rhythm make it far better for Vet than the mk3.

[last pewter]

psword exists and I find it works great for marksman vets
just shove, dodge back, activate psword, clear what I have in front of me and go back to shooting

[frank ether]

they have the weakest melee and toughness regen out of all 3 playstyles

[tall torrent]

only vet gets to use helbores tho, it's not like other classes get to pick between the 3

[slow garden]

Tbh I'd be fine with Helbore being pickable by other classes

[indigo needle]

"i cannot kill but i cannot die" jk

[tall torrent]

that one I'm not sure if it's real? need someone to test in game

[midnight mortar]

Uh, yes? I was recommending a helbore variant for a vet player who said they had issues with the mk3.

Not sure what you thought I was saying there.

[frank ether]

mk2 is the best variant

[fallow compass]

Hellbore II seems to be the way to go

[frank ether]

I prefer mk3 but thats because I'm sentimental

[tall torrent]

forget it, I was meaning u don't need to say "best variant for vet", just "best variant"

[frank ether]

and I choose based on what I like and not based on what is actually good

[last pewter]

tbf Mk3 also gets to one shot most Ogryn enemies

[frank ether]

mk3 is the worst variant

with the worst bayonet

[slow garden]

Bayonet does sound important

[frank ether]

and when they nerf the limbsplitter&bromentum interaction it will suck for it

[fallow compass]

Hellbore II can get off two quick shots and knock out ogryns

[midnight mortar]

Ahh. I said best variant for vet because the vet has 3 helbore variants to choose from. Sorry.

[tall torrent]

mk3 bayonet needs buff

[nimble sentinel]

tbh the hellbores might be the best balanced weapons group of em all, each one of them brings value

[frank ether]

not since the keystone

[nimble sentinel]

there is no better nor worse hellbore

[honest shadow]

snatches for grenades and ammo and runs off

[frank ether]

mk3's unique value was nuking carapace

got a little nerfed at that

[fallow compass]

I wish i could get a curio that let me carry more ammo

[frank ether]

might aswell bring mk1-2 and shoot fast now

and have the good bayo

[tall torrent]

mk3 just needs a better bayonet

[charred scarab]

That code never gets called iirc

[tall torrent]

have mk3 bayonet 4 tap crushers and maulers

[empty creek]

this dude showed up 2 work wearing the wrong uniform

[tall torrent]

we need that

[charred scarab]

OP couldn't actually read the code and claimed it was a "social experiment" lmao

[fallow compass]

Make him do pushups

[tall torrent]

yikes

[nimble sentinel]

best way to find the truth about a subject is to lie about it on the internet

[honest shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-food-shayan-sobhian-tala-ashe-nick-zano-behrad-tarazi-gif-18329225

[slow garden]

Or just be wrong about it on the internet in general

Don't even gotta lie

[frank ether]

you have about... 5 second window to one shot crushers if you do everything right

[slow garden]

[empty creek]

best way 2 learn on the internet is 2 ask a stupid, oblivious question in the right place so that some smart guy can come over-explain it all 2 U

[last pewter]

more than enough time for me to kill 'em and start lining up a shot onto another target to extend the duration

[frank ether]

need 8+ stacks of marksman focus, volley fire activated and must have taken %20 ogryn damage

the build can't even afford grenade regen

because of how expensive it is now

[slow garden]

Why shoot og 4 times when you can just throw a krak

[frank ether]

All it takes is

one teammate to stun the ogryn

and you miss your headshot window

[tall torrent]

it's buggy

[frank ether]

there goes your entire build gimmick

[empty creek]

BC kraks R useless otherwise

[slow garden]

Is it? I never had problems with kraks

[ebon umbra]

it is slow

relative to other dps that excel at that role

[slow garden]

Krak fast af, and staggers all surrounding ogryns

[ebon umbra]

but it is reliable

[tall torrent]

if u krak an ogryn and they're climbing smth when it goes off, it does zero dmg

[ebon umbra]

naw bro are you joking you have to be so preemptive with kraks

especially for crusher patrols

teammates aggroing

[slow garden]

Oh huh, that's good to know!

[ebon umbra]

and rightfully so a lot

[empty creek]

shitty little frag that can’t do anything besides kill maybe 2 enemies in 1 blast

[slow garden]

Thankfully I never really had that happen so far.

[ebon umbra]

the stagger is also reliable imo

[frank ether]

one blast wont kill anything for shredder

not even poxwalkers

[slow garden]

I see a stack of ogryns moving in I just throw a krak or two at it

[tall torrent]

and krak doesn't really handle crusher groups, they need to be super grouped up for krak to kill more than 2

[slow garden]

Boom boom, problem solved

[ruby fulcrum]

Counterpoint, krak costs literally all of my builds an extra point I don't otherwise have to spend

[ebon umbra]

it definitely works and kraks are good

[ebon umbra]

this too if it happens to you

[slow garden]

I don't even take a keystone on my build, tbh

[frank ether]

kraks at least have some value outside of hordes

[ebon umbra]

same

[frank ether]

''but I can stun bulwarks'' is ??? tier take when krak deletes them

[junior needle]

Why are my shots registering like a second after shooting them

What is going on with these servers

[slow garden]

I just take survivalist, war cry, revive speed, some nade bonuses.

I left click with my plasgun and I krak nade bosses/mauler or ogryn swarms

Single maulers or ogs I just shoot

[ebon umbra]

sometimes if i spam by accident out of panic i get no shot

idk if it is legit tho

maybe me choking

[slow garden]

I can see it, I shoot an og, he staggers

You miss your headshot

Video games.

[nimble sentinel]

for the krak discourse https://youtube.com/shorts/kb7KQP4xOO4?si=T6KVuJdrYxubP-kr

[slow garden]

[ebon umbra]

🕺

[slow garden]

All hail the krak

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/rwofbPjReh0?si=qHjMnripN8p4FhiZ

[slow garden]

Remover of problems since its inception

[ebon umbra]

can anyone else hear those sirens you get at the pull the levers section on hourglass?

i mean out of game

doooo dooot

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark hasn't restarted them in months. This happens cyclically.

Crashes, hitreg, desync all occur more frequently over time due to lack of routine maintenance.

[slow garden]

Ah so Darktide is server based, not p2p

[ebon umbra]

thankfully

[slow garden]

Thats nice, I appreciate that.

[ebon umbra]

fuck peer to peer in the year 2023

[slow garden]

Same

Fuck p2p

with some of the friends I play with that would be hell

[junior needle]

I guess the live service doesn't include server maintenance

[sullen scarab]

Crit chance good on a Kantrael MGXII?

Guess it helps out the "crits use no ammo" skill?

[last pewter]

slap a scope on that bad boy and you have a DRM on your hands lol

[slow garden]

Probably, idk for sure though

[midnight mortar]

It's ok but typically the headhunter blessing is where your crit chance comes from.

[last pewter]

honestly it seems a bit memey but it could work out

[sullen scarab]

Haha yeah

it had +10% poxwalker damage and crit chance, so I had to change one

[slow garden]

Eyy, still very good roll

[sullen scarab]

yeeee

[midnight mortar]

Ah well, yeah you can work with it then.

[last pewter]

pain

[slow garden]

Welcome to tubes and cubes

[last pewter]

darktide is a series of tubes

[slow garden]

And cubes.

[last pewter]

I have enough cubes

[sullen scarab]

Also here's my brand new "don't touch me" shovel

[tall torrent]

usable

[sullen scarab]

yessss

[last pewter]

that may be the highest statted thing I've seen ever

[sullen scarab]

I know right LOL

I wasn't sure about keeping the +2 stamina but honestly its been a life saver

whenever ragers show up I just mash the dodge button and I'm in a different zip code

[stray storm]

Holy fucking shit
Did a Kreigsman bless that stat bcz HOLY FUCK
I wish I a Goode stat rage 😭

[sullen scarab]

I know right, just holy shit

THE POWER SHOVEL

[nimble sentinel]

that shovel won the war on Vraks

[sullen scarab]

Hadron bricked this insane stat sprad though, I literally weep everytime I see it.

yes

[frank ether]

yea

thats one good thing about the whole live service shtick

[midnight heron]

ahahahaha

[cunning sandal]

Just wanted to say:

That's all, fellas.
Have a good one.

[sullen scarab]

LOOOOL

Also my prized posession

Bonafide Guardsman Classic

[cunning sandal]

Pretty fuckin' snazzy

[sullen scarab]

yeeeee

[cunning sandal]

Shame it's not an MGXII though

[stuck bridge]

MG la pretty cracked this patch

[sullen scarab]

Only problem is that when I click on Executioner's stance a really big dude shows up and stands directly in front of me, I think it's a bug

[stark dew]

wait a minute

this math doesnt add up

[junior needle]

1a has higher dps but also less one shot breakpoints

[stuck bridge]

plasma has entered the chat

[cunning sandal]

Revolver says hello

[sullen scarab]

I keep rolling plasma guns

[karmic musk]

Why does Revolver not get blocked is the real question

Shotguns get blocked, Revolver should too

[sullen scarab]

Bullet is too Cowboy Aesthetic to be blocked

[slow garden]

^ Correct answer

Bullet has too much Cowboy.

Can't be blocked.

[stuck bridge]

damn mk2 hellbore with marksman stacks doesnt even need to charge its shots, can one tap gunners and specials lol

[sullen scarab]

Man I'm so angry, I had a plasma gun with +25% Flak on it and I rolled it away from something else right before they buffed Rager HP.

[stark dew]

have a mk 1 with t4 onslaught

its kinda gross

[sullen scarab]

i am weeping

[stuck bridge]

tbh the charge shot spamming vies me carpal tunnel, really wish it just started charging when you ads

[slow garden]

RIP my dude

[stark dew]

fair

[sullen scarab]

I was dumb and rolled away FLak on the one on the right

guess I'm using the left one now

[stuck bridge]

blaze away is a trap, shatter impact is better

[slow garden]

At least if you encounter maulers you can shoot them in the unarmoured leg

[stark dew]

i wish it was reversed

like

auto charge but slower optimal ROF

[slow garden]

So that will help you get around the problem a bit

[stark dew]

i had a mod like that for gauss weaps on fo4 lmao

[sullen scarab]

Really? I thought shatter impact was bad compared to BA

[stuck bridge]

lets you two tap bulwarks / reapers and 3 tap crushers

[stark dew]

nahhh shoot maulers center of mass as the emperor intended

[sullen scarab]

I had no idea, I think I have a good once

[ruby fulcrum]

Blaze away let's me one tap ragers, and you can already 2 shot reapers/bulwark without it

[slow garden]

The Emporer intends me to be an efficient member of my Warband!!

[stuck bridge]

you can one tap ragers without it though, also crits

[slow garden]

If the heretic leave parts in their armor for me to exploit, it is His bidding I shoot them there!!

[stuck bridge]

what is the bayonet build? Someone posted they did like 800k damage without using ranged

[last pewter]

how does plasma gun work in terms of overcharge, is it like Psyker (i.e. don't shoot over 97% or kaboom)?

[stuck bridge]

if you fire a charged shot at 100% you blow up

if you only left click its impossible to die

[last pewter]

is Plasma better for a sort of sniper build orrr?

[stuck bridge]

plasma just mows down everything

[north pulsar]

hey dolls, i found this axe on my vet and I'm not sure what to do with it. it feels like it should be better than my (unoptimised) knife
any suggestions?

[stuck bridge]

run full melee if you want its base stats are good

[last pewter]

damn, might need to give it a fair shake

[stuck bridge]

tactical axes are garbo imo

[north pulsar]

yeah it didn't feel super great

[last pewter]

tac axe sadly, but if you wanna try it, swap Unarmored damage for like Flak or Maniac or smth

[north pulsar]

i could manage it, but felt way less smooth than blade

[sullen scarab]

These are the 2 plasma guns I have Shattering Impact on, which one should I use?

[stuck bridge]

i really like gets hot, i think the left one does like .5% more damage due to charge rate

[sullen scarab]

yeah I remember the weird charge rate thing

[north pulsar]

yeah, thats my thinking. honestly i think it probs needs the ignore hit mass to make it smooth to play, but it hurts to overwrite the complementary blessings

[sullen scarab]

I guess I'll take the one on the left and swap BA for Gets Hot?

[stuck bridge]

no i was wrong right one is better

[sullen scarab]

oh ok

I guess I'll just swap both the perks on it to Flak and Maniac?

higher stopping power too

[stuck bridge]

i run maniac + elite personally

[sullen scarab]

oh that's right, elite is good

I forgot lmao

[fading grove]

are there any Headhunters that stand out among the rest

[sullen scarab]

too bad I can't put T4 Gets Hot on that one

that would make it perfect

[junior needle]

vraks 3 and 7, agri is still the black sheep as far as I'm aware

[stuck bridge]

i prefer the 3

[fading grove]

is it due to stats or usability that agri is less loved

[stuck bridge]

nah you gotta get that 80 dam 80 stop 73 charge rate

[junior needle]

Many people find the tac axes to be quite awkward and don't like them. There's one that's considered worse than the others and it might be the 2.

[frank ether]

yea they kinda are

[sullen scarab]

I have this one for slapping big bois

[stuck bridge]

unyielding sage

[sullen scarab]

true lmao

[junior needle]

Baseline ability, just doesn't perform as well as the others numerically. I assume the burst is still too slow to be considered "good".

[frank ether]

this game has so many axes and only like one of them is good lmao

[delicate moat]

wasted like 500k, still no rashad axe to hit the bruiser bp

[junior needle]

It used to just cancel your burst and fire only one shot if you fired fast enough but that should've been fixed.

[stuck bridge]

i like the antax V

[junior needle]

Rashad is strictly an upgrade from the antax last I checked

[stuck bridge]

kinda need to run atk speed though

i thought antax was better after the nerf to brutal momentum

[indigo needle]

damn i need to get used to damnation again

[sullen scarab]

Here you go

my new Big Boy Toy

[stuck bridge]

noitch

[sullen scarab]

I guess I won't miss the 7.5% crit rate from not having t4 gets hot lol

[stuck bridge]

my charge rate sucks

wrong one

[delicate moat]

nono, charge rate is great

[sullen scarab]

damn

charge rate LOL

[delicate moat]

you can charge this map to have it ready for next map, ez fix

[sullen scarab]

Here's my flubbed one

[frank ether]

whys your game so bright smh

[sullen scarab]

trying out SI on it instead of blaze away

[stuck bridge]

hdr fam

ultrawide

[sullen scarab]

my computer lags like crazy when I fire the plasma gun so maybe blaze away isn't for me lmao

[junior needle]

Nurp, still the 2. Having makes the lights a bit faster and the heavies noticeably faster, plus extra finesse damage.

[frank ether]

didnt knew this game supported hdr

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah Soldier 69, how high finesse do you need on the II?

I've got one with 70% finesse

[stuck bridge]

i can kill those in one hit though

[junior needle]

For stats, you need higher than what I have there. Meant to link the video to someone else

[sullen scarab]

I rolled this for my II

[junior needle]

You might need +unarmored for scab bruiser heads.

[sullen scarab]

Ohhhh you're right

didn't even think about that

[junior needle]

I'm testing that without any melee damage boosts, so if you have those it'll be much smoother for you.

[sullen scarab]

I always find myself not really using the +Maniac because I end up getting obliterated by ragers if I try to fight them in melee

[junior needle]

with 5% melee damage I can hit the headshot BP on 4 headtaker stacks

[tall torrent]

Imo
Rashad > Achlys > Antax

[junior needle]

If I had headtaker 4 I might be able to get it without any talents, but needing less stacks to start cleaving is always better

[tall torrent]

Antax without hitting the breakpoints feels miserable

[waxen matrix]

Hello, I'm coming back on the game after a long break, the role of the veteran is still to take out priority targets rigtt?

[tall torrent]

And u need talents to hit those bruiser breakpoints which is extra cost in an already point starved tree

[junior needle]

Depends. Vet ironically is less good at ranged now and is better at support/melee by distributing shields/ammo.

But that's still something you should be doing

[waxen matrix]

Support?

[junior needle]

Helping the team

Voice of command is quite strong

survivalist is highly valued

[south spindle]

Not by any stretch of the imagination bad at ranged tho

[frank ether]

words

[stuck bridge]

Nah plasma conquers all though

[frank ether]

he said less good

not bad

[junior needle]

I didn't say bad, just less good. There's more good guns now so that's floating the ranged power of the class more than it used to.

[south spindle]

Boltgun my beloved

[frank ether]

bolter still feels good to me

[waxen matrix]

Depends on the build and the weapons I guess

[stuck bridge]

Everyone said vet was op when the best gun was mg12 Las xd

[waxen matrix]

I didn't saw that the first time but there's is a ton of weapons variants

[still flare]

Vet's best traits right now is absolutely utility/support/ammo

Damage exists, but other classes do it better and we aren't where we were

[south spindle]

Vet wasnt OP because of his ranged ability, Vet was OP because Unwavering was a thing

[stuck bridge]

Bolter needs a rework / variant. Too slow

[south spindle]

Basically walking around with what was effectively godmode relative to the scaling of old Damnation

[woven olive]

to reload yes every other aspect the bolter is fine

[waxen matrix]

I should check the vet's weapons now

[stuck bridge]

I wish they would move the +1 nade off the right side of the tree

[waxen matrix]

But where to start?

[tall torrent]

Weapons are still the same but there’re way more viable weapons now than before

[waxen matrix]

I heard bad things about the axes

[south spindle]

Even the reload isnt awful if you take the skill relating to reload thats right at the top of the tree

Pretty snappy infact

[still flare]

Biggest glow-up's from early game are prolly revolver, plasma, columnus infantry autogun

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah what are people running on the Bolter nowadays?

[south spindle]

Surgical + Pinning

[woven olive]

true

[junior needle]

Devil claw 1 is very beginner friendly and easy to build. The parry is good now, and its easy to use with pure horizontal heavies and quite strong with rampage/savage sweep.

[tall torrent]

Stuff to try:
All 3 infantry autoguns
All 3 infantry lasguns
All 3 helbore lasguns
2 braced autoguns (skip Graia MkIV)
2 headhunter autoguns (skip Agripinaa MkIX)
Plasma gun
Revolver
Laspistol
All 3 shotguns (this depends on your build though)
Bolter still good but not as versatile as revolver or plasma gun (imo)

[stuck bridge]

Mk4 is my favorite

[woven olive]

am i the only one that likes running weapon specialist with the bolter and tactical axe mk2?

[junior needle]

Columnus is the clear winner in the IAG department, just fyi

[south spindle]

I still find Graia IAG to be kinda limp vs the other two :/

[sullen scarab]

Picked this up from Melk and was wondering which blessing I should swap out, if at all

[frank ether]

yes

you're the only one

[south spindle]

Yeet Shattering for Pinning Fire

[sullen scarab]

yeah I tried the Graia in a bunch of matches and it felt like I was shooting peas at people

[frank ether]

please dont magdump with bolter its silly

[stuck bridge]

Melee weapon aside itsegit for mag dumping fast but you won't proc the melee buffs very easily

[tall torrent]

I actually think the order goes like:
Columnus > Graia > Agripinaa

[sullen scarab]

Oh snap, really? Shattering not good anymore?

[woven olive]

i like free crits...but under standable

[waxen matrix]

Aren't the shotguns weird in this game?

[south spindle]

Boltgun already has really good ADMs so it doesnt do a whole lot for it no

[waxen matrix]

What about melee weapons?

[junior needle]

Also, recons are very undertuned currently and it's recommended that you avoid them entirely until they get buffed. Sizably.

[sullen scarab]

ADM?

[south spindle]

I like the MKI ngl, it holds it damage better over range

[waxen matrix]

Are the axes as bad as I heard?

[sullen scarab]

armro damage modifier?

[south spindle]

Ye

[frank ether]

you get surgical and deadshot for crits. weapon specialist only applies on first shot.

[waxen matrix]

The recon lasgun?

[sullen scarab]

Got it haha, thanks man

[south spindle]

o7 yw

[soft hound]

You're hearing people who shouldn't have opinions

[junior needle]

Yes, the entire line is dumpster-low tier.

[sullen scarab]

I was so used to the old meta of Pinning Fire and Shattering Impact

[soft hound]

Axes are extremely based

[south prairie]

Plasmagun and revolver pierce are just

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk2 combat axe
Power sword 6
Devil’s claw 4 and 7 (1 doesn’t have as easy access to overheads)
Chainsword
Shovel

[tall torrent]

Don’t

[waxen matrix]

Okay, I thanks you all for this infodump

[south prairie]

Makes me feel all tingly seeing a line disappear

[south spindle]

Shovel is, imo, the most rewarding melee weapon in the game, closely followed by Zealot's Crusher

[waxen matrix]

Gonna try those when I can

[woven olive]

i didnt know the keystone got use up on first shot

[waxen matrix]

What about the chain axe?

[south spindle]

Try WeaponSpec' with Plasma lol

[junior needle]

[stuck bridge]

I like shovel I just wish it had slightly better cleave on heavies, it gets stumped a lot

[tall torrent]

Mk1’s issue for me is that you need 30% weakpoint + longshot to hold its breakpoints and even then the visual recoil is bad and due to its higher stagger (on top of suppression) you end up taking more time to kill gunners, and get less shots that are buffed up by Dum Dum (Columnus gets ~52, Graia gets ~50, Agripinaa gets ~30)

[south spindle]

Best combo options, great mix of offence an defence, great mobility. Ticks all the boxes i want from a melee weapon

[frank ether]

the crit is only for the first shot, other bonuses still apply but more firerate would only hurt bolter since its problem is ammo consumption

[woven olive]

yeah less roil good idea

[woven olive]

oh thats all? i only spray pray on bosses so its fine for me lol

[waxen matrix]

All of those weapons have a specific role no?

[junior needle]

The defence and mobility I can see, but I was very unimpressed by the damage on it. Although it could be because I was stuck with thrust/deci instead of uncanny/deci.

[woven olive]

and crushers and maulers too

[south spindle]

Ah if im running IAGs i go down right tree so most of that isnt a problem. Dont have Dumdum on mine either

[stuck bridge]

Oof

[south spindle]

There is a bunch of setups that work well, Deci'/SC if you're down right tree an have Serrated + Onslaught, Take a Swing/Thrust also fucks, ofc Uncanny/Deci' too

[soft hound]

Is MkXII still the King of the Las?

[tall torrent]

Combat axes are general purpose (must have brutal momentum blessing)
Power sword 6 is high lethality lower defense
Shovel is high defense lower lethality
Devil’s claw plays around its parry
Chainsword is like axe with natural cleave and less talent point investment but worse elite killing

[south spindle]

I would say MKIa is better now

But they're both good

[waxen matrix]

High defense?

[south spindle]

I just prefer the snappy nature of MKIa

[tall torrent]

I’d say
MG1a > MG4 ≈ MG12

[stuck bridge]

Good dodge distance / count high stamina

[junior needle]

Unless those setups double the killing power, it kinda just feels like it does nothing into large hordes

[woven olive]

while still on weapon specialist revolver pairs well with it not gonna lie

i mena i still use surgical and hand cannon but that bonus crits can speed things along nice for less ADS time

[tall torrent]

Lots of stamina, high dodge limit & dodge distance, great special (staggers everything)

[south spindle]

Do the maths on this, looks cursed, actually performs super well if you use push attacks a lot

[soft hound]

Cool, because I liked the MK1 better when I used to play it pre-skill tree but it just didn't hit the breakpoints I needed it to.

[south spindle]

Oh yeah its way better for hitting breakpoints now

[soft hound]

Having a whale of a time with the Vraks III though

[junior needle]

Do the maths on this
Can't do math boss

[sullen scarab]

I just like he MKIa because if I miss I just shoot more lasers

[tall torrent]

I think MG4 is worth trying though because the higher ads move speed really does make a difference

You’re far less of a turret

[karmic musk]

It only has slightly less damage per shot than Mk XII too

[sullen scarab]

yeah i like it

[south spindle]

I like MKIV on Zealot a lot, but thats because his attack speed buffs from Chastise effect its RoF, with FullAuto mod it makes it a ReconLas that actually kills stuff

[tall torrent]

MG4 also gets really really high sustained firepower (you can unload like 65-70 shots without shock trooper)

Because it’s 2 ammo cost per shot

[next spade]

is it me or is Agripinaa 1 really good?

[tall torrent]

It’s the highest talent point cost IAG

But has the best breakpoints

[next spade]

which talents would you take?

I have 20% ranged, 15% ranges, 20% ogryn, 10% rending

[leaden musk]

Powersword mark vi with brutal momentum carapace plus 25 can two tap crushers with jab and downwards strike if anyone doesn't know damnation too

[tall torrent]

You need 30% weakpoint to reach all shooter 1 tap headshot (longshot to maintain this over distance)
Then onslaught if you want to shoot at stuff that takes a while to kill
On top of the usual 20% Ogryn/monstrosity + 10% rending

[next spade]

ah 30% weakpoint makes sense

[sullen scarab]

I'm kind of enjoying Terrifying Barrage on the Columnus? Like I use infiltrate, run behind a group of shooters, shoot them, and they immediately all start cowering instead of magdumping into my anus?

[next spade]

ok gotta try that, thanks! already feels very good without

[tall torrent]

Also 30% weakpoint allows u to 1 shot sniper to the head

[next spade]

I guess I gotta skip on reload speed

[fading grove]

I do it for the memes

[tall torrent]

Still need longshot to maintain that over distance though

[junior needle]

The second blessing isn't important, as long as you have dumdum you're set. The gun is so overtuned it doesn't really matter.

Also congratulations, you found a use case for terrifying

[sullen scarab]

yeah I really feel it, like as soon as I get into close range everything melts its insane

I know LOL

I was like eh when I got it, but I'd rather have maniac/Flak on it then the poxwalkers/stamina it used to have :/

[junior needle]

You made the right choice, the perks are much more important

[sullen scarab]

yes

Also I'm trying to work on my laspistol

[karmic musk]

If you had Stripped Down, you wouldn't need to use your ult for that Just run straight at them

[sullen scarab]

True LOL

actaully

wait a second

[sullen scarab]

What about this one?

[next spade]

its so odd how there is no recoil reduction or accuracy in the entire veteran tree

[sullen scarab]

Keep sprint efficiency on it, put DumDum/Flak on it?

[tall torrent]

Volley fire (executioner’s stance) reduces recoil

[sullen scarab]

[karmic musk]

Guess you could try that

[sullen scarab]

looool

[tall torrent]

I think the best way to go with IAGs is actually Dum Dum + Stripped Down

You can tank a bajillion shooters and just run around

[sullen scarab]

yeah that's true lmao

[next spade]

I always run the shout as this is carrying pubs

[tall torrent]

And you still have respectable dps against basically everything

[sullen scarab]

yeah

[junior needle]

It's 4/4 scuffed and a lower damage roll, but you should still easily have 2x the damage output of a perfect recon lasgun

[sullen scarab]

I'll meme around with it then, and keep the sprint efficiency on it for Stripped Down memes

since carapace doesn't....do anything?

[tall torrent]

Speed load -> Dum Dum
Sprint efficiency -> flak/maniac

Perfectly fine

[karmic musk]

Could help if you have Rending

[tall torrent]

You shred them a bit better with onslaught

[sullen scarab]

true!

I'll do that

[tall torrent]

I think you can reach smth like 2k DPS on crushers with Columnus IAG rn

[sullen scarab]

haha damn

[raw steppe]

test it in meat grinder lol

even with onslaught it's still pretty useless

[karmic musk]

Don't waste too much Plasteel now, its getting sent into the warp next patch

[raw steppe]

against crushers

[sullen scarab]

true lol

[soft hound]

What's the most efficient way to roll up weapons? Buy from brunt till you get a good base and upgrade from there? Hunt for a decent green?

[tall torrent]

2k dps against crushers I wouldn’t call useless

[raw steppe]

E) All of the above

[astral blade]

Man why is it that no one on Oceana servers has the balls to do auric level difficulty

[tall torrent]

You want to get a good collection of harvested blessings so in the case you get a good stat roll, you can immediately consecrate to gold and be rdy to replace anything u don’t want on it

[soft hound]

Not enough butter in their diet

[next spade]

I guess with that breakpoint the Gaia autogun has no chance against the agripea

[tall torrent]

Not exactly

Because Graia has lower recoil and more mag size

[raw steppe]

yeah and you kill one crusher and have to rebuild your stacks cuz it's brittleness not rending

[tall torrent]

So you get close to 50 buffed shots with Dum Dum

[next spade]

Graia feels still good, def one of my fav

[tall torrent]

It’s fine for 1-2 crushers

[astral blade]

It just makes me sad honestly like I’m wanting to do auric level difficulty right

[tall torrent]

Whereas Agripinaa gets 30

[indigo needle]

lol

[astral blade]

And I can’t because no one is doing it on Oceana servers

[indigo needle]

using the helbore without marksman is rough

i did more damage with the bayonet lol

[sharp epoch]

go to na leave the oceanians

[indigo needle]

wait wat

[nimble sentinel]

Europe vs America, who has the best players?

[tall torrent]

Next patch might have new weapons added (expansions to existing weapon lines)

[nimble sentinel]

🍿 😎

[sharp epoch]

usa #1

[cyan arrow]

best skill tree paths for vet rn?

[nimble sentinel]

mid and right seems to be the consensus

[cyan arrow]

straight down the entire way for both?

[sharp epoch]

left tree is for if you have skill

[nimble sentinel]

you should dip in the left tree for shock trooper for totally unbiased reasons

[indigo needle]

oh scared me, i thought it was gonna be harder to find

[frank ether]

good idea to build for your weapons rather than the other way around

[tall torrent]

We don’t know what next patch will have so just save to be safe tbh

[stuck bridge]

There are good things in all of them, generally you are picking what not to take when making a build.

Heavy left for certain weapons and melee focus on right. Middle is focused on survivability

[next spade]

if you want to win games id recommend going with shout and ammo aura

[cyan arrow]

I mostly run power sword and mg xxi

[slow garden]

Woah, Shrike lives here too. It's a good day.

[nimble sentinel]

I run the IV, grab shock trooper and suppression immunity, then focus down the middle for tagging

[frank ether]

power sword works with anything, lasguns you probably want to go left tree for shock trooper and precision strikes

[nimble sentinel]

also think about swapping for a 1a

[stuck bridge]

Most brain dead build is frags, ammo aura, shout, weapon spec.

Run plasma with melee weapon of choice

[nimble sentinel]

12 is great, 1a is goated, 4 for the sigmas

[tall torrent]

Either 1a or 4 imo

4 is actually rly fun

[slow garden]

Also, +1 on shout and ammo aura. I really like the revive speed.

[astral blade]

New weapons? Where

When

Pls

[stuck bridge]

Never

[slow garden]

Revive speed, Krak grenades, no keystone. Plasgun / Power sword.

[stuck bridge]

Cope

[astral blade]

Yes

[cyan arrow]

sorry
I run the xII lasgun

[astral blade]

And thank you

[cyan arrow]

not the xxi

[nimble sentinel]

my brother in the Emperor, I'm the MG IV defender

[slow garden]

Shout and Survivalist.

[cyan arrow]

mb I got them mixed up

[tall torrent]

MG IV could still use a buff

Not as good in elite killing

[sick marsh]

this ok?

[nimble sentinel]

blasphemy just click faster

[stuck bridge]

Shredder a bit low but chainsword is good

[tall torrent]

It’s not hard to reach mg4 max firerate lol it’s only 300rpm

[sick marsh]

get an autoclicker.

[tall torrent]

Even if you have weapon specialist on with full 10 stacks of ranged specialist (still only 360rpm)

[frank ether]

figured

[tall torrent]

Most people can reach this kind of firerate very easily

[frank ether]

you want either left tree or a mix of left and mid for any of the infantry las

[stuck bridge]

Nah man I had to drop Las pistol too. Click spam ain't worth it

[frank ether]

I guess you could run without shock trooper or the marksman keystone

[south spindle]

Download the FullAuto mod

[nimble sentinel]

skill issue

[south spindle]

Save your fingies

[frank ether]

but I'd at least take precision strikes for sure

[nimble sentinel]

wait wrong quote

plush you're goatwed

[stuck bridge]

I've tried it, it feels inconsistent, like it fires choppily sometimes

[tall torrent]

Ngl I think shock trooper is only really valuable on mk3 helbore and maybe XII
The other lasguns just don’t need it that much

[south spindle]

Its better than carpel tunnel

[hollow ibex]

Game unplayable without full auto mod tbh

[stuck bridge]

Yes but I can just not use those guns

[hollow ibex]

Missing out then

[south spindle]

Weird take, but you do you

[frank ether]

recons dont proc it consistently but because they are very ammo hungry guns you need it anyways

so you take it to help with your weakness regardless

[slow garden]

One build I do want to try is Exe-Stance with Plasgun though, since it can reliably fire through crowds/cover.

Might be nifty.

[tall torrent]

Skip recon entirely cuz they’re just bad
Infantry lasguns (12 could use it, 1a could use it, 4 doesn’t need it)
Helbore lasguns (mk3 needs it, mk2 doesn’t need it, and mk1 is whatever)

[midnight mortar]

It's funny because in FS's attempt to ensure the recons don't benefit from Shocktrooper, they failed to realize that the base characteristics of recons were why people took Shocktrooper in the first place.

[stuck bridge]

They should make recon lasguns just have an ammo capacity and not have to reload

[midnight mortar]

So in the end, recons still use Shocktrooper in their builds.

[frank ether]

Also shock trooper is pretty overkill on helbores and infantry las but it gives you build options where you can ignore survivalist and go with other auras

so it has some value there

like what if I could make weapon specialist kantrael for example

sounds goofy but worth a shot

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper is needed on helbore 3 because without it you only get like 11~12 charged shots? Smth like that

[slow garden]

I'd pay money to have lasgun batteries recharge and give you some ammo when you got lit on fire.

[tall torrent]

Before u need to reload

[slow garden]

If only as a reference to how you can recharge a lasgun mag by throwing it in a fire in the lore

[south spindle]

Shock Trooper on Laspistol is pretty gud

[frank ether]

Its good for delaying the reload, but you can always build reload speed I think its not a huge issue

[south spindle]

Thing crits all the time so makes good use of it

[frank ether]

also good helbore 3 user will not go full charge shots on everything

half charge or even tap fire can nuke gunners with the right build

[tall torrent]

Good helbore 3 user needs to not get screwed over by server connection

[frank ether]

if only

[slow garden]

The warp makes the battlefield unstable at times

A good soldier must adapt and perservere

[frank ether]

but still I will take occasional no-reg over a peer 2 peer game

[midnight mortar]

And the input buffer.

[frank ether]

some games out there that I really enjoy are ruined by p2p

cause its pain to play with distant friends

[slow garden]

Yeeep

[frank ether]

and generally very inconsistent in how they feel

valheim and gtfo are two examples from the top of my head

[tall torrent]

DRG has that issue unfortunately

[hollow ibex]

Is darktide p2p? I think vt2 was

[tall torrent]

But at least DRG is not as intense micromanagement as darktide

[slow garden]

VT2 was

Not Darktide

[tall torrent]

Darktide is server based

[slow garden]

Darktide is server based

[hollow ibex]

Oh nice

[frank ether]

darktide is server based

[midnight mortar]

No. VT2 was.

[slow garden]

Jinx you owe me a beer

[hollow ibex]

Vt2 p2p was fucking awful

[midnight mortar]

It's why you're seeing more hitreg and connection issues as time goes on here.

Because FS hardly ever restarts their servers.

[slow garden]

[hollow ibex]

Esp without host migration

[jolly cave]

You can select which server at the mission terminal too if you are playing with friends abroad

[hollow ibex]

So many runs down the drain because the host left

[mystic belfry]

VT2 is fine most of the time

[frank ether]

p2p can be pleasant if host has good pc/connection and game has good netcode to support it

but thats kinda the exception

too many variables

[mystic belfry]

Until it’s awful :v

Then I started always hosting and it was fine

[hollow ibex]

Exactly, usually it’s fine but I remembered all the horrible host issues

[mystic belfry]

I have good internet and a great pc, so short of a storm literally taking my power out I never have issues hosting

[tall torrent]

P2P needs u to have a group of friends where one of u has really good connection & computer so the host connection is always fine
Joining random lobby in p2p is very hit or miss

[mystic belfry]

There’s a mod that lets you choose to host

[slow garden]

Its why I host on all my p2p games

[mystic belfry]

I just use that

[slow garden]

Including verm 2

Using said mod

[mystic belfry]

Also steam workshop mods for darktide when

[sharp epoch]

for darktide?

[glossy jewel]

post hotfix (as the video I'm watching is all pre-hotfix, a month old), what are veteran's strengths? It's the only one that's really still a mystery, but is maybe the most appealing too.

[mystic belfry]

Vt2

[slow garden]

Darktide is server based

You cant 'host' it

[frank ether]

no there is no p2p in darktide

so u cant host

[sharp epoch]

dam

[slow garden]

Veteran is extremely versatile.

Best special killer in the game

[frank ether]

vet makes a good support build with survivalist and shout while dishing out good ranged damage

[slow garden]

Pretty good horde clear, can be built as support, special killer, and still not horribly awful in melee if you play well

[mystic belfry]

Just pick two weapons you like and make a build for them

[frank ether]

you also have the ping keystone that prints toughness for your team

[glossy jewel]

Thanks, that sounds pretty appealing.

[frank ether]

and makes boss killing easy

[slow garden]

Best class in the game imho, and I have all but psyker at 30

[tall torrent]

High versatility, can deal with basically every threat in the game given you build him for that properly

[slow garden]

Zealot comes a close 2nd

[sharp epoch]

mainly support is his strength as of now, his dps capabillities are pretty lacking

[whole moon]

This isnt a complete lost case with the first target damage is it?

[tall torrent]

It unfortunately is

[mystic belfry]

Las pistol ps6 support vet is my favorite build atm

[whole moon]

pah, waste of a 379 😦

[mystic belfry]

Plasma shovel is good for support too

[tall torrent]

I don’t think this can hit scab bruiser 1 hit breakpoint?

[sharp epoch]

imo the order is ogryn, zealot, psyker, then veteran in terms of strength

or winrate

[mystic belfry]

There’s like one build on psyker I like

And im not a fan of any ogryn melees besides knives

[whole moon]

not only does this change patch to patch but also which of the class channels you bring it up in lol

[sharp epoch]

the bully clubs are pretty strong and let you deal with everything pretty much

[soft hound]

Club gang rise up

[tall torrent]

I like Ogryn shield

[frank ether]

fast cleave is like the only thing ogryn lacks probably

[mystic belfry]

Didn’t say they were weak

Just don’t like the feel

[whole moon]

3b just kept us safe slapping bosses around all night

glad Ive found the groove again

[tall torrent]

But it’s very funny to me how an axe has more damage than every Ogryn melee weapon

[hollow ibex]

Shield da best

[mystic belfry]

I like shield heavy one

And that’s it tbh

[sharp epoch]

its just my take from leveling every class to 30, i can consistently carry pubs on ogryn but the other classes have a harder time probably because if I go down we fold pretty much

[mystic belfry]

But that’s just vt2 hours speaking

[frank ether]

I dont think leveling is enough time to master a class

at least not enough for veteran

[slow garden]

Huh! Good to know

[mystic belfry]

Obviously not

[frank ether]

aiming alone has its own skill ceiling

[sharp epoch]

well leveled and gotten them to 100+ each

[slow garden]

Ogryn for me seems kind of weak tbh

He's so vulnerable to specials and ranged fire

[mystic belfry]

Depends on what you run and how

[whole moon]

It's weird tho, the best clutch I ever managed was a BB/Shriek/Purg staff and not the Ogryn. Then again, Bull Rush to reach a comrade doesn't feel like anything special

[tall torrent]

Use shield

[slow garden]

I'm glad to hear he's holding up fairly well though

[atomic zephyr]

made an ogryn for the first time this weekend
still a vet at heart, but that bonk is fun
(also, hi)

[mystic belfry]

Vulnerable to specials?

[slow garden]

I do use shield

[frank ether]

I've seen oggies 1v1'ing dhosts

[slow garden]

1v1ing Dhost as Ogryn is a monday

ez

[tall torrent]

Just anchor down and tank a bajillion gunners while your team kills them all

[soft hound]

Lmao hey Char

[atomic zephyr]

funny seeing you here lmao

[slow garden]

Let me be more specific

[soft hound]

Ikr

[sharp epoch]

most good ogryns have 3 20% gunner resist curios, and if you build right you can get a flat 55% damage residt at all times so he eats gunner fire usually

[tall torrent]

Use the “push taunt enemy” talent
For some reason that taunts shooters when they shoot at your shield

[mystic belfry]

Everyone should stack gunner resistance tbh

[tall torrent]

So in no time you’ll be having almost every ranged enemy shooting at u specifically

[slow garden]

Thats the 8 second talent triggering

Not the ultimate

[whole moon]

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's uses
I'm not saying it hasn't been buffed
I still see Ogryn planting for extended periods of time and it needs to stop, your fkn useless in that mode.

[slow garden]

You dont have to ult to get em taunted by blocking their shots

[sharp epoch]

id say ogryn is better at keeping the team alive rather than pulling off a lone clutch solely because hes worse vs disablers

[mystic belfry]

Shield special is lame as hell ngl

[slow garden]

Shield specials super useful imo

My bro has saved runs with it by buying me space to clear specials with

[tall torrent]

Anchoring is only valid if there’s a legitimate big threat that requires him to tank

[terse idol]

Shield special but the sniper isn't aiming at the Ogryn he's still aiming at you through the shield

[whole moon]

I dunno, between rock, kickback and melee chains all you need is to dodge on the audio cue and 90% of the time you'll be ok

[slow garden]

As for Og himself, I mean moreso he lacks the ability to... React to bad situations.

Beyond. Of course.

NUKE OG

Who is the best

Just feed nuke og 1 grenade now and there and your worries are over

[mystic belfry]

I can’t agree with that statement

[terse idol]

If anything the biggest weakness og has is lack of range

[slow garden]

Also that as well smud, yeah

[mystic belfry]

I’d agree with that

[whole moon]

Even then if your rigged right your better off heavy chaining the target and regaining your toughness than you are hiding behind the shield

[sharp epoch]

on auric those hit their limit and ogryn has a large dodge distance but very slow cd on the dodge so if there's two disablers with staggered timing your probably gonna get hit after the first dodge

[mystic belfry]

But idk how you could say ogryn can’t handle bad situations

[slow garden]

He's super good and I'm always glad to see him, but I feel he has a lot of pain points

[zinc osprey]

Just carried another mission with stealthvet and smokes

[tall torrent]

Pretty much

[terse idol]

I think you still can dodge

[sharp epoch]

he just dodges slower

[zinc osprey]

Starting to think smokegrenades have a huge skill ceiling

[glossy jewel]

I hate to keep asking for things and I hope this isn't a trend, but is there a build, or "repository" of builds for vet? This channel is crazy active and nothing recent in pins.

[slow garden]

And I'm not saying he can't handle bad situations, I'm saying he's fairly inflexible, and 'very good at one or two things'

[terse idol]

And also RockGryns have the benefit of the rock being able to one shot most if not all disablers

[zinc osprey]

look up the class builder on google

[mystic belfry]

Ogryn can still dodge specials fine yeah

[sharp epoch]

theres a thread for builds on this channel

[slow garden]

Ogryn needs little buddy veteran or someone to kill lots of targets for him

[mystic belfry]

I don’t see it

[sharp epoch]

#1158835044006232215 message

[slow garden]

If he doesnt have that he has a very rough time on damnations and aurics

[terse idol]

Hmm

[slow garden]

But as a Vet main I am always glad to see the man

Because he gives me the space I need

[mystic belfry]

I don’t mind playing with any setup of players tbh

Besides maybe three assail psykers

[sharp epoch]

The strong point of Ogryn is he's basically unkillable if played right, he can eat like 10x the amount of sniper hits and poxbursters that veteran and psyker can

[whole moon]

I hope you've all at least played with the Hellbore Bayonet/Melee wepon bug, it is so much fun and when you hit a Monstrosity in a weak spot your gonna mess your pants

[sharp epoch]

also can compete on damage with gunlugger build

[terse idol]

Hmmm

I would disagree

You're a bigger target, you can't take cover as easily , if at all

[zinc osprey]

wdym? There's a bug?

[sharp epoch]

the bigger target mainly applies to shooters and gunners, but his slide and dodges negate their shots so hes not as vulnerable

[whole moon]

Yeah the Hellbores bayonet is getting some of the buffs from the melee Wep, specifically Limbsplitter and Brutal Momentum.

[terse idol]

Bayonet is benefitting from melee talents yuhh

[sharp epoch]

also his insane damage resist lets him eat shooters and gunners forever

[zinc osprey]

That's a bug? LMFAO

[mystic belfry]

If you wanna support your ogryns, bring smoke

[glossy jewel]

Thank you.

[whole moon]

And it's craaazy fun spamming the stab and watching everything die

[slow garden]

Is smoke like

Useful now?

[zinc osprey]

It's a melee weapon. Seems as intended ; )

[slow garden]

Did it finally get buffed?

[mystic belfry]

In the right situation

[sharp epoch]

hasnt changed smoke

[zinc osprey]

Always has been

[mystic belfry]

It’s the same

[sharp epoch]

except a longer timer

[terse idol]

Hell, you can stab a beast of nurgle in the front and it'll die with like 10 stabs

[slow garden]

Oh, rip

[mystic belfry]

Spawns changed

[terse idol]

There was a video earlier someone posted

[spark helm]

Depends on how you really use it but if you don't care for it you're fine without it.

[terse idol]

Its a little wacky

[whole moon]

Well the Limbsplitter cooldown isn't activating on the bayonet so if the rest is fine (and it might be) that bit isnt

[slow garden]

Yeah idk, smoke doesnt impress me. It doesn't save my team from run killers like ogryn and mauler squads, or a nasty beast at the wrong time.

Krak my beloved

[mystic belfry]

Smoke will shutdown most ranged enemies until it’s gone

Most of the time you don’t need smoke

[sharp epoch]

i like how people just found out about the bayo when patch was out for a while

[slow garden]

I just kill the ranged enemies with my gun

[mystic belfry]

But I’ve def stopped wipes multiple times with them

[slow garden]

Or dont walk into them

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn after getting shanked by a bayonet:

[zinc osprey]

Also, specials will aggro people outside of smoke first before they target people inside it

[slow garden]

That is good to know Irish

[spark helm]

You can use it in those kinds of situations as a space maker vs some units but you're usually better off doing something else. Those are those more niche scenarios that requires you to know what's up.

You can definitely do more efficient thing.

[slow garden]

Wasnt aware of that

[sharp epoch]

snipers being able to see fine through smokes makes it pointless to me

[terse idol]

I am not convinced about that still

[zinc osprey]

yeah, that's a problem. Definitely a bug

[mystic belfry]

Snipers on their own are easy to dodge

[slow garden]

Just shoot sniper friend

[terse idol]

Its weird because when I throw a smoke to block Los of a sniper the laser moves away

[whole moon]

ROCK!

[terse idol]

But I'd need to be able to replicate it

[mystic belfry]

Specials target people outside of smoke before people in smoke

[spark helm]

I get the threat of snipers but idk how people playing in higher difficulties have issues with them unless there's other threats empowering the sniper

They just explode when I see the laser even if I'm not the one killing them.

[zinc osprey]

Smokes are why I just carried this Auric Damnation mission

Wait.

[mystic belfry]

If someone is not in the smoke they change targets

[terse idol]

It's the same strange interaction when you throw a smoke on a reaper before its shooting and it just kinda sits there confused

[zinc osprey]

Correction: Maelstrom Auric Damnation mission

[slow garden]

Biggest issue running Auric Damnation for me has been trappers

[mystic belfry]

Reapers of already shooting will just shoot the same spot in smoke

[slow garden]

All it takes is ogryn going a litttle too far ahead

And getting trappered

[mystic belfry]

If not shooting they won’t start

[slow garden]

And the whole run is going to shit in an instant

[terse idol]

I will say the firing squad of seeing 3 sniper lasers is terrifying

[sharp epoch]

Not really a carry if you did the same as 3 of your teammates

[terse idol]

And the timing they shoot can vary

[zinc osprey]

I revived 10 times and helped disabled players 7 times

[slow garden]

Beyond that its usually mixed hordes that kill us

[tall torrent]

This might sound heretical but I think smoke should enable players inside to gain a small amount of toughness or stamina per second

[terse idol]

I think maybe smoke has a place

[whole moon]

I was spamming a clown door tonight keeping the hordes down when a mutie charged me, I managed to dodge at the last minute and the door opened and he just ran in. Friend got it on vid but it's not great sadly

[slow garden]

Maulers and ragers inside a horde, a boss and a horde + specials

[mystic belfry]

Would be worth testing at least

[terse idol]

But it needs to do one more thing

[slow garden]

But mfer those trappers are murderers

[whole moon]

Musta desperately needed a shit is my guess

[zinc osprey]

That'd be so awesome

[whole moon]

Always raging about something

[sharp epoch]

they're gonna add subnodes to our grenades too, pls no

[tall torrent]

Because rn smoke is basically just a worse version of Psyker’s dome shield

[terse idol]

Trappers need to be louder when there's a horde and I dunno how

Cause I swear they blend iinn

[terse idol]

Well yeah, but its 'free'

[mystic belfry]

Dome shield has hp

[zinc osprey]

idk deaggroing is HUGE

[terse idol]

But you know what's more huge saddly,
The ability to stop all fire and gun fire inside the dome

[tall torrent]

It still needs to better counter ranged enemies

[terse idol]

Smoke doesn't stop fires

And it might need to

To stay competitive

[mystic belfry]

Until the hp is gone

[slow garden]

I can pick out trappers in almost every situation EXCEPT if there is a LOUD ASS MUTANT

SCREAMIN

[mystic belfry]

They tanking literally twenty gunners with a dome shield

[terse idol]

Well yeah, but I haven't seen that happen

[slow garden]

IN MA EAR

[zinc osprey]

I'm talking about Ragers and other enemies acting like you're invisible when the smoke explodes, which gives you enough time to revive someone

[slow garden]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[mystic belfry]

Smoke does it no problem

[terse idol]

Its only the small stagger

They dont change how melee reacts to you when you're inside iirc

[zinc osprey]

No it's not. Smoke, also resets AI aggro.

[slow garden]

Please tone down how loud the rager is, phew

[mystic belfry]

Correct

[slow garden]

I need to be able to hear other things

[tall torrent]

We need to have a smoke meta where smoke completely messes with enemy AI’s logic and makes them stop attacking u

[terse idol]

Yeah it doesn't reset aggro

If it did, alot more people would use it

Shooters who are already shoting you will still shoot your last known position inside the smokr

[mystic belfry]

Better than that in some ways because it makes some charge into melee

[mystic belfry]

That’s only reapers

[terse idol]

And melee mobs may receive a small stagger but still smack you

[swift thistle]

I think a lot of people who complain about smokes “not blocking shots” don’t know that

[terse idol]

Oooh only reapers

[tall torrent]

Make smoke force every ranged enemy (except reaper) to charge into melee

[terse idol]

Hmmm

Maybe

[mystic belfry]

Try it for a few games

[zinc osprey]

You're talking about Gunners/reapers. That's a set firing animation. They stop tracking you when the smoke goes up. You can walk around and hit them while they stand there shooting into the smoke

[swift thistle]

No it’s all gunner type enemies

[terse idol]

The biggest QoL change it needs is it needs to block snipers

[mystic belfry]

Smokes often don’t matter but when they are used right they save games

[zinc osprey]

This is actually one of the great parts of smokes.

[south spindle]

That doesnt look like its a carry my friend, you're all hitting equal damage an old matey next to you on the board killed more things

[swift thistle]

I know laser gunner, not sure against bullet gunner because I can’t actually see their bullets through

[terse idol]

Yes but the melee enemies who are already aggroed to you inside a smoke you just popped isn't gonna care

[mystic belfry]

I don’t think they’re the best made always or anything silly like that

[slow garden]

Carry is not always kills

[terse idol]

They will still slap you

[mystic belfry]

But they’re more balanced than people give them credit for

[tall torrent]

What’s the usually application of smoke
Throw it at your feat to force shooters to charge u and to make gunners not track you?

[mystic belfry]

Or at a group of them in the distance

[terse idol]

I usually throw it at my feet, or in front of gunners when there's a group

[south spindle]

Its the most important bit

[tall torrent]

Might need to try

[zinc osprey]

Absolutely. Enemies that are inside the smoke will keep attacking the closest player.

[swift thistle]

You can use them for a ton of things, but never through them at the gunners

[willow badger]

what do

[zinc osprey]

Or cut off a lane so they have to run into the room youre in

[swift thistle]

Like at their feet

[mystic belfry]

You know how you throw shredded to stagger ranged groups?

[terse idol]

You can throw them at gunners

[mystic belfry]

It’s like that but lasts forever

[swift thistle]

they will just walk out and you wasted a nade

[slow garden]

Its important, sure, but I'd argue team support is far more important. For example, shout veteran

[tall torrent]

Harvest ghost IV

[slow garden]

Extremely valuable