veteran-class

[delicate estuary]

cant hear shit

[gusty bison]

And coming in waves of 6

[leaden grove]

maelstrom

MAELSTROM

[gusty bison]

There are 6 tornadoes, also the entire ground is on fire

enjoy

[delicate moat]

im out of dockets to craft a helbore 2

fuck you brunt

[delicate estuary]

as if you need a good hellbore

huh

you only need the bayonet

you can run with a grey one at this point

[bitter turtle]

you probably want no respite no?

or doe sthat not work with it

[gusty bison]

On a Helbore?

Uhhhh

[leaden grove]

i wanna have sex with the helbore

[gusty bison]

No

[bitter turtle]

for the bayo stabbo

[delicate moat]

im out of dockets because i was trying to craft a rashad 2

[leaden grove]

and the plasma gun

[delicate moat]

now i cant even afford a grey one

i declare bankruptcy

[delicate estuary]

become hadrons cutest servitor and you will be given everything

[willow badger]

ngl i dont even bother with brunts

[bitter turtle]

just sell all your golds

yes

[willow badger]

i just buy anything with good rolls in the normal shop

[bitter turtle]

all of them

even the ones you use

[delicate moat]

i just tried to find the helbore i bought after selling things in the melee tab

• gunlugger ogryn on no ammo pickup melee maelstrom
• no vet
  

[mystic belfry]

Skill issue tbh

[delicate estuary]

I am enjoying my 5% movement speed aura when I see kickback ogryns

I get to ammo pickups before they can

[slow spade]

Increased pickup range for ogryn when? UwU

[civic knot]

Is the achlys combat axe good?

[tall torrent]

It’s alright

[languid escarp]

is there any reason to charge plasma gun instead of spamming left click?

it consumes 3x ammo but doesnt deal 3x damage

[tall torrent]

This just my personal opinion but
Rashad > Achlys > Antax
Because Antax needs more point investments to hit the same breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

no

[stuck bridge]

i love plasma

[languid escarp]

why would you kill disableds and special (needs)

[bitter turtle]

i mean

to be perfectly fair

that's totally in line with the 40k setting

they just call them mutants :^)

[stuck bridge]

Abore the mutant

[bitter turtle]

Adore the mutant*

[honest shadow]

Quick question for my veteran mains

Since the buff that went out that made the kantrael la better does that make the kantrael XII kinda not worth it

[willow badger]

probs a preference thing

[nimble sentinel]

a god roll 12 will still serve you incredibly well, but a god roll 1a will probably perform better

[sharp ember]

1a has a slight edge because it still 1 headshots common shooters while having faster RoF and more ammo

12 is still excellent though

[untold moth]

Of the basic autoguns, which are best?

[honest shadow]

Okay so it’s more of a preference of if I want a las that does really high damage or one that has a good fire rate and also does good damage?

[nimble sentinel]

or join the dark side, take the IV, and shoot infinite mags into hordes

[bitter turtle]

infantry or braced

columnus for infantry autogun, agri for braced autogun

[untold moth]

Tyvm

[honest shadow]

Hmmmmm

I like that option too

[untold moth]

Which blessings do people like for the Columnus

[bitter turtle]

fire frenzy/deathspitter + dumdum

flaniac for perks

[honest shadow]

Okay thank you vet mains this was very helpful and insightful I appreciate you

[nimble sentinel]

imma come out of the gate and say IV mag dumps are NOT ideal for new vets or if your aim isn't goated

[honest shadow]

Have a rock 🪨

[honest shadow]

I might go for the 12

[nimble sentinel]

recoil will getcha and your trigger finger will hurt

but it's fuuuuuuun

[sharp ember]

i'll also add that the graia infantry autogun has pretty gentle recoil if you hate recoil control

so check that out too if you have recoil issues

[untold moth]

Iirc the mk1 was best before the rework. What brings the columnus above it?

[sharp ember]

the dumdum buff in my mind

columnus has the fastest firerate

so it builds max dumdum the fastest

[bitter turtle]

the firerate synergizes with that and onslaught the best

[untold moth]

Makes sense to me

[bitter turtle]

you're just going to see less dmg on the others in exchange for better stability

[untold moth]

Do people usually take both of the rend talents?

[bitter turtle]

but columnus recoil can be reduced by crouching anyway

and

i do

but only onslaught is really important

the other one I get b/c i just go down that tree anyway

left tree is very mediocre for columnus

i'd say do a mix of middle and right

you can focus on right if you want more melee

the 10% rending isnt make or break

but losing ogryn dmg + 10% rending will mean your crusher ttk will be longer

[untold moth]

Sounds good to me. That’s the goal I had was focused on right side, just needed to pick a gun to use with it

[delicate estuary]

XII does not allow shit accuracy from the player

if you want more consistency go for IA

[frank ether]

or just standing still

[delicate estuary]

if you want something with skill ceiling just do X12

[bitter turtle]

or that

[frank ether]

and the recoil is high on initial shots

and then it settles

[bitter turtle]

ive found crouching helps even more though

idk if placebo but yeah

[honest shadow]

I love a challenge so I might stick with my choice

[frank ether]

so you can kinda do spraydowns

[sharp ember]

the forbidden recoil ceiling strat

[frank ether]

if you're not running deadshot you might aswell go for sprays

[bitter turtle]

just don't forget

[misty quest]

Mark 4 with executioner and focus fire is kinda nutty

[bitter turtle]

to pick up precision strikes

on the left tree

its all you need from it (and deadshot if you want it) but

[frank ether]

probably has a lower recoil stat for crouching

I can't be sure but I think they have separate recoil values for each stance

like stand, stand move, crouch, crouch move etc

[crude fiber]

Not sure how I sent that, had my phone on my lap lol

[modest sapphire]

I'm considering leveling my vet, one concern I have is in having repetitive gameplay. How are the guns? are there multiple viable guns at endgame? I feel like I just see recon lasguns all the time.

[bitter turtle]

are you from the past

recon lasgun is literally the worst vet gun lul

yes there's many viable guns

as in

every single gun except recon

[stuck bridge]

Recon lasguns are the worst. Everything is viable though

[frank ether]

outside of recon lasguns everything is viable

[slow spade]

People just don't realize how absolutely shit recons are

[modest sapphire]

lol why am I seeing so many recon lasguns

[frank ether]

recons you could also say are viable but I dont think stealing all the ammo from your teammates counts as being a viable gun

[bitter turtle]

prob people reading builds from 2 patches ago

[winged rapids]

They are fun to use

[slow spade]

Because people are dumb and don't check their gear

[bitter turtle]

its a terrible gun

its basically inferior to a columnus iag in every way while offering a similar play experience

[slow spade]

The only thing recon has is easily controlled recoil

[modest sapphire]

how is bolter on vet? It's pretty bad on zealot but I was hoping perk support might make it viable

[slow spade]

Which is wasted due to its pathetic output

[frank ether]

I also run out of ammo sometimes on bolter loadout but difference is bolter absolutely nukes everything it touches

[slow spade]

Usable but still bad

[frank ether]

and does like 800k-1m damage on longer missions easily

[bitter turtle]

its more manageable with exec stance for instant swap

right tree can also help assist with reloads

with keystone

but

in the end

its still kinda meh compared to revolver and plasma

[slow spade]

Plasma and revolver are better but bolter is usable

[bitter turtle]

youb asically get better boss killing compared ot them

but in exchange you get a gun that takes 10 years to swap to

so its worse at picking off specials

[frank ether]

I have a very very viable bolter-deadshot loadout that uses shout and focus mark keystone.

[bitter turtle]

which is not a very good tradeoff in bolter's favor

[slow spade]

The swap speed argument lost its value when Fatshark buffed revolver like 4 times and gave plasma a "small buff"

[frank ether]

with deadshot and surgical it has very high crit chance and I basically treat it as a fat sniper rifle

[bitter turtle]

yeah it still outdmges them

but like

[gleaming turtle]

Hey, who wants to see something funny?

[slow spade]

Bolter needs a scope UwU

[bitter turtle]

that only matters for bosses

since all 3 can oneshot all specials at this point

[gusty sonnet]

If we're being honest, if you already got a zealot, it's gonna be a samey experience

[bitter turtle]

or 2 shot

or w/e

[modest sapphire]

next question I have is whether or not melee is usable? not exclusively, but I mean if you're lacking a frontline can you melee or is it as bad as psyker?

[frank ether]

I'd argue revolver and plasma are a little overperforming rn

not bolter's fault

that those two got ridicilous buffs

[bitter turtle]

tbh

the melee on vet is better than the guns lmao

[untold mulch]

Why my columnus autogun goes to china and back

[frank ether]

bolter can still have 1m damage games without starving your team off of ammo

[delicate estuary]

bolter is very good if you ignore all the people meta slaving away using only revolver and plasma

[bitter turtle]

i dont use revolver and plasma tho 😔

[stuck bridge]

Melee is fine. A good power sword is crazy devils claw best aside from that. Can handle hordes without backpedalljng

[modest sapphire]

what makes it better

[gusty sonnet]

Melee build is one of vet's strongest build currently

[bitter turtle]

the good melees are just really good basically

[frank ether]

you get %25 attack speed

[bitter turtle]

like powersword

and right tree keystone is great

[untold mulch]

Melee vet is stupid

[frank ether]

constant %10 movespeed

[bitter turtle]

its part of why revolver/plasma are considered so good

[frank ether]

8 second invisibility

[bitter turtle]

since they slot into that playstyle so well

[delicate estuary]

"We saw our playerbase was having too much fun with melee vet so we adjusted the values"

[frank ether]

I'll be fucking sad if they nerf it

[bitter turtle]

you can melee most of the time and then quickswap to a revolver to pop special and go back to your 25% aspd melee

[stuck bridge]

They nerfed it but added melee spec keystone

[delicate estuary]

its more likely they nerf it than remove 20 points from the tree

[frank ether]

Idk what you could remove from right tree its full of good stuff

[modest sapphire]

thanks for the responses

[bitter turtle]

skirmisher/exploit weakness is a rather

meh line

but yeah everytthing above it is great

[slow spade]

Remove the pointness stat nodes

[bitter turtle]

and below it

[frank ether]

exploit weakness.. could be better

but its not the worst thing either

[bitter turtle]

it snot

i usually take skirmisher though

[delicate estuary]

does anyone really enjoy 50% extra suppression to enemies ?

[frank ether]

I guess if it was more reliable I'd like it more

[bitter turtle]

and even then i dont love it

[delicate estuary]

I thought the point was to do damage

[bitter turtle]

left tree

[untold mulch]

Exploit weakness stealth nerf hurts me

[bitter turtle]

has so much garbage

[slow spade]

The only good stat nodes on right is the +10% melee and +25 toughness node

[frank ether]

left tree is sheer garbage

and its just a few strong things holding it all together

[delicate estuary]

specify ?

[bitter turtle]

the best nodes are literally right at the beginning at least

[trim hemlock]

No, but FS doesn’t really seem to want to scrap things they initially put in the trees.

[serene bough]

Left tree definitely needs some love

[stuck bridge]

15% elite damage though

[frank ether]

left bottom row stinks so bad

[bitter turtle]

shocktrooper/suppression immunity are both very situational and a lot of guns dont care about either

[untold mulch]

Sharpshooter vet THE POINT OF THE CLASS

Is the worst part of the tree

[frank ether]

like all the way down to volley fire is good

[slow spade]

To be fair, Superiority Complex is pretty good

[frank ether]

and then you maybe take precision strikes / deadshot

[slow spade]

But that's about it lol

[soft hound]

quietly sits in corner and plays with my volley fire

[bitter turtle]

+ammo is not an issue for most unless you dont take survivalist ig or something

[frank ether]

after that the tree stinks

[bitter turtle]

and yeah

[delicate estuary]

suppression immunity is useful when director decides to spawn 20-30 gunners

[serene bough]

Elite damage is good for some weapons

[bitter turtle]

if you make it down to superiority complex

THAT is good

yeah

but like

damn that's a lot of wasted points

[slow spade]

Yeah...

[frank ether]

yeah

[serene bough]

But you gotta go all the way down the tree to get it

[frank ether]

so many wasted points just for superiority complex

[stuck bridge]

Volley fire plasma is legit cracked. One 1-2 tap everything

[bitter turtle]

i only find it useful for specifically sniper guns like hb3 and vraks7

and even then

if you ask

[slow spade]

I miss when "fuck ogryns" and superiority complex were right next to each other :c

[bitter turtle]

if i could swap it out for something else

i'd do it in a heartbeat

[frank ether]

like yeah fatshark I need %25 ammo on my survivalist/shock trooper lasgun build smh

[bitter turtle]

and yeah the wierd part is

the guns that like going left tree

are the exact ones that give 0 shit about more ammo

[frank ether]

^

[slow spade]

Indeed

[delicate estuary]

dunno been running full left side and hasnt felt that there are any wasted points for the sharpshooter playstyle. The biggest issue with left side is that you dont have points for any substantial TDR

[soft hound]

TDR?

[slow spade]

Its the opportunity cost

[delicate estuary]

toughness damage reduction

[stuck bridge]

Nah you take it to elite damage and theb go mid tree. Capstone is a trap

[slow spade]

By themselves, they're fine

[untold mulch]

Giving water to a pool

[bitter turtle]

i go left too for vraks7 but its more b/c nothing else is good in other trees for that playstyle
im not exactly happy about taking useless nodes like 25% ammo and meh nodes like suppression immunity

[delicate estuary]

I would like to use a keystone since they were added

[slow spade]

But when you give up Iron Will and stuff

It really hurts

[serene bough]

Keystone aren't really worth it

[stuck bridge]

Melee spec only one worth going

[serene bough]

Maybe only the right tree is

[mystic belfry]

They are in the right build

[slow spade]

The only keystone I like is the ping keystone

[frank ether]

my helbore with like 800+ ammo, shock trooper and survivalist lmao

[serene bough]

Middle and left are pretty mediocre

[untold mulch]

Giving water to the ocean*

[bitter turtle]

i like all 3 keys now for the most part, as long as it fits the gun

[frank ether]

please I just want superiority complex

[bitter turtle]

left key is not hard to keep up with the right guns

[gusty sonnet]

Sad thing is we're probably never getting left side love because it's probably very good on lower difficulties on their metrics

[frank ether]

please

[slow spade]

So much stat buffs with the mid keystone

[frank ether]

no more ammo

I beg you

[bitter turtle]

but really

just swap out the ammo AT LEAST

give me something else

[stuck bridge]

Maybe uou can run boss damage build with ping keystone + kraks and boltgun

[untold mulch]

Middle keystone is good

left in paper is very good, but unless you are already full on headshot playstyle is very unfun to play

[mystic belfry]

Middle is a tone of toughness generation and left is massive dps with the corrects guns

[delicate estuary]

dunno homies I been running mk12/bolter with full left tree just fine

[serene bough]

I wouldnt say massive dps

[slow spade]

Its team-wide damage + toughness & stam

[stuck bridge]

Sadge

[slow spade]

Its kraked

[bitter turtle]

i mean

[serene bough]

Its enough dps to make certain weapons reach a breakpoint

[bitter turtle]

im running full left on vraks 76 and doing great

[mystic belfry]

Columnus marksman is very high dps

[bitter turtle]

im js

its still a very meh tree

[stuck bridge]

Oh god don't tell me you are putting more than 1-2 points in the keystone

[bitter turtle]

i only run it to hit breakpoints because elite dmg affects gunners and the other trees don't have anti-gunner shit

[untold mulch]

I always find amusing the best way to use left keystone

is with magdump guns

design team

[delicate estuary]

dunno I still find it a fun tree cause you trully are not allowed to make any mistakes but I would like to have access to iron will at least but its not possible currently

[mystic belfry]

2 for ping

[serene bough]

That's because the columnus is carrying

[bitter turtle]

idk i dont take iron will now on any trees anymore personally

so i dont mind that part

but if they swapped ammo with iron will

[mystic belfry]

The capstone and the toughness/stam node

[bitter turtle]

i'd take it

[slow spade]

Lol its bad if you don't

[bitter turtle]

the ammo literally does nothing

for left tree-leaning guns

[slow spade]

"Its bad" -> doesn't invest

[mystic belfry]

Also works well with some other things like las pistol

[slow spade]

Who could have guessed

[untold mulch]

nodes for ping keystone is VERY good

[delicate estuary]

well given the fact I run deadshot I opt in for stam delay node instead of 10% DR and the only DR I get is a 5% node and ET

[frank ether]

the nodes are what makes ping stone good

[bitter turtle]

i also take stam delay

[mystic belfry]

Only the toughness one

[slow spade]

Like yeah you need to invest lmao

[bitter turtle]

i mean im same as you it sounds like

i only run exhilirating takedown for toughness

[slow spade]

+12% damage teamwide is insane...

[bitter turtle]

its fine enough

[mystic belfry]

The other two are negligible

[mystic belfry]

Nah you should be spamming ping except for bosses

[bitter turtle]

just as i said, literally anything would be better than that ammo node right now

[slow spade]

The damge one is the best lol

[bitter turtle]

i'd take a blank 5% ranged dmg

[nimble sentinel]

Can you tank damage reliably without it? Cause my build could use some more points and the Adeptus Administorum is monitoring my points accounts for tax fraud and points laundering

[bitter turtle]

lol

[slow spade]

It stacks off itself

[stuck bridge]

Guys I'm not saying take the keystone with 1 point, just pointing out its not worth it even if it only cost 1 point. Spending 2+ in it uou lose so much

[mystic belfry]

You should never have 8 stacks except between clear spots

[slow spade]

So its always 8 stacks

[delicate estuary]

oh my god guys middle keystone is good but so is a knife zealot or an ogryn that can infinitely stagger a boss

[willow badger]

is ET worth if i'm going down voc and weap spec

[bitter turtle]

idk this is my opinion

in auric mael

[serene bough]

It works with many weapons but the problem is the tree itself isn't providing that substantial of a benefit. The weapons themselves are good and slightly benefit from certain perks like precision strikes and shocktroop

[bitter turtle]

you either

are at good toughness

[honest shadow]

steals your ammo

[delicate estuary]

dunno I personally feel like vet is a class iwth no identity atm

[bitter turtle]

or you are at 0 toughness because your toe touched fire

[slow spade]

No you should always have 8 stacks. It builds up

[bitter turtle]

i stopped running iron will a long time ago

b/c of that dichotomy

[willow badger]

yea i'm either running full toughness or i have 0

[willow badger]

and m yhelath drops in like 5 sec

[stuck bridge]

I identify as plasma turret

[untold mulch]

Vet is a shooty class

Where all the shoot talents are treated like shit and all the melee talents are treated like royalty

[honest shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-darktide-ryback-gif-27166387

[bitter turtle]

if anything i'd rather take CK over iron will to restore toughness faster after it drops to 0 if you want more defenses

[delicate estuary]

a shooty class that gets outclassed by all other 3

[nimble sentinel]

fair nuff, thanks for the input fam

[bitter turtle]

being able to top yourself off quickly after a bomber or flamer inevitably tags you is huge

[slow spade]

Iron Will is pretty good compared to Demo Team so I take Iron Will

[delicate estuary]

why shoot the shooters when a psyker can press venting shriek with soulblaze through a wall

[bitter turtle]

i feel the opposite actually

[slow spade]

But if I used Shredder nades maybe

[bitter turtle]

i love demo team

oh

that's why

lol

nvm

[slow spade]

Yeah

[serene bough]

Not necessarily true

[slow spade]

Its just that I use kraks lol

[serene bough]

Ranged vet still outputs great ranged dps

[delicate estuary]

the only useful thing that vet has is VoC every 10 seconds or less

[bitter turtle]

yeah that's fair, I can see that. kraks have been less and less useful since the tree coming out imo

[slow spade]

Demo Team team-wide buff when? UwU

[delicate estuary]

yea but damage does not matter

[serene bough]

?

[delicate estuary]

everyone has infinite damage

[slow spade]

They're good for plasma and revolver to save anmo and fuck bulwarks

[bitter turtle]

mostly b/c they keep upping horde sizes

[gusty sonnet]

scavenger aura too

[bitter turtle]

so the relative value keeps dropping compared to shredder

[slow spade]

But otherwise yeah :c

[serene bough]

I dont understand why damage doesn't matter

[delicate estuary]

ammo grows on trees even without aura

[frank ether]

ammo should have been like, way up there

[stuck bridge]

Plasma can double tap bulwark what u need kraks for

[serene bough]

You can put lots of ranged dps out and easily compete with other classes

[slow spade]

6 ammo vs 0 used

You can just not waste your time

[hoary stratus]

why is the shredder so strongly preferred? does it have a larger radius than the krak?

[slow spade]

And it can kill multiple

[delicate estuary]

you have ogryn and zealot that can deal with any target they want and a psyker that requires 0 aiming and has infinite AOE

[stuck bridge]

Kraks take 3 times as long and are also a resource....

[untold mulch]

Ammo should be a single point pick for most builds

Why the fuck the Veteran is not packing extra mags?

[frank ether]

Its on the way to survivalist

[bitter turtle]

kraks are basically very small aoe but magnetizes and oneshots big dudes

magentizes to carapace mind you

shredders are horde control, very wide aoe

[gusty sonnet]

bacuse krak got nerfed and the crowd control of shredder is appreciated when facing 12 ragers

[serene bough]

You can do the same with a lasgun

[slow spade]

Sorry I have nade regen and I can kill another bulwark while waiting

[bitter turtle]

they dont do the biggest damage but they inflict knockdown

[serene bough]

I mean you need to aim

[bitter turtle]

and i dont think krak got nerfed

[delicate estuary]

yea with a lot more effort required for minimal utility compared to what other classes can bring

[bitter turtle]

its just its relative value dropped

[slow spade]

You don't just stand there after throwing a krak lmao

[delicate estuary]

sure big dps nice but thats about it

[stuck bridge]

Bro you can run jeans if you want but it sounds like you just ha e bad aim

[untold mulch]

This, shredder CC is very good for emergencies

[bitter turtle]

horde sizes have only been increasing since the talent tree patch

[slow spade]

Na sounds like you have bad resource management

[hoary stratus]

hm, guess I'll have to try shredder out then

[bitter turtle]

which makes shredders more and more valuable

[stuck bridge]

They lost like 2k boss damage that's about it

[willow badger]

do u guys really need nades to kill bulwark?

just like...go around them and hit them in the back

[delicate estuary]

shredders just offer more utility than kraks and I personally prefer them

[serene bough]

Big dps, stealth revives, toughness regen and stagger, excellent grenades with multiple utilities

[bitter turtle]

o i missed that I guess

[slow spade]

You save time

[stuck bridge]

Because I shoot all the bulwark and don't run out of ammo?

[serene bough]

Vet does a lot

[bitter turtle]

i praised kraks a lot on the talent tree release since the stunlock on bosses was great at the time i felt

but with how big the hordes get nowadays, its hard to justify anything except shredder imo

[slow spade]

Compared to me saving ammo and killing 2 bulwarks at once, yes

[nimble sentinel]

I find this is true only so long as you have a carapace-piercing gun, and I like running infantry lasguns. Need dat krak

[bitter turtle]

after patch 14 i feel like you see like packs of 20 ragers now often

and kraks are sadly unable to do anything to them

[slow spade]

You can stick scab ragers with a krak

Which is funny

[serene bough]

I prefer kraks to shredder

[nimble sentinel]

most ragers are dregs

[stuck bridge]

I've stopped running grenade talents at all on plasma
Just pick up frags because they are above survivalist.

[frank ether]

Almost like chaxe was supposed to fill this niche or something

except it sucks

[untold mulch]

I need the Hellgun to solve that issue 😔

[delicate estuary]

every class has big dps so thats a moot point, stealth revives every 30-40 seconds but could be less depending if you havec access to the talent, stagger is the only relevant part here and grenades of which only 1 is really useful. In comparison zealot can have permanent uptime on stealth during hordes without sacrificing much and I am not going to compare VoC to ogryn or zealot setups regarding stagger

[slow spade]

I use shout so its mostly just very convenient to get the nade regen

[frank ether]

chaxe has been awful for as long as I remember when will they improve that thing

Idk there was ever a patch where it was good

[ebon umbra]

chaxe looks ugly to me sorry

[bitter turtle]

yeah dont get me wrong, krak can stunlock a boss for like literally 10s+ esp with shout

your team can basically just unload on a monstro free of pressure

[nimble sentinel]

BuT tHeRe'S aLwAyS pOwErSwOrD mfers taking the wish.com lightsaber cause they hate melee

[bitter turtle]

but i just find them less of a problem compared to ridiculous hordes now

[slow spade]

Chainaxe barely got buffed in patch 13 :c

[frank ether]

psword does anti-carapace better yes

chaxe just sucks

[stuck bridge]

They should make chain axe kill everything in one hit for a patch

[nimble sentinel]

dodge like the average walmart shopper and need to hit a button to do anything

[slow spade]

To be fair, the bayonet build feels like "I hate nelee" lol just spam 1 button constantly

[delicate estuary]

also not sure why we bitching about carapace but I can do 620 damage headshots on crushers with full marksman stacks

[nimble sentinel]

imma stick to my shovel

[delicate estuary]

on a MK12

[serene bough]

Your argument is not very convincing. Vet is easily competitive with other classes. Scavenger aura alone is equal in utility to other classes imo

[odd sparrow]

with how slow it swings that might barely pull it to s tier lmao

[serene bough]

We can agree to disagree

[stuck bridge]

Plasma can drop crushers with headshot + a crit rn

[slow spade]

Its fun playing a support vet and seeing the other classes go ballistic

[delicate estuary]

yes that and VoC but thats about it. Rest of the kit can be ignored in comparison to what others give

[serene bough]

Do not agree

[frank ether]

and you all want voc nerfed now cause it actually does something lmao

[slow spade]

If you're not literally the only reason your team has survived, you should try pugs UwU

[ebon umbra]

what

nerf voc????

[slow spade]

VoC needs a buff

[odd sparrow]

yeah support vet is strong as hell. the tag keystone for +20% dmg almost permanently for your entire team is amazing

[bitter turtle]

they already nerfed voc

[slow spade]

3 sec cd pls

[bitter turtle]

50 instead of 100 toughness

[delicate estuary]

I primarily only play pubs what are you saying

[frank ether]

not enough it should take away 50 toughness on activation grrr

[delicate estuary]

I just odnt use shout cause I find it as boring as bubble psyker

[serene bough]

VoC is good where it is currently

[slow spade]

Then idk how you don't feel like the only reason your team has survived

Vet is insanely strong

[ebon umbra]

i dont think VoC needed to lose the 50 toughness but meh

[delicate estuary]

because I can do the same shit on other classes for less effort

[ebon umbra]

i also like the triple digit over double

[bitter turtle]

ur right

[slow spade]

It constantly feels like "man if I go down, this entire team is dead"

[bitter turtle]

because you scared your teammates

it made them spooked and they're not so tough anymore

[untold mulch]

Imo to my knoweldge

Support Vet can do very good force multiplier
Melee Vet is just dumb + revolver silly
Marksman vet has overtuned guns compensating how badly thought it feels like

[frank ether]

''VoC stun op'' mfs when smite psyker stuns the entire map for 30 seconds

[stuck bridge]

It's basically the same effect as before. The only thing that it changed is you can't completely tank a burster anymore

[delicate estuary]

yea I dont run smite for that reason

[slow spade]

To be fair, no one uses VoC for the stun

[frank ether]

and ''50 toughness op'' mfs when bubble shield makes cover irrelevant

[bitter turtle]

yes you can

im still doing it

without iron will too

[slow spade]

You still can

[ebon umbra]

just shouting at bursters instead of doing the stupid shove game is nice too

[frank ether]

I dont care what people run it for I want them to stop making these arguments for why it needs this and that about it nerfed

[slow spade]

I use VoC to facetank bursters occasionally be ause its funny

[frank ether]

just leave it alone

[slow spade]

Ah then yeah I agree VoC is fine atm

[ebon umbra]

why would anyone argue for a voc nerf??????

[untold mulch]

I like the wall shield

[ebon umbra]

who ARE these people

[delicate estuary]

only reason why people say nerf it is cause the other options require more investment in comparison to something that only requires 2 points

[slow spade]

Because VoC is a crutch tool

[frank ether]

its better but that takes some brain cells to use lol

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

if you want proof

you can see the ppl that got hit took 0 dm g

[frank ether]

improve the other options then

[untold mulch]

Right, so 90% of PUG out

[ebon umbra]

just don't take an ult

[slow spade]

I wish we could get the hp upgrade that dome gets

[frank ether]

I need to invest 2 points to make volley fire worth using

thats not shouts fault

that they nerfed the fuck out of volley

[untold mulch]

and you still have no DR reduction

[slow spade]

Volley Fire is a crutch tool UwU

[untold mulch]

Watch FS add a toughness buff to Volley Fire

[ebon umbra]

weapons are a crutch tool owO

[untold mulch]

and then add it as a node

so you have 3 taxes

[slow spade]

True

[bitter turtle]

that'sthe big thing about shout tbh

[stuck bridge]

Volley fire is fun

[bitter turtle]

you only need to put 1 pt into subtalents

[ebon umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/fma-fullmetal-alchemist-armstrong-bromance-viril-gif-16049606

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate needs like fucking 2 minimum

if not 3

same with exec

[frank ether]

you know what else is fun? having talent points

[slow spade]

Shout also is in the best spot to be easily reached

[untold mulch]

I onyl feel like Infiltrate I only need the -90% threat

the rest I can go without

[bitter turtle]

overwatch is really good tho

[untold mulch]

I take +30% damage though

[slow spade]

Imagine if Survivalist was also in the middle 😩

[odd sparrow]

talents are kind of a crutch if you think about it 🤔

[bitter turtle]

and also

[untold mulch]

Play Auric at level 1

no crutches

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate suffers in popularity

[stuck bridge]

I use it for plasma build. Dropped keystone and grenades. Wrecks everything

[bitter turtle]

because its below smoke nades

[delicate estuary]

playing the game in abeta state for a year is the real crutch

[bitter turtle]

so not only do you need to dump 2-3 extra pts in subtalents

[ebon umbra]

having the game installed is a crutch tool and i am right and you are all wrong vet chat is closed permanently goodbye all

[vapid marsh]

hello fellow veteran players. anyone got a good support build w plasgun and chainsword?

[bitter turtle]

you ALSO have to pay a 2pt tax to even reach it if you didnt want to take the fucking smoke grenades

[nimble sentinel]

I'm starting to think survivalist should be a perk point instead of an aura, cause otherwise there is literally no reason to not take it

[delicate estuary]

yea just run VoC and tag keystone if you into it

[nimble sentinel]

the other auras just need less competition and we need to keep what makes us special

[bitter turtle]

that's literally four (4) minimum wasted pts compared to just taking not-infiltrate

i think teh ability itself is actually p good

but man you have to tax yourself so hard to even use it

[slow spade]

I wish they just made it so you kept the basic aura (0.75% ammo gain)

[stuck bridge]

Go frags, survivalist, shout, take mid tree to iron will then go right tree

[delicate estuary]

meanwhile zealot gets cooldown on stealth from backstab kills and crits

[slow spade]

So that way taking the other 2 auras doesn't feel like a waste

[vapid marsh]

bottom right tree doesnt feel like a support build

[delicate estuary]

I run zero cdr on curios and its up every 5 seconds during horde

[slow spade]

God I wish we got cdr on crits

[stuck bridge]

He wants to use chain sword. Nothing wrong with melee talents. If you want to go full support then take smokes lol

[ebon umbra]

bottom right tree has so much stamina potential but i cant access it

[delicate estuary]

what you need stamina for

[bitter turtle]

frags is more support than smokes

unironically

[slow spade]

Honestly smokes are miserable for teammates

[ebon umbra]

rev it up 4 but with stamina

[slow spade]

Can't see shit

[ebon umbra]

i dont need it but i want it

[untold mulch]

I take a lot of tax to use it, and goddamn I feel is wortrh

Stealth saves my ass so much

[bitter turtle]

yeah its actually like

really good

imo

but people meme on it partly because nobody fucking uses it

b/c of how many taxes you have to pay

[ebon umbra]

a rev it up 4 combo + weapons specialist is hilariously micro intensive but got some marathon running vibes

[untold mulch]

Stealth lets me push hyperaggresively like I personally like

[delicate estuary]

would agree if there was more reliable way to get cooldown reduction other than 1 node

[bitter turtle]

every time i think about using it in a build i end up givingup b/c i'd rather not waste FOUR POINTS

lul

[untold mulch]

Someone needs help?

pop infiltrate rush to help

I am surrounded? pop infiltrate get out

though I dont use it if with an ally

because the aggro shift will get them killed 💀

first time I used it

[bitter turtle]

the utility to do objectives is underrated too

[delicate estuary]

stealth is funny on hab dreyko when everyone is ignoring final event scans. Always nice to send 10 ragers to allies just to get the scans

[untold mulch]

I used it and my friend next to me like a

Mf

[bitter turtle]

like your team can just plant their asses while you finish everything

instead of everyon needing to move and then move back

[untold mulch]

I pop it for all objectives

[ebon umbra]

utility to do obj with stealth is the easiest way to do the obj usually but oh god it is not worth that as a talking point imo

[untold mulch]

Use, do the minigame unbothered

[nimble sentinel]

I imagine if you have an IAG with Raking Fire there's value to popping it next to a teammates to take 3 steps away and shred some spines the way our lord and saviour John Moses Browning intended

[ebon umbra]

just pump out more dmg

[untold mulch]

with the 6second reduction per special kill

[delicate estuary]

raking fire

[bitter turtle]

i did

[untold mulch]

I have infiltrate a LOT of itme

[bitter turtle]

but sometimes

https://i.gyazo.com/8086bcea9f5f3b1c5cdb778659411b2e.jpg

[ebon umbra]

also stealth obj isnt gonna help you if you're getting flamed out

[bitter turtle]

even 1.1m dmg

is not enough

LUL

[ebon umbra]

rip

[delicate estuary]

took 1000 years to complete the mission

probably why that wiped

[bitter turtle]

complete?

we lost

[delicate estuary]

yes

[bitter turtle]

and unironically

it was not even b/c we were slow or ppl were bad

it was prob the most fucked up spawns ive ever seen

[delicate estuary]

its always because were slow

[nimble sentinel]

just a darn shame the points tax means I can't take infiltrate and shock trooper

[bitter turtle]

not even a second to breathe

[delicate estuary]

you have 1 million, one is 700k ther other is 600k

I have never seen that high numbers

[frank ether]

probably it took too long

[delicate estuary]

even on a 50 minute melee only run for a maelstrom

[bitter turtle]

this is an outlier for me as well

i unironically think

the director bugged

or something

i wish i recorded the run

lul

[ebon umbra]

its so crazy that when you are rushing thru u can catch lots of enemies off guard but if you're moving slow they just have amazing ground lmao

[frank ether]

sometimes you can't push because the game keeps spawning wave after wave and your team is just not good enough to push

[delicate estuary]

taking it slow is the dumbest idea ever seen

[grand lark]

How do you get this detailed info? I've seen this a couple times and I've always assumed it's a mod?

[delicate estuary]

just adjust to the hordes and boss spawns

taking 10 years to progress is so pointless

[ebon umbra]

at the same time if you dont have the mechanical knowledge to move fast move slow

[frank ether]

tell it to the console premade that flames me for running at the blistering, speedrunning pace of one room per minute

[ebon umbra]

learn the game

[delicate estuary]

usually VoC helps with that

[delicate estuary]

I just ignore them usually

[bitter turtle]

i totally agree with moving briskly

since spawns are endless

just this time

it was uniornically

[delicate estuary]

if I am in a bad mood I just exit mission when I die cuase I have no faith anyways

not wasting 50 minutes

for 800 plasteel

[bitter turtle]

nonstop maulers coming through covered by snipers and bombers at a choke

i dont know how you kill fast enough to deal with that lul

[frank ether]

its dandy and all except playing ''true solo'' would have been easier

[bitter turtle]

had to push through slowly

[frank ether]

since game kinda takes it easy on you if you play solo with 3 bots

[untold mulch]

I swear so many times in T4s+ I get people fighting still for minute

Homie, PUSH, you are getting bogged down

[near sable]

every man for himself

[untold mulch]

Damn speedrunners smh /j

[bitter turtle]

t. knife zealot stealth main

jk

[frank ether]

this is what premades are for

[ebon umbra]

this is why it is t4

[frank ether]

we sometimes play 3 and there will be that straggler 5 rooms behind

[untold mulch]

Sadly only one of my gaming group still bothers with Darktide

[ebon umbra]

• im an ass

[frank ether]

nothing motivates a mf better than ''catch up or boot''

[delicate estuary]

I just let them be

[ebon umbra]

my group came back im lucky

[delicate estuary]

no point in flaming them

you dont gain anything from flaming them

[frank ether]

I'd love to but elevator/checkpoint design disagrees

[stuck bridge]

Need this mod for surge staff

[frank ether]

like if I could I'd just leave them be

[delicate estuary]

I usually make pubs wait when they have unlooted rooms and boxes

trully enhances their experience

[ebon umbra]

sometimes you'll ask people to try something different in this game and they'll get offended you said to do something different and then they flame you

[near sable]

the monkey paw curls

[ebon umbra]

and then they die

[frank ether]

looting really shouldnt take time if the team does a 2/2 split and clears some rooms and yet...

[stuck bridge]

Anyone who flames dudes in chat needs to touch grass

[bitter turtle]

yeah

but you also have the ppl that literally dont open any boxes

[ebon umbra]

thats too much coordination lel

[delicate estuary]

I know and I do it on my marksman focus vet which takes 10 yeras cause I have no movement speed buffs with powersword

[bitter turtle]

sorry but i want my plasteel

[frank ether]

tell me about it with my power sword helbore 3 loadout lmao

speedrunning? Yeah I'm speed crawling

[ebon umbra]

LMAO

[delicate estuary]

hence why I enjoy playing zealot for mat farming

[bitter turtle]

i dont mat farm

[delicate estuary]

so much freedom to do whatever the fuck you want

[bitter turtle]

i cant do it

its too brain numbing

knifelot in normal 5s

its so boring

[ebon umbra]

i only play carnival and 83k maelstroms when grinding

[delicate estuary]

I play auric 5s but I will prioritize mats over protecting the pepegas

[ebon umbra]

i have taken a break lately. am enjoying wiping a lot on extra barrel modifier

[forest blaze]

This offends me

[ebon umbra]

i see we've played b4

[forest blaze]

Lmao

[ebon umbra]

"can you share some ammo please ogryn i am keeping you near maximum ammo with my passive"

and then literally

"all the extra rations belong in my belly"

this isnt a rare voiceline

it is violence

[frank ether]

I think there is a bit of a silent agreement with most people

you'll just clear the big bads and then loot fast

some zealots be like ''oh 12 crusher train? let me just dip for this small plasteel while you deal with it alone''

[forest blaze]

Most games I don’t honestly run into ammo problems with brain dead teammates. People learn real quickly to funnel the ammo to the plasma vet. If they don’t know it right away, it’s a lesson they learn in the first few minutes of the match

[ebon umbra]

let me AGGRO them THEN look for plasteel

[forest blaze]

Infiltrate noises

[frank ether]

I could bitch about bad aggro for years

[forest blaze]

Psyker problem now

[frank ether]

sometimes the enemies in room are nicely together

you're like ''I'm gonna throw 3 frags and it will be beatiful''

[untold mulch]

I usually have in T4s shit plasma gunners

But the one time I had a match with a GOOD one

[frank ether]

and then some rando pokes them all

[untold mulch]

The entire team was a constant

DUDE AMMO HERE TAKE

Go ham homie

[frank ether]

I love those teams when I run bolter

''hey there king, take this ammo''

[forest blaze]

That’s how my games always go hahaha. Everyone just runs and pings ammo for me

“Please shoot all the specials in the zip code”

[delicate estuary]

oh yea if there is high value threats I will deal with them but if its just regular horde with some specials I am gone

by the time they finish killing them I will have looted the other side of the map and come back to do that side

[frank ether]

yea that muchs fair I usually just let zealots do their thing

[forest blaze]

My toxic trait is that if I see someone run solo looking for stuff I assume they’re looking for grimoires and I definitely don’t slow the pace for them in hopes they die before they find one

[frank ether]

grimores are toxic

[untold mulch]

I avoid Grimorie missions like the plague

[frank ether]

if you're playing non auric just pick them and then nuke them

[untold mulch]

There is ALWAYS a window licker picking it up even if we are suffering

[frank ether]

cause your teammates may attempt to hold it

[stuck bridge]

I always look for grimoors. So I can delete them before someone picks them up

[forest blaze]

It sets me off so bad

[frank ether]

same

[rose verge]

My toxic thing I do is blocking people's line of fire if they do it to me enough

[untold mulch]

I see so many low levels going PICK IT and I am like "you dumbfuck don't even know why is that for are you?"

I had a Vet level 20 asking to pick them

[forest blaze]

Lmfao that’s toxic af

[nimble sentinel]

teammates taking grims make me with my commissar cap gave me friendly fire

"YOU HAVE SULLIED YOUR HANDS WITH FILTHY PARCHMENTS OF HERESY, GUARDSMAN!"

[rose verge]

Like I hate when someone edges out in front of you when you've popped CD

[untold mulch]

AND THEN WONDERING WHY HIS HEALTH WAS GETTING CORRUPTED

[frank ether]

kind of a game design issue

[untold mulch]

[frank ether]

if it was a worthy risk/reward situation you'd not feel the need to flame noobs for picking books

[untold mulch]

[forest blaze]

My curios:
+money
-cd
+grimoire corruption resist

[stuck bridge]

Grims should grant you an extra wound and then corrupt it.

[frank ether]

oh yea, I'm also madge

there are two corruption resist stats

for curios

why

smh

[delicate estuary]

so you play for longer

[umbral scaffold]

Ok that’s kinda shitty ngl

[stuck bridge]

Regular resistance better than grims even for grims

[forest blaze]

I take 2 extra wounds like a thiccboi just in case someone trolling with grims

[frank ether]

fsvköldgxıpotjhy

aaa

[nimble sentinel]

remember to treat grims like shoplifters in grocery stores

If you think you saw one

No you did not

[forest blaze]

Good to know

[umbral scaffold]

@stuck bridge if you can’t handle someone picking up a single grim cause you don’t want better rewards at the end then next time just tell them not to pick them up

[umbral scaffold]

I just learn to grow a pair and pick them up

[delicate estuary]

the problem is its not even worth the risk

lmfao

[forest blaze]

Do you actually get better rewards?

[frank ether]

Or maybe have basic courtesy and ask your team before fucking up their hp

[umbral scaffold]

People wanna complain I tell them that’s on them for not telling me

[rose verge]

I always ask at the start if people want to go for the grims, unless it's like malice or less

[delicate estuary]

great 10k more dockets for an increase in wiping

[forest blaze]

It’s not V2

[delicate estuary]

and not even getting 10k

[stuck bridge]

99^% meming my guy chill

[umbral scaffold]

That too I always ask

[nimble sentinel]

I get 10k more dockets from my curios

[umbral scaffold]

Whenever I’m with randoms

[forest blaze]

The answer is “go do norms for that shit”

[willow badger]

idk i've just never wiped out bc of a grimoire

[umbral scaffold]

So why not 10k more with grins ontop

[frank ether]

I finished a damnation game with 60 hp the entire mission because glue eaters picked grims

[willow badger]

if i was gonna wipe with a grimoire we were gonna wipe anyways

[frank ether]

in that situation I'm the nice one for keeping up and playing

[umbral scaffold]

That shows skill there friend

[scenic bronze]

You pick up grims because you want rewards
I pick up grims to look at glowy green lights
We are not the same

[nimble sentinel]

cause I lose a lot more than 10k dockets when the run fails

[stuck bridge]

Only filthy heretics pick up grims

[umbral scaffold]

Ok heretic

[forest blaze]

Your toxic trait has been revealed

[delicate estuary]

dockets are not worht the grimmoire

if grims would give moreplasteel

[slow garden]

Design problem, grims and tomes both need better rewards

[delicate estuary]

then we can have a discussion

[umbral scaffold]

Green light goes bzzzzzzz

[frank ether]

I'd say tolerance moreso than skill

[slow garden]

Be more mad at the poor rewards than the players

[forest blaze]

There is no such thing as flirting with heresy. There is only heresy.

[umbral scaffold]

They do offer at the end when you get your final item reward it adds ontop of that since it’s a side objective

[frank ether]

poorly implemented mechanic even if it had better rewards

no amount of extra dockets will make me consider playing the game at one shot death HP

[slow garden]

I just hope they don't make it near mandatory like it is in Vermintide.

[forest blaze]

I love that FS ditched the loot mechanic in VT2 for the DT mechanic

[umbral scaffold]

Exactly my point

It’s a good option to get

I’d much rather have people give the option to grab it to get extra with extra risk

[forest blaze]

Playing for extra money is for poor people

[umbral scaffold]

Rather then forced to

[umbral scaffold]

Then you dotn farm for 380 items brother

[frank ether]

statistically your odds of earning money is better if you dont take them at all as a random team

[delicate estuary]

^^

[frank ether]

over the course of say 100 missions

[forest blaze]

You literally get tons of $$ form AM/AD with +money curios

[frank ether]

you'll fail a lot due to RNG teammate factor and not having the HP to make ballsy plays

[umbral scaffold]

In terms of survivabilitu then yes I agree

[forest blaze]

Yeah. I almost exclusively play QP. Let’s just finish the mission and go to the next.

[tiny summit]

A failed run is time lost from a successful run. I'd rather not risk with randoms

[frank ether]

In fact just taking ordo gains on your curios would probably outperform it

[untold mulch]

I run Stamina regen, sprint efficiency, and Gunner resistance

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t see a reason in sacrificing a good core perk for my curios to get extra cash I’m not saying it’s bad but I much rather have more oomf in surviving for that

Hell even 2 stacks of 15 corruption resistance is more then enough

[forest blaze]

Totes. Only QP AM/AD means I just want the mission to succeed. I don’t care how

[umbral scaffold]

I have all 17 toughness , 4 combat, 30 toughness regen on all curios

[slow garden]

Toughness or health, toughness regen, and a resistance of choice. Usually sniper or gunner.

[nimble sentinel]

not unless you lose every run over the course of days 😎

I had to spend what remained of my weekend playing valheim

[umbral scaffold]

If you’re losing a lot then join the disocrd here and play here instead

[frank ether]

throwing a single sniper resist in there is nice

[slow garden]

Yep, stops it from completely nuking you

[frank ether]

I dont think it scales multiplicatively

so I dont stack them

[atomic zephyr]

three gunner resists :)

[nimble sentinel]

I also have microphone issues, need a new headset

[umbral scaffold]

I personally never see them as an issue compared to gunners but it’s still good

[tiny summit]

Fail enough AM runs you still make more money than those stuck at malice

[slow garden]

Huh, good question, idk if its multiplicative either

Might not be

[forest blaze]

Lmao

[umbral scaffold]

I never go back to auric missions

[frank ether]

Nothing in this game is a problem on its own

but you're not playing a 1v1 game

[umbral scaffold]

Tried them it’s decent but not my cup of tea

[frank ether]

eventually you'll get grabbed by a mutie and that sniper will hit you

[nimble sentinel]

this is true but I also got to set up a carrot farm and mine more copper, so in the end I did win

[umbral scaffold]

I’m playing a 1v100 game yes

[spark helm]

Anyone here use weapons specialist? Trying to confirm something.

[frank ether]

most often people die over a single error causing a wombo combo from enemies

usually because of disablers

trapper or mutie combined with sniper/bomber

[tiny summit]

A high AM run that fails with some ordo boosts will make at least like 60% of a standard Damnation

[forest blaze]

The mutie flamer burster trapper cluster fuck

[slow garden]

For me it's almost always mutie

Er

Trapper, sorry.

[frank ether]

there is nothing your teammates can do to save you other than shooting them pre-emptively

[slow garden]

Some guy overextends, or gets trapped and slammed by a mauler

Leading to a failure cascade

[spark helm]

Unsure if I'm using it wrong or if it's not working properly. Basically I'm not getting the same fluid exchange between melee and gun specialist. I always have to go back to melee in order to actually buff my gun and gun doesn't give me any stacks.

Is there something I'm not understanding?

[umbral scaffold]

Generally my enemies thay kill Me more often is two, ragers and bombers

[tiny summit]

Darktide: things go south very, very quickly

[forest blaze]

Melee specialist doesn’t have stacks but ranged specialist does

[umbral scaffold]

Crushers maybe but my build sufficed them a lot mroe now with the new skill rearrangement

[frank ether]

ragers are easy once you learn their pattern

but they are silent

[spark helm]

Oh. Ohhhhh.

[frank ether]

which can be dangerous

[slow garden]

The sound cues do need some work imo

[umbral scaffold]

Tell that to a. Vet that has to deal with three in close range

[delicate estuary]

get stacks with melee kills then get a single stack with a single ranged kill. Swap between the 2 depending on what you need. If you need more melee damage do a swap get a single kill go back to melee get some melee kills swap to ranged so on and so forth

[umbral scaffold]

Unless he is melee build

[frank ether]

you can if your melee game is good

[umbral scaffold]

My main sniper build works well

[slow garden]

Ragers should raar, the mutie should be less overwhelmingly loud

[forest blaze]

Yah. So when you melee you’ll generate stacks for your ranged weapon. When you kill with the ranged weapon you’ll just have the buff ready to activate for melee

[slow garden]

Special spawns should be louder

[tiny summit]

Only noticing the incoming horde has 8+ ragers when it's 3m from your face

[umbral scaffold]

Doesn’t take away they delete your health a lot

[frank ether]

ideal to play the dodge game against ragers or have a lot of block efficiency

[spark helm]

Got you. Was using it wrong.

[forest blaze]

Infiltrate noises

[spark helm]

Was straight up losing my mind.

[umbral scaffold]

My sniper build doesn’t have that , that’s my point

[delicate estuary]

"GOING STEALTHY" smoke pops

[umbral scaffold]

I can kill at range easily

But melee is an issue

[frank ether]

Thats something you should fix then

I run mk6 powersword with some block efficiency curios

sometimes devil claw for the parry

shovel also good as it has like 5 dodges

and its heavies are fast

[nimble sentinel]

and bonk

[willow badger]

i might whip out the shovel just to mix it up

[umbral scaffold]

I do fix it

[willow badger]

ps6 kinda boring after a while

[umbral scaffold]

It’s called dodging

Doesn’t take away they are my main nemesis

[frank ether]

you can snuck in melee hits while dodging

[umbral scaffold]

Just pointing it out

[nimble sentinel]

shovel is so good, like the middle point between dclaw and caxe

[frank ether]

that way you can kill them one by one

3 ragers, just dodge weave and thin them

[umbral scaffold]

Dude you’re not listening to me I told you I can but unless I am my melee vet they deal more damage to me

[frank ether]

or dodge-shoot with certain guns works

[umbral scaffold]

I know how the game works dude

I keep repeating myself to you

Over and over again

[tiny summit]

Helbore mk1/2. Stab will stagger ragers

[frank ether]

Can you not dodge/block on ranged vet lol

[umbral scaffold]

I do that exactly

[tiny summit]

Ah

[umbral scaffold]

Doesn’t mean I won’t get hit by his other two guys

Ragers patterns are noticeable yes

But they are in packs

[delicate estuary]

I kinda wish we could dodge forward somehow

[slow garden]

Horde + Ragers can be troublesome, especially flak ragers, since they're so dark they blend in

[umbral scaffold]

So I can only do singular at a time

[tiny summit]

Stab harder

[slow garden]

Really hope the visual design of the elites and some sound cues get updated

[umbral scaffold]

I do it harder

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-fenix-fortnite-gears-of-war-dance-emote-gif-26121914

[bronze atlas]

If ragers don't punish you for getting in melee with them what will

[tiny summit]

This is cursed

[delicate estuary]

kinda why I like executioners stance

[frank ether]

I'm just trying to be kind to you

[mystic belfry]

Shovel is a great option for melee with minimal perk support

[slow garden]

Thats fair

[frank ether]

normally I just pull skill issue card when people complain about ragers being impossible to melee

[slow garden]

Exe stance comes surprisingly in handy on Aurics

[frank ether]

I teached a psyker yesterday

that they can bash

[mystic belfry]

Exe is solid

[frank ether]

they didnt knew they could bash

[slow garden]

I still run battle shout

[delicate estuary]

they are not impossible but they offer no player interaction other than running out of their engagement range and abusing that window

[slow garden]

But may try Exe Stance again sometime. I worry too much for my team.

[delicate estuary]

thats why I prefer VT2 ragers over what we have

[frank ether]

yes, or you shoot them

[delicate estuary]

yea

[atomic zephyr]

exe stance with columnus goes hard
plus, it always feels good when you hit F and the screen lights up

[delicate estuary]

still player interaction is missing there

its not an interesting mechanic

its an annoyance

[frank ether]

The window is tiny but its there

annoying I agree but hardly impossible

[mystic belfry]

Ps6 can kill ragers in the small openings you get

[frank ether]

the only thing missing in my book is audio ques

[delicate estuary]

PS6 can perma stagger

[frank ether]

they shouldnt be silently approaching player

[mystic belfry]

Cancel charge and push attack

[delicate estuary]

which is what makes it good

[grim walrus]

Skull of the day, Like the devils claw sword

[slow garden]

Agree, Plush

[mystic belfry]

Don’t need to stagger them

[frank ether]

ps6 can perma stagger yes which is a bit cheesy

[delicate estuary]

^^

[frank ether]

but it also loses energized if you get hit

[slow garden]

Eh, cheese schmeesh

[mystic belfry]

Not stagger

[delicate estuary]

stagger is the important bit

[slow garden]

There's a lot on the table to deal with

[delicate estuary]

anything that can stagger ragers is good

cause you don thave to run away

[mystic belfry]

I mean you can safely share cancel and push attack as needed to kill them

[delicate estuary]

you can just straight up kill them

[frank ether]

you either go for stagger or dodge plays

[slow garden]

Feeding the nuke nade ogryn grenades is arguably a lot cheesier

[delicate estuary]

you dont push attack them

just charge lights

[empty creek]

not damnation im pretty sure

[mystic belfry]

You can do it without needing an opening

[delicate estuary]

you can even tank a hit and as long as you get 1 light off

they die

caus eyou perma stagger them

[mystic belfry]

Why tank a hit?

[empty creek]

holding the parry w/ a dclaw & waiting

[delicate estuary]

cause you dont always play perfect ?

like huh?

[frank ether]

d.claw is a lot safer

zero risk rager clear

[mystic belfry]

Don’t tank a hit by safely charging and using push attack…

[empty creek]

dclaw is a lot safer & has the added bonus of being able 2 protect from crusher / mauler overheads

[frank ether]

ps6 strong but you'll make one mistake and they'll turn you into sliced ham

[delicate estuary]

you can get hit by adjacent ragers if you dont manage that properly mid parry

[grim scarab]

I just have been finding rager's design such a downgrade from VT2 berserkers since launch

[delicate estuary]

it is

[mystic belfry]

Your reduced block cost will tank them fine

[delicate estuary]

implying I use such a dead modifier as block cost reduction

[empty creek]

U R more likely 2 clutch a horde solo using a dclaw rather than a ps solely BC even playing perfectly w/ a ps won’t save U from tight hallways

[delicate estuary]

just charge dodge and do lights

I need to spam more dclaw honestly but I cba atm

psword just simpler to use

[slow garden]

Psword and Dclaw are very close, really up to preference imo

[delicate estuary]

entire point of dclaw is being able to parry

[umbral scaffold]

I know

[delicate estuary]

and cannot be bothered right now

[empty creek]

dclaw heavies + well timed parries will never not work, i definitely prefer dclaw though

[south garnet]

what, hallways crammed full of hard targets are the ballinest place for a PS

[willow badger]

i still can't really manage rager packs well with ps6