veteran-class

[grave cargo]

They do not do much damage on their own

If you want to nuke a horde you have to throw 2

[serene sage]

Oh you don't have the buff active

[opal loom]

The fek is bleed synergy?

[serene sage]

The ping

[opal loom]

which buff?

oh

....ping an elite then toss grenade?

[serene sage]

Ping it, kill it

[gray stone]

is deadshot still worth over precision strikes for something like plasma?

[serene sage]

Then toss

[gusty sonnet]

ogryn and zealot like bleeding enemies

[grave cargo]

The bleed is extremely overrated and it's just an extra rider effect frankly

Ogryn and Zealot make their own blood

If you're taking frags to help out your teammates, don't, it's a rider effect

[opal loom]

It's got what the ~Skull~ Golden Throne craves.

[grave cargo]

Ogryns make 8 things bleed every time they swing

Zealots make 1-12 things bleed every time they swing

[opal loom]

I'm taking frag grenades to deal with hordes when pubs can't deal with them adequately.

[grave cargo]

They don't really need your help

[gusty sonnet]

Well, no I take it because it stuns, bleed is just a nice boon

[grave cargo]

If you wanna clear hordes take a devils claw

[serene sage]

Also yeah you want to throw 2 if you really want to do damage

#veteran-class message

[grave cargo]

The bleed is a rider effect that was so underwhelming as a talent they just rolled it into the base

[opal loom]

But then what do I do with my power sword? =/

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

[grave cargo]

Put it where it belongs, the trash, and git gud

Speaking of grenades

It's basically pointless to take the extra damage on kraks now huh?

Their boss damage is pretty pathetic and even with the buff still very w/e

[opal loom]

well seeing how hilariously weak it is, doesn't seem worth it. Can't even kill the weakest mob even with a +25% buff.

[eternal crystal]

sheesh

[grave cargo]

The 25% boost is for the radius too

Which imo is worth it

Frags were always something you threw to get off a revive or knock down a dangerous group

[delicate moat]

I use frags to make space, not really to rely on them to kill trash

[serene sage]

Just throw 2, you can see the videos I showed

[grave cargo]

If you wanted to clear you threw 2 with the bleed talent

[valid bluff]

How high would twinned grenade chance need to be for you to take it you think?

[grave cargo]

But I always thought that was pretty bad opportunity cost

[delicate moat]

50% at least

[ruby fulcrum]

Or all charges that comes back once a minute or something

[wanton dawn]

Add mauler

[grave cargo]

Now that it's a rider effect, if you go middle tree you can skip to grab frags if you want to crowd clear fairly reliably

[delicate moat]

even then on a slow regening / limited resource it's not good to have RNG

[grave cargo]

It's not bad just, not really what I want imo

Pretty much never wipe to a horde

Always wipe to ragers and trappers

Or those crusher trains

So I prefer kraks because it just reliably dunks on the most annoying enemies

Also it kinda depends on your melee

[wanton dawn]

I die on trapper mostly

[grave cargo]

If you don't bring a melee that can reliably deal with hordes frags can be a good help there

But also wtf are you bringing an axe on vet for

[sharp ember]

imagine if Twinned Nade let you pick up and throw back bomber nades

[delicate moat]

axe is insane

[serene sage]

CAxe is great

TacAxe maybe not so

[grave cargo]

Go play Zealot you stinkers

[serene sage]

Oh wait you're the guy who never admits you're wrong

Lol

[grave cargo]

Explain

🤔

Are you factoring in Zealot's 50% crit rate

[slow spade]

if only Vet had Zealot's damage resist :c

[grave cargo]

Because I swear I do better on Zealot axe than vet axe

[serene sage]

And Psyker peril buff
And Ogryns reload

[slow spade]

true

[wanton dawn]

Vet has a LOT of dmg buff. But poor dr

[grave cargo]

Like, more damage + way more survivability

I guess a lot of it is just Zealot's baseline stats

Better stam and such

Can play way more aggro with a Zealot

[wanton dawn]

Also zealot has stun resist

[delicate moat]

for rashad, do u just use special against rager pack?

[slow spade]

if you mean grenade tinkerer, it was fixed

oh Zealot

[grave cargo]

The stam regen delay is normalized?

[wanton dawn]

I write too fast

[grave cargo]

And the sprint speed when out of stamina?

[slow spade]

relatable

[grave cargo]

Cause those are the two stats that kinda make Zealot way easier to go full rampage with imo

Oh yeah ok I thought he still felt

Better at a baseline

[serene sage]

Tbf kinda hard to get both -.25

[grave cargo]

I can't really get both anymore, I could last patch

Now it's just not worth it

Stamina regen is very good when SHTF

[slow spade]

because a lot of builds work around stamina

[grave cargo]

The delay is literally life or death

[slow spade]

the only build that doesn't really need stamina is plasma builds

[wanton dawn]

Stam is important for melee, current topic

[slow spade]

pushes, blocks, and block attacks too

[grave cargo]

Stam is important just in general, even if you go raw sharpshooter

It's still a safety net to gtfo when you need to reposition

[fair jay]

Only takes 1 curio to get 3 stamina at least

[delicate moat]

it was a me

[grave cargo]

Zealot used to have way better base stats

Now it just has slightly better base stats

Which axe is that btw

[slow spade]

Rashad

at least it looks like one

[grave cargo]

Rashad? Yeah ok

Interesting

I suppose I need to update my lore

I've been spamming chainsword

[celest vine]

Is deadshot necessary?

[grave cargo]

no lol

[celest vine]

Im trying to get one extra point

[slow spade]

for what gun?

[grave cargo]

Zealot really doesn't need any stamina stuff

[slow spade]

for plasma, no UwU

[grave cargo]

Not from trinkets

Arguably the only two guys that benefit from stamina trinkets are still ogryn and vets

[wanton dawn]

Sliding gods no more

[slow spade]

Columbus really likes crit due to its obscene crit chain

but yeah depends on weapon

[grave cargo]

Ogryn because, you can make shields stupid af rn since they force shooters into melee with that one perk

[gusty sonnet]

deadshot columnus is not a good idea

[grave cargo]

And Vets because, you kinda do like having good stam especially since Deadshot finally doesn't penalize you for having more stamina

[delicate moat]

does something like this make sense for an axe build? Or should I dip further into weapon specialist?

[slow spade]

I use ping keystone so the stamina loss is not really noticed

[celest vine]

Infantry lasgun

[slow spade]

also a single +3 stam curio helps a ton

[grave cargo]

God why is Fire Team still so fucking baaaaaad

[celest vine]

Its one of those “its really noticeable” things

[slow spade]

I'm assuming you're using the Deadly Accurate + Headhunter combo so Deadshot helps a lot

[tall torrent]

Thx

[celest vine]

Yes

[slow spade]

faster crits to really use that Deadly Accurate damage helps a ton

[slow spade]

because fuck specialists

[celest vine]

I endlessly notice it

[fair jay]

Now that’s a lasgun

[grave cargo]

Deadshot is very strong you just have to build around it, yes, take at least one +3 Stam trinket and Duck and Dive

[slow spade]

yeah I'd use Deadshot on it, you can use the ping keystone or something to keep your stamina up in bad situations

[celest vine]

But im trying to scave one more point for extra ammo

[cerulean void]

do I cut scav?

[grave cargo]

Deadshot and Duck and Dive just need to be moved to the same tree or something

[celest vine]

But tbh lasguns dont use much ammo to start with

[grave cargo]

They're borderline twins

[forest blaze]

Cut smokes for frags

[grave cargo]

Fraternal

[cerulean void]

buh muh smokes :c

[slow spade]

you could drop this as 3s duration makes it hard to get value from

[forest blaze]

Also, you don’t need both -threat and +toughness reduction on infil. Pick one or the other

[slow spade]

that's like 1-2 attacks at best

[serene sage]

You probably don't need both low profile and damage reduction?

[forest blaze]

You won’t get attacked while in low profile

[floral lark]

I like covering fire

[serene sage]

Also smoke over frag is a bold choice

[grave cargo]

Covering Fire is pretty irrelevant unless you use a high RoF weapon

[slow spade]

fucking discord

[grave cargo]

And even then still kinda meh

[slow spade]

somehow replied to Bismarck lol

[cerulean void]

lasrifle go pew pew

[floral lark]

But I play backline vet with the xii lasgun

[cerulean void]

straight silver lets go

[serene sage]

Please stop, i need it working

[slow spade]

UwU

[grave cargo]

You only really get value from it on hordes and your teammates shouldn't be dying to them

[forest blaze]

Shouldn’t™️

[floral lark]

Or if they're getting swarmed by ravagers

[grave cargo]

SHOULDN'T

God I did an Auric where a Psyker did 62k damage

What the fuck was that shit

[delicate moat]

how in the fk

were they spectating half the match?

[forest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/wattsthesafeword-wts-pupamp-a-lot-concerned-gif-24268970

[floral lark]

Taser psyker

[grave cargo]

Just like

[slow spade]

even a smite spammer should get more than 62k lol

[grave cargo]

Only using lightning

And being downed for half the match

I revived him 3 times

[forest blaze]

Only saber

[grave cargo]

And the other two 5 times

[delicate moat]

ah the downed-half-the-match isn't helping

[grave cargo]

Fucking

[serene sage]

This of it this way, Ogryns regen 25% toughness on heavy melee (not kills, hits)
You killed the enemy means no more hits for the Ogryn while regening him 15%

[grave cargo]

Heaviest team I have ever played with

[serene sage]

I think covering fire is not great

[floral lark]

Not every teammate is a bruiser ogryn

[slow spade]

Covering Fire would be better if it lasted longer

[grave cargo]

I was in fact a bruiser ogryn

[slow spade]

3s is barely usable let alone impactful

[floral lark]

And you shoot the ones they don't see

You cover them

[grave cargo]

I was a bruiser ogryn that was also on special killing duty

Yes team don't worry I will do everything

[forest blaze]

Ogryns with kickback are on special killing duty

[grave cargo]

No I like dancing sniper shots for 30 seconds while I juggle 5 ragers I don't need help

[serene sage]

And limit yourself to a smaller subset of enemies

[grave cargo]

[serene sage]

I mean if you like it, I won't hate

I just won't run it in the current iteration

[floral lark]

You also get to shoot the ranged enemies

[grave cargo]

Kickback is really great though

[slow spade]

yeah covering fire isn't a "bad" talent

its just not very impactful

[forest blaze]

It’s so silly good.

[serene sage]

That's an understatement

[slow spade]

compared to something like Grenade Tinkerer + Shredder nades

[forest blaze]

Sillariously good

[floral lark]

Good for quick play at least

[serene sage]

Haven't seen anything outdamaging a decent Kickback Ogryn yet

[teal abyss]

How’s me Helbore?

[grave cargo]

I mean it's just nice for the fact it 2 shots snipers at any range

1 shots most specials up close

And can throw shooter gorups to the floor

[slow spade]

no Onslaught hurts, but it will demolish anything it hits

[grave cargo]

And actually has ammo now

[slow spade]

kickback needs a buff anyways

[grave cargo]

Pretty hard to find something to dislike

[tall torrent]

no onslaught
decent, viable, can be better

[slow spade]

assail tracking kickback pellets when?

[grave cargo]

But it's also not great for a gunlugger

[forest blaze]

Should shoot through more walls

[grave cargo]

It's excellent for skullbreakers and bullgryn

[slow spade]

true

I find it funny its the only shotgun with the Surgical blessing

[grave cargo]

Yeah it just doesn't get as much value out of gunlugger as other weapons do

[slow spade]

despite being the least surgical weapon possible

[serene sage]

Tfw not even slug shotguns have it

[grave cargo]

Also you will just do more damage in melee, it's not very efficient at killing gunners or even really shotgunners

[slow spade]

yeah Fatshark was smoking when they gave the Kickback Surgical

[grave cargo]

Shotgunners, very close up yeah

[floral lark]

I’m surgical with this shit, how do you want it open or closed casket?

[grave cargo]

Gunners take 2-3 hits, you can 1 tap them with a crit at close range with fullbore

Not in my experience

But I don't have a perfect kickback

Running surgical 4 and full bore 4

[serene sage]

With a kickback?

[forest blaze]

My friend has a perfect kickback and he one shots pretty well anything at any distance

[grave cargo]

Very much dependent on range and if I can activate fullbore

It can crit 1 tap snipers from

So far away though

[serene sage]

You need more than 1 for dreg gunners with kickback close range?

[grave cargo]

Which is very fun

I think I could 1 tap at close if I had unamored but I don't

[serene sage]

Send that thing back for warranty friend

I hope it's still in the return window 😔

[grave cargo]

I can 1 tap mutants if I get any extra damage from an aura or something though

[delicate moat]

wait does this require a specific tree or is it just base?

[grave cargo]

Which is very funny

[forest blaze]

What gets me is that the unarmored dudes sometimes take 2 shots from the plasma. Like yo. I’m oneshotting crushers and you’re telling me this guy ain’t dead?

[tall torrent]

You need melee dmg nodes for combat axe and 30% weakpoint / desperado

[grave cargo]

vs armor type is extremely impactful yes

[delicate moat]

[serene sage]

Bolter 💀

[grave cargo]

Ok someone explain Competitive Urge actually

Is it good?

[serene sage]

Not bad. Uptime is surprisingly high

[grave cargo]

Or does it have some kind of unexplained effect to make it not function as well as it sounds

[serene sage]

It's fine to take if you have extra point

[grave cargo]

Like an internal cooldown

[serene sage]

I wouldn't take it over Ogryn damage

[grave cargo]

Because 2.5% is low but auric maelstroms are just a giant meatgrinder

[tall torrent]

On average, for every 40 enemies killed by anyone on your team, you’ll get an 8s buff

[serene sage]

The proc can overlap and extends each other

[delicate moat]

like this?

[grave cargo]

Yeah so it's just full uptime

[serene sage]

They don't stack though

[grave cargo]

I really hate how this is what half my vet trees look like

What're your stats?

[tall torrent]

You want 10% melee, 5% melee, 30% weakpoint and a godroll (>75% on every stat except mobility) Rashad axe with unarmored + flak, brutal momentum + headtaker/decimator/thrust to hit every possible breakpoint u care abt

[grave cargo]

No I mean as far as perks and blessings

[delicate moat]

💀

hol' up i need to check my axe...

[tall torrent]

The scab bruiser 1 hit is somewhat hard to reach (talent point wise) if you’re building survivalist

Scab bruiser is 625hp

I tried a bunch of combinations and needed 25% unarmored, 10% melee, 5% melee and 30% weakpoint to get scab bruiser one shot

[valid bluff]

Ya know, the boltor having both bad ammo econ and bad swap speed is really what makes it feel oof I think

[grave cargo]

Cause mine does half that

[valid bluff]

I don't mind low ammoe econ when I can swap off and on it quickly to manage when I use it effectively

[tall torrent]

If you have desperado, yea

[grave cargo]

Or is that a gunlugger build

Cause this is my skullbreaker

[valid bluff]

but having such a low draw time makes it feel that much more noticable that its ammo econ is poor

[tall torrent]

Also I’m talking no headtaker or decimator stacks

Just first hit one tap

[untold flame]

I think just helping out bolters ammo econ and nerfing plasmas ammo econ could work to give them both niches

[tall torrent]

With just 10% and 5% melee?

[untold flame]

I really dont want them to touch plasma damage and cleave cuz that shit is rn

[grave cargo]

Daddy don't ignore me

[serene sage]

You need crit seems

Azreal crits both times

[grave cargo]

Even my gunlugger doesn't 1 shot

Just does like, 250 more damage

Desperado eh

[serene sage]

Oh

[grave cargo]

yeah I didn't think that was something you could get on a kickback

[tall torrent]

Yea, you need 10% + 5% melee + desperado/precision strikes

[grave cargo]

Actually no seriously the fuck is your build and gun that your kickback 1 shots at that range

[tall torrent]

But precision strikes is generally the better pick because it helps ur gun reach better breakpoints unless you’re dedicating to commando tree and aren’t using guns that care abt that weakpoint bonus

[grave cargo]

I don't think 10% on 1 stat and like 3% of missing stats is what's make or break here

[tall torrent]

Precision strikes hits some very good breakpoints for a lot of weapons that it’s hard to not take it for a 2 point cost

[serene sage]

The number was yellow so Azreal crits while yours didn't?

[untold mulch]

Surgical is very good

[grave cargo]

Nah even if I crit weakspot it's still not a 1 shot

[tall torrent]

Now I’m wondering do I rly want duck & dive for helbore 2

[grave cargo]

FNP as in?

[tall torrent]

Feel no pain (middle keystone)

[grave cargo]

Yeah ok, so you're getting the buff from Payback?

Or does that not even matter for killing bosses

I thought they capped bosses to 16 stacks

Or is that only bleed and infernus

Fascinating

Skullbreaker does a stupid amount of melee dps I dunno what you mean lol

[tall torrent]

For a couple specific guns it hits breakpoints

For example Mk1 IAG gets to one tap all shooters and sniper in the head with 30% weakpoint

[grave cargo]

Do you use the mk3 bully?

It's pretty OP

You can 3 shot crushers

Handle hordes

[tall torrent]

Not every gun but some guns really do benefit from that weakpoint node significantly more

[grave cargo]

Stunlock bosses

I mean like, yeah a glass cannon is better

But I really disagree with Ogryn being a bad solo class

He has insane staying power, extremely good sustained damage, he's just weak to shooters

And that's kinda arguable it's just dependent on position and the map

[gray stone]

ogryn crump best

[grave cargo]

Zealot is a much better solo char I will totally agree

Really now

[serene sage]

Solo as in solo queue or solo as in just yourself?

[grave cargo]

I can't see Vet being usable for anyone but like, the absolute top tierest of players because he has such bad staying power

You make a minor mistake and you kinda just die

What do you mean I just press F and bowling ball the map

[serene sage]

Trying doing that against a netter at 8m out

[grave cargo]

I literally have

If you start a charge while the netter is still running you'll knock them over before they brace

[serene sage]

I mean when they primed already

[grave cargo]

If you start it after, yeah you'll get netted but so will every other character

[serene sage]

Should have clarified

[grave cargo]

I guess i see what you mean about the AoE stun vs charge though

[serene sage]

Not vet, you have a bigger window to knock down

[grave cargo]

I know what you mean

[lost dawn]

shoot the trapper maybe?

[grave cargo]

I just don't really see that as relevant to myself because I'm not near good enough to do solo runs nor insane enough for that matter

[serene sage]

Sometimes you can't 😔

[grave cargo]

The most I've done is C3DWONS with a group

Which is pretty much the limit to my ability to deal with Fatshark nonsense

[lost dawn]

i can def reload quick enough with rumbler and kickback

[grave cargo]

You're basically talking about a separate game than I am to that degree, so while I acknowledge your skill, I just have to say it's not relevant for myself or my friends

[serene sage]

That's fair but you shouldn't say things like this. People will respond to disagreements.

[grave cargo]

Well I didn't initially see that as "literally solo" I thought he was referring to clutching

Now I see what he means and it's just, oh we're talking about two different things

Yes

Yes

I've watched Royale and such

Yeah no i can totally see why Ogryn would suck as a truesolo

No real disagreements there

[serene sage]

But rock hits mutants funny

[grave cargo]

I mean you can stunlock them

[serene sage]

Reddit told me so

[grave cargo]

Chaos Spawn and Plague Ogryn are a joke

[tall torrent]

It’s weird how an axe does more damage than every Ogryn melee weapon

That really surprised me when I started Ogryn

[grave cargo]

Difficult if there's other things active sure, but, in normal play ogryn completely trivalizes bosses

I mean

[vital garnet]

bromentum shovel or shield multi kills bruisers tho

[grave cargo]

I normally topscore damage on bosses anyways because bleed

Most people even in Auric are not really running optimal builds

[tall torrent]

Shovel doesn’t have BM

[vital garnet]

it does

?

[old quail]

ogryn shovel does

[grave cargo]

Ogryn shovel is what he means

[tall torrent]

Oh Ogryn shovel, yea

Regular shovel doesn’t

[grave cargo]

yeah I don't see many vets in Auric

[tall torrent]

Sad

[grave cargo]

The ones I do are usually shouty supports

So not really dealing the most damage

I did get one vet the other day doing sharpshooter damage

[serene sage]

Oh no we are not going back to the middle tree = support no damage conversa

[grave cargo]

He was like, insane

Tapping everything with plasma

[vital garnet]

yeah I’m sure, I wouldn’t think ogryn would be best for TS

[grave cargo]

But most vets I get are usually more melee focused

Or just dying

[vital garnet]

great for clutch and hard carry. what’s your preferred for TS? Vet?

[grave cargo]

Ogryn is strong for clutching revives but no I would not argue Ogryn would be good for TS

He's a little broken right now yes

You really have to try to make a bad Ogryn

[vital garnet]

yeah zealot I figured would be my pick if I was gonna TS

[serene sage]

Krak?

Oh Ogryns

[vital garnet]

all the movespeed too

[grave cargo]

What's the bug?

That's a really bad bug!

Wow

[serene sage]

No I'm trying to understand this cause frag is a type of made

Ohhh lmao

[grave cargo]

Yeah I haven't crunched the numbers but

[tall torrent]

Fire nade is great

[grave cargo]

Wow does fire do a lot of damage

They're usably good

They're just not, yeah, incredibly versatile

Except the bully clubs

Those are the most versatile

Cleavers do silly damage but nothing to armor

Also don't have amazing stagger

Shovel is kinda pointless now imo with the bully club buffs

Unless you specifically want to do brutal momentum to kinda try to turn it into a knife for hordes that can still do something to armor

[muted yarrow]

Ohh finally

[grave cargo]

Is that vet set in yet

[calm prairie]

Hell no

[grave cargo]

The game I mean

[calm prairie]

We’ll be lucky if we ever see it at this point

[grave cargo]

I don't thiunk the ogryn armor is either?

[calm prairie]

Yup

[tall torrent]

Maybe when they finally add penances for the new subclasses

[tall torrent]

None of them are

[calm prairie]

Which is funny because they literally have the armor on the wall of the cosmetic vendor lol

[grave cargo]

That is true but also I can just kill things in 3 hits with a bully club

[tall torrent]

The zealot armor in game doesn’t have parchment iirc

[calm prairie]

And all of them are in the game files

[grave cargo]

I have a love/hate relationship with brittle and skullcrusher

On the one hand, cool, I'm making enemies weaker

On the other hand, oh wait they already die from any focused build

Could be useful if you specifically build into it for say a vet running a headhunter I suppose, but even then they can still kinda just kill crushers if they build right with or without you

Wonder if we’ll ever get a difficulty 6

[tall torrent]

Would be hard to regulate because damnation QP rn is a coin toss as to whether your teammates are self capable or complete newbies

[tall torrent]

And heresy is even worse

Now it’s much more diluted because more people are getting into this game

Pretty sure darktide is in steam top seller page

[grave cargo]

idk why you'd swap, esp since you'd have to reload and swapping and reloading a kickback would take as long as just killing the crusher with the bully club

[serene sage]

brace yourselves for like a month or so while people git gud

[south vessel]

much higher hit rate for good pubbers in auric than regular in my experience

[grave cargo]

Oh you mean with shovel

Do you need HoF for that?

Or is that skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

Auric definitely helps because new players who just reached lv30 but are not fully understanding the game’s mechanics try auric once or twice and give up

[grave cargo]

There's too many of them

[vital garnet]

@wintry wadi btw what’s the setup on an axe these days?

wrong az real but oh well

[tall torrent]

BM+headtaker/decimator is optimal

[vital garnet]

Which axe?

[tall torrent]

Rashad

Or Antax

[vital garnet]

aight so not much changed lol

[grave cargo]

Remember when Rashad was trolling

[wide dagger]

Do I need to be in a strike team for "Make every shot count"?

[tall torrent]

Antax is safer
Rashad is more lethal

[charred scarab]

what's the Unarmoured for, specifically?

that's with just tree passives, right

[half ginkgo]

quick question - any perks needed to be rerolled 'fore i go farm enough plasteel to try to unlock hand cannon IV?

[charred scarab]

same setup on Zealot too?

[thick charm]

Need advice - where can I get 1 more point for 8stacks?

[charred scarab]

that explains so much, thanks

[tall torrent]

Covering fire

[half ginkgo]

drop res on shout node

its waste

[tall torrent]

And charismatic

[half ginkgo]

a total waste

[thick charm]

But it's good and saving ppl :c

[tall torrent]

Also res on shout

[thick charm]

Why tho?

[half ginkgo]

if you need shout to res you are fucked already

[tall torrent]

Yea your teammate Ogryn who infinitely regens toughness definitely appreciates that

[serene sage]

too large downdidfe

[half ginkgo]

apart from that - longed CD

[thick charm]

Isn't it extend coherency radius, therefore extending most buffs range?

[grave cargo]

Is that true even on crits

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t call it that impactful

[half ginkgo]

yes, but do not rely on coherency too much

[grave cargo]

So my two favorite zealot builds can use this just fine

[tall torrent]

Remember, coherency toughness regen turns OFF in melee combat

[grave cargo]

Neat

[tall torrent]

What’s AS

Oh ok

[delicate moat]

I have this Rashad, penetration unfortunately a bit low, but seems to be able to one shot bruisers without headtaker buff

bruisers are the guys with no head armor right?

[grave cargo]

Zealot is nice because he just does everything

He's durable fast and shreds

[half ginkgo]

you mean bruiser Azreal

[grave cargo]

Vet does get the 10% AS speed just on its own though

[delicate moat]

i can't one shot the guy with head armor unfortunately

maybe it's pen stat too low?

[half ginkgo]

yeah, yo just typed rager and I went wtf for a sec

[quasi glade]

https://i.imgur.com/U38bnfQ.png

What should I replace here?

[grave cargo]

Yeah he's got flak head

[delicate moat]

i think i have all three

[grave cargo]

Crit chance and unarmored probably are more worth replacing

[delicate moat]

maybe i needed flak instead of unyielding...

guy has like a tiny slither of health left

😅

[grave cargo]

My best axe is a tac axe II

[half ginkgo]

I really wonder if I should drop demo stockpile to grab suppression immunity here

[grave cargo]

By best I of course mean best statistically and blessing wise

Not best performance wise

And now tac axe 2 is competing for worst weapon in the game yeah

I used to run tac axes on my zealot

Probably Ogryn's power maul

I cannot think of a way to make that not a meme

[half ginkgo]

also zealot maul?

[delicate moat]

at least now i know what to farm for...

[grave cargo]

Zealot maul is OK

It's not his best weapon but it's usable

Depends on what you want

It's a good all rounder, but it won't be as focused as well, more focused weapons

Kinda like a thunderhammer now imo

Except it has an aoe stun instead of a one shot button

[half ginkgo]

btw how is hsword 7 nowadays?

[charred scarab]

if a TH was insanely agile and did incredible damage and stagger without charging, yeah

[grave cargo]

Chain axe can be as good as possible and I still won't use it

Because I hate the moveset

[charred scarab]

Crusher is fucked up good rn

[grave cargo]

lmao

I know it was usable on Zealot for a while but like

Fuck I just don't like it man

[tall torrent]

Thunderous + bloodletter?

I might need to try that

[grave cargo]

It's pretty dog in anything but the most specific of builds and blessings

The lights do hit a lot of 1s bp's though

[sick marsh]

what blessings should I have for the power sword?

[grave cargo]

Power cycler 4

That's the only thing that matters

[sick marsh]

I've got 3

[grave cargo]

Into the trash

[sick marsh]

and rampage 4

[grave cargo]

Nah you can make use of 3, rampage and slaughterer were ok when its normal attacks were better, now the sword is super reliant on being energized

Plus other weapons are better now at a baseline

It also still has really bad dodges and stamina

[tall torrent]

Power cycler 3 is kind of usable if you had to

[grave cargo]

You're just gonna be slamming special attack a lot

Because it's really not very good without being energized

I used to just run around with an unenergized PS and still topscore on damage lmao

What a stupid fucking weapon it was

I don't mind its nerfed state at all

[twin kettle]

Is the recon lasgun ass now? I almost never see anyone use it anymore

[grave cargo]

Not if you don't turn it on

It feels much better balanced now but yeah

[untold mulch]

Is pretty bad

from bad to meme tier depending on variant

[grave cargo]

This thing used to be snoozefest OP

Now it's something I don't feel dirty taking

[sick marsh]

this ok?

[untold mulch]

Pretty good almost perfect roll, Stability shouldn-t be an issue

[sick marsh]

perfect.

thx

[grave cargo]

Stability matters more on high RoF weapons

Yeah and when you get super pressured you cna't just start wildly flailing and still kill shit

Still need the space to turn it on

My issue with it before is even when you didn't turn it on, it was still better than most other melee weapons

[royal brook]

Happy Gary Indiana Friday yall. What's the strongest vet build in your opinion? Right now I'd say plasma rifle spam, or infiltrate shock trouper vet with a plasma sword.

[grave cargo]

Or at least good enough that you weren't penalized for using it suboptimally

I'm still sorta assuming that's unintended and will get fixed

At least the cancel

But who knows, Fatshark may just forget lol

Oooooo

Huh, I guess

That's wack, yeah

I didn't realize that was a change introduced by the community

By crusher do you mean uh'

The Zealot's maul?

I guess it is called the crusher yeah, ok

[wanton dawn]

This is degenerate

[tall torrent]

limbsplitter abuse? love to see it

[grave cargo]

No it's fun

[tall torrent]

this is like the only time ever where limbsplitter is good

[wanton dawn]

Also someone talked about cleave properties so

[solemn niche]

limbsplitter abuse + brutal momentum abuse (cuz why not ) vs chaos spawn https://streamable.com/mefmhr

[half ginkgo]

twas me. said 5; was wrong. looks like 6 😄

[wanton dawn]

Let's try to improve that, shall we ?

[solemn niche]

if i had pro wrist skillz I could get much better time, It's hard to move the mouse to hit the headshot on the choas spawn

[dusk jacinth]

hello vet chat

is update out

[solemn niche]

what update ?

[dusk jacinth]

which one do u think styupid

the only one with news on it

[solemn niche]

carnival part 2 ? not yet

[desert isle]

how does psword measure up against chainsword this patch?

[solemn niche]

pretty good, mk6 for single target and mk3 for aoe

[umbral scaffold]

Pro tip

#📢news-bulletin

[wanton dawn]

Rofl try. I will try to get it lower

[desert isle]

which helbore is that

i forgor

[half ginkgo]

now I am very happy that I haven't deleted my Rashad with BM IV and Limpshitter IV

[dusk jacinth]

im not going there tell me now

[umbral scaffold]

No

[dusk jacinth]

not u stupid

rhetorical

he alredyt said its not

[tall torrent]

24 stabs (22 landed)

[solemn niche]

rashad gang rise up

[tall torrent]

Helbore 1 and 2 have the same special moveset

[solemn niche]

you do 2k on headshot 2k on crit 4k on headshot crit

[half ginkgo]

for this preem degeneracy do I care if its mk. 1 or 2 helbore?

[tall torrent]

No

[solemn niche]

only difference is when you shoot the hellbore, melee damage is the same

[desert isle]

whats better for helbore, mk1 or mk2?

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn when he faces a Kriegsman armed with a bayonet:

[tall torrent]

Mk1 has better breakpoints
Mk2 shoots faster and uses less ammo per shot

[desert isle]

the fuck is a breakpoint

[pearl sapphire]

AP maybe?

[wanton dawn]

A slight improvement

[pearl sapphire]

Armor pen?

[tall torrent]

Mk1 takes less shots to kill important enemies
Mk2 shoots faster and uses less ammo

[desert isle]

ah i see

tyty

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna stop am hurting my hand

[desert isle]

whats the perks and blessings on the helbore for this

or does it not matter

[pearl sapphire]

Honestly, they should make the mk iii a stab too

[solemn niche]

for melee damage only armor perks make a difference

[wanton dawn]

I have unyielding, then you take axe with limbsplitter and bm

Oh, i know what I can do !

[tall torrent]

I think
With this strat
You can pretty consistently reach 10 stab = half health
And after that swap to regular melee and block its attacks

[desert isle]

does the limbsplitter affect bayonet melee??

[tall torrent]

Yes (unintended)

[solemn niche]

limbsplitter and brutal momentum affect bayonet melee, limbsplitter has no cooldown

[desert isle]

ah i see

aint that interesting

[tall torrent]

Limb splitter on ur melee weapon makes the bayonet permanently deal 60% more dmg

Which is pretty crazy

[desert isle]

crazy shit

thank fuck i still have that rashad axe thingy

[solemn niche]

brutal momentum lets you kill 5 enemies per stab (as long as they are lined up)

[desert isle]

what're the ideal helbore blessings

[tall torrent]

Onslaught + Surgical

[desert isle]

kk

[pearl sapphire]

Personally it’s onslaught and surgical

[tall torrent]

Idealling you’re looking for something like this

[desert isle]

damn what a fuckin gun

[tall torrent]

I unironically use this as my primary melee weapon to get maximum ranged uptime so I can dunk any bs from a distance instead of needing to draw helbore from melee

[solemn niche]

the weakness of the bayonet is carapace, but charged shot to the head + crit can quickly kill carapace enemies

so you have no weakness

[wanton dawn]

Oh my god, serated blade applies to bayonnet

[pearl sapphire]

Mines a mk iii but here it is

[tall torrent]

Agile engagement and serrated blade both apply
But serrated on its own is pretty meh without onslaught talent

[solemn niche]

imo serrated + onslaught is not worth, you do enough damage as is and the crit talent is better than onslaught

[tall torrent]

In an actual game this probably gets even better? Because you can use frag to stagger it first then use VoC for a second stagger for maximum weakspot hit uptime

[signal mango]

Any guns recommended for volleyfire/execstance?

[pearl sapphire]

Wish the charge rate were a slight better, but it works
#makehelboremk3greatagain

[desert isle]

what tree are you pairing with helbore usually

left/

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasguns
Infantry autoguns

[desert isle]

?

[solemn niche]

plasmagun is the strongest gun right now

[tall torrent]

My current build

[pearl sapphire]

Center for me

[desert isle]

ah bet

[pearl sapphire]

Mines mostly the same

[signal mango]

Any recommeded for headshot autoguns?
(that work against crusherheads?)

• all?
• only headhunters?
• only specific gun?
  (going for penance)

[tall torrent]

You want to use autoguns specifically for crushers?

[pearl sapphire]

I like the agripiina mk Ix for an all around rifle

[solemn niche]

vraks 3 is most ammo efficient headhunter autogun, columnus is strongest infantry autogun, agripinaa is best braced autogun

[signal mango]

uh-- i guess..
and ragers I guess
and penance.(volleyfire elite kill)

[tall torrent]

Columnus mk5 infantry autogun, take onslaught talent on right tree bottom

[devout atlas]

Does Serrated Blade trigger on every tick of a Chainswords shred?

[tall torrent]

No, just 1 tick (total)

[devout atlas]

coal

does Brittleness increase DOT damage?

[wanton dawn]

Not realistic but I wanted to maximize stupidity

[signal mango]

I thought colubus was a gunfu weapon which was better for adds
(i really don't know)

[tall torrent]

Sir pls speak English

[devout atlas]

they're perfectly understandable

[tall torrent]

Oh nvm

Columnus IAG is pretty versatile

You need onslaught to kill crushers though

[signal mango]

gunfu:
high mobility, sliding, backflip somersault Matrix style. rather than (turret stance)

[devout atlas]

IAGs can have alright anti-carapace if you stack Rending + Brittleness on them, although your mileage may vary. I've found Agripinaa IAG to actually do better and doesn't need Onslaught

[serene sage]

oh it's like kungfu

omg

[solemn niche]

gun fu

[serene sage]

kek

[tall torrent]

X stance drastically lowers mk5 IAG’s recoil

[pulsar drift]

Bomber dr working now?

[devout atlas]

Without Onslaught my Agripinaa IAG gets about 1.6k DPS on Crushers

[tall torrent]

Not good

[signal mango]

rending and brittleness? 🫡

[devout atlas]

Actually my bad

Onslaught is still gang

I had it on 💀

without onslaught it does 800

with 1.6k

[signal mango]

huh?

[devout atlas]

I prefer Agri IAG cause you don't need exec stance to make it work

[devout atlas]

Just correcting myself on an earlier point

but yeah pick your IAG of choice tbh

[signal mango]

I need to use Stance for penance.

[devout atlas]

Ah

Then yeah Columnus with stance fucks

[wanton dawn]

Alright, am gonna troll an auric map with this crap

[signal mango]

So, Brittleness and Rending Onslaught then?

[tall torrent]

U just need onslaught talent

[solar sky]

New guide for infiltrate veteran is out. Tried some, new stuff with the editing. Hope y'all enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2o9iOZPpus

[acoustic wyvern]

Agri has best bullet to kills ratio

[buoyant slate]

for a focus target build, how necessary is the 8stack node?

[acoustic wyvern]

8 stacks if you find yourself going for bosses

5 is fine fpr normal twerps

[tall torrent]

It’s very ammo efficient if you’re consistently popping heads with the 30% weakpoint node

[solar bone]

I dont really use the helbore guns, but this one seems alright for a melk gun. Should I bother to pick it up?

[bitter turtle]

stat rolls are fine but the blessing/perks are not

i wouldnt

[acoustic wyvern]

Ngl, if you're in damnation and you're bringing in a columnus, i wish you hadnt. Not enough oomph for kills

[bitter turtle]

3/4 are flat out terrible

[solar bone]

gotcha

to much to fix

[bitter turtle]

wtf are you talking about

it shits out damage

[serene sage]

really?

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message :^) not enough damage

[signal mango]

Need clarification:
Columnus **Braced **has:

• Deathspitter, FireFrenzy, SpeedReload, TerrifyingBarrage, Hit&Run, StrippedDown
  Vraks HeadHunter has:
• OpeningSalvo, Ghost, Falter, Surgical, NoRespite, BetweenTheEyes, HeadHunter, CruianRoulette
  I think Rending and Onstalught might be melee

[bitter turtle]

you want Columnus Infantry Autogun

Not braced

[solar bone]

is it alright to dump stat collateral a little bit on boltor? Last I knew pinning fire was one of the better blessing for it and collateral is stagger

[muted knot]

Jail for how that weapon is modded

[bitter turtle]

Also they are not talking about weapon blessings

they're talking about the talent

[half ginkgo]

onslaught is a right-hand side tree perk...

[bitter turtle]

onslaught on your tree

the one that stacks rending per hit

sorry

stacks Brittleness* per hit

[solar bone]

lol yea weapon customization makes some really random ones

[acoustic wyvern]

Its just my opinion from what ive seen in damnation runs. Just run something else imo

Not like the shredder era

[muted knot]

That shit gave me stuff not even nurgles thinks is cool

[dark flower]

idk fam i can do 3600dps on a crusher with a columnus iag

don't judge things by "what you see"

[signal mango]

Do we have a recommended Blessing/Perks for IAG?

[bitter turtle]

dumdum+ firefrenzy/deathspitter

[signal mango]

Perk: Carapace + X I guess?

[bitter turtle]

no*

flaniac

[dark flower]

no

[buoyant slate]

any bleed builds in veteran?

[dark flower]

flak man

[signal mango]

flak / maniac 🫡

[acoustic wyvern]

And that crusher is standing still not moving and hulking his weight around. Not everything in the meat grinder is optimal

[bitter turtle]

if you have trouble headshotting a crusher

that is unironically a skill issue

[dark flower]

no this was live game with healthbars mod honey

[bitter turtle]

olus

if you have bad aim

with an automatic

how the fuck is a single shot going to be better

[serene sage]

you just haven't played with a good columnus player yet

[signal mango]

You might need suppression resistance if your aim is off.
Are you being prodded by poxies while aiming?

[stuck bridge]

Brainless plasma build, lmb spam and body shot everything except ogryns

can one tap zerkers with headshots

[signal mango]

you have to be in the stance during this?

[stuck bridge]

for the breakpoints on zerk / flamer / gunner

my plasma not perfect though

[wanton dawn]

That was, by far, the most stupid build I ever attempted

[acoustic wyvern]

all this with the bayo? amazing

[wanton dawn]

hi t5 auric btw

Wanted to get a feel for it before maelstrom

[pulsar drift]

same using plasma gun, but here is the melee focus one

i m still thinking that 5 crit with dodge

i could swap to demolition team or 10 melee dmg

[stuck bridge]

its ok but most enemies only stack it when you side dodge

[pulsar drift]

yea, i m melee focus so can trigger it often

but i dont know if it is worth comparing to 10 melee dmg

[stuck bridge]

unless 10% lets you hit one taps on trash then id go for it

[pulsar drift]

or twinned blast, tho i dont think it works well 20% is still kinda low unless i run demolition team with it

i already can

10 melee doesnt have a specific breakpoiont for me

but it would be great against monstrositis

same with 1 bleeding...i rly want to take it but just cant afford the point

[stuck bridge]

bleed is a meme on most set ups

[pulsar drift]

oh rly? i thought it is great

[stuck bridge]

twinned bladst only really good on frags but takes too many points imo

want boss damage better to invest points in krak + tinker

[signal mango]

but not oneshot mauler

[stuck bridge]

no but you can drop them in 3 body shots or 1+ crit so you can keep the volley going on packs of them anyway

[pulsar drift]

twinned blast is also great for bulwaks and crushers horde

which are very common these days

but it takes too many points

[stuck bridge]

just got this

[pulsar drift]

maybe flak to maniac

imo

rip unarmoured

[stuck bridge]

need it for gunners

[pulsar drift]

oh

that makes sense

[stuck bridge]

still drops flamers with headshot in volley, flak also needed for no volley bombers

[pulsar drift]

since i am running this, perhaps crit chance is a better option here

[grave cargo]

What do you even want on this

I feel like, it already one taps flak, and unarmored, so, maniac unyielding?

[pulsar drift]

demolition team is great in maelstorm but just not anything else 😦

[stuck bridge]

maniac unyeild or maniac crit chance

wish demo team was in a better spot on the tree. hard enough techi9ng down just for iron will in most builds

[pulsar drift]

yea

[wanton dawn]

Alright, I modified my keybind and did some tree adjustment. Time to try again

[pulsar drift]

right now is hard to build a grenadier without losing key keystones

[stuck bridge]

I did up an infiltrate / krak build and it does ok boss damage, kinda memey though

[pulsar drift]

i played infiltrate for a bit

tbh it is not too great

VOC is just too good XD

[stuck bridge]

ye

[pulsar drift]

it kinda just shines over all other 2

1 point you can 50 touguness that pair well with iron well

[stuck bridge]

im trying to make volley builds work but feel so squishy a lot of the time

[pulsar drift]

while the other two takes a bunch modifer points to just to be playble lol

yea volley is kinda painful without the DR it had before

[royal brook]

Cool video. Why go down the left tree instead of the right tree at the bottom. I've been working on an infiltrate build where I use power sword and agri shotgun, and I go for grenades and bottom right tree, and pick up all the infiltrate nodes. I absolutely wreak havic in melee.

[pulsar drift]

still missed my -75 DR days

just had a game with a volley bolter

basically my ammo refiller

plasma gun is just too good

better than revolver

you dont even need to reload XD

maybe i time a game

also better ammo economy as well

can also charge shoot boss

[celest vine]

When it was buffed people said ghe plasma gun wasnt better than the revolver

[pulsar drift]

the old bolter reincarnated into plasma gun now

[celest vine]

A month later its better

[astral blade]

We vets all feel this pain

[pulsar drift]

lol exctacly, but I just discovered it recently too, I didnt know it pair so well with melee vet

[celest vine]

I took off extra ammo

[pulsar drift]

anothe day I was running zealot a vet just took all the ammo with his lovely kantreal XII

quited after that

[celest vine]

Had that happen to me

[pulsar drift]

"Stop stealing all the ammo"

[celest vine]

But the zealot was hogging ammo for his revolver

Just to miss the trappers

[pulsar drift]

XD

thats why plasma gun is better

[celest vine]

Supression immunity really do make a difference

[pulsar drift]

it has larger hit boix

[celest vine]

Miss less

[pulsar drift]

hit box

yup

[celest vine]

I primarily use infantry lasguns

[astral blade]

Heh I’ll literally call people out by name over coms and tell them “stop stealing ammo from those who need it asshole”

[pulsar drift]

but tbh if you are running plasma gun, supression immunity is not that important

[celest vine]

Sometimes I swap to a goofy plasma gun

[pulsar drift]

cuz as long as you shoot somewhere in his body

[celest vine]

It has like 12 heat resistance

[pulsar drift]

it will get hit

XD

[fresh mango]

Had an interesting bug happen today, got the Deadeye penance without even having Volley Fire equipped

[pulsar drift]

exactly, I can understand if is a volley plasma gun vet

in missions like power outrage

[fresh mango]

But I don’t have the pants

[pulsar drift]

I got it too while running on VOC

lol

but tbh if you are wasting all the ammo

[celest vine]

Psykers that dont use staff

[muted knot]

It triggers off of a teammates shared executioners stance afaik

[pulsar drift]

oh no

[astral blade]

Tbh I’ll only ever take the ammo stash if I’m in the red and I’ll generally only ever take ammo tins

[pulsar drift]

gun pskers are so popular these days

idk why

while I know the meta is voidstrike

[celest vine]

Surge and voidstrike do so much good

Even purgatus does work

[pulsar drift]

but ppl keep running guns

idk why

[celest vine]

Purgatus is apart of this mad snowballing build with soulblaze

[pulsar drift]

I cant see the elites while pumping fire

[celest vine]

Soulblaze snowballing is so much more useful than a gun psyker

[pulsar drift]

my screen is totally blue

[fresh mango]

revolver psyker is super good

[celest vine]

You know whats even better?

[pulsar drift]

if is revolver I can understand

but why recon guns?

[celest vine]

Letting your plasma vet have ammo

[fresh mango]

recon? Not sure

[celest vine]

schizo wizards

[frank ether]

you're not getting ammo with a recon vet in your team lmao

[pulsar drift]

I have seen tons of recon plasma gun psykers

[fresh mango]

Schizo cowboy wizard

[pulsar drift]

recon lasgun

pardon me

[celest vine]

I have not seen a vet use recon in weeks

[pulsar drift]

i mean even if you are running Kantreal XII

[dark flower]

i saw one yesterday

[pulsar drift]

I can understand

[terse idol]

I used recon yesterday

[pulsar drift]

but why recon

[umbral scaffold]

Recon las gunkers are the worst ammo vacuums in my experience

[terse idol]

🥹

Oh sorry

[celest vine]

They prefer bolters if they’re being goofy

[terse idol]

Recon the gun

[celest vine]

Its still top tier

[terse idol]

Yeah it's not hot

[dark flower]

i love sniper bolter in the year 2023

[terse idol]

But folks will run it because they probably dont know better still a fun gun

[frank ether]

I had one today in malice and they got outdamaged against my lvl20 psyker

[pulsar drift]

true is fun

but then why not just go play vet

[frank ether]

mind you I was playing gunpsyker

and was starved off of ammo

[warm idol]

its fun and at this point thatd all that matters

wait ur talking psyker

not vet

[pulsar drift]

yup

[terse idol]

Yeah like it has some history on the 40k universe, even I used it until i learned how terrible it was

[warm idol]

in that case I dunno

[celest vine]

Roll with the punches

[pulsar drift]

recon gunskyers

[celest vine]

I use infantry lasguns cause they are workhorses

[pulsar drift]

totally blow my mind

[warm idol]

playing pskyer and not using psyker stuff is strange to me

[celest vine]

And are extremely good on ammo

[warm idol]

whats the point

its like playing a ranged zealot

[umbral scaffold]

Gunker can do insane crits but truthfully why give up the space wizard fantasy for that

[pulsar drift]

and its not rare case like ppl using crushers before

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair

[pulsar drift]

(crushers are good these days

[terse idol]

Zealot with flamethrower

Like that kinda gun zealot

Could slap

[celest vine]

Flamethrower zealots are Gs

[warm idol]

I dont consider flamer to be ranged

[celest vine]

It by definition is

[pulsar drift]

ah if only they didnt nerf the flammer

[celest vine]

[pulsar drift]

rn the flammer cant even stagger ragers

;D

[terse idol]

Like if you play gun zealot, you're playing close range because you get that 20% bo us damage on enemies close to you

[celest vine]

The lighting on lights out missions are perfect

[warm idol]

cringe

[terse idol]

So flamers, smg, shotgun

[warm idol]

its supposed to be a suppression weapon

[celest vine]

Look at this daemonhost

(Ignore my boy fighting for his life)

[pulsar drift]

it is only usingful dealing with horde

and crushers horde

[terse idol]

That's useful 🥹

[pulsar drift]

but why not just calling your vet mat to throw his krak

XD

[warm idol]

also for shout builds do they work with basically every ranged weapon?

[celest vine]

Shout is vets best ability

Restore toughness up to a surplus

[warm idol]

ive been mostly running plasma but helbores are fun too

[pulsar drift]

yup

[celest vine]

With damage boost if going full middle tree

[brisk umbra]

What's the distance for Longshot?

[warm idol]

I dont even want to go back to old stance

[pulsar drift]

vet needs something to save you from desperate situation

[warm idol]

I can use my ability with ranged and melee

I can use whatever loadout I want

[pulsar drift]

in the past the volley fire with DR saves my life countless time

[warm idol]

I support my team

[celest vine]

Stealth vet is very good too

[warm idol]

sad they removed unwavering

[pulsar drift]

also 50 touguness pair well with iron well

[celest vine]

But Executioners stance needs a rework

[warm idol]

man I remember popping that shit back in the day

[pulsar drift]

I am not even gonna mention instant reload

[warm idol]

and facetanking t5 gunners

[celest vine]

Highting Ogryns should he default

[terse idol]

Exec is tough

[celest vine]

And refresh on kill too

[terse idol]

Eh

[celest vine]

Not a fucking upgrade

[warm idol]

yeah those highlight capstones should be built in

[pulsar drift]

rn my zealot is running Agripinnaa exclusively

[terse idol]

Tax on refresh kill is okay, choosing ogryns or all shooters is not okay

[celest vine]

Highlightinf for team and all ranged enemies should be the only upgrade

[warm idol]

vet already had a large tree and is starving for points

[terse idol]

It should target all gunners and upgrade INTO ogryns

[pulsar drift]

i mean for melee vet is acturally okay now

[drowsy sluice]

for powersword builds, what is the other blessing besides power cycler you should run?

[terse idol]

So you can have both

[pulsar drift]

tho i do feel inflitrate is less op but its at least usable

[celest vine]

Refresh should absolutely be built in

[warm idol]

infiltrate is more niche than shout but still good imo

[pulsar drift]

but it is hardly to considered as balanced

[celest vine]

Wasnt ogryn highlight already apart of the ability for awhile?

[warm idol]

sure its not as much dmg as zealot but it has a lot more utility

[pulsar drift]

cuz you can pretty much see all three builds distribute evenly in other class

[terse idol]

Really sucks when you can only choose one or another considering there's gonna be alot more gunners and heavy gunners than stray reapers, who mind you, go down so fast

[pulsar drift]

but in vet

[drowsy sluice]

so what you are telling me, Brutal Momentum

[pulsar drift]

i swear 70% are running VOC

[celest vine]

Its too good

[terse idol]

Voc just has alot going for it

Got the flavour

[celest vine]

Vet doesnt have much surviability to begin with

[terse idol]

The tax for +50 toughness is kinda stank but whatever

[pulsar drift]

and it staggers everything

[celest vine]

It does

[terse idol]

It should be baseline

[celest vine]

But I mean not passive survivability

[pulsar drift]

thats too op XD

[terse idol]

Why do zealot chorus give 150+ toughness

[warm idol]

a lot of stuff on vet tree should be built in tbh

[terse idol]

Without an upgrade

[pulsar drift]

but i mean they could make the revive not reducing range

[celest vine]

Its nust 100