veteran-class

[little fog]

Oof.

[untold mulch]

He wishes you death

[little fog]

I remember the days of 4 Trappers, 8 Snipers and a battalion of gunners sitting at one entrance point back in the beta.

I guess it does get worse xD

Any changes to gun stats?

[untold mulch]

Recon is shit

apart from that

a lot of stuff is pretty decent to pretty good now

Plasma is amazing

[little fog]

Alright

I did a little digging about numbers, someone said that the XII is no longer the best gun for Veterans.

[serene bough]

Its still good

But mg1a is probably the best lasgun atm

[jolly cave]

It's still my preferred lasgun because of ammo efficiency. But the 1a and IV both have more dps

[night sparrow]

i don't think you can go wrong with the infantry lasguns rn they're pretty nice

[serene bough]

Mg4 has great ammo efficiency

[little fog]

You do not run out of ammo withe XII do you with the current ranged tree.

[serene bough]

You can mag dump into hordes and never run out of ammo

[little fog]

Headshot after headshot.

[jolly cave]

I still perform better with a XII because I never need to pick up ammo and it hits all the 1 shot breakpoints

[serene bough]

Pretty much

[little fog]

I ran a XII for a bit.

[serene bough]

I've swapped to the mg4

[little fog]

Great for Specialists and Elites.

But... No horde killing efficiency.

Since then i've switched to the Ia and it does both well.

Higher ROF, More consistent damage, if your aim is good and you're accustomed to the recoil it could perform better.

Though, you are going to run out of ammo.

[jolly cave]

Maybe, but I also like not having carpal tunnel. I'm glad people like a variety of weapons though.

[little fog]

Don't blame you xD

[hollow ibex]

Fullauto mod is your friend

[serene bough]

Yeah full auto is nice when you wanna just dump into a crowd

[little fog]

There's a Full Auto mod?

[serene bough]

Yes

[little fog]

In game or?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s basically an auto clicker in mod form

[little fog]

Something you gotta get 3rd Party.

[hollow ibex]

Nexus mods

[silent nebula]

With shock trooper it's still pretty much self-sustaining

[little fog]

Correct.

[celest vine]

All infantry lasguns are viable

[serene bough]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87 @little fog

[celest vine]

Which is really cool

Before patch 14 it was just the MG12

[little fog]

But you're still gonna need to pick up ammo here and there.

[celest vine]

Now all can be useful

[little fog]

That's great to hear.

[hollow ibex]

I haven’t found a good hotkey setup for the full auto mod melee version sadly

So no knife for me

[serene bough]

I just full auto for guns not melee

[silent nebula]

Sometimes, but I was able to finish a damnation run without grabbing any ammo, but ran low at the very end from constant magdumping

[hollow ibex]

Yah same

[little fog]

Skill issue with me then clearly xD

[celest vine]

The infantry lasguns should have select fire

And recon las should be burst

[little fog]

True.

[celest vine]

Would be cool

[little fog]

So, hot-shot lasguns are now horrible now?

[celest vine]

They dont exist

Yet

[midnight mortar]

hot-shot lasguns
Since when did Veteran ever have those.

[celest vine]

So yes theyre garbage

[serene sage]

Yes because you don't have them

[sharp trail]

should I try out focus target or weapon specialist with a plasma gun

[silent nebula]

Do you mean hellbore or recon?

[little fog]

Recon.

[celest vine]

Recons are toilets mostly

[midnight mortar]

Recons are pretty dumpstered.

[serene sage]

Recons are all cons now

[little fog]

Full Auto Lasguns are Hot-Shot in my eyes xD

[celest vine]

Can be useable with trigger discipline

[silent nebula]

Oh yeah fatshark crapped on the recon lmao

[little fog]

Oof.

I was just about to make a Recon build...

Shit.

[delicate moat]

i like mid tree with plasma the most

[midnight mortar]

Their TTK against maniacs is awful.

[silent nebula]

Now shock trooper has a small cool down that really specifically effects the recon

[midnight mortar]

Making them a good way to throw an auric.

[little fog]

Oof.

An entire fucking mag xD

Right, i'll stick with me Ia

[nimble sentinel]

IV is plenty viable for the relatively same feel, just gotta click a lot or get the full auto mod\

[midnight mortar]

Last I checked, what changed was that Shocktrooper now only refunds the first crit in a string.

Recons also had crit strings shortened to 2, and the VId has no crit strings anymore.

[silent nebula]

I didn't know crit strings were a thing, does this affect any other lasguns? I haven't noticed it at all

[midnight mortar]

Pretty sure no other lasguns have crit strings. Easiest way to check is just go to the psykhanium and fish for crits.

If you reliably get back to back crits with a base weapon that doesn't use any crit blessings, it has a string.

[silent nebula]

Aw hell so it is literally a targeted nerf

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

The VId paid for the crime of having 3 weeks of relevancy.

[serene sage]

Best crit string user right now must be the Columnus

[midnight mortar]

Also had it's damage against flak at range reduced by 25%.

[serene sage]

Which is why gunkers are using it

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, the Columnus is literally a VId recon only better.

Fatshark just hasn't noticed it yet.

[silent nebula]

You know it's bad when an autogun outshines any las-weapon's ammo efficiency

[delicate moat]

i have a feeling columnus is going to catch an undocumented nerf next patch

[midnight mortar]

Well, the Columnus is more ammo efficient via damage.

Not necessarily refunding bullets.

[silent nebula]

Also,

increase gunner and rager spawns by an additional 20%

[midnight mortar]

Which is funny because it highlights how the VId was being carried by a talent, rather than its innate characteristics.

But Fatshark saw fit to nerf both that and the talent.

[delicate moat]

did u mean

reduced specialist spawns

[midnight mortar]

A finger on the monkey's paw curls.

[nimble sentinel]

just about as hopeless as living in the imperium, muh immersion is eatin good tonight

[silent nebula]

It is at a point though where you do save more ammo by actually killing what you're aiming at quickly

At least, I never hungered for ammo when I ran vet colombus like with any recon

[delicate moat]

i hunger for ammo because i magdump into ogryn's butt

[midnight mortar]

That's my point. Both the VId and IAG Columnus performed the same way. Only one of them was doing so by merit of its characteristics as a weapon. The other was hard carried out of "below average" by some talents on the talent tree.

[little fog]

I feel this.

[midnight mortar]

3 Weeks of Patch 13.

Then it paid the Vet Tax.

[little fog]

"Too Good, Must Nerf."

[silent nebula]

I really wonder what the point of putting the recons in the game must be

[delicate moat]

Everyone and their cat during that 3 weeks ran VId, good times

[silent nebula]

They do... nothing better than any other weapon
The laspistol does better

[serene sage]

So we have a las equivalent of ballistic automatic guns?

[midnight mortar]

I'll tell you a secret: Fatshark doesn't know.

[thorn yoke]

The point of the recon is so you can have someone on your team using it and have them take all the ammo in the game

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark has no idea what niche they want recons to occupy.

[thorn yoke]

This is, by the way, also the point of a stubber Ogryn

[midnight mortar]

The moment a single recon variant found a potential niche it could fit in, it was nerfed.

[serene sage]

Recon was nerfed for half the shit the Revolver is allowed to do

[midnight mortar]

But this is also a compounded issue because Fatshark's idea of difficulty is to simply increase the quantity of enemy subtype spawns.

[delicate moat]

except stubber ogryn is actually strong and kills things

[thorn yoke]

You haven't met some of the stubber ogryns I've played with

[delicate moat]

oh i know exactly what u mean

[serene sage]

Ogryns are either really good or really bad

[delicate moat]

no inbetween

[serene sage]

I've never seen an Ogryn that makes me go yeah dude's average

Same as Vets tbh

[silent nebula]

Yeah at least when there's a mediocre vet on your team you tend to still get free ammo lol

[serene sage]

Zealots and Psykers somehow all blend in for me

[delicate moat]

jokes on u....

they take the speed or dmg aura

[serene sage]

I remember very few being particularly good or bad. They just kinda do their fair share.

[silent nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/inconceivable-princessbride-impossible-gif-5806265

[serene sage]

Fire Team is good

I'll die on this hill

Is it Survivalist good? No
But is it as good as other Auras? Maybe slightly better even

[untold mulch]

Preach

[deep fable]

a decent vet is overrepresented on the kill feed because the class is very strong

ill be playing like crap

and still be doing more than my fair share

and not be downed

[silent nebula]

Tbf the main point of vet is to pick off inconvenient targets for the rest of the team

They tend to struggle more against chaff than other classes I'd say

[near sable]

my main point on vet is to shoot everything that moves

[deep fable]

power sword w/ power cycler

[delicate moat]

my main point on vet is to shit out a nade every 60 seconds

[thorn yoke]

Swiss army grenades indeed

[serene sage]

There are builds that can take care of everything

[deep fable]

literally everything else id agree

[silent nebula]

But my sword battery is dying so I need to turn it on every two swings

[lyric warren]

i will take that trade revolver for life

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-cry-about-it-gif-20911079

[delicate moat]

have u tried downloading more battery

[deep fable]

the number of people who dont run that skill is astounding to me

[marsh condor]

How good (or bad) is this?

[silent nebula]

You wouldn't download a car power sword battery...

[delicate moat]

but your psword can run doom

[serene sage]

Sometimes you don't have enough points

[deep fable]

you would however, just press r3 to charge it again

[lyric warren]

vet problems

[thorn yoke]

based on what I've been told, Damage and pen are too low by a touch

[marsh condor]

Predicted

[serene sage]

I do think that people should run grenadier-ish builds more though

[thorn yoke]

I have been very tempted to make a build that just selects every single grenade trait

[delicate moat]

not enough ventilation purge vets

[serene sage]

Also people on Reddit really think that "support" builds cannot kill things

[marsh condor]

I am about to do one

[serene sage]

Mother fucker you just suck

[marsh condor]

After I finish this little task.

[serene sage]

Support build has a million damage buff

[thorn yoke]

so out of curiosity. What does Reddit think a support build is

[marsh condor]

Specifically, this build I'm going for will have a Combat Axe and a Laspistol.

[deep fable]

three points needed. extra grenade, 1 every 60 seconds, 6% chance on elite kill

[serene sage]

Just because you want to go support with your shitty shotgun to debuff with onslaught

And play like ass

[tall torrent]

Bricked

[silent nebula]

Hm
You know what, I'll make a grenadier vet just for you

[cyan kite]

based

[delicate rivet]

Wheres ya keystone sah!

[cyan kite]

grenades are his keystone

[delicate moat]

do u not see, this is the 4th keystone

[silent nebula]

Mm yes, very nice

[cyan kite]

as it should be

[tall torrent]

The support build unironically has the best breakpoints

[silent nebula]

Wonder if krak or shredder would be better for a grenade spam build- oh who am I kidding, bleed spam is crazy

[delicate moat]

it turns out u can support by killing things

[silent nebula]

I do feel like the grenade split perk just... does not trigger

[delicate moat]

idk if it ever worked for smokes tbh

i couldn't see

[sharp ember]

i've seen twin nade work

i'm not strong enough to use it with smokes though

they should give it a little PING noise when it twins

[untold mulch]

Damage Reduction is not needed if no enemy is alive to do Damage

[silent nebula]

Sure, just feels like that 20% is more like a 5%

[sharp ember]

rng chance on a limited resource is very engaging you see

[untold mulch]

twin nade need either a higher chance or a way to proc

[nocturne mulch]

My support build is to just stab everything in the face with a bayonet

[thorn yoke]

btw is there any significant benefit for Enhance Grenades on Krak? Other than maybe a bit more damage on monstrosities?

[nocturne mulch]

I like to support from the front

[valid apex]

Deeper

Middle

[nocturne mulch]

Rager hordes fear my bayonet

[valid apex]

😏

[silent nebula]

I believe it increases the radius

So two of them can actually wipe an entire horde

Wait shit krak not frag

[thorn yoke]

hm. it documents aoe increase on frag

[delicate moat]

no only dmg iirc

[silent nebula]

Oh God oh fuck

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

Yeah idk if there's any reason to run more damage on krak outside of sticking monstrosities

Maybe it increases the chance to kill people right next to the one you stuck? Idk

[sharp ember]

it kinda does, by giving you more damage to work with as it falls off over distance

not sure how great that is though

you're mostly hoping the enemy stands on top of eachother anyway

[marsh condor]

I've two types of Grenadier sets. The basic one, and the Breacher variant

[lunar cargo]

should i get this? :0

[marsh condor]

Shredder seems low to me

Ask the others

[merry oak]

It works

[zealous wyvern]

i feel like its a placeholder

no shred, no good perks

i dont know if devestating is good tho

[queen quiver]

What is the general opinion on classes rn. Who’s strongest who’s weakest?

[lunar cargo]

thx \o/

[crude fiber]

ah yes, the laspistol

[serene sage]

I hand out grenades like candies so I don't use the +1 cap, not really.
So Tinkered Demo Stockpile
If I'm feeling fancy I might grab Twin as well

But not enough points kek

[urban steppe]

i know its heresy but now i started to love more my plasmagun

[fair jay]

Cease

[midnight mortar]

This is disgusting.

[urban steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[wanton dawn]

[midnight mortar]

Pain.

[wanton dawn]

Tbf it was relatively smooth ride

[pine snow]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-silly-warhammer40000-space-marine-purge-intensifies-gif-7691332

[wanton dawn]

well, except for him i guess

[urban steppe]

i knoow buut look at thiis

[midnight mortar]

If anyone in the party got knocked down 7 times, I wouldn't be feeling all that smooth about the run. Would probably be constantly looking back to make sure they didn't kill themselves again.

[pine snow]

please report to the nearest inquisitor

[wanton dawn]

I mean, if you know it is the lvl 17 🤷

[spice wadi]

is the leather the overheat warning

if u can smell cooking leather the gun needs to cool down

[pine snow]

shoulda put a porkchop on it

ah wait sorry we can't afford that its only for the nobles

[umbral scaffold]

is it me or the sound for darktide just broke

got it on max cant hear a thing

[midnight mortar]

I've had issues with audio not playing certain sounds when lots of sounds overlap or it cuts out for a half second or so, but nothing with inaudible levels.

[umbral scaffold]

oop nvm it wasnt set to use my headphones as an output

[silent nebula]

I get audio crunchyness every now and then and dialogue often gets cut off

[umbral scaffold]

also how this look :d

[marsh condor]

Which is better on Combat Axe? Limbsplitter or Thrust?

[umbral scaffold]

first game looks promising

[zealous wyvern]

wow

[umbral scaffold]

and the sound broke

xd

[marsh condor]

I consider "melee" Vets as "hybrids"

[thorn yoke]

the real question is, does Zealot get bayonets

[marsh condor]

No

[thorn yoke]

then what's the point

[marsh condor]

Which is why I suggested Bayonet Boomsticks

[umbral scaffold]

well now every time i shoot all sounds break except the casing droping sound ?? ?

warp fucking around to much

emperor help

[midnight mortar]

Sounds like your audio drivers may be archaic or something.

Or your headphones have a faulty connection maybe.

[umbral scaffold]

my drivers an arch heretic you say?

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-silly-warhammer40000-space-marine-purge-intensifies-gif-7691332

[sleek cairn]

this is true

but the handling of revolver is just too good

[tall torrent]

Does suppression immunity prevent you from getting pushed by enemy ranged attacks?

[umbral scaffold]

Iron will and two stealth charges tbh

Oops my 200 toughness is full again

Oops it's full a second time

[urban steppe]

report about more heresy , bolter i mean fishbolter

[umbral scaffold]

Romanian bolter

Powered by copper wire and tarot

[urban steppe]

[midnight mortar]

No. I assume by pushed you mean the staggering/stunning that happens after you lose all toughness and start taking ranged hits.

[wanton dawn]

I only skimmed the start of zealot tree but already I see at least 3-4 nodes that either heal or give pure DR. While vet survivability is all tied to thoughness and destroyed by any form of flame

So yeah, vet might have more dmg potential in melee but survability wise it is not even close to compare

Not that interested no.

I look at build maker if I want to check team bonus

Otherwise meh

Whenever I learn things about the game it makes me angry at ppl saying crap. I rather stay ignorant

No, I am mostly uninterested in ppl getting all defensive for no reason

[tall torrent]

No, reaper suppressive fire keeps pushing u off

[midnight mortar]

Oh you mean the camera shaking that suppression does then?

I've run with immunity to suppression for so long I've forgotten what it's like.

[tall torrent]

No like, getting shot at by reaper physically pushes your character backwards

[midnight mortar]

Hm. I haven't experienced that.

[tall torrent]

Also happens with shotgunners, they push u back

[midnight mortar]

Not sure if it's because of the suppression immunity or just because they die before they can focus on me.

Ahh

[white minnow]

they still push with suppression immunity yeah

[midnight mortar]

If that's the case, then no suppression immunity does not prevent that.

Yeah.

I've definitely been bodied by shotgun shots.

[white minnow]

it was thy grenade be swift that was preventing that previously since stun immunity is linked to it somehow

[midnight mortar]

You mean grenade tinkerer and hitstun immunity?

[white minnow]

yeah

[wanton dawn]

I might lvl up my other class when i reach lvl 1k

Or drop the game

idk

[tall torrent]

I’ve been converted into helbore 2

Bayonet bullying ragers is just immaculate

[thorn yoke]

I'm moving from hellbore 2 to 1

better breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Does helbore 1 one tap flamers to the head

[plush dragon]

probs

with congruent fire

team cqc vets unite

[fast scaffold]

It's not a question of if it can, but more of a "how much do you have to commit" because 100% there are conditions where that is true

[tall torrent]

I find helbore 2 much more point efficient in builds

I can reach both gunner 1 tap headshot

[plush dragon]

assuming you're fighting dozens of creeps, you would propably one tap them as you'll be managing your perk/talent dps

[fast scaffold]

I like helbore 2 as well, I like it's BP/TTK and draw efficiency

[plush dragon]

i like the draw too

and it's aesthetic

[tall torrent]

And I get 2 melee weapons

One for horde, mauler & crushers

[fast scaffold]

Like if you want to go big stick, you go 3. If you want to have a reasonable ttk on most things while not having to pull out the big shlong, helbore 2 is the way

[tall torrent]

One for ragers and mutants

[tall torrent]

My issue with 3 is that I have to run shock trooper if I want any reasonable sustained fire

[fast scaffold]

or ammo econ, 2 is a very good sweetspot

[tall torrent]

2 doesn’t need shock trooper to get lots of shots out between reloads

And I still don’t need to charge shots for regular shooter 1 taps

[junior needle]

You don't explicitly run shocktrooper just for mag boosts

[nimble sentinel]

I burnt my fkn finger cooking some baller tikka masala and can no longer aim or block for the rest of the night, what build would you recommend without ever using the right mouse button?

[forest blaze]

Plasma 😂

You’ll just not do a charge shot

Which is nbd

[junior needle]

Must need a headshot and then some to get that, body shots with an uncharged 2 do like 1/3 of a regular shooters health

[vagrant dagger]

Rate the Helbore Fellas

[thorn yoke]

reason I like 1 is I can charged body shooters and be lazy about marksmanship

[tall torrent]

Ik, I still do charged shots mostly

[junior needle]

Behold, the brickening is at hand

[south garnet]

Lmao plasma and shovel

[terse idol]

Plasma gun with the magaziiiiine

[south garnet]

Boots with the fur, with the fur

[terse idol]

[vagrant dagger]

Got me Shovel

[junior needle]

2 plasma guns bricked, I love crafting in fatshark games!

[nimble sentinel]

I'm telling on Hadron for tech heresy

[half ginkgo]

mate, I feel ya. the only plasma i use was from melks. hadron bricked every last one of them

she literally put shattering iv on every. single. one. of. them.

[junior needle]

THREE, THREE BRICKED GUNS, AH AH AH

[lilac vigil]

do it again

[half ginkgo]

yes

[junior needle]

You asked for it

[south garnet]

This is depressing, please delete these

[junior needle]

Truly incredible that 3 of them got stamina

[half ginkgo]

and complimentary shattering

[south garnet]

[junior needle]

Every time it happens I feel more vindicated in my decision to never give fatshark money again

[south garnet]

All those large plasteels gone, like tears in the rain

[half ginkgo]

tho cynisist in me says that for plasma the base itself is more important. as long as you don't roll volatile just take it and reroll both perks

volatile is the only truly undesirable blessing

[south garnet]

Use this one, any closest to but not above 73% charge rate

That one is the best roll

Swap out volatile and stam

[junior needle]

Apparently they fixed the charge bullshit

[south garnet]

WHAT

[junior needle]

Saw some people talking about it in the chat

[south garnet]

Goddammit lmao

[half ginkgo]

really doubt that

[midnight mortar]

Since when? Yesterday?

Because this was from yesterday as I recall.

[half ginkgo]

and charged rate stat is a bit more involved than 73% charge or bust

hence why i doubt that bug is gonna get fixed for a long time

[neon briar]

does that even affect any relevant breakpoints these days

if it's just doing 50 less damage per shot on bosses then it's dumb to care

[forest blaze]

Rumor is that it was fixed

[half ginkgo]

with mid keystone? nope without it? I am 20 dmg short on gunner 1HS BP on Damna with +10% elite and 58% charge

[neon briar]

oh damn

[midnight mortar]

Considering Hotfix 1.2.12 was just three days ago, it is not.

[wanton dawn]

Between 73 and 74 charge you lose the equivalent of i think 17 dmg stats

[junior needle]

Huh, saw some people talking in the chat about how the damage wasn't changing anymore. Guess someone got their testing method wrong.

[lucid yew]

Anyone got any ideal Lucius helbore setups for the redacted heresy penance to kill like 5 highlighted targets with headshots

[midnight mortar]

Are you using a mk3?

Are you highlighting all ranged enemies?

It may be easier with a mk2 which has the fastest charge rate.

[half ginkgo]

if charge ever becomes fixed than it would mean it will be a semi-dump stat. makes Brunt's a bit more tollerable

[midnight mortar]

And you obviously should be highlighting all ranged enemies so you can headshot shooters instead of gunners. More targets that are weaker and easier to kill.

[south garnet]

So just get 80% charge rate then I guess

[lucid yew]

Do the basic scab shooters count because they get highlighted

[south garnet]

Pump those numbers

[wanton dawn]

Also the difference between 73 and 74 is higher than what you gain from fire team

[midnight mortar]

No, you'd still want 73%.

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[lucid yew]

I’ve found the mk2 and 3 to be the best options for usage of the bayonet and firing it

[wanton dawn]

80% is fine. 73% is the best though

[midnight mortar]

When the penance says "highlighted enemies", it means highlighted enemies.

[half ginkgo]

does it has to be helbore? i would say plasma will even work with its massive cleave and stance + highlight all ranged node

[lucid yew]

Oh sweet that’s so much easier

[lucid yew]

Helbore makes it optimal because of high headshot damage and high charged damage

[south garnet]

5 damage

[lucid yew]

Long range

It helps so much

[midnight mortar]

Or you could just use an MG XII and not need to charge it to 1 tap shooters in the head.

[half ginkgo]

which plasma both have and it can delete a pack of shooters with no fucks given about cover

[noble zinc]

You need to upgrade the blessings and perks to lvl4 before upgrading

It gives a far better chance at rolling lvl 4 perks & blessings

[crude wind]

looking forward to the day when I can run both the extra ammo talent and ping keystone in the same plasma build

[junior needle]

You're going to have to explain to me how you came to that conclusion

[noble zinc]

The higher the rating of the weapon you upgrade the better the rolls from consecrating

[half ginkgo]

same mate. same. demolition stockpile is too valuable

[noble zinc]

I've been consistently getting high rolls that way

[south garnet]

Afaik likelihood is just based on the base rating, and a higher percent chance on the latter upgrade rolls generally

[crude wind]

I have hope 🤞

[junior needle]

I assume you're thinking of the (as yet unconfirmed) notion that higher base modifiers (the stats) will give you better perks/blessings in the level 30 item range.

Even if that's the case, it likely has nothing to do at all with the total rating. You have a higher chance of getting t4 stuff when upgrading to yellow naturally, as confirmed by devs.

[noble zinc]

I've yet to roll any rank 3 blessings or perks when upgrading the weapon first. Could be luck, but it feels pretty damn consistent

[junior needle]

This is fatshark, I wouldn't put it past them to do something absolutely ridiculous like that

[south garnet]

Well, to be fair this can be worth doing even if it doesn't work. If you roll a lower tier blessing of one you want at a higher tier, replacing it with your secondary pick if you already have it at t4 is wise

[junior needle]

But at the same time changing your blue level stuff can also give you a worse outcome

[noble zinc]

Would need someone crazy enough to grind out a bunch of weapon upgrades in a row.

[junior needle]

Don't replace it with your second pick, replace it with something you don't want altogether, that way you have a higher chance of getting something you want while removing the worst/most common from the pool.

[lucid yew]

Ah yeah

I value being able to ADS imo

[south garnet]

If you're doing it purely to farm, sure, I was speaking in the mindset of trying to save a weapon for use

[junior needle]

That is to save the weapon for use. You're getting the best odds of a usable weapon and losing nothing because you can always change that slot.

[south garnet]

Fair

[whole moon]

Do any of the vets full face masks do funny voice things? Penance stuff

[solemn niche]

daily reminder that bayonet is really strong after patch 14 https://streamable.com/mefmhr

[celest vine]

Shhhhhj

Lucius is meta trust me bro

[thorn yoke]

I haven't checked since the buffs but shouldn't a kantrael IV be able to one tap shooters with head shots these days?

[fair jay]

This is why I fell in love with Helbore. That and how satisfying helbore charge shot is in general lol

What about helbore mk3 bayonet is it as good? It’s much slower

[inland orchid]

All the bayonets are alright to my knowledge

Used to be kinda meh but big patch changing things

[coarse wind]

If you sprint and hold the bayonet. You do extra damage.

Comes in clutch.

[sour prairie]

this man is soloing lobbys

[celest vine]

12 can do that too

1A can as well

[spark helm]

Oh. I see.

That's just funny.

[junior needle]

It appears to not be doing that

[fair jay]

You should see what it does to the heretic captain

[gusty bison]

Luci doesnt need charge to 1 tap shooters in head tho

[gusty bison]

It misses scab stalker without exec stance iirc

[pure chasm]

just showed up in my requisition shop

it's gonna brick

[brisk ruin]

I'll wait patiently for the final results

[lyric warren]

believe in the emperor

[thorn yoke]

believe in hadron

[pure chasm]

too poor rn no plasteel :(

[brisk ruin]

I'll wait very patiently then

[idle carbon]

this seems like a good pickup from melk? what would I change if it is? I've been looking for a good chainsword for ages now

[gusty sonnet]

Anyone knows if superiority complex only affects elites or did fatshark pull a fatshark and its actually elite and specials?

[junior needle]

That one should be elites only

But then again, I didn't test it

[vagrant dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-hurry-impatient-gif-22696825

[gusty sonnet]

Gotcha, thanks.

[obtuse dawn]

Rampage instead of rev it up

Flak or maniac instead of sprint efficiency

[vagrant dagger]

So, I gotta ask, Is the Power sword...kinda powerless, I feel like i did more with a Chainsword

[gusty sonnet]

You need power cycle for it to shine

[vagrant dagger]

I have never seen that before

[whole moon]

It's a pain to get

[vagrant dagger]

Any tests on what kind of power sword its likely to show up on?

[thorn yoke]

See. Back in the day, Power sword had 3 swings of charged attack, by default. Then one day the fire nation attacked Fatshark decided to remove the extra swings. Power Cycler gives your sword 2 extra swings at rank IV. So it puts power sword back to where it was, way back. Sorta.

[sour prairie]

w

[vagrant dagger]

I knew it felt Different, i just couldnt remember why

One day ill go for it

me last 2

[whole moon]

I managed to get mine yesterday and without cheesing it

I feel like a proper soldier now

[gusty sonnet]

Maybe I'll do On overwatch for the drip, Flawless Exec is e-penis only though, so no point IMO

[wanton dawn]

It is still pretty good with the right build

[vagrant dagger]

That do be a sexy clip

https://tenor.com/view/behold-the-mighty-weapon-roboto-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-the-forge-at-the-forest-of-forever-behold-the-mighty-sword-gif-24731809

One day ill get it

Whats the base Hoard clear PS?

[thorn yoke]

I am biased against chainsword vets. Like I know it's ostensibly a good weapon but 4/5 times I'll turn around and see a vet struggling with a poxwalker horde if they have chainsword

Both power swords clear hordes well. I think most people favor the VI and do charge > light melee 2x >repeat

[whole moon]

Very impressive!

[modern dome]

shovel is where its at

[whole moon]

Only running shovel on the Ogryn at the mo, is Vet shovel decent?

[gusty sonnet]

shovel is where its at hard to get a good one

[thorn yoke]

the Mk III power swords have horizontal heavy attacks and diagonal light attacks. the Mk IV VI power sword has horizontal light attacks and diagonal heavy attacks. That's pretty much the main difference afaik

[gusty sonnet]

power sword MKIV leak ?!!!!

[modern dome]

Its an alright all-rounder, and the thonk is so hilarious

[thorn yoke]

sorry VI

[modern dome]

true, but also my exceptionally generic unoptomized shovel still fun to use

inherently its a nice weapon

has an answer to everything except for crushers/maulers, to which i use nades and bolter

[vagrant dagger]

Coudlnt get behind the Shovel. too...low tech? for me

[gusty sonnet]

nice, I'll try one once I get a decent roll

[modern dome]

totally understandable, i was the same until i got the vet achievement helm with the mask, now im just in it for the drip

[whole moon]

Don't overlook the Rashad with the same mentality

[modern dome]

honestly above all else, its just fun to use since it has fucken amazing horde management and with its special attack and push overhead, it feels like you can make your own custom combos that are fast and feel nice

like i do special to stagger, push to knock down then overhead to finish them off and it feels cool as fuck, rather than just like auto auto

aure a powersword coulda oneshotted but now i feel like john wick so whos really winning

fun>stats imo

also shovel attack chains are super generic so theres no swinging waiting for the third hit in a chain or smth

[vague hull]

flechette pog

[junior needle]

Shovel works fine now. Didn't feel like it was killy enough on melee chaffe for my liking, used one with thrust/decimator.

[modern dome]

its definitely slow to kill, i will give it that

[junior needle]

Seemed to have good dodges, which was nice.

[modern dome]

but the versatility and incredible stagger is nice too

prepare to poop your pants when flak ragers come though lol

[gusty sonnet]

Wait, isn't flechette kantrael shotty kinda nut on crit psyker/zealot?

[vague hull]

don't think psyker can use shotguns

[keen sedge]

guys guys what blessing should i use on power sword

[vague hull]

also that's on my vet

but well i guess I can still get decent crit on vet

[keen sedge]

[junior needle]

cycler 4 and either brutal or sunder

[keen sedge]

brutal momentum?

[junior needle]

Sunder lets you hit more targets and your swings can go through crushers and bulwarks, brutal lets you get first target damage on multiple targets for better clear

[junior needle]

yes

So with brutal you could kill like 4+ bruisers in a swing, whereas normally you'd get significantly reduced damage past the first.

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah but you gotta aim for the crit benefit, so means ADSing between each realod of speacial spam, DPS should be worse than zealot, but that's still very good DPS I guess

[keen sedge]

i like how my power sword has everything needed for a good chainsword

[junior needle]

Cycler and sunder are hard to find so keep an eye on melks

I don't think the psword is worth using without cycler, personally

[keen sedge]

what does dunder do

[junior needle]

see

[keen sedge]

oh

[vague hull]

it's pretty nice

[junior needle]

Big improvement on your ability to hit many things in a mixed horde

[vague hull]

but yea

it's nice

[hollow turtle]

I'd like to really study the BoN and mutant behaviors. They just know where to spit/throw you to cause the most inconvenience.

I just got spit out in front of the sniper execution squad

[junior needle]

I found the ttk to be way too long if you're trying to use the special shells for elites/specials

[keen sedge]

which power sword is better?

[thorn yoke]

Preference. VI is favored by most I think

[keen sedge]

actually, which one looks cooler

[junior needle]

People generally consider the 6 to be better but there's ups and downs for both

[keen sedge]

WHICH POWER SWORD LOOKS COOLER

[junior needle]

Personal preference

[hollow turtle]

The one that you use weaponcustomization with.

[keen sedge]

me when mods cause my game to go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and lag

[junior needle]

They shouldn't

[keen sedge]

first sword, yay or nay?

[signal mango]

Nothing before level 30 matters.

[keen sedge]

also uh, opinions?

[junior needle]

stopping power too low, also consult the charge rate chart for the charge rate bullshit the plasma gun has

[signal mango]

Definitely gonna need survivalist perk

[keen sedge]

I LOVE GAMBLING

[keen sedge]

like i dont use it already

what about this one?

im not too concerned about the ammo since survivalist plus ammo drops

[tall torrent]

I have acquired peak helbore 2
What do I swap stamina to? Maniac?

[keen sedge]

maniac or caparace

[tall torrent]

What breakpoints do maniac give

[keen sedge]

SIR MELK AINT NO WAY

RAMPAGE AND SAVAGE SWEEP

[dusk idol]

do you have t4 savage alr?

[signal mango]

What is new 'Volley fire'?

• I'm using Voice of Command
• Do I have to use Executioner's Stance to gain a penance?

[keen sedge]

also should i get this for surgical?

[keen sedge]

no, just tier 3

[dusk idol]

you should be able to use volley fire (upgraded exec stance in left tree) for the penance now

[tall torrent]

You’re low on melk coins so I’d say pass unless u already have a godroll mk2

[dusk idol]

might as well sweep it up and get it

[tall torrent]

“Executioner’s Stance” (left ability)

[marble lintel]

whats the dump stat on plasma gun?

[dusk idol]

ammo

[quick burrow]

why oh why cant i use auto guns the recoil is crazy

[gusty sonnet]

Thermal res

[dusk idol]

and ther res

[signal mango]

Do I have to use Executioner's Stance?
wouldn't any 'f' key work?

[keen sedge]

my dogshit mk2 being considered by best gun real

[dusk idol]

no

[tall torrent]

Oof, I would pass then

[gusty sonnet]

Yes

[dusk idol]

to clarify

no, not any ability will just work

yes you need to use exec stance

[signal mango]

thank you all

[keen sedge]

But should I get it for surgical incase I get a good mk2?

[vague hull]

technically should guarentee a crit

at 3 stacks

[dusk idol]

pretty sure surgical will carry through for all your hellbores, so if you ain’t got it

get it

[keen sedge]

should i use it on this helborne i got?

[dusk idol]

upgrade it first and see where your perks and blessings land

[balmy terrace]

Is that a flat +33% or +33% of your current crit chance? Because the latter would not guarantee a crit

[dusk idol]

but that hellbore should do just fine

[gusty sonnet]

Nice, but typically you need to shoot more than one shot for (mixed) hordes (I think ?) and for HVT kantrael special is mediocre anyway

[dusk idol]

currently, it’s 100% crit at any stack

because it does not work as intended

[vague hull]

It also seems like bleed and burn glitch out

[balmy terrace]

lol

[vague hull]

one overtakes the other

[keen sedge]

back on the mf plasteel grind

[vague hull]

usually bleed

[balmy terrace]

classic darktide

[dusk idol]

otherwise, it would be a flat increase if it worked properly (I believe)

[gusty sonnet]

Fatshark moment

[dusk idol]

though, I really don’t get the point of 330% crit chance

[vague hull]

don't have that warframe mindset huh?

[keen sedge]

should i first upgrade my plasma gun or my helborne?

[dusk idol]

red crits lmao

[vague hull]

red crits

[dusk idol]

plasma is more versatile and overall more powerful

[keen sedge]

also should i dump this old gun for shattering impact?

[dusk idol]

so get your plasma up and have a solid weapon to grind your hellbore after

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is a bigger dps boost imo

[tall torrent]

I’d harvest glory hunter
Shattering impact on plasma is pretty meh

[keen sedge]

roger

[vague hull]

would it be a meme to run both of the unique tier 2 blessings on shotgun at the same time

[dusk idol]

did the hellbore have onslaught on it?

[vague hull]

they both trigger on crit

[dusk idol]

just double checked, it was surgical 4 and infernus 3 or smn

[keen sedge]

what about gets hot?

[dusk idol]

what level is your vet?

[keen sedge]

30

[dusk idol]

I had to ask

the only time I see t2 perks is when I’m levelling since brunt always offers ass in his shop

on the plasma your ideals are gets hot and blaze away, with places for blessings like glory hunter and volatile

depending on your build and your gun stat distribution

[tall torrent]

Harley mentioned surgical IV from melk which costed 2.3k when they had only 3.2k

[keen sedge]

so should i surrender it just incase i dont get the blessing?

and use it on a better plasma gun

[tall torrent]

Which I think isn’t that great of a deal because helbore blessings aren’t that hard to unlock

[dusk idol]

yeah you can

[tall torrent]

You only have 6 available after all

[valid bluff]

This worth picking up?

Or do you really want dum dum on it?

[dusk idol]

when you’re blessing hunting for weapons with no T4’s, anything is good

[bold sierra]

Yes actually

[tall torrent]

Dum dum is just the strongest

[dusk idol]

unless it’s smack down

[bold sierra]

As ive said before dumdum > fire frenzy

[dusk idol]

dog tier blessing

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah, slap flak maniac and call it a day

[tall torrent]

This is usable

[valid bluff]

I guess the question is will the maniac roll matter more than dum dum? This is my current one

[tall torrent]

Which skin is that IAG

[valid bluff]

weapon customization

[leaden musk]

Slap a holographic on that bad boy

[silk nexus]

i feel you, i couldnt spend my 8000 diamantine even if i wanted to because of the plasteel shortage

[tall torrent]

Ah ok

[bold sierra]

fire frenzy locked

[leaden musk]

Lord have mercy

[valid bluff]

Day 4 of searching for scrusher for my shovel

[bold sierra]

Thats an axe not a shovel

[silk nexus]

hold the phone

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike is a must have

[bold sierra]

[silk nexus]

where did that skin come from

[bold sierra]

Mod

[silk nexus]

ahhhh

[hollow turtle]

I died 3 times but I'm glad I still did my job.

[bright ocean]

I don't get pissed off during a match very often. Once in a blue moon, but holy fucking hell some people. Today was that day.

[silk nexus]

here's what i pray for; Imperial Navy Breacher skin, with either the new two handed axe thats coming or the existing achylus/rashad + either a shotgun skin or the shotgun w/ endurant shield

i have given up on vostroyans

time for a name change

[valid bluff]

Didn't even realize I still have an open swap on this

Ghost ideal or is infern dumdum better?

[silk nexus]

im prejudiced against ghost but at level 4 thats actually not half bad

id probably prefer it on a kantrael though over a laspistol

[tall torrent]

Swap Infernus to dum dum

Infernus is pretty bad unless you’re running onslaught (talent)

[valid bluff]

Gotcha

On the other hand, I'm a sucker for infernus even if it isn't amazing on its own because I like dots. And infernus stacking Dum Dum and keeping it stacked can lead to some silly mostrosity damage I have found

[tall torrent]

You still need deadshot to proc it and Infernus damage is very meh unless onslaught is there to stack brittleness along DoT ticks

[hollow turtle]

I kept this as a blue forever. Decided why not upgrade it. That's really not bad at all.
What would I change that perk and blessing to?

[tall torrent]

Poxer -> Flak
Raking fire -> fire frenzy/deathspitter/raking fire

Raking fire needs stealth build to work which is ehhh idk

[delicate estuary]

@nimble sentinel asked a couple people more experienced with me and they also have confirmed that the marksman focus rending node is indeed non functional

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter and fire frenzy are pretty reliable (you can maintain 2 stacks of them pretty well)

[hollow turtle]

I am a stealth build, but I rarely ever break stealth just to hit things in the back. Fire Frenzy it is.

Honestly, this is my first ever Graia IAG I'm keeping. Never used one before.

[fleet garden]

columnus mk5 is the shit

[tall torrent]

Graia is the awkward middle child but it has the lowest recoil

Which is validly useful at longer ranges

[fleet garden]

get raking fire/dum dum/fire frenzy and its go time

[dusk idol]

it’s not a real bolter

[quick burrow]

i was having trouble using it

[dusk idol]

it’s an ork gun the mechanicus cobbled together and said good enough with

[serene sage]

Maybe it was a limbshot

[quick burrow]

but now i seem to be doing okay the initial shot has alot of jump then it smooths out

[dusk idol]

bolter just has bad performance against infested

[serene sage]

That, too

[dusk idol]

they obviously wanted to balance the gun somehow but making it bad against any armour type didn’t really make sense

[sharp ember]

ill omen for when we start getting attacked by plaguebearer daemons

[dusk idol]

so they just said eh fuck it, infested

it does have some pretty clear drawbacks compared to its competitors, but it still feels alright

I feel as if it could feel a smidge better

[vagrant dagger]

This fucks but im not sure how i should refine it

[dusk idol]

tbh it feels half as strong as it used to, but for me that’s due to pinning fire nerf + bolter power buff. people have made some interesting crit builds on it but

pinning fire shattering impact bolter feels outdone by plasma and revolver

[dusk idol]

I wouldn’t know where to start, I would wanna swap out three things in your perks/blessings

[hollow turtle]

What a trainwreck. Thanks Hadron.

[keen sedge]

AYOOO

SOMEONE TELL ME

HOW RARE THIS IS

[serene sage]

Rare

[stuck bridge]

Nice find

[hollow turtle]

Let me know when you find a +17 toughness

I haven't seen one of those in a long time.

[terse idol]

I need

2+ wounds curio

[terse idol]

The legend

[feral lake]

Anyone got some good shit for a speedy build

[zealous wyvern]

found the new class

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[terse idol]

Someone fucked with the cloning vats abit

[feral lake]

Well they are suspected to be be clones and there is beast men

[terse idol]

🤏

Tiny bit

[desert hawk]

Yes Inquisitor, this one right here.

[zealous wyvern]

the artist is actually skilled

i thought i found nothing and then this popped up out of nowhere

the only art of centaur korps out there

[strange ledge]

Doesn't exist

[terse idol]

Really?
Cause I heard it does, only on 80 mod wounds

[swift thistle]

Max mobility knife + revive talent + inflitrate means you can run faster than full speed build zealot to revive a teammate

You can be combat medic

There is no better feeling than going sonic speed and reviving the knife zealot who dashed ahead and then running back to pick up the ogryn in the span of like 10 seconds

Also if you are ballsy you can run 3 +3 stamina’s to pick somebody up even while being hit by the entirety of a horde

[next spade]

what does the power sword activation actually do?

[fleet garden]

power cycler 4 = three swings of good dmg

[swift thistle]

Increases damage, cleave, cleave target cap, and I believe penetration although I have never tested that

[next spade]

also 3 swings without the perk?

[swift thistle]

No only one swing

Without powercycle

[fleet garden]

has to be power cycler 4 to feel good, feels mediocre without it

[strange ledge]

Where is the participation award for chaxe

[opal loom]

Dueling sword 4? I hear people talking about the 5 but not the 4.

[vivid bolt]

Chain Axe number 1, beats auric maelstrom

[opal loom]

Power sword 3 is the one with the best swing animations right? Mostly horizontal?

[vivid bolt]

i

ok so

myself

cask

and dawn

spent

[opal loom]

oh, 6 is better?

[vivid bolt]

like a whole hour

beating auric maelstrom on zealot

with cask using like

the worst build imaginable

but

IT CAN WORK

mhm

but ok so from reading chat

i want

PS 6 w/ Power Cycle and BM?

i want. two handed. chain axe.

i wanna be able to use mauler axe.

[sharp ember]

you take that back about chainsword

it's psword that's broken past the ceiling, again

[opal loom]

combat axe is too OP, we need weaker weapons like the power sword to make the game challenging.

[vivid bolt]

the pain of levelling vet with a no blessing power sword

yea theres a rashad build

on zealot

that deals basically as much damage as a hammer

20k damage to bosses

shouldnt say dps

zealot chat has rediscovered it

i gotta experiment with it sometime

[trail ginkgo]

what should i go for curios? health or toughness

[vivid bolt]

2x tough, 1x health is my go to

but 3x tough also works

[sharp ember]

a mixture yeah, unless you have a specific gameplan

[little fog]

Due to all of the toughness regen skills you've got.

[sharp ember]

I'm a 1x stamina and 2x toughness

[azure zephyr]

Won't lie I was a Kantrael 12 simp for a while now, especially back when the Lucius' iron sights sucked ass.

If you know, you know.

But now that the Lucius' iron sights are actually kinda good I just find myself using it since the pings it makes causes my autism brain to release happy chemicals.

And the bayonet...

I LOVE IT

[sharp ember]

kantrael bayonet WHERE

don't need this damned flashlight

[pine snow]

btw what's the best attack pattern with psword 6

im doing heavy light light

[next spade]

6 feels so much better than 3

[forest blaze]

Push stab vs biggies
Swipies Vs smollies

[pine snow]

no heavies?

[swift thistle]

All +3 stamina

[fleet garden]

3 lights powered up

or if you want to lunge when you dodge backwards you can do a heavy

push stab vs crushers

the 3 lights is if you have pc4

[swift thistle]

Mk6 is a kinda finesse based weapon, if you reaaaally want to heavy attack, mk3 would be, in my opinion, a little better, but thats just for clearing chaff, and the director knows that you cant win just by clearing hordes

So they will send the angry bois in which are basically immune to stagger

[pine snow]

aight back to light spam then i guess

[celest vine]

Finally

All redacted penances done

[pine snow]

dayum

psyker ones just are pain

[celest vine]

I had more trouble with zealot and vet

Warp battery sucked

The 300 seconds at full charge

[swift thistle]

I have every one of those done except for mallaius monstrum because for some idiotic reason they locked it behind a private match

[celest vine]

But assail spam on shock troop gauntlet

[celest vine]

My friend was a shield ogryn

Pissed off a daemonhost and I bursted it

[pine snow]

i feel l ike vet's werent that bad

[young sequoia]

how'd you do that push 7 people off ledge one?

[pine snow]

aside from dont take melee

[dusk idol]

vets are easy

most penances are just annoying, or something that happens just randomly

[lime gyro]

Lol try doing the no damage penance back when the chip damage first got introduced

[swift thistle]

The one where you data interrogate on the center of that area, on the bridges that get you to the little interrogation area, you can push people off easy

Thats how I got the hit a fuck ton of enemies in one bull rush too

[lime gyro]

Real chads remember the first chip damage days

[swift thistle]

They line up like bowling pins

[pine snow]

did u use shout to push?

[tall torrent]

I have acquired peak

[celest vine]

Force sword

No the uh staff

With the impact staff

[young sequoia]

trauma?

[celest vine]

Yes

[young sequoia]

nice

thx

[swift thistle]

You mean psychinetic scream? Yes.

[young sequoia]

can't seem to knock people off with shout, they're just getting staggered

[brisk ruin]

Warp Battery is a huge pain now

[swift thistle]

Thats weird, keep in mind I did this before patch #13

[pine snow]

so do i have to hold 100% for it? (warp battery)

[swift thistle]

It might be a perk

[brisk ruin]

Warp battery was not designed for a brain burst that only gives stacks on elite kills

[swift thistle]

I believe that only effects # of soulblaze stacks, but honestly, psyker is my least played class

Or amount of damage for one of the genuinely worst point options in the game

Like would you like something that will kill everything in front of you or something that will tickle them

[fleet garden]

has to heal the mobs

otherwise its not fair smh

[celest vine]

Warp charge keystone

Spam assail

On shock troop gauntlet

Get the upgrade that guarantees a charge on elite or specialist kill

[austere blade]

It already is guaranteed on Elite and Specialist kills

[raw steppe]

Yep

And assail is not the right build for it

[pastel geode]

I just heard my buddy in army logistics call 40mm “Spicy Butt Plugs”

[raw steppe]

BB build with shout is more suited for holding WC longer

[pastel geode]

@hard briar

[hard briar]

lmao

[pure chasm]

fire trauma staff with bb and fire shout is really good at keeping stacks

[bold sierra]

never messed with the MK 9

[pure chasm]

especially on high intensity shock troop gauntlet

[bold sierra]

anyone have experience w it ?

[light locust]

No

[trim hemlock]

It... shots twice for medium damage

That's about it.

[bold sierra]

yeah I just

Two round burst

wtf

its recoil seems to be more horizontal than vertical

I like that

[trim hemlock]

It's been a while since the last time I played this thing in... March, I think?

[pure chasm]

i dont like the gun personally
bigger fan of both vraks

[trim hemlock]

I personally just prefer Vraks 3, but I may be biased due to a godroll that I have on it

[light locust]

I use either the MK I Hellbore or the MK Ia Infantry lasgun

I focus on killing the ranged enemies

[bold sierra]

majority of the time I've been using this

could use more stability but it does work

do wish i had flak armored on it though

[light locust]

What is ‘Ranged Finesse Power’?

[bold sierra]

Crit mods

[swift thistle]

Headshot bonus

[white minnow]

both

[light locust]

Ok. I got that perk and its usually max stacks when I start shooting

I clear out ranged enemies pretty fast if the Ogryn in my strike team doesn’t walk in front of my barrel

[feral lake]

That’s pretty much what I got now

[swift thistle]

Than you are speed

We are all speed

Speed and death

[feral lake]

I have speed and bleed

[swift thistle]

Speed and bleed is fun

[light locust]

Why does no one use the Krak grenade?

[feral lake]

I do

Love that grenade pops crushers like nothing

[south garnet]

If they said 5 was the goat, what they meant was 4, unironically

[light locust]

I don’t really like using the damage modifiers that are based on being at least 8m from the enemy. Prefer to stick within the aura range of my strike team for the bonuses

[south garnet]

Mk 4 is so far ahead of other sabers it might as well be the only one atm

[light locust]

I might go back to the krak grenade line

[feral lake]

I have the krak and stealth line

[light locust]

Does the krak still have an AoE?

[wise quest]

barely

[feral lake]

I think so

[south garnet]

Because krak is boring

Shredders make people fly around funny and get all goopy

[feral lake]

I kinda wanna go back to shredder cause I get massive crits for bleed status

[swift thistle]

I don’t have enough points for krak

[atomic zephyr]

I pair the shredder nades with a plasma gun and chainsword

[swift thistle]

Those are two points I don’t have

[atomic zephyr]

nothing I can’t kill with that loadout

[light locust]

Been using a tactical axe I bought from the legendary vendor

It stacks crits and damage every swing and has pen for armored dudes

[atomic zephyr]

tac axes are slept on, I haven’t tried mine since the brumomentum rework

[light locust]

They work well against the scabs

Power sword requires the special to be activated to stagger flak armored scabs

I like my weapons simple

[swift thistle]

Never a fan of the tac axes, just feel like a in-between a knife and a combat axe but since they are separate niches, it just feels weak when you do to things equally worse

[south garnet]

Tac axe more like fat ass, which is something you won't have because of how fast you'll be zipping around killing stuff!

LMAO!

[swift thistle]

If I want to speed, knife is the answer

[light locust]

My build is focused on taking out all the ranged spawns. I need the attack speed for trash hordes and the pen for flak armored dudes

[swift thistle]

If you want horde clear and single target, use combat axe

[light locust]

Otherwise I am not fighting with melee

[swift thistle]

I mean, all melee weapons are good, it’s all preference right now

Except for chainaxe

I feel bad for chainaxe users

[next spade]

guys always specc ammo aura, the others are garbage
ammo aura is the best talent point and best advantage of the entire class

[sharp ember]

don't worry comrade

my 5% movement aura will make us finish the mission 5% faster

[next spade]

also now that I think about it, its not only near infinite ammo for the entire team but you also will get almost all the ammo pickups since nobody else needs a lot of pickups

[swift thistle]

I DON’T HAVE THE EMPERORDAMN POINTS

I want infinite revolver ammo

But I cannot get that and the mandatory 6 second reduce on elite kill

[next spade]

25% ammo is one talent point on very bottom
the aura is like 100% ammo for 4 players, and probably 100-200% more ammo pickups for you

[elder vessel]

Has anyone ever noticed the sprint animation for the helbore?

Literally bayonet charging

[civic knot]

when does the premium shop update? isnt it today?

[swift thistle]

Next week apparently

Or maybe not

Probably

[slender turtle]

next week

[pure chasm]

i cant reach it either bc im taking weapons specialist 🫡

[swift thistle]

I took the sacrifice and went full left in order to do it

It is worth it

They can just find their own ammo

[pure chasm]

i cant give up weapons specialist and revolver

love it too much

[swift thistle]

Sorry I meant to say full right

[pure chasm]

real and true

[bold sierra]

so I saw a convo about this awhile ago, what exactly does this do?

Is this 3.5% more toughness on kills that give toughness already

or is it 3.5% toughness on kills

[swift thistle]

Instead of getting 2.0% toughness, you get 5.5%

I hope

[pure chasm]

i asked about this like yesterday and people were testing it
apparently it's literally just +3.5% toughess on kill

[bold sierra]

isn't that uh

[pure chasm]

they were getting toughness back on gun kills with no other points invested in the tree

[bold sierra]

really good

[swift thistle]

Because if not then oh sure I do love 2.1% toughness back

[pure chasm]

yeah i think it's incredible

[humble meteor]

wait thats insane

[swift thistle]

Yes, basically essentially for melee vet

[valid bluff]

What your guys most durable vet build?

[pure chasm]

oh wait it was 3 days ago i lost track of time xddd #veteran-class message

[swift thistle]

Iron will, confirmed kill, and the other one that regens toughness

It is the one that does it on headshots

You can get a significant amount of toughness dmg reduction

[pure chasm]

#veteran-class message

[swift thistle]

Iron will is a must pick, well if I had enough points to choose it

[pure chasm]

ill say
earlier today i cleaved a crowd with a heavy attack and got almost all of my toughness bar back

i went from like 10% toughness to 90% toughness

it seems out for blood goes crazy

[swift thistle]

I mean, if one is out for blood, why wouldn’t they be crazy?

[pure chasm]

real

[wheat violet]

Blood for the emperor! Skulls for golden throne!

[hallow gazelle]

i just hit level 30, hows this look?

[sharp ember]

would probably change perks to Flak + Maniac and call it a day, I can work with those blessings

[hallow gazelle]

i've been meaning to change one to reload

[swift thistle]

You can probably get a better weapon stats-wise. So I wouldn’t get too attached to the weapon

[trim hemlock]

Why? Reload speed is basically never better than a perk that grants you increased damage potential against certain armour types

[sharp ember]

i'd argue killing two important armor types faster with less bullets would be more useful

vs. shaving off not even half of a second off your reload time, which you usually can perform while you're safe or in cover

[languid rose]

Gentlemen, should I?
https://puu.sh/JVaig/e5382ec24e.png

[sharp ember]

stacking reload certainly isn't additive

that's the first i've heard about this time between reload stage stuff anyway

[valid bluff]

I'm thinking about an a tree like this with a boltor and a shovel

[fathom edge]

i should probably pick this up right?

havent touched shovels, theyre pretty good now right?

[languid rose]

there's also a Chainsord with Bloodthirsty IV on Melkstopre, never seen that perk, is it good?

[valid bluff]

Shovel feels great from my short time using it

[vagrant dagger]

I be Drippin

[queen quiver]

40k gimp

[sharp ember]

that'd be zealots

[hollow linden]

what should I do with this bad boy? maybe sustained to onslaught and ranged weakspot to flak?

[sharp ember]

sustained to onslaught, weakspot to maniac