veteran-class

[celest vine]

Cause shock trooper actually works with it

[devout atlas]

Idk why they ever nerfed Shock Trooper

Recon wasn't even OP with it prenerf

It was just

useable

[frank ether]

something something nerf recon

[devout atlas]

for the first time in many patches

[frank ether]

they nerfed literally everything that synergized with recons

[devout atlas]

it's so weird

[frank ether]

nothing was spared

[devout atlas]

like

even back then

Recon was just

ok

it was good

so were other options

[junior needle]

Shock trooper does work with recons still, it's just only on the first crit on the string. So it has massively reduced effectiveness even without factoring the crit string reductions. 1/5 as good on the 6d now.

[devout atlas]

such a headscracher man

[celest vine]

As far as I can tell, if you use the high damage one, you can still get shock trooper to work with it

By tap firing

[frank ether]

tap firing a recon...

[devout atlas]

Of course, add more gimmicky bullshit to Vet

Deadeye was already annoying enough

[frank ether]

sharpshooter vet not a rubic cube gimmick bs enough as it is

[devout atlas]

stand still to get damage stacks

[frank ether]

manage volley fire manage deadshot manage marksman stacks

[junior needle]

It works with all of them, it's just hard to see because of faster fire rates

[devout atlas]

do a tiktok dance for ammo

[junior needle]

see here

[devout atlas]

Vet is so exhausting to play

[celest vine]

I had a 4 man veteran squad on a maelstrom

[devout atlas]

meanwhile Zealot you just go kill shit

Psykers gimmicks make sense

[frank ether]

meanwhile gunpsyker I press a button and I have damage and crit chance now

[devout atlas]

Ogryn is Ogryn

[frank ether]

its that simple

I press a fucking button

[celest vine]

We kicked massive ass because using guard tactics actually work

[devout atlas]

Vets gotta jump thru hoops to do what other classes do as a passive

[wanton dawn]

Try the bayonet build. It is straightforward

[devout atlas]

No other class has as many "% chance you might get something" talents dawg

[celest vine]

Guardsmen build is straight forward enough

[devout atlas]

The closest you get is Warp Charges THAT ARE GUARANTEED ON ELITE KILLS

[humble meteor]

just ignore keystone 🙂

[celest vine]

Bonus crit chance is good

[frank ether]

just ignore all the nerfs that happened for keystones 4head

[celest vine]

I crit every other shot with it

[celest vine]

Recon lasguns should be burst fire

[junior needle]

eww

[celest vine]

Infantry lasguns should have select fire

[devout atlas]

Just a reminder Psykers have this talent, while Veterans have to do a Tiktok dance with their dodges for anything comparable, or suffer from arrhythmia, anemia and a stroke using Deadeye for something barely as good.

[celest vine]

Like they do in lore

[junior needle]

Wouldn't be any reason for recons to not be select fire as well then

[frank ether]

give kantrael las burst fire while at it then

[devout atlas]

would be cool if Recons just became 1 gun and you could cycle thru 3 power modes

[devout atlas]

there is a burst las in lore lol

it fucks

I would love it

[junior needle]

People would just use the best one

[cerulean void]

I really do wish we'd get a variable fire rate lasgun

[frank ether]

I'd love some burst fire lasguns

[celest vine]

Deadeye is nice, more accurate Mg1A or MG12

[devout atlas]

gee it's a good thing they're perfectly balanced being split into 3 different weapons then

that's certainly better

[celest vine]

And it synergies well with the blessings I have

[frank ether]

Idk why they have like 3 semi auto variants

[cerulean void]

swapping from single shot to burst for a heavy target?

[frank ether]

its all samey and boring and kantrael might aswell be unusable without full auto mod

[celest vine]

Lucius lasgun makes sense to be semi

[frank ether]

2 hours into a session and my fingers are hurting

that cant be good for long term health

[junior needle]

They just need to make them actually distinguished and also not dogshit. I KNOW they can do it, like with the headhunter autos or the helbores.

They're choosing not to

[humble meteor]

quick say the words

[celest vine]

Wait until you see laspistol gameplay

[humble meteor]

immeasurably comp-

[celest vine]

Some guns can stay bland

[devout atlas]

or lasgun shotguns

[celest vine]

Infantry auto and Lasguns are okay with being the basic “do nothing special” guns

[devout atlas]

I want a hivegang lasgun that lets you set it to stutter-las mode and magdump like a boltgun

[junior needle]

I mean, IAG's are actually finesse weapons with fairly high recoil as opposed to generic assault rifles

[celest vine]

They dont do that at all on console

[junior needle]

I agree that not all guns need specialty gimmicks though and you can have more generic stuff

[celest vine]

The bullet magnetism is so intense the high recoil does not matter

[junior needle]

[teal abyss]

Why does the Helbore just feel like miles better than any other ranged weapon? Even without the lasgun crit perk you like never need ammo in damnation and compared to the revolver having to constantly jam in 5 rounds it just seems way faster too

[junior needle]

It's a very strong gun line, only downside is the swap speed

Also surgical is nuts and shock trooper with it is even better

[bright coyote]

at like level 5 i tried the helbore, felt that swap speed, and wrote it off as trash for eternity

[teal abyss]

God I love surgical, that feeling of charging up a shot and aiming for a couple seconds at the reaper or bulwark you’re about to one shot

[cerulean void]

with how bayonets are right now, helbores are lit af

[humble meteor]

been noticing some charging issues with the 2 since the new patch tho which ruins the shooting a bit for me

[junior needle]

I assume fatshark has weapon analytics, and their only thought to the helbores having a comparatively low playrate is that they're weak. Not that they have a niche playstyle that can feel very awkward to use. Therefore they must constantly get buffs despite being much better than many other guns.

[bright coyote]

yeah i agree. my issue with the swap speed is exactly that, my issue. i know its a great weapon

just too slow

[humble meteor]

tbf the other gun options are insane rn

[junior needle]

Well, some are. Ciag, revolver, plasma

Graia and agri iag are meh though, same with columnus and graia brauto

There's a few standouts in other lines, but it's hard to find other lines where all the guns are consistently good

[cerulean void]

columnbr needs one less bullet per kill I make lol

then it would be good

[humble meteor]

just gotta wait for heavy plasma variant 🙏

[junior needle]

Still waiting for the hotshot volley gun

[humble meteor]

part 2 patch surely

monkeys paw would be its a new twinlinked ogryn gun

[cerulean void]

I need my heavy laspistol variant

snipers fear me, commissars want me

[bright coyote]

i don't know if it would make sense, but i would like to see a m1911 pistol or something like that

[cerulean void]

stub pistol lets go

[junior needle]

Pretty sure there was a stub pistol that looked exactly like one in a codex at some point

I remember seeing a picture of it

[cerulean void]

somebody has it somewhere round here

[junior needle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Stub_gun

[bright coyote]

gimme gimme

[cerulean void]

the blessed 1911 as crafted by Archmagos Browning

[quaint valve]

Not sure if it has been brought up yet. But supposedly marksman focus keystone includes old camo expert threat reduction

[junior needle]

Yep, someone mentioned as long as you have one stack

So that one talent that gives stacks is great

[cerulean void]

camouflage?

yeah literally crouch and get infiltrate's -90% threat

[languid escarp]

wait what

that seems important

[quaint valve]

Yes although this is just one person's look at the code, not sure probably need more testing

[cerulean void]

any threat reduction for a vet is great

but if it's a full 90% reduction for just having a single stack, damn

[languid escarp]

how is threat generated

[thick rose]

if it is, how has nobody noticed when playing?

[languid escarp]

is exhilarating takedown fixed yet

like truly fixed

[sharp ember]

feels damn good when I run it, so yeah

[topaz lance]

Can it replace confirmed kill?

[bitter turtle]

yes

as long as you shoot heads ofc

[sharp ember]

Or run both, since Close Order Drill is connected to CK

depends on how much you want

I've been wading into shooter rooms fairly comfortably with them together + Iron Will

[topaz lance]

too starved for points to try this unfortunately

[versed merlin]

how dumpy is mobility? 🤔

[jaunty lantern]

Is stopping power important on a Columnus inf autogun? I wanna go for a weakspot crit build with either it or the Helbore Mk.3 and am not sure which one to go. Should I roll for a Helbore or do I keep the great Columnus I have with a 50% stopping power and everything else above 70?

[cerulean void]

you can inspect the weapon to look at the stat breakdown

stopping power's kinda important imo

[sharp ember]

that'll only BE* a problem when you're trying to dodge while shooting, so you could try playing around that limitation

[bitter turtle]

stopping power's important

bu t you can run onslaught to amke up for it

[sharp ember]

replace it when you can tho

[versed merlin]

got it ty fren

[dapper vessel]

You lose a Dodge at below 50% mobility but this is the bolter anyway so it shouldn't matter much

[humble meteor]

id say keep the columnus unless you want the elephant gun experience

[wild lantern]

wait, bolter player dodge ?

[jaunty lantern]

With the Helbore it's a must to take executioners stance, no? For that 100% headshot crit?

[humble meteor]

with the 3? only for 1 shot breakpoints on ogryns iirc

[bitter turtle]

Eh

It's not a must

Honestly the instant swap is nicer than anything else for taking exec lol

[junior needle]

executioners doesn't give you crit chance last I checked

It's just more damage

[jaunty lantern]

I know, it's more for the one-shot-kills

Should I instead run something like a power sword or a catachan sword for horde safety/rapid swap?

[junior needle]

Ah, the question was a bit unclear, my bad

[bitter turtle]

I run it with power sword for horde clearing

[junior needle]

Those are both very good weapons

Of course you could just do the bayonet cheese

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

If you're wondering what the cheese is lul

[sharp ember]

it even makes the mk3 bayonet decent

[jaunty lantern]

Wish I could watch that xD

Stuck at work

But when I return it's Krieg time

[rugged goblet]

I run executioners stance because I can't make out enemies otherwise

[languid escarp]

imagine if executioner stance marking all ranged and special+ enemies for team work with middle keystone

[stuck bridge]

Imagine if stance just highlighted stuff and didn't require 4 extra points lol

[jaunty lantern]

I mean, now it's length is tied to how many highlighted enemies you kill, no? I tested it out a bit and on some chains it recharged before the previous activation even ended

[languid escarp]

stance should highlight stuffs and modifiers should give like piercing bullets

or something

so Ogryn doesnt screw up my ability

[north raptor]

yea wtf is with that design where nothing is highlighted

intensely frustrating

[jaunty lantern]

Buffing it even slightly would kinda screw up the whole purpose of the ability, no?

It becomes more useful the more shooters and specialists there are

[north raptor]

obviously but the frustration is the tax

[spark helm]

If you're really all that down for critical strikes doubling down into the left tree usually gives the breakpoints. Idk what your build is or what others runs but I don't think you have to invest super heavy into left tree to get breakpoints for aurics

[languid escarp]

ok either that guy who said left keystone gives you -90% threat is lying or I'm generating 10 times more threat than my team

[north raptor]

it should either be a targeting aid or not—not needing 4 points to give it comprehensive coverage

[spark helm]

You might be doing it at the wrong times.

The lowered threat works consistently for me.

[north raptor]

threat reduction is an infiltrate thing.

[spark helm]

Idk the full range of behavior but on average I'm not getting aggro

I've been helping friends level so I've been on lower difficulties lately but when I'm popping infiltrate and getting out, I'm usually positioned inconveniently for goons to be forced to path if it doesn't work. Running weapons that excel in suppression is another thing you can try passively with stealth builds for added defense.

Assuming you're not drowning in carapace goons or something g

Or getting hit by moves that you're in the path of.

I finally got a columnus that's solid. Nothing great for the blessings by their tier alone but it works. Has suppress on close range kill iirc. In dense hordes I can just make a slowly bulging hole in hordes and the ms with it isn't bad at all.

Add that with the minus threat and weapon specialist and it's a banger.

[forest breach]

PS silly

[gentle prawn]

im just gonna assume the rest of the team was holding hands and jumping in circles

[scenic bronze]

[warm idol]

so if I wanna use the funny helbore melee

[gentle prawn]

mk2

[warm idol]

do I just grab any weapon with limp/bm?

[warm idol]

does it matter even

the mk1 and mk2 melee is the same

afaik

[gentle prawn]

reckon the bigger bayonet does more damage

[bitter turtle]

They aren't talking about infiltrate

Supposedly marksman focus keystone has the old threat reduction effect tied to the stacks

Supposedly

According to someone who looked at the code

[gentle prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-goofy-donald-duck-the-code-cowboy-gif-21968255

The Code

[gleaming turtle]

Anything I can do to improve this?

[twin kettle]

Do I need to place the deployable for this to work or can anyone place it?

[gleaming turtle]

You

It's trash, skip

[lilac vigil]

it works for all

[mild relic]

if you deployed, yes for all
if not, you can take you own anyway

[still flare]

Taking bad nodes...in this economy?!

[tall torrent]

As long as anybody in coherency has this upgrade, everybody benefits from it

It’s an extremely clutch node in the right circumstances

[languid escarp]

It’s good if there is the modifier that gives +2 nades and there is an Ogryn using nuke

[frank ether]

I think it doesnt affect corruption from being downed

[languid escarp]

[celest vine]

Its always a “fuck yeah this guy has it” node

[tall torrent]

It heals up to the nearest wound

Like zealot aura

You can’t rinse corruption beyond the current highest wound

[celest vine]

Its such a clutch thing and dopamine producing thing to see equipped on an ally

[frank ether]

well no wounds for me

I dont get enough free stats to casually throw wounds in my build

[languid escarp]

Field Improvisation is super trash if someone picked up a Grimoire tho

[celest vine]

But god, refreshing grenades overshadows it hard

[mild relic]

But in this moment, that's not a good option.
Couse FS just nerf max deplorable in map
basically 2 ammo box and 1 medic pack is maximum number that can be found

[tall torrent]

Not exactly
It allows u to heal back up to full 1 wound if the grimoire corruption makes u go under

[celest vine]

This is also one of the few games where grenades are useful too

[frank ether]

at this rate shredder frags will start to heal enemies next patch

and stun your allies

[celest vine]

Theyre still good

[muted knot]

Whaaaaat, I think the very niche buff that sometimes helps is much better than getting a free grenade ever 60 seoncds which allows you to just delete a caprice enemy /s

[frank ether]

they have been consistently getting nerfed

[celest vine]

Clutch at massive hoard clearing

[frank ether]

every patch

need 2 to even kill a single poxwalker

[languid escarp]

What if field improvisation just give you a freebie deployable instead would it be worth it

[celest vine]

But the 1 makes them made of paper

So powersword can just cut trough them

Unpowered mind you

[tall torrent]

I think it should extend the max heal amount from medkits

[celest vine]

Also grenade tinkerer can make the frags kill with 1 if im not mistaken

But thats a 2 point tax im not paying

[frank ether]

I'm not taking grenade tinkerer on a sharpshooter vet

I cant even afford grenade regen if I want keystone lmao

[tall torrent]

Tinkerer is a hard 2 point justification in most builds that use frag

[quick burrow]

Just go all in shredder pick up onslaught and let the bleed proc the debuff and feel like a god!!!! For like 2 seconds then your outa grenades

[celest vine]

My current build only lets me take the spot keystone

With no upgrades

[frank ether]

Its also a dick move

that they keep nerfing nades

[quick burrow]

Im going no keystone mk5 auto build and its rockin now

[celest vine]

Only ogryn, zealot, and psyker are allowed blitz’s that can one hit whole hoards

[quick burrow]

Screw keystones just like before

[celest vine]

[languid escarp]

It feels weird playing other classes and having to think where to put your spare talent points

[celest vine]

Theres a node that grants +50% supression

[junior grail]

Add more taxe points to other classes.

Balanced

[languid escarp]

Ranged

[quick burrow]

I dont have that issue on psyker i want the goodies but sadly i miss maybe 1 node of something 😦 its a pain i never feel on my vet

[celest vine]

I dont want to suppress my enemies I want to fucking kill them

It arguably hurts you to take that node

[languid escarp]

There is a blessing that make suppressed enemies take more damage

[quick burrow]

Because on my vet i miss out on 50% of the things i want so its less painful than missing out on one

[celest vine]

Its only 20%

[languid escarp]

And well, ogryn aura I guess

[frank ether]

you know what else makes enemies take more damage?

headshots

so stop fucking suppressing them

so I can hit headshots

[celest vine]

💀

[tall torrent]

We need to remove headshot stagger on gunners

We as a society need to accept that gun headshots staggering gunners is cringe

[celest vine]

Stagger is good sometimes

[frank ether]

at least psyker smite stuns them in place so you can run up and butcher them saving ammo

[celest vine]

Very rarely tho is it useful

[tall torrent]

On a ranged weapon against melee enemies, yes
On a ranged weapon against ranged enemies, no

[frank ether]

Its useful for sharpshooter vet

very rarely do I get to trust people to watch my back for 0.2 miliseconds

[celest vine]

First shot is a better blessing than no respite

[frank ether]

I'd care about no respite if it had bigger numbers on it maybe

too situational

[celest vine]

Im running this build

Works well with my guardsman playstyle

[delicate estuary]

right side keystone vet very fun have to say

[frank ether]

Its the most consistent keystone in terms of letting you solo carry games

[celest vine]

I just dont have the points for keystone upgrades

[frank ether]

focus mark good and all but if your teammates are potato tier buffing them aint doing much

[celest vine]

Paired with these weapons

[delicate estuary]

I usually run marksman focus so was a nice change of pace

[sand oracle]

It works for every placeable, as long as you have it - anyone's kits will work with it. Very very strong pick, and anyone saying otherwise is doing a bit.

[frank ether]

after hearing its pretty much camo expert on steroids

I gave it a try again

[delicate estuary]

its hard mode vet imo

you have literally no defensive options other than ET

[earnest dew]

Why buff my team when I can buff myself? /s

[frank ether]

I still think its silly that stacks are lost by moving instead of missing shots

just really bizarre but then again for the billionth time its the brain child of camo expert gamers

[delicate estuary]

the thing I like about stacks is that even if the uptime isnt always there the stacks will always be useful when they are needed

aka there is enough situations where you can max stack with camouflage

2 headshots and stand still for 2 seconds

and you are at max almost

[frank ether]

the threat reduction thingy is

more valueable

than the entire keystone

for sniper weapons anyways

[desert isle]

what’re the ideal revolver blessings

[delicate estuary]

yea I run exe stance marksman focus so no threat reduction for me @frank ether

build is super squishy but very rewarding if you can pilot it

[frank ether]

keystone has it built in

apparently

if you have any stacks at all you're given %90 threat reduction

[sharp ember]

have you felt the purported threat reduction yourself

[frank ether]

or so is the rumor anyways

[sand oracle]

The old camo expert is supposedly baked into sharpshooter keystone?

IDK about that one...

I'll have to try it out

[sharp ember]

I have never heard anyone notice it before that claim was posted

[frank ether]

I just had this game today where trains of ragers and crushers ran past me in a tight staircase lmao

[sand oracle]

^@ Guardsman

[sand oracle]

Ragers have priority targets, like trappers and dogs.

[frank ether]

turned brain off and shot

though I'll give a highlight to these teammates

[sand oracle]

They will ignore you if they didn't spawn 'focus' you.

[frank ether]

they were very nice

666K damage

this is proof camo expert is evil

I have math to back up my argument

[sand oracle]

What argument, and what math?

[sharp ember]

if it's anything like classic camo expert, it should allow us to stand in front of a horde and melee with no risk by dumping all the aggro on our allies

[sand oracle]

^

[sharp ember]

should be easy to observe

I'll try to see it for myself sometime

[frank ether]

I need more testing

I'm not %100 sure and I was eating that game so didnt pay much attention

I need teammates that wont run off to test it

[sand oracle]

Camo expert was for all things. Like I said, a lot of single target elites and specials will focus on people. Ragers focus people who are closer to their spawn, typically... And will only change focus after a certain amount of damage.

[frank ether]

ragers and muties tend to obsess over you

sometimes even when invisible

and not drop focus til their attack is done

[sand oracle]

Ragers and muties will /always/ pick one person.

So using them as evidence that camo expert exists is not good evidence.

[spark helm]

It's mostly consistent. Only times when it won't really work is if you've already hit it as something is fully committing to a swing. That's been the case for a while. Bonus points if there's someone close to you, you poof, the target switches and you haven't moved at all yet.

[frank ether]

I've also seen crushers run past me

[cerulean void]

do I swap out surgical to get a chance at IV or do I take it as is and keep upping

[frank ether]

I regret not recording it now

[sand oracle]

Executors also like to focus one person. Have you seen bulwarks do it?

[sand oracle]

Like I said, most single target elites and specials will focus people

Ragers are just the most 'focus' of the elites, and dogs and trappers are the most 'focus' of the specials.

Bombers, flamers, bulwarks, gunners are the only ones who don't have a tendency to focus.

You'd be better off observing whether or not shooters or hordes focus others over you when you're right there.

and even then, it has to be a big group because sometimes they'll do it anyways.

[frank ether]

I feel like talking will only lead to nitpick and guesswork

[sharp ember]

important what were you eating

[frank ether]

I might aswell record a game

[sand oracle]

Did you have a gaming chair?

[sharp ember]

keep as is, don't make any changes yet

[frank ether]

veggie spagetti with meatballs

[sharp ember]

were the meatballs also veggie

[frank ether]

non

[spark helm]

They wouldn't be "meat"balls at that point would they?

[sharp ember]

alright

[cerulean void]

unarmoured III and infernus III

[frank ether]

also going overkill on garlic with the tomato sauce makes for a really good sauce

[cerulean void]

never enough garlic

[spark helm]

That's cuz there's no such thing as garlic overkill

Lies made by big flavor

To keep you closed off

[frank ether]

yeah and pretty healthy too

[sand oracle]

Yeah, no such thing as too much garlic.

[cerulean void]

do I swap unarmoured to +flak and infernus to onslaught?

[sharp ember]

alright Infernus has got to go to make way for Onslaught. After that you can pick either perk to change to Maniac

[desert isle]

mk1 helbore or mk2?

[cerulean void]

mk1

[sharp ember]

Depending on your talent setup, your Unarmored would let you keep 1 headshotting dreg gunners

[desert isle]

may i ask why?

[frank ether]

If infernus was spicier for helbores I'd consider it tbh

[gentle prawn]

i can see surgical and infernus stacking pretty well

[frank ether]

in theory yes but in practice infernus doesnt add too much

[cerulean void]

I'm trying to do a tanith inspired build and I'm doing combat knife + infiltrate, already stacking bleeds with knife

[gentle prawn]

idk im just built different

[cerulean void]

infernus would just mean another dot

[sharp ember]

more shots downrange is just more useful

[frank ether]

especially with the gunner hordes yes

[cerulean void]

it's true, more shots at full power

[sharp ember]

infernus only racks up on like bosses

[frank ether]

but even against like bosses or ogryns

faster refire still more useful

the burns dont affect your time to kill in the end

[spark helm]

What gun are you running?

[frank ether]

talking about helbore mk3

[gentle prawn]

give chip damage while running for your life

[frank ether]

and general lasgun usage

[spark helm]

Been experimenting with a lot of infiltrate since I've been loving it since it became real.

[frank ether]

I think the only case for infernus is... recon las?

like its low enough dps that infernus might help

[vital saddle]

good on the 1a as well

[spark helm]

Wouldn't know. I don't run infernus yet.

[cerulean void]

I've been running overwatch modifier cause damn it's way more useful to just have it when you need it

[frank ether]

I tried helbore 3 with no respite, infernus, onslaught

[spark helm]

Infantry lasguns don't need it but I'm sure they feel nicer with them.

[frank ether]

surgical is always a must have for me

but I experimented with different blessings on second slot

[spark helm]

Is infernus proccing only on crits or something?

[vital saddle]

allows some 2 tap kills on ragers even with scuffed perks

[sharp ember]

yeah that's what it does

[spark helm]

Flak ones or all? I usually can 2 hs them

[vital saddle]

and if u crit u can get some 1 tap body shots on most specials

[spark helm]

Idk my breakpoints shit just happens.

[frank ether]

Its 4 stacks of burn on crit for helbores and infantry las

[elder python]

would u say pinning power is mandatory here? the perks kind of suck 😦

[frank ether]

so no crit no infernus

[spark helm]

Gor you

[vital saddle]

typically more the default ragers not flak all that often but u can just do headshot crit body shot so on so forth

[spark helm]

Got you.

[vital saddle]

when u proc the burn it just allows u to body shot for saftey

[spark helm]

Mm

It's typically a two shot for me out of exestance

[sharp ember]

i'd change both perks, your blessing setup is fine

[junior needle]

Infernus is generally not recommended on infantry las, or anything but recons and laspistol (due to its very high innate crit rate).

[spark helm]

But my stance pops usually last minutes on higher difficulties since I'm playing cookie clicker at that point

And I'm cycling them almost constantly on better auric runs.

[vital saddle]

never us exe stance alway voc for me 😄

[junior needle]

In general the only justification for it on infantry las would be if you're taking onslaught (talent) as the burn applies stacks

[spark helm]

Couldn't be me.

[frank ether]

maybe it should apply 6 stacks on crit for infant las* and helbores

[spark helm]

I hate voc.

[frank ether]

so with 2 crits you cap it

[spark helm]

I want to be free of kruber.

I can't keep going back

Idc if the dick is good.

[frank ether]

sorry not recon

meant infantry las

[vital saddle]

not played my 1a that much since the tree rework

[gentle prawn]

I can usually tell when a wave is about to spawn behind because i've just started using exec stance

[vital saddle]

but with the new focus target u can hit all the old 2 tap breakpoints anyway

[junior needle]

That'd make it better, but the problem with it is that those guns are usually prioritizing one shot/headshot tactics and thus even with more stacks it's a nonfactor for most things.

If I can kill in two crits anyway, that infernus isn't doing dick

[spark helm]

I run exestance with yellow ping just because. In normal 4s and 5s I take the full highlight cuz...yeah mfkers sometimes need extra help even after all this info dumping I'm doing off of my f key

[frank ether]

It would have its use if the burn was enough to finish off breakpoints that are just shy or if they had better penetration

[vital saddle]

i just put on collumnus and proceed to murder everything before its a problem

if they cant see a crusher nothing is saving them

[junior needle]

Eh, relying on the burn to finish off targets will be very inconsistent. You could just take another direct damage blessing so you don't miss it altogether.

I think the dots should have better pen though

[frank ether]

Just trying to brainstorm some ideas to put value into DoT blessing

[spark helm]

Yeah that's fine. I clear shooters before engagements settle on average. For newer players or just ppl I'm not really trusting will be on task with stuff that matters more in the moment, I just give them the information while yellow pinging ogryns or something. Makes it a lot easier to know where the slack will get picked up by me kind of thing.

Only recently got a columnus

Loving it but I run it more on infiltrate builds because I just won't play titanfall.

[frank ether]

either giving the infernus penetration or letting it proc on nearby targets when infernus debuff target dies could be interesting gameplay

or it could be overpowered/underpowered, Idk

[junior needle]

An old idea of mine was that infernus could consume its remaining stacks on kills and do some kind of aoe explosion/dot transfer to another target.

[frank ether]

yeah exactly what I had in mind

[eager patrol]

i guess this one is bricked?

[frank ether]

thats a cool idea

and it could be visually expanded on

just turn enemies into red mist

[spark helm]

Still sick over seeing posts about how yellow ping isn't worth it because "it's hard to keep pinging with high stacks".

[vital saddle]

not really u can put a close dmg perk on it and put maniac on it

and keep stripped

[junior needle]

But then it'd be 3/4 scuffed, you can salvage it though

[vital saddle]

2nd perk on collumnus really doesnt matter tbh

[junior needle]

Ranged spec> maniac
Probably punishing to dumdum

[spark helm]

You could do a galaxy playstyle with weapon specialist lol

[vital saddle]

most of the time ur bursting stuff before it gets anywhere near u just those few moements a muty get close dum dum just helps u shred em

[spark helm]

Reload after every Salvo then swap to melee.

[frank ether]

2 of the 3 keystones for vet are strong for the reasons you won't notice by just reading the keystone description

[junior needle]

Another simple adjustment would be to just make it apply stacks on non-crits and more stacks on crits.

[spark helm]

I just can't be told that putting witch hunter ping on mercenary Kruber as anything but a boon. Fuck a max stack, you know? Bitch ping--PING! Always ping when you can.

Where my head was at at the time.

[frank ether]

I'd like that, yeah. I mean I'd also like deadly accurate to apply a smaller damage buff for non crit headshots, but thats just the opportunist in me.

I guess it doesnt need any help the same way infernus does though

[vital saddle]

the amount of people i have had with left click ping this patch makes me wanna mute my game

[wanton dawn]

Alright, my best overkill dmg so far is 900k+

[spark helm]

Idk anything about that but I do think it's funny that has been a thing.

[frank ether]

I ping what I shoot at for visibility reasons alone

the outlines makes it much easier in darker maps

playing years of fps I'm just addicted to Q spam

[spark helm]

Oh absolutely. One of the best things is outline ping as a mechanic for specials, elites and monsters is great. Can't not see it at that point unless maybe there's vision issues or something and that's different at that point.

[low wadi]

why does it feel like columnus mk v does more dmg than brauto? even tho it has half dmg?

[vital saddle]

just can get very annoying specially when the game sometimes overwrites the focus ping

[frank ether]

I play helbore and things are far away sometimes

its not exactly easy to nail headshot after headshot when you're shooting at ant sized targets through cover and stuff

but one tag and the head outline is now clear

[vital saddle]

but also when people have eyes and just see a giant red skull on the enemy sometimes making it harder to kill them

just kinda wish i could disable them tbh

the pings i mean

[delicate estuary]

I just exit mission when I get the vet that pings targets every millisecond

[quick burrow]

Mk5 Columbus is bis

[delicate estuary]

its like they use an autoclicker

[frank ether]

they bind it to lmb probably

[spark helm]

That's some other shit.

[frank ether]

easy to solve with a small cooldown added to it

[eager patrol]

i did know a few people that bound it to a mouse macro that spams it

[delicate estuary]

until they add a cooldown

I will just exit mission

its far simpler

[vital saddle]

its just people binding ping to fire button

[delicate estuary]

I know what it is it doesnt make it any less annoying

[spark helm]

Yeah no they don't need to do a cool down, just not allow it to be on primary fire bindings.

[quick burrow]

First people say no one pings enough then when people ping 300 times in 10 seconds all of a sudden its to much

[delicate estuary]

then you have people putting on an autoclicker macro @spark helm

just add the damn cooldown

my ears

[vital saddle]

is when it makes a horrible noise when pings are done

[spark helm]

There's a difference between reasonable pinging and the spammed ping. That's actually annoying and for some, that's worse than annoying for any kind of sensory shit

[frank ether]

vet chat

[vital saddle]

occupying more audio samples a game has issues with

[frank ether]

I'm thinking of making an axe

which one is the better one again

[spark helm]

Idk

[frank ether]

was it rashad

[spark helm]

The thick one

[quick burrow]

Atrax mk 5 is considered bis

[spark helm]

I think

[quick burrow]

Rashad is okay but weaker moveset arguably

[low wadi]

u guys think colomnus mk or brauto is better?

[frank ether]

I want limbsplitter&bromentum axe

[quick burrow]

Column is bis

[vital saddle]

rashad requests ur location

[delicate estuary]

only one option and that is the chain axe obviously

fucking heretic

[spark helm]

Columnus is solid.

[frank ether]

I need it for helbore bayonet dfvkgds

[spark helm]

Period.

[frank ether]

It wont see a lot of use

[delicate estuary]

making a weapon for a mechanic likely to get nerfed

[frank ether]

if chaxe had bromentum I'd make one

[delicate estuary]

[frank ether]

I'll enjoy it before its gone

[quick burrow]

Chainaxe makes its own momentum

[frank ether]

when its nerfed I plan to drop helbore altogether

[quick burrow]

With slaught and headtaker combo

[spark helm]

I like Chainaxe but don't like the commitment on revved attacks in hot moments.

[wanton dawn]

Just make a whatever axe and put bm and limbsplitter on

[vital saddle]

shovel go brrr

[low wadi]

mk v?

[delicate estuary]

this

[spark helm]

But that's just those weapons, nothing else really to it.

[spark helm]

Yes.

[delicate estuary]

just run +2 stam and sprint efficiency on the axe

like a chad

[spark helm]

Sprint on Rev is crazy actually

[wanton dawn]

If you have perks available, +2 stam and carapce

[quick burrow]

Infested unyielding for axing those beasts questions

[wanton dawn]

Cuz bayonet has a hard time vs carapace

[delicate estuary]

?????????

why woujld you bayonet the carapace

[wanton dawn]

On the axe

[spark helm]

Someone showed off some video that speaks to the contrary. Idr how they did it.

[quick burrow]

To show it whos boss

[spark helm]

But the bayonet fucks now

Lol

[wanton dawn]

On helbore you put unyielding and 2nd might vary

[vital saddle]

helbore just goes based on the mk

[spark helm]

Genuinely hilarious.

[wanton dawn]

Mine is unyielding+maniac. Blessing are whatever

[solemn niche]

in case you missed it

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/184a6fr/marksmans_focus_is_the_new_camo_expert/

[vital saddle]

mk1 is typically elite + flak i think it was mk2 is crit chance + mutant and mk3 why would u use mk3

[solemn niche]

tl;dr marksman focus has hidden camo expert baked in as long as you have at least 1 stack

[vital saddle]

likely a bug tho right xD

[solemn niche]

it seems to be intended, the guy who discovered it found the same exact code used by camo expert

[wanton dawn]

"intended"

[spark helm]

Could be one of those things that they just allow to be as is.

They've done it before.

Positive oversight kind of thing. Idk

Throwing stuff at the wall

[solemn niche]

time to play camo expert and let the psyker handle all the ninja crushers

[vital saddle]

tried the perk a few times but more weakpoint dmg on something like a helbore or even a lasgun in general just doesnt really help it personally

[junior needle]

Rof and headshot damage

[spark helm]

This game doesn't have sam fisher jockeys like l4d2 they gon b fine lol

[low wadi]

Rof?

[vital saddle]

only thing i liked about markmen is the toughness regen

[junior needle]

rate of fire

[frank ether]

bayonet time

[solemn niche]

honestly this sudden revelation that focus gives you camo expert is enough to make me consider it

[low wadi]

oh yeah maybe, was thinking maybe dumdum had something to do with it too

[vital saddle]

just still lacking something to me over other nodes u can get in other trees

like iron will so on

[spark helm]

Iron will only finds itself in my talent setup when I want to play infiltrate.

It's definitely nicer especially with exhilarating takedown working now.

[vital saddle]

isnt that still bugged xD

[wanton dawn]

no more

[spark helm]

No it got hotfixed.

[solemn niche]

fixed it in latest hotfix

[vital saddle]

about fucking time

[spark helm]

It's stupid in combination with everything like it was before.

And again, makes middle tree builds even safer than they already are

[vital saddle]

then ye ill do marksmen helbore/lasgun again

[solemn niche]

have you tried columnus left tree ? the focus stacks give it better breakpoints on pretty much anything

[vital saddle]

nah still use middle tree

like my nades more

[spark helm]

You can still dip into them.

[vital saddle]

bleed nades grenade tinkerer feels much better imo

[wanton dawn]

I am still not convinced that exil takedown is useful in pratice

[spark helm]

At least for 60 nade and 5% dice on spec/elite kill

[prime vault]

Middle tree is safer. Who cares if you need an extra hit if you survive so much better?

[spark helm]

People that want to be even safer

[vital saddle]

born leader with all the toughness recovery in the middle tree just makes more sense

[spark helm]

And for people playing with the talent that gives everyone toughness off your toughness generation.

[wanton dawn]

That would rely on the idea that born leader is somewhat good

[vital saddle]

and with 8 stacks u get dmg bonus with focus target maxed to hit very good breakpoints

[spark helm]

Which one is born leader again?

[vital saddle]

share toughness in coherncy

that u earn

[wanton dawn]

you ally replenish 15% of the thoughness you recover

[spark helm]

Yeah that one is good wtf? Not as a standalone

[wanton dawn]

It is trash

[spark helm]

Okay. :^)

[vital saddle]

i find it nice tbh 😄

[solemn niche]

very small chance to brick, i'd say go for it

[spark helm]

I just watch people's toughness jump up no matter that when I take it in combination with the other coherency radius friendly perks.

[sick cedar]

🙏

I've been looking for a good headhunter for a while and got this as a mission reward

[spark helm]

Just turn the squad into a mistake manager

Closest thing to a combat medic in this game with how I play with it.

[vital saddle]

its more a value over time if i can avoid it i would for more nade stuff or takedown or even onslaught but i just cant with the current skill tree

so even it its a matter of 15 toughness to allies

[spark helm]

I would say that it's not an interesting strategy though unless you like microplay

[vital saddle]

that can mean fully recovering their toughness to survive a pox burster

when my voc is active

[spark helm]

Yeah, that's one of the goofy utilities of voc.

Mistake manager

Or director denier kind of thing.

[vital saddle]

was much stronger before tho

[spark helm]

To me it's meaningless.

Veteran is already a cornerstone of design space for this game and middle tree just mostly focuses on providing you with things that make that passively strong presence veterans have even stronger.

They could chip away what efficacy as much as they want, the game itself as it works can't allow middle tree veteran to fail overall.

[vital saddle]

i mean thats a no diff argument with exe stance tho being able to see litterally everthing

[spark helm]

That's what I'm saying.

Veteran is literally the center of this game's design floor.

[vital saddle]

had a few people get upset with me when i naded 4 chaos spawns 2 ogryns and shouted them all off the map

[spark helm]

That gives it a stability that's only overcompensated and outpaced by classes that focus harder into other branching forms of play and all

[vital saddle]

but im like i could have done the same thing as ogryn

[spark helm]

Precisely.

[frank ether]

what do ppl run on this thing again

[spark helm]

Ogryn is the one that's going to have on average all the means to be immediately efficient at crowd control requiring more stagger breakthroughs on average since so much of the class just has it.

That and firepower from what I've seen and been told with certain popular builds.

[muted knot]

I think people just don't run this thing

[cerulean void]

is there a major role difference between the mkI and the mkIII helbore?

[muted knot]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

mk3 hit harder but slower

[muted knot]

Mk1 shoots fast and hits less hard

[wanton dawn]

Mk3 is basically big game hunter

Sadly, it also has the worst special

[junior needle]

They don't run it at all because it's TRASH

[karmic musk]

Does this really work? I didn't notice enemies running past me with Focus stacks

[fervent quiver]

I want me mk2 on the mk3

I want to krieg even more

Wait, kriegs would just pick mk2

[serene sage]

Also ladies and gentlemen

[wanton dawn]

I dont know krieg, I just know how to make a silly bayonet build

[fervent quiver]

Silly ah ee bayonet charge

With a shovel

Tis the krieg

[wanton dawn]

I think we have different definition of silly

[fervent quiver]

My definition of silly is bringing in my bayonet build into auric

[wanton dawn]

Mine is making it working

[near sable]

weapon training for bayonet crits

[fervent quiver]

Did you just finesse the entire build?

[near sable]

WHAT THE

[junior needle]

It benefits from certain blessings on your melee weapon, resulting in ridiculous damage output

[karmic musk]

Welp incoming hotfix

[frank ether]

yeah I can see why

[serene sage]

Wtf

[junior needle]

You can get mediocre clear if you stack power blessings and only use heavy attacks

But it has slow heavies

It's just not a good weapon

[frank ether]

why are the light attacks

revving

[karmic musk]

Slow and with the range of an Axe

[dark sorrel]

Literally what

How

[dark flower]

i love reddit misinformation spreading like wildfire and confusing people:))))

[wanton dawn]

I am cheating obviously

[frank ether]

its not even a cleave rev its just locking on a single target

[near sable]

it's backwards from the usual chain archetype

[fervent quiver]

My favorite is still shanking a vrusher for 50 damage each

[dark sorrel]

[junior needle]

limbsplitter and brutal momentum on the melee. It apparently benefits from but does not consume the limbsplitter.

[fervent quiver]

And getting that stupid crit multi that is inherent from the helbors

[near sable]

I remember when chaxe could ohk crushers

[dark sorrel]

You would do that? Spread misinfo on the internet?

[near sable]

[dark sorrel]

This is so sad

Who does that

[wanton dawn]

Seriously though, the build breakdown is here https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ab4625e-17ea-4457-a4bb-b7d6ad8d3e18/melee-bayonet-veteran-1212

[fervent quiver]

No fucking way

[frank ether]

why doesnt this get a rework lmao

[fervent quiver]

Surgical still applies?

[frank ether]

Its kinda sad

let crab have its way with the chainaxe please

[karmic musk]

Next week tm

[frank ether]

like I actually really enjoy the overal look and sound of it

but its kinda doodoo

[fervent quiver]

Who decided to make surgical apply for stabs

[tall torrent]

What perks do I want on a DC sword

[wanton dawn]

I don't use surgival for stab

[fervent quiver]

Well then... time to waste that 1k plasteel I had lying around

[tall torrent]

I already have 20% unyielding on

And it’s a mk1

Because hadron bricked too many DC swords I had

[wanton dawn]

The build is pretty low cost all thing considered cuz you only really need 2 locks per weapon. The rest is luxury

and limbsplitter works at any rank

[frank ether]

would be a nice suprise but all I expect are more nerfs

[fervent quiver]

Wait, does melee weapon stuff apply to the shank?

[frank ether]

they'll nerf power sword and sell it as chaxe buff probably

[karmic musk]

This bayonet thing is getting hotfix for sure at least

[tall torrent]

Not most of them, only a few

[wanton dawn]

Wrong people answered, sorry plush

[frank ether]

You could remove powerswords from the game and I dont think I'd touch chaxe

[wanton dawn]

Yes, that's the whole point

[fervent quiver]

...just give me a a damn power bayonet

[tall torrent]

Anyone?

[frank ether]

limbsplitter not expiring is silly

[sharp ember]

Flak + Maniac/Unarmored

[tall torrent]

I can only get one

[frank ether]

bromentum on bayonet has been a thing for months I think

[sharp ember]

then flak

[frank ether]

but you never had this many different sources of damage to stack for bayonet

[serene sage]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/9PuPgJ1LBF

Thoughts?

[karmic musk]

Doesnt work

[dark flower]

misinformation

[wanton dawn]

That's fine, marksman focus is still crappy

[serene sage]

Okay

[frank ether]

my thoughts are that I sleep

[dark flower]

scrapped idea

not active

[serene sage]

Cool

Thanks for checking

[karmic musk]

Boolean set to False

[dark flower]

same energy

[wanton dawn]

Imagine checking your code live

[sharp ember]

oh good

[wanton dawn]

That's like, the 2nd time someone post code on reddit saying it does something while experience shows otherwise

[frank ether]

on the plus side I dont have to change my build to include keystone

I've run it for two whole games now

[dark flower]

it's wild

[serene sage]

That dude mentioned ally revive perk has stun immune

While it's active

[dark flower]

lol

[serene sage]

Is that part true at least

[frank ether]

I thought it works today but turns out certain enemies just lock onto players like missiles

the rager knows where it is because it knows where it isn't

[sharp ember]

rager flailing behavior

[karmic musk]

Been running Focus with my Laspistol build

• Still gets maced in the head by heretics

[dark flower]

ya

[forest blaze]

Yes

You don’t get knocked out of it and it’s pretty silly

[serene sage]

Does that apply to players that need rescuing?

Or just downed

[forest blaze]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

Tbf even here I caught some people saying taht plasma charge rate no longer affected dmg

[serene sage]

[karmic musk]

Sounds like I'm switching from Grenadier then

[frosty lark]

what would good perks for a stamina curio be

[forest blaze]

Someone was pretty insistent about it

[dark flower]

it's the same thing so yes

[serene sage]

I'm taking it and never rezzing people

[wanton dawn]

So yeah, I cannot trust any of you

[serene sage]

So I get stun immune

Hahahaha

[dark flower]

you can trust me

[forest blaze]

You can take like 4-5 hits while reving

[frosty lark]

rn it has +8% ordo dockets, +4% max health, and +6% exp

[wanton dawn]

I don't even trust myself

[karmic musk]

Isnt it active during revving only

[frosty lark]

im assuming two of those suck

[serene sage]

Oh i thought it's active while you're running to them as well?

[karmic musk]

I already run triple Ally Revive Speed on Curios

[dark flower]

it's active while moving to the revive and reviving them

[forest blaze]

I haven’t seen that

[wanton dawn]

health is fine.

[frosty lark]

what should i replace the other two with?

[tall torrent]

Which stats are dump stats for DC swords

[tardy wharf]

Back at it again asking questions as per usual

[forest blaze]

I use infil so I just go stealth and revive

[serene sage]

Oh god Thy Teammates Be Swift era?

[tall torrent]

Cleave dmg, cleave target?

[wanton dawn]

Gunner resist, sniper resist, ability regen, sprint efficiency are all good

[tall torrent]

I know mobility I want 50+

[wanton dawn]

thoughness as well

[forest blaze]

+toughness good

[karmic musk]

Toughness Regen Speed, Stamina Regen Speed, Ally Revive Speed for me, 2x Toughness 1x 3 Stamina

[forest blaze]

^^

[sharp ember]

leaving your teammate netted on the ground to enjoy some stun immune

[cerulean void]

I wish stripped down also gave a bit of a swap speed bonus

[serene sage]

That's exactly what I want to do

At least my teammates will be useful for something

[forest blaze]

It doesn’t work on rescue from my experience

[dark sorrel]

That’s based

What are the lore ramifications of a veteran being able to kill a daemon from the warp with a bayonet

[frank ether]

is it more lore accurate when I do it with a shovel or parry the overhead of a plague ogryn with d.claw

[ocean moat]

Is it just me or does boltgun feel like the bullets arent doing very much damage

[frank ether]

doesnt it kill a crusher in like a few hits?

[solemn niche]

I tried it and it seems inconsistent, like I see enemies go for other players more often but I don't see them flat out change direction like they used to do with camo expert

overall this seems more of a bonus if you already wanted to use focus keystone, im not changing keystone just for it

[ocean moat]

Like wowie zowie i can kill the entire horde but then i load the elite full of leads and it dont kill em

[solemn niche]

may I introduce you to the plasmagun

60 quickshots per magazine (on average) and quickshots are insanely powerful

[sharp ember]

mk3 helbore has entered the chat

capable of doming a crusher in 1 headshot with the right setup

[frank ether]

I'm one shotting most elites just fine with bolter

deadshot bolter

[tardy raft]

Keep or no

[quaint jacinth]

keep, very well rounded

ive always liked the power swords

[tall torrent]

Surgical + pinning fire is meta for bolter?

[sharp ember]

fine until hadron bricks it

its potential is yet to be seen

[tardy raft]

That is what scares me

[ocean moat]

Trying to unlock it

[low wadi]

is it even possible to get dumdum 4 on colomnus mk v?

[olive timber]

guys, does On Overwatch penance counts only health bar damage ?

[whole moon]

Think so, I got that recently and took a lot of single hits to toughness during the match

[olive timber]

deo gratias

[tardy raft]

I don't know the god roll for this or whats the best perks

[warm idol]

power cycler and sunder/bm is the best iirc

[sharp ember]

you got something cooking here, change Supercharge to Power Cycler 4

[warm idol]

I wish I had pc4

[wanton dawn]

Excellent roll

[warm idol]

I only gotten pc3 after a year

[tardy raft]

hell yeah!

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is one of the 2 best options besides power cycler

[bright coyote]

wow great roll

[sharp ember]

Sunder is valued by some people, it lets you cleave through crushers and heavy elite packs without stopping

meaning: zero resistance swinging to stunlock them

[bright coyote]

sunder is my goat

[whole moon]

power swords have one mandatory blessing imo (any many others) Power Cycler III or IV

[tardy raft]

I need that because I love dunking on crushers

[wanton dawn]

Sunder is arguably the best defensive option VS brutal momentum being overall better offesnsively

Sunder is specifically better against group of melee elite

[halcyon zephyr]

Is there a way to unbind just the brace function for brace autoguns?

The number of times that fucking "special" attack has killed me is unreal

[sharp ember]

it's just the aim input

[halcyon zephyr]

can I unbind it without breaking blocking? It's just bound as "secondary action"

[sharp ember]

you can't, but why are you bracing on accident

[halcyon zephyr]

The problem being that swapping weapons, not having them swap due to a dropped input, then instead bracing instead of blocking with the weapon that I thought I'd pulled out. The brace animation takes time and leaves me wide open

I never use brace, so the only time I'm right-clicking on a brauto build is when I've already switched to melee. It's infuriating to have that repeatedly start the animation for while trying to switch weapons, just locking me into low mobility, no dodge, and wide open for damage.

[sharp ember]

unfortunately i think you are at a loss for this scenario

[brave scarab]

unrelated but is the Agripinaa Mk1 autogun any good or nah? trynna find a good autogun to dump into

[sharp ember]

yeah they're all good, people gravitate towards Columnus because it builds Dumdum stacks the fastest though

agri mk1 is nice for longer range plinking

[low wadi]

guys does dumdum 4 exist?

[sharp ember]

definitely, i have it

[brave scarab]

thank you

[wanton dawn]

i know at least 4 dumbdumb

[low wadi]

u sure?

[sharp ember]

its not a huge step up from tier 3, don't bust yourself trying to get it

[wanton dawn]

I am almost certain that transcendent has better odd for t4

[low wadi]

i know thats not alot but list is long

[low wadi]

thx

[sharp ember]

and yeah upgrade to gold to get a better chance of tier 4

[low wadi]

yeah did some of that too

[sharp ember]

i like that some blessings aren't very punishing if you can't get t4

stares at power cycler 4

[low wadi]

yeah tahts my next mission

for columnus mkv u want fire frenzy and dumdum right

[sharp ember]

prioritize dumdum yeah, fire frenzy is nice but no big deal if you can't

raking fire ain't half bad either

[low wadi]

was actuelly thinking thats its alot of dmg

but alot of timesu cant hit from back

[chrome ember]

MK V autogun just feels amazing whatever

[cerulean void]

[whole moon]

Raking fire and infiltrate is a nice bosskilling combo

[grim walrus]

Most sane Veteran player.

[umbral scaffold]

what should i do with this? obviously change out dmg to groaners and poxwalkers but anything else?

[low wadi]

ive had worse episodes

[low wadi]

surgical

[whole moon]

Crucian to Surgical imo

[cerulean void]

you should bring those to orange if you're hunting IVs

[low wadi]

yeah i did most of them

[umbral scaffold]

glad i have a bolter that had surgical

now just gotta wait for it to pop up before i can actually use it idk whats up with hadron

more like shardon

[quick burrow]

@umbral scaffold crucian - surgical - groaners - flak

[frank ether]

I have gloryhunter IV on mine, didnt bother changing it

I can just pop an elite for easy toughness gain, handy

lights out modifier

[blissful pumice]

Currently losing my mind trying to do the make every shot count penance. Any tips to deal with it?

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah, plasma, revolver or shotgun should help

preferably with low ammo roll

[frank ether]

get a revolver, take out survivalist and dump your ammo into a monstrosity

or ogryns

thats it

[gusty sonnet]

Also, you can pick an assassination mission and dump your ammo into the shield of the boss at the end

[frank ether]

that'd work too

[umbral scaffold]

Does anyone still use the boltgun? I never seem to see it.

[frank ether]

I just finished a T5 auric mission with it

plasma is meta but I dont care about the meta

bolter works fine

[umbral scaffold]

Fucking right. The bolter goes chunk chunk chunk. It's cooler than plasma whump-whumps.

[frank ether]

I'm rocking that boltor+psword like its release day

can give you build if you want

[umbral scaffold]

Yes pls

[delicate estuary]

ye

very strong

been running it with exe stance marksman focus

[gentle prawn]

yaknow, here i was thinking you didnt have to aim too well to use the shotgun

and then i was spectating a vet that straight up could not aim

[frank ether]

probably far from meta but this is what I run on my bolter setup

[serene sage]

controller moment

[delicate estuary]

stinky

shout

[frank ether]

you can swap exhilarating for reload speed btw

[delicate estuary]

user

[serene sage]

if you see they slowly drift and body shot

it's 99% telltale sign a controller user

[delicate estuary]

shout not broken btw

[frank ether]

its fine where it is

[sharp ember]

added requirement to yell into the mic to activate shout

[frank ether]

certain weapons are a little silly (plasma)

[delicate estuary]

when they make the toughness not regeneable

and remove boss stagger

yes

maybe

[frank ether]

whats wrong with boss stagger

[delicate estuary]

its up every 10 seconds if you can keep up special kills

[frank ether]

let me push bosses off the map

[delicate estuary]

what is wrong with it

lmfao

[frank ether]

If I'm keeping up special kills with a boss on my back

let me have my stuns

[delicate estuary]

what is wrong with it is that the other 2 abilities are not comparable

[frank ether]

then stop nerfing volley fire at every opportunity

and infiltrate is fine

[delicate estuary]

worst part is that volley fire is actually decent

its just shout that is dumb

[fair jay]

Stealth do be powerful (when used right)

[frank ether]

I prefer shout because its more efficiently placed, closer to stuff I want on this build

[delicate estuary]

stagger anything you want every 10 seconds, 200 group toughness, toughness that can be regened

[umbral scaffold]

ty vetbro

[frank ether]

I'm not gonna take survivalist and then go all the way right for infiltrate

[sharp ember]

can i get the NVG sight from infiltrate without the cooldown attached

[frank ether]

yeah because you're killing a special every second that makes so much sense

[delicate estuary]

are you doubting the director's density in aurics ?

[gusty sonnet]

Problem with VF is I have to be taxed 1 extra node compared to shout to have it be barely functional, but even then it's still inferior and I dont get grenade regen for free

[delicate estuary]

I can get a minimum of 3 specials in between cooldowns

thats 18 seconds off

[frank ether]

that game up there is t5 auric

I had 3x as many ranged elites than specialists

sometimes its the opposite

[wintry raptor]

dang

[frank ether]

when its a dog/mutie train you get to spam shout yeah

[serene sage]

I dont think dog train gives ammo/cdr anymore

[spark helm]

Who's that?

[junior needle]

post the resulting brick

[wintry raptor]

😦

[junior needle]

Lookin pretty scuffed

[nimble sentinel]

slim chance at greatness

[whole moon]

Trust in the Heart of the Cards

Oops wrong cash cow

[untold mulch]

Hadron takes victims left and right

[ocean moat]

Saw a dude in qp, he was popping off with his build

Sadly, couldnt get a look at it

I think he was running the stealth with some smg

[junior needle]

Probably ciag

[ocean moat]

Really annoyed dt doesnt have a thing to show teammates gear and talents

[junior needle]

It does if you play on pc

Thanks to mods

[fathom grail]

Revolver mains

[untold mulch]

I am tempted to run Revolver in my Zealot

[ocean moat]

Which mod

[untold mulch]

but also, I want to avoid that overtuned bs

[ocean moat]

I NEED this mod bruh

[junior needle]

loadout monitor, also in conjunction with scoreboard.

[frank ether]

running bolter + ps like its release

[frank ether]

might aswell abuse it