veteran-class

[unreal bone]

I'm gonna be a zealot main November 30th

[upper jackal]

Where'd you find this pal

[unreal bone]

when that comes out

[plush oracle]

Yea I like ogryn goggle too!

[crude wind]

Zealot one is nice, rest are pretty awful

[midnight mortar]

The cosmetics are in the game already.

Just not released.

[upper jackal]

Leak?

or datamined

[midnight mortar]

It's not really a leak.

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark puts cosmetics into the game ahead of time.

It's how you can see what upcoming premium cosmetics will be, if there's new ones.

[upper jackal]

wait so how do you see this then

[plush oracle]

In reddit sah

[upper jackal]

Thank you big man

[midnight mortar]

Datamining/mods can accomplish this.

And someone usually posts it to Reddit.

[fallen geyser]

oh yeah 🙂

[upper jackal]

Is it on the official reddit?

[plush oracle]

But unfortunately preview cosmetics mode gone

[plush oracle]

Yes

[midnight mortar]

And meanwhile, Vets are still waiting for the launch trailer outfit.

[plush oracle]

Haha

[crude wind]

Ogryns too

[robust mirage]

can this be salvaged?

[midnight mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1177849014817927219/image.png?ex=65740060&is=65618b60&hm=454d0ca160170fb43f1d421fd0bc649ae45a921a426277271cc13080a38b5ac6&

[midnight mortar]

You'd need to change more than 2 perks/blessings in total, so no.

[robust mirage]

what would you change/need?

[upper jackal]

that looks like

cosmetic mod

right

[plush oracle]

Yea I was have mode

[midnight mortar]

That helmet is actually not the launch trailer helmet, sadly. It's a different helmet pairing the already existing mask with an already existing carapace helmet.

[umbral scaffold]

so which hellbore is the good one? can't remember

[upper jackal]

i hate having to play with gfn, can't use any of the mods

gotta stick with vanilla (i make it work, but still)

[plush oracle]

Oh don't worry pal

There is another version

Haha

[midnight mortar]

I know.

[devout atlas]

alright gonna run a stupid ahh mercy killer knife kantrael build

[plush oracle]

Well I hope fatshark will give us more cosmetics

[midnight mortar]

The mk2 is good for anti-shooter duty. The mk3 is good for anti-carapace.

[devout atlas]

eyy 2k dps on crushers

not bad

[upper jackal]

the voice actor for the judge has been pleading for the book cosmetic

that sits on his back

[plush oracle]

Yes I have photo too

[devout atlas]

got a question

if my weapon has 2 stamina and i grab a +3 curio to have 5 stamina, does that mean i can run 2.5x longer

or is run stamina drain % based

[upper jackal]

i'm gonna mess with him now

[plush oracle]

[untold mulch]

mostly sure stamina drain is a flat amount

[devout atlas]

ok thats actually kinda funny. 1k dps with just light spamming a crusher with a knife 💀

[devout atlas]

huh rlly? cus i cant sprint abt the same amount with my cknife (3 stam) as my grenade (6 stam)

[pure chasm]

u can inspect weapon and see stamina cost for sprinting on it

[devout atlas]

ahh I see

[pure chasm]

knife has 0.5 stam cost per... second? or smth

[devout atlas]

I guess I'll run 3 stam and 2 health curios

[untold mulch]

I am now running alwayus 3 stam and the other 2 whats relevant to the class

[devout atlas]

Im just running a silly build that uhh might actually be good

I wanted to stack speed aura with max sprint efficiency on mercy killer knife + weapon specialist kantrael on infil

and it actually kinda fucks

I am even tempted to put 20% sprint eff on my knife LMAO

[swift flax]

[devout atlas]

Wait how high can you get sprint eff in this setup?

Vanguard (-20%)
Weapon Sprint Eff (-20%)
3x Curio (-15%x3)
how do they stack? because added that'd be 85% reduction

makes me wanna run 3x 3 stam curios for the fuck of it 😭

[untold mulch]

in general stuff adds multiplicatively I believe

[pine plume]

Yeah I don't believe they stack additively

[signal mango]

any good spots/maps to get 'be methodical'?

[devout atlas]

my dumbass cant find a good multiplative percentage calculator

[pine plume]

Just do it yourself bruh

[devout atlas]

oh yea

i just did it was faster 😭

with all of those buffs I should be able to run for 2.2x longer

If I didn't do knife perk it'd be 1.8x

It's a meme build so honestly... fuck it

going all in

I just need a new stamina curio to not fuck up my old one

[low wadi]

what blessings do u want for brauto?

firefrenzy deathspitter?

or dumdum

[devout atlas]

dumdum and your choice

i like dumdum dspitter

dumdum always, #1 blessing for any iag/brauto

[crude wind]

dumdum ain't on brautos, only iags

[devout atlas]

ohh

[low wadi]

ive been using this 😱

[devout atlas]

forgor.....

..<

[karmic musk]

Stick to Helbore, you are a Sniper

[low wadi]

support sniper

if i use this is it gone then?

from blessing list

or stays?

[hollow turtle]

it stays

It's like research. It's a permanent unlock.

[low wadi]

ty

[hollow turtle]

Omg.. I.. Melk, when did you become so bold.

Modifier roll just too good to pass on.

[low wadi]

jelly

wish i knew how to use this

[hollow turtle]

I'll trade ya.

Lol if only

[low wadi]

best wep i ever got and i just cant make it work

[trim hemlock]

Golly, a good tacaxe 7

[hollow turtle]

Lol genuinely, I would take that off your hands and trade you the braced autogun if I could. I can make it work.

[upper jackal]

btw is this in the cosmetic mod?

[plush oracle]

Yea preview cosmetics mode

[upper jackal]

can you use it?

or just preview

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet

[untold mulch]

What the kark

what the kark

[plush oracle]

Just preview

[upper jackal]

ah damn

ok

[untold mulch]

HOW TF

[placid portal]

Mother of god

Right tree Helbore??

[trim hemlock]

Who the fragging hel are you?

[frank ether]

focus mark agile engagement limbsplitter bromentum..

[untold mulch]

Goddamn

[wanton dawn]

No agile engagement on my build

[placid portal]

Wait focus stacks affect stabby?

Ah I think I see

[frank ether]

I mean u dont need all those to have good bayonet

but they all work on bayonet

[placid portal]

For the Emperor + Close Quarter Drill + Brutal Momentum

🤔

[frank ether]

not the marksman focus, the middle one

[untold mulch]

The Imperium would have won already if all guardsmen could hit that hard with the bayonet

[placid portal]

Ah the Focus target stacks

Big numbers

[placid portal]

If such guardsmen can survive long enough to be even be considered a veteran

[untold mulch]

True that

[placid portal]

or if we had veteran Catachans

[frank ether]

the bayo tech has

given me reason to finally use an axe

[placid portal]

Power sword also has brutal no?

[frank ether]

yes

correct

but axe also has limbsplitter

[placid portal]

Wait

[frank ether]

which works for bayo afaik

[placid portal]

Melee blessings affect bayonets???

or just "Some"

[frank ether]

Its coded as a melee attack not ranged

[wanton dawn]

"Some"

[frank ether]

lets just say ''some'' yeah

[placid portal]

Truely the bayonet blessings that FS has given us

[wanton dawn]

I am trying to get 1m overkill damage before they patch it

[whole moon]

Brutal Momentum and Limbsplitter are the two I'm aware of, dunno if others apply

[frank ether]

mk3 bayo will become useless once they ''fix'' bromentum

its singlehandedly keeping mk3 viable

compared to mk1-2

[placid portal]

Orjust remove mk3 slash cringe move and make it do a stab

[whole moon]

In the process of making a new CAxe for it, just need plasteeeeel

[placid portal]

clearly easier to make it stab than trying to fix a dumpster fire that's called bayonet slash

[frank ether]

slash has good drags

but that doesnt mean anything

without cleave

[placid portal]

Don't help when the animation is bugged out and has atrocious delay

[untold mulch]

Fr

[frank ether]

I'm thinking it may have been intentionally left there

[placid portal]

The whole animation gets choppy but the weapon dont go choppy

[frank ether]

weapon still hits

its the animation that bugs out

[low wadi]

HELP, wich one?

[frank ether]

mk3 also has this issue with its normal ads fire btw

it will bug out and not play any sound for low charge shots

but still kill

[placid portal]

[frank ether]

mk3 just generally full of animation bugs

but I don't mind

as long as they don't nerf it directly or indirectly

[placid portal]

it can get fixed

[frank ether]

its in a fine place in a vacuum

[placid portal]

if it just stabs instead

[frank ether]

if it needs changes its animation polish

not balance changes

It also doesnt get the bayo charge movement buff the other two gets

[placid portal]

Really cringe ngl XP

[frank ether]

Its fine

[vagrant narwhal]

Tbh I've moved away from mk3 for the mk1

Or mk2

Both are more comfortable to use in my opinion

[frank ether]

mk3 is acquired taste

not everything has to be the same

[vagrant narwhal]

And bayonet is surprisingly useful on them as well

[frank ether]

people used to look at powersword 6 this way

now they want it nerfed

[vagrant narwhal]

Yeah i agree just saying I'm liking the others more ATM

[plush oracle]

Sry you can't

[frank ether]

thats fine

[devout atlas]

wtf mercy killer cknife is insane

[plush oracle]

Because mode was hidden from creator in nexus mode

[vagrant narwhal]

Just feel more consistent

[devout atlas]

i be deleting bosses in seconds because of uncanny stacks on top of mercy killer

[frank ether]

would it let you solo a DH?

[placid portal]

Ye I do use it, just cant deal with 10 poxxies with a bayonet vs mk 1&2

[frank ether]

you hit and drag horizontally

it will cleave thru

[placid portal]

If it don't focus you sure

That is hilarious

[devout atlas]

lol not really but infiltrate -90% threat let me poke away at bosses and whenever they got aggro i just yoinked it off again

[frank ether]

as long as you have a bromentum melee and you're hitting heads, mk3 bayonet will cleave at least a few

[placid portal]

might as well make it do horizontal sweep

[frank ether]

if they ever fix this ''bug'' they should really just build bromentum into base mk3 bayo

Its pointless without it

[devout atlas]

bromentum should be able to get 5 at least yea

[placid portal]

Agreed

[frank ether]

mk1-2 bayo is superior in every other way

[placid portal]

It's insane how it's faster to use bayonet than shooting enemies in close range

[frank ether]

I'm just a little skittish about knife on right tree vet cause its already such a fast weapon and I cant imagine it with an extra %25 attack speed

what kinda build do you use

[placid portal]

specials die in 2 hits with muties being only exception to law

[frank ether]

as in blessings

[placid portal]

ngl I need that desperado at least when using knife bc the attack speed difference is kinda big

[devout atlas]

Mercy and Uncanny with Flak, I have one spare slot that idk what to do with and might unironically do sprint eff for the meme

[frank ether]

I mean the bayo is there for a reason its to make up for an inherent weakness of the weapon

[devout atlas]

then Kantrael flechette with weapon spec

[whole moon]

I need to go up against more bosses, I've stabbed the Plogryn, BoN and CS doing stupid damage but want more lol. Enjoy it while I can cos there's no way that bayonet isn't getting nerfed

[placid portal]

Yea I thought it's good enough to kill bruisers but damn it mercs elites and specials if really close

over melee

[frank ether]

maybe unyielding for boss meme? Idk

I'd probably just put crit chance or something if I didnt care

[placid portal]

Love unyielding + carapace in mk3

[frank ether]

for brittle procs

Idk if you run that or even need

[placid portal]

though it's kinda dumb to use unyielding for mk3 bc you 1 shot anyways

[devout atlas]

I had unyielding on there and it was honestly hilarious, I barely tried and got 45k boss dps, the moment I started the special -> light knife combo the boss's healthbar just started dissapearing

[placid portal]

Special light combo is really heckinf fun for knife

it's an insta knife heavy

[arctic hull]

Important question to everyone here. Does Brittleness/Rending affect Monstrosities, unyielding or maniacs?

[placid portal]

ye

it don't affect infested/unarmored only

[devout atlas]

we killed a chaos spawn and demonhost (ogryn aggro'd) and doinked them both, all 3 of my kraks did less than one mercy killer head stab i think so I'm switching to shredders

somethng like 2k+ dps on crushers its hilarious

[frank ether]

I have this unyielding/carapace helbore 3 that does absurd boss dps but its a real struggle against DH due to their weakspot constantly moving in a pattern thats... honestly impossible to hit consistently with a charge gun.

[placid portal]

honestly Demonhost is hard to tap heads when they're movin

[frank ether]

DH is such a fringe case its a mistake to begin with but I'm just helpless whenever it happens

I can only do reliable dps

when they start the kill animation

[devout atlas]

also Out For Blood sucks fuck that shit

[frank ether]

yeah

[devout atlas]

Confirmed Kill is better for melee ong

[placid portal]

same

[frank ether]

agree

OFB weak af and no toughness DR either

[placid portal]

who even touches out for blood

🤔

[devout atlas]

I wish Smoke wasn't mid because it'd be actually nice

[frank ether]

if it had some toughness DR built in I could care for it

[arctic hull]

damn. so if ur trying to delete a monstrosity theres a huge difference between a boltgun with shattering impact and one without

[frank ether]

I've seen some really impressive ideas to make smoke good the devs just don't want to do it

like make smoke 2 sec stealth on pop

or extinguish fires

[junior grail]

I just want enemies to be highlighted in the smoke at the very least

[placid portal]

yes but you also lose out on surgical crit shots

[placid portal]

this, this is the answer

[whole moon]

DH has a predictable moveset. I've been close to sussing it for a while now but I don't practice enough on em. Can almost stunlock em w Ogryn too (or could under previous patch)

[placid portal]

[devout atlas]

Imho since smokes irl are usually white phosphor, make them debuff enemies also when they leave the smoke. A gunner shouldn't have perfect accuracy after leaving a fucking cloud of white phosphor 😭

[signal mango]

any recommendations on map/weapons for 'be methodical'?
(20sec focusfire)

[junior grail]

Naw naw all enemies must have 100% accuracy in any situation and any range

[devout atlas]

not like Zealots stun grenade, but maybe force enemies to walk not run out of it for X amount of seconds, massively decrease ranged accuracy for X seconds

[placid portal]

Counter fire Columus/Agripinaa Autogun or Kantrael lasgun

[whole moon]

Harder difficulties have more ult extending enemies

[placid portal]

Remember to use counter fire to kill shooters for free refresh

[frank ether]

monkey paw curls

''smokes now increase player spread and recoil by %50''

[devout atlas]

if we dont die from ogrynheimer we shouldnt be affected from this

[placid portal]

nah I'd rather have it enable friendly fire for both teammates and enemies

[junior grail]

Honestly itd be more fun to have at least a lil bit of friendly fire

Knockback or something

[arctic hull]

im an auric maelstrom solo player so i kind of need a weapon that will delete bosses

[placid portal]

don't pair with veterans

[frank ether]

vets have it bad enough with poor visibility

[arctic hull]

theyre the only mobs that consistenly hit u through invisibility

[placid portal]

ngl the only reason I wouldn't want to be pairing with another vet in a team is bc you end up doing a shooting gallery competition

[junior grail]

If there's an Ogryn on the team, visibility is gonna be poor by default

[placid portal]

[frank ledge]

https://youtu.be/lghEN_JFHq0?t=19
How about we riot till the devs fix this shit

[vagrant narwhal]

Depends on what they bring a bit but yeah can be a damn mess

[placid portal]

I usually meet Plasma/Columnus

So kinda harsh competition for Elite/Special Killing

[vagrant narwhal]

Ah yeah

I'm fine with plasma as long as they prioritize flamers and stuff

Gunners especially

[placid portal]

mfw the plasma bois gun down the shooters

but if that wasn't worse

Revolvers

3 out of the 4 classes have em

[vagrant narwhal]

Because since i mostly use the helbore they can be annoying

[placid portal]

and it's super lethal

[placid portal]

ah a fellow Lucius gamer

Feels good when at the end you get the most special/elite kills

[junior grail]

I heard Lucius stabbing is fun now?

[placid portal]

it's kinda goated ngl

ever since patch 15 it's a killer melee weapon

[junior grail]

Does the melee buffing talents apply to the stabs?

[placid portal]

Agile Engagement seems to work

even without the melee buff talent you still 2 tap headshot most special/elites

[vagrant narwhal]

Ye for 1 and 2 specially

But the dmg isn't the best bit

It staggers ragers and maulers on hit

[placid portal]

Bruh met a Krieger Brother with mk2, but he left as he died from losing all wounds

[frank ledge]

Daily reminder that the weak spot damage modifier applies to melee too

[placid portal]

Big money

[frank ledge]

Enjoy your shovel 3 shotting maulers

[vagrant narwhal]

Idk i like mk1 cuz doesn't really need onslaught but can still benefit of surgical

[placid portal]

Ye I like Mk1 as a good stable

mk2 got that puny toothpick knife

[vagrant narwhal]

Tru XD

[placid portal]

out of all variants mk1 has the longest bayonet

[vagrant narwhal]

And most fitting arguably too

[placid portal]

tbh thin bayonets are a thing for some rifle patterns

namely the lebelle having it inside the underbarrel of the rifle

[vagrant narwhal]

The mk3 makes no sense and mk2 seems like a great way to dmg your gun as well XD

[placid portal]

mk3 is a really nice Crusher killer

Maulers & crushers get deleted in the prescence of mk3

[vagrant narwhal]

Mmm yeah

But i got kraks with me XD

[placid portal]

problem

crusher 10 man squads

[vagrant narwhal]

And a shovel worst case scenario:)

[vagrant narwhal]

True and to that i say

https://tenor.com/view/kyoshi-gif-25351466

[placid portal]

which is why I luv me combat axe

[vagrant narwhal]

I would throw the kraks and then use the gun as much as i can before switching to melee

[devout atlas]

I think they patched this out sadly

also weakspot damage scales weirdly with weapons

[vagrant narwhal]

By that point i figure 4 should have died XD (without other impediments)

[frank ledge]

"unpatched"

[placid portal]

Weakspot damage boost is sadge, it's based on damage increased from weakpoint modifier

[frank ledge]

Works currently

Idk if they'll "fix it" since it isn't specified to be ranged

[placid portal]

So effectively, only a few weapons actually benefit from it

[devout atlas]

Oh weird, maybe back when people said that it was just straight up broken

as half of vets talents often are

[placid portal]

Vet tree is dysfunctional in the first place

[frank ledge]

Vet tree doesn't work

lazy tree

[placid portal]

man pays the taxes to the administrautum for the whole imperial guard

[thick rose]

what is good on shovel?

decimator skull crusher?

[frank ledge]

decimator and rending whatever

[unique sorrel]

uncanny seems good

funny that there's no cleave blesses for it. i guess they figure youve got enough just from the shovel

[devout atlas]

yea still works on csword can confirm. man im tired of this broken ass tree

[vagrant narwhal]

You often don't really need it imo

[stark hollow]

man headhunter auto feels so weird to use

[frank ledge]

Don't worry they'll fix it next patch and break it next

[unique sorrel]

the old fix and nerf combo

[frank ether]

precision strikes?

[devout atlas]

I've heard varying things on this passive, is it true Chainsword procs this multiple times on shreds?

[frank ledge]

No the node on the left tree

[devout atlas]

It doesn't appear to be the case but just making sure

[frank ledge]

Chainsaw doesn't seem to consider it's rev multiple hits, it doesn't apply several stats of bleed

Idk about onslaught tho

haven't tested it

[karmic musk]

bruh why do Shotguns have a higher sprint cost and lower sprint speed than the IAGs

[devout atlas]

tbh "continuous hits" is different phrasing to "melee hit"

[devout atlas]

why is this even a question? they weight significantly more

irl and in game

[karmic musk]

🤔

[frank ledge]

I disagree

My homemade can filled with pellets and gunpowder is rather light

[nimble sentinel]

don't need to run as far or as fast for home defense, raiding trenches however...

[unique sorrel]

no, and not with the blood procs either

seems like the special hit only count as one hit, if you get the brittleness on crit, it only applies once on special hit crits as well

[regal pawn]

yo. what blessings/perks on plasma gun?

[young sequoia]

yeah, this is why zealots can use chastise during a chain special to get the crit on the final chain hit

[junior needle]

Last I heard maniac/unyielding for breakpoints and blaze away/gets hot

But plasma is very particular about breakpoints and it depends on your gun stats

[stark hollow]

blaze away n gets hot for blessings. and i put maniac and elite for my blessings

[junior needle]

Truly a mess of a gun to craft, especially with the charge rate bullshit

[junior grail]

Gloryhunter not too bad too for regening toughness super quickly

[stark hollow]

also check pinned for the charge rates to damage ratio

that is v important

[junior grail]

Its gonna be harder getting a well rolled plasma than getting its level 4 blessings

[young sequoia]

my perks are flak and elite. it'll depend on your build and modifiers. mess around in the psykanium or use the breakpoint calc to figure out what works for you

[junior needle]

I just don't use the gun so I don't have to bother with all the bullshit

[hybrid token]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[stark hollow]

but it and pray

also i just replave falter with surgical and im good right?

[junior needle]

Last I checked you needed +unarmored to kill dreg shooters on a charged bodyshot

But that was some time ago

Stopping power is a bit low but yeah, replace falter, useless garbage blessing

[stark hollow]

the 25% wont get the breakpoint on a bodyshot

testing now

[junior needle]

How much are you missing it by

[stark hollow]

doing a third of its hp

perfect shot though its like 3/4

[junior needle]

Hmm, lemme pull out my old one. Enemy hp has been adjusted multiple times since then

[grizzled pebble]

You are mistaking dreg gunner with dreg shooter.

You need unarmoured for dreg shooter (smol yellow dudes).

[stark hollow]

oh

[grizzled pebble]

Unarmoured also let you 1 shot headshot the dreg gunner (big machine gun dude)

[stark hollow]

then yea the unarmored will hit the breakpoint

i guess i just gotta aim for the head then

wait does hellbore have the timing thing

i remember if you timed the shot right you either guarantee a crit or have increased damage

or am i delusional

[teal abyss]

Y’all see that Chainsword that melk is selling? That’s pretty good right

[stark hollow]

i think all our stuff is diff

[teal abyss]

Oh shit I’m an idiot lol, good to know thanks

[junior needle]

I don't think its ever worked like that, but longer charge = more damage

You can just hold it at max charge

[stark hollow]

oh i swear i remember some gun with a charge that has a special effect if you released the charge at the perfect time

maybe wrong game

[junior needle]

Probably wrong game, gears of war has timed reloads

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-fenix-fortnite-gears-of-war-dance-emote-gif-26121914

[junior needle]

Looks like you need +unarmored and another damage boost to get over the one shot charged body shot threshold

longshot works

[stark hollow]

idk why i thought timing the release perfectly when the charge filled the bar had some bonus effect

[stark hollow]

longshot?

[junior needle]

It's not an uncommon gimmick

first talent on the left side of tree

Damage bonus for distance

[stark hollow]

oh yea i have that

using a left heavy build

with krak

[junior needle]

Or sufficient distance apparently

[stark hollow]

does no respite work over surgical?

i have no res 4 but surgi 3

[dapper vessel]

yes no respite works

[junior needle]

Surgical is too good to pass up

[dapper vessel]

but enemies have to be in their stagger animation

[junior needle]

I had that from back when surgical was shit

[dapper vessel]

yes I would prefer having Surgical over No Respite now

[stark hollow]

ah

fair

[dapper vessel]

you can easily hit breakpoints with Surgical over having No Respite

[stark hollow]

ahh

also any bolter users know if this is worth a shot at upping

[junior needle]

Some people take surgical over onslaught for more crit chance

[dapper vessel]

yes

[stark hollow]

thanks

[junior needle]

And then go no respite for the second

[stark hollow]

huh

[junior needle]

Longer charge time = more ads time = more surgical stacks naturally on each shot

[midnight patrol]

Okay now I'm curious..

Does the knife play similarly to the helbore bayonet if you spam heavy?

[noble zinc]

Bayonet stronger

[gleaming adder]

Havent seen a vet rock this cosmetic set till now holy shit

[devout atlas]

that's a rlly cool chest rig

I like that it has shredders on there

[noble zinc]

It's neat but very bulky

[thick rose]

so to max out bayonet, I want brutal momentum and what else on melee weapon?

[whole moon]

Limbsplitter

[arctic hull]

im thinking of making a build with the head hunter autoguns that revolves around deadshot with three stamina curios

[umbral scaffold]

damn how the mighty fall :c

[arctic hull]

using the full auto mod to turn the headhunter autoguns into assault rifles

would no respite work?

[umbral scaffold]

no respite works for any form of stagger so if you do stagger alot or have teamates that stagger constantly it helps

[celest vine]

I heard veteran does not have a 10% crit chance anymore, that true?

[umbral scaffold]

you mena flat out?

based on what perks you choose in general i think it either way adds up to 10 percnet

[celest vine]

All classes have a 5% chance except veteran, which is 10

[umbral scaffold]

"percent"

[celest vine]

Or used to be

[umbral scaffold]

hmm ill be honest over my 1khrs of playing i never heard of that

[merry oak]

you can have around 10% crit chance if you get the one in the skill tree and weapon perk

[untold mulch]

Passively now everyoe is 5% crit

Psyker 7.5%

Vet can take a node to recover the 5% lost

get taxed again

[merry oak]

so like 15% in total? with everything?

[junior needle]

5% talent, 5% base from vet, weapon perk is 5% max. Deadshot is 25%

Each stack of surgical is 10%, so even a bit longer charge time can get you at least 10% more crit on every charged shot

[junior needle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

That's been changed. Since the talent patch I assume

[torpid trellis]

What's meta build for veteran?

[woeful ibex]

any leaks for traitors curse part 2?

[untold mulch]

Plasma?

[untold mulch]

With luck we get stuff this next days

info I mean

[junior needle]

There's multiple high performers. Plasma (strong but very tricky to build correctly), ciag, revolver all quite nuts.

[gleaming adder]

This set if I remember correctly was released alongside a zealot one where it's literally a guardsman armor with a bunch of scripture wrapped over it. Nobody bought the veteran set so it's rare to see a guy wearing it. however, the mask goes well with the recent red camo radio operator cosmetic

[untold mulch]

Revolver is perfectly balanced

Average PUG weaponry these last days

[fallen geyser]

best melee weapon for a stealth build do we think?

[pseudo horizon]

Probably the Combat Knife, those bonuses to mobility can make a stealth build an absolute speedster

[noble zinc]

I think the issue is more that revolver is one of the only GOOD ranged weapons that can somewhat deal with everything.

Something something maybe don't make everything into a bullet sponge lol

[junior needle]

It also has instant swap speed and an effective ttk of however long you need to aim for a headshot

[rotund pasture]

And with the rightmost keystone you can kill one poxwalker then double-tap Q to instantly reload 1 bullet and go right back to your melee, in the middle of a horde

Because the swap speed is so fast and the keystone that gives you reloads+buffs for melee kills seems to have a minimum of 1 bullet

Which for the revolver is actually significant

[junior needle]

Mhm, weapon specialist is either bugged or very incorrectly described, giving a guaranteed crit on your first shot.

It's even more synergistic with vet, but it's also top tier for guns on other classes

[rotund pasture]

Well as written you should get a guaranteed crit on your first shot with 3 or more stacks and you can have up to 10 right

[delicate estuary]

nothing is a bullet sponge what

[shell widget]

Do cross-class weapons keep their properties despite who's using it?

Or does something get tweaked

[rotund pasture]

Their properties?

[junior needle]

I assume it was supposed to be 3% crit per stack for 5s because 30% is very redundant with the stack cap

Something went very wrong during development

[rotund pasture]

Honestly I just use it for the free reloads, I've got surgical for the crits when I need them

But I'm not complaining about extra free crits of course lol

[junior needle]

Surgical being strong is another reason, HH requires consistent headshot uptime for value. Surgical is just "aim".

[rotund pasture]

Something like a revolver doesn't function differently on a psyker vs on a vet if that's the question? Like two grey revolvers with identical stats Will be very similar on two different classes that don't have any talent points spent yet. Obviously the talents can make a big difference.

Also there is some weird stuff here and there, like the psych are having a unique special action on the Las pistol

[noble zinc]

Someone hasn't tried using sub-par weapons yet lmao

[delicate moat]

how are u guys building vraks 7?

[junior needle]

Excepting laspistol force push they all function the same

[delicate moat]

i tried exec stance / marksman focus

it felt like shit in pubs

[junior needle]

Surgical/deadly was the blessing combo last I checked, not sure about builds. You probably don't need marksmans focus.

[delicate moat]

does vrak suck against maniacs?

[junior needle]

the entire HH line has poor maniac damage

[delicate moat]

thats probably partially why it felt bad

[junior needle]

Probably better than recons at least

Damage modifiers are typically consistent across the line unless it's like brautos where some models have stopping power and others don't

[delicate moat]

I just can't seem to make vraks work that well, not sure what builds u guys are using with it

[rotund pasture]

Only autogun I ever touch is agripinaa braced

[junior needle]

It's a very precision oriented weapon and you want to always be headshotting

[delicate moat]

headshotting isn't the problem

[rotund pasture]

Idk post your vrak

[junior needle]

Mhm, posting the weapon and your setup helps

There's been quite of few instances of "why doesn't my gun do damage" and its because the poster didn't know stopping power drastically affects damage and the gun dumped it

[rotund pasture]

I don't blame people for being confused by stuff like that though because it's so inconsistent across weapons.

For example I'm pretty sure the stopping power stat on the Stubber is just stagger and not dmg

[junior needle]

Heavy stubbers only have collateral

[rotund pasture]

Ah ok I guess that's what I'm thinking of

[delicate moat]

so here's the tree I'm working with, I would use deadshot if it didn't mean giving up nade regen

[junior needle]

Bolter used to have the problem of its stopping power only be collateral

[delicate moat]

Probably might as well ditch marksman focus anyway and use a non-keystone, not sure if it even helps with any breakpoints

[junior needle]

But that's been changed for awhile

[delicate moat]

and here's my vraks

[junior needle]

Looks fine and the gun is good. I'd personally take off the keystone/marksman and grab rending strikes for consistency and also helping with maniac damage.

[bleak bolt]

i just noticed the receiver and where the bolt sits on the upper receiver is higher than the barrel on the vraks

[delicate moat]

maybe this is what I was missing

[junior needle]

(also falloff)

Rending counteracts range falloff

[delicate moat]

screw 'em keystones

[junior needle]

Deadshot is also an option for less time spend charging surgical

[delicate moat]

yeah if i avoid the MF keystone i have points to work with

[merry oak]

wished helbore had deadshot

[junior needle]

You can take deadshot on helbore, it's a talent

Unless you mean deadly accurate

[delicate moat]

none of my other builds use Marksman Focus at all, so I was trying to see if it did anything with varks 7

[junior needle]

I personally dislike the stacking aspect, messes up consistency if you rely on it for breakpoints

[bleak bolt]

might could trade the nade regen for rending talent as well as the 5% chance nade regen on elite/spec kill

obv not as good as the 60sec guaranteed but at least you can have "both"

[frank ether]

waiting in ads is lost dps

I think the problem is percentage values

[junior needle]

Free crits are added ammo efficiency

[frank ether]

deadly accurate is such a massive dps boost that waiting for surgical can close the gap to spamming lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Good day lads, i'd like to ask if there's Krieg skin in the game, and if so...how to get it

[frank ether]

why spam 200 damage shots when you can wait and hit that reaper for like I don't know one bazingillion damage

[delicate moat]

does longshot matter with vraks 7?

[frank ether]

probably does but you can live without it

[junior needle]

Very possibly, counteracts ranged damage falloff

Tick it and see how much it affects breakpoints at range

[frank ether]

longshot is as relevant as your average engagement distance

[delicate moat]

its that i have one extra point suddenly now that i dont try to reach a keystone

[frank ether]

just get longshot then

[junior needle]

Provided you have rending strikes already

[frank ether]

its pretty consistent damage increase

yea I suppose

depends on build

[sharp ember]

the premium shop rotates every 2 weeks with no indication of what may be new or returning until it refreshes

[frank ether]

and opportunity costs

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks bud

[sharp ember]

there is a krieg skin for every class

[umbral scaffold]

Yay

[frank ether]

I think on a headhunter build I would almost always go longshot ET frags survivalist as a route

[junior needle]

There is, but it's a bit disappointing. The mask especially and the lack of tubes for the gas mask.

[frank ether]

and then make a choice when it comes to blitz

[sharp ember]

i think it rotates this... thursday? wednesday? anyone remember?

we don't even get a timer

[junior needle]

They did fix ET so it's an actual option now

[woeful ibex]

Thursday

[merry oak]

yea that one

[frank ether]

its pretty good

now that it works

[woeful ibex]

Every Thursday around Like 7:00 am sweden time?

[frank ether]

ET much more reliable than close order drill

having toughness DR that relies on your own merit rather than random ass teammates

[woeful ibex]

Or was its 7:00 pm because basing it on Fatsharks location

[delicate moat]

gonna try something like this

*wrong screenshot

[woeful ibex]

no wait

[frank ether]

ET+Iron Will probably more than good enough TDR but I guess going close order and confirmed kill might be better option than a keystone for some weapons

[woeful ibex]

@sharp ember Its 11:00 AM sweden time every thursday for skin rotations

[junior needle]

But also doesn't apply in melee, at least if you hadn't stacked it prior.

[thick rose]

how are you guys building the bayonet cheese?

talent wise

[frank ether]

I make the same argument sometimes for the damned marksman keystone and people treat me like I aim like a 80 year old lmao

I get your point though

I just think 8 seconds is... enough

[woeful ibex]

Bayonet cheese?

Hellbore Mks bayonet can stagger?

[wanton dawn]

It is the highest dps meled weapon

[woeful ibex]

which weapon?

[wanton dawn]

Bayonet

[junior needle]

Certain blessings from your melee weapon will apply to the lucius bayonet attack, like limbsplitter and brudal momentum

Apparently decapitator was also applying to your ranged weapon

[frank ether]

I'm not sure if its a bug or intentionally left in the game

[woeful ibex]

wtf

[frank ether]

but I'm choosing to believe it is intentional

[junior needle]

Because fatshark doesn't know how to consistency

[wanton dawn]

See in action: #veteran-class message

[umbral scaffold]

Damn that ironsight on lasgun is so bad i can't hit shit in dark room

[languid escarp]

muzzle flash alone already blind my aim

[wanton dawn]

It will be fixed. No way it doesnt

I got a 1m melee dmg with it already

[frank ether]

I'm worried about how the ''fix'' will happen

[merry comet]

Any tips on getting the no melee damage penance?

[frank ether]

mk1-2 has stupid dumb attack speed

and they are strong at their base stats to begin with

[umbral scaffold]

Hopefuly one day we can put attachments on weapons

[frank ether]

mk3 isn't in a position to need any nerfs

[wanton dawn]

Just remove limbsplitter and bm interaction

[frank ether]

I'll be big sad if this fucks over mk3

[junior needle]

Infiltrate with the threat reduction, use a weapon with stagger, be very paranoid, melee with good block.

[frank ether]

cause mk3 melee straight up non-viable without bm

[wanton dawn]

It should not apply to other weapon anyxay

[merry oak]

yea thats me when im using helbore mostly for its bayonet cause im too lazy to swich to melee

[wanton dawn]

I do need to switch some times

Crusher and mauler mostly

[thick rose]

its pretty funny how you can stunlock all those scary guys with the bayonet

[wanton dawn]

All special are in OS range though

Some even on body

[serene bough]

What is this

Bayonet shenanigans?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[mystic belfry]

How’s said build going

[desert isle]

ey guys, is the limbsplitter bug still workin

[ancient path]

playing with smokes kind of makes me want to go tag instead of melee because i can't see karkin' shit.

https://tenor.com/view/amirlotan-aladdin-disney-idiot-we-all-got-swords-gif-18520126

"I can't see!"
"You idiots, we all can't see!"

[fallow compass]

yes and with money when it cycles back through the store again

[delicate estuary]

just not a ventilation purge enjoyer

[ancient path]

ventilation purge with a vet with twin blast smoke grenades

[sharp ember]

I wish you could use infiltrate night vision at will

since it clears up vent purge and smoke

[languid escarp]

game isn't hard enough so you self impose Ventilation on yourself

[desert isle]

whats the build path lookin like if i wanna run plasma?

[fleet drift]

kinda feel like I have just finished rolling for my Plasmagun and Power Sword

now what should I look for on my Docket?

[gritty mirage]

if your trinkets are good you are set then

[molten anvil]

I got a 380 helbore base and was so excited

T_T garbage

[gritty mirage]

i mean hadrons exploded about 7-8 380 of mine now

[molten anvil]

T_T

[languid escarp]

congrats you won Veteran

for this patch at least

[fleet drift]

Still have docket to farm

[vagrant narwhal]

hadron will always find way to bully you :)

[gritty mirage]

i mean one day we might get the chaos wastes version in darktide, so saving up a bank is fine

[languid escarp]

a bit curious, is there any plan for new classes in the future?

[vagrant narwhal]

no clue, but it would be nice to have something mechanicus related

altho no clue how that would work out

[gritty mirage]

they havent mentioned at any rate, but we can assume they have stuff in the works

[vagrant narwhal]

I mean how many classes did vermintide get?

I seem to remember hearing about them getting a new one

[languid escarp]

they got 2 DLC classes I think

2 or 3

[vagrant narwhal]

then yeah, we can probably expect something along those lines

I would think at least

[gritty mirage]

5 characters with 4 classes each it appears

[ancient path]

🥺

[wet moon]

why does hadron hurt me like this?

[shell ginkgo]

That looks like non Hadron approved paint on those chainswords

[desert thicket]

whats the best way to get the penance 'make every shot count'

[sharp ember]

a lot of people recommend revolver because it has larger bullet hitboxes so it's harder to miss

[cerulean void]

it also has very limited ammo, meaning you're more likely to have none by the end while ensuring you'll hit everything

[untold mulch]

Revolver, overcharged plasma

[cerulean void]

unlike an automatic where even one stray bullet disqualifies you

I'm trying to get it on brauto like a madman

or some crazy crone in a hut

[mystic belfry]

Use revolver for sure

[cerulean void]

needs more concentration potions wait wrong game

[mystic belfry]

Just waste all your ammo on poxwalkers then go full melee

It’s not a hard penance tbh

[cerulean void]

be sure to ditch scav aura

go sprint speed for maximum effect

[bronze atlas]

It was way harder when scav wasn't a choice

[mystic belfry]

If you never pulled your gun back out ammo regen don’t matter

[bronze atlas]

Well, you had to spend more ammo and sometimes the last kill would give you some

[mystic belfry]

You just had to empty it

[bronze atlas]

Really? Crazy

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[grim walrus]

Perhaps new Vet cosmetics?

[mystic belfry]

Funny looking guy tbh

[stark hollow]

is that void armor

[languid escarp]

rook from r6s ahhh look

[stark hollow]

for the solar auxilia

[grim walrus]

Yes.

[stark hollow]

sick

would pay

[delicate estuary]

anyone here knows most optimal usage for weapon specialist. How many stacks to swap to ranged weapon

[stark hollow]

give us volkite weapons too pls

[languid escarp]

I kinda just use it for the melee specialist

attack speed brrrr

only one stack of ranged specialist to reload one bullet for revolver

[mystic belfry]

1

[grim walrus]

I use that Keystone for weapons such as Stub-Revolver and shotgun.

[mystic belfry]

Plasma

Plasma and revolver specifically

[languid escarp]

be honest what's the last time you run out of clip ammo with plasma in an engagement

[delicate estuary]

homies thinking I am using the most boring weapons vet has access to

[untold mulch]

Random Arma 3 model

[stark hollow]

change no respite to onslaught if you want. but mainly change stamina to unarmored and your'e gucci

[grim walrus]

Well yeah, excited for the new stuff in the works.
Thought to use it for the idea.

[untold mulch]

I hope we finally get info Monday-Tuesday

[grim walrus]

Think we will get a Hellgun soon?

[untold mulch]

Catfish joked about it

soooo fingers crossed

[grim walrus]

I hope so.

[tall torrent]

If traitor curse pt2 adds weapon sight customization it’ll be the best update yet

[languid escarp]

i wish

[grim walrus]

Personally I do not need that, I am good with what I have.
Though it would be a nice feature.

[languid escarp]

inb4 it takes up one modification slot to customize and all weapons drop with random sights tho

[tall torrent]

Would take anything over helbore iron sights

[languid escarp]

i hecking love grinding 💀

[tall torrent]

And if I have to sacrifice 25% maniac for usable sights on a helbore I’ll surely take it

[grim walrus]

Helbore isn´t that bad, for me at least.

[untold mulch]

The grind never ends

[tall torrent]

The worst change they can make however would be to increase weapon rating limit and instantly invalidate your whole arsenal

[languid escarp]

oh no not Destiny 2 sunset system

frig that shit

[shell ginkgo]

Introduce reds but you can't upgrade into them

[wanton dawn]

Ah, though it was a bit long

[mystic belfry]

it's not the reload, it's the draw time and damage in one shot with a crit

[untold mulch]

Wellm are you?

[mystic belfry]

The reload is a bonus

[untold mulch]

[ruby hull]

Aw that's cute

Bayonet go brrrrr

[mystic belfry]

So what melee weapon did you settle on for the build

[ruby hull]

Mk6 with brutal and pc

Full carapace

[mystic belfry]

That's what I figured, nice :)

[ruby hull]

I'm still waffling between mk1 and mk2 lasgun though

[mystic belfry]

I need to try that now that I have decent weapons for other stuff

[ruby hull]

I like the faster fire rate on the MK2 but mk1 has better uncharged shots and hits harder

[cerulean void]

mk2 has bad breakpoints, and I say that as a mk2 stan

[frank ledge]

Stop me fatshark

I have gone back to grudge raker ranger veteran

[ancient path]

it's pretty gnarly on a shotgun. kantrael quick swap blows heretics into vermintide 1.

[shell ginkgo]

Hadron stop this man now

[frank ledge]

I will put hammers in every place

[shell ginkgo]

We truly are in the Warhammer 40k

[frank ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1171922287486832681/image-62.png?ex=6570e5ae&is=655e70ae&hm=ffaa08daaf1cee873c263742580452c3baf6b2b21ba416131d1de27b506fa041&

Ogryn gets hammer too

[shell ginkgo]

Should be two handed.

[untold mulch]

This is cursed

[shell ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/block-this-overhead-fgc-strive-fighting-games-gif-27702127

The traitors after the Ogryn get a 2 handed hammer

[frank ledge]

That's it

I'M JOINING CHAOS

I want 2h armored ogryn

[shell ginkgo]

Please no

I already mistake a friend as a Reaper in the heat of the moment

[thick charm]

What would final step be?
Surgical 4 or..?

[junior needle]

I want the hotshot volley gun

[half ginkgo]

Ruberband into mutie grab into sniper shot into Poxburster. Yes, I think I am done for today

[tall torrent]

Swap flak to unarmored

[junior needle]

The 2 uniquely wants +unarmored to kill dreg shooters on a charged body shot.

The other variants do not have this problem

[half ginkgo]

And for helbore2 this specific BP requires pretty uncompromising roll. IIRC 78% damage and stopping at minimum

[warm idol]

is this worth upgrading or does rashad require higher finesse?

[half ginkgo]

Probably a reroll. Rashad is a bit tight in hitting Dreg Bruiser HS BP on Damna. Check in grinder how far away you are

[tribal pawn]

Anyone have good recommendations for a good generalist melee weapon for this patch thats at least decent against armor?

I'm having a hard time picking one to stick with. Was using power sword but my current one feels like slapping things with a pool noodle with its rolls

[junior needle]

Doesn't stopping power only affect not unarmored?

[ancient path]

devils claw

i'd just supplement it's bad carapiece damage with krak or a gun that fucks crushers

[half ginkgo]

Probably. Been a while since I tested 2 in grinder and that was my rolls that could kill it. I could swear my 76% stopping was just short but it’s been deleted

[ancient path]

but devils claw is very good rn

parry the world

[tribal pawn]

I do like the parry

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/3rd-strike-street-fighter_3-parry-parries-parry-god-gif-23372090

devils claw gameplay

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, DC is good but man, do I feel like absolute donkey using DC after Evis due to moveset. I consistently fuck it up

[junior needle]

I tested it in the psyk earlier and it seems like you need unarmored and another damage boost to reach one shot body/charged. That was with an 80% but it only had +20% unarmored.

[ancient path]

wdym after evis?

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, unarmored 25 is a must

[half ginkgo]

On DC4 you want L1H2 on Evis it’s H1L2

I mess up the order and start swinging single overheads unless I go pure light spam. Skill issue here

[ancient path]

oh do you mean for horde clearing?

[half ginkgo]

Yes, ma’am

[ancient path]

ah gotcha

yee

is eviscerate the name of the parry?

[half ginkgo]

Eviscerator is premier zealot melee option

[ancient path]

oh i get you now

[half ginkgo]

Basically a 2 handed chainsword

[ancient path]

finally my little peanut brain makes the connection

my bad lol

[unique sorrel]

i have a tac axe that i like for almost all situations. swings fast & hard, and it's easy to headshot armored targets

[ancient path]

yeah getting heavy strikedown after messing up and you have a whole horde chasing after you is feels bad

[half ginkgo]

Yeah, should have been more clear. I just grinded zealot weeklies and switched to vet and was like I am stupid

I run plasma/DC4 on vet

[tribal pawn]

Yeah my eviscerator combo for horde clear is usually Push Swing, H1, L1, repeat if there's a ton of them

I'll keep in mind that the DC combo is backwards

[dapper vessel]

disagree

[tribal pawn]

I'm using the tactical ax right now and it's been going alright!

[thick kestrel]

I do love the tactical axe, though it seems there's a bit of a oversampling issue with it at the moment if you get too much attack speed... it's possible to attack so quickly you cancel it's own attacks. (spam attack into the back of the crusher in the psykanium and you'll see what I mean)

it doesn't come up "too" often but it is a thing

[unique sorrel]

melee weapons that make use of weakspots have some nice synergies on vet tree, and tac axe with the +25% speed of WS has some high dmg output

[ruby hull]

Knoife

Knoife go brrrrr with ws

[fathom grail]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-gif-22561522

[tribal pawn]

I had so much fun with the knife build on Zealot and Vet but after like, 3 games I feel like I'm gonna get an RSI haha

[untold mulch]

[lime saddle]

turret weapon

[untold mulch]

Perfect for Marksman Focus

[midnight mortar]

Moving spread dictated by mobility instead of stability
Fatshark, why?

[umbral scaffold]

Any good build for lasgun?

[serene sage]

No use ballistic. Screw energy weapons

[south garnet]

Or weapons where dodge number and distance are modified by both mobility and defenses

[serene sage]

They are overrated 😤

[junior needle]

Plenty, depends on which one. There's a few to choose from.

[umbral scaffold]

Well the most efective one

[serene sage]

What kind of lasgun

[umbral scaffold]

Mark III

[junior needle]

The helbore? You need to specify

[serene sage]

I think only Helbore had Mk3

[umbral scaffold]

Uhhh i just started to play, it's the last one, the Mk3

[junior needle]

Probably, but it's good to get into the habit

Does the gun charge up on its alt fire?

If so it's a helbore

[umbral scaffold]

Helbore yes

[junior needle]

Blessings would typically be onslaught/surgical. Probably unyielding/maniac for perks.

[thorn yoke]

is this close enough to usable or did brunt fail me again?

[real mantle]

Infantry Autogun or Recon lasgun

[serene sage]

You don't have infinite nades

[junior needle]

That's fine. Even if you don't hit bruiser one shot headshots headtaker can usually get you there

[umbral scaffold]

Thank you

[serene sage]

But in turn you have a of toughness

[junior needle]

I wouldn't recommend marksman/focus for a new player, he's not going to get much if any value out of it

[thorn yoke]

Good news:

[serene sage]

Just aim

[thorn yoke]

I assume change shred for Brutal Mom and Block for... iunno carapace?

[junior needle]

Recon lasguns are in the dumpster across the board, while IAG's and especially the ciag are doing quite good

[dapper vessel]

Yes

[junior needle]

You lucked out, and yes change shred for brutal. I recommend either unarmored (only if you need it to hit bruiser one shots) or maniac if you actually hit ragers in melee.

[dapper vessel]

Nah block and Sprint efficiency doesn't matter

In that case go for Elites 10% instead

Or go for maniac 25% but you don't need maniac on rashad

Or go for Unyielding since Rashad does 2x more damage against unyielding

And switch over Shred for Brutal Momentum

[junior needle]

Typically the damage perks will put you over one breakpoint or another, even if it's not going from 2 shot to 1 shot. Going from 3 swings to 2 against a rager or something is still quite valuable.

[dapper vessel]

It's what helps with breakpoints especially

Block and Sprint efficiency sounded nice IN THEORY

[serene sage]

also there are a lot of chip damage in game

[dapper vessel]

But I would rather those 2 perks be removed from the game entirely

Due to just how useless they are in actual gameplay

Well there's an online Darktide breakpoint calculator available but it doesn't take into account talent buffs

So doing independant testing in the psykhanikum is more reliablr

[thorn yoke]

I'll probably hold off overwriting block efficiency until I give theaxe a try

[whole moon]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/ here it is if you want a play

[thorn yoke]

I usually use a pc4 power sword so I'm just trying other options atm

[junior needle]

For a demonstration of why damage perks will be important, here's a fairly well rolled rashad with headtaker and brutal. Just shy of not getting the important bruiser one shot breakpoint at max headtaker stacks while talentless.

If you aren't one shot headshotting a target, your cleave stops there. That's why getting the initial one shot is important. With a 5% melee, I'll hit it on 4 stacks of headtaker.

[thorn yoke]

... there's a 10% damage boost to melee on the vet tree.

huh

[junior needle]

It's below smokes, but smokes are uh

yikes

[thorn yoke]

don't worry, i'll pick it up with all of the extra points vets get for customization 😄

[dapper vessel]

Smokes and 5% MOVEMENT SPEED is what I run so I can save points

And I dont like using survivalist anymore

Lul

Field Improv is slept on

[vital saddle]

Soon as they make smokes either mark enemies or cause them to take extra dmg then smokes will be used more 😉

[thorn yoke]

so before keystones, the bleed on melee hit node was basically useless. is it still basically useless?

[dapper vessel]

Not really

[midnight mortar]

Against anything that isn't a monstrosity, basically yes.

[vital saddle]

Pretty much always use field improv personally except when using helbore support due to not enough points 😦

[dapper vessel]

Since it helps with less powerful melee options like shovel

[midnight mortar]

Most things die before the bleed deals appreciable damage.

[dapper vessel]

Oh yeah

Bleed procs onslaught too iirc

Hmm does it proc uncanny

[vital saddle]

Doesn't need inherent dmg to have a purpose just needs to make it also harder to be targeted when Inside them also

[vital saddle]

Nope far as Ive noticed

[dapper vessel]

Ah

[thorn yoke]

Oh. The Emperor gifted me a Columnus.

[vital saddle]

Eww braced

[midnight mortar]

Braced.

[thorn yoke]

good one these days is the IAG isn't it 😦

[midnight mortar]

Always has been.

[vital saddle]

All are good but no ads makes sniper killing kinda yikes

Which is a vet job

[midnight mortar]

Braced has been a category of solutions looking for problems.

[junior needle]

[vital saddle]

Got 2 infantry rolls of speed loader and hit close dmg and other being both close dmg perks not the frenzy one

[junior needle]

Stop hitting it and let 1/2 bleed stacks go, you've already hit max when you stopped.

You'll see number go up

At least until the stacks drop

[junior needle]

3.5/4 bricked unfortunately, also ammo is not a dump stat

[thorn yoke]

can't expect the emperor to gift me nice things, really

[vital saddle]

Seems like on Columbus infantry not stat is dump stat now

Think he meant uncanny stacks

[junior needle]

I meant onslaught, but you can't directly observe that in real time. I assume you were testing if bleeds applied it, but you only stopped to check the bleed damage after a bunch of ticks/attacks.

[languid dune]

What's a good curio combo for Vet? 1 health 2 toughness?

[vital saddle]

Pretty much what I run

[stone birch]

i run 1 wound 1 toughness 1 health

[junior needle]

Mobility is a dump stat at least, but yeah it does want 4 stats near max.

[languid dune]

Currently what I run

[vital saddle]

Ye got one with 40 mobility that struggles while moving and my other has 60

All either stats are all 75+

[stone birch]

the ET fix really helps not need that extra toughness curio

[vital saddle]

Go with 2 gunner resist and 1 sniper resist stam recov and 3 ally revive speed due to not having get back in the fight revive speed help

Don't take toughness regen due to using focus target support build

[whole moon]

It's not I agree but 9 mags of ammo is ok compared to 10 max?

[terse idol]

Toughness is okay on Vet imo

[junior needle]

Keep in mind ammo pickups are % based, so less max ammo = less value from pickups as well.

[vital saddle]

I'd link my Columnus but I'm at work 😦

[junior needle]

Ciag is heavily overtuned so it's hardly ammo starved

But it can be a factor

[vital saddle]

It's nice having 80% ammo tho

58 mag 580 reserve

Gun go brrrrr

[neon briar]

dump mobility and ammo, ez

itll probably be off meta in a balance patch or two

no need to drive yourself crazy trying to get the perfect roll right now

[vital saddle]

70% in all other stats like stopping dmg and stability is all fine tbh

[whole moon]

I'd definitely prefer NOT to dump ammo but if the rest is pushing god tier rolls I'm probably gonna live with it. Not many maps I end up completely out

Unless I actively intend to

[tribal pawn]

With how much passive ammo the Vet can get I don't think I've even come close to running low on my lasgun

[vital saddle]

I just like higher than 50 mobility due to moving and shooting a lot makes Columnus very sketchy with low rolls

Especially when u don't have suppression immunity

[whole moon]

Grenade tinkerer as standard here

[vital saddle]

What's nade tinkerer got to do with anything xD

[whole moon]

Stun immunity, I know it's weird but it's true

[spice hawk]

Idk what im doing wrong but i feel far more effective with my viii brauto than columnus v iag

[neon briar]

that was fixed unfortunately

[vital saddle]

That got patched xD

[serene sage]

is this any good? how should i change it

[vital saddle]

But I still take it due to using shredder nades

[whole moon]

Well, it's about time 😄

[neon briar]

that was one exploit i had zero guilt about using

because stuns are lameee

[vital saddle]

Always used shredder nades and they need that talent to be viable soooo

[dapper vessel]

switch unarmored for Flak

Executor is still bugged unfortunately

[slow spade]

and now the only source of stun immunity is a bad talent with a 30s cooldown :c

[whole moon]

Im too reliant on Kraks for crusher packs to use the frags

[vital saddle]

Which u can't use due to 3 tax nodes xD

[serene sage]

so what should I put in its place?

lacerate?

[vital saddle]

+1 stam why +suppression why

[sharp ember]

I like this, I would change executor to Mercy Killer for a headshots-only setup

and take the serrated blade talent

probably Unarmored to Flak too

Carapace might come in handy for speedkilling crushers

[serene sage]

i dont have mercy 4

so this will have to do for now

one more question, what do I want on dclaw and shovel?