veteran-class

[placid portal]

zamn

[delicate estuary]

I did ask for exe stance so not sure why you suggest I use broken stealth

[wet moon]

because they werent nearly as much of a threat as the CIA told the president they were

[wet moon]

because it kinda sucks as a exe stance gun

[pearl sapphire]

Honestly I don’t even think ES is worth it, personally, as a VoC advocate

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/Hb06kgKpcBQ?si=NRc2BNcu3sWoiXFo

[wet moon]

ES is great on a lot of guns like bolter and agrapinaa infantry. VoC is way fun with spray n pray guns like agra braced or columnus infantry etc

[delicate estuary]

VoC too boring to use and too stupid balance wise so I dont usually opt out for it unless I want to turn off my brain

[pearl sapphire]

Fair, didn’t they have entire squadrons of planes made of pure wood until a little bit after WWII

[wet moon]

and only 3 nukes, as opposed to the "hundreds" the CIA said they did in order to spark an arms race

[pearl sapphire]

I just use it to get a quick temporary horde clear to pop a sniper or ranged guy

[wet moon]

mfw intelligence agency flat out lies to the head of state

[pearl sapphire]

Man, fuck any 3 letter agency

[wet moon]

yeah no if the U2 spy plane was in any way successful the US woulve realized the soviets werent investing in what made a nation truly powerful and were really NOT an international threat

[pearl sapphire]

Including the atf, others may disagree, but it’s really the most expensive “anti”-terrorist organization that’s never stopped an act of terrorism

[wet moon]

the govt and agencies just used the cold war red scare to enact all sorts of other foreign and domestic policies and attack its own citizens

much like post 9/11 america

you start to see a pattern emerge

[pearl sapphire]

Bro….. most open minded president after he visited Dallas

[nimble sentinel]

counter argument: Lincoln

[pearl sapphire]

Ok, I feel like we need to get back to darktide veteran

[wet moon]

mafia gets you into governorship
become president
try to disband CIA and eliminate mafia
mfw

[placid portal]

oh god, I didn't know latest Weapon customization mod also makes shop weapons random modifications

[pearl sapphire]

Lincoln got popped with a pistol, if you aren’t bulletproof to them already, you deserve it

[placid portal]

XPPPP

[pearl sapphire]

As a console player, give me the mods ples

[placid portal]

lol

[pearl sapphire]

I hate some of the in game sights

[placid portal]

your aim is from the empra

[wet moon]

cucked

[placid portal]

Empra guides your bullets

[pearl sapphire]

Yes

[pearl sapphire]

Ogryn, sound it out for me, it’s Imp-er-or

[placid portal]

Em-Pra

[sour elbow]

big E

[nimble sentinel]

you're both wrong it's Big E-money

[pearl sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-gif-26958961

[placid portal]

[empty heron]

[delicate estuary]

ayo brunt being a homie for once

perfect roll mk12

well "perfect"

[trim hemlock]

It’s good enough

[delicate estuary]

thanks hadron

into the trash you go

[trim hemlock]

Well, it could be better, but it certainly is not fully garbage

unless you have something more decent already

[delicate estuary]

both blessings are fucked

[trim hemlock]

I was working on a PS upgrade today

This is the end result

[strange grove]

here is mine

[trim hemlock]

No BM4 - I can't roll this thing

[fallen hamlet]

does anone know how good, c hink in thier armor is for the mg12?

does it make it better vs crushers?

[trim hemlock]

10% rending is not a lot

I wouldn't run it

Just bring a melee weapon/kraks to deal with Carapace/Maulers/what have you

[fallen hamlet]

ok thnks

[delicate estuary]

its good

[trim hemlock]

MG12 is just not a weapon that you can reliably kill Carapce with - 10% rending doesn't change much in that regard

[delicate estuary]

10% rending is about 200 more damage

on crit headshots for crushers

go into psychanium and test it

[trim hemlock]

For that matter further, MG12 is not a weapon that really needs the Marksman keystone to perform. It ends up being overkill at some point.

[strange grove]

what are the goto blessings for bolter again? pinning fire and what?

[quick burrow]

Surgical strike for elite kills is good imo

[trim hemlock]

Surgical, if you like sniping

[strange grove]

ok ty

[trim hemlock]

Otherwise Shattering Impact to get some more leverage against Carapace

[sick marsh]

so is this any good? saw it, the power score is quite high.

[trim hemlock]

And if you’re feeling adventurous, Cavalcade will give you some more potential Unyielding DPS

[strange grove]

looks ok I guess

[trim hemlock]

Solid. I’d pick Maniac over Carapace personally, but see if the lack of it does anything for you first

[delicate estuary]

ye maniac will be more reliable

can always magdump stagger crusher ram ranches

and team will usually kill them by the time you finish reloading

[trim hemlock]

The weapon in general, or that particular item?

[strange grove]

good point ill grab maniac

[sick marsh]

the particular item.

[trim hemlock]

The modifier distribution is decent, but I don’t know if you need Unarmoured as a perk - it seems unnecessary, but that’s just a perk, it’s hard to evaluate a weapon without higher rarities

[sick marsh]

it's just an armoury one.

[trim hemlock]

I am well aware. Overall, if you like shotguns, Kantrael is probably the most flexible of the three

[sick marsh]

yeah...

[karmic musk]

What the.. spawned into the start of a match where it was already half cleared by a team of 2 but they died and respawned back at the very start of the map. Tzeentch is fking with me

[junior needle]

Hello fellow veterans! Quick question: what's the main difference and which one would you choose:
Accatran Mk II or MKVId ?

[untold mulch]

VId, is the best
The Accatrans are still trash though

VId shoots a lot faster

has a bit worse armor interaction, but the II kills so slowly that you are just karking yourself

Use Onslaught as a talent, and probably maybe left keystone?

[junior needle]

thanks, u know what. I am tired of using plasma and with all these nerfs its hard to fall in love with some gun. I was using Kantarel MKXII for such a long time, moved to bolter. plasma and now I am trying this Accatran.

[untold mulch]

Sadly Accatran are terrible, Fatshark just refuses to fix them

[junior needle]

i have Headhunter and infernus tier 4 both. its doing a lot of dmg, OFC if we will be 3 vets in a squad with some ammo hungr setup I am F'ed 😄

[untold mulch]

Yep

Ammo spawns are better this last patch

so its less a pain

but still not good

[junior needle]

yes I agree. and its nice to shot frome time to time, since I am running Zealot with an axe now .

[slow spade]

The state of recons

[chilly sandal]

should i replace sunder with brutal momentum?

[whole moon]

Oof

[slow spade]

In like 99% of situations, yes

[sharp ember]

om nom nom nom ammo

[chilly sandal]

aight

[untold mulch]

Least ammo hungry Recon user

They could just increase ammo by 30-50% by default

as a patchwork meanwhile

but noooo

[slow spade]

I always thought people were memeing when they said Recon was "usable"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1175081395270467704/2023-11-04_20-55-20.mp4?ex=6569eed4&is=655779d4&hm=384c5d35108af5b75129c31e5ee6545fe1c2e84e4a897d33efb238a688330671&

But they really look at that dps and say "yeah that's fine"

[untold mulch]

Damn, thats a 100% damage roll?

how fast

tbf it has shit modifier vs maniac

but still, its a terrible weapon line

[slow spade]

Its not less than 100% though

So that's roughly what you're working with lol

[untold mulch]

lmao

[slow spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174883219854864454/2023-11-16_20-23-26.mp4?ex=65693643&is=6556c143&hm=fb28b42001674b5950332e23d728cc91eb89eaafefbfb37bb40e60c9f9f9bfde&

Meanwhile

[untold mulch]

There is no reason to use recon

I am thinking of seeing how someone substituted "bullets" with the las effect

[slow spade]

Indeed not even for dakka reason when the Columbus and braced autos exist

[untold mulch]

and go with brauto and mentally rp as a poor man hellgun

[slow spade]

There's custom mods out there to change weapon effects

Though idk if there's one with the autoguns

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I will hcheck later

[untold mulch]

Someone in one of the channels did it with a brauto

changed all the upper receiver to look like a lucius

and was shooting "las"

[slow spade]

Yeah saw a psyker with a custom flame on a purg staff too

[slow spade]

Indeed

[untold mulch]

Mhmm, I will do it after

Recon is shit, laspistol is not the same

and I hate MG recoil + Mauler performance

[vestal sinew]

is anyone running helbore specialist mind sharing their build?

[tropic imp]

I think specialist is the worst keystone for helbore

[fallen hamlet]

i want to experiment with the recon lasgun any tips?

[vestal sinew]

im looking for the meme bayonet setup

[tropic imp]

Now I'm interested in that too

[whole moon]

My advice would be to make do w a laspistol until they fix em :/ sorry

[vestal sinew]

i just saw one guy in my game just fkin spear hordes to death

[frank ether]

are you sure he had weapon specialist

[vestal sinew]

shuld have been

[empty heron]

Tip: Dont. Go with infantry lasgun og laspistol

[frank ether]

all you need is brutal momentum and agile engagement

[vestal sinew]

oh is it?

[thick rose]

which shotgun do I want to use for "make every shot count" ?

I havent used a shotgun since beta maybe XD

[slow spade]

Look at the videos above, recon is not going to vibe no matter what you do to it

[frank ether]

I havent tested weapon specialist on helbore yet

[empty heron]

Revolver works too!

[frank ether]

but the weapon part of it would be wasted

[vestal sinew]

the point is that specialist can trigger with helbore melee

[frank ether]

agile engagement does, I'm not surre about specialist

[tropic imp]

How does the build work exactly?

[vestal sinew]

unless im crazy

[frank ether]

you equip helbore 3 with a bromentum blessed melee as your secondary and then proceed to chain headshot kills on chaff

normally hb3 bayonet is garbage and would only kill a single chaff

with bromentum it will eat 2-3

[untold mulch]

Oh? nice

[vestal sinew]

oh ok found it

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1814n4v/alrighty_folks_lets_talk_the_helbore_bayonet/

yeah doesnt run specialist

just the perks u mentioned

[tropic imp]

Thanks a ton

[vestal sinew]

damn needs helbore 1 or 2 haha

rip muh helbore 3

[untold mulch]

HB3 bayonet hurts my soul

[vestal sinew]

yeah i was pretty disappointed it was a swipe

instead of poke

[willow badger]

Any fun ideas for bolter build

Am running weapon spec rn

[vestal sinew]

[frank ether]

just generally speaking even with all the quirky builds you can do

hb1-2 bayonet will outperform hb3 bayonet

without needing to build for it

[untold mulch]

I would use Lucius more

IF IT WERENT THAT PULL OUT TIME

Dear lord, The Emperor will die and revive before I finish the karking animation

[vestal sinew]

bayonet build got no pull out time

[frank ether]

Thats the balancing factor of the gun

[fallow compass]

Dude thats a really good base roll

[frank ether]

rather bad charge rate

[vestal sinew]

[frank ether]

you dont want charge rate as your off stat

[vestal sinew]

my helbore 3 instead rolls low dmg%

[fallow compass]

69% isnt going to make much of a difference

[bitter turtle]

tee hee funny number

[vestal sinew]

im running bayonet build anyways for my helbore 2

stabby stab

[frank ether]

obv getting a perfect one is hard but I would settle for something a bit more like this where damage, stopping, charge are all 75> and other stuff like stability and ammo can be considered dump stats

[vestal sinew]

stonks

[frank ether]

I'd say stability doesnt rly matter on this gun

so that would be the main off stat

low ammo is also K since you have many blesings that help with that

but I'd rather not stack like 3 ammo blessings on a lasgun lmao

[brisk umbra]

i mean with taht gun all you need is survivalist and maybe the lagun talent

[slow spade]

Looks at plasma and revolver

[brisk umbra]

and since you get both anyway, you can honestly run 10% ammo and be fine

[fallow compass]

Charge rate can be offset a bit with the onslaught IV blessing

[slow spade]

You want Shocktrooper

[frank ether]

your ammo usage depends on how fast you're shooting on helbore

[slow spade]

Shocktrooper is an indirect improvement to your mag size too

[frank ether]

so if you're really cracked with headshots you might find yourself actually runningg out of ammo without survivalist or ST

a lot of the time low charge shots will nuke some basic elite or gunner esp on hb3

[fallow compass]

What is better to have for a perk (if you have to choose) 25% damage to Flak or 25% damage to Maniacs?

[slow spade]

Depends on gun

Columbus wants Flak

[frank ether]

depends on your specific variant for helbores

[slow spade]

While a plasma would want mutant

[frank ether]

its all about hitting breakpoints, so you want to reduce hits to kill on a specific target type

[slow spade]

Oh for Helbore, generally you want flak

[remote osprey]

It's okay for Mk2.

[frank ether]

for example hb3 I'm going maniac/carapace because I want to kill muties and crushers in less shots

[slow spade]

Helbore's maniac damage is bad while high enough to instant kill most disablers

[fallow compass]

So autoguns flak, and laser based weapons maniacs?

[slow spade]

Not for helbore

[frank ether]

maniac on hb3 lets you kill muties in one less shot

[slow spade]

Helbore will already instant kill any maniac target except dreg ragers and Mutants

And you want to melee mutants anyways

If you use bayonet, aim for weakspot due to funny weakspot modifier on bayonet

[frank ether]

there isnt rly much of a reason to not roll maniac on mk3, elite or flak doesnt do that much for you

[junior needle]

There doesn't seem to be consistency and it's on a per line basis. Recons blow at maniacs for example, but infantry las excels against them.

Meanwhile recon has better a flak modifier, and infantry las blows against it.

IAG's also have more than acceptable maniac damage

[tiny summit]

Helbore pilled when I saw that bayonet 1 shots mutant waves

[delicate moat]

what do u guys run with ur mg 1as?

exec stance, marksman focus?

[tiny summit]

I have a build with exec stance and marksman. I like it. Been playing with my infiltrate/marksman and a exec stance/brittleness recon lasgun

With the brittleness I can kill crushers in half a mag of recon

[nimble sentinel]

yup, all about headshots with the obligatory +maniacs and +flak

[delicate moat]

oh ffs, the mg1as i have doesn't roll with flak/maniacs, back to farming I go

[nimble sentinel]

wait I misread

[delicate moat]

is there like a minimum dmg percent alongside +20% or +25% flak/maniac?

[nimble sentinel]

I actually run with VoC and tagging and only dip in the left tree for shock trooper and suppression immunity

ES should do fine, I just like the "oh shit" button

[delicate moat]

I was curious if exec stance or MF was needed for some breakpoints

[fallow compass]

Thank you, ill keep this in mind

[delicate moat]

but then again no breakpoints matter if all the lasgun shots go to ogryn cheeks

[nimble sentinel]

my poor brain hasn't gotten the caffeine yet

someone else needs to do the math on this one I'm at work with a faulty bonehead chip, but I think for most things you will be fine without ES

I also run the IV so I'm more about recoil control and mouse spamming than the one hit kills

[thorny mirage]

Which version of the recon lasgun do yall think is the most viable?

[nimble sentinel]

MG IV, sadly

[thorny mirage]

Sadly?

[delicate moat]

at least i do have a mg4; just trying to get a mg1a

i have both good mg4/12 rolls just 1a has been eluding me

[nimble sentinel]

recons are trash atm, used to be great with schock trooper but the chunky fish thought against it

[thorny mirage]

Just looking at the one in the shop atm compared to mine rn

[celest vine]

The nice thing about infantry lasguns, they all work extremely well with the same perks amd blessings

[tiny summit]

Used to run recon lasgun a lot but not so much anymore after this patch. Right now I only have 2 orange ones and I am making it work but imo I think you need the brittleness talent

[celest vine]

The best you can get is Headhunter, deadly accurate, flak, and maniac

🗿

Delete

[near dirge]

okay sar

just needed screen shot sar

[tiny summit]

The plus side, it's low base damage I can get away with different talents for the veteran.

[celest vine]

Logs are still there

[delicate moat]

best hadron can provide is efficiency, +1.5 stamina and 15% sprint efficiency

[celest vine]

A good sub for maniac is crit chance or damage

Youll want maniac and always take flak

[spring rapids]

I think a sequel came out recently to this

[thorny mirage]

was honestly expecting it to be Last Christmas

[celest vine]

But the crit perks are very strong

[thorny mirage]

Does this work with Voice of Command?

[celest vine]

Id think so but VoC revive is garbo

[nimble sentinel]

It also helps moreso with manually reviving them, if you're screaming and letting the God Emperor do the rest there's no real need

[thorny mirage]

I like it for reviving the psyker that gets himself killed every 6 nano seconds

[whole moon]

gonna make a play for the 'no melee damage' penance, this is the tree Ive got so far. Any suggestions?

[nimble sentinel]

It's what they deserve for being a witch

[celest vine]

Do you have friends to play the game with?

[whole moon]

Yeah.... But.. I have more luck w pubs

[celest vine]

Jump off the map

Dont get revived til the end

[whole moon]

Oh... Really.. nice

[celest vine]

Thats how you do the penance easy

All these redacted penances are stupid and deserve to get cheesed

[nimble sentinel]

I got it accidentally when I got disco'd from a boss mission, came back at the end of the boss fight, and somehow that counted

perhaps alt-f4?

[whole moon]

I 'may' cheese it later then, thanks for that. Last time I tried I got all the way to the end before 4 poxwalkers jumped me outside dropship and took it all away. Was gutted

[celest vine]

So play assasination with 3 friends

[nimble sentinel]

either way,

[celest vine]

Jump off the map, then get rescued at the very end

Thats it

[sturdy crow]

I did that penance by accident with a pug, just roll into a heresy mission using plasma gun and you're fine

[celest vine]

You didnt die to melee

[whole moon]

Don't need to, just need to take melee damage to fail

[celest vine]

Thts what I mean

Jumping off the map doesnt count as melee damage

[thick rose]

fucking unreal

this game has been stable as hell for me lately.

the one time it throws up an error I have never seen, something to do with memory in a dialogue box in windows.

is the game I complete the bloody make your shot count cheeve

lmao

[quick burrow]

well lads i finally got one it took me soooooooo many resources i wis hteh ammo and mobility were swapped but eh what u gonna do

will swap fire frenzy to tier 4 dum dum when i get one

[karmic musk]

Welp time to make an Infiltrate Vet

[vague hull]

which hellbore do you lads recommend? 3?

are the breakpoint diffs big between em?

[karmic musk]

I only use 3 because its the only one that can reliably deal with Crushers

And if I'm going to suffer that draw animation, might as well get the biggest laser

[vague hull]

oh wait all three got that draw animation? lmao

[ruby fulcrum]

shovel blessings, uncanny + take a swing?

ah, decimator would prob be better

[nimble sentinel]

tbh all 3 are great, I would leave it to preference. Everyone loves the 3, I'm a fan of the 2

[karmic musk]

Uncanny + Decimator is what most ppl use

[vague hull]

[ruby fulcrum]

yeah decimator would be nuts. well im stuck with take a swing but its not the worst i guess

[vague hull]

does each hellbore version favor dealing with different elites

like 3 for crushers

[quick burrow]

for the colum mk 5 do u take marksman build or tagging build?

[nimble sentinel]

2 is better for the squishier elites/specials cause of the quick charge, 3 for the chonkers cause single shot damage, 1 is middle of the road

teammates might kill a gunner before the 3 gets its shot charged

[serene sage]

me, a ballistic connoisseur: I hate all 3

[karmic musk]

No keystone build

[quick burrow]

im listening

[vague hull]

sounds good, last question, does weapon specizlist stacks affect charge speed/draw speed

[karmic musk]

All the Rending, Infiltrate w/ Raking Fire and Dumdum with Survivalist leaves no room for keystones

[vague hull]

gonna try hellbore with weapon specialist

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/E_8E_pmKKcU?si=IzOspmjyYevZRcoV

[vague hull]

oh

cuz imagine 2 with instant charge

[quick burrow]

oh u take infil

[delicate moat]

inb4 yes but negatively

[karmic musk]

3 for crushers, 1 and 2 for regular shooters/gunners

Tho realistically you can deal with them all with 3 too

[serene sage]

if it does I would be creaming and drooling all over my Bolter right now

[quaint valve]

swap blessings and call it a day? Surgical + onslaught?

[tiny summit]

The 3's bayonet slash is a dealbreaker for me

[thick rose]

is there a benefit to filling out lower level blessing library? (like making better ones more likely... he said, dreamingly...

[serene sage]

some blessings are only available at tier 2

[delicate moat]

yes, for the satisfaction of having a complete library

[nimble sentinel]

Good for now, I'd get one with a better charge rate somewhere down the line

[finite imp]

yo the shovel is actually fucking BASED???

[serene sage]

for example, manstopper and flechette

[nimble sentinel]

blessings are correct

[vague hull]

sounds good

[finite imp]

the shovel is fucking insane wtfg

what's the shovel meta

[serene sage]

how fast does it clear wave

can it clear wave faster than the CAxe2

[vague hull]

imma try getting a 1 or 2 then

[serene sage]

especially bruiser wave

[finite imp]

With heavy swings? like 2 hard swings and everything in front of you is dead

not to mention the pure impact

[south garnet]

shovel got buffed yea

[slow spade]

Shovel bad, we need a 2-handed shovel

[tiny summit]

Neither because I'm usually without a keystone because I want brittleness with another lower tree

[finite imp]

it knocked maulers on their ass

[serene sage]

hmm caxe can do that in 2 lights though

maybe not the impact part

[slim ocean]

Shovel is fun rn.

[nimble sentinel]

godamjnit gif broke

shovel is indeed based

[delicate moat]

what do u do against rager packs with shovel

[finite imp]

Heavy attack

[slow spade]

Shoot them

[south garnet]

swat them

[slow spade]

This is Vet chat

[finite imp]

lol

[karmic musk]

Special and whack slowly

[delicate moat]

does it stagger?

[tiny summit]

Bayonet stab

[south garnet]

yep, even lights will stagger them

cumulatively

[finite imp]

with a +3 stam curio the shovel has AMAZING defense

[south garnet]

keep moving, keep whacking

[slim ocean]

Bayonet superior

[finite imp]

bonk

[karmic musk]

Im Hellbore 3, my bayonet is trash

[finite imp]

the sound fx are what make it

[nimble sentinel]

I would also like to know the shovel meta cause my shovel is fun but it ain't it chief

[karmic musk]

Its a defensive weapon, thats all

[south garnet]

well, that plus them buffing it so the heavy is actually worth using now

[finite imp]

WONK BONK

[delicate moat]

im just traumatized by the 10 ragers that descend on my ass

[finite imp]

BONK

[south garnet]

before there was literally no reason to heavy w/shovel

[tiny summit]

Haven't gotten a good shovel at all. It and bolters elude me

[finite imp]

happens more with furrries

[vague hull]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aacad6f-a1c5-4488-acf6-693a909de618/hellbore-swap?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button will try and aim for this, not 30 yet tho

[brittle grove]

what should i change here?

[quick burrow]

hows this look for a mk5 colum no keystone build

[karmic musk]

Well if you were not using the trash smoke nade, you wouldn't be traumatized right now

[south garnet]

I wonder if Thrust is worth it on shovel now plus deci

[tiny summit]

Not using the XII

[whole moon]

YAY DIDNT NEED TO CHEESE IT!!!!! 😄 😄

[south garnet]

I know uncanny is the go to but thrust w/heavies seems potentially busted

[quaint valve]

weak spot to flak. Then probably either deadly accurate or headhunter for one of the blessings

[nimble sentinel]

Hadron strikes again

[quick burrow]

shouldnt he just swap both blessings to headhuntera and deadly accurate?

[delicate moat]

that mg12 looks a bit bricked

[quaint valve]

he can buit overall its kind of a bad roll

[strange grove]

id use out for blood with columnus

[slim ocean]

Ghost pairs great with some talents. Especially crit build

[quick burrow]

it is but thats the only way its useable since at least hte oither 2 perks provide com0bat20 st6523

combat stats *

[wooden oar]

Change it into ordo's

[tiny summit]

Feel like you don't need suppression immunity if you're using the columnus

[quick burrow]

oh really? that would free up some points

[serene sage]

what ult/keystone (or branch if you dont use keystone) are you running with Columnus?

im torn between left and middle

what do

[lime gyro]

i dont use any keystones

[south garnet]

pray they put out another tree revision before they go on holiday

[delicate moat]

• drops an even worse tree
• refuses to elaborate
• leaves

[serene sage]

im settling into really decent builds now

[lime gyro]

Real fatshark moment

[serene sage]

can't wait for them to be bricked again with the new tree

[south garnet]

yea? both of them?

[serene sage]

yes, the whole 2 of them

[tiny summit]

With its fire rate and low base dmg feel like the right lower tree for that brittleness talent is too good

[frank ether]

if you have nothing else to use just get surgical onslaught and call it a day for now

[quick burrow]

if i drop suppression immunity i could pick up field kit and tinkerer or comp urge

[bitter turtle]

its funny how ammo efficient vraks7 is

0 ammo pickup and still have good ammo at the end

[junior needle]

Hmm, if you REALLY want to salvage it then you could swap opening for headhunter and weak spot for an armor type, but you won't be getting the full one shot headshot potential of the gun. You could still use it with deadshot/dnd for a battle rifle kind of playstyle but the k12 is suboptimal for that compared to the 1a/4.

[bitter turtle]

and im just shooting random poxwalker shits half the time

[frank ether]

it shoots slow

[stone birch]

man, after testing my helbore mk 1 and 3, I gotta say the overall performance only favors my mk 3 because I got better perks on it. The power to speed trade off is really well balanced. Except for anti crusher action. the mark 3 just, wins there.

[brittle grove]

i already did but thanks

[frank ether]

surgical makes you shoot even slower

[bitter turtle]

ya, still didn't expect it to basically have infinite ammo lol

i donte ven play around surgical

[serene sage]

what is "close" for Columnus close range damage?

[bitter turtle]

i just treat it as a bonus

[serene sage]

8m?

[bitter turtle]

while aiming

[frank ether]

surgical playstyle just by its nature ammo friendly

[bitter turtle]

and 8m im pretty sure

why do you want left tree so much for column anyway

there's like 2 dead rows after precision strikes

[karmic musk]

They want to cheese the finesse damage

[tiny summit]

Could get the tinkerer and 20% of free double grenades. The 2 top talents for more toughness with the team. Covering fire wouldn't be bad either.

[slow spade]

Columbus crit chain is really good so crits are 👌

[frank ether]

I would not touch left for iags besides precision/deadshot

[slow spade]

But otherwise eh

[junior needle]

People say 8m, but when I'm in the psych things only apply at 7m and don't at 8m.

[thorny mirage]

Ney or Yey to this Chainsword?

[bitter turtle]

yes but the crit is literally in the first row

[slow spade]

Never said to go lower

[south garnet]

keystone mods finesse damage

[bitter turtle]

he wants to go past

[slow spade]

That's just all you want

[quick burrow]

maybe confirmed kill and toughness reduction on coherency

[south garnet]

but yes, left keystone is basically not super great for like 3/4's of vet weapons

[quick burrow]

i like comp urge but it seesms so rng

[slow spade]

Ah then na, go Ping keystone or something else

[karmic musk]

I only use it for Laspistol

[brittle grove]

what do i change here too?

[slow spade]

Its bad vs ogryn damage as fuck bosses

[serene sage]

so for optimal Columnus use you need to be quite close to the enemy

[slow spade]

Yes

[junior needle]

scuffed blessings and you'd typically want maniac/flak over unyielding

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[south garnet]

which is ironic considering FS said they had waited to redo the keystones because they DIDN'T want them to be weapon-specific

ok, well

[bitter turtle]

you can do well enough picking off gunners and snipers though

[frank ether]

Of all 3 helbores only take it on 3 to one shot crushers and extra boss damage, but even then its very questionable value due to talent tax

[stone birch]

works well on Helbores as well.

[south garnet]

they're pretty fucking specific

[bitter turtle]

just crouch to improve recoil if its an issue

[quick burrow]

i wish i could fit in superiority complex 2 haha

[serene sage]

I guess for long range autogun there is just the Vraks series huh

[quick burrow]

to many dam nodes

[bitter turtle]

its passable at long range

[karmic musk]

Helbore 3 doesnt need it, I go Tag for it

[thorny mirage]

aight

[slow spade]

Funny how Ping keystone is the only universally good one lol

[bitter turtle]

just needs to crouch to control recoil tbh

[frank ether]

the two points I use to take marksman focus on hb3 could be used to take grenade regen+%5 toughness DR or close order drill + confirmed kill. Its such poor value on helbore.

[serene sage]

Back 4 Blood flashback

[slow spade]

1/3rd once more

Same with the auras...

[south garnet]

yea, and you get basically fuckall for tough replen/dr

so I hope you find the one tree to sit in in all of tertium

[bitter turtle]

its really an all range weapon

but yeah it excels at spraying an enemy full of bullets close up

[frank ether]

the way I path I already have ET and Iron Will but the more the merrier.

its lacking in toughness generation compared to the other keystones though

[bitter turtle]

if you want to move slightly towards sniper playstyle and away from close range spray, agri iag basically moves the needle in that direction at the cost of some dps at close range

[karmic musk]

Even with ET fixed, I am not swayed from Confirmed Kill, not enough points to take both

[frank ether]

both focus mark and weapon specialist print toughness so good and then you have marksman...

[south garnet]

ET seems like the most consistent form of gain but when SHTF it's hard to actually pull replen out of ET without a high ROF weapon

[frank ether]

Good thing about ET is

[south garnet]

DR is nice though

[frank ether]

its 8 second uptime

[bitter turtle]

it depend son the gun

[karmic musk]

Just get 80% headshot rate like the ppl here, ez

[bitter turtle]

on headshot guns its nice to whip it out and snipe a pox in the head

[frank ether]

its easy to keep up an 8 second cooldown buff

[serene sage]

left or right? can someone help me cook, Columnus btw

[bitter turtle]

not too hard to do either

[frank ether]

compared to marksman focus

ET is just

trivial

[south garnet]

yep

[bitter turtle]

right has 2 dead rows honestly

as in

right picture*

left tree has 2 dead rows

there's no point in going past precision strikes

[frank ether]

%25 ammo and supression

[bitter turtle]

just put the ammo and suppression pts somewhere else

[frank ether]

both placebo imo

[serene sage]

ammo?

[bitter turtle]

yes

its pointless for columnus

[serene sage]

huh okay

[bitter turtle]

you have tons of ammo already

[karmic musk]

Right tree you better have your Melee weapon be able to deal with Carapace

[nimble sentinel]

ET works if you shoot the clumped hordes, you're all (probably) grown ass adults eat your bread crusts and pop some pox domes

[serene sage]

right side it is 😄

[bitter turtle]

i really cant imagine you running out and i spray hordes regularly

because i run a knife with it

lol

[serene sage]

I mean left

[bitter turtle]

and EVEN THEN

it still doesn't run out

[willow badger]

Any of you guys also in bolter gang

[serene sage]

I run almost exclusively Bolter in Auric T5/Maelstrom

What's up

[willow badger]

Based. What u running

[karmic musk]

Masochist

[serene sage]

(just now trying to learn Columnus)

[serene sage]

depends on what Bolter you have

you can go the marksman route or my favorite, the enforcer route

[frank ether]

how about taking field improv and the focus mark toughness regen modifier there for the right build

[serene sage]

with nade and melee

[frank ether]

instead of ammo and suppression

[willow badger]

There are multiple kinds 👀

[serene sage]

well it's really just if you want or have Surgical or Shattering Impact

[willow badger]

O I c

Yeah haven't messed with blessings too much yet.

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

[willow badger]

Right now running wep spec myself

[serene sage]

for this you are really tanky with 3 different ways of toughness regen, just throw nade like candies, approach with your big gun while the opponents are staggered

[karmic musk]

Thats a random ass right initial cluster

[formal igloo]

spearhead boltgun? how u get that?

[willow badger]

Since I'm like 75% melee to save ammo

[serene sage]

and start shooting

[bitter turtle]

you can also try this

if you want to dip into everything

https://i.gyazo.com/8b1b6a149b0a0c85fe9f4ab526176460.jpg

maybe

but personally im not a huge ping keystone fan

[finite imp]

if only trench fighter was easier to get to

[serene sage]

I love the 8 stacks too much

[karmic musk]

Keynode less build, the real Vet

[willow badger]

Ive been using bolter ads to one shot gunners in distance is that a waste

[bitter turtle]

no

[serene sage]

no that's optimal

[frank ether]

not rly

[bitter turtle]

adsing with it is actually optimal atm

instead of magdumping

[brisk umbra]

Ping Keystone is amazing, but you need all 3upgrades

otherwise is pretty meh

[frank ether]

you gotta do what you gotta do if you're the only one clearing gunners no one can blame u

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

[karmic musk]

Toughness is optional, real players don't take damage

[serene sage]

just do this :3

[urban steppe]

someone said ping ?

[zinc osprey]

Not sure what you mean, bud. Waste compared to what?

[urban steppe]

i got a good build under plasma for that

[brisk umbra]

Tell that to randos

[serene sage]

by the way, shooting bolter under suppression is hell

[frank ether]

I prefer doing it with surgical ads

bit less messy

[serene sage]

if you want to long range engage with bolter please take Determined 💀

otherwise, find ways to CQC

[tiny summit]

We survived without em, don't need em

[karmic musk]

Anyone run ally revive speed on curios

How is it

[stone birch]

if you are playing with pubs, its vital.

[bitter turtle]

btw

[brisk umbra]

i like it on psyker honestly, nobody else

[bitter turtle]

for columnus

[zinc osprey]

It's great when you build for it.

[bitter turtle]

it might just be because prepatch

but i would also consider just grabbing longshot and volley adept with leftover points

longshot is whatever but volley adept for those super fast reloads feels so good on column

i miss it

since the reworked tree makes it more difficult to get

[zinc osprey]

longshot? the crit bonus when adsing?

[bitter turtle]

that's deadaim

[serene sage]

hmm interesting

[bitter turtle]

or deadeye w/e

longshot is the dmg at long range

[stone birch]

Longshot increases damage the further away the target is

[bitter turtle]

its whatever on column

[serene sage]

it's deadshot

[zinc osprey]

oh right

[bitter turtle]

whatever

[zinc osprey]

[bitter turtle]

i dont remember the name

[tiny summit]

Longshot definitely feels like a waste on columnus with its low base damage

[bitter turtle]

if it was solely for longshot

i would not take it

[stone birch]

great on helbores, plasma, and revolvers tho.

[bitter turtle]

but volley adept feels really good to me

like just the feeling of it lol

[serene sage]

I don't have enough points for it

[bitter turtle]

those fast reloads when you're in the thick of things saves lives

[serene sage]

1 short

[bitter turtle]

you could drop comp urge

its not like

super necessary or anything though

volley i mean

i just like it

lol

[tiny summit]

Does feel good on some of my exec stance las loadouts and there's just a whole lightshow of targets

[serene sage]

yeah that's the one I dropped

I guess I can drop Focussed Fire as well

[bitter turtle]

try it out and see how you feel I guess

volley adept i mean

[serene sage]

fuck it vanguard and tac reload?

[bitter turtle]

or

you could drop CK

[serene sage]

so I don't feel like im wasting point on long shot

[bitter turtle]

and take ET instead

and personally I spray until empty a lot of the times

so idk

if you can remember

LOL

i can't

smol brain

[serene sage]

it's okay I do

[bitter turtle]

but yeah you could just go full left too

[serene sage]

I actually do, I used to play bolter with it so I have to keep track lol

[bitter turtle]

fwiw i dont think longshot is a complete waste

you do have to shoot at long range shit sometimes

its just not something i'd take

for its own sake

[junior needle]

Apparently base damage is just regular damage, but I'd agree that the columnus already has quite enough dps.

[serene sage]

yeah im not saying it's a waste, it's just one of those things that it feels like anti synergy with close range damage blessings (even though in reality it's more of a evening out effect)

[bitter turtle]

but yeah you could roll with this

https://i.gyazo.com/17461efcd4fc15b5bd13cde532764cda.png

depends on how much you like ET though

over CK

[serene sage]

I'm rolling with this I think

I can't hit ET shots to save my life 😦

[bitter turtle]

that works too

and rip

[serene sage]

with Vanguard maybe I can just bumrush that cluster of enemies and start spraying

[bitter turtle]

just remembedr to actually tac reload lmao

volley adept still faster tho

[serene sage]

yeah, tactically

[tiny summit]

If so. Thanks Fatshark for having descriptions that don't work how it reads it should. But I think it's actual base dmg. I kill crushers with 1/2 mag of recon lasgun with them and without them.

[serene sage]

they should buff it a little

to like 25% or 30%

it's not like that will break anything

[sharp ember]

i think my plasma setup is dependent on it to 1-tap scab gunners

[bitter turtle]

it coul djust be placebo

buti actulaly do notice that 10% difference between volley and tac

[serene sage]

technically a 33% difference

but yeah I do notice a difference as well

[topaz lance]

There's gonna be news about part 2 tomorrow. I can feel it.

[bitter turtle]

fwiw

longshot seems to adda bout 100 dps on a crusher at 20m

not

THE WORST thing in the world? I guess

lol

[serene sage]

Part 2: just kidding we are on vacation early, the update is that there is no update

[bitter turtle]

doesn't matter for like 99% of the things you're shooting at 20m plus though

[serene sage]

Bye~

[sharp ember]

i am only mildly terrified at the prospect of the mission boss being the karnak twins, 2 captains at the same time

[topaz lance]

Part two will finally nerf the vet again.

[frank ether]

longshot caps out at like 30+ meters I believe

[bitter turtle]

ya

but lets be real

[topaz lance]

I hope they'll be a bit more special than copy pasted captains honestly.

[frank ether]

I remember 35m or so but I might be wrong

[bitter turtle]

shooting a crusher at 30m+ seems

like ther eare smarter things to do

20m i can see happening still at least

[frank ether]

perfectly reasonable for helbores or a vraks

[bitter turtle]

with a columnus I mean

lol

[hearty panther]

Old longshot started at 15m and ended at 30m. New Longshot is much more reasonable.

[frank ether]

mm, for columnus you'll get more benefit out of onslaught-dumdum combo against crusher anyways

[hearty panther]

Something like 8m ending at 25m.

[topaz lance]

Fun fact: Longshot lets me reliably one-tap reapers from any distance, it doesn't work without it. Actually useful talent.

[sharp ember]

at the very least, I expect some scripted tag-team hijinks to divide the fight into phases

[cold shuttle]

I'm about to get my first plasma gun, how important is stopping power? I got one with 79% on dmg, charge, thermal, and then 60 stopping and 66 ammo. Is that decent?

[brisk umbra]

Auric is become so much harder than before, there are far too many xbox players now -_-

[bitter turtle]

smoke grenade harder

jk

[midnight patrol]

It allows me to hit one shot body shots with the Vraks on somewhat tanky Dreg light infantry

[cold shuttle]

and any place I can read up on which blessings are best on various weapons?

[midnight patrol]

Their Bruiser and Shooter types

[bitter turtle]

im talking in context of columnus with longshot lol

[frank ether]

longshot also on the way to ET and %30 reload perks

[bitter turtle]

i know its good with vraks and shit

[midnight patrol]

.. Huh lol

[brisk umbra]

all you care is dmg and stopping power, nothing else

So honestly, just buy more

[midnight patrol]

Okay uhh hmm..

[junior needle]

According to people who actually look at the code, it is just general damage. As for why you're getting similar results, it could've been testing methodology or random crits making it lean a certain way.

Regardless of how it actually works, the amount of damage per shot isn't necessarily important as a 20% increase will still be a 20% increase no matter what. Guns with lower damage per shot have (or should have) fire rate/ammo to compensate for it, so the end result should be the same as far as I'm aware.

[serene sage]

yeah I noticed this as well

just need to brave out the storm brother

[midnight patrol]

Does it at least save one or two bullets on light infantry?

[tiny summit]

It's fine. Like most weapons you can get away with those stat discrepancies. I just don't personally get attached to any weapon under 370 for modifiers

[brisk umbra]

Like, i had more damage than the other 3 players combined, you really can't win when those game come

[sharp ember]

stopping power is important for tuning your weapon to 1-shot various enemies instead of 2-shotting, but it's worth testing in the shooting range

[frank ether]

I don't think you seem to realize some guns drop damage over distance a lot more than others

[cold shuttle]

yeah, ok thanks

[frank ether]

and longshot will only mitigate that effect

[cold shuttle]

and which blessings for plasma are best?

[serene sage]

samesies, they take a lot of ammo so you can't exactly carry

[whole moon]

Gets Hot, Blaze Away

[sharp ember]

mostly Gets Hot + Blaze Away

[brisk umbra]

Blaze Away and Get Hot, but really having a good base+good perks is better than any blessings

[sharp ember]

plasma isn't that dependent on blessings

[frank ether]

so your testing for longshot needs to take distance into account

[sharp ember]

so you won't be screwed without them

[bitter turtle]

only because they all SUG

[midnight patrol]

Time to have Destiny 2 levels of boss fight slogs!

[brisk umbra]

Blessings are nice additions if they come out, but really not that important

[cold shuttle]

yeah, the weapon has lvl3 blaze away, so I can maybe buy it to extract blessing

[topaz lance]

How important is the ammo stat on plasma?

[delicate estuary]

yes

[topaz lance]

I got a very good roll but 46% ammo

[bitter turtle]

one of the more important ones

[brisk umbra]

I mean, if you have more ammo it's nice, but it doesn't matter

[topaz lance]

damn

[bitter turtle]

i mean

its probably still fine

[sharp ember]

I like it to stretch out the value on ammo pickups

ammo is ammo

[bitter turtle]

but the dump stats are charge rate and thermal resist

[sharp ember]

but if your team is willing to feed you ammo....

[topaz lance]

I mean most people do run plasma with shout, which I don't like. So if I take the ammo node instead... hm

[tiny summit]

I'm not feeling the xbox players, I'm just feeling the clown car of special and elite spawns more than ever this update.

[brisk umbra]

That doesn't help, but really, you can't play this game with a Controller

There's just far too much that you need on top of

[finite imp]

don't let console players see this

[brisk umbra]

that you can't turn slowly at 1 degree per hour

[serene sage]

they can be dealt with one pod at a time
but the thing is xbers are so new given the consol release was recent
so they run ahead and trigger all the stuff before going down
leaving you to handle the rest

[sharp ember]

i'm a sick freak that takes exe stance with plasma, to convert any 2-shots into 1-shot, and highlight vision to shoot through walls

[serene sage]

and since they run up, they likely vacuum all the ammo on the way as well

[midnight patrol]

Being able to flick dodge and shove against enemies right behind me has been such a play

[viral garnet]

wish we could get half the stuff thats in the files

[midnight patrol]

You cannot do that with a joystick lmao

[topaz lance]

That's my plan as well!

[tiny summit]

Probably. Didn't put a lot of time into it. I was testing the recon lasguns so it's not like the dmg being added was huge to begin with whether base or overall

[humble nova]

Leather jacket over armor is certainly a choice

[topaz lance]

Hot damn that senior officers coat is nice!
Do not hold your breath though. I always think about Krubers grenade launcher which has been in the files since Vermintide 1.

[serene sage]

A E S T H E T I C S

[junior needle]

Not sure how base damage would even work if it wasn't just damage in disguise. Would it just not affect crits/headshots?

[bitter turtle]

the gun customization being in the files but not ingame is the bigger travesty to me

i want to show everyone my abominations

like my katana powersword

[topaz lance]

Rule of cool. It's 40k after all

[viral garnet]

theres a lot more as well which sucks

[humble nova]

I mean... it looks stupid

[south spindle]

Bois i come bearing exciting mods

[sharp ember]

holy crap i have never opened the ogrynomicon before, it's like a full-length strategy guide just for ogryn

[south spindle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/255

[viral garnet]

oooh

[serene sage]

which part of let's send 4 rejects (including a psyker which can spell disaster) to fight literal thousands of enemies is not?

[bitter turtle]

omg cheats

[humble nova]

hell yes

[trim hemlock]

There isn’t really a lot of it if you filter out the “filler”, commissary-tier items

[serene sage]

there's a beat minigame automatically mod

[viral garnet]

ye fair some of the penance styled kit is nice as well though

[south spindle]

You have a strange definition of cheats kek, thats pure QoL

[humble nova]

Not really sure how "justification for this game to exist" conflates with "you look like an idiot for this choice"

[bitter turtle]

its called shitposting

i put scopes on my guns

lul

[sharp ember]

they're imitating some wazzok earlier

[serene sage]

that you shouldn't take anything related to this game too seriously?

[south spindle]

MyB, kinda hard to tell these days with the number of rancid takes this discord has sometimes

[humble nova]

Aight fair

[serene sage]

tbf at some point there is a line

I would consider skip minigame section a cheat mod

[tiny summit]

Wish fatshark was a bit more generous with non-premium cosmetics and have colors be customizable on a piece instead of it being a different piece

[bitter turtle]

the line is exactly right after the mods i downloaded

[south spindle]

What like Auspex's an the like? Yeah i would an all

[bitter turtle]

everything before that line is ok

[topaz lance]

Argiung about taste is like arguing on the internet, etc.

[serene sage]

so true bestie

[slow spade]

UwU

[serene sage]

what?

lmao

[umbral scaffold]

so the 1st IAG absolutely slaps

spaceK47

[south spindle]

Thats the only mini-game i can think of in DT?

[gleaming turtle]

Dang, did Melk actually not screw me this time?

[south spindle]

Or am i misunderstanding summat?

[slow spade]

368 instead of 380

Bricked

[umbral scaffold]

Getting something good from melk is heresy, friend

[serene sage]

it's the you click when the square is on top of the yellow square once

[south spindle]

Yeah... the Auspex

[slow spade]

We need flappy birds in Darktide

[serene sage]

well we also have Auspex scan

[humble nova]

least stable boltgun

[serene sage]

but yeah

sure

[humble nova]

have fun surgically firing all over the map

[gleaming turtle]

Like, I should actually buy this thing, right? Lmao.

[humble nova]

(yes you should if you like bolters)

[sharp ember]

guardsmen, it's been almost a year since the outdated veteran ranged weapon writeup was pinned in the pins, think we should make a writeup?

[humble nova]

You're all over it boss

[slow spade]

Vets have the least documented info

[humble nova]

We'll be here waiting to critique it

[slow spade]

Better off randomly searching keywords in the search bar

[brisk umbra]

.. i got an exe stance guy with recon lasgun and without survivalist. fuck me.

[slow spade]

Unironically that's how I learn about Vet

[slow spade]

Have fun

[serene sage]

time to start adding random keywords to misinform people hahahahaha

[humble nova]

Shock Trooper prayge?

[slow spade]

D:

[tiny summit]

No time for reading. Only killing. And preparing for the next nerfs.

[serene sage]

for example, Columnus needs Raking Fire and Terrifying Barrage

[slow spade]

Sometime last week, I just searched "Longshot" to see the distance scaling damage (no info lmao)

[karmic musk]

Terrifying WHAT

[serene sage]

Garage

[karmic musk]

Terrifying Garbage more like

[serene sage]

yeah you should take it

[sharp ember]

I'm thinking about a basic writeup of each gun family and any quirky properties a mark might have

[serene sage]

on Columnus, Raking Fire and Terrifying Barrage are BiS

[slow spade]

1 line of misinformation for the funny

"MK12 can be overcharged to turn into a krak grenade"

[sharp ember]

i don't wanna delve into recommended blessings because i will never stop getting pinged with objections

[serene sage]

you should write it so horribly wrong

but then add a single line of extremely correct and sensible information

to throw them off

make them question everything

[bitter turtle]

that's some real villainous shit there

lol

[tiny summit]

Gun kills people? Good.

[slow spade]

Sadly, it'd be the most accurate Vet guide by default UwU

[karmic musk]

Vet guide first line:

Use Kickback ohwait

[bitter turtle]

raking fire infiltrate vet

columnus

[tiny summit]

Give kickback to psykers. They can handle it

[slow spade]

Weapon specialist bolter UwU

[sharp ember]

alright i'll start drafting something

[topaz lance]

Kick psykers. They deserve it.

[tiny summit]

But I'm a gunker. Brothers in lead

[thorny isle]

What are some of the m.e.t.a guns/melee options for vet. I enjoy the shottys and the autoguns the most

[serene sage]

One can dream UwU

[serene sage]

Columnus Power Sword

[junior needle]

It could've been worse, infiltrate and no survivalist

[brisk umbra]

fuck me he's literally siphoning every ammo on the map

[junior needle]

Recon lasgun experience

[bitter turtle]

it could have been worse

he could be running knife + recon

[slow spade]

Plasma and revolver are reliable choices

[serene sage]

The succ

[brisk umbra]

placed down a fucking ammo box, he fucking ate 3 ammo charges in literally 15 seconds

[bitter turtle]

and smoke nades

[brisk umbra]

for no reasons

[willow badger]

Iag fun

[bitter turtle]

there is a reason

[thorny isle]

I think I've got a Columnus, power sword is interesting. If you are on the game if you don't mind would you send a Screencap of what you are running on them

[brisk umbra]

I don't even know what fucking nades he's using, he's not throwing any.

[bitter turtle]

the reason is fatshark nerfed recon 😔

[serene sage]

He's just refilling his grenade man

Let him be

[bitter turtle]

imagine

[brisk umbra]

It's been 15 minutes, i haven't seen a single nade used.

[near sable]

use your grenade then?

[bitter turtle]

knife + recon + smoke loadout

[near sable]

[slow spade]

Don't forget to block

[bitter turtle]

hose all the hordes with your watergun

[serene sage]

It's smoke, as in all smoke and mirrors

[brisk umbra]

I haven't been this much tilted by a player in fucking weeks dear christ

[tiny summit]

I'm not using recon without having survivalist

[junior needle]

Might as well not used them altogether at this point

[serene sage]

Call him a degenerate who deserves to be quartered and hang

[humble nova]

Honestly just trolling at that point

[serene sage]

In that order

[near sable]

darktide will teach the digital clock generation how to read numerals

[junior needle]

Reminds me of this guy who was spraying into melee chaffe with his 6d the entire game and constantly running out of ammo.

[topaz lance]

what difficulty is this on?

[bitter turtle]

he got you there

you fatty

i bet you were eating all his precious ammo 😔

he needs to hose the horde harder

[junior needle]

True, lemme find the game

[bitter turtle]

you can't blame him

he's just playing recon the way fatshark™ intended

why else did they buff infested/unarmored dmg

[near sable]

should consider that this is the internet, and trying to help people is pointless

[bitter turtle]

while nerfing almost everything else

[serene sage]

Kek

[tiny summit]

Had a game last night with a friend. The 2 zealots rush ahead into crushers while the horde is spawning behind, get downed and then blame us, tell us "don't play damnation!". Next game, we match with 1 of those zealots. He proceeds to take all the ammo, shooting at max ammo to take them.

[gusty bison]

This is griefing lmao

[thorny isle]

This happens way too often

[gusty bison]

No gun runs through their entire ammo reserve in 5 seconds

[serene sage]

since we are talking about bad players, can I post the recon psyker scoreboard again?

[thorny isle]

Ig

[slow spade]

I got you fam

Saved it so my team can laugh at it

[junior needle]

They only slightly buffed one gun, ignored the other shit gun, then sizably nerfed the only good one. Then nerfed all of them. Sadly this scoreboard doesn't have ammo picked up.

[serene sage]

holy shit ty ❤️

[near sable]

could've had purgatus instead

[slow spade]

It made my team laugh so was worth 👍

[near sable]

done the same thing but 99.9% more efficiently

[iron marten]

physically recoiled

[thorny isle]

Which guns is this

[tiny summit]

Need a different recon but I'm actually having it work while not eating all the ammo.

[thorny isle]

Er rather what was nerfed

[slow spade]

I know recon is bad but it shouldn't be THAT bad

[near sable]

IT SAYS

[coarse tide]

The scoreboard still accurate in the latest version?, saw some comments saying it was bugged

[slow spade]

I wonder what the accuracy was lol

[serene sage]

tb completely fair, the dude didn't go down that often so he's not bad

but recon was soooooo bad

[iron marten]

maybe he only used it on crushers

[junior needle]

You can see the equipment at the top

[bitter turtle]

to be fair

[thorny isle]

Oh wait is recon the lasgun

[bitter turtle]

the only reason recon was even usable in the first place

was because of all the vet talents

[thorny isle]

Oh thanks btw

[bitter turtle]

does psyker even have anything that makes it do more than tickle the enemy

[slow spade]

Indeed, Recon was a support build basically

[slow spade]

No

[thorny isle]

He has yondu needles which are cool

[slow spade]

If Psyker had Shocktrooper, it might have been good due to psyker's much higher crit than Vet

[near sable]

don't think you can figure that from a scoreboard, rest of his team could've been preventing his instantaneous death from important enemies while he was holding m1 on poxwalkers

[junior needle]

Yeah it was the recons, they even nerfed the bad ones with the line wide nerfs. Undocumented btw.

[tiny summit]

Is bleed or fire actually tracked? I would think some of the knife zealots I come across would be raking up more dmg on board

[brisk umbra]

Auric.

[thorny isle]

Lame I liked those. Good thing I saw this chat then

[slow spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1175081395270467704/2023-11-04_20-55-20.mp4?ex=6569eed4&is=655779d4&hm=384c5d35108af5b75129c31e5ee6545fe1c2e84e4a897d33efb238a688330671&

Here's a look at recon's dps

[bitter turtle]

and the best part is

even if they didnt nerf it

the buffed iags would be better

[tiny summit]

Yea I ran a recon psyker once and then never again

[junior needle]

Someone sharing my videos

[brisk umbra]

Oh yeah i'm pretty sure he was using that one preciselly sheo

[slow spade]

It was s good video c:

[slow spade]

Its the only one people use

[serene sage]

oh no no that is my scoreboard haha, the one right next to him is me

[slow spade]

Tbh I don't really like that one now

[tiny summit]

Wish I was at home, I think I can at least show the recon being redeemed a lil here

[bitter turtle]

its always going to look terrible on maniacs

[serene sage]

he played like a bot that sucks ammo, at least he didn't go down, that's all the good I can say really

[bitter turtle]

i have a completely kitted out one with great rolls

from prepatch

[bitter turtle]

does 1/3rd of the dps against a maniac compared to column

[slow spade]

The problem with that logic is "why not just any other gun"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174883219854864454/2023-11-16_20-23-26.mp4?ex=65693643&is=6556c143&hm=fb28b42001674b5950332e23d728cc91eb89eaafefbfb37bb40e60c9f9f9bfde&

[bitter turtle]

it just has godawful maniac dmg

[thorny isle]

I was using these with shock trooper for a bit. Was not realizing I was throwing for my team

[tiny summit]

Unless I'm misremembering how it looked last night, didn't seem too bad

[slow spade]

Like maybe the gun with 2000 dps vs mutants (it does have higher maniac dps though)

[slow spade]

Yeah look at the vid above

Its a columbus

[bitter turtle]

here

[thorny isle]

I love Columbus and other autoguns in general

[bitter turtle]

kitted out guns

https://i.gyazo.com/b51f5ce7408a0795d61c19cc608d0a89.jpg

[serene sage]

could you let me know when you are home, so I can make sure I don't queue up at the same time

[bitter turtle]

i literally even moved into a better position for teh recon

[near sable]

second haunting of Christopher Columbus

[bitter turtle]

to get more headshots

[frank ether]

4000 dps lmao

[slow spade]

While no shocktrooper, you save ammo by faster kill times and less ammo

[bitter turtle]

just to give it a bit more of an edge

but no

still shit

[junior needle]

You can kinda make up for how shitty the guns are baseline with particular talent setups, but the value you're getting out of those setups is less than with an actually good gun.

[slow spade]

Jesus 4000 lol

[tiny summit]

Still competing for top dmg and boss dmg with my build in my runs

[slow spade]

I've only gotten 4k on plasma and revolvers lol

[serene sage]

im jk 😄

[bitter turtle]

column just absolutely chews through fleshy targets at close range

[slow spade]

Top dmg means nothing for Vet lol

[hearty panther]

Like that example avoids headshots and is firing at the Recons single worst armor type by far.

It's a pretty unfair example.

[serene sage]

top damage while playing with a good kickback ogryn

now that's different

[slow spade]

You ignore that recon's % is near 100% for maniac which means that's its closer to its base dps

[bitter turtle]

even against other targets

https://i.gyazo.com/2c1d0d23adf508be017a3dde3d33c1ad.jpg

its still worse

[slow spade]

So you're working with a 400 dps gun

[bitter turtle]

like it does better don't get me wrong

its CLOSER