veteran-class

[untold mulch]

No, thats a 100% hitrate

[swift thistle]

Weapon specialist + infiltrate + knife heavy can kill crushers much faster than a powersword

[empty creek]

not as of the most recent patch, check dat shit 🗣️

[untold mulch]

Damn, OP af

[north raptor]

does it count as tagging for that new keystone?

[cerulean void]

lmao "use everything and it's better than one cracked weapon"

[cerulean void]

no

[north raptor]

😦

[cerulean void]

tagging and stance.exe are two separate mechanics

[swift thistle]

Weapons specialist costs one ammo, and I get it for then seconds, infiltrate I am pretty much using on cooldown anyways thanks to 10 seconds of -90% threat, and I mean yeah I’m using my knife

[cerulean void]

I'm not bashing the build, I do it myself

[wanton dawn]

I have video of 10 ragers handling with ps6 🤷 still waiting for equivalent demo using other "best" weapon

[frank ether]

weapon specialist is not very meaningful for ps

[cerulean void]

but the fact of the matter is that psword with two blessings can nearly match that build

[frank ether]

its helpful but you're still gated by what rank of power cycler you have on it

[sharp ember]

i'm surprised power cycler as a concept hasn't been liquidated into the weapon yet

[karmic musk]

It was

[swift thistle]

It was

They nerfed ps so regular was just t4 powercycler

[cerulean void]

"too strong" lol

[swift thistle]

I mean

Can’t say it didn’t deserve jt

[sharp ember]

that's not what I was going for

It should be DESTROYED

[wanton dawn]

Agreed

[cerulean void]

no, they definitely should be rolled into the weapon as a function and balanced against that

[swift thistle]

But I would prefer just remove ps and keep three swings

Wait

[wanton dawn]

Pc should not be a blessing

[karmic musk]

But that would make too much sense

[sharp ember]

make baseline not a waste of time instead of giving a critical must-have blessing

[swift thistle]

Power cycler not power sword

[cerulean void]

fatshark?

MAKING SENSE?!

[frank ether]

integrating PC into base PS would make it have one more free blessing slot

[cerulean void]

[karmic musk]

Player engagement rates go up while farming PC4

[ancient path]

speaking of devils claw, whats some good blessings for devils claw?

[frank ether]

thats not a good thing

[wanton dawn]

There is no way to improve pc design

It will either be mandatory or useless

[sharp ember]

rampage + savage sweep/wrath is the default setup

[ancient path]

i like savage sweep but unsure what to pair it with

[pearl granite]

is deadly accurate good on kantrael infantry lasgun?

[cerulean void]

fatshark: we want to make multiple builds viable
also fatshark:

[ancient path]

nice nice.

[nimble sentinel]

off the top of my head: 3 powered swings come standard, no bonus damage, only buffs cleave and carapace damage

[swift thistle]

Combine with headhunter god tier

[elder python]

roll the crit for an extra +1 or roll range dmg?

[pearl granite]

thanks

[cerulean void]

roll the elites->flak imo

[junior needle]

I strongly recommend against wasting money on recons, but especially the 2

It has absolutely abysmal dps

[wanton dawn]

That'd be a full rework

[untold mulch]

Recon II is meme

[ancient path]

p sword vs devils claw is an interesting conversation but they kinda fill two diff situations for me. i like devils claw if i want a defensive option but p swords are mad easy horde clear and carapace / flak kills

[elder python]

i just like the recon 😦

[frank ether]

I'll just take bromentum sunderer or something if it had PC4 by default, which is a buff to the weapon, so it would end up having to be nerfed

[karmic musk]

Would have to buff the base damage slightly then else it hits like a wet noodle like DClaw

[cerulean void]

recon 2 is the meme-iest recon

[frank ether]

and you may not prefer the end result of that nerf

[cerulean void]

like, I want to use the 2 it's so fun

[keen sedge]

is tier 3 power cycler still good?

[ancient path]

i do devils claw with revolver and p sword with other weapons

[cerulean void]

but it's a trash bullet gun rn

[sharp ember]

yes, better than no cycler

[nimble sentinel]

exactly

[frank ether]

Its good, better than not having it

[wanton dawn]

Still better than other blessing

[cerulean void]

I literally just want a gun with a rof like Recon II but with some actual throne fraggin damage

[nimble sentinel]

not that big a change on the backend though

[wanton dawn]

Pc4>pc3>>>>>>>the rest

[languid escarp]

PC4 early access version 🥹

[junior needle]

The entire line is in a bad state at the moment, it's unfortunate but they're just not good. At best you can kinda make 6d function with a lot of effort and a very particular talent setup. But

[karmic musk]

I would pay for it

[ancient path]

might want to look into an iag.

[languid escarp]

150 hours and still no PC4

[ancient path]

im brain farting on the iag but theres one with a fast firing rate that clears

[karmic musk]

You need to make 4 level 30 Vets to farm Melk

Quadruple the chance

[wanton dawn]

Backend should never be a topic on weapon balance

[nimble sentinel]

Columnus

[junior needle]

The 2 is basically a water gun, easily the worst dps out of the 3.

[sharp ember]

so who else running grenade keystone?

[ancient path]

thats the one

[karmic musk]

Twinned Grenade

[languid escarp]

a nade keystone would have been very cool

[ancient path]

grenada!!!!

[ancient path]

hahaha

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[ancient path]

im assuming youre using shredder

[keen sedge]

yay or nay?

[sharp ember]

yep, shredder nades

[languid escarp]

all Vet keystones seem to want me to micromanage my passives

[karmic musk]

Smoke

[ancient path]

twin blast krak sounds kinda eh but i could be wrong

[karmic musk]

Twin Smoke is the meta

[frank ether]

meanwhile ogryn frag be like 3 frag grenades

[keen sedge]

helps a fuck ton in crusher hordes

[sharp ember]

whenver I see my shredder nades twin mid-flight I yell TWIN NADE and rest, knowing everything in that area is dead

[junior needle]

That's perfectly fine

[empty creek]

twin blast is a meme unless U play damnation modes

[keen sedge]

even with the cleave?

[cerulean void]

throne be damned I just wish every time I picked up a vet I didn't feel like my perk points are getting wasted

[short wigeon]

why would anyone be shooting a full heath mutant from the back at point blank?

[sharp ember]

and i get to save myself from throwing an extra nade to build up the bleed stacks

[empty creek]

hucking 2 kraks @ a group of 10 crushers can kill like 4-5 of them which is tight as hell

[junior needle]

Yes, the cleave stats aren't that important due to charging

[frank ether]

its to illustrate a fkin point

[wanton dawn]

Tag keystone is healthy playstyle. Ppl trying to "save" it are stoopid

[keen sedge]

if i took the power cycler off my mk3 power sword, would i be able to put it on my mk6 one?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[karmic musk]

It stacks anyways

[sharp ember]

Just ran a full tagging build, pretty damn good with an automatic wewapon

me racing to tag each enemy before they die

[tall torrent]

It’s very easy to maintain 2-3 stacks between every tagged enemy as long as you’re killing them within reasonable time

[short wigeon]

seems slightly skewed imo as realistically most mutant can be seen coming from a mile away with their weakspot exposed at distances were damage perks come in. what this seems to illustrate to me is literal worst case use for the weapon

[ancient path]

just the issue with playing a game that changes every few months lol

wake up, new patch, build is shit and favorite weapon got nerfed.

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-triggered-notification-angry-dog-noises-dog-girl-gif-11710406

[junior needle]

Its to showcase consistent dps against an armor type, which for muties is maniac. High health targets are best for this as it's less prone to lucky crits fudging overall dps in some tests.

In this case, the typical base dps from the weapon at 80% would be sub 500, and it only gets worse at range because recons now universally have regular autogun falloff. This is absolutely abysmal by comparison to other guns.

[ancient path]

actually? lol

[karmic musk]

Its the meta fr

[ancient path]

i swear when i try this tonight and get owned im at'ing you

[karmic musk]

Vets are the strongest class in the game, you dont need grenades that do dmg pfft are they stupid?

[ancient path]

i do shredder for cc

[sharp ember]

smokes deal lung cancer damage and kill them 30 years later

[ancient path]

i like krak but in pubs you throw krak on something and everyone is racing to kill it before it goes off

[karmic musk]

Smokes let you blind your whole team so you can take all the kills and get the highest score

[ancient path]

lmfao there it is

[languid escarp]

as I have been saying: they should have used white phosphorus

[cerulean void]

average krak enjoyer vs chad smoke tinkerer

[wanton dawn]

Thats a war crime so it is allowed

[sharp ember]

i'd settle for bath bombs that cleanse the enemy in bubbles

[ancient path]

im gunna try a nade build when i get home for fun. you guys make it sound dumb

im sorry for the group i queue with

[cerulean void]

it's super dumb lol

[ancient path]

ill just look for shock trooper intensity

[wanton dawn]

I tried it once for fun

Its uh

[ancient path]

throw it and put on skyrim battle music

[wanton dawn]

Something ?

[nimble sentinel]

Veteran stealth archer confirmed???

[sharp ember]

i live for the thrill of throwing at least 30 grenades per match

elite patrols fear me

[nimble sentinel]

Fish want me

[sharp ember]

hordes fear me

kickback ogryns want me (for ammo regen)

[ancient path]

with voice of command, is vets just the dragonborn??

[frank ether]

when you play the game outside of sedition sometimes you'll have to dodge a mutie and hit its back after you killed some more important targets but I understand this wisdom can elude many

[languid escarp]

um

[karmic musk]

wew

[empty creek]

deleting it cuz we aren’t zealot chat

we’re supposed 2 be better than them …

[sharp ember]

keep it in zealot chat

[frank ether]

It still doesn't make a healthy argument even if you were right for why recon does like less than half the damage of my iag

[languid escarp]

what's wrong with zealots?

[empty creek]

we don’t go there

[languid escarp]

it's the only class I'm not level 30 yet

[empty creek]

don’t think it don’t look @ it don’t play it

[wanton dawn]

Zealot chat is...

[sharp ember]

prone to posting morally debase gifs

[empty creek]

zealot chat is a memetic hazard

[nimble sentinel]

beneficent emperor...

[karmic musk]

Watch the 2H PS go to them

They get to share the joy of farming PC4 too, truly wondrous

[short wigeon]

my apologies for being so ignorant to you're bountiful everflowing wisdom. I'm just some plebian who would simply quickswap to my chainsword and push stab him in the back with a special. MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES FOR UTILIZING MY ENTIRE KIT FOR VARYING COMBAT SCENARIOS.

[languid escarp]

I want a helbore with a PS strapped on

[empty creek]

i want lasgun bayonets

[karmic musk]

[nimble sentinel]

I want Hadron to call me her special little Varlet

[empty creek]

i want a ratling sniper as a primary instead of a class

[karmic musk]

Actually Im pretty sure the Bayonet is a power sword right now

Get it b4 its nerfed

[empty creek]

pull a tiny dude out & point @ people U don’t like

[frank ether]

Ah yes I can't weapon swap when I'm using an infantry autogun

And mutie is the only maniac target

[short wigeon]

im sorry you only get the chance to shoot the enemy in the back with your lackluster reaction time.

[tall torrent]

Tha bayonet doesn’t do as much dmg as power sword but saves u in a pinch due to helbore’s slow draw

[wanton dawn]

Every KRAKING time i check zealot chat it makes me curse having the ability to see

Every time

[karmic musk]

I use it as my main melee weapon its pretty good

Just stab at everything and it dies except Crushers

Or perma stagger

[junior needle]

It has nothing to do with muties specifically, they're just a convenient punching bag for dps testing purpose. For practical purposes it's to show that a recon 2 will have about 1/4 the dps (and 4x the ttk) of a stronger gun against the same target in the same circumstances with the same setup (Gray, talentless).

The disparity becomes even bigger once you take in other factors like talents and headshots, of which IAG's have a huge multiplier and recons have a small one.

[nimble sentinel]

wdym?

[languid escarp]

I just wish it increase moving speed but limit steering when you hold down special attack button

[tall torrent]

It’s the perfect addition to combat axe
You get a weapon that deals with ragers incredibly well (only weakness of combat axe)

[karmic musk]

Time for IAGs to lose that headshot mult

[languid escarp]

for roleplay purposes

[short wigeon]

tf is going oon in zealot chat

[wanton dawn]

[cerulean void]

I hope I can get a lasgun with a bayonet soon

I don't want a flashlight

straight silver damnit

[languid escarp]

ripper gun at home

[frank ether]

they'd beat recon with zero headshot multiplier

[languid escarp]

oh and yeah helbore is lasgun

[frank ether]

except its not iags fault

[karmic musk]

Im pretty sure you sprint slightly faster if you hold down the button on Helbore 1/2, or at least have the illusion of it

[frank ether]

recons suck

nerfing iag isnt gonna make anyone use recon or braced

especially not recon

[languid escarp]

recon could use some piercing tbh

[frank ether]

I'd rather play zealot or psyker than using those guns

[languid escarp]

with 20 seconds reload time

[nimble sentinel]

currently being used for home defense (just as the Emperor intended)

[languid escarp]

now I want a chainsword strapped on a lasgun

[muted prairie]

doing a few runs with the helbore's bayonet as my primary weapon makes me wish it was an actual melee weapon

if i could just have its melee with the ranged power of a plasma gun, i'd be so happy

[elder python]

so aside from boltgun and plasma gun, what weapons are veterans running?

[nimble sentinel]

las

[karmic musk]

Everything besides Recon

[languid escarp]

braced and infantry auto gun are decent

[cerulean void]

running? brauto with stripped down +hit and run

[languid escarp]

yeah they have stripped down

[karmic musk]

And if we're going by actual weapons ingame players use not Discord degens, literally every gun sees usage

[languid escarp]

revolver with right keystone build is pretty fun as well though I get tired of pressing swap weapons quick

plasma is just so good at quick ranged kills

even quicker than revolver

since you dont have to aim down

[nimble sentinel]

Crushers dare not charge towards me
With their hammers in their grip
All it takes but one headshot
With the big iron on vet's hip

[karmic musk]

Plasma, Revolver and Columnus IAG are the most popular ones rn

[languid escarp]

kiting floor 2

kf2 veterans know the maps by heart so they could backtrack in circle till the end of time

[nimble sentinel]

lods of eqilas

[karmic musk]

We need Brace of Pistols from Vermintide in here but with Revolvers

Bring in the dual weapons

[silent nebula]

I can't wait to waste everyone's ammo just by existing 😈

[slow spade]

Dual bolters when?

[languid escarp]

dual power sword

[karmic musk]

Stormbolter? never

[nimble sentinel]

hath thy melkman bestowed me a mighty boon?

[silent nebula]

Dual knife

[karmic musk]

Devil Claw + Dagger

Bring the Wutelgi meta here

[nimble sentinel]

stubber pistol

two world wars and a heresy

[frank ether]

thats workable

[languid escarp]

heretic hunter

[tall torrent]

It’s decent
Swap no respite for surgical
Infested to maniac/unyielding

[nimble sentinel]

pog

[silent nebula]

Tbh if you're going for surgical I'd replace onslaught, as that kinda gets in the way of surgical GODDAMN YOU AUTOCORRECT

[karmic musk]

Its MK3 Onslaught is mandatory

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is a bigger boost to dps than surgical
Plus it’s a mk3

[junior needle]

The 7a already has a small amount of piercing, but only a single one (1) hitmass target. The problem with them is their dps is comically low baseline and they are not ammo efficient on a per shot basis.

[karmic musk]

You still get Surgical charge even with max speed

[silent nebula]

Hm, yes true, but I like larping scab snipers

[cerulean void]

no respite is cool and all but isn't really ideal in a game where headshots are the fastest way to kill something

[karmic musk]

So Dueling Sword?

[junior needle]

You do, just not as many stacks

[karmic musk]

Runs out of Dodges, gets flattened

[silent nebula]

Tbh with me I probably trigger no respite quite often because my teammates are always fucking with my aim by actually playing the game knocking around specials/elites quite often

[wanton dawn]

Thrusty sword

[silent nebula]

And with ragers I just give up on hitting headshots so any extra damage is good there lol

[karmic musk]

Headshot with your bayonet instead

[silent nebula]

So true! (So long as you aren't using the lucius III)

[stark hollow]

which hellbore is the sex gun

not sure which is best to build

[silent nebula]

I think all are very usable

[pearl granite]

which perk should I have on this gun

[stark hollow]

i think making maniac to level 4 or swapping crit to flak would be good

can test the breakpoints

[silent nebula]

I think those perks are already pretty good, but yeah I think flak is a pretty common annoyance to me so I'd go for flak

[pearl granite]

thanks

[sharp ember]

i'd change crit to flak

because Headhunter is gonna carry your crit rate, +5% perk is merely a drop in the bucket

[karmic musk]

Doesnt Inf Lasgun have trash weak spot dmg? Or was it crit

[sharp ember]

it's quite fine at both

equal values vs unyielding and maniac, but weakspot gets an advantage on softer targets

[pearl granite]

btw I just heard a rando says that there is mod that auto detect specials, and dodge. is that even real? O_o

sounds like hack to me

[sharp ember]

i've seen a karker use aimbot once but that's about it

there is a mod that gives you a text prompt when a special spawn noise plays

[wanton dawn]

It is kinda sad

[sharp ember]

which is not unlike spawn captions for left 4 dead 2

[pearl granite]

that actually sounds useful, adding clue to the game cuz sometime there is just too much, and some sound doesn't play...

[torn gorge]

just use ears

[untold mulch]

There is one that adds in the upper left when one spawns

But dodge I haven't and probably is considered cheat

[torn gorge]

[untold mulch]

Yeahhhh

No

Servers T4+ just die

lately

[frank ether]

I'd get surgical instead of no respite and get maniac or carapace instead of infested

[torn gorge]

its a perfect plan until specials and elites do not make any sound

and teleport behind you

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

I just saw on reddit

a gunner spawn in front of the dude while he was aiming

The fact that there is no guaranteed no spawn area around players is stupid af

[karmic musk]

Keeps you on your toes

Enemy is Chaos, they have teleport capability

[untold mulch]

I wouldn't mind if the audio cue missing wasn't a thing

I was today fighting on a staircase

suddenly 150 hp to down

wtf

Mauler literally spawned through the wall of the staircase

Mid-swing

10/10 game

[karmic musk]

Grandfather just wanted you dead that instant, unlucky

[cerulean void]

does a kant XII have cleave?

[sharp ember]

no

groaners don't count, their mass is less than 1.0

[delicate moat]

i was wondering why this auric maelstrom mission was so hard

until i died to a teammate shooting poxburster

then i spectated the teammate

[karmic musk]

Did you blind him?

[untold mulch]

Bruh

[delicate moat]

my guy was shooting poxbursters

they didn't know u can push them

[untold mulch]

I got today one of those that ended up causing us a wipe

[delicate moat]

was tanking poxbursters one after another

[junior needle]

Nope, you can test it in the psyk by shooting poxes.

[karmic musk]

Time to go VoC build so you can prep your teammates for the damage

[delicate moat]

they were relying on VoC to push bursters away

as soon as VoC went into cooldown

they shot at burster hoping it would push them back

[astral ingot]

fucking legend

[delicate moat]

i was... impressed

[whole moon]

Probably a general questions more but since it happened on my vet. Got an issue where when picking talent tree it blanks as soon as I leave screen. Anyone know a workaround?

[karmic musk]

Server issue

[delicate moat]

the guy had lvl 84 on their vet

[astral ingot]

it's cosmetic

[delicate moat]

how did they play for 84 lvls like this

[astral ingot]

just exit the screen all your talents are saved

[karmic musk]

You have to exit all menus then go back in to see saved changes

[astral ingot]

kind of reminds me of an xbox player I spectated

he would get stabbed in the back turn like 15 degrees

[delicate moat]

oh the guy was an xbox player

[astral ingot]

see nothing, continue with his day

die to poxwalkers

[karmic musk]

He passed the controller to lil bro

[pearl granite]

they failed their way to the top

[half wigeon]

i guess i can keep it

?

[untold mulch]

Pretty decent

[delicate moat]

now u wait for hadron

for the efficiency blessing or something

[half wigeon]

carapace stamina

🥲

[harsh ravine]

😔

[tight dragon]

thanks hadron

[karmic musk]

[serene sage]

I VoC busters for because often it reduces CDR so it's almost a free VoC

[tall torrent]

Is there a trick to it

Do ragers have stagger immunity in their combos

[astral ingot]

yes

[serene sage]

Wait I didn't know this, can you stagger them mid their combo or you have to do that before

You can stagger them mid combo with VoC

But I haven't seen anything else that seems to help?

[cerulean void]

punch after a Heavy 1 on combat knife

w

[fair jay]

Some attacks bypass the immunity though

[celest vine]

I HATE CHAOS SPAWN

[fair jay]

Lol

[celest vine]

FUCK THEM FLESH BAG

[fair jay]

I was about to say “just block some attacks”

But then it just fucked off

[celest vine]

We did

[half wigeon]

what should i use for perk on laspitols

flak maniac ?

[celest vine]

Yes

Almost perect brunt

[hollow ibex]

Oof

[warm idol]

are we getting weapon variants for december or is it just a rumor?

oh that

[hearty panther]

sexy felinids

[warm idol]

I honestly would have preferred that to be store stuff and for us to get the 9k aquillas lol

I dont even play psyker and zealot

[civic knot]

Worth tryna get a new one just because that one perk is bricked? Ive heard maniac dmg is already pretty good as it is

[warm idol]

im like mostly vet and some ogryn so half of that pack is useless for me

[warm idol]

that seems pretty good

altho iv is carpal tunnel personified

[civic knot]

my min maxing OCD is kickin in tho hahah

[warm idol]

also yet another 10k plas down the drain

[civic knot]

want that maniac dmg

[warm idol]

and no power cycler

not even a 3

I swear this game hates me

[warm idol]

at the current state of the loot/crafting system I found hapiness in settling for good enough

till they rework it I just cant really bother

I wish you would just take a base weapon and customise it as you see fit

[tall torrent]

Isn’t vanguard gonna drop before December

[warm idol]

changing both cosmetic upgrades and the actual stats

that way they can get rid of variants that are just rof and damage changes

you want more damage? give up rof, etc

[tall torrent]

They said vanguard pack drops late November

[warm idol]

how do you have more plas than dia

im jealous

I always have too much dia

[tall torrent]

If they finally add weapon sight customization options in a future update I’ll be so happy

[serene sage]

Dude this changed everything. Thanks!!!

[warm idol]

I hope that will come with the crafting rework

let us truly fine tune and customise weapons with no restrictions

that way you can make a weapon your own, add flashlights, sights, lasers, bayonets etc

[daring breach]

Actually the most cost effective way to get t4 blessings is to take a 360+ weapon and raise it to blue

[tall torrent]

I don’t even care about flashlight vs bayonet
I just want optics on my guns

[serene sage]

I have a similar ratio to Azreal. Ordo is definitely a bottle neck

[delicate moat]

what ordo, never heard of it

[candid tundra]

Hi @tall torrent 👋

[tall torrent]

Hi

[serene sage]

Like 1M ordo gets you maybe 3-4 370+ with usable distribution

[daring breach]

Nope, I cant show it on this discord but a guy datamined it out

[warm idol]

and thats fucked

[serene sage]

And Hadron bricks maybe half that

[warm idol]

the current system is awful player engagement crap

[daring breach]

hard part is getting enough 360+'s to brick because ordo ducats are a pain

[warm idol]

hence why I dont bother minmaxing beyond just getting a weapon that works well in t5 auric

[daring breach]

which is why i run all + ordo ducats on my psyker

[cerulean void]

which is funny because I'd be playing more if I could get decent weapons lol

[daring breach]

Its not man, the codes available

Ive crafted plenty of items, too

[warm idol]

id be playing a lot more if they allow me to just take a weapon and fine tune it

because the fun for me other than the core gameplay

[daring breach]

The math is out there as well

[warm idol]

comes with experimenting with different builds

but the current system makes it a pain in the ass

[daring breach]

360+ grey to blue most cost effective way. I raise all my stuff to orange

i did it the same way as you

but i dont argue with the math because i cannot

Dont think you should be posting that in discord...

[wanton dawn]

Why though ?

[serene sage]

It's github lol

[daring breach]

is it fatsharks github?

i can post porn on github if i want to. who cares if its github

[serene sage]

No man, the lua codes can be opened with a notepad

[delicate moat]

this is a really weird hill to die on

[warm idol]

like imagine if you could take a weapon and change the stats, perks and blessings with no restrictions, only cost being resources

[serene sage]

Someone just copy it and post it

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[warm idol]

that will be a godsend for build variety

[sharp ember]

#breakthelocks has been a movement posted on every single official forum post ever, who knows if they'll actually listen

[serene sage]

Anyway

[wanton dawn]

Also while I don't know for crap, I am pretty sure the craft value would not be player side

[warm idol]

god forbid overweight megalodon use a system that is player friendly and.makes sense

[daring breach]

Sorry you know the source inside out?

[warm idol]

maybe in another year

[teal abyss]

What are the best Helbore blessings?

[sharp ember]

Surgical + Onslaught, no contest

[serene sage]

it's in the code
okay the code is here but you can't post it here
okay maybe you can but you don't know the code inside out

[teal abyss]

Nice thank you

[sharp ember]

No Respite works on bayonets if you wanna meme around though

[serene sage]

Just stfu man

Keep moving the goalpost

[daring breach]

Man youre aggressive

[serene sage]

Man you're annoying

[daring breach]

Cool man

Internet superhero

[tall torrent]

I don’t think no respite hits any important breakpoints unfortunately

[daring breach]

Where did i double down

Im asking if you know the source

but youre just telling me

[tall torrent]

Like maybe u kill ragers in 1 less stab? But maniac already gives u 3 hit dreg rager to the head

[warm idol]

also surg ons is more reliable and works more often

[daring breach]

its not there just trust me

okay

I got one source of info, now im getting another, and im trying to detangle which is right and which isnt

and then i have these clowns like foxwhatever yelling at me

because thats just super helpful

[serene sage]

Cool man

[daring breach]

Im perfectly okay being wrong

[serene sage]

Okay

Good for you

Let's move on

[slow spade]

is the Helbore 3 bayonet affected by other blessings?

like the Rending memes with the revolver?

[daring breach]

Can you send me the post where the guy says he made everything up?

[tall torrent]

I think it’s because the cost of getting blue is way lower so people accumulate loads of blues so they can then take to gold if they already have perks of blessings that they like

[slow spade]

its not stated anywhere that orange has higher rates than blue

[sharp ember]

just got gifted a free Surgical 4 for my helbores, this game is so EASY

[slow spade]

even for experienced players, that data was given months ago

[daring breach]

Because i cant find that in the source either, the orange having higher rates, but im not super familiar with the source, cards on the table

thats why im asking for the info

[slow spade]

Fatshark devs themselves stated it in the crafting rework months ago

they never gave exact numbers though

not ingame

which is the problem

[daring breach]

So if the exact numbers arent given how can anything of this be more than speculation on our part?

[slow spade]

how would a new player know that?

[daring breach]

Can you show me the post where the guy said he made it all up though

you said there was one

[slow spade]

if you want to test if the Fatshark devs are lying, you can always conduct your own experiments

[serene sage]

Or just control+F the code posted

[slow spade]

but as a player that played from the start, the crafting rates are indeed better than the release

[daring breach]

I mean i have, ive made a lot of legendary weapons and ive gotten a lot of t4 blessings from blues

[serene sage]

If it's not there, then it's not there

[daring breach]

Theres nothing in the code posted about legendaries having better rates than I can find, but i havent done a deep dive by any means, right now the only evidence is that "Fatshark said in a patch", which is better than nothing

[slow spade]

we don't have access to the source code and Fatshark hasn't released rates

^

and besides you don't need min max'd weapons to do well as Darktide is fairly easy

so there's not much experiments with min max'ing gear beyond rough guidelines

[daring breach]

thats never what this was about, it was just about cost effective ways to obtain t4 blessings

[slow spade]

I mentioned that to say that min max'ing gear (which would include costs to obtain them) was never really documented

^

[terse idol]

[daring breach]

I like, Azreal, got most of mine raising to legendary, but I do recall a post with a detailed mathematical breakdown of why 360+ weapons raised to blue, and then i got like, jumped on lol

[slow spade]

you can argue its better to just get the blessings from Melk as its minimum costs

[daring breach]

actually yeah i got a lot of my t4's from melk, but that was way before they overhauled crafting

[terse idol]

I've wasted my money upgrading to blue

[slow spade]

it depends on date as there's been like 3 crafting reworks

[terse idol]

Noooo

[slow spade]

so it could be a detailed breakdown but no longer accurate

[slow spade]

indeed :c

[terse idol]

Okay I will say that is debatable ypu definetly want to min max a little
Especially for auric damnation

[slow spade]

na I used to do auric damnation for leveling

its really that easy

stuff that rely on 1-shot kills too

[proud dock]

Honestly, Auric Damnation isn't that difficult, min maxed weapons isn't necessary but decent ones are.

[terse idol]

The average player won't be able to to be fair

[slow spade]

but you don't NEED to

which was the claim

[terse idol]

Oh

[jolly cave]

Absolutely unhinged, but would still be cool to see

[kind scarab]

Average player can't even aim straight

[slow spade]

you will definitely get benefit but you don't HAVE to get some bullshit Surgical + Handcannon 4 380 stated revolver

[slow spade]

I wonder if the Scoreboard mod doesn't record accuracy because it would make people weep UwU

[serene sage]

Most people don't know how well they do because no scoreboard

Just don't show it in game, but show it at the end

[slow spade]

while not a true duo, am proud of doing this on a 70k docket maelstrom

[serene sage]

So there's no flaming midgame

But you can learn/analyze after if you want

[slow spade]

yeah Darktide is fine with just some introspection

[daring breach]

Scoreboard used to be just for myself to see how I was doing, but now it does sometimes tell a story of people who are maybe unprepared for auric

[slow spade]

"man I could have won that if I positioned better" etc

indeed, wasn't a serious comment for accurate just a light joke

[slow spade]

this was a normal heresy with no effects

6 deaths lmao

its not rare to find lvl 30s that should have never left Malice

[delicate moat]

imo scoreboard really doesn't tell much, but people's positioning really quickly tells you how experienced / how good their game sense is

[slow spade]

its pretty sad but happens

[daring breach]

Amazing, you must be absolutely insane at darktide, or absolutely full of shit 😛

[serene sage]

It helps to tell if your build is actually contributing, as compared to your other builds

[delicate moat]

Just because you can't doesn't mean someone else cannot...

[slow spade]

it does help with certain aspects like if a Vet doesn't have high elite/speicalists kills

a Psyker has like 900 damage taken

Ogryn being disabled 10 times etc

[serene sage]

It's not everything obviously

[daring breach]

Read what i said closely

[serene sage]

But it's a valuable data point

[karmic musk]

Man why do ppl bring their low level friends into high difficulty

Can't think of a better way to make them quit playing

[delicate moat]

Fair, but I do closely inspect people's materials pickup

[slow spade]

in my instance, I knew I could handle it so I brought a lvl 11 ogryn into damnation but yeah braindead people that can't play are just sandbagging

[delicate moat]

That stat tells you everything

[slow spade]

I should mention that I was the lvl 11 ogryn

[karmic musk]

The level cap should just apply to all users rather than being excluded when being invited

[half ginkgo]

Servers dying? Getting backend errors and insane rubberbanding

[slow spade]

my friend was a lvl 30 psyker

[serene sage]

Well this time I've seen the vidya and a few scoreboard (not solo but pugs) from Azreal to know that he's really good

[daring breach]

Nice job!

[slow spade]

Azreal working with Nurgle to make Imperial propaganda UwU

[delicate moat]

I wish my DRG true solo skills transferred over to Darktide

[daring breach]

I have a buddy who's that good too, I understand how good you can get, you have to understand that a lot of people claim to be that good that arent though, its not personal

[south garnet]

im very bad but I just blame everyone else so its fine

[delicate moat]

real

[daring breach]

I'm pretty casual

[south garnet]

no

[wanton dawn]

I tried solo on dreyko a few time. I stopped cuz run stopping on one trapper mistake is frustrating

[daring breach]

Honestly the hardest part for me is hacking solo

[slow spade]

I also don't like that solo doesn't give rewards

I just run private matches with bots

[daring breach]

if you get all leftside hacks

[wanton dawn]

I did without bot tbf

[daring breach]

even a nade wont buy you the time

[south garnet]

how do you even solo? you need min 2 people to do a private

[daring breach]

and I dont even know how you solo hack as a psyker

[south garnet]

unless we're talking VT

[slow spade]

my brother lives with me so I just have him queue and then log

[south garnet]

gotcha

[wanton dawn]

Solo with bot is most likely way easier

[slow spade]

he's off at college so its not bothering him

[serene sage]

Buy 2 accs and 2 PC so you can do that

Kek

[wanton dawn]

Also my build was ass for solo

[bronze atlas]

speaking of needing blessings or not for a weapon to be good lol

[nimble sentinel]

the game sort of almost runs on a steam deck

[wanton dawn]

In any case, solo was probably easier p14 than rn

[daring breach]

I've been getting netted a lot when i dodge too close to the trapper

[serene sage]

Unironically my plan to try solo lobbies without mods one day

[daring breach]

so the net goes off 90 degrees in the other direction

and then all of a sudden im netted

[serene sage]

But I'll need to buy another copy of DT still

[wet moon]

I JUST SAW A 380 VRAKS 3 80/80/80/80 DISAPPEAR AAAAUUUGHHH

[nimble sentinel]

I love my deck, great for playing valheim in bed

[wet moon]

only wait to dodge like that is a 45 degree dodge behind and away from it

[bronze atlas]

i wonder how tinker even had that effect lol

how does that become a side effect to that perk lol

[serene sage]

Thy Grenade Be Swift?

Or something else

[delicate moat]

Thy Grenade Be Swift is goated

[wanton dawn]

Tinkerer amon other things

[daring breach]

I think my choice for a solo class would probably be zealot but thats me, i feel so much beefier on my zealot than my vet

[serene sage]

I'm still running Tinker for my build but yeah I miss stun immune

[jolly cave]

lmfao

[daring breach]

yeah that was amazing

I miss that

Did they normalize stam regen delay too?

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i am not interested in solo which seems to be either grindy marathon or cheese factory

[half ginkgo]

Not as I am aware about

Isn’t vet 1.25s?

[delicate moat]

Sometimes the solo comes to you

[daring breach]

They changed a lot of that stuff around in p13

[wanton dawn]

I dont mind solo clutch

I got a few solo vlutch last week

[serene sage]

I think they buffed it?

[wanton dawn]

Including a 10 minutes slowfest on hab dreyko on shitty first event rezspot covered by sniper

Man was that annoying

[daring breach]

Do vets still take extra damage while sprinting?

[wanton dawn]

Kept spawning bruiser

It was not final event though

[half ginkgo]

I would say carnival is harder

[delicate moat]

can confirm, have wiped several times

[wanton dawn]

Final event is ... weird for me

[delicate moat]

there's also the brewery map end tunnel

[wanton dawn]

Either breeze or pain

[daring breach]

And then a revolver one taps them because they waterfall 😛

[delicate moat]

new map really easy if u don't stand in the open

[half ginkgo]

Wait in this case what do you refer to “event”?

[serene sage]

The beginning could be tough on the first set piece, in pugs usually one downed when the elite wave comes

[wanton dawn]

First event is the initial portion for my clutch

[serene sage]

Like that set of maulers/ragers/shotguns

[half ginkgo]

Ah that. Yeah, always been pain

[serene sage]

Those are fun to shoot down but pugs people usually are never prepared

[delicate moat]

Hab Dreko final scan event in pubs is always a struggle

[wanton dawn]

Last event clutch would be easier for vet cuz rez position is not open so shout grenade are enough to get space. Though it is harder to get in the open

[delicate moat]

people keep trying to fight hordes and not make progress, or scatter around making rezzes way too difficult

[serene sage]

I find the Hourglass deseet map eith the 3 batteries the most annoying set

[hearty panther]

is the play button on the launcher an event

[delicate moat]

That has the same Hab Dreyko symptom\

[half ginkgo]

I still remember first Dreyko I played - pubs decided to hunker down to that small room to the right of the tree and hoping that they can kill all mobs. I was the only one going for objective but just couldn’t scan/kill at the sam time

[serene sage]

And the staircase spiral set pieace after is up there too

[wanton dawn]

All map have 2 events section

[serene sage]

It's melee heavy and people just melt

[daring breach]

stealth in regards to mission objectives was a godsend

[half ginkgo]

My favorite part about that is not killing the elites from the window someone dives in and dies

[daring breach]

stealth up and then -90 aggro after you can just walk power canisters around, scan free and easy

[serene sage]

For some reason I have too much skill issues to use stealth in any video games 😔

[wanton dawn]

The battery one ?

[daring breach]

You dont even have to treat it like stealth though, its basically just a silly aggro dump

[serene sage]

But the speed run stuffed is slated for a patch if not already right?

The jump in the beginning can't be done anymore I heard

[wanton dawn]

Hourglass battery section is often fucked by sniper spawn

[serene sage]

Oh gotcha

[half ginkgo]

What also irks me at pubs is last encounter, Enclavum Baross and positioning

Yes

[wanton dawn]

This one is still among the easiest

[serene sage]

Yeah but I hate using it as that. Also I usually run Shout so stagger is 90% enough for me. I just dislike stealth gameplay ig, it's a me issue, mostly skill

[half ginkgo]

I don’t say it’s hard - I say pubs positioning there gives me facepalm occasionally

To lesser extent on Consignment Yard

[daring breach]

Voice of command i my go to on vet too

because it saves me from my own mistakes :p

[serene sage]

Wait how about the Torrent verticality?

[wanton dawn]

Hardest currently would be what ? Train boss became easier now that ppl know to kit it to elevator

[half ginkgo]

I am running couple of last days Rec stance with mid keystone and plasma

[serene sage]

Like that map has some horrendous situation where you aggro everything on 2 floors

[old quail]

i really like carnival so long as u dont just sit at the entrance and have a 4x as long smelter final stand

at the end event

[daring breach]

I've actually seen a lot of pubs struggling with oubliette's first event area

[old quail]

because u pmuch just can't die unless all 4 people afk

[daring breach]

where all the enemies just keep jumping down

unable to move forward

so easy to just go upstairs though, shrug

[wanton dawn]

Ah, either dreyko or ammunition map end event

Those became way harder

[half ginkgo]

The ammo event is either piss easy or someone is dying horribly. No middle ground

[wanton dawn]

Smelter and throneside spy can be volatile depending on objective location

[delicate moat]

I got screwed over by silent spawns today yet again

I looked behind my back for 1 second, empty AF

Then I got pancaked, apparently an entire swarm was behind me

[wanton dawn]

Ammo event is fucked by bomber

They need to die FAST

[delicate moat]

Is there any audio settings I can tune to help with where-audio situation, or is it just incredibly messed up atm?

[wanton dawn]

I had to change my speakers

[serene sage]

I can't see where they are on that map

Too many crates and platforms and elevation

[wanton dawn]

Yup

3 or 4 bombers will ruin you

[delicate moat]

That map has some tunnel sections / claustrophobic sections, sometimes a set of 3 bombers seem to be able to just lock you into a floor of lava scenario but somehow u don't have LOS

[wanton dawn]

Also the infamous bon on tunnels after first event

One of the worst bon location

[delicate moat]

horrendous

[wanton dawn]

Now add a dh for maximum fun

Tbf it has been easier now with plasma being so strong in antiboss build

[delicate moat]

I'm know already plasma gonna catch some nerfs next patch

BoN seems to always come after me for some reason

[half ginkgo]

Same

[wanton dawn]

Most volatile and a pain to solo

[delicate moat]

I very rarely have the chance to see its back

[daring breach]

You think so? I feel like its got enough drawbacks, and most people are up in arms about the revolver

[wanton dawn]

Also for some reason, ALWAYS here on no ammo maelstrom

[delicate moat]

The slime slowdown and then suddenly a firebomb -- oops there goes half my health

[torn gorge]

bunny hop the slime

[delicate moat]

I want CS:S bunny hop pls

[torn gorge]

BoN is the bulwark of the bosses

[serene sage]

Revolver needs moar buffs

[torn gorge]

annoying when solo

[serene sage]

Not strong enough

[torn gorge]

a joke when not aggroed

[nimble sentinel]

I want my pilot grapple hook no I will NOT take my pills TF3 is real

[serene sage]

Currently it can't one shot BoN

[torn gorge]

so is bon

[stark hollow]

increase from 5 to 8 rounds

[torn gorge]

but both are annoying

[serene sage]

Need more crit damage and Rending too

[stark hollow]

special ability changed to loading a bolt round in the gun instead of just slapping with it

[wanton dawn]

Imagine caring about bulwark #veteran-class message

[stark hollow]

true

ok special ability turns it into a laser pointer to call an orbital strike

[serene sage]

I wonder what people would use if Revolver was removed

[delicate moat]

the shield formation is just funny AF

[wooden oar]

MG12 all day

[serene sage]

Zealots don't have it though

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is arguably the best vet gun atm

[stark hollow]

i think they just need to buff boltgun

honestly

[delicate moat]

i think they should buff plasma

[serene sage]

Boltgun got a big buff last patch tbf

People just don't want to play it

[half ginkgo]

And feel hit reg on Boltor feel less awful

[stark hollow]

still feels kinda like poo

[wanton dawn]

Imo plasma>=revo>>>the rest

[delicate moat]

i just wish bolter pull out wasn't so slow

[wanton dawn]

Oops

[stark hollow]

pull out time, reload time and ammo is shite

[serene sage]

I hope they buff Bolter draw some amount and keep everything the same

Reload time can be managed

[stark hollow]

i think max ammo on bolter can be increased

[wanton dawn]

I meant plasma, not bolter

Force of habit

[terse shell]

The best buff boltgun can get is a decent sight

[serene sage]

Ammo is shit yeah but Survivalist will keep you in the fight

[topaz lance]

I think people don't like how unwieldy the bolter is mostly

[terse shell]

Im sick of the shitty iron sight

[stark hollow]

id rather not have to take talents to make a gun slightly less shite

[stark hollow]

mod the game

[jolly cave]

I like the bolter, but it's slow to draw out and doesn't hit as many breakpoints as the revolver does

[half ginkgo]

Imho, buff Bolter ammo to 15/90, slash 0.5-0.7 secs of reload and maybe speed up pull out by like 0.3-0.5a

[fast snow]

What was the buff?

[umbral scaffold]

Bolter probably has the best iron sights out of any of the other guns that use iron sights tbf

[wanton dawn]

Bolter got too many nerf on too many things at the same time and it is play completely differently

[terse shell]

Too much effort when I can just use plasma

[umbral scaffold]

It’s the future let our sights have some tritium in them tho

[cerulean void]

imo bolter, like psword, relies on specific buffs too much

[stark hollow]

i think bolter needs to go back to post beta days

it was perfect then

[wanton dawn]

Losing susfire was the biggest nerf

[serene sage]

+10% base damage
Higher finesse
Better armor modifier (100% to everything but Infested and Carapace)
Much better recoil (no one talks about this bc they don't actually use the gun lmao)

[stark hollow]

it was strong because vet was strong

now vet has been knocked down a tad

bolter can be strong again

[serene sage]

You can have 0 recoil on Bolter

I'm just saying

[half ginkgo]

I just use old re-ADS trick to not care about recoil

[cerulean void]

vets got overnerfed by having too many talent points to spend everywhere

[wanton dawn]

If we could have susfire back, bolter would be A tier

[half ginkgo]

For anything else - magdump

[daring breach]

i mean it was also strong because pinning fire was like

[whole moon]

I don't think you can balance the armouries AND keep the iconic weapons as they should be. Something has to compromise

[fast snow]

I’ve been running bolt gun with all the reload speed buffs

[daring breach]

what, +100% power?

[fast snow]

I can’t go back

[stark hollow]

i want to be able to magdump patrols

i miss doing that

magdumping dont to shite now

[half ginkgo]

Come to late night EU Heresy

[serene sage]

I probably have 250h+ on Bolter and you can mag dump

[odd sparrow]

god i miss sustained fire. i was really hoping for it on the keystone rework

[daring breach]

It makes your backpack lighter so you dont have to carry all those heavy bolts around

[serene sage]

Just don't expect to kill crusher pack in one round

But everything else will die

[stark hollow]

let me rephrase i want to magdump on patrols and still complete the mission

[wanton dawn]

Last time i said that ppl i wont namedrop were saying that cf bolter was stronger

[serene sage]

I would say Bolter is high A tier, alongside Columnus, with S being Plasma Revolver

[half ginkgo]

CF as in Counterfire? Could’ve been but you needed both reload feets pretty much to not lose VF on reload

[wanton dawn]

Anyone that say cf bolter was stronger than susfire bolter get on my shitlist

[stark hollow]

i like that plasma is finally good again after a long while

and revolver is fun

[wanton dawn]

Bolter was either susfire or tbta for monstro mod. End of discussion.

[serene sage]

Well patch 12 was a long time ago

That discussion doesn't matter

Anymore

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lightsaber-obiwankenobi-obi-gif-19677892

[nimble sentinel]

I'm boutta try out something silly

[odd sparrow]

how so?

[wanton dawn]

Deadshot, exe stance...

[serene sage]

Because of the buff? Left tree build with Exec Stance and Deadshot will give you 0 recoil

[untold mulch]

Another match

All revolvers

Soo, is getting nerfed or the cowboy fanboy in fatshark office still hasn't enough?

[stark hollow]

eh theyll swap off it eventually

[wanton dawn]

Revolver has needed months of buff to become relevant

[untold mulch]

Absolute state of gameplay

[serene sage]

The absolute state of this game

[half ginkgo]

Have fun sharing ammo

[serene sage]

I was running Bolter

They would run out before I do

[stark hollow]

time to buff another weapon FS

[wanton dawn]

Have fun hogging ammo

[finite dock]

how is bolter btw this current patch ?

[stark hollow]

i say buff flamer

[half ginkgo]

The only thing worse ammo-wise than 3 revolvers is 3 fucking recons

[stark hollow]

and buff trauma staff

[lime wyvern]

bolter is awsome for rager spam

[serene sage]

Underrated but also overshadowed

[half ginkgo]

At least revolvers kill shit good

[untold mulch]

Also the more I play Psyker

The more I really want Gunner subclass with energy and heat management ngl

[odd sparrow]

its ok

[lime wyvern]

its better on zealot

[wanton dawn]

Bolter compete with plasma

[stark hollow]

what blessings on bolter

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is s tier

[serene sage]

Bolter is stronger than people think but is weaker than the top tier weapon ala Plasma and Revolver

[half ginkgo]

Shattering + Pinning. Surgical can be good is that’s your jam

[finite dock]

so its ok if i want a gun that i can just hold into a horde and watch them all explode ?

[untold mulch]

Nah, bolter is absolute shit and unusable 😉

[stark hollow]

i dont really wanna play a sniper bolter

[serene sage]

Pinning Fire + Surgical/Shattering depending on your build

[untold mulch]

remember

[delicate moat]

Yeah problem with bolter is that now it's become a budget plasma

[stark hollow]

if i wanted to snipe id bring my revolver

[half ginkgo]

Or helbore3

[serene sage]

Yeah the thing is we were afraid of nerds

I'm not too worried of nerfs now

[umbral scaffold]

The revolver is pretty karking fun though no denying that

[serene sage]

I wouldn't spam horde with it haha.
Columnus is what you want if you're into that

[umbral scaffold]

Sorry for takin all the ammo, apparently those little ammo tins can fit dozens of heavy stubber rounds but only 10 revolver rounds

[flint lake]

Bolter is better at handling large groups of crushers and maulers than the plasma TBF

[stark hollow]

which is what i think all guns should be

[serene sage]

Bolter is better in CQC

[wanton dawn]

It is really not

[serene sage]

Compared to Plasma

[stark hollow]

all guns need a buff

hip hip

[umbral scaffold]

I think a lot of the guns are still pretty good and fun to use

[wanton dawn]

Plasma in no ammo maelstrom is absurdly strong

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve been using the MG4 lasgun and I feel the other lasguns have been slept on over the MG12

[delicate moat]

I've seen plenty of recognition for MG4 and Ia?

[serene sage]

Yeah plasma in melee Maelstrom = 1M damage easy

[stark hollow]

ive never used the 1a only the 4 and 12

[flint lake]

If I’m within 10m of a group of maulers, I’d rather have the bolter. The burst dps is better in that instance. Overall though, yeah, plasma is BIS.

[stark hollow]

love both of em

[nimble sentinel]

unfortuantely my team was speedrunnign zealots

[wanton dawn]

Plasma can cleave 8 maulers i think ?

[umbral scaffold]

Well I have seen otherwise most of the time, it’s always the mg12 from what I see

[wanton dawn]

Smth like that

[finite dock]

does plasma have splash damage ?

[wanton dawn]

No. It destroys conga line

[nimble sentinel]

MG12 is dated info, the most recent balance pass on the lasguns put the 1a above it

the MGIV is all me I think lol

[half ginkgo]

I think it’s 5 elites of any kind max, except crushers/bulwarks

Of cleave

[wanton dawn]

I tested it once. Will test again but might not play today

[finite dock]

MK II or MK V Columnus ?

[wide dagger]

God evening soldiers! I can't seem to get the Pennance "Make Every Shot Count" I didn't miss any shots and unloaded what was in my gun on an assassination boss. Is the problem that I fire on the shield or what gives?

[south vessel]

Power supply interruption with 3 Ogryns, RIP bullets

[serene sage]

I think both can work, one is braced one is ADS so pick the style you want

Also as a rule of thumb, don't spray hordes on most guns. But Columnus is very forgiving if you want to indulge once in a while

Gun goes BRRRR as the kids say it

[delicate moat]

I'm leaving the lobby if I see a bolter vet/zealot at red ammo before the first swarm even begins

[slow spade]

spawns in -> red ammo

UwU

[gray stone]

(nsfw) hadron f*cks this plasma LIVE

[south vessel]

do it

[serene sage]

Good gun bro

Hope nothing bad happens to it

[gray stone]

joever or are we barack?

[serene sage]

Workable

[wanton dawn]

B+

Blaze is good. Perks are okay

[gray stone]

what should change? not familiar w/ plasma blessings

[wanton dawn]

Volatile is swap

[serene sage]

They fixed that bug I think

[wanton dawn]

Not according to my tests

[gray stone]

Volatile not good?

[serene sage]

Allegedly it's bugged to do lower damage

But ideally you want gets hot and blaze away as the meta

[flint lake]

Perks matter more than blessings on plasma and Blaze is pretty much BIS

Better to swap out the perks

[wanton dawn]

Charge rate on plasma: #veteran-class message

[flint lake]

Volatile is irrelevant but so are most plasma blessings

[delicate moat]

Some blessings are really curses

[flint lake]

tho glory hunter got a glow up just cause vet is so much more vulnerable now

[serene sage]

I would say you still want Gets hot regardless though

I know plasma crit damage isn't the best

But gets hot still too good.value to skip

[gray stone]

so volatile < gets hot, then like... specialist < cara?

[wanton dawn]

Still is a 25% dmg increase on crit

[serene sage]

Definitely top 4 tankiest class yeah

Melee will bleed through

Even on overshield

[wanton dawn]

Ogryn overhead can still kill through yellow

[nimble sentinel]

zamn anyone else getting absolutely horrid squadmates in quickplay?

[flint lake]

Tru but shout is good at creating space so you don’t have to be in melee

[serene sage]

Mutant slam will do damage through overshield on subsequent hits

[gray stone]

wait, exhil takedown is fixed right?

[serene sage]

I think they changed how melee interacts with overshield

[grave cargo]

I dunno if the VII is good

[nimble sentinel]

just got called a naughty C word for shooting the 3 tox flamers and bulwark on top of a downed dude and not picking em up immediately

[grave cargo]

Whoops

[opal loom]

wat the fek, frag grenade is so....weak

[grave cargo]

Anyways should I get this

Has like, near perfect blessings

[wanton dawn]

They call you a cyclist ?

[serene sage]

Call them an unwanted c*m stain that should have been aborted

[wanton dawn]

A cam ??

[sharp ember]

aww yeah monstro maelstrom is up

[opal loom]

is it suppose to take 2 grenades to kill hordes? D:

[serene sage]

Yes, a cam stain

[gray stone]

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-for-work-on-a-monday-like-monday-feeling-lance-armstrong-bradley-wiggins-fast-and-furious-gif-25896975

[grave cargo]

Yes

[opal loom]

oof

[grave cargo]

You use frags for the knockdown not the damage

[nimble sentinel]

not THAT bad

[serene sage]

Tinkered frag

If you want to one shot horde

[opal loom]

It's taking 2 grenades even with tinkered frag

[wanton dawn]

A... A CAT ???

[serene sage]

Is it?

[opal loom]

ya

[serene sage]

Not with my build?

But ig idk what you're running

[opal loom]

T5 auric damnation

[nimble sentinel]

through the transative properties of the english language...yes

[grave cargo]

Someone

Anyone

Please respond

[wanton dawn]

Man... must be terrible for a dog person

[serene sage]

Yeah that's all I play Auric T5/Maelstrom, I do run all damage buff stuff so maybe there's a difference

[junior needle]

Auric damnation and regular damnation have the same health sizes

[grave cargo]

Seems like the VII is really ass vs mutant

And carapace

[serene sage]

I guess I might have ping damage buff

I also run Fire Team sometimes

[opal loom]

That affects grenades?

[serene sage]

Fire Team and Ping damage buff yeaj

[wanton dawn]

Troll

[junior needle]

The hh autoguns just have poor maniac damage across the board

[serene sage]

I think close range damage also increases nade damage

But you have to be close when the thing explodes

[wanton dawn]

Surv or gimping

[serene sage]

Can you try with mutant? I swear their slam bleeds through

It's like 1 or 2 damage

But it goes through

[wanton dawn]

There might be a thoughness bp

It is weird

[serene sage]

Is it with Fire Team or ping damage buff?

[wanton dawn]

I have example of me instadying to it even through yellow

[opal loom]

have fire team

[serene sage]

No while you are on yellow

I wish I saved the clip

Yeah I think melee bleeds through overshield now

Or maybe they code slam as true damage for whatever reason

[grave cargo]

Man

I really fucking hate Focus

As a mechanic it just sucks ass

[serene sage]

People running exec

[grave cargo]

75% extra headshot damage is pretty insane don't get me wrong but, it's just not implemented in a fun way

[serene sage]

And Iron Will is a luxury for a lot of builds

[wanton dawn]

Yellow thoughness act as new 100% towards melee. Bleed through will work

[grave cargo]

I think it has to be my least favorite keystone

Not because it's bad, just because I fucking hate the entire idea of standing still in a horde game

[delicate moat]

I really hate that, at this point if I can't afford Iron Will I'm not using that build

[grave cargo]

And no I'm not fucking crab walking like a lemon

Honestly I just find vet in general way less fun because

You don't have build variety and most of his shit doesn't work for half the game

[serene sage]

Disrupt Destiny should have been Vet keystone

[delicate moat]

fr

[grave cargo]

Other classes have specific benefits and such but vet is hyper specific to a fault

Fucking annoying man

[opal loom]

what am I missing? .-. https://i.imgur.com/aIun8EC.mp4

[serene sage]

Well there are a few generalist fear nothing kill everything builds out there

[delicate moat]

twinned blast

[grave cargo]

That don't have anything interesting besides passive buffs

It's annoying

[serene sage]

What lol

You might be right

[grave cargo]

I wish I could still specialize while having some variety the way ogryns and zealots can

[serene sage]

Let me get home and test

I might be wrong

[grave cargo]

His keystones are just too expensive

[opal loom]

Trying to figure out why my grenade isn't killing hordes even with the grenade buff talents.

[grave cargo]

Because frags don't do that much damage my guy

And the buff is only 25%

[opal loom]

Should at least kill the weakest of mobs, right? >:

[grave cargo]

Nope lol

Frags are a stun

[opal loom]

even zealot nades kill them in 1, don't they?

[wanton dawn]

Do not sleep on frags dmg

[atomic zephyr]

haha, four frags with twinned go kaboom

[gusty sonnet]

Frag is more about the stagger and bleed synergy really