veteran-class

[slow spade]

Yeah Fatshark really emphasized the pistol part 😔

[valid bluff]

The world if boltgun drew as fast as plasgun

[drowsy leaf]

give it more ammo reserves, problem solved for me

[sharp ember]

it don't even have dumdum on , just melted a plogryn earlier with it

[drowsy leaf]

2k reserves, never need ammo again

[junior needle]

Oh whoops, wrong one

[valid bluff]

I'm fine with it being finicky on ammo if it just drew as fast as plas

but that draw time is so painful

and no swap speed on tree to mitigate it is sad

[junior needle]

Is cleave damage a dump stat on power swords?

[median belfry]

boltgun draw speed is like some kind of a deadlift animation

[frank ether]

columnus iag has pretty good maniac damage

[karmic musk]

Solution: Give Plasma same draw speed as Bolter

[valid bluff]

actually doing curls with the gun as you draw it

[frank ether]

its gonna look good in that comparission

[valid bluff]

the monkeys paw curls

[zealous wyvern]

cat pfp cat pfp cat pfp

[sharp ember]

you can dump both cleave stats imo, they barely do anything

[terse idol]

with how many folks play bolter with surgical, it seems like you ain't doing snap shots anywho

[drowsy leaf]

from what i have seen of bolter, the selection of blessings is so poor anyways that surgical is one of the only decent ones people can get anyways

[wanton dawn]

I think shovel would be better defensively

Offensive would be bayonnet

[drowsy leaf]

even then its like the crit is for some damage i guess, bolters already annihilate armor anyways

i dont bolter enough to speak as an expert

[wanton dawn]

Surgical/pinning is prob best offensive combo atm

[twin sail]

is running 3x3 Stamina curios for Deadshot bad? xd

[plush dragon]

no cause deadshot only takes so much

[trim hemlock]

There's odd choices in this build

[median belfry]

I won't lie, I love my basic kantarel. Additionally, I prefer the one with the slowest fire rate.

[slow spade]

3 stamina curios for the columbus deadshot experience UwU

[slow spade]

I too love the Kantreal shotgun

Fire shells > Infernus

[plush dragon]

smort choices

50% pickup speed

never alone

stay in coherencey

[umbral flame]

I wouldn't use it myself but based

[trim hemlock]

Hard disagree. There's many things you can improve in this tree

[sharp ember]

what the hell are your weapon names

what is this tf2

[slow spade]

TF2 and Darktide are in the same setting

[fair jay]

Mod shenanigans

[umbral flame]

wait how do you re name stuff

[slow spade]

Blue and Red team simply took a "slight" rebranding

[umbral flame]

is it in the files or a mod

[slow spade]

Mod

[umbral flame]

what mod

[slow spade]

Weapon Customization Mod iirc

[mint roost]

I'm currently swapping between Bolter, Plasma and the Kantrael MG XII.
The Plasma is just incredibly good, but the Lasgun is really fun cause you can just PewPew anything away which has no carapace (for that, I have Kraks).

[slow spade]

Same mod that lets you do this

[fair jay]

Stop

Shovel time

[umbral flame]

wait is the MG XII still meta? I haven't played in a few months

[slow spade]

Or was it the Favorites mod?

[slow spade]

No longer meta, still good

[sharp ember]

mg1a and mg4 are competitive with it now, on equal footing

[mint roost]

No idea, prob. not

[slow spade]

MK12 is like Purg staff, literally untouched for months

[umbral flame]

rude awakening when I went to bust out my trusty power sword

[sharp ember]

for meta trash killing, you probably want infantry autogun

[median belfry]

same setup with the infantry lasgun. Crack Gs for armored convoys while the rest get the Fallujah Blaster lasgun treatment.

[mint roost]

I prefer the lower click rate because that saves my mouse xD

[median belfry]

plasma is just a better helbore currently, though, which makes me a bit sad.

[umbral flame]

so chainsword is the new meta melee right and is the dump stat still shred?

[fair jay]

I don’t think the difference is too big

[mint roost]

I absolutely love the Bolter, but it needs a serious ammo buff...

[slow spade]

Helbore does get rid of the heat and ammo issue though

[odd sparrow]

Autofire mod allows you to just hold left click instead of spam. Makes laspistol way more viable

[fair jay]

Helbore is more versatile with faster shots (even with mk3) and better ammo efficiency

[slow spade]

So Helbore has its place over plasma still due to its ability to sustain

[median belfry]

lasguns overall are great on ammo, but since I'm a huge psyker nerd, heat management has never been an issue for me

[fair jay]

It’s nice having options

[odd sparrow]

Helbore with surgical has infinite clip which is nutty

[fair jay]

Plasma gun and helbore should ideally both be good to pick if the game is balanced right hopium

[umbral flame]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87

[slow spade]

It still doesn't mean its not a limiting factor for the plasma. Especially in "oops all ragers" situations

[small mauve]

damn I'm for sure not gonna brick it when I can play later today

[mint roost]

I'll look into that, though I'm not a fan of modding online games cause of...reasons.

[slow spade]

My team psyker RAPIDLY pinging the single rager attacking him instead of forcepushing UwU

[odd sparrow]

Nutty statline. Brick time

[fair jay]

Well the devs said mods are fine unless it’s cheating that affects other players iirc

[umbral flame]

nah it should be kept as an oh shit/big boi gun not an anything and everything gun and restricting ammo enforces that

[sharp ember]

darktide mods are blanket-allowed as long as they don't screw with other players

[slow spade]

The Fatshark team is monitoring the modding server, if it wasn't allowed then it'd be gone

[median belfry]

maybe if they gave the helbore a proper sight, there's probably mods for this but I tend to abstain from them as a personal rule

[mint roost]

Hmm..alright

[quick burrow]

with weapon customisation mod you can add sights to weapons

[slow spade]

It is an option at least

[junior needle]

Also macros are explicitly allowed by fatshark, including autofire ones

[quick burrow]

makes weapons you wouldnt touch amazing

[fair jay]

I’m surprised healthbars is still around I mean yeah it’s all allowed yes

Also the normal iron sight is pretty serviceable for the hellbore. I wish it zoomed more though.

[slow spade]

You can also absolutely fuck it up too

[umbral flame]

basically jsut download the first page or 2 of popular all time of nexus and your quality of life will be increased

[fair jay]

Not more cursed customization

[sharp ember]

yeah personally i don't run healthbars but i do run debuff indicators

[fair jay]

[median belfry]

this kills the kriegsman

[slow spade]

Its relevant to the convo so its ok in my books UwU

Hp bars is the closest you can get to basically cheating without being banned as far as I can tell

[sharp ember]

my killing floor training has taught me that only commandos are allowed to see healthbars

[fair jay]

But not in the way they desire

[delicate moat]

[median belfry]

hold up, milk-drinker.
QRD me on the Snoop Dogg bomb, is it actually usable?

[fair jay]

Btw what are smoke grenades good for exactly are they just a meme?

[umbral flame]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/252 still not sure if this is QoL or cheating

[delicate moat]

#veteran-class message

[fair jay]

I mean imo decode helper is less extreme of a mod than healthbars

[umbral flame]

ye fair

[midnight patrol]

Huh.. Emprah gave me an actually good one after a year.

[delicate moat]

#veteran-class message

[valid bluff]

ya know, I'm suprised I don't see flak recommended for boltor more

since it needs it to 1 head gunners?

[median belfry]

thanks, chief. 👈😎👈 doing good work

[valid bluff]

Unless high damage + elites can get it there

[umbral flame]

I have like 2 good guns and they're opposite ends of the spectrum

was kinda hoping resource grinding would be less painful by now

[delicate moat]

[fair jay]

So basically what I get is that smonk could use some help by making it so it doesn’t obscure Allied vision?

[delicate moat]

that itself isn't really that big of a deal

[umbral flame]

who the fuck uses smoke grenades

[delicate moat]

problem is it doesn't stop snipers

[umbral flame]

you some sort of pussy

[fair jay]

Smoke is cool

It’s like I’m playing xcom

[umbral flame]

taking a foo foo head ass smoke grenade when you have the option of a frag or krak is borderline heresy

[midnight patrol]

Smoke just.. Makes everyone angry lmao

[fair jay]

Smoke nade erry day

[umbral flame]

(it probably is useful but how can it be more useful than the crutch that is the vet nade)

[midnight patrol]

It doesnt stop ranged fire reliably.

[delicate moat]

It at least needs to be buffed to stop sniper shots, otherwise it's just preventing your team from actually seeing the sniper. On top of that, smokes could use some buffs like being able to extinguish fire

[midnight patrol]

So you make it turbo cancer for classes without target marking to pull off their own counter ranged fire

[valid bluff]

How important is grenade tinkerer for shredder frags?

[junior needle]

Not very imo, they fulfill their purpose just fine without it.

[umbral flame]

not very

[junior needle]

I'd say grenade regen is much more important

[umbral flame]

^

[delicate moat]

I still do like tinkerer on frags if only vets didn't have such a tight points budget

[slow spade]

Its mainly the difference between "possibly getting hit" vs "yeah you got this revive"

Its not bad, but not worth going out of your way for

It does boost your damage to the point where it would kill people reliably

Especially if you meme and go full nade regen

[junior needle]

Just throw 2 frags, problem solved :DDD

[umbral flame]

do the other classes get more points?

[slow spade]

Demo Team + Stockpile + nade count talent UwU

[slow spade]

Psyker has 80 nodes, Vet has 100

[junior needle]

No, vet just has way more talent bloat

[umbral flame]

I've only ever played vet like the god emporer intended

[slow spade]

Both only have 30 points

[umbral flame]

gotcha

[slow spade]

Also Vet is forced to make bad decisions

[delicate moat]

no twinned blast, heresy

[young sequoia]

twinned blast smoke nades

[slow spade]

D:

[umbral flame]

I'm good at making those naturally so that why I play vet

[slow spade]

"Want the most universally good Keystone? Got to take 3 bad nodes that do nothing on the way there"

Thanks Fatshark

[pastel lark]

anybody knows if the following pennance works with survivalist talent or i need the basic scavanger ?

[radiant raptor]

it works with the other auras

[pastel lark]

ah cool

[radiant raptor]

just keep survivalist on and you're good

[old prism]

Aight fellas, after exhaustive amount of testing, we figured out the most insane god rolled weapon in the game

it is a plasma rifle

for it to be a god roll, you need:
%80 Damage, %80 Stopping Power, %73 Charge Rate, %77 Thermal Resistance, %70 Ammo

the only thing you can compromise here is ammo

but don't go too low because it will affect your ammo generation with survivalist

%73 charge rate + max dmg and stopping power for max dmg on shots

%77 thermal resistance is the lowest you can go if you wanna shoot 4 times instead of 3 when you went down to %59 heat

You'll need Blaze Away + Gets Hot for some crit + power increase one shot shenanigans

[crude wind]

I almost have this

[umbral flame]

whats the dump stat on plasma?

[crude wind]

Got 79/80/73 can't remember ammo and thermal

[old prism]

no dump, ammo is barely a dump stat

[crude wind]

Nobe

None*

It's the hardest weapon to get perfect in the game

Basically need a god rolled 375+

[umbral flame]

well I assume its not stopping power though

[old prism]

the thing is

[trim hemlock]

I want to say ammo, but that’s also important somewhat

[old prism]

stopping power aint one unfortunately, some of your maniac breakpoints depend on your stopping power and damage

[crude wind]

Also it's bugged so you need a super specific charge rate

[crude wind]

This bless combo only really does stuff vs Bosses

[old prism]

it is also great for ramped up blaze away + crit one shots

[hybrid token]

i feel like trying to roll an exact charge rate plasma is a waste of time, its marginal where it matters and when they fix it then it wont be ideal

[crude wind]

Glory hunter is a good second blessing as well

[trim hemlock]

I reckon this is the best one I have currently

[crude wind]

Not sure it can be fixed

It's built into the weapon

[old prism]

yeah, gloryhunter's good

it would be what I run if you have it locked in already but

[crude wind]

I hear ya tho

[old prism]

just too good to have gets hot + blaze away

[crude wind]

I have a diff plasma with blaze away and gets hot

Not the god rolled one

But it does shred bosses

[old prism]

ok so

[crude wind]

Plasma is why brunt is evil, ina. Nutshell

[old prism]

here is one thing I'll tell you guys

perfect charge rate goes up in incrememnts of 8

only exception is

73, which is the absolute best

all the other ones im typing here are the second best tied to damage numbers

56, 64, 72, 80

48,40,32,24,16,8,0

[hybrid token]

good enough

[old prism]

anything below 56 is not worth considering though

that's a good one with volatile, i'm sure volatile is fucking up your early damage breakpoints with its stacks tho

that's why i don't like running it, makes my damage inconsistent

[dusk idol]

its first shot damage would be high, then low, then high and then drop off

for consecutive shots

[old prism]

it is quite interesting indeed, why did they code it like this? who tf knows?

[dusk idol]

or as stacks dropped, i should say

[hybrid token]

i mean i already 1 shot everything outside of ogryns and maulers so

[old prism]

why is chlnk in the armour not working? because why not?

[hybrid token]

dont see that it really matters

[dusk idol]

common psa that charge rate also affects thermal resistance for some reason

[old prism]

it is mostly for special breakpoints

what really annoys me is the flamethrower breakpoint

i think it is the most influentiel breakpoint sometimes, game really changes if youcan one shot em at any distance

[dusk idol]

the charge rate thermal resistance interaction may actually matter in terms of volleys loosed, as it means you may be losing out on an extra shot in your volley depending on your charge rate/thermal resistance

[old prism]

i did the testing

even at minimal charge rate cycles

it doesnt seem tied to your thermal generation

i tested with an %80 %80 plasgun

and a %20 %80 plasgun

doesnt mmake a difference in terms on %59 4 shot breakpoint

as long as you have 77 thermal

[dusk idol]

what do you think is causing the interaction here?

another person here claimed to do some testing with and without volatile and found that it did affect how many shots they could fire

[old prism]

oh yeah, interesting

[dusk idol]

this one

[old prism]

ill create some videos quick

ok so

it does make a discrepancy in the thermal heat generation when you are going from 0 to 100, that is correct

but, the difference between a very low charge rate gun and a very high charge rate gun doesn't change the 4 shot breakpoint from %59 4 light attack shots breakpoints

ill upload some videos in a bit

[dusk idol]

i'm willing to say then that like with damage, the shift is minimal

[valid bluff]

Hmm

[dusk idol]

but though minimal, the fact that charge rate has an affect on damage or thermal res at all is just

why

[old prism]

i know brother lel

[valid bluff]

should I grab Focus Fire + Something else for a boltor + shovel build, or should I grab precision strikes

[old prism]

i was mainly testing the 4 shot breakpoint, because that's why i tend to do in games

vent twice to %59, shoot 4 times

[dusk idol]

yeah, i was looking at the interaction as a whole

and am curious why the code is like that

[valid bluff]

Something like

[old prism]

i'm pretty sure the charging part of the animation has it's heat tied to a timer

[valid bluff]

competitive urge could be something else, just a decent filler node for the last point

[old prism]

because charge rate is low, we stay in the nimation timer longer

[dusk idol]

i like the first build

[old prism]

because we stay in the animation longer, it just u builds a bit more heat

[valid bluff]

Focus fire seems really good when I have the other two points already which has me tempted for the second

[old prism]

'that's just my theory tho

[valid bluff]

But I think precision strikes gives me some really good BPs on boltor

[dusk idol]

possible, i also had a similar theory but in reverse, and also had evidence against due to the other fella who tested

but initially i thought that the longer animation possibly allowed for a slow thermal tick down that eventually accumulated into enough heat dissipated to shoot an extra shot

but it turned out shooting faster meant more shots

[old prism]

yeah, I'm feeling pretty confident in my theory there

classic fatshark fuckery tho

why is this even a thing lmao

[dusk idol]

certified fatshark moment

[dusk idol]

agree

[old prism]

here's a comparison tho, ill record some real short videos

[crude wind]

behold

about as good as I could do with a year of time

[dusk idol]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-christian-bale-american-psycho-kissy-face-nod-gif-4860124

[crude wind]

and this was the BA/Gets Hot one. Not as nice but honestly it's not too far off.

changing subject, do you guys think this is a fair analysis of what Veteran is/should be

• Very high ranged dps, average melee, low durability

[valid bluff]

huh neat

[old prism]

oh damn

[valid bluff]

with 5 stack tag I can 4 shot a crusher on my boltor

[old prism]

i need nitro

xd

[dusk idol]

i would like it if the skilltree allowed flexibility on those, but for the left tree i would get behind it

[old prism]

let me record em much shorter

[crude wind]

so like obviously the skill tree would allow flexibility here

but I mean generally a design ethos

that still generally holds true regardless of build

[valid bluff]

I don't think the not sure low durability should specifically be a part of their design ethos

[crude wind]

e.g. a shout/toughness Vet would never equal a zealot or ogryn in durability

but it is a durability option

[valid bluff]

Ehhh

[old prism]

oh well, seems like it wont let me post here, the video is literally 10 seconds long kekw

[crude wind]

would you trade ranged dps for durability?

[valid bluff]

Absolutely

[dusk idol]

gladly

[valid bluff]

I think psyker is the real low durability one. I like the notion of vet having a solid durability tech tree

[dusk idol]

and in fair point, we already do as is

[crude wind]

i mean that's kind of why shout vet exists right 😄

[crude wind]

i think its 2 and 2

Psyker and Vet are the glass cannons

[valid bluff]

I think it should be 1 2 1

[crude wind]

other 2 are anvils

[valid bluff]

You have psyker that is glass

[dusk idol]

psyker actually has a lot of toughness regen tools in their kit, though they do have next to no toughness dr

[valid bluff]

you have vet and zealot that are the mid road

[dusk idol]

they however do have the ability to completely ignore ranged on crit

[crude wind]

hmmm

[valid bluff]

and then you have ogryn which is a fucking wall

[dusk idol]

which is an incredible survivability tool

[crude wind]

i don't see Vet as = to Zealot durability, that doesn't make much sense to me

one is a front line fighter

the other is a ranged killer

[nimble sentinel]

my understanding, zealot keeps takiness so long as they are actively murdering. Take away heretics to purge and they will fold like a wet napkin

[valid bluff]

Then its a sliding scale

[crude wind]

if anything its scaling. Ogryn > Zealot > Vet > Psyker

[valid bluff]

Sure

[nimble sentinel]

Vet has the best options for killing things before they become a melee problem

[crude wind]

okay well that's good then, we can agree on that

[nimble sentinel]

or second best since psyker doesn't use ammo

[old prism]

the gist of it was:
Plas rifle going from 0-100 there is a discrepancy, but:
If you have at least %77 thermal resistance, venting to %59 and shooting 4 times is possible
charge rate doesnt matter, with the weapons i was testing with
Testing is done with:
%27 Charge rate + %77 thermal resistance plas rifle
%80 charge rate + %77 thermal resistance plas rifle
Important thing to note: Even if you have %80 Charge rate %80 Thermal resistance, you cannot get to 4 shot heat breakpoint from %60. It has to be %59, which is really doable because it drops by a point by the time it takes you to went from %100 to %60.

[dusk idol]

old veteran definitely fit the bill of a ranged fighter, but new veteran blurs the line quite a bit - they're also great in melee in our current patch

[valid bluff]

But I think vet having a solidly defensive setup should be in their options

[crude wind]

oh for sure

[valid bluff]

because they are by far thematically the closests suited for the melee ranged frontline dance build

[crude wind]

but they have that now right?

[valid bluff]

Kinda

[crude wind]

at least, they have the taletns for it

[valid bluff]

but tree problems make it hard to actually leverage it

[nimble sentinel]

Stun everything in front of them and get overshields every <30 seconds, I think that counts

[crude wind]

they can't necessarily get all those talents into a build

[crude wind]

agree agree

[dusk idol]

you could functionally pick up most of what old veteran had, but a lot of what old veteran had has been nerfed or removed

[crude wind]

this version of the tree is very weird

my damage across most builds is really good

[dusk idol]

exec stance vet currently is still capable of loosing a lot of damage, but lacks the dr to fight at range well

[crude wind]

but my surivability is super low

[nimble sentinel]

I miss BRauto rambo builds

[crude wind]

kinda, it's tbh fine now that they fixed ET

[delicate moat]

how do u guys build kantrael shotty?

[dusk idol]

at least in my mind, against shooter rooms or gunner packs that make it hard to dodge

[crude wind]

cause you can take 15% toughness DR fromt ree, coherency talent and ET and get away with no IW

[dusk idol]

lasgun kantrael?

[crude wind]

yes

[slow spade]

You can still do it with a ping build

[delicate moat]

shotty

[crude wind]

weapon swap

[dusk idol]

ignore ranged damage nodes and go weapon specialist

[valid bluff]

Nobody tell hadron

[crude wind]

and dead shot

[dusk idol]

use it at 5-10 meters

and yeah deadshot/precision strikes if you have leftover points

[nimble sentinel]

Oh?

[crude wind]

i will say I think Veteran has hands down the best keystones

they are all fucking nuts man

the issue is getting down to them

[nimble sentinel]

ChOnk in the armour is ltierally broken you get no rending after 10 headshot stacks

[crude wind]

i don't take that node 🤷

but i'll also make sure that bug's reported

you tested that?

[delicate moat]

time to run some shovel/kantrael

[nimble sentinel]

yarp, lemme see if I can find the screenshots

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

There's a bit more above but most of the science begins here

[delicate moat]

when do u use kantrael special?

[crude wind]

high enemy density

tight spaces

bulwark shields

[delicate moat]

[crude wind]

ty for this I'll test now

[nimble sentinel]

np! I tested with a IV las, Ham tested with a Vraks 7, I think there are mixed results with bolter and hellbores? If I remember correctly it might work on carapace but not maniacs

[old prism]

ill quickly test

helbore and bolters huh

[crude wind]

it works for me?

Kantrael 1a

without

[nimble sentinel]

Huh, would you be able to take screenshots?

[crude wind]

huh this is weird

the number is never consistent

and seems to be random with or without

my damage is spanning from 30-67

no rhyme or reason for that

ah

okay apparently its specifically an issue within the meat grinder

swapping talents inside the meat grinder cause this issue

[old prism]

doesnt work with me

63 to 63

rending aint working

with 1a

[crude wind]

try to replicate as follows:

go in without

test on crusher

leave

[nimble sentinel]

that's a bit silly lol

[crude wind]

go in with

test on crusher

leave

[old prism]

aight lets see

wait

[crude wind]

without

[old prism]

are you moving when you are shooting

[crude wind]

no

[old prism]

hm

32 without rending

gaem crashed

typical

[crude wind]

with

works for me when I reset meat grinder

absolutely shits the bed when change talents within it

[frank ether]

It is yes but shovel doesnt get bromentum which I think is must have if you plan to use bayonet

at least for mk3 its really weak without bromentum

I guess mk1/2 you can just use it as single target to nuke specialists which is fine

[young sequoia]

[old prism]

you are right johnny, it does go up to 60 something

[young sequoia]

you got the good emotes

[old prism]

but I dont think that's 10% rending

no wait

it is working

[crude wind]

i think it is

[old prism]

it is yeah

[crude wind]

but reference against the 10% other talent to be sure

[old prism]

interesting

i just did yeah

it does the same thing

[crude wind]

man if and when we can run both of these

Accatran will be good again

[old prism]

laspistol homie

[crude wind]

i've really gone off the current las pistol a bit

I'd prefer a slower, heavier firing one

[old prism]

same, really needs some variants

same with bolter

also

where tf is my melta gun

[crude wind]

my secret copium theory is that melta/ogryn weapon/long las/chain axe/2h force sword will be the first paid for dlc weapon pack

like the one from VT2

i can't remember what it was called

but the one with the moonfire bow, trollhammer etc

[old prism]

okay so

32 -> 63 -> 103

0 rending, 10 rending, 20 rending

that is significant

[crude wind]

10% rending is actually a p massive damage bump for a lot of weapons

[old prism]

yup

[crude wind]

that talent used to be 15% and was nerfed

[old prism]

straight up additive armour ignore

[slow spade]

Rending bad, simply accept the decay 😎😎😎

[crude wind]

understandably

the Recon will have its day once more

[old prism]

ive been runnin this laspistol

it's been absolutely wrecking heretics

[crude wind]

v nice

I have one like this

[old prism]

low stopping power but

it took me like 300k gold so I aint complaining

[crude wind]

a little different but similar enough

[midnight patrol]

So I was really curious. And I made it a point to just use the bayonet for the entire misison on my Helbore mk1

I.. Was out meleeing Oggys

What the hell rofl

[old prism]

ghost makes sense but

[crude wind]

hahaha bayonet?

[old prism]

infernus procs dumdum

so its constantly maxed for me

[midnight patrol]

I'm not joking I just spammed bayonet at head level lmao

Sometimes bayonet charged some specials that weren't paying attention lol

[crude wind]

yeah that's fair, you give up a bit of damage for Ghost but imo worth it with Duck and Dive

[old prism]

i've been running shout so getting shot aint that bad

[crude wind]

cause Ghost triggers it

[old prism]

yea

also stripped down

[crude wind]

so good XD

well, kind of

would be better on Zealot

[old prism]

there's a big problem with my setup though atm

because there is a literal drought of points in vet tree

if you wanna path middle and left this deep

[crude wind]

i only messed about with it but I was killing muties HARD lol

[old prism]

you won't have any util perks

[junior needle]

Yeah, perma ghosting setups are quite nice with deadshot

[old prism]

so i was running %10 rending only with utilitiy

[crude wind]

definitely fun 😄

[old prism]

but man, %20 rending on laspistol seems ridiculous

[crude wind]

imagine if in the next patch we had a tree we could explore more easily

[old prism]

ikr

[crude wind]

that would be so cool man

[old prism]

i've had a guide for patch #14 for builds

i gotta update it for this patch but

it is pain to path though vet tree kekw

[crude wind]

i had some good build vids I put together that are all outdated now -_-

waiting to see if any changes patch 16 before I remake them lol

[old prism]

same bro

[midnight patrol]

Makes me wish we could stick bayonets on other ranged weapons now lol

[crude wind]

updating every 2 weeks is so much work lol 😛

[old prism]

thats a good find though, so apparently the chlnk in the armour does work

just fucks up in psykanium when switched

[crude wind]

kind of annoying the Psykhanium doesn;t tho

[old prism]

does sound a good bit like fatshark coding to me

I kinda want em to do sometning about survivalist aura as well

maybe give all vets base ammo regen, and make survivalist boost it up a bit more or something

seems unfair i have to path through left most of the time

[slow spade]

They should buff survivalist aura

1% -> 10%

[old prism]

no.

[slow spade]

That way its not a "choice"

UwU

[old prism]

it already isnt most of the time lmao

[slow spade]

"Most of the time" clearly it needs to be all of the time

[hidden remnant]

Id like it more if survivalist had a different effect with the ammo being everywhere

[old prism]

touche

[slow spade]

No opportunity cost UwU

[old prism]

exactly, like all vet auras have ammo but middle auras give other minor boosts or soemthing interesting

[slow spade]

Ironic considering the +5% damage aura isn't even the worst one

Psyker has a +5% elite/specialist damage aura lol

[hidden remnant]

Fatshark and numbers is rough

[slow spade]

And people actually pick it over -10% cooldown lmao

[hidden remnant]

Have they nerfed assail into the ground yet?

If no it doesnt matter xd

[untold mulch]

I always pathfind my psyker to get that one

[slow spade]

2s -> 3s on cooldown

[delicate moat]

okayge i think i will sticky to catachan cuz idk how to deal with rager pack with shovel

[hidden remnant]

No then xd

[untold mulch]

I noticed a decrease in Assail spammers

[hidden remnant]

I stopped playing with pugs completely

The idea behind the ability is cool but its so unfun to play as/with

[delicate moat]

i feel so squimshy without iron will

[hidden remnant]

Id rather use bb the entire round

[slow spade]

Pugs are fine imo

Never have any trouble

[delicate estuary]

btw is that with shout

[slow spade]

Yeah

[delicate estuary]

unlucky

shout abuser

[untold mulch]

Me see any strong enemy

1+ charge for the middle keystone

[hidden remnant]

Im not saying theyre bad(they usually are), I just didnt enjoy games withand 2+ assail players

[slow spade]

Just better I guess

[slow spade]

Damage buff refresh UwU

[delicate estuary]

yes takes a lot of skill to press the button I agree 😎

[untold mulch]

My main problem with psyker is that sometimes I get too spammy and end up casting at 100% 💀

oh fu--

[hidden remnant]

Shout

[strange grove]

use venting shriek

[hidden remnant]

Ye

[strange grove]

it will save you before explosion

[hidden remnant]

Its so difficult to die with it its silly

[untold mulch]

I used it as a crutch

but lately as I gotten slightly better at avoiding 100%, I changed to the shield to support allies

because its comfy af to pop a shield at hearing any shot being done

[strange grove]

i love shield, but VS on my trauma/blaze build does more for me

my allies can get their own cover

[teal abyss]

My point is they could literally just say “Up to +60% power on heavy attack based on charge time of attack” instead of unnecessarily convoluting it with “up to +20%, stacks 3 times” Lmao

[hidden remnant]

Charge cd doesnt do anything imo since enhanced psionics or wesome the. NameI is gives u unlimited knives whenever it matters

Anyways hows the new vet talents

Im rotting in a hospital so didnt get to play yet

[slow spade]

Vet is squishier but higher damage

[crude wind]

sorry to hear man, is it serious? Hope you're doing okay

[slow spade]

All the meta builds got buffed

Non-meta builds are hit or miss

[hidden remnant]

Goin home tomorrow, had a smol surgery

[crude wind]

ah kk, well hope you recover well brother

[slow spade]

Technically buffed if you considered Exhilarating Takedown working a buff

[crude wind]

this is very accruate

meta builds v good

everything else is... not great atm

very limited options for building

but this could be easily fixed

[hidden remnant]

How obnoxious is managing the focus buff?

[crude wind]

not at all imo

if u struggle take cammo

and it's usually on

[slow spade]

Yeah shout build with ping keystone seems to be the comfiest so far

[hidden remnant]

Seemed kinda weirdge when I first read it

[untold mulch]

Easier the more Rate of fire you have

[slow spade]

It goes down slowly, not instantly

[crude wind]

i mean it's 3 weakshot kills which can be achieved in 3 shots 😛

[slow spade]

Vets just parroting shit without actually testing

[crude wind]

and it makes some weapons insane

like weapons that miss 1 shot breakpoints

it makes them hit them

[hidden remnant]

:( where boltgun

[crude wind]

so those weapons become really good

e.g. Kantrael 1a

[hidden remnant]

Tho plasma seems good now too

[untold mulch]

Plasma is top tier

[crude wind]

Plasma is insane rn

[hidden remnant]

Pogpogpog

[crude wind]

it was 2 downsides and you can manage them fairly easily

but you could run plasma in anything, it's that good

[hidden remnant]

Bolt good/bad?

[slow spade]

Objectively bad

Still usable

[crude wind]

much more dependent on blessings

but it has fallen from top tier for sure

[slow spade]

Its not Recon lasgun levels of bad

[crude wind]

I have it down around B+ atm

[untold mulch]

I think only weapon I say don't bother period is Recon

Rest are more or less usable

[crude wind]

Recon is defo bottom tier atm but that could change if they update the tree

Recon with 'chink in their armour' and rending strikes would be fucking nuts

[hidden remnant]

Im awaiting the day where the fatshark janitor wakes up and thinks "hm, crafting bad, changing blessings/weapons every 2 weeks makes player deal with bad crafting more, what could possibly fix that"

[untold mulch]

Fat chance

[slow spade]

Recon used to be good because it had immense rending and brittleness

[hidden remnant]

More store cosmetics surely

[slow spade]

Gone UwU

[untold mulch]

Recon VId good for 21 days

: Murder it

reduce it to ashes

[hidden remnant]

Really happy I made one

[untold mulch]

I used all my resources to get a pretty pretty good roll of one

[slow spade]

Yeah like the shocktrooper nerf hurt but without the brittleness and rending it just can't kill

[untold mulch]

next day it was murdered

[hidden remnant]

Surely they fix this trash system soon

For sure for sure

[untold mulch]

Rn I am using Agri Autogun with a mod that makes it sound and look like is a fullauto las

The coping never ends

[slow spade]

You get used to it

[hidden remnant]

My condolences?

And id rather not

[crude wind]

patience

[slow spade]

The suffering continues UwU

[untold mulch]

With shocktrooper nerfed as it is. 5% crit Imo is better as 25% flak

[hidden remnant]

Suffering never ends OwO

[untold mulch]

Ehh, I had patience since beta

[crude wind]

then a little more won't hurt 🙂

[untold mulch]

Recon post beta has been a meme gun

[slow spade]

Considering its shit armor pen, I agree

[hidden remnant]

But then id rather suffer doing something that doesnt give me brainrot for my invested time

[slow spade]

There's always Terraria or something

Idk Core Keeper

[hidden remnant]

terraria last update?????

[untold mulch]

Im waiting for Rogue Trader

full time if patch 2 doesn't adds good shit

[hidden remnant]

Ive been trying out this funny cw mod forfor chaoswastes in vermintide2

[slow spade]

Its been over a year since last update I hope the next update is good UwU

[hidden remnant]

And its been very fun

Getting tbagged by 8 bosses at once was certainly one of the experiences of all time

[crude wind]

looking forward to Rogue Trader

Owlcat games are supposed to be very good at making that kind of game

[slow spade]

Rogue Trader day 1 18+ patch when?

[untold mulch]

[hidden remnant]

Didnt they make pathfinder games?

[crude wind]

they did

[slow spade]

Iirc yes

[untold mulch]

I can't wait to see all the selection of weapons

and use a lasgun anyways

[stark hollow]

damn plasma is actually really enjoyable now

[slow spade]

Phospherex in an actual gun pls

[crude wind]

choom

[marsh condor]

Should I buy this?

[untold mulch]

It is las?

Didn't think so

[slow spade]

Not even Ultimate Apocalyse or Unification added Phospherex 😔

[crude wind]

if u have the melkies spare

[stark hollow]

not sure if shredder is needed

[crude wind]

it might salvagable

shredder stat is fine, won;t matter

[marsh condor]

Shredder's the special attack, innit?

[stark hollow]

ye

[crude wind]

on Chainsword yes

[stark hollow]

unless you building it for the bleed chsword i think its good

[marsh condor]

Which to swap first?

[stark hollow]

dev for savage sweep

[marsh condor]

Cuz I think I have Rev It Up and Bloodthirsty

[stark hollow]

bloodletter and shred is what i use for my chsword

but it is shredder heavy

cause the shredder with bloodletter applies a lot of bleed

but for a general use swordu want savage sweep

[marsh condor]

I am tempted to use Bloodthirsty.

[stark hollow]

shred you can keep

[crude wind]

i would swap elites and Devastating strike on that chainsword

[marsh condor]

But I am also tempted to use Rev It Up

[crude wind]

i like ramage/shred as blessing combo for Vet

[stark hollow]

i mean its up to you what you want to do with it

rev it up is eh for me. unless you wanna speedrun missions

[marsh condor]

Eh, less "Speedrun" and more "Getting into melee"

[crude wind]

feels a bit of a wasted blessing slot tbh

[stark hollow]

i find melee usualy gets into me

[crude wind]

ye lol

like a fine wine

i think Rampage, savage sweep, wrath and bloodletter all better tbh

[stark hollow]

the cleave from savage or damage from rampage will serve well in melee and shred will let you manage hordes with spam light attack quite well

[nimble sentinel]

If you close out of las range, chain sword goes into your brain...ge

[marsh condor]

I mean, it's hard for me to get into melee IF EVERY ENEMY IS ALREADY DEAD BY GUNFIRE.

[placid portal]

Can't go into melee if ogryn crunched all the punies before you can get stuck in

[marsh condor]

I have to keep changing Tasks if they're all in any way related to Melee.

[candid zodiac]

what blessings do u guys recommend along with power cycler?

[stark hollow]

i use rampage

[marsh condor]

For a little bit of support, Supercharged.

[untold mulch]

My PUG experience is the opposite

[candid zodiac]

ty

[stark hollow]

slaughterer also works good

[untold mulch]

I really wish I could shoot, but the Zealot is watching a fly go pass by

[marsh condor]

The reverse is true if I am stuck with Ranged Tasks

[placid portal]

Rampage is still bugged so it does more than slaughter rn

[stark hollow]

bugged?

[placid portal]

35% power vs 36% power + 50% dmg

ye

New rampage blessing also applies old rampage blessing

[stark hollow]

oh nice

[placid portal]

So effectively an 190% dmg modifier

[stark hollow]

now lets all forget this "feature" exists

it should stay this way

[placid portal]

[nimble sentinel]

I'm kind of thinking about taking Covering Fire to make my lasgun 0 ammo mag dumping even more useful, anyone wanna confirm its usefulness/roast me for even thinking about shooting the horde?

[stark hollow]

btw is vantage point bugged

[marsh condor]

Anyway, I was planning on replacing the Chainsword's Rev It Up blessing anyway, after I can earn a good blessing

[strange grove]

holy shit why do people choose bolter/plasma to shoot a bruiser or two by themselves

[stark hollow]

i got it from doing a malice mission

[strange grove]

i literally call out every single person who does that

[trim hemlock]

Consider this: do you really need to restore toughness of your teammates?

Is it worth 1 skill point?

(I’d say no)

Because all classes have decent toughness replenishment methods

[delicate moat]

i want to leech my teammates toughness OwO

[nimble sentinel]

Zealots and Ogryns get their toughness from melee, if I'm shooting their clusters without giving them any in turn I am literally trolling

[trim hemlock]

If you want to help your team more, take increased coherency radius

[trim hemlock]

I mean, no, I don’t know what they would have to be doing in melee to be in constant need for toughness

[wanton dawn]

Talent that benefit you and your team are better

See: target down

[delicate moat]

kantrael gaming

[bitter turtle]

wtf

i just got brought down from 100 to 0 by an unknown number poxbursters lol

i hate this enemy

[nimble sentinel]

already have it but I only have the points for 5 stacks, on average killing the horde is going to give more toughness AND bonus damage

[bitter turtle]

took enough wounds to literall youtright kill me without a down too

[delicate moat]

everybody calm until the poxburster conga line hits

[bitter turtle]

basically LOL

[wanton dawn]

Which average though ?

[bitter turtle]

killed the run

[delicate moat]

the first and second poxbursters in a conga line don't get me, it's the third/fourth poxburster that somehow didn't explode together that gets me

[bitter turtle]

just never had it outright kill me from full hp like that before

if it downed me that'd be one thing but i ate enough explosions from the conga line that i lost my wound apparently

[nimble sentinel]

Auric damnation has a looooooooot of elites to tag, though this is still a valid argument to stay the course

[delicate moat]

"increased poxbursters" is the one of the best maelstrom modifier

[nimble sentinel]

I'm theorycrafting while at work

[delicate moat]

I need to use infiltrate more, so I can direct a conga line of poxbursters aggro'd at me suddenly to my teammates

[wanton dawn]

Talking bout covering fire

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/76dcc2982b054fff2cb51357408fe54f.png

we died right after LOL

the smite psyker was trying to save the run but he cant kill fast enough with spoopy lightning

[desert raven]

Istg if they don't buff recon lasgun ambatublo

[nimble sentinel]

my b shoulda clarified: thinking about taking covering fire (and maybe field improv) over tagging keystone, saving some points while staying useful to pugs

[wanton dawn]

Covering fire is unreliable at best

[nimble sentinel]

my starting point

[delicate moat]

I still feel like covering fire is kinda niche and unrealiable

[bitter turtle]

covering fire is hard to pick up (takes 2 pts if you arent going fire team) and half of it is useless (3 sec dmg buff)

i'd pick something else too

[wanton dawn]

The only guns id consider for it are shotgun

[delicate moat]

hmm, wouldn't MG IV be better served by exec stance + left tree?

[bitter turtle]

if you want to support pug teams more, just run more grenade perks

with shredder frag

i doubt you have demo team + nade regen + extra nade all together

[delicate moat]

Just that I think dealing with all the pesky ranged enemy is already massively supportive

[wanton dawn]

Frags is better than smoke at dealing with shooter

[bitter turtle]

frags is the "save the run" button

[delicate moat]

You don't understand, you don't use smoke to deal with shooter, you use smoke to deal with teammates

[bitter turtle]

when you're suddenly stuck in a room full of a shit and sandwiched between enemies from the back and front lol

shout knockdown + 3 frags can keep a horde at a standstill for long enough to salvage teh situation

[delicate moat]

yeah I really miss frags if I don't take it (e.g. for krak)

[wanton dawn]

You dont

[delicate moat]

I use smoke so teammates become blissfully unaware of the danger that is surrounding them

[broken spade]

i think it's just kinda bad.
A lot of the time it isn't even a good idea to shoot things right next to teammates

[strange grove]

wtf can the game put you back in teh same game you left ( on purpose?)

[bitter turtle]

yes

[broken spade]

zealots and a lot of ogryn builds kinda rely on having enemies near them to survive

[strange grove]

holy shit it can

what absolute shit coding

[trim hemlock]

Yes, why wouldn’t it?

[bitter turtle]

it might be on purpose to discourage ragequitting

[strange grove]

I left a game on purpose and wanted to requeue for the same map

[trim hemlock]

Should it specifically flag the lobby you manually left as “I don’t want to return here”?

[bitter turtle]

wait a few min and reuquee

[strange grove]

I'm tired of joining missions mid missions with shit health and shit ammo/nades

let me have a fresh start

If only people joining mid mission had full hp/ammo etc it would help

[bitter turtle]

just let me spectate before joining lol

[strange grove]

"Thanks for joining to replace a bot for this team, now eat shit and die"

[ionic scarab]

This is Warhammer 40k universe for ya

[delicate moat]

My favourite is when I join and already down a wound, at half health, along with 3 dead bots

[strange grove]

Or straight to the you have failed the emperor screen

[delicate moat]

"the fuck happened here"

[broken spade]

tfw i join and the gun isn't even loaded

[delicate rivet]

Thats the worst

[civic knot]

What is bomber res? against bursters or bombers?

[bitter turtle]

bombers

[delicate rivet]

And its a bunch of 30s failing Malice

[broken spade]

bombers

[bitter turtle]

and from what I heard

it only affects their kick

n ot their bomb

lol

[broken spade]

i wish there was burster res

[bitter turtle]

same

i run 2x hp just for them tbh

[delicate moat]

so apparenly carnival has another one of those boxes that you can sit on top of and the enemies can't path to you

[bitter turtle]

the weirdest pathing thing ive seen

is when i got trapepd on a map

but on the stairs

and my body was on one of the steps

but the mobs were on the other steps

and they couldnt hit me

lmao

they just stared

[wanton dawn]

Heretics drugs mess with pathing or smth

[bitter turtle]

apparently it also messes with their understanding of stairs

height in general

🤔

[delicate moat]

trappers and stairs never mix well

I've learned to avoid dealing with trappers around stair cases

[wanton dawn]

SOMEONE CALLED FOR A BOMB ?

[delicate moat]

the bombers will literally throw a nade from ivy, out middle, through our connector like some kind of NBA superstar dead center on your downed body which just got trapped through a wall

[crude wind]

seen this quite a bit since new patch

[bitter turtle]

i think they shoul donly be able to chuck with LoS available lol

tbh

but whatever

fix bursters being mute behind spawn doors first

[gusty sonnet]

Well TBF, our ogryns can countersnipe with rock tosses, so it's only fair 🤷

[delicate moat]

there's a particular door which is awful for this, you know the hourglass map when you come up the elevator and the medicae is to the right, and there's some platform outside?

I've seen countless pub teammates get insta burstered from that door

I have learned to stay away from that door

[crude wind]

also the door on smelter complex

before one of the drop downs

if u know, u know

[delicate moat]

oh yeah that one is bad too

[umbral scaffold]

so guys, favorite blessings on a shovel?

[delicate moat]

uncanny / decimator is a good pairing

take a swing / all or nothing is another pairing IIRC

[umbral scaffold]

nice, i don't have any of those

[bitter turtle]

ya

i dont know why

there's some that i feel like you can hear behind

and then there's some

literally one time the door kept opening and closing

and it'd got BEEP BEEP BEEP nothing BEEP BEEP BEEP nothing BEEP BEEP BEEP

lik ewtf

[placid portal]

Kill ze enemies of man with door

[delicate moat]

how do u deal with a rager pack with shovel?

the special attack to wp can stun one, but multiple?

[viral trench]

ok so what should i change the perks to?

[ionic scarab]

Blaze away?

[viral trench]

ok so I want to drop that ok for what

[versed merlin]

blaze away is not that bad imo, its even better when dealing with multiple packs of specials at the same time

[crude wind]

don;t drop BA

tbh you should start over, the stats on this one are bad

[clear mist]

is this good? its more if i shoude max it or melt it down

[crude wind]

not to be discouraging

[viral trench]

the SP is low

[crude wind]

yes

and the charge rate falls in the bad zone too

[viral trench]

so you want a low charge rate

[crude wind]

you ideally want exactly 73

and if not that

80, 72, 64 all okay as well

it's such an annoying gun to get a good one of

[bitter turtle]

max it

[acoustic wyvern]

difference is only 3-4%

[bitter turtle]

it already has 2 good/decent rolls

you can change weakspot dmg to maniac and last slot to surgIV

[stark hollow]

is this worth building?

[clear mist]

what woude a god like one look like? xD

[acoustic wyvern]

honestly you don't really needa plasma with a good charge rate for that dmg. it feels the same when you fire anyways

[bitter turtle]

flak IV and swap mobility roll with reload speed

[viral trench]

so if I want to push the gun up in any way what am I looking for?

[bitter turtle]

the good roll was the handcannon IV,, decent was flak III

what I was referring to

[versed merlin]

blaze away + gets hot are the best combo you can get imo

[stark hollow]

if you get surgical 4 on that bad boy you are set

also why does charge rate affect damage on plasma seems weird

[versed merlin]

for perks im not sure, maybe 25 flak and 25 unyielding or maniac

[acoustic wyvern]

i'd pick flak and maniac

[versed merlin]

yeah same

[acoustic wyvern]

unyielding only effects like 2 enemy types

[grim walrus]

I might have found a glitch...

[versed merlin]

i wouldnt bother with the charge rate thing really

[acoustic wyvern]

chargers, you see everywhere

[stark hollow]

reload to maniac or elite and if you get blaze away to 4 it should be good

you wanna test the breakpoints

aka see which enemy you can kill in 1 less shot

so if it takes 3 shots to kill a rager and on the 2nd shot there is only a sliver oh hp left

[frank saffron]

anybody have a build for infantry lasguns

[stark hollow]

then uping elite/maniac will guarantee the kill in 2 shots

[frank saffron]

or The Build for infantry lasguns

[stark hollow]

not really a chsword user but yall think this weapon is savable

saveable

[acoustic wyvern]

i'd use that with a specific build

the special attack build

[frank saffron]

iz ayt itd be nice if u had more damage and finese

[stark hollow]

this one?

thats the one i built for special att

[frank saffron]

yuh but now ur damage is kapoot

[acoustic wyvern]

oh nah, the one that hits specials for guranteed crits

[stark hollow]

oh?

eh guess ill stick to psword for the time being

not like ill get a better psword anytime soon

[acoustic wyvern]

lemme find it sec

[acoustic wyvern]

this blessing

i rarely use my melees anyways. but when i use it, i like to use it on something tanky

[stark hollow]

is bloodthirsty really good?

cause the sp att takes up some time to use

and only the next melee att will be a crit

[acoustic wyvern]

it'll be mid at best during hordes

but damn its fun

[stark hollow]

ah

i need a horde ass saver

[acoustic wyvern]

iirc people like taking savage sweep sweep for horde

[stark hollow]

wanted to build a rampage savage sweep chsword

[acoustic wyvern]

chainsword already has a nice dmg

including light attacks

[stark hollow]

yea i use shred and spam light att for chsword

[old prism]

revolver.

[viral trench]

anyone have a god roll recon mk2 rifle?

[karmic musk]

What is the optimal Blessing for MK4 Devil Claw? Rampage + Shred/Savage Sweep?

[delicate moat]

i like rampage / skullcrusher

[versed osprey]

Best power sword ?

[alpine elk]

guys what blessings should i get for shotguns?

[trim hemlock]

No Respite and Full Bore for Agri and Lawbringer. No Respite and Deathspitter or Fire Frenzy, or Full Bore (somewhat unreliable with 21 pellets) for Kantrael

[acoustic wyvern]

thats great but building up those stacks is gonna suck

[stark hollow]

people say mk6 but i say whichever one you have that has better stats

[alpine elk]

thanks

[stark hollow]

all you need is power cycler 4

[acoustic wyvern]

the mk 6 slows you down while you're charging, big turn off for me

[civic knot]

Good roll? I think ghost could be good tbh. Just keep popping heads, right?

[versed merlin]

wasted nearly 200k gold on power swords and didnt get a single power cycler not even 3 or 4

[stark hollow]

yea

[stark hollow]

rip

melk gave me a bunch of pcycle 4 swords

[versed merlin]

i have all rank 3 blessings and almost all rank 4

execpt for power cycler

i gave up at some point lol

im content with only 1 energized attack

[stark hollow]

were you only upgrading swords with 350 modifier and above?

higher the modifier higher the chance for a higher level blessing

[versed merlin]

oh

i didnt pay attention to ratings at all

[stark hollow]

it helps

[acoustic wyvern]

just continue logging in daily and lookin at melk hahaha

[versed merlin]

hmm thats good to know

[stark hollow]

yea

ok but for power swords, mk6 has a slower charge time and also slows you down if you are walking and charging it.

testing now

[acoustic wyvern]

oh i'm a old man, manuevers like that just mkaes me ehh to attempt it

[stark hollow]

first heavy swing is also at an angle

[acoustic wyvern]

i think i'm only good at like, sliding while running

[stark hollow]

pswod 6 perks are flaniac right?

[versed merlin]

how much is pen important for horde clearing chainsword?

[trim hemlock]

Flak will mostly help you against Scab Ragers, so it’s not super priority a perk IMO

[stark hollow]

dont think pen is for horde clearing

[old prism]

i play this build by crouching the entire game, it is actually more viable than it seems with shovel kekw

[versed merlin]

hmm and if this were for elite dealing, with say bloodletter and shred how much pen should i aim at at least?

[trim hemlock]

I’d just settle on Elites + something, but two-shorting Crushers with PA follow up and L4 is something somewhat desirable also

[stark hollow]

this is my psword 6. had it long before you could change blessings and perks i just upped pcycler from 3 to 4

what should i change flak to then

elites?

[trim hemlock]

Maybe. See if that does anything for you.

[stark hollow]

cause ive been using a psword 3 for the longest time

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn’t take Flak though - you already can murder Dreg bruisers with the thing, and you should be hitting Maulers in their heads anyway

[karmic musk]

Hmm so the DClaw parry works against Crushers

Not sure I would like to use it all the time tho lmao

Not like it kills them quick anyways

[trim hemlock]

It might take a while to kill it

[acoustic wyvern]

ngl i do that with my iag lolol

[trim hemlock]

The parry is mostly a defensive measure

[old prism]

lol

[karmic musk]

Should let you reflect that overhead damage back

[trim hemlock]

But that would only deal what, 400 damage back to it?

500 maybe, I don’t recall the exact numbers

[karmic musk]

0.3s parry = mult by 3

[stark hollow]

what does crabbing the whole game do though

[karmic musk]

Training my 3rd Vet to farm Melk dailies, the utter degeneracy

[thick rose]

ooh.

[stark hollow]

you install the mod for extra class slots?

[karmic musk]

yeap

[stark hollow]

damn

you really need all those melkbucks?

[karmic musk]

No Im just increasing the chance of getting PC4 from Melk

[stark hollow]

ah fair

good luck i guess

[karmic musk]

Will get it before Darktide 2 releases

[stark hollow]

you mean will get it before 2 handed pswords get released

i swear 2 handed psword and psword better share blessings

i refuse to farm for pcycle 2 again

pcycle 4*

[upper dock]

happy about this

[stark hollow]

no idea how to build mkV autogun i got a nice one but no idea what to slap on it

[upper dock]

I think basically exactly what I have is what you want

[stark hollow]

is dumdum still bugged?

[upper dock]

I believe so

[stark hollow]

this is what i got

[upper dock]

Yeah I'd probably just swap Dumdum for Deathspitter and Unarmored to Maniac

[stark hollow]

keep punishing?

[gusty sonnet]

Dumdum is BiS, keep dumdum

[upper dock]

oml

no i mistyped, keep Dumdum

[stark hollow]

ah

well seeing as i have exactly 0 blessings for inf autoguns

i gotta get farming

[karmic musk]

It won't

[stark hollow]

hush