veteran-class

[umbral scaffold]

I mean bolter + psword, felt like every mediocre vet rocked that meta

[stark hollow]

damn 11 whole ass bolts while in executioners stance to kill a single crusher

how the bolter has fallen

[umbral scaffold]

Psword is meta but in a game where the alternatives are normal ass shovels, axes, swords and knives it’s to be expected yk

[stark hollow]

chsword is pretty good

[unreal bone]

Bro I always get the dumbest psykers on my team.

[stark hollow]

firing a bolter semi auto feels wrong

[fleet cloud]

how would the emprah feel about me railing some Tau? FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES OFC. wanna.....search for weaknesses

[unreal bone]

Psyker decides to stand infront of a sniper 5 feet away to try and pick someone up.

[umbral scaffold]

Brainbursted believe it or not

[stark hollow]

he seems cool with Kitten doing it

[umbral scaffold]

Fart shart where power armor I wanna play this game like Boltgun

[stark hollow]

FS say no marine

so we no parmor

[unreal bone]

Power armor comes in 2 years when we get the Inquisitor in Power Armor class.

[stark hollow]

i want battle sister power armor

[umbral scaffold]

Malum Caedo beating doom guy sorry doom fan boys

[stark hollow]

i want my male zealot and vet to wear boob armor

[umbral scaffold]

Doesn’t need to be a marine

[unreal bone]

Fatshark please buff this lasgun.

I got such a good roll

but it's an IV. 😭

[stark hollow]

IV is good

[unreal bone]

Not as good as the other two.

[stark hollow]

i use it on zealot and vet

i guess

but its pretty strong though still

im always down for weapon buffs

every weapon could use a buff but none need a nerf

more fun stuff for me to build and screw around with

[unreal bone]

It's the fact that even with a max 80 stab and shooter stance that lasgun kicks like a mini-bolter.

[umbral scaffold]

I freaking love the IV but I could stand to try out the IA

Or whatever the other lasgun was

[stark hollow]

yea i dont ads with that gun

i just spam click

[unreal bone]

They give you a fast firing low damage lasgun, but insane recoil.

And the medium firing lasguns with high damage have like none.

It should be the other way around.

The higher powered shots should kick more.

[stark hollow]

bolter should get a 20 round mag and increased ammo max

max ammo

[umbral scaffold]

Lasguns should have pretty minimal recoil in general tbh, not no recoil but it should be small

It’s a laser there’s no karking mass

[winter creek]

It’s a magic laser

Space magic

[umbral scaffold]

I like the burned effect lasguns have but if things were realistic the lasgun would pop heads since the heat would boil all the fluid inside the head and make it pop

[stark hollow]

is it me or does the mg iv have like no recoil in the psykanium

[umbral scaffold]

But that’s boring compared to the cool burns we get

[stark hollow]

i swear in a mission this think kicks like a bitch

[unreal bone]

Cause it does

I am using it right now

( I died cause 400 poxbursters jumped on me at the same time )

Auric Maelstroms

[stark hollow]

ok its not the recoil that is the problem

its the damn recoil pattern

the recoil is fine

[unreal bone]

The problem is also like sometimes it just fires off an extra shot

which causes extra reoil

sometimes I'll be spamming it, and it just dumps extra shots out.

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t know how the game expects you to stop a bunch of poxbursters bunched together, when they’re all close like that pushing them is inconsistent

[stark hollow]

but this gun shakes like a crackhead without crack

[stark hollow]

bad luck

are the special spawns randomized based on chance

[unreal bone]

Normally not a problem when I play Plasma Gun Sergeant veteran

[stark hollow]

or are there fixed spawn groups

[unreal bone]

my scream knocks them all back

gives me time to plasma gun one and the rest blow up.

[umbral scaffold]

As far as I know it’s a director like in l4d that randomizes it depending on the situation and players grouping

The director will spawn elites to deal with strays

[stark hollow]

thought it spwans dogs and muties for strays

[unreal bone]

Oh boy this auric maelstrom looks like a wipe

10 mutatants with reapers + chaos spawn

[umbral scaffold]

Yea it will sure screw over strays in any way possible

[unreal bone]

Oh and 10 dogs also

just to be funny

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve heard gunner spam, muties and dogs, and rager packs

[unreal bone]

The Game Director in this game is on crack

[stark hollow]

dosent help when you are playing with a team of zealots who just sprint through the mission and leave you behind

[unreal bone]

only 2 players alive, we're not even 25% through the mission

probably like 30+ specials active right now and a boss.

[umbral scaffold]

My veteran was the one to fall out of formation runs hence why he’s there these zealots need to slow down

[stark hollow]

now when the zealots run off without me i say once in chat to slow down cause i cant go that fast

[unreal bone]

Oh wow the 2 players left alive finally just killed all 30 specials and the boss

and now their is a horde

and fresh specials.

[stark hollow]

if they dont i go afk

[unreal bone]

[robust mesa]

so

the lower the charge rate for plas the higher the dam?

[stark hollow]

no

look in pinned

[robust mesa]

I'm looking at it

[stark hollow]

each % has a damage

[umbral scaffold]

Give me 600 mg caffeine and I’ll solo a chaos spawn and an entire horde

[robust mesa]

ah I see

[stark hollow]

73% has highest damage but there are 2nd best options

[robust mesa]

I'm failing to see the problem tho

[serene sage]

honestly i love speedrunning zealots

because 95% of them suck

they rush and die

so I get to clutch with an audience

[stark hollow]

just noticed your display pic lol. ive had that as my phone background for the past 12 years

[robust mesa]

Filthyfranku?

[stark hollow]

wait no not 12. 11?

[umbral scaffold]

I love pulling off a clutch but trappers make that less likely

Least with dogs you can stagger them mid air

[stark hollow]

that specific image

[serene sage]

usually there's another with you though

[stark hollow]

pink guy with the noodles drawn in the old japanese style

[serene sage]

so ig not exactly clutch

[robust mesa]

I miss him

[serene sage]

but yeah ig with 3 speedrun zels then it sucks

[robust mesa]

he will be free of his corporate shackles one day

[stark hollow]

he leaks out of joji during concerts sometimes

[unreal bone]

Man holy shit

[umbral scaffold]

Pussy pussy pussy can’t you see

[unreal bone]

Is it just me

or is the shovel hot garbage?

[stark hollow]

like when joji started playing smash in the middle of a concert

[unreal bone]

Cant' even kill a few dreg trash mobs with multiple swings.

[stark hollow]

you need a specific build

[robust mesa]

I've never seen one

I'm poor

and cannot afford real people things

[umbral scaffold]

I love the shovel

[robust mesa]

also, I was under the impression that gets hot for the plas was bad

[stark hollow]

and need to stack decimator

[unreal bone]

So basically what you're saying is the shovel isn't hot garbage if you just have all of the skill tree abilities to make it good..

[umbral scaffold]

But yes you need certain blessings to make it worth it

[serene sage]

I could have gone to a concert of his in Boston

it was like 30 mins drive

but i didn't 😔

[robust mesa]

30 min drive

[stark hollow]

you cant blow yourself up by spamming left click anymore

[robust mesa]

in this economy?

I thought it was more like

the crit chance wasn't actually that good

[stark hollow]

you can only blow up if you hold right click and fire

[umbral scaffold]

And good thing no one uses right click on plas

[robust mesa]

idk bout that

[unreal bone]

I do

[robust mesa]

charge shot slaps on them headbangers

[unreal bone]

I use right click on the big things like those fuckin muties

1 shot muties

otherwise it takes 2 to 3 on left click

[robust mesa]

So, volatile is bad now?

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe I’ve doubted how useful the plasma gun was lately my bad cuh

[robust mesa]

It's p useful

and

really cool when u get the lines of specials

and ur name is the kill feed

Whats up with all these revolvers tho

[terse idol]

revolver so good still

[stark hollow]

my build currently gives me 10% crit base so with a t3 gets hot i can max up to 52.5% i think?

[robust mesa]

idk bro

[terse idol]

especially with weapon spec

[robust mesa]

it's like

50/50 a revolver guy is dogass or good

[stark hollow]

not sure if guns have a base crit chance

or if crit chancec is based on character

[robust mesa]

should I replace volitaile with shattering then

[stark hollow]

love revolver but hate playing with revolver users

[terse idol]

considering you can headshot crushers it's prettyyy goood

[stark hollow]

you want blaze away and gets hot

send plasma pic

[terse idol]

yeah

[robust mesa]

Thats what I had originally but I kept hearing "Meh Gets hot is poopoo"

[stark hollow]

eh idk its working fine for me

[terse idol]

get's hot is good

wth

you mainly left click the plasmagun

[stark hollow]

havent heard anyone complain about gets hot

[terse idol]

yeah

[robust mesa]

This was my primary

[terse idol]

get's hot is very good

[languid escarp]

this a buy?

[stark hollow]

and you got the perfect charge rate as well

[terse idol]

yeah, change volatile and you're good

[terse idol]

Considering if the left click charge rate bug isn't fixed

need more TR

[stark hollow]

if you want powderburn sure

[terse idol]

Or else you can't get the 9th shot on left click

[stark hollow]

else nah

[languid escarp]

aight

[stark hollow]

id be more tempted to get it for zealot though

but powderburn im not sure is that good

[stark hollow]

id rather have blaze away and inspiring barrage/pinning fire

[umbral scaffold]

It’s cause we need all the ammo isn’t it

[stark hollow]

no its because half the time i see people running up to crushers and hipfiring

then stealing all the ammo

cause they dont aim and carefully take their shots

[vital crag]

Hi I'm new, where's the best place to shoot?

[junior grail]

No Surgical?

[stark hollow]

mfers fan the hammer

[umbral scaffold]

Fart shart decided that we can carry hundreds of rounds of any other kind of weapon but relatively tiny revolver cartridges are limited

[stark hollow]

head

except mauler

[vital crag]

Thank you

[stark hollow]

mauler head is the most armored

body less armored

[umbral scaffold]

Maulers are weaker in the torso but their head still counts as the weak spot

[junior grail]

Barrel, when your friends are next to it

[terse idol]

balance™️

[vital crag]

Oo ok

[stark hollow]

esp when they are in the middle of fighting a horde and its a fire barrel

[umbral scaffold]

Fat shark hasn’t been the best at balance considering the many nerfs and buffs many weapons have gone through throughout this games lifespan

[terse idol]

I mean

Okay what's really bad

REcon laser

what's good

[junior grail]

Achlys Stubber

[stark hollow]

there is a reason we call them fartshart

[terse idol]

Revolver, plasmagun, columnus, PS, IA (appearnreltY_)

[junior grail]

Still cracks me up that a Revolver kills better and faster than a Bolter

[stark hollow]

good meme

[terse idol]

Like I dunno man

There's alot more good weapons than really terrible ones

[stark hollow]

bolter feels like the fortnite assault rifle

they need to buff the bolter for emperors sake

[umbral scaffold]

The bolter has more rounds and reloads faster than a revolver I say it’s “balanced” for the revolver to have the highest damage per shot

[junior grail]

My only gripe is the old good weapons are becoming the terrible ones (relatively)

[stark hollow]

bolter has more rounds but has worse ammo economy

[umbral scaffold]

Because if the bolter was realistically better than the revolver in every way who’d use the revolver

[terse idol]

I mean revolver is good

[junior grail]

Perhaps let Bolter be better than Revolver at long ranges?

[terse idol]

Surgical Bolter is still good

[stark hollow]

bolter could use a damage buff and and increase to 20 round mags also max ammo increase by like 20+ %

[junior grail]

Yes, but I mean without blessings

[stark hollow]

they let the bolter fire full auto but somehow firing full auto does less damage

11 rounds to kill a crusher

[terse idol]

Like

I mean I think the revolver can struggle without handcannon

And surgical

[umbral scaffold]

Meat grinder it because the only way I’d see ads doing more damage is if you had say deadshot and got higher crit chance for aiming

[stark hollow]

its arse without them

[terse idol]

yeah

[junior grail]

I'd still prefer a Revolver over Bolter honestly speaking

[terse idol]

I mean ahh

I think the bolter with the right blessings can still mag dump pretty well

[umbral scaffold]

Give bolter some ammo and damage buffs, no reason it shouldn’t obliterate most unarmored enemies into a gory mess

Also get rid of the priming animation you don’t need to pull back the action every time you whip it out

[stark hollow]

i still find it annoying when people complain something is too op or the game is too easy when they minmax their character and go "hmm i think the game should be harder for everyone. time to complain"

[junior grail]

Know what I want? Increase the aoe damage when enemies explode from Bolter

[stark hollow]

i want the guns to be strong enough such that all blessings are fine and fun to use

[gusty bison]

It does atm thou

[umbral scaffold]

I think the current system is fine because we’re using smaller human sized bolters

[gusty bison]

Like bolter is one of the few vet weapons u can get away with bodyshots on

[umbral scaffold]

Not even Astartes bolters will cause aoe damage iirc

[stark hollow]

which is weird cause lore wise it still shoots the same round

i dont understand the whole massive recoil that will break your back and your ass thing

[gusty bison]

It deffo has a niche atm. And that niche is a high ammo efficiency bodyshot weapon

[stark hollow]

its mainly rocket propelled

the powder is just to get it out of the gun

[junior grail]

Many things that are bending the in-lore rules are in game already, it shouldn't hurt too bad to give our Bolters more oompfh

[umbral scaffold]

I’m confused because I remember bolters on tabletop do different amounts of damage depending on the faction. IG have bolters that do the least damage and astartes the most

[frank ledge]

So called high ammo efficiency bolters when I magdump pox walkers:

[gusty bison]

I mean

Its already hitting bodyshot BPs on like

Everything short of a rager

I dont think it should hit 1 tap bodyshots on ragers

[stark hollow]

tabletop is nonsense. you can shank a custodes to death with guardsmen bayonets

[terse idol]

maybe they should hav a higher AOE\

[umbral scaffold]

Guardsmen bayonets are just that strong sorry to break it to you

[terse idol]

But

[gusty bison]

And u can 1 tap headshot a rager now anyway

[terse idol]

These bolters we use aren't astartes bolters

*shrug

we aren't worthy

[umbral scaffold]

To be fair they are maniacs so you have a point

They aren’t “unarmored” just naked

[gusty bison]

Bolter doesnt care about maniac type

It does full damage to them

[stark hollow]

you can? i cant

[gusty bison]

Yep

Crit headshot

[junior grail]

Aha I give one rebuttal!

I suck at headshotting with Bolter

[gusty bison]

2.4k

[gusty bison]

Then... bolter is perfect cos it doesnt need headshots xD

Like try running a vraks 7 without headshotting

U just suck

[frank ledge]

Boltor best weapon to mag dump hordes

[stark hollow]

crit didnt kill a dreg rager

[gusty bison]

Whats ur talent tree

[junior grail]

Too slow for me, even the Helbore ready time feels fine to me

[gusty bison]

Did u take precision strikes?

[stark hollow]

left heavy

[junior grail]

That ones way easier to me

[stark hollow]

i have that and superiorty complex

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore doesn’t need to be cocked every time either imo

[junior grail]

I cry

[gusty bison]

I meant like if you just fire bodyshots with V7 it just does nothing xD

[stark hollow]

so +30% weakspot dmg and +15% elite damage

[gusty bison]

2.4k damage headshot. 200 damage bodyshot lol

[junior grail]

True, its for balance

[umbral scaffold]

Really if fartshart wants to optimize and balance the weapon swaps they should add a little flick off the safety every time

[junior grail]

I said I headshot with vraks 7 just fine tho?

[frank ledge]

achtually it 1 shots flak shooters

[umbral scaffold]

It’s smaller but still doesn’t mean you can whip out a helbore lasgun, blast someone in the face with a fully charged shot, and go back to melee fighting

[gusty sonnet]

Aren't ragers specialists?

[terse idol]

eh

[gusty bison]

Im not talking about you you

[terse idol]

That's balance

[stark hollow]

how far away are you

[frank ledge]

[terse idol]

Lemme think

After this

[junior grail]

Hahahaha ok ok got it, had an Ogryn moment

[gusty bison]

Those two numbers were refering to v7

Lemme check my bolter

[serene sage]

no they are elites

[umbral scaffold]

The game would be pretty immersive if the vet would flip on and off the safety of his weapon whenever he pulls it out or stows it

[stark hollow]

to one shot i need to proc longshot

[junior grail]

Safety? In 40K?

[umbral scaffold]

Would be better than the current priming animation for the helbore and bolter

[serene sage]

or stop ejecting a bolter shell everytime he pulls it out

[gusty bison]

For bolter? Ye

[serene sage]

dude is just wasting the emperor bullet

[gusty bison]

For vraks 7? No

But u do need left keystone stacks

[junior grail]

Oh so Bolter with left Keystone for 1 shot headshots?

[gusty bison]

Oh found why

[stark hollow]

dunno bout you but this aint one shotting a dreg rager either

[gusty bison]

18m + Pinning fire stacks

[umbral scaffold]

Fartshart ojly does it for balance, because if you can pull out a bolter and shoot someone in the face instantly like with a revolver, what’d be the point of any other gun?

[serene sage]

what do you needt o one shot?

[serene sage]

I mean plasma is allowed to do the same

[junior grail]

I think its just the ammo ejecting animation thats triggering

[terse idol]

I mean

[stark hollow]

i dont eject a round when i pull out t he bolter

[terse idol]

Considering bolter has more ammo, it could use a diffferent blessing or be used differently

That or...

Revolver shouldn't headshot crushers so easily

[dusk idol]

next patch, revolver bullets will now curve around crusher heads

[stark hollow]

bolter has 2 pullout animations. very slowly over the shoulder, or slapping the charging handle like an mp5

[junior grail]

Bolter gets Deadly Accurate

[terse idol]

it's the same animation speed

I would raather keep the animation

[cinder zephyr]

hunting blessings for a graia mk8 autogun, anyone got any rec's for blessings? Pretty sure deathspitter is a given, but unsure of the other and which perks

[umbral scaffold]

Yes my point just let us flick a safety off or something instead of ejecting precious blessed shells

[stark hollow]

bolter gets deathspitter and fire frenzy

[terse idol]

But again these bolters aren't Astartes bolters

So yeah, that point earlier about table top balancing is moot

[stark hollow]

no wait there is no ejecting shell animation for pullout

[terse idol]

Hmmm

Should I keep maniac?

[stark hollow]

you might wanna have another look

[junior grail]

Look at them Marksman Focus stacks

[gusty bison]

It works on 8+

dont need 15

[stark hollow]

oh oyurs goes up to 15 stacks

[stark hollow]

didnt kill it at 10 stacks

[gusty bison]

Mine also has +25% maniac and Deadly accurate 4

[umbral scaffold]

If you pull back the action on an already loaded weapon you’re going to eject a shell

Usually when you pull out your bolter it’s loaded and would have a round in its chamber

Pulling back the action would eject that round

It’s a pointless animation and just doesn’t make sense

[junior grail]

90s action heros do it

[stark hollow]

i dont see an animation where i pull back and eject a round when i pull i out

[terse idol]

Well

The animation is convaying that there isn't already a round in the chamber

[stark hollow]

are we using the same bolter

[terse idol]

So when you pull it out it's loading a round in

[umbral scaffold]

Yea there’s no shell falling out when you pull back the action

[terse idol]

Now the issue is there isn't a code for the animation that only allows it to happen once

But both animations are roughly the same speed I'm assuming

So it doesn't change much

[junior grail]

Thatll be a nice attention to detail... if they did it!

[terse idol]

yes, it's assumed there always isn't a round in the chamber

So you do the thingy

[junior grail]

Might also be a ritual cock

[umbral scaffold]

This isn’t cod so fartshart can’t be assed to do different animations depending on if the bolter is empty or not

[junior grail]

As in cock the gun

[stark hollow]

as i said the only animation i see when pulling out the bolter is slowly pulling out over the shoulder or quickly whipping out from underneath and slapping the charging handle

[terse idol]

I mean

FS do have some pretty indepth animations

[umbral scaffold]

I remember there is an animation where you prime the bolter and pull back the action

[terse idol]

Unload your gun and you'll get a different reload

[junior grail]

Then again... remember VT2? Saltzpyre and his pistols or Kruber and his Blunderbuss?

[stark hollow]

thats why i said you might wanna check again

[terse idol]

Like hell, it's the attention to detail the Ogryns get when they reload a ripper

[stark hollow]

i think they removed it

i also remember that

[umbral scaffold]

Good morning purgers of the heretics

If they did good on them

[stark hollow]

but its not there anymore

[terse idol]

When Saltz literally just pulle revolvers out of his jacket

😌

[junior grail]

Not with the half naked cosmetic skin, he isnt

[terse idol]

Unless

DT came a long way from V2 reload animations

[umbral scaffold]

Speaking of COD fartshart should add a tac sprint that consumes stamina, and a normal run that doesn’t (the run speed at 0 stamina)

[junior grail]

Grimgi whats that sticking out of you-... BY THE ANCESTORS!!!

[gusty bison]

I mean thats how braces of pistols work

:P

[umbral scaffold]

Poxbursters would be trivial if they could just do this please

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

But they are trivial

Most of the time...

[umbral scaffold]

Not when u got 0 stamina to push

[stark hollow]

idk why they made the bolter have a binary trigger though

[terse idol]

Uh

[stark hollow]

i think its dumb

[terse idol]

I dunno why you're running

To have 0 stamina

Then a pox burster is in front of you

[umbral scaffold]

Things happen

Doors and loud noises

[terse idol]

I mean

Adding a tac sprint...

Just kinda weird

[umbral scaffold]

Just kinda awesome

[terse idol]

There's plenty of ways to get back your stamina

And plenty of folks run stamina regen on curio

[umbral scaffold]

I do too

Currently on the grind tho got +10 dockets on all my curios rn

[terse idol]

Then it shouldn't be a proooblem

[umbral scaffold]

+40% dockets hitting quick play

https://tenor.com/view/rich-gif-24345713

[stark hollow]

dont know what to do with my dockets now

just waiting on new guns

[gusty bison]

Run a gun you havent tried yet

[umbral scaffold]

It costs like 1 million to get a possibly good base roll

[stark hollow]

already built most of the guns

[umbral scaffold]

Apparently my revolver is useless because I don’t have hand cannon

[stark hollow]

rip

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-wow-telling-me-now-first-time-surprised-gif-1695387857546901797

[stark hollow]

whats it look like

[umbral scaffold]

I don’t have a ss rn I’m just in bed

[terse idol]

You can proobably make it work with weapon spec, but yesssss

It'll suffer without it

[umbral scaffold]

It’s got good base stats and I run carapace + maniac on it

If I can get a good 360+ revolver with all@my dockets and roll handcannon I’ll use that and see if I’m better off

But so far my revolver has been the trustiest weapon to grace my game even without hand cannon

[stark hollow]

currently my service revolver

and this is my backup

[umbral scaffold]

Point blank looks really good

I’d run that for my playstyle

[stark hollow]

yea it works

you wont hit crits as often as surgical

but its a more in your face fighting style

[terse idol]

could work better for weapon spec

https://youtu.be/cmZSFBy9CZ8?si=rHGW8lwiOYa3FEQm

Yoo what the

[umbral scaffold]

If anyone’s looking to play with a perfectly average vet later let me know

[terse idol]

Found the auto pistol

[stark hollow]

camera man is pretty brave

[terse idol]

Cameraman always survives

[stark hollow]

pretty sure standing beside that gun is considered being downrange of it

[umbral scaffold]

It’s like the patriot from mgs3 but worse

The bullets probably keyhole before they leave the muzzle.

[stark hollow]

pretty sure you can see the tip of the bullet from the side

[terse idol]

yeeep

[stark hollow]

that looks like my autopistol tough

i slapepd a stock on it

left is my vraks headhunter autogun and right is my mk v IAG

and yes i put a melta mag in my headhunter

[terse idol]

The funny bayonet

[stark hollow]

every gun needs a bayonet

id have a bayonet on my staff if i could

instead i just replace the staff head with a hammer head or a shovel head

the perfect autopistol

[serene sage]

where stock
where barrel
where mag

this is heretical

[stark hollow]

its uhhhhhh tactical

for close quarters

[delicate moat]

silent crusher prefired me around a corner

i didnt even realize what hit me lmao

[junior grail]

I keep forgetting Scab Melee only meant Maulers, Crushers and Bulwarks everywhere

And Snipers specials etc are still a thing

[frank ether]

the ß helmet is like cherry on top

[stark hollow]

its ok i put wax seals on it. now its blessed and no longer heretical

[umbral scaffold]

can be Lucius Mk II as powerful as Lucius Mk III?

[thorn yoke]

Mk II Stab > Mk III Melee. Otherwise no, Mk II has the lowest top damage

[umbral scaffold]

damn, that bayonet at Mk III isnt that satisfying as on Mk II

[frank ether]

its better suited for most but a few niche situations

[serene sage]

Do people actually use the bayo as main melee or is this a meme

[frank ether]

the stab for mk1-2 is pretty good

[umbral scaffold]

depends how much you like Krieg lol

[frank ether]

Its not gonna beat a melee vet build

but you can like

nuke a dog or mutie in your face

without having to weapon swap

[umbral scaffold]

i found stabbing with bayonet to be extremely effective against elites

[thick rose]

its gross how a newly 30 ogryn with like 370 power shield can sleep walk through domination

I hope the next patch really shows the vet some love

[frank ether]

the nerfs will continue until morale improves

[midnight mortar]

Having been trying the mk2 and I'll be honest, it's really really tempting to just use the bayonet for melee.

It's very fucking effective.

The only risk is its lack of horizontal coverage. You basically have to sidestep like a madman while jabbing the bayonet over and over.

Looks really stupid.

But as long as you keep jabbing heads, you're untouchable.

Ragers can be held back with it easily.

Bulwarks and maulers can be permanently stunlocked to death.

It's also capable of staggering trappers out of their firing animation on headshots.

Very nice considering I'm used to the power sword's energized lights not doing that.

[frank ether]

as long as enemies come at you like 1-2 at a time you're fine

If you're good at dragging mk3 can do a little bit of cleave

but it just doesnt nuke elites and such as fast

and generally harder to hit weakspots with due to attack angle

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the mk2 is far better for general use as a mainline replacement for melee bayoneting.

It's extremely fast attack speed and finesse bonus from the last buff it got really make it deceptively strong.

[frank ether]

Tho I should note this is only possible for mk3 with brutal momentum blessing applying to it

without that it can't even cleave 2 poxwalkers

[frank ether]

I would argue the keystone is just not good for any of the helbores but mk2 works the best ofc

but then again

[midnight mortar]

Keystone?

[frank ether]

marksman focus

[midnight mortar]

I was talking about how all helbore bayonets got a boost to their finesse modifier by Fatshark.

[frank ether]

I was talking about ranged part of the gun

[midnight mortar]

Ah.

[frank ether]

thought you were talking about

keystone ranged finesse

which doesnt affect the bayonet I don't think

[delicate estuary]

emperor is feeling generous

[rich oyster]

Does using the gun attachment mod get u banned?
Having a sight on the infantdy mk5 is beyond broken?

[delicate estuary]

what is the verdict

regarding charge rates

[rich oyster]

The best thing the emperor gave me was a bill to pay to serve him

[delicate estuary]

convert to nurgle

suck his beast

😳

[odd sparrow]

73 is the best, it increases damage by +2.5%

[rich oyster]

But then how can i yell
DIE HERETICS every 20 seconds

[odd sparrow]

only mods that affect gameplay for other players get you bannned

[rich oyster]

That mod is so broken
U get a flashlight on everygun too
Its insane

I do believe the flashlight should be a basic featurs on everygun
So its fine by my books

[polar pagoda]

finding great success in powersword stealth melee vet. I think theres even an interaction where you can finish the rest of your combo without dropping stealth

[delicate moat]

am i going insane or are trappers also sometimes completely silent?

[polar pagoda]

is anyone aware of other kinds interaction for stealth mechanics? Besides chainsword rev in stealth

[polar pagoda]

perhaps it overlaps with some other sound effects?

[frank ether]

you can have your guns go silent if you had the client open for long enough

welcome to memory leaks

[tender rose]

I guess that's why they added all the crashes in the last patch. So I don't lose sounds in game...

[frank ether]

chances are patch broke some of your mods

Keep them updated

[umbral scaffold]

Is it just me or is it much harder without ogryn in your team

[frank ether]

ogryns are op but thats just you

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-warhammer-40k-warhammer40k-gif-13597065

[frank ether]

if anything I get a harder time with some ogryns because they bait crusher overheads or poxbursters into their teammates

because ogryn is so stupid easy you dont need to be burster or crusher trained to play and win

[umbral scaffold]

Damn, is there any way how to put optic sight on lasgun? That iron sight sucks a lot, ca't hit shit

[midnight mortar]

Weapon customization mod.

#📌communities

I assume you mean the Helbore lasguns specifically.

[umbral scaffold]

Mk II or III, Lucius Pattern, yes

Thank you

[languid escarp]

does Opening Salvo work on first 10% of the clip that isnt the result of reload (for example by procing weapon specialist modifier that resplenish ammo from reserve)

[delicate estuary]

recon 7a is the better recon correct?

if I had to use one

[midnight mortar]

VId.

[delicate estuary]

that one got nerfed no ?

while the others got damage increases

[midnight mortar]

A salvo is measured based on when recoil begins to when it resets.

Nothing to do with ammo count.

[languid escarp]

opening salvo is a talent

[midnight mortar]

Oh right. Thanks Fatshark.

I believe the weapon specialist replenishment does not count as a reload. But I have not tested this.

[midnight mortar]

The VId still has the highest dps due to its fire rate in the end. It just deals less damage to flak at range than it did before.

Within optimal ranges it still outpaces the others.

[delicate estuary]

well I am cooking up something with specialist keystone and I would prefer having more upfront damage so was thinking 7a might be a better choice

[midnight mortar]

You could always test some gray items for their raw dps.

[delicate estuary]

6d might have consistent dps I dont disagree just feel like the ammo economy for the damage it does is ass especially since I cant run survivalist

[midnight mortar]

My understanding was the VId'a fire rate ends up providing higher dps at optimal close ranges.

Since its fire rate was unchanged by the nerf and prenerf it already outpaced the VIIa.

Well, they all have terrible ammo economy now.

It takes the 7a greater than 10 seconds to kill a mutie if that video Foxhope posted is remembered correctly.

[ivory rock]

@dapper latch @strange grove I know how the tree works, I just believe it's significantly more work overall to use effectively compared to literally every other class, which, it is. I don't have any issues keeping it stacked, but with vets overall bloat and just general lack of useful talents, it is innately garbage compared to every other class in terms of accessibility and use.

[dapper latch]

you're using the 15 stack one instead of the .75s to gain stack one

thats why its "more work"

you're giving up near constant uptime for a slightly bigger buff

vet doesnt have a "lack of useful talents" as it has some of the best support talents in the entire game and you can't deny that, while also offerring very good self-sustain options

[frank ether]

the keystone just sucks for slower firing guns or playstyles that involve surgical

[ivory rock]

Yeah cause I like more damage, and as you can see from the videos I don't stand still very long as is. Either way a keystone around being a "marksman" should focus more on landing consistent headshots rather than walking around after landing them. The main point I'm making however, is how much is required compared to literally every other class (as I play all of them). Ogryn: has to heavy attack 5 times, and can then use regular attacks to reset the cooldown for as long as there's an enemy to hit/has to not take too much damage, but if he does he shoves enemies away and regens toughness/has to hold down the fire button on his gun. Zealot: 25 enemies have to die near them or they have to get crits/ they need to lose health to gain damage, atk spd and damage reduc/ they have to walk to stack a buff. Psyker: enemies near them have to die / enemies near them have to die pt.2 / they have to kill an enemy who glows blue

[frank ether]

Its very simple to fix

gain stacks on hit, lose stacks on miss

[ivory rock]

Compared to the other classes the Vet is just tedious now and the effort required to be viable and healthy while remaining anywhere near the other classes is just pointless. You're not tanky, your damage is average, your skills have been stolen by fs and given to Ogryn

[ivory rock]

^ This too

Vet just has too much bloat and weird hoops to jump thru. There's no reason exec stance shouldn't reload your weapon and mark ogryn. It takes a Psyker 19 talent points to reach their keystone and modifiers, even while going through separate branches. It takes Vet 22-23 to go straight down one tree

[frank ether]

thats just marksman vet

middle and right tree have built in ways to support your team, replenish your toughness, and give you a balanced mix of melee&ranged power

[sinful cave]

wanna try out mk3 hellbore, do i grab a mid one from melk just to get the onslaught blessing or does it not even use that?

headhunter and infernus maybe?

[frank ether]

is it onslaught 4

you want surgical-onslaught for mk3 and nothing else

[sinful cave]

OH TRUE SURGICAL

i meant surgical infernus but yeah onslaught sounds more fun either way

[spiral needle]

Haven't played since the patch, have they fixed veteran yet?

[frank ether]

Its the slowest of the helbores

so you get the most benefit from onslaught

[sinful cave]

yeah i was really tempted to just use mk2 instead but everyone be recommending mk3...

[frank ether]

I also recommend just

not taking the keystone

for mk3

and making a balanced build

[sinful cave]

the keystone? or do u mean any keystone

idk what the one is

[frank ether]

marksman

but rly

I'd take no keystone with it

[ivory rock]

Ye mk3 is legit best w no keystone n just the trees

[frank ether]

and just focus on making a balanced build

[sinful cave]

i was just gonna slap the mark target keystone for wheni want a boss 2 no longer exist

[frank ether]

take comfort talents like grenade regen, maybe dip into middle take iron will and %20 ogryn&monstro damage

I mean you could stack like

ET+Iron Will+close order

for giga damage resistance

[sinful cave]

begging fat shark to add swap speed to weapon specialist so it doesnt take 6 years to pull out hellbores

[frank ether]

I dont see it happening sadge

specialist helbore is a pipe dream

just use volley

[sinful cave]

byeah...

[frank ether]

besides volley damage is constant and easy to keep it up

and the outlines help with helbore irons

[sinful cave]

also it was only tier 3 onslaught but the games been exploding my balls with rng recently so im still tempted 2 take the easy route

[frank ether]

tier 3 is good enough

[sinful cave]

[frank ether]

mods help

I dont like my game crashing constantly though

so I keep it light with mods

[ivory rock]

Putting sights on helbore

Shit makes me nut

[frank ether]

I have adapted to ironbore

[sinful cave]

putting a sight on my boltor just for the recoil to launch my gun into the next mission

[ivory rock]

I literally only wanted sights to help deal with snipers cause tryna pinpoint ironsights on those mfs at 70+ meters w a horde in front of em is

[sinful cave]

i hope stability isnt 2 important

[sinful cave]

got a build u can recommend/send?

[proven plaza]

the agrippa ix is a great vet gun for longshots

2 shot burt goes through 3 at a time\

id take a picture but i must stop playing now. iv been seriously irrsponsible gaming today

[thick rose]

I cant use anything but the revolver until it gets shitcanned into history

[frank ether]

not perfect but this is how I've been doing it for hb3 to give you a general idea

[thick rose]

(I kinda want it too now, so I can)

[frank ether]

there is a lot you can move around based on what you think is needed

[sinful cave]

seeing less and less people run confirmed kill i thought it was like mandatory

[frank ether]

like you can leave mid tree at iron will and spend those two points to get confirmed kill + field improv for example

It took a very heavy nerf

its still good

but not at all mandatory

the mid and right keystones have stronger toughness replenishment mechanics than confirmed kill

the thing I like about this build is that

you dont really have to get weakspot kills

bodyshot kills or even bayonet kills with reset volley fire

and this is how I would go for keystone if I wanted to use it, but I really dislike it

[spice wadi]

I tried weapon specialist helbore but the helbore swap time devours like 1/3rd of the buff - I may not have scrolled down before making this post

[frank ether]

the main notable difference for this second build is that by:

1. stacking surgical
2. stacking up marksman focus
3. activating volley fire

will give you a 5 second window to one shot a crusher

[sinful cave]

cant say i understand shredder nades

i havent been able 2 look at these things the same way every since i noticed they dont even kill groaners in one

[frank ether]

they're kinda doodoo but they apply bleeds so dropping 2-3 of them will clear a horde

so its your get out of jail free card

yeah they nerfed the F out of shredder nades

it is what it is

at this point I use them as discount stun grenades

you kinda need grenade tinkerer to get the most out of shredder frags and thats just not happening for this build

I think you could make a middle build and get it that way tho

[rain dome]

what blessings am i looking for on a kantreal?

[frank ether]

headhunter deadly accurate probably

[frank ledge]

nerf botor

[ruby veldt]

4 shout vets, Auric dogs. It was beautiful

[brisk umbra]

fuck me another controller player in a high intensity

[junior grail]

Ok I did a proper Helbore run employing stabby stabs, SUPER FUN

[hoary current]

Hey guys back in the game after a looong time. Things have changed a lot and i don't fine a good build with the bolter and the accatran laser.
Do you have some?
All i try to do is not so much survivable build

[thick rose]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds might help give you some ideas

[hoary current]

Thanks!

[brisk umbra]

Bollter isn't that great anymore, and the Accatran got gutted in the last patch

[gleaming turtle]

What would you even look for on a knife?

[brisk umbra]

just warning you now

[gleaming turtle]

I can't make heads or tails of it.

[brisk umbra]

rending on weakspot hit

[hoary current]

Thanks ^^ i will see when i'm in game ^^

[brisk umbra]

mercy killler is great too, but you do need the bleed talent that is in a horrible place now

[gleaming turtle]

And perks?

Because Emperor just tossed this my way.

I will prolly never use it, but I am interested.

[brisk umbra]

fucking hell

Probably slap Flak on it over weak spot damage and call it a day

[gleaming turtle]

What about Revolvers?

Carapace?

[whole moon]

There's a pinned guide for ranged weps might help

[gleaming turtle]

Works for me.

Just wondering cause I have had this thing kicking around for a while now, but I don't like the idea of using a revolver.

I changed the other blessing to Surgical because that just seemed logical

It's funny, the only two blessings I have in my library with Hadron are Surgical 3 and Hand-Cannon 4, lol

I usually just sell the things whenever the Emperor gives them to me, but I figured I should at least melt those.

[bitter turtle]

uncanny + precog

mercy strike is kinda meh tbh

i have a knife with almost all the viable combos

as far as they go

executor is too annoying to keep stacked
mercy killer doesn't apply on your first hit which kinda sucks, plus the extra talents going to the bleed in the tree is suck

[gleaming turtle]

And perks?

[bitter turtle]

forgot the other blessing name

[gleaming turtle]

This stuff always interests me, when people suggest against the grain

[bitter turtle]

but 6 second crit bonus on dodge is also viable instead of precog

precog lasts only 2 seconds so the window to slap the right target in the head can be a little tight sometimes

so if you want something more flexible, crit on dodge is a nice alternative

and perks wise, I usually run flak carapace since knife already oneshots most of the maniacs besides mutants/ragers

mutants dont get any significant breakpoints on my knife by running + mutant

as for ragers, I dont really like to enegage them with knives to begin with if i can help it

so

if carapace doesnt help you reach a breakpoint, then I'd swap it to unarmored and see if that helps you oneshot dreg gunners as well

depends on the knife though

and how the rolls go

knives are one of those annoying weapons where you have like 4 stats that all add dmg so you want them all high

damage/finesse/first target/penetration are all important to roll high on lol

oh yeah

crit on dodge was called riposte

basically though

you absolutely want uncanny strike

and then the 2nd blessing is preference

but i believe precog is the best

with riposte being ok

executor and mercy killer i'd only run as a temporary cope knife

executor is too finicky, mercy killer requires wasting points into bad talents while not even being effective for your alpha strike

[craggy dove]

Worth it to pick up, mates ?

From Melk's stock

[gleaming turtle]

Do you have a build you prefer, @bitter turtle

[bitter turtle]

for knife?

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

that dpeends on your gun more than the knife

but imo, knife needs a gun that can spray into hordes for control if needed

[gleaming turtle]

Say I've got a good gun of just about everything.

[bitter turtle]

the horde control on the thing is absolutely godawful

so i run it with the iags

as for the tree

https://i.gyazo.com/e33c2a257e92b1a74d32ff5cfd7d0a44.png

thi sis my current one

though volley fire/longshot can be dropped

i just like the reload speed on the iag

[humble meteor]

neither are worth imo, bad blessings on revolver and columnus brauto is just ass (though has been a while since i tried it)

[craggy dove]

Roger that. Ta, mate !

[humble meteor]

revolver only worth if you wanted to collect speedload iv tho

[bitter turtle]

did they fix speedloader

to work with melee kills again

[humble meteor]

idk i havent tried it

doubt it if dumdum still bugged

[bitter turtle]

i dont think dumdum was ever bugged

ppl just misread the blessing and think its not supposed to stack at all ranges

[humble meteor]

fair

[tardy vine]

thanks Hadron

[brazen cape]

anyone know what a good sword to use would be or knife?

[devout atlas]

Mercy Killer goes insanely hard on Vet, I like running Agri Brauto with it

It's a shame the node is on a really weird spot though

[bitter turtle]

idk

from my testing it adds less dmg than precog procs

i dont really think its worth

doesn't help you hit oneshot thresholds too

since it doesnt proc on the first hit

since you're playing knife you're dodging all the time anyway

[devout atlas]

It's very easy to proc and lets you kill Crushers and bosses hilariously fast

assuming you have rending on weakpoint too which is a must have always

[bitter turtle]

precog lets you 2shot crushers tho

ill say for bosses its prob the best one though yeah

[devout atlas]

I love precog and if you're not running the bleed talent it's defo better

[bitter turtle]

i just wasnt impressed by mercy killer even on the old tree when it was relatively easy to get

[devout atlas]

Mercy Killer just has a lot of reliability, the game is very iffy at counting what is and isn't a dodge

[bitter turtle]

precog was a huge jump in dmg and i noticed it even without healthbar mods and shit since it helped me hit a lot of faster breakpoints on anything bulky

[devout atlas]

how about you .. precog some bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/вкусна-кот-cat-gif-23767031

[stuck bridge]

Yoooo, someone dug through the code and discovered that having marksman focus stacks gives you the benefit of old camo stance

[bitter turtle]

even if you move?

or does it have to be standing still

[stuck bridge]

Code says it's in effect as long as you have at least 1 stack

[bitter turtle]

wtf

[willow badger]

What does that do

[stuck bridge]

Sets base threat to 0.1 instead of 1

[muted knot]

cop?

[frank ether]

lmao ofc

its the brain child of camo expert mains

bruh ok

armed with this knowledge

I can make life harder for my teammates

[bitter turtle]

Run marksman focus

Let teammates die

"wow learn to position"

[muted knot]

please gamers idont know shit about PS

[bitter turtle]

Do you have cycler 4 already

[muted knot]

no

[bitter turtle]

You can make that one decent if you swap out wrath for pcycler

Then one of the perks for flak

Then idk you can buy it but it won't be good until you have pcycler

Do you have cycler 3

[muted knot]

ihave no cycler

[bitter turtle]

Then rip u

[muted knot]

so probably pass?

[devout atlas]

yall look at the shit i found in steam guides https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3085700125

im sobbing dude

its so coal

[bitter turtle]

Idk you can buy it and wait till you roll at least a cycle 3

[junior grail]

Allrounder... Recon Lasgun...

[devout atlas]

look deeper

it

gets

worse

[bitter turtle]

I wouldn't use psword without cycler 3 personally

At least

[devout atlas]

the perks

😭

[bitter turtle]

3 is good enough at least since it covers the two horizontals for lights

[muted knot]

hhahahahhaa

thank you friend

[devout atlas]

bro

[bitter turtle]

And also the stab into downswing for the anti boss eye poke

[devout atlas]

BRO

[junior grail]

HMMMMMMM

[devout atlas]

recon build btw

[bitter turtle]

in all fairness

he is calld

dave THE PSYCHO

so

i mean

what do you expect

[devout atlas]

you can see the moment i read the melee weapon perks man

Someone link a better build down there so the poor sods that find it have an alternative

[junior needle]

Accatran Mk VId Recon Lasgun = Super effective for mowing down hordes of enemies in Hip Fire

[devout atlas]

11 current favorites

...

[bitter turtle]

excuse me

[devout atlas]

I wonder just how many Vets in Pugs read shit like this

[bitter turtle]

he's simply playing recon the way fatshark wanted him to

[devout atlas]

bro is playing Recon on release

💀

[bitter turtle]

why else did they buff infested/unarmored close range dmg

and nerf long range flak dmg

they want you to shoot the poxwalkers and not the gunners

[devout atlas]

tbh

[bitter turtle]

and clearly it was too strong at it

so they nerfed shocktrooper ammo

[devout atlas]

its not like gamelantern has any better builds

[bitter turtle]

now its a balanced water gun

[junior grail]

Shooting poxwalkers is the most ammo efficient tactic for Recon DUH

[devout atlas]

the top rated recon lasgun builds are so fucking bad on there too

[junior needle]

They didn't even buff it, just swapped the falloff or swapped it AND nerfed it

[devout atlas]

I feel bad for anyone who struggles building characters and tries to find builds online

[bitter turtle]

n-no its just a tradeoff, its actually a buff even!

[spice wadi]

im gonna go infantry las and focus target and then trick redditors into using it

[junior grail]

Is it just me or most Gamelantern builds... kinda meh?

[junior needle]

The 2 got actual number buffs but, its so shit it did literally nothing for it

[devout atlas]

it totally depends on the class

[bitter turtle]

lul

yeah i mean what do you expect

it was worse than the 7 even prepatch

[devout atlas]

the ogryn ones are fine, vet ones are dogshit

which isn't surprising

[bitter turtle]

and that thing wasnte ven usable either

[devout atlas]

vet community is uh

deficient in everything including ammo im afraid

[frank ether]

this is very sus

[devout atlas]

i do like coming to #veteran-class its like putting your fingers inside the cage of a crazed chimanzee sometimes

[frank ether]

but then again its steam community

[devout atlas]

yea which . definitely more players use than gameslantern or the discord 😭

[spice wadi]

vet has had a comedown from being the literal terminator

now it is merely 'strong'

and this has given us rabies

[junior needle]

The melee part is strong, the ranged aspect is kinda lacking and being floated by some guns being absurdly strong

Apparently gunpsyker with a columnus just outdoes ranged vet

[devout atlas]

Yea it does

At least columnus vet

[frank ether]

apparently marksman keystone with camouflage gives you old camo expert

[devout atlas]

what like

[junior needle]

lemao

[devout atlas]

standing still gets you -90% threat?

[umbral scaffold]

I make it look like I'm helping me team on my vet, but really I'm just there for free plasteel

[frank ether]

I dont have any proof for this

someone said it earlier

and I'm just parroting what they said to me

[junior needle]

Someone mentioned that having at least one stack gives you the threat reduction

[devout atlas]

bro its #veteran-class you can't trust people on here

people just be saying shit

😭

[junior needle]

And that gives you stacks for standing still or crouch walking

So effectively permanent uptime on demand

[devout atlas]

Wait

[bitter turtle]

si[[psed;y

[frank ether]

I mean I doubted agile engagement working for helbore bayonet or bromentum and yet they do lmao

[bitter turtle]

supposedly*

[devout atlas]

Actually might be real

[bitter turtle]

it works even if you're moving

[spice wadi]

true very wise

[bitter turtle]

as long as you have 1 stack

[devout atlas]

I remember running it with laspis and I could just ignore hordes

[junior needle]

Mhm, and the stacks fall off 1 by 1

[devout atlas]

Needs to be tested. Shame vet mains have no friends to test this with

[frank ether]

Smh

''learn to position'' vets be like

[umbral scaffold]

But honestly I have no idea what the veteran's role is these days since the other classes all kill/support more efficiently

[junior needle]

ammo and shield distributor

[spice wadi]

crit 1 shot bullshit and finesse breakpoints

[devout atlas]

wym. their role is staying alive to give the ogryn ammo

[frank ether]

I'll try testing it later but I need to understand how low threat works exactly I think

I sometimes run it for infiltrate build but its not very consistent

[spice wadi]

also 1 shotting flamers with the helbore bayonet is funny

[junior needle]

It makes you the least likely target, but things will still go for you if there's nothing else in their range

And you can still get hit coincidentally

[frank ether]

so doesnt this mean

[devout atlas]

I mean Vet is still the ranged specialist, it's just Deadshot killed every playtesters mother so they keep butchering it even though Zealot and Psyker have better version of it

[frank ether]

its like an overbuffed version of old camo exppert

they turned camo expert into a fucking keystone

smh

[junior needle]

It's like a version of old camo that is less dogshit

[devout atlas]

camo was good back then just competed for rlly strong alternatives

[frank ether]

Its not bad

[junior needle]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[frank ether]

its just toxic

[muted knot]

Hey that's me !

[devout atlas]

I don't think it's toxic if used correctly

[junior needle]

It encouraged people to stand still and never engage in melee, and also die alone because people didn't understand how it worked and wandered off

[devout atlas]

If I'm playing Ogryn I want the Vet to focus down specials and shooters

idc taking on more melee enemies

[bitter turtle]

really

[devout atlas]

but if the Vet is being a fucking glue sniffer recon lasgunning groaners next to me instead of killing the flamer

[bitter turtle]

i thought ogryn's job was to run through me while im shooting to block my shots

:^)

[devout atlas]

yes its toxic

[frank ether]

mobs will still swarm the vet if no one is around to take aggro

though

[umbral scaffold]

This hurts, because its true.

[devout atlas]

which is 90% of vets I play with ofc

[junior needle]

Laffs in kickback

I am the veteran now

[bitter turtle]

i unironically groan when i see 2+ ogryn on team just b/c i know statistically one of them is going to run through me CONSTANTLY through the map lul

[devout atlas]

I love me ripper mk2, shame about the hordes I delete with it :P

[bitter turtle]

walk around motherfucker pls

[frank ether]

lore accurate oggy gameplay

IQ of a wet noodle

[devout atlas]

when I play Ogryn I get great Ogryn teammates, when I play a humie I get shield Ogryns that just slam their shield down in front of a flamer and die

[frank ether]

not to be confused with dry noodle, that would be veteran

[devout atlas]

the only time I was ever toxic to someone was when I saw an Ogryn just do that and told him "hey, you have one of the strongest melee in the game, use it"

and he said "good luck without me" and left

anyway we did it without downs

which I doubt we would do with him LMAO

bro had 0 lesser enemies killed 5 mins into the game

I am not exagaratting

he would just shield during hordes

????????

like a fucking scarecrow

[junior needle]

He's toonking

[frank ether]

When you have the effective HP of 10 deadshot veterans

[devout atlas]

fucking final fantasy ass gameplay

[frank ether]

you tend to get to higher difficulties

by accident

[umbral scaffold]

Yes, but they die for the Emperor.

[devout atlas]

this was auric damnation btw

😭

[frank ether]

yes

its not their fault

game lets them wander in to that difficulty

[devout atlas]

how would u even get to lvl 30 with that much glue in your circulation

[frank ether]

oggy doesnt have to learn

[devout atlas]

ngl we should have scoreboard but just for you

yourself

so these mfs can see they get 125 kills out of 2500

[umbral scaffold]

Ogryn has the flattest learning curve until 5 and then everything changes, you can mouthbreathe all the way to 30 and do fine

[devout atlas]

and do the math on that

[junior needle]

Reminds me of the 6d melee chaffe shooting vet I got in auric 5

[devout atlas]

definitely projecting

[junior needle]

Perpetually out of ammo

Sucking up all the pickups

[devout atlas]

I am very good at killing toxic players with niceness

[junior needle]

Funny part is he actually did listen to me and stop shooting into chaffe after I said that

[devout atlas]

I had a vet like that when our gunsyker (that was also a dick) was out of ammo

[umbral scaffold]

I hoover up every ammo box I can see because I want to convince myself I'm still relevant with full auto weapons.

[devout atlas]

and very kindly told him to share

so kindly bro actually did for the rest of the game

you gotta give them the kindergarten assistant teacher treatment

[celest vine]

What gun was he using if you could tell?

I can do that with my lasgun and still have ammo

[frank ether]

I really want survivalist nuked out of veteran and have it so the base game has a nerfed version of that added in by default

[devout atlas]

That'd fuck

[frank ether]

If Oggys dont learn how to survive, vets dont learn how to manage ammo

cause they get like 3 ammo passives

and sometimes still manage to run dry

[junior needle]

6d recon. Critfishing infantry las is very ammo efficient, but not very effective for actually thinning hordes.

[devout atlas]

Imho don't give it in a base version just have the director give more ammo pick ups when needed

[celest vine]

Recon is ass

Infantry lasgun does not have that issue

[devout atlas]

I'm pretty sure my airsoft gun does more damage than a Recon in todays economy

[umbral scaffold]

I actually don't mind shit ogryns on auric damns or regular damns. I get to hone my veteran clutch catachan parry skills against 19 crushers, 34 maulers and 200 assorted trash mobs.

[devout atlas]

and I'm only half joking

[junior needle]

I know, I tell this to people constantly but there's always more

[celest vine]

You see, Infantry lasguns can spray into hordes

[devout atlas]

I'm just saying that if it takes 25 shots from a laser gun to kill someone wearing a hood

like

[frank ether]

Problem with that is it doesn't really scale with intensity of a mission, nor does solve a-holes stealing ammo

[devout atlas]

there are airsoft guns that can do that

😭

[umbral scaffold]

This is lore accurate.