VoC without toughness
#veteran-class
warm idol
like if they increase lvl cap
pulsar drift
cuz zealots they need time to perform
warm idol
it might make other classes too op
pulsar drift
but VOC you just shout
celest vine
like if they increase lvl cap
Trim the fat
pulsar drift
and its done
terse idol
cuz zealots they need time to perform
Let vet pull out a voxophone
pulsar drift
plus larger range lower cooldown
terse idol
I'll sing if I need to
celest vine
No level cap increases, trim the fat
terse idol
plus larger range lower cooldown
And enemy stagger
terse idol
And few boss stagger and-
pulsar drift
its understandable
keen sedge
VoC is the pocket vet chorus
warm idol
pull out a megaphone and yell imperial propaganda
pulsar drift
becuz looking at the Volley fire and infiltrate
celest vine
125 base toughness then trim out many of the bullshit never used nodes
terse idol
I wanna do the thing like in dawn of war 1 Armageddon mod when you summoned a knight
pulsar drift
1 point tax is understandable
terse idol
And the speakers go BRRRRT
slow spade
200 base toughness, 10% base crit, and 7.5% toughness per melee kill pls Uwu
celest vine
or make grenade refresh the center node at the top of the tree
warm idol
also I hope in december we get actual new weapons for vet
terse idol
Long-lasting pls
pulsar drift
XD Infiltrate is kinda like ppl only take +1 charge and thats it
celest vine
XD Infiltrate is kinda like ppl only take +1 charge and thats it
Thats all you need
pulsar drift
the rest are either useless or pointless
keen sedge
also I hope in december we get actual new weapons for vet
Shotgun hammer
bold ibex
Can anyone confirm if Thrust works with the blessing that gives +16 bleed stacks? I noticed that if the +power buffs fell off before the bleed was applied (at the end of the animation), they would not receive the damage boost even if the weapon ahd the power buff on the first hit.
I see Thrust's icon persist until the end of the animation so I'm hoping it also appleis to bleed
celest vine
warm idol
ogryn (altho tbf oggies need all the variety) and zealots are the only ones that gotten completely new weapons outside of variants
keen sedge
LETS GET A SHOTGUN HAMMER FOR VETERAN LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN
warm idol
give vets a new gun (hellgun pls)
celest vine
also I hope in december we get actual new weapons for vet
Maybe theyll release the finished boltpistol
keen sedge
give vets a new gun (hellgun pls)
give vets deez nuts
celest vine
💀
pulsar drift
thats all i need to make vet great again
keen sedge
LASER SNIPER RIFLE FOR VET
pulsar drift
see all other class can fuck the DH
terse idol
To be fair
warm idol
give helbores a scope
slow spade
Fatshark literally made art to tease us
terse idol
I don't think we gonna get a hellgun
celest vine
that will overlap with helbore too much I feel like
Base lucius does not have an optic
slow spade
they know what we want
pulsar drift
why cant we have a long las that can deal massive dmg to a single target
terse idol
Best case we get a longlas
warm idol
or give all variants the mk3 irons
pulsar drift
WE NEED OUR HAMMER
celest vine
Weapon customization by mods is cool, but its not base game
balmy terrace
That's definitely what they're trying to say, but it isn't quite that simple
BM is amazing, but can be outclassed if you're not always hitting the head (like when you're panicking). People here often say Sunder is great as it provides enough cleave to get through multiple ragers and a crusher, though I've not personally experienced it.
Your attacks will also be parts of combos, so the one hit example isn't very indicative of actual gameplay. Slaughterer or Rampage help with horde clear AND killing larger targets when active, so they're the 'halfway house' choice.
In short: any of those will be fine, they just do different things
pulsar drift
Fatshark literally made art to tease us
the underline message: go play Orgyn
warm idol
Fatshark literally made art to tease us
didnt they tease some art with a hotshot lasgun too?
fuckers blueballing me
slow spade
didnt they tease some art with a hotshot lasgun too?
wouldn't doubt it
pulsar drift
Just go play orgyn to feel what is the true vet feel like
warm idol
Weapon customization by mods is cool, but its not base game
I really want official weapon customisation
pulsar drift
BIGGER GUNS LARGER MAG BIGGER BOMB
warm idol
at the very least
basic stuff
like sights and a choice between a flashlight or bayonet
pulsar drift
and survives better
terse idol
That's definitely what they're trying to say, but it isn't quite that simple
BM...
Okay to be fair about combos
You should know how to manipulate your combo to know how to get the correct chain
celest vine
I really want official weapon customisation
They can release the boltpistol that was finished
pulsar drift
wat
warm idol
They can release the boltpistol that was finished
I want to be able to wield pistols with melee
pulsar drift
they finished it but never released, OM...wait thats just Fatshark do all day isnt it
terse idol
They drip feeding us content
celest vine
pulsar drift
make a base game and leave the rest to the mods
terse idol
Which is okay
celest vine
The model was overlayed onto the normal bolter
warm idol
they finished it but never released, OM...wait thats just Fatshark do all day is...
insert all the datamined cosmetics we still dont have
pulsar drift
i want the beta helmat (
celest vine
Wait this is only the cosmetic mod
No this is the pistol in the files slapped onto the boltgun in the base game
warm idol
I hope two handed power sword is true as well
celest vine
Really cool
terse idol
But FS is doing plenty of balance changes
warm idol
and the plasma variants
dark sorrel
just another day in the guard
terse idol
*insert all the datamined cosmetics we still dont have*
Later™️
balmy terrace
Okay to be fair about combos
You should know how to manipulate your combo to kno...
Not the point I was making. The point was that you're not just hitting a group once like in the vid example (even with BM), so it's not as definitive an example of which blessing is best as they might've hoped lol
terse idol
It is a way that FS keeps player retention
warm idol
i want the beta helmat (
if you mean the cover art stuff I am not too fond of the helm but I fucking want that vet chest
terse idol
The tide is high now and we're waiting for carnival part 2
warm idol
like holy shit why isnt it in the game already
celest vine
*insert all the datamined cosmetics we still dont have*
Or the fucking titlescreen cosmetics
nimble sentinel
currently in stupid baby jail for getting sniped while in an elevator, I'm spectating this vet hitting center mass of everything with a MG Ia
terse idol
And also having captain woofer talk to you during missions is a nice touch they added
pulsar drift
melee vet is carrying the day
celest vine
nimble sentinel
my soul is in pain
terse idol
Or the fucking titlescreen cosmetics
Later™️
warm idol
The tide is high now and we're waiting for carnival part 2
isnt the next update after dec in feb?
part 2 better be good
terse idol
Gonna be the next penance patch frfr
pulsar drift
single handed crushed 200 elites
terse idol
Or the fucking titlescreen cosmetics
Honestly suprised that wasn't included in the vanguard pack
celest vine
Kinda need new interesting cosmetics to go for
pulsar drift
power sword + plasma gun + VOC + lovly ammo refiller
warm idol
Gonna be the next penance patch frfr
I doubt we are getting new penances
but thats just my opinion
celest vine
Knowing FS they might put it into the premium shop
The vanguard costmetics arent even new for veteran
Its already in game
warm idol
the vanguard cosmetics are fucking uggo
alpine elk
I an a fool of a man. I tried to make a good shotgun and spent thousands of resources trying to get the stagger blessing
And still couldn’t get it
terse idol
Again FS can choose to drip feed us
warm idol
just give us the 9k aquillas and everyone will be happy
celest vine
Zealots scab sniper knockoff is new
alpine elk
Only to later find that I already have the blessings
pulsar drift
I an a fool of a man. I tried to make a good shotgun and spent thousands of reso...
its normal
pulsar drift
do you want hear how long did it take to get me the power cycling?
terse idol
Vanguard pack for PC exclusive is good enough
pulsar drift
XD
warm idol
I dunno man 40 bucks worth of mtx currency is a good deal
celest vine
pulsar drift
I brought the game like in August
warm idol
as someone who hates the vanguard cosmetics
celest vine
This is where the veteran stuff from the vanguard bundle came frkm
alpine elk
do you want hear how long did it take to get me the power cycling?
The thing is that I had the blessing already stored this whole time lol
Wasted like 6k plasteel cuz I was so angry
pulsar drift
things happened
alpine elk
Also power cycles huh
crude fiber
Got 2 pc4's in patch 14
warm idol
do you want hear how long did it take to get me the power cycling?
I got it since launch and I still dont have it
not even a pc3
crude fiber
First ones I've ever got since launch
warm idol
actual suffering
terse idol
as someone who hates the vanguard cosmetics
That iss why it's difficult I'll admit
alpine elk
The emperor just gifted me a power cycler 4 after a random match lol
terse idol
Nobodies gonna be really happy with either outcome
pulsar drift
I got it from Mek or dropped from mission
terse idol
but I already spent money getting the krieg set so if I can get free cosmetics I'm already happy
pulsar drift
dont quite remember
terse idol
terse idol
Saddly yes if you dont like the vanguard pack
bitter turtle
LMAO
grave cargo
Sharpshooter would probably be better on a higher difficulty setting
Because goddamn
terse idol
It sucks
pulsar drift
https://i.gyazo.com/2b622bba2d0e7048b2002369ed9f552a.jpg
maelstorm?
grave cargo
Do you do so much overkill
pulsar drift
cuz its power sword
bitter turtle
and it wasn't b/c my teammates were slacking
pulsar drift
power sowrd does huge overkill dmg
pulsar drift
sometime even suppress the total dmg
bitter turtle
we couldn't move out into the final holdout area for a good 5 min
pulsar drift
idk why
bitter turtle
nah
the overkill dmg is already separated
which ya
i did 500k overkill
but the 1.1m is the actual dmg lol
warm idol
*but I already spent money getting the krieg set so if I can get free cosmetics ...
imo the krieg set we got was ugly beyond belief
I do like the reskinned steel legion coat tho
pulsar drift
pulsar drift
my team was better at spacing up so we kinda went quick enough
warm idol
I want a proper sealed guard helmet with a visor
warm idol
and that datamined heavy flak armor
pulsar drift
but still is to prove power sowrd does incrdibale overkill dmg
alpine elk
Shotguns feels so clunky for me to use for some reason, I tried to make a build where I go into stealth and blast specials from close, but it didn’t end well at all
alpine elk
Or maybe it’s just because I used it 4 am last night
bitter turtle
but you dont need to subtract it from your dmg
warm idol
we did get that red one
bitter turtle
its already separated
drowsy sluice
bitter turtle
its not like in your run you only actually did 100k dmg lol
warm idol
but I dont like the color
pulsar drift
XD
drowsy sluice
Im so sad
bitter turtle
like
its fucked up
when i did 1.1m damage
and i can honestly say
i wasnt even carrying
the others did more LUL
pulsar drift
yup
bitter turtle
in terms of saving the run
bitter turtle
that run was fugged
warm idol
he sells dogshit
drowsy sluice
i just started 2 weeks ago
pulsar drift
oh its the weaker boss modifer?
drowsy sluice
i aint got much in terms of money
pulsar drift
do u guys got a hammer?
bitter turtle
the problem was the spawns literally neverending lol
nah
but again
it di dnt really matter
they were actually good
so the bosses always died in like 5 seconds lol
terse idol
imo the krieg set we got was ugly beyond belief
Maann
Dang I talked to someone before but eh I like em
pulsar drift
XD yea maelstorm players are the finest players I can have
terse idol
They hit back to their ww1 roots good enough for me
pulsar drift
compared to average Auric experience these days
terse idol
The vet one without the death watch helmet is kinda stinky but I do like the idea of just being shitty infantry and it covers that base
umbral scaffold
sent a random a friend request, i forgot who exactly, apparently this is his new ogryn character
pulsar drift
(I hate joining game in the middle and just lose)
terse idol
The zealot, psyker and ogrnn with the helmet krieg set slaps
stuck bridge
(I hate joining game in the middle and just lose)
free mats
warm idol
also how come we didnt get a unique helbore skin yet
terse idol
I was hoping for a longer coat and a gas mask with a tube
Yeah thats the hard part
bitter turtle
also how come we didnt get a unique helbore skin yet
you can
weapon customization mod :^)
pulsar drift
here we go again
warm idol
I dont dabble in tech heresy (I am too lazy to set it up and update every patch)
stuck bridge
they should give vet dual wield shovels
jovial dust
how good is recon 6d with infernus right now? im not really feeling it
wanton dawn
I have way to much fun with limbsplitter bayonnet
am gonna abuse it till it get fixed
fresh mango
Worth keeping and upgrading?
celest vine
Id try to get higher finesse
stuck bridge
if its your best one, top it up and use it. not great though
celest vine
Powersword is better anti armor anyway
fresh mango
How about this? got it as a random drop
grave cargo
They just need to give up the ghost on Limbsplitter and rework it
Maybe into something like 50% damage on limbs or something egregiously silly so it's for no think head empty spam swings
Wouldn't that make bodyshots on a lot of weapons better than headshots
Especially if Ogryns got that lol
fresh mango
how much longer until we get a melta gun or volley gun for horde clear
hollow turtle
I just witnessed a mutie genuinely threw someone off the edge. Like, yeeted him. No chance.
grave cargo
It's 4 stacks per swing yeah
I mean before it was absolutely ridiculous
Now, Ogryn can clear hordes a little slower than other classes specced into it
But it's not bad at all at clearing it, you just kinda need the bleed
2 heavies will guarantee a kill on almost anything even if you cleaved them for like 12 damage
I mean they're never gonna be that dense it's an unfair comparison lol
Though I did have 5 crushers literally inside of each other just last match
So that was a fun surprise
I feel like DC is on the whole in a better spot than heavy sword, except for deathblow
warm idol
so uh do yall think the two handed psword will be zealot or vet
grave cargo
Which, yeah
warm idol
I hope the latter cuz
grave cargo
Deathblow really is a little silly
warm idol
I wouldnt mind having a big slow melee
grave cargo
What would a power axe even be
terse idol
Give me claws
grave cargo
I guess it could just be that
terse idol
warm idol
Give me claws
honestly it would fit ogryn
terse idol
Oh for sure
warm idol
I just want a new vet exclusive
terse idol
Canon wise I'm sure they would stop giving them to Ogryns because they'd use it to pick their nose one too many times
grave cargo
I dunno it's really hard on level, DC is really good except it has SHIT carapace, cool special
warm idol
nothin for sparkead and boss
grave cargo
That can become multitarget damage
warm idol
dc?
grave cargo
Devil Claw
nimble sentinel
dclaw is a great weapon
grave cargo
It's really hard NOT to take heavy sword because it really has no downsides rn
warm idol
prior to getting a new chainsword (my current fav melee) it was my melee of choice
grave cargo
Even if you don't abuse deathblow
warm idol
oh does the parry work vs crushers?
nimble sentinel
take Az with a grain of salt, he never leaves the psykhanium
warm idol
take Az with a grain of salt, he never leaves the psykhanium
im the exact opposite I barely visit that place
I test my shit in the battlefield
trial by fire
grave cargo
Mine kills in like 6 hits
It has flak unamored
The parry suffers if you have more than 1 enemy attacking you at once
If there's crushers stacking overheads it can be problematic
Which is why those 5 crushers were such a nasty surprise
I parried the first one then ate 4 overheads
warm idol
first and only time I tried parrying crushers was when I had a conga line of them
needless to say
it didnt end well
warm idol
its not that it didnt end well because they all shoved their clubs up my ass in a sequence
grave cargo
I just did like 60% of a BoN healthbar in one go earlier
It also one shots muties and any other special whether you go tagging vet or melee vet
Don't even need a headshot (or vs maniac)
warm idol
yeah but chainsword got those style points tho
grave cargo
Yeah but chainsword is cooler
Checkmate
I don't care that it was nerfed because I was using it before it was buffed
warm idol
first time I encountered 40k was the og dawn of war intro
grave cargo
I KNOW it's not optimal
I do not care
I will still topscore boss damage
You cannot stop me
warm idol
I do not care
gigabased opinion
grave cargo
Probably but also that's smelly
I want to hit a boss for 20k damage rev crit
Probably close?
warm idol
only things I dont use is stuff that is legit just bad but I dont think theres weapons for vet that fit that bill atm
hoary valley
10% rending vs 10% melee damage, which gives more damage overall with a power sword
grave cargo
Backstabs hit really hard
Chainsword is pretty not good vs chaos spawn though
They flail too much
scarlet tundra
Im always pretty meh towards Zealot and then suddenly I see them 1-2 shot a boss mob and suddenly that eyebrow is up
grave cargo
You can 1 shot a daemonhost with zealot lol
warm idol
I wanna level a zealot but I hate most of their cosmetics
theres like two chest pieces I like
grave cargo
Again
warm idol
but the heads are all
grave cargo
I love how ugly Zealot can be
warm idol
skulls and b o n d a g e gear (why is that word blacklisted)
grave cargo
Fuck you
swift thistle
Fuck me
grave cargo
Oh shit I'm sorry
warm idol
neat
grave cargo
I refuse to pay for cosmetics
swift thistle
Just sell your left kidney
untold mulch
160k melkbucks goddamn
untold mulch
slim sand
alright vet chat im foreign here but i just got power cycler 4, what do now
i know its not mk 6
warm idol
thats sunder
untold mulch
I am leveling my Zealot and goddamn
grave cargo
alright vet chat im foreign here but i just got power cycler 4, what do now
Cry that you didn't get a 6
slim sand
too bad im using it anyways, im assuming infested to flak and sunder to power cycler?
grave cargo
That's not a bad sword though, I'd change infested to whatever you want, keep unyielding, and swap out slaughterer if you ahve sunder
slim sand
flak or maniac is really what im trying to firgure out
warm idol
maniac
grave cargo
That is the choice we have to make
grave cargo
Generally maniac is better than flak because mutant trains are far more likely to fuck your ass than guardsmen
nimble sentinel
remind me again why the 6 over the 3?
slim sand
gotcha ive never touched a power sword at all
grave cargo
6 has tech
nimble sentinel
I've had this for the longest time but never liked using it
grave cargo
Yeah that'll be fucking disgusting
slim sand
this was my only other option
grave cargo
I hope you're happy with yourself
wanton dawn
I love how almost NO ONE calls out my build
grave cargo
Because your teammates won't be
grave cargo
Didn't Sunder get buffed at some point or no
pulsar drift
Wait what sunder good now?
wanton dawn
grave cargo
It's been good for a while
bright coyote
imo sunder is best, i used brutal momentum for the longest time
grave cargo
Pretty sure it was pretty underwhelming and pointless at launch but now yes it's dumb as shit
bright coyote
sunder shocked me
grave cargo
It's actually just ignoring game mechanics the blessing
wanton dawn
yes
pulsar drift
Okay new power sword grinding time
grave cargo
I don't know why I just don't like it as much as the 9
wanton dawn
I updated my scoreboard again
foggy wadi
how good is that chainsaw sword?
grave cargo
It's solid A tier
foggy wadi
whats an S tier weapon for vet then?
fresh mango
finally got to upgrade it
foggy wadi
power sword 6. okay. ive been rocking the 3. whats the better stats for the 6?
been loving this gun though
marsh walrus
wanton dawn
S: lucius bayonnet
fresh mango
Whats the blessing that just boosts power called again, slaughterer?
serene sage
headtaker?
fresh mango
for guns?
serene sage
they all kinda blend in ngl
fresh mango
The headtaker burst gun
fresh mango
finally got to upgrade it <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
this one 
serene sage
oh lol
pulsar drift
Is wrath on power sword good?
fresh mango
i have ogryn brain rot sorry
pulsar drift
Okay
I have a slaughter and rampage ones
I thought these are the meta
Didn’t know sunder is good
charred scarab
do you rate DC4 > DC7 purely bc the horde combo is faster
pulsar drift
I had a good one but I surrendered it to tech priest
😦
I have either
I guess another round of painful farming power sword
🙂
pulsar drift
rip my powersowrd 3
quasi glade
why sword 6 over sword 3?
charred scarab
and horde combo is just L1 H2 repeat?
fresh mango
I like my shovel 5
two shotting reapers is cool
even if getting that close is bad idea
ocean moat
give me a good sniper
slow spade
does a plasma count?
slow spade
you unlock everything at lvl 15
ocean moat
oh ok
slow spade
so you have access to plasma
ocean moat
surer
slow spade
just keep in mind that plasma can pierce through walls
and charged shots can pierce through even thicker walls
so when the braindead zealot gets dog pounced behind a wall 50m away, you can still save them UwU
slow spade
if you use mods, Helbore
ocean moat
which one
slow spade
Revolver is also a good "sniper"
glacial mist
am i dreaming or
analog blaze
whats the 2nd best pick for a sniper
Laspistol with dead eye is actually real good too imo
slow spade
there's also a Weapon Customization mod that adds scopes
glacial mist
my lasgun bayonet deal way more damage than my melee weps
slow spade
they work too
slow spade
my lasgun bayonet deal way more damage than my melee weps
yeah bayonet needs a buff
as the Omnissiah willed UwU
glacial mist
sonic coyote
So does Onslaught mean if you hit multiple enemies it does not apply brittleness to all of them?
slow spade
I think Onslaught was fixed to also work with melee again
fair jay
Also helbore 1 and 2 have a more versatile bayonet stab special than 3
It makes me want to use mk1 more than mk3. Maybe.
idle carbon
the stab is very good
idle carbon
I saw selkie the other day, hangs out in zealot chat
probably entirely why zealot chat is like that lol
ancient path
they work too
just rip your fov using that hting lol.
fair jay
Lol I didn’t notice, that’s funny
ancient path
we dont have engagement distances for scopes
and as soon as you scope in, crusher spawns behind you
fair jay
Do weapon customization scopes actually apply a zoom?
That’s kinda messed up if it does lol
idle carbon
they do, though currently they're a bit janky
versed merlin
leaden skiff
The XII is the old news right? What's the new hotness for infantry las?
fair jay
Aren’t all the lasguns fine now
leaden skiff
I just don't wanna sit there and charge wit the hellbore, but it does have bayonet
fair jay
I hear about the mg1a a lot though
ancient path
im sorry for whatever group i get into
fair jay
im sorry for whatever group i get into
Smoke nade erry day
ancient path
I want demo team but im not sure if I wanna drop weapon specialist for it
idk if smokes need twinned blast
its just funny
fair jay
Smonk
idle carbon
I haven't tried smokes for ages
the survivalist tax makes smokes just not worth it, especially if I want to go commando vet
fair jay
You could make a Smonk build for when there are 2 vets
And just not use survivalist with smoke since the other vet is
idle carbon
then they inevitably eat dirt, leave, and we're left with a silly vet that doesn't do the best thing a vet does :P
latent vapor
where can I find good vet builds?
idle carbon
like, move survivalist to that central node before the grenades at baseline amount as a general aura like psyker has for a bunch of stuff, then rework the sharpshooter aura to be something like +15% finesse or smth
so you no longer have to just eat that point tax every time
fair jay
where can I find good vet builds?
Try discord search in:veteran-class has:image and see what happens
fair jay
like, move survivalist to that central node before the grenades at baseline amou...
Yeah it’s sad that there’s so many taxes on vet tree.
grave cargo
This is my favorite vet build I guess, sucks that you can't get survivalist
fair jay
Just conserve ammo, ez!
quasi tulip
what's with all these purist ranged vets that just die instantly?
grave cargo
but you get Desperado, 30% weakspot, attack speed, iron will, and have an "ok" amount of toughness
No Exhilirating because I run shotty or brauto so I'm not really headshotting
idle carbon
I like meself a good infil commando vet with kraks, nuke everything with a columnus
grave cargo
Also no out for blood which still makes you a little harder to sustain than I'd like if shtf but eh
Just spam shout
You get enough cdr from killing specials you should have it often
fair jay
I like meself a good infil commando vet with kraks, nuke everything with a colum...
Shroud Infil shred vet but with columnus
grave cargo
I hate how going survivalist basically means you have to choose between Desperado or Iron Will
I also run 60% sniper and gunner res
coral skiff
I think that Iron Will would be the choice. Never hurts to have more defense you know
serene sage
what's with all these purist ranged vets that just die instantly?
just your average Marksman Focus gameplay
grave cargo
Since snipers don't hit you often, but when they do it can be catasrophic
serene sage
you are just missing the crab walk shenanigans
grave cargo
I fucking hate Marksman Focus
Legit the worst designed keystone fullstop
Even more than Psyker's nonsense
fair jay
I like it enough but I feel marksman could use an addition where you can move without losing stacks if nobody is near you, like with that other talent based on enemy proximity
junior grail
I read someone suggest Marksman Focus should lose stacks when hit rather than when moving.
More preferable if you ask me
grave cargo
I know
I mean the alternative is a 5% boost or a 10% boost for 5 seconds
At least maybe I’m giving an ogryn with lynchpin something
serene sage
^
grave cargo
Did I forget that node
serene sage
10% melee bro
grave cargo
Whoops
serene sage
yeah you took crit
grave cargo
Well thanks for pointing that out
wanton dawn
scoreboard, scoreboard_dmg, scoreboard_defensive something, custom implementation of true_level and loadout monitor
grave cargo
Oh damn lol
fair jay
And yeah someone mentioned disrupt destiny, MAN I love disrupt destiny as scryer gunpsyker
grave cargo
It really is that bad then
fair jay
i'm only not playing that because i need my BB penances
grave cargo
also im very partial to never taking improvised medkit/ammo
I like it because it’s just a great QoL and mostly helps Ogryns out
Since I don’t run demo team
solar sky
Since I don’t run demo team
pretty sure demo team is self only now
idle carbon
if you want scorebaord stuff, I also suggest overproof's scoreboard
if you don't care about the scoring aspect, but it gives the best raw numbers
wanton dawn
cuz standard loadout monitor only includes primary, secondary and main talent in scoreboard
grave cargo
Even more reason not to take it then
wanton dawn
Again, I customize my stuff
fair jay
if you want scorebaord stuff, I also suggest overproof's scoreboard
if you don't...
oh thanks yeah i just care about raw numbers. Overproof's scoreboard?
devout atlas
Since I don’t run demo team
demo team is self only although it's usually better than field improv anyway tbh
wanton dawn
Yes and no. I don't redistribute what I don't own
idle carbon
oh thanks yeah i just care about raw numbers. Overproof's scoreboard?
it's an addon for regular scoreboard, so it's a dependency, plus you should probably disable just about all the plugins under regular scoreboard to get it to look right
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/241
but it's really worth it
grave cargo
Alright well, fixed lmao
wanton dawn
I will do some adjustment over the week-end and see what I can do in term of "redistribution"
grave cargo
Not sure how much 10% melee damage will matter but def can't hurt
devout atlas
I just like field improv
it's just unreliable in terms of usefulness. you can go multiple games without it ever helping which is why I tend to ignore it. demo team seems bad at first but on auric you'll have it trigger multiple times a minute on some occasions
idle carbon
you can always poke him about it in the modding discord
wanton dawn
But putting my own code for something which is basically rebaked loadout monitor would be very on the nose
grave cargo
Multiplicative would be worse than additive
devout atlas
Not sure how much 10% melee damage will matter but def can't hurt
can help reach breakpoints like with mk6 crusher combo
grave cargo
Either way this is my brauto build
wanton dawn
On that note, i'll be trying my first bayonnet maelstrom
grave cargo
So I do a lot of magdumping when I see things I don't like
wanton dawn
Then i go to sleep 
vivid bolt
is left melee or?
languid escarp
duck and dive is bad if it isnt deadshot build
tall torrent
Not sure how much 10% melee damage will matter but def can't hurt
It’s a pretty huge boost in breakpoints for combat axes
grave cargo
Chainsword chad here
tall torrent
Does that “ranged attack immunity when sprinting with stamina” work in all directions?
slow spade
Duck and Dive is bad, simply don't be shot ;)
slow spade
shrimple as that
livid fractal
can i get a basic build for braced auto? (vet build not blessings)
languid escarp
it is not immune to damage
that's gotta be a lie
lmao
you are basically saying stripped down is not a real blessing
queen skiff
Hey, I asked a question here earlier about the stub revolver. I was recommended Surgical as a blessing but I don't think I can apply Surgical to it?
idle carbon
duck and dive + stripped down make for an excellent meme build that can work especially well if the game decides to make gunner spam a thing
I've done it, it's great lol
ancient path
i use duck and dive for deadshot builds.
languid escarp
with sprint ranged immunity in game
ancient path
good way to get stam back
languid escarp
that's a lie
tall torrent
you are basically saying fatshark designed Stripped Down blessing
Stripped down allows u to charge directly at the enemy and not get hit
Without stripped down, u get hit when charging directly at the enemy
I think you can also bayonet charge between cover to cover very safely with duck & dive
queen skiff
Oh, that makes sense. So I just gotta roll a revolver with surgical from the trader?
sharp trail
what are the ideal blessings for a chainsword
queen skiff
Awesome, thank you
sharp trail
shame, i liked this one melk was selling but it only had wrath III and shred IV, i'd rather use one for AoE DPS
midnight wing
but my big dsweeps are so satifying
tall torrent
I hate the fact that bayonet requires brutal momentum to have anywhere near respectable cleave
Does wrath work on bayonet?
ancient path
do i smoke myself or the enemy for smokes vs guns?
midnight mortar
but my big dsweeps are so satifying
Your lights hit harder because they end up hitting faster.
Also horiztonal l3 is deliciosu
tame lichen
What would you all say is the best combat shotgun
ancient path
i like the kantreal but ive been hearing good things about the other ones
i like packing a punch
umbral scaffold
I just had the most refreshing sip of liquid ever. Felt like I was on the verge of death.
Anyways is there a channel for strike teams?
ancient path
i was just throwing them all over the place so i dont truly know. i think smoking the enemy is the play
grave cargo
Yeah chainsword is light spam
dusty ferry
Melk really said PC4 MK3 after I spent most of my stuff on other weapons for blessings
Bweh
wanton dawn
I am officially dead laughing at that overkill damage
grave cargo
Yeah like
I've had more overkill than actual damage dealt everytime I go sharpshooter
wanton dawn
Yeah but here I have more ovverkill damage than first damage dealt
wanton dawn
I killed a nurgle, a daemonhost, and the flak captain
tall torrent
I think BM should just be a built-in function of the bayonet or at the very least increase its cleave dmg distribution
grave cargo
Anyways I like this build
The lack of keystones sucks
but the only keystone that's actually good is weapon specialist anyways
tall torrent
Or even
grave cargo
I just have 3 health curios
With 60% gunner and sniper res
If crushers show up you just hit em with the ol krak grenade and hope your team is competent
young sequoia
With 60% gunner and sniper res
p sure they're multiplicative, not additive
grave cargo
No idea, either way I have 3 20%'s
And the difference is pretty significant comparatively
a single 20% gunner res gives you more effective toughness than +15% toughness
Against gunners
So I guess yeah if you're more worried about chip damage but boy do I hate gunners
wanton dawn
Here ya go: #1158835044006232215 message
young sequoia
gunner res supports my bad decisions in combat 
grave cargo
It lets me be more aggro
This is very much a run and gun build so gunner res lets me push and abuse duck and dive when otherwise I'd just die or have to hide in a corner
hollow turtle
Bruh. Why can't my veteran look this good?
wanton dawn
If you have the opportunty, try the bayonnet build
coral skiff
@desert hawk What flavor of Columnus? MK 2 Braced or 5 Infantry?
grave cargo
You can't full skate through a gunner, they will do chip damage to you, and taking, a lot less, is pretty nice
steel silo
Hey folks, sorry if peeps already asked, but is the lasgun with the full auto mod in a good spot with the recent patches? I always liked that one but I want to avoid having carpal tunnel at my current age lol
grave cargo
It's ok
Can't do shit to crushers, one shots everything that's not an ogryn
And Maulers
Can't really bodyshot them in 1 with a lasgun
The fact you can actually hipfire with lasguns now was the most important buff holy god
desert hawk
<@184349225570664448> What flavor of Columnus? MK 2 Braced or 5 Infantry?
the non-braced one
gusty bison
Can't do shit to crushers, one shots everything that's not an ogryn
I think flak rager is also outside its BP
iirc
desert hawk
<@184349225570664448> What flavor of Columnus? MK 2 Braced or 5 Infantry?
I have a mostly okay one and it does enough work
grave cargo
I think flak rager is also outside its BP
Probably, but side note, is it just me or do those guys never show up
gusty bison
Nah they show up a fair bit for me
grave cargo
I swear I see 6 dredge ragers for every flak one
And not just because there's 24 of them in this patrol
coral skiff
I have a mostly okay one and it does enough work
Huge. Any shotgun recommendations for the Penance?
desert hawk
Huge. Any shotgun recommendations for the Penance?
I did back in the day with the lawbringer
but any of them should be fine
just don't miss
and dump a shot every now and then into the horde to spike your accuracy
coral skiff
Does shooting like bulwarks and boss shields count as a miss or a hit.
acoustic wyvern
a miss iirc
grave cargo
There's no benefit to ever hitting a shield unless you have a fucktonne of impact or a bolter
steel silo
Can't really bodyshot them in 1 with a lasgun
Yeah I dont mind not being SUPER optimal, as long as isn't BAD I'm fine with it. Got any pointers on how I should build the thing? Or somewhere that I can read more about it? Pinned messages only tell so much
serene sage
why would someone bring this to Maelstrom xD
grave cargo
why would someone bring this to Maelstrom xD
tbh that's fine, aside from the fact it's a flamer
serene sage
really with that damage and that cloud radius?
grave cargo
It has a high burn stat and will stunlock things
coral skiff
How recently was this and did you do with a shotgun or the revolver?
serene sage
no you need cloud radius on it
iron marten
why would someone bring this to Maelstrom xD
T4 quickflame goes hard
grave cargo
It's nice don't get me wrong but it's hardly unusable
Sometimes you just have to make do with a suboptimal weapon for a bit
A little rude to take a suboptimal weapon into auric
But I did that with my ogryn like immediately because ogryn doesn't really need blessings as much as other classes
Damage doesn't matter on flamer no
Cloud radius matters because it increases the effective stagger radius by a decent amount, it's less for setting more things on fire it basically widens the stagger cloud too
But just, point it at what you wanna stagger and fan the flames makes rager hordes a breeze
Hm, really?
I'll have to take your word for it, I suppose ragers and such are buffed, but I thought I saw a zealot with a flamer stunlocking ragers the other day
I just use a brauto on my zealot
Because it's the best gun
queen skiff
Is there a way to upgrade a blessing?
grave cargo
No
queen skiff
Gotcha, thanks
grave cargo
Except hadron where you re-bless
queen skiff
I finally found surgical on a stub revolver but it's level 1
grave cargo
But no you can't turn a 3 into a 4, you just need to get a 4 to drop
queen skiff
grave cargo
Just wait for it to show up in the melkshoppe
Or else upgrade your own revolvers that don't have surgical on it
queen skiff
Sounds good, thanks
grave cargo
Hadron WILL give you garbage
But occassionally your +stam +infested revolver will have a nice blessing on it too
mystic belfry
You revolver is infested? Purge it an all who touched it.
mystic belfry
mystic belfry
Not a god roll then :)
stone birch
then it was not a god roll lol
queen skiff
I mean my current revolver does alright. Love one tapping everything in the head.
south garnet
I know my friend who had to drop a god roll because it had bad perks
Many such cases
terse idol
It just had good numbies
mystic belfry
False-messiah roll
stone birch
aye. sadly common, those. just gotta land 2 good rolls. then the other two can be changed
south garnet
Golden calf roll
stone birch
devil roll
terse idol
zealous wyvern
you could also just change surgical 1 to some really bad useless blessing and then upgrade to see if you get a better surgical
then change the bad one to something good afterwards if you do get nice surgical
then change crit to flak or maniac damage
grave cargo
Yeah alright
alpine elk
guys i am so confused. Whenever i play veteran, my game goes haywire and i get super high ping and rubberbands left and right, whenever i dont play veteran my game runs smooth as silk
its making me go crazy
whole moon
guys i am so confused. Whenever i play veteran, my game goes haywire and i get s...
Interesting, can I ask what weps and cosmetics you run? All I can think is it's something vet specific
alpine elk
I play around with random melee and fire shotgun
I got no head, krieg shirt and some achievement pants
whole moon
Thanks! I known the game has a mem leak but to hear it's only affecting you as vet is new to me. Just curious.
alpine elk
The warp is corrupting my vet
trail loom
Any boltgun vet enjoyers?
grave cargo
Th-thanks hadron
Sprint efficiency should not be a stat
ok I can work with this though
Precog partially makes up for the lowish damage roll
native lotus
is this good
grave cargo
Hammerblow is balls but that's a good start yeah
native lotus
lol what should i do to it
grave cargo
Upgrade it and hope you get vs flak
stone birch
heresy gets a lot harder when 2 zealots and an orgryn forget that ranged weapons exist and leave it to you, an ogryn with the smoothbrain cannon, to counter snipe.
I only get 4 rocks max an engagement...
anyway, I got sniped and the team collapsed after lol
grave cargo
Shred isn't awful
Like it's not ideal
But DC's have some pretty juicy modifiers
Just put vs flak and rampage on it and that'll be a very usable sword
grave cargo
I disagree
dusk jacinth
me when im given any chance to shout revive my teammates
grave cargo
Though I suppose I get the viewpoint.
If there were no + damage stats it would be pretty nice
I can see how that'd be optimal for
The balls to the wall infiltrator playstyle
I think he means the sprint speed bonus
thick rose
man I am getting absolutely crushed on a new 2nd vet on uprising XD
gilded wraith
Thinking about putting man-stopper and flak damage on this, then running all the vet crit talents... viable or a waste of time?
Maybe with Weapon Specialization?
wind patio
Hey, is there an option to reduce the visual effects on the Veteran's stealth? I can't see shit when I activate it
gilded wraith
Probably have to be a mod, might be worth checking for on Nexus
placid portal
Thinking about putting man-stopper and flak damage on this, then running all the...
You could, but you already have infinite cleave on special shot
Burn Bleed time
gilded wraith
You could, but you already have infinite cleave on special shot
Ah, so Scattershot might be better?
robust mesa
is chat broken for anyone else
placid portal
could be discord mobile issue
robust mesa
I mean in game
wind patio
Definitely Scattershot to guarantee crits
placid portal
tbh you get like effective crit chance of 68% with opening shot + deadshot + Weapon specialist
whole moon
There's an issue w ingame chat sometimes failing, last I heard a relog sorts it
wind patio
You wont always have weapon specialist, especially if you wanna spam the special, since the free reload doesn't give you the special
gilded wraith
So just leave it with scattershot/flechette, and add flak damage?
flat pebble
exactly
gilded wraith
Does manstopper shine on any of the shotties?
flat pebble
lawnbringer with scattershot
gilded wraith
cool. Saw a net one with man-stopper and the agripinaa slug, but not sure if it was practical.
*neat
flat pebble
agri might arguably be the weakest shotgun rn, but with full bore+no respite or scattershot+man stopper it is also good
still pretty usable shotgun
gilded wraith
I'll give the Kant a try, kind of rolled the perfect start to the build.
flat pebble
you could probably get it to ohk everything with the new left tree keystone
yeah i would definitely just stick with that kant for now especially since it’s a layup crafting wise
gilded wraith
Attrition warfare. Maybe add the shovel with serated blade to make it extra insulting.
flat pebble
i prefer scattershot no respite for kantrael shotty but the double dps for the kantrael is actually pretty good despite being kind of a meme
marsh cargo
What is veterans best melee weapon? I really like using the shovel so far
flat pebble
well your carapace is gonna be bad so i usually run it with power sword 6 lol
gilded wraith
I think shovel, rashad 2, power sword, and the sword are all considered decent
flat pebble
What is veterans best melee weapon? I really like using the shovel so far
most people’s answer is gonna be power sword but they all work mostly
wanton dawn
It is lucius mk1 or mk2
teal abyss
Devils claw is fun af
gilded wraith
Hah, pokemonster build.
flat pebble
you just have to know what you’re getting into with the melee weapon and build around it accordingly
wind patio
Hey, is there an option to reduce the visual effects on the Veteran's stealth? I...
It's tied to "Peril FX Intensity" in the "Interface" settings 
gilded wraith
Neat, good to know.
native lotus
sell or nah
wanton dawn
Proof
dapper delta
What skill do I need to use for the “resupply allies” penance?
forest scaffold
What skill do I need to use for the “resupply allies” penance?
survivalist aura
last pewter
sell or nah
not much experience with the Mk VI, but that's still a decent sword
sonic grove
Is decapitator good on combat axes?
Seems like it would be, given I run reciprocity and weapons specialist
placid portal
ah forgot about that
wanton dawn
am playing
sonic grove
what things are better
solar bone
What do you dump on Plasam gun stat wise/
forest scaffold
sell or nah
its fine
cleave damage doesn't do anything meaningful to energized attacks
hadron is gonna brick it anyway
sonic grove
I currently have thrust on my rashad axe
and decimator on my antax
along with brutal momentum
forest scaffold
Cleave Targets IS
It changes your hitmass on energized attacks
I know with brutal momentum that doesn't seem to matter
but the difference between staggering 7 poxwalkers and 12 is yuge
for that breathing room and safety
I mean yeah, its just not something you want at 0%
like collat on stubbers/rippers
or stability on helbores
To note, remember that cleave rounds up
so 11.2 cleave is 12
for whatever fatshark reasons
This is why I wish the meatgrinder would put cleave values above enemies
There's no way to know in-game
without the creature spawner mod
and put the cleave values on this page
for each attack you open
Fatshark uses weaponized incompetence?
Like, without being malicious.
They're just incompetent.
There's a lot of moving parts to their games.
And they've never been great at managing all of the language and UI tied to game code.
oh yeah, speaking of dump stats
forest scaffold
sell or nah
I wanted to post this as reference for you Feral.
your sword should be totally fine if it ends up anywhere near this
celest vine
Sunder was good tho
wanton dawn
Does stripped down make you invulnerable to sniper shots?
yes, but I don't have it here
tall torrent
yes, but I don't have it here
oh nice, I think IAG meta might be dum dum + stripped down then
native lotus
I wanted to post this as reference for you Feral.
i got power cycler iv at purple, need another game to level to gold
wooden geode
yay or nay?
elder relic
i wouldnt scrap that
dusk idol
take it just to have it
wanton dawn
Alright, I am really done now. My conclusion is that limbsplitter bayonnet might unironically be the best vet melee build
Definitely gonna get adjusted
gilded wraith
Does No Respite still buff bleed damage?
robust mesa
anyone got a decent laspistol build
whole moon
DumDum Infernus, Flak Maniac works a treat
robust mesa
Should I just go with the standard shout tree
whole moon
I went Exe with mine but it does mean I burn lots of ammo treating the glowy heads like an arcade game. Shout may do you more favours lol
I literally get 'tunnel vision' trying to extend that exe timer
And when I say literally, I really mean figuratively
ebon umbra
Definitely gonna get adjusted
u joking rn or fr. i was looking at that build and was about to test it but got drafted for lethal company
gusty bison
Alright, I am really done now. My conclusion is that limbsplitter bayonnet might...
Helbore buff was unneeded xD
grave cargo
mutant throws me off a ledge into a poxbomber being shoved away by my teammate
Not even mad the corpse ragdolled like it was TF2
umbral flame
if you had to keep one of these perks which would you keep or would you cope with the perks and put both re rolls into blessings
warm idol
is this any decent?
finite imp
if you had to keep one of these perks which would you keep or would you cope wit...
Trade block for flak
celest vine
Charge rate still reduces damage right?
finite imp
if you had to keep one of these perks which would you keep or would you cope wit...
God I wish I had uncanny
celest vine
On plasma guns
umbral flame
is this any decent?
not really
sharp ember
Charge rate still reduces damage right?
recently heard that it's been normalized for uncharged shots
umbral flame
counter point: 69
if it had a good perk or blessing roll I'd say go for it but without them its not bad but you can do better unless you're desperate for a decent base stat las pistol
thorn yoke
yes
celest vine
midnight mortar
Charge rate still reduces damage right?
Yes. It does.
midnight mortar
Does stopping power matter?
Inspect the weapon and highlight the stopping power bar.
midnight mortar
recently heard that it's been normalized for uncharged shots
It has not as of the latest hotfix.