veteran-class

[delicate estuary]

vet chad is a real chad for gathering most plasteel

[bitter turtle]

he is

boss dmg highest too

distracted the boss so i could kill all th e gunners

true sacrifice

[trim steppe]

Because this is the internet and online gaming, clearly you'll rarely meet asshats that need blocking

[muted knot]

I know a real one when I hear about them

[bitter turtle]

tbf that team was pretty good anyway lol

[half wigeon]

Someone blocked for taking ammo when i was almost full ( i didn't even noticed lmao )

[bitter turtle]

psyker did the gud lightning

[muted knot]

Gunners might be kind of underwhelming alone but they are the reason for most of my team wipes

[bitter turtle]

all I did was click heads

that were staggered

[stuck crystal]

Psyker safe space dome OP

[placid portal]

Love the magic wall

[muted knot]

Oh yeah it the dome is amazing

[stuck crystal]

I love running my dome build, especially on Carnival

[placid portal]

Stops muties and dog alike

[muted knot]

Like it seems underwhelming but man does it create a good safe space

[placid portal]

Carnival is only place when smoke is a good idea

[bitter turtle]

carnival is one of the only maps where I think dome is better

maybe

idk wall is still pretty damn good though lol

[muted knot]

Last area on carnival makes it soooo good

[bitter turtle]

but at least there actually are like 360 gunners surrounding you on osme areas

lik ehte first holdout

[muted knot]

What's the difference between dome and wall ?

[stuck crystal]

I tend to run the more support oriented builds anyway, so a dome that blocks anything ranged and regens toughness is great

[trim steppe]

Everyone underestimates the value of the wall, they all go dome 100% of the time

[bitter turtle]

wall ahs 2 charges and stuns specialists

[placid portal]

Thats the only time tbf

[half wigeon]

U Can have 2 wall

[bitter turtle]

dome is dome shaped

[languid escarp]

dome is spherical

[bitter turtle]

and regens toughness or whatever

[muted knot]

Funny man

[bitter turtle]

something useless b/c you're already inside the safety of dome lmao

[languid escarp]

that's another talent point

[stuck crystal]

Nah the toughness regen is great

[muted knot]

Dome feels more useful in stress Situations

[bitter turtle]

as great as stunning specialist trains and 2 charges? 🤔

[stuck crystal]

It allows your team to dip in and out to top up on toughness

[placid portal]

+50% toughness damage res on end

[bitter turtle]

that I'd have to disagree with

[trim steppe]

Dome and toughness regen are great but people sleep on the wall for sure

[atomic zephyr]

question
what advantages would a lawbringer shotgun have over the agri or Kant shotgun?

[bitter turtle]

you can infinite cleave a horde by headshotting them i guess

let me find the video

[muted knot]

I sleep on psykers in general

[stuck crystal]

Eh, I run dome with Surge Staff so I can stun most things anyway

[muted knot]

Do not suffer the witch to life

[half wigeon]

Running a veteran tank with 210 toughness with Iron will IS funny

[rigid pilot]

Kant shotgun also has infinite cleave tho

[placid portal]

Weapon specialist crit bleed manstopper for mini frag

[half wigeon]

• with tag i just can't site

Die*

[remote nebula]

This is most likely why the scoreboard will probably never exist officially in Darktide, the amount of fingerpointing, toxicity and general asshattery resulting from it, when people can still legitimate contribute to the team and be helpful

what matters is you have fun playing the game and hopefully also finish the mission, I mean yeah some people suck, but to me that generally means those people who don't watch your back, hoard all the ammo, go mess with daemonhosts intentionally or out of ignorance even at level 30 or decide to solo rush ahead and try and speedrun the game spending 4 minutes at the airlock and dumping all the shit on the rest of the team

[atomic zephyr]

i see thanks

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[bitter turtle]

ya unironically scoreboard should not exist

[placid portal]

Tru xppp

[stuck crystal]

Scoreboard is for trash talking your friends about stupid stuff

[bitter turtle]

like i said i wasn't even posting it to shame them lmao

[rigid pilot]

People are going to finger point irregardless of whether there's a scoreboard or not

[bitter turtle]

the team was great

psyker did low dmg but was a stagger build anyway

with 1 gorillion staggers

[muted knot]

I would love a personal scoreboard

[bitter turtle]

but its easy to misinterpret even things like elites killed or dmg done

[half wigeon]

Scoreboard IS good to see and test your builds in Real situation

[muted knot]

Just so we can see how our builds work

11k stagger goes hard tho

[half wigeon]

I think a self scoreboard where it show your stats only would be great

[stuck crystal]

I like the way Heroes of the Storm did stats at the end of a match. "You did more damage than 80% of current hero players"

[bitter turtle]

ya, like i said, all i really did was click on heads that were motionless b/c of his staggers lol

[placid portal]

With lawbringer crit bleed buckshot build your crit hit count is insane

[muted knot]

What gun you running ?

[bitter turtle]

me? vraks7

for that game

[placid portal]

700+ crits in 1 run

[muted knot]

What's that build you talk about ? Sounds fun

[delicate estuary]

I personally dont give a shit about other's performance unless they are being genuinely toxic. I just want to be able to track my own performance and whether there is areas I need to work on. If I am doing most of the carrying I will know cause I know the feeling of having to carry people. I would have much prefered a personal scoreboard so people can actually have feedback on what they are doing wrong. And well people who use scoreboard to complaint about teams and what not just didn't carry hard enough

[bitter turtle]

its the one i linked earlier with the vid

#veteran-class message

manstopper for infinite cleave on crit

then aim at the heads of a horde

[placid portal]

Weapon specialist keystone, you wont need any sidebuffs
Pick up the 10% crit on reload
Lawbringer must have flechette and manstopper

Even without manstopper it was fun imo

[muted knot]

I just can't get behind using autoguns, veteran has so many good guns that they just feel a bit too meh

[delicate estuary]

autoguns are slightly more reliable due to carapace

plus high finesse values

[rigid pilot]

Oh wait, 10% on reload works with swap reload?

[remote nebula]

can you see finesse values or a weapon's base crit chance anywhere ingame?

[muted knot]

That's insane

While we are on the topic, what actually is finesse damage ?

[rigid pilot]

Finesse value you see in the damage tables

Weakspot dmg, innate crit chance you need mods

[midnight mortar]

Finesse damage is the damage value determined from striking a weakpoint and/or critical hitting.

[muted knot]

Ohhhh

[remote nebula]

oh wait finesse is both? huh

[muted knot]

Man that shotgun build seems fun

[rigid pilot]

Yea weakspot and critical hit damage

Some weapons finesse roll affects attack speed too

[muted knot]

Is anyone actually using the revive node on shout ? I like to use it but I'm not sure if it's actually good

With points being so scarce for vet

[trim steppe]

i really never use it

[robust mesa]

am I doing something wrong with ps6

I do the block

and the stab

powering up beforehand

Someone in here told me it would shit on crushers

it has not

[rigid pilot]

You need the follow up

And you need to hit the head

[fleet garden]

it does a lot of dmg, like two tap

[delicate estuary]

push attack into light attack

[rigid pilot]

Two tap head

[fleet garden]

into the head

[robust mesa]

oh you have to light attack after ok

[tranquil comet]

is this a good enough base roll?

[short wigeon]

i've used it to save many a run

[robust mesa]

I was like

Am I going in too late?

[rigid pilot]

Two lights after stab if you have PC4

[remote nebula]

revive shout has come in clutch in damnation sometimes, I was running some questionable psyker build and got downed a lot :x glad to have that vet in the team

[rigid pilot]

The last light isn't needed

[fleet garden]

im testing in the psykanium

[muted knot]

I just feel like it helps more in those really tight spots when half your team is down and the crushers are rolling in

[rigid pilot]

Debatable because if he had preshouted and gave everyone yellow maybe you wouldn't have went down

[fleet garden]

stab +one light does not kill a crusher

[remote nebula]

you underestimate my ability to make bad builds xD

[delicate estuary]

what blessings

[bright coyote]

i just use the built in stagger to rez people

[tranquil comet]

how bad is the 71% dmg? it seems ok otherwise

[fleet garden]

pc4 and brutal momentum on mk6

[muted knot]

You overestimate my Neuro activation when playing Darktide hahah

[rigid pilot]

You need some buffs, maybe some slaughterer, some melee damage etc, but you just follow up with light3 and they should die

[muted knot]

342 base power is just not that great sadly

Are you level 30 ?

[tranquil comet]

im mostly thinking mobility is a dump stat here

[fleet garden]

even with 7.5% dmg from focus I need stab+two lights

[muted knot]

I don't know the exact breakpoints

[tranquil comet]

base power is only as good as the stats that power actually consists of

[rigid pilot]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ADoFG58SGPwkq/spok?invite=cr-MSxiZ3EsMTk5OTY0MzA3LA

I had max slaughterer active though

[muted knot]

That's fair

[short wigeon]

regardless, point being is whether the revive is overall worth the point investment. which i'd say is overall a yes

[sharp ember]

shouldn't change a thing

[muted knot]

I have a hard time knowing the range of the Rez shout

[rigid pilot]

Or just shout and revive normally, revive shout has value if you revive more than 1 per shout

[placid portal]

No but loading buckshot will

[rigid pilot]

Oh understandable

[placid portal]

So you swap and load buck shot for effective 68% crit

[delicate estuary]

ok ok its push attack light light to kill crusher all headshots

there we go

[muted knot]

Wait so you kill a guy in melee, swap to the lawbringer, unload the special shot and then you shoot ?

[placid portal]

Ye

Effective vs hoardes

[muted knot]

So you actually shoot with the normal buck ?

[remote nebula]

I personally prefer the non-rez shout for the shorter cd and larger radius

[placid portal]

A mini frag if you will

[bright coyote]

are u using +30% weakspot damage passive? just curious

[delicate estuary]

I rolled unyielding for bosses

[placid portal]

Flechette manstopper turns lawbringer into a shredder grenade

[peak plinth]

is the vet skill tree doomed to be forever bad

[spare mountain]

Should I buy this for the blessing? Marks are limited and there are two other very good options competing with this

[rigid pilot]

Yes if you think so

[placid portal]

A skill tree issue but nothing grit and skill can overcome

[muted knot]

Are there any useable builds for the kantrael shotgun ?

[rigid pilot]

Brumo4 is worth it

[fleet garden]

ok with focus target buff it two shots

[rigid pilot]

Just change your playstyle up and use weapon specialist

[bright coyote]

insane roll on that, im jealous

[rigid pilot]

Most fun you will have as vet

[muted knot]

I really dig that keystone actually

Gives me that assault intercessor kind of vibe

[bright coyote]

i think the only thing thats true is that ranged vet is not as powerful as melee vet so if ur a shooty mc shoot guy shit feels bad rn

[fleet garden]

my roll

[delicate estuary]

left side keystone is fine atm

after the exhilarating takedown fix

[bright coyote]

bad is a strong word, ranged vet is still good

[rigid pilot]

Ranged vet has disgusting dps

It's just that you are more vulnerable

[bright coyote]

yes

[fleet garden]

if I take one 10% melee node then I can do consistent stab+one light to kill crushers

[rigid pilot]

Because no shout

[fleet garden]

or 5 stacks of focus

[delicate estuary]

yea my attempts were with left side keystone

[tranquil comet]

what weapon is this?

[delicate estuary]

so no melee buffs other than brutal

[rigid pilot]

Psword6

[delicate moat]

[delicate estuary]

???????

also good job bro

hide his name

but not that he left strike team

[bright coyote]

lmfaoo

[delicate estuary]

[delicate moat]

hey if they don't leave, won't get name shown

[delicate estuary]

what was said doesnt even make sense

how does you killing something when he is shrouded gets him killed

[delicate moat]

I don't understand that take

[delicate estuary]

I run shroud

[delicate moat]

Actually I don't think it was directed at me

[delicate estuary]

if I need cooldown I just backstab a trash mob

if there is nothing else

[delicate moat]

There was another shroud gamer

I think the other shroud out-shrouded this shroud user

[delicate estuary]

man I only type when people refuse to drop heal packs

what is this memery

[delicate moat]

This is the first time I've seen someone complaining about people actually killing things

[rigid pilot]

It's the cope before they realize their build/playstyle is bad

[delicate moat]

And you know, as per stealth knife zealot* tradition, they died so far away I coudn't even reach them

[astral blade]

had a fragging zealot with a revolver stealing all the fucking ammo called the idiot out man literally said "well kill something" kinda hard to "kill something" when ya got an ogryn's fat ass in the road blocking your shots

[delicate estuary]

climb on some boxes

[bright coyote]

just shoot into the teammates until they move out of the way

[delicate moat]

What's funny is that both stealth knife zealots went down far away

I had to solo a chaos spawn

[elfin fable]

shredder or krak

[delicate moat]

shrak

[junior needle]

If you use the good guns :^)

[astral blade]

shredder for hordes and krak for big targets

[delicate moat]

I really like shredder for higher difficulty

[delicate estuary]

just hit the head

easy solution

[umbral spoke]

for levelling is it better to do a support build or more dps?

[delicate estuary]

mk12 kills mutie in 3 shots depending on crits

and you need only 1 headshot

[junior needle]

k12 is a good gun

[astral blade]

literally every vets worse nightmare is having an ogryn teammates fat ass getting in the road of ya shots

am i wrong

[delicate moat]

levelling is even harder because you might need to carry with non-optimal gear

[junior needle]

Some guns have worse headshot dps than other guns bodyshot dps

[delicate estuary]

I only mind this during exe stance

trying to find a reset

[junior needle]

By like double

[astral blade]

this was during exe stance

[delicate moat]

When the ogryn starts to ADADADAD in front of your exec stance

[rigid pilot]

Yep columnus the patch 14 gun

[elfin fable]

competitive urge or bring it down, i need to free up a slot but idk which i like more lol im a bolter boy

[delicate estuary]

yea I go through the 5 stages of grief when that happens

[delicate moat]

what's better than one ogryn doing that? Make it three ogryn with shields

[serene sage]

Columnus is so weird

Like I am doing damage

But I don't feel like I'm doing damage

[rigid pilot]

I know that feeling

[fleet garden]

ye ogryns in party are pain

[bright coyote]

obviously use what you want but personally i would never take competitive urge even at gunpoint

[delicate moat]

ogryn is great if I bring shouty vet

[serene sage]

like i guess im doing well??

[robust mesa]

is the columnus that pog rn

[serene sage]

it's sort of like kickback on ogryn

[robust mesa]

I remember it being ass cheeks

[serene sage]

you just kinda do damage

without knowing what you actually did

[junior needle]

As you can see in my video, I'm getting nearly 2k bodyshot dps talentless at gray

[rigid pilot]

Everything you point at just evaporates

[junior grail]

Whose are we clappin?

[junior needle]

Yes, it is pog

[robust mesa]

Oh I had to just scroll up

[fleet garden]

get an ok base, get dum dum/fire frenzy/rakin fire

[junior needle]

It was buffed in patch 14

[robust mesa]

I might try

[junior needle]

Along with many other guns

[robust mesa]

what are good blessings for it?

Dumdum I'm assuming

[rigid pilot]

Columnus with marksman and exestance the real stuff

[junior needle]

(not recons, they got dumpstered)

[fleet garden]

preffer middle capstone for auric tbh

[bright coyote]

middle capstone is bae

[astral blade]

how did i do for my first game on today?

[fleet garden]

toughness regen with dmg and inc dmg on target is really good

[delicate estuary]

I Swear to god

I find anyone else left mouse button

for ping

and not disabling the new ping spam feature of fatshark

[delicate moat]

material pickup only 6, bad game

[delicate estuary]

vote kick

[delicate moat]

I had that multiple times already

I just leave + block

binding to LMB for ping is the most annoying thing one can do

[delicate estuary]

just do mouse wheel up or something

[vivid bolt]

Tbh I only spam ping when people don’t move the to the elevator

[astral blade]

imma be real here only time i start spam pinging is when my health is below 500 hp

[delicate estuary]

if there is loot to be had

I am not moving

[vivid bolt]

Loot sure

[delicate estuary]

no matter how many times you ping

[vivid bolt]

But I am the loot goblin who grabbed everything

[delicate moat]

yeah, but some of these people bind to left mouse button and repeat ping while shooting

[bright coyote]

i dont understand being impatient in the elevator

[vivid bolt]

That’s just

Fucking stupid

[delicate moat]

It's not an isolated incident either

[vivid bolt]

Because it’s a mission. That’s objective based.

[delicate moat]

I have had multiple people do that

[junior needle]

Compare and contrast the performance of the best dps recon by the same metric (79% is also max damage).

[delicate moat]

They must be infected by the blight

[vivid bolt]

Killing random enemies left behind is not important

[astral blade]

wait is spam pinging when you are downed and below 500 hp ok?

[delicate moat]

no

if u go down, u can stay down

[upper lichen]

how much extra atk speed am i really getting on a devils claw with desperado? 25% of the 11%

[trim steppe]

Is it any surprise that people are making tag more automatic when fatshark implemented a feature that rewards rapid tagging

[bright coyote]

im talking about picking up some plasteel

[vivid bolt]

If people haven’t reacted to you being down by then, have fun dying

[bright coyote]

30 seconds

oh no

[placid portal]

What if I ping roaming specials while down

[astral blade]

what about a dog or a trapper net?

[placid portal]

🤔

[delicate estuary]

no

[vivid bolt]

By the time ive touched the elevator, the plasteel has already been grabbed

[delicate moat]

Find better teammates

[bright coyote]

based

[vivid bolt]

Like yes grab plasteel but if your movement before getting to the elevator

[placid portal]

Lol

[vivid bolt]

Doesn’t already check for it

Skill issue

I’ve deadass sat

[delicate moat]

Imagine not knowing all the plasteel location and optimzing your sprinting routine

[vivid bolt]

In the elevator

[upper lichen]

spamming ping when you go down will make it more likely your team actively avoids picking you up

[vivid bolt]

Waiting for teammates to finish killing poxwalkers #158

[upper lichen]

oops wrong quote

[vivid bolt]

Literally

[bright coyote]

yeah i get u

[delicate moat]

You should be able to memorize all the materials location and develop the most efficient route by now

[trim steppe]

Does this silence teammates pings, or silence your own?

[delicate estuary]

well you are the exception because you will check but assuming we both meet in a pub if I see boxes unopened or plasteel not picked up paranoia sets in so I check everything from the side I didnt go through

[junior needle]

That's your finesse bonus to attack speed, not your actual attack speed. Assuming it works additively, you'd be doubling your bonus swing speed with a 12% asp boost.

[vivid bolt]

See this is fine

[delicate moat]

Usually the material checkers are not the last one in though

[vivid bolt]

Thirty seconds to grab plasteel, all g

[delicate moat]

It's the one guy meleeing every single trash

[vivid bolt]

Taking literally 2-3 minutes to melee garbage

[delicate estuary]

I wish it was only 30 seconds on my vet

[vivid bolt]

Is a what the fuck

[delicate estuary]

I dont run as fast as my zealot

😭

[vivid bolt]

I run hammer zealot

I’m never fast

[upper lichen]

yeah it feels substantial so that makes sense

[vivid bolt]

But it still takes less than a kinute

[delicate estuary]

to be honest a couple pings its fine

people get tunnelvisioned

but like 10+ spam

I will leave you there on principle

[upper lichen]

oh totally lol, but if i hear 5+ im going hmmm well if i have time

[vivid bolt]

Pinging the thing that downed you is super good tbh

[delicate moat]

sorry, you're staying down

[upper lichen]

yes pinging it, but spamming ping no

[vivid bolt]

Like “HEY HERES THE MAULER ON ME”

[rigid pilot]

Yea spamming is annoying

[delicate moat]

I can appreciate pinging the thing that downs you, but please do not full-auto-in-the-building ping

[vivid bolt]

Spamming is only to be done when people are not moving to the objective at all

Like excessively long tkmes

[bitter turtle]

sometime si ll spam ping multiple things if im trying to warn them there is a LOT of shit lol

[delicate moat]

The LMB ping binders be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyC-F_7QXtk

[bitter turtle]

but im pinging different things

[peak plinth]

are wounds worth it ?

[vivid bolt]

This is fair

[delicate estuary]

if youa re good enough no

[vivid bolt]

Like if there’s 4 crushers, 7 ragers and 5 majlers

I wanna know

[delicate estuary]

if you dont feel confident then run a single wound curio

[umbral scaffold]

Dodge and block

[upper lichen]

even that is like eh, if ur playing auric damnation it should just be assumed that if someone pings something its a giant mob lol

[umbral scaffold]

You don’t need twenty wounds to play

I don’t run any wounds if I go down more than twice that’s it

[vivid bolt]

Learn to dodge and you don’t need wounds

[delicate estuary]

but my martyrdom vet

[muted knot]

That is vile

[bitter turtle]

idk i even throw some runs trying to res ppl that are beyond help

cause i get in over my head

[upper lichen]

oh i absolutely tank runs going for rez that i shouldnt lol

[bitter turtle]

and dive into a mob pack too big to handle safely

[vivid bolt]

I always just ping the most dangerous or thing pressuring me the most

[bitter turtle]

the mass ping is just to try to help warn them its rEALLY bad lol

[vivid bolt]

Random gunner, sniper, mauler, etc

[umbral scaffold]

Instead of wounds consider max health, toughness or stamina. All that increases survivability better than wounds

[delicate moat]

I do that too, but I've gotten a lot better at accepting someone is unsalvageable and letting them go

[umbral scaffold]

All wounds do is “here’s hoping my teammates will pick my fat worthless arse back up and not die themselves too”

[junior needle]

It gets worse, here's the 2.

[vivid bolt]

2x tough, 1x hp is my go to

Or just 3x tough

[delicate estuary]

I just tell my pubs when I play zealot and overextend that tehre is no point and they should play for res instead

[upper lichen]

OMFG, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS. you just saved my sanity T_T

[vivid bolt]

But that’s cause I play zealot

[delicate moat]

On vet I use 2x stam + 1x toughness

[astral blade]

ya know its funny all it takes is 1 sniper to fuck over a team

[umbral scaffold]

Stamina is good especially if you use block

I’ve been trying to make a habit of blocking more

[vivid bolt]

If you run out of stamina that quick, skill issue

[trim steppe]

im usually using 2 hp and 1 stam

[serene sage]

assert your dominance, nade the fucker

[bitter turtle]

tickle fight

[umbral scaffold]

Feels pretty badass to turn around and perfectly block a melee attack from someone behind you

[vivid bolt]

Fun thing is you don’t need to turn

[azure karma]

love the stealth route just no good range it feels need like shreader or something viable that can kill since las pistol is the only other real mobile weapon to pair with the knife and it feels very bad atm

[vivid bolt]

Block is 360 degrees

[umbral scaffold]

I know but facing them costs less stamina

[bitter turtle]

columnus is pretty mobile

[umbral scaffold]

If you block attacks from behind it’ll drain more stamina

Plus it’s a flex

[bitter turtle]

can be a good spray weapon if you need it to

[vivid bolt]

dodging is also the better option tbh

just dodge smh

[delicate estuary]

I dont block attacks

I lead the horde

into my team

😎

[umbral scaffold]

I have preternatural dodge I’m pretty good at dodging I think

[vivid bolt]

true pro gamer strat

[midnight mortar]

Man, I look at this and then I look at the columnus and I weep in despair.

[trim steppe]

I've been playing for 100s of hours and I still want slide to dodge melee hits and it never does 😭

[vivid bolt]

Penance for dodging don’t mean anything tbh

[midnight mortar]

It's just like another recon only it shoots bullets instead...

[bitter turtle]

b-but recon has no recoil unlike columnus!

[muted knot]

Gonna give the Columnus a try today

[delicate estuary]

why does the horde have to be my problem when it can be everyones problem

[golden axle]

Time to invest some plasteel

[muted knot]

Brother

[vivid bolt]

Just maximizing efficient damage smh

[midnight mortar]

Hell, it's even stronger than the VId was at its height.

[muted knot]

It is not a problem

[midnight mortar]

Man.

[umbral scaffold]

Tzeentch Tip: shoot barrels next to your teammate to better reposition them

[vivid bolt]

God roll 100%

[serene sage]

yo this was using your build

[delicate estuary]

perfect roll

[muted knot]

It is a opportunity to show your devotion to the god emperor

[serene sage]

the entire game I feel like I don't do damage

[grand sable]

this worth nabbing from milk?

[serene sage]

until after the game where I can finally see the scoreboard

[delicate estuary]

always nab milk from melk

[bitter turtle]

lol

[serene sage]

it's funny

[golden axle]

efficiency and unarmoured can be rerolled so its very solid yeah

[midnight mortar]

Yeah the columnus has very little feedback for hits right?

[delicate estuary]

ye thats good 1 blessing and 1 perk needs rerolling

[midnight mortar]

It feels so... floaty?

[serene sage]

yeah

[grand sable]

cool

[junior needle]

The "no recoil" tax is apparently doing less than 1/3 the dps at best. Gap is even bigger on headshots. The shots still wander too, so it's not even "no recoil".

[serene sage]

it's just kinda goes

[grand sable]

thanks

[fleet garden]

press w and hold lmb

the game

[serene sage]

especially coming from the bolter

im just confused lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Uprising gaymeplay

[serene sage]

like you can do damage without ungodly recoil?

what is this sorcery

[midnight mortar]

The more I think about and use the columnus, the more I really think Fatshark just solely paid attention to meme videos about the VId.

[bitter turtle]

scary thing is

it actually can drops monstros under ideal conditions just as fasta s bolter too

[fleet garden]

problem is that if you want to be lore accurate, no las weapons can have recoil

but it feels very jarring to use tbh

[midnight mortar]

The columnus is stupidly fucking good for a weapon that performs the way a recon VId does.

[bitter turtle]

albiet not with my build

[serene sage]

it really does lmao

it because the bolter mag is low

not because the dps is higher

[bitter turtle]

but exec stance ones can tear through shit

[midnight mortar]

And it's effective at further ranges than the recons.

[muted knot]

Not confirmed but I'm not opening that barrel of fish again

[serene sage]

you need to stop and reload on Bolter

[midnight mortar]

Higher dps. Higher damage.

And thus more ammo efficient.

[serene sage]

but yeah Columnus can be my side chick

it's kinda fun

[bitter turtle]

the main difference between it and even pre-nerf VId is that even pre-nerf VId had atrocious maniac damage

[muted knot]

How bad is the recoil on the Columnus ?

[fleet garden]

I mean just going by science, I know this is fiction but lasers do not have recoil. Maybe if you go into railgun cathegory

[midnight mortar]

But FS apparently doesn't have any problems with the columnus.

[bitter turtle]

meanwhile columnus literally tears thorugh them

[hollow ibex]

what recoil?

[midnight mortar]

Despite the fact it's a better VId.

[midnight mortar]

Exactly.

[fleet garden]

but even if you take feedback when you shoot in a game, you need to have some feedback

it feels ass without it

[serene sage]

columnus sucks ass at killing carapace though

[umbral scaffold]

Pretty sure lasguns did have no recoil but play testers thought it felt off so fartshart added recoil

[serene sage]

idc what you try

suck is suck

[bitter turtle]

2k dps is ok

[serene sage]

it does base 100 damage

and 5 whole to carapace lmao

5

[azure karma]

it is a overchagred battery gun should not really have recoil

[serene sage]

FIVE

[bitter turtle]

people were harping on recon for killing carapace too well and it outdoes it

[muted knot]

Having no recoil would feel so very whack

[bitter turtle]

for a jack of all trades automatic-style weapon i think it does probably better than it should vs carapace

[umbral scaffold]

Yea personally recoil is part of the feed back of shooting

Even if it’s not realistic, so what it’s a game about fighting space gods

[azure karma]

that and feel as good as any of the other ranged and it would be fine but head hunter and infantry work better than the regular las gun revolver really does what pistol needs for less ammo

[fleet garden]

imagine using a laser pointer but bigger

its what a las wep is

[delicate estuary]

I want no recoil on bolter

[junior grail]

Isn't that possible only with Rending, Headhunter and Infernus

[muted knot]

I still want a bolt revolver in Darktide

[junior needle]

That's why you take onslaught

[delicate estuary]

still want ?

[umbral scaffold]

Gotta upgrade to the power armor for that then

[bitter turtle]

just rending, really

[delicate estuary]

we already have it

[muted knot]

My brother what

[bitter turtle]

which columnus abuses just as well with the firerate

[delicate estuary]

revolver can 1 shot headshot crushers on vet

[bitter turtle]

also crit strings

[delicate estuary]

you need anyhting more ?

[junior grail]

I'd say better actually

[bitter turtle]

since crit has inherent rending too

[muted knot]

Yes

[fleet garden]

I just melee crushers

[muted knot]

I want bigger pop when I pull the trigger

[fleet garden]

simple as

[robust mesa]

soldier

[junior needle]

Crit gives you larger damage multiplier, which I think is different from actual rending.

[muted knot]

This is not a reasoned request

[robust mesa]

69

could I get ur columnus build?

:)))

I didn't see itin the videos

[junior needle]

I didn't even have any talents on in them

[robust mesa]

just ur naked talent tree

[muted knot]

He was showing how good the gun is

Therefore no build

[junior needle]

I don't even use that gun

[robust mesa]

well

[junior needle]

[fleet garden]

left side and capstone for selfing crabwalk dps

[robust mesa]

someone

I wanna try it

[bitter turtle]

i posted one earlier

sec

[junior grail]

Back in VT2 there weren't many weapons without some for of armour pen iirc

[robust mesa]

thats a long way up

kekekeke

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4f8828f81e4b49a18efa7dabbba94be0.png

last 3 points go anywhere

you can deadshot if you like

i dont like it but it does add like 500 dps on carapace lol

[muted knot]

Imagine if veteran had reachable capstone's

[junior grail]

Imagine veteran

[muted knot]

How much do we really loose if we go for Krak instead of shredders ?

[delicate estuary]

1 point

[robust mesa]

That's the unbraced one I want too right?

[muted knot]

No I mean what do we loose talent wise ?

[bitter turtle]

yes, iag

[junior grail]

Shredder still good though, for cc

[serene sage]

You lose 1 point

[bitter turtle]

not braced

[muted knot]

Think so

[robust mesa]

What blessings should I shoot for

[bitter turtle]

i run dumdum/firefrenzy

flaniac for perks

[muted knot]

Kraks could help with maulers tho

Or carapace rather

[serene sage]

This is what I cooked up

[muted knot]

I would prefer not to rely on a teammate to kill carapace

[serene sage]

I just accept that I'm not killing Carapace

[bitter turtle]

lol

yeah that's fair

[serene sage]

Well I have Power Sword

So I can eye poke

[bitter turtle]

its not like the gun needs to kill crushers to b good

[junior needle]

Technically you could already kill them without needing anything, as crits would damage them. It just wasn't economical at all. With the old exploit weakness headhunter would speed up rending application and infernus did nothing there (but applies onslaught if you have it). Most took exploit and rending strikes.

[bitter turtle]

for me

i have to go down right to get recip and desperado anyway for knife

[umbral scaffold]

This is how it is for me, I always bring a weapon capable of dealing with carapace because my philosophy is that I’m going to possibly have to fight everything by myself

[junior grail]

Doesnt it take about a clip and a half in base form?

[bitter turtle]

so i might as well pick up onslaught anyway

[delicate estuary]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a91079c-fa12-4388-9f28-522cb5e59cf9/sharpshooter-vet

with this I click crushers for like 500-600 damage per headshot

[midnight mortar]

This is pretty much on par with the old VId.

Oh the irony.

[bitter turtle]

ya its basically the same as old vid builds

[serene sage]

Cool build!

[midnight mortar]

Maybe I should make a video showcasing the columnus so Fatshark can nerf it into the ground too.

[serene sage]

I'm just looking to make the Columnus work rn though

I already have a "main" build that can solo carry pugs games

[delicate estuary]

columnus you want to go specialist probably and get onslaught

I tried the tag keystone

but feels off

[junior needle]

Gray and talentless? Pretty sure it took considerably more than that even back when vet had 10% crit by default and the recons had ungutted crit strings. It's been awhile though.

I can test it again

[junior grail]

I've tasted Revolver Weapon Specialist. I cannot go back

[muted knot]

I was basically only using the Kantrael lasgun for a long time but it kind of falters too much if things get tight imo

[muted knot]

Oh yes

[junior grail]

Hold on, Vet default crit was nerfed??

[junior needle]

Went from 10% to 5% with the talent patch as far as I'm aware

[serene sage]

This is why they keep buffing the damn thing patch after patch

[daring peak]

how can this revolver be imporved?

[serene sage]

If they nerf it people will riot

[junior grail]

Man Vet cannot catch a break, huh

[muted knot]

Point blank seems meh to me

[daring peak]

this sword too, while we're at it

[bitter turtle]

pretty sure you want surgical over point blank

[grand sable]

you mean

[muted knot]

It's just so much easier to trigger

[robust mesa]

neither of those blessings I have been forsaken by the RNG gods

[daring peak]

right, i guessed so

[robust mesa]

Plasteel farming begins anew

[junior grail]

Oh wait is Point Blank good for weapon specialist volver?

I've been running Cruciate and Handcannpn

[terse idol]

Oh which Dclaw is good the IV, or the VII?

[astral blade]

psykers are meant to be the experts of crowd control?

[vivid bolt]

Switch crit chance to flak and point blank to surgical

[midnight patrol]

Yes and no, some builds you straight up murder the crowds lol

[junior grail]

Almost on par with Rykens new vids of build intros

[muted knot]

Skull crusher seems less than optimal to me

[tulip condor]

sounds like crowd control

[delicate estuary]

no need to control the crowd if you burn it to death

[terse idol]

Wasn't the whole Chain lightning just very good for dealing with hordes?

Oh actually now that ya mention it it makes sense with all the AOE they get

[vivid bolt]

Smite is more a

Stun the dangerous fucks

[terse idol]

truue

[junior grail]

I control them by making them dead. Gun Psyker here

[delicate estuary]

1 horde is literally one venting shriek soulblaze

[vivid bolt]

Smite realistically should not be used 24/7

[midnight patrol]

Is that what's considered CC? My understanding is the fire and lighting that stun locks is considered CC

Murdering is considered add clear?

[vivid bolt]

The best crowd control is a dead crowd tbh

[midnight patrol]

Same.

Assail and mkV gunker here

[junior grail]

Sibling

[tulip condor]

Its like doing stealth missions. you can be sneaky or you can leave no one left alive to compromise you

[junior grail]

Knock the crowd dead! Wait no, not literally!!

[midnight patrol]

Sometimes my gunker likes passing off my Vet by becoming a designated marksman like her lol

[umbral scaffold]

“Crowd control” is a fancy way of saying frag grenade

[muted knot]

Soviet doctrine

[daring peak]

well yeah absolutely but what would ireplace it with

[midnight patrol]

Pick up a Vraks. Spool up the ability that gives free 20% crit chance and finesse over time

[delicate moat]

man weapon customization unfortunately seems to crash me quite often

I'll just have to use weapons with not shit ironsights and scopes

[gritty dock]

onslaught works very well on Columnus, I checked it today

[midnight patrol]

The later builds are more stable I think?

[umbral scaffold]

Make sure your Darktide mod framework is updated

[delicate moat]

oh shit I think I forgor about this

[junior grail]

I just put on a scope and thats it, don't wanna tamper with anything that may crash

[junior needle]

Strange, the recons are doing a very small amount of damage to carapace on headshots despite the inspect saying otherwise. Gray and talentless.

[midnight patrol]

Also yeah mod framework needs updooting

[junior grail]

As much as I lover weapon customisation mod, there should really be less frequent updates and more stable builds we can fall back to

[junior grail]

I feel that

[umbral scaffold]

I got a sniper scope on my helbore im enjoying the mod

Well more like the 40k equivalent of an acog

[bitter turtle]

you can run it with anything

[junior grail]

Would it be broken if Vet can attack while infiltrated without revealing

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve been told the columnus is a pretty good all rounder for the vet

[midnight patrol]

You using the stock FoV or modified it with a more practical zoom?

[umbral scaffold]

How to change this and I haven’t modified it on my pc yet I was at my gfs house and installed the new one for her

Far away from home tho

[midnight patrol]

It's like a MP5 or P90. It's a very solid zoom PDW

[astral blade]

would be nice if vet can revive without it breaking stealth

[midnight patrol]

IIRC the modding Discord fellas said you need to look for the individual FoV values in the mod files and edit it

[midnight mortar]

Columnus is a generalist weapon.

[midnight patrol]

I'll need to ask them which line of the code is it

[umbral scaffold]

If it’s just a xml file it won’t be too hard

[junior grail]

Just thinking of ways to make Infiltrate preferable over Voice of Command

[umbral scaffold]

Just open up hit ctrl f and type in fov

[midnight patrol]

Infiltrate is very very good with left tree keystones

It gives you around 10-15 seconds of uninterrupted designated marksman support with each Infil pop

[midnight mortar]

Well, Infiltrate does let you sneak low angle pictures of what's under Hadron's robes. So there's that.

[junior grail]

Thats a lot of points to invest though hahaha

[midnight patrol]

Gotta specialise a lot yeah alas.

[woven olive]

a generalist weapon until i use the onslaught perk then its the crusher slayer

[umbral scaffold]

What

This is how you become a toilet servitor

[midnight mortar]

😏

[midnight patrol]

But it's a super liberating feeling to be a literal active camo squad sniper that picked off the 10 scab and dred gunners 50 meters across the amphitheater in the Carnival. And they never even shot in your direction once.

[junior grail]

Has anyone made a fuckable tierlist yet for Darktide? Hahaha

[delicate moat]

meanwhile teammates: getting shot to bits

[umbral scaffold]

My character would be the most fuckable it wouldn’t be fair to anyone else

[woven olive]

OGRYN....just....god they must have such a large DONG

[midnight patrol]

"If they die. They die"

[junior grail]

What about the armoury servitor

[upper lichen]

roflmao i can confidently say ive never seen a 0% roll before

[junior needle]

Takes 7 mags to kill a crusher gray and talentless on a 6d with 100% (or near) headshot uptime. About a minute of shooting

[umbral scaffold]

BOC

[junior grail]

I'll stick to my Kantrael Lasgun hahaha

[delicate moat]

ah crap i accidentally wiped my mod load order

[junior grail]

I thought you said you "accidently wiped your load"

[delicate moat]

smh

[midnight patrol]

Fun fact, with deadshot talent, and surgical and deadly accurate on a Vraks mk7, you can 4 to 5 crit headshot a Crusher quite reliably

[junior grail]

Coming from someone infiltrating into Hadrons skirt

[midnight patrol]

It's useful for saving nades when there's a crusher already dancing with one of your better dodging squad mates

[junior grail]

Oh no doubt vraks 7 is no joke

[midnight patrol]

Although a crusher dancing is likely not showing their head. Body shot critics take a bit longer

[junior grail]

You infiltrate with that too?

[midnight patrol]

Infil helps for sure

But ice been using VoC a lot because my friends keep wanting me to use it lol.

Specifically with the ability to shoot people back up

[junior grail]

I saw ChocoB run Marksman Focus with Bolter... I... Ive never been so scared

[midnight patrol]

Having to carry 50-70 hours new friends with their level 20 chars

[midnight patrol]

It can work

On Damnation it's a guaranteed one tap headshot. Against anything

Even Maulers and Crushers are at most a single crit focus headshot

[gusty bison]

Except bosses

[delicate estuary]

you can one shot body shot most stuff

with bolter

[gusty bison]

Ye marksman feels a bit wasted on bolter simply cos the bodyshot BP is there

[midnight patrol]

Yes and no? You can have a bit of trouble reliably one tapping gunners

Gunners have so much health for a more common elite

[gusty bison]

Nah gunners are a clean 1 tap if ur going left

Cos u pick up +15% elite and that pushes u over the top

[midnight patrol]

Maulers are also especially tricky

[delicate estuary]

just magdump or 2-3 body shots

[grand sable]

triple loner zealot lobby

[gusty bison]

Maulers are a 2 tap body

[grand sable]

fuck that

[delicate estuary]

bolter is absolutely fine to use atm

its just revolver is broken

[midnight patrol]

Yeah, matches up to my testing and gameplay then

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver is fine

[midnight patrol]

Revolver is okay honestly

[bitter turtle]

revolver needs more buffs

[delicate estuary]

1 shot crusher is ok

[umbral scaffold]

I think 5 slow to load shots should be insanely powerful in the 41st millennium

[gusty bison]

Well

[vivid bolt]

what weapons & keystones smh

[gusty bison]

Its not slow to load atm.

[vivid bolt]

Loner is literally a travel node

[umbral scaffold]

Just cause he’s big doesn’t mean blowing he’s brains out would be less effective

[vivid bolt]

For point saving

[gusty bison]

The main thing is atm the revolver doesnt need to reload

Ever

[midnight patrol]

Revolver is powerful because of right keystone tbh

Uses a very specific playstyle, which rewards pretty much any high single shot damage weapon

Revolver just has that insane cleave so lull

[gusty bison]

With a fast swap speed

Bolter on right keystone is meh

[grand sable]

revolver knives and shroudfield

[vivid bolt]

Which melee

[midnight patrol]

.. Shroudfield.

Yeaaah no.

[delicate moat]

😨

[grand sable]

knife

[gusty bison]

Enjoy taking all the aggro

All of it

[midnight patrol]

You'll be left alone with three headless chickens getting downed three rooms ahead lmao

[grand sable]

london sim

[vivid bolt]

tbh shroud is sorta busted for dps

[midnight patrol]

Now I am a bit curious. What happens to all the gunners in a room of a full squad of 4 infiltrate vets pop stealth

[bitter turtle]

same as all other enemies

they just chill

[midnight patrol]

I know the poxwalkers don't care. But shooters are so far away

[grand sable]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[vivid bolt]

can guarantee literally 6 critical hammer specials a minute

[bitter turtle]

if you pop infiltrate as the last one up its the same thing

they just chill and stand there

[midnight patrol]

Lol nice

Guardmans with active camo cloaks just stealth sniping their way through heretics sounds like Tempetus Scion roleplaying

[muted knot]

I feel like scions just pop the heads of everything in range im the first seconds of deploying and go on as if nothing happend

[umbral scaffold]

Scions are built different but are they any different than a vet with a FA gun and ex stance?

Maybe faster and tankier because of carapace

[fleet garden]

"maybe"

[orchid nova]

So is ET actually fixed or not?

[fleet garden]

it is

[orchid nova]

Noice

[serene sage]

We don't know, though I wouldn't suggest fixing them before we know how they actually reproduce

[midnight mortar]

The human version of that Astartes animation, yeah.

Not quite as fast at killing, but just as thorough and methodically efficient.

[muted knot]

Well we are some criminals who got put in a quasi penal Legion and scions are groomed to be perfect soldiers from a very young age

[orchid nova]

Scions are better equipped for one

like

They get carapace armor

[fleet garden]

gimme carapace armor and a better wep

[midnight patrol]

They likely have the twitch reflexes like the few hundred hour players here

[fleet garden]

id never die

[orchid nova]

Tend to be over-rated as far as combat goes

[umbral scaffold]

You have a point but I think the high level vets are definitely Scion tier, we now just need some grail knight tier bullshit and boom. Veteran scions

[orchid nova]

They're not that good

Kasrkin though

That's another story

[sharp ember]

tell that to our great value brand powerswords, purchased in bulk

[midnight patrol]

Seamlessly popping heads with mk12s and Helbores, then swapping to PS to kill poxes in the dozens

[muted knot]

In the third eisenhorn novel, he describes working along cadias kasrkin and he talks about how god damn insane they function to the point where they scare him

[fleet garden]

ratling when

or longlas atleast

[orchid nova]

Inquisitorial stormtroopers are basically glorified cannon fodder that come out of scholas

Very indoctrinated

[astral blade]

what you class as scion tier vets?

[orchid nova]

IN theory, decently good

[sharp ember]

give 'em the ol kasrkin doubletap

[orchid nova]

But for the most part

Just pretty nonces in carapace with hellguns

[umbral scaffold]

I meant players who are good* no offense to the bad players

[fleet garden]

he meant git gud

smh

[orchid nova]

Vast majority of scions are fresh meat with too much schola and not enough shooting

[umbral scaffold]

I think the fact I’m sliding around dodging gunfire earns me the right to carry a hell gun and some carapace armor

[astral blade]

well i defs come under the scion tier vets than

[junior needle]

Had to convert the original video, way too big. Was actually 6 mags, which is still pretty bad.

[midnight patrol]

Well.. we do have Cara armor cosmetics

[orchid nova]

Sorta

[midnight patrol]

And with some builds you can be surprisingly tanky

[orchid nova]

Half-cara

Like, Carapace armor and what it's supposed to look like is very inconsistent

[junior grail]

Lasts for one whole swing! If it comes with the limited edition Power Cycler, maybe even 3!

[orchid nova]

It has that problem a lot of designs do where the only difference between carapace and flak is that the thighs are covered

[umbral scaffold]

Fair enough but we get the carapace for veterans (that apparently a lot of them turn down cause it’s too heavy and they don’t be lifting)

[midnight patrol]

A few of our high end helmets are Cara plate

[umbral scaffold]

Also fat shark cosmetics look a little goofy

[junior grail]

Saddest thing I've seen all day

[midnight patrol]

And the red camo pattern chest plate in the cosmetics store is Cara grade too

I forget the name.

If we could recolor the armour but keep the model that would be baller

[junior grail]

Ugly grade too

I saw the green version in cosmetics mod WAY better

[fleet garden]

sun scorch camo

[midnight patrol]

I want black carapace with urban camo undersuit

Urban combat Vet

[junior grail]

Batman is that you?

[serene sage]

Yeah it's what I gathered as well, I dip a little onto the left side

[junior grail]

Oh no its Konrad

[midnight patrol]

Well..

[serene sage]

But mostly middle

[gusty bison]

No more different than a Ranger/Commando is from an Infantry guy

[fleet garden]

perma exe stance with middle capstone is the shit

[serene sage]

Nightlord aesthetics is chef kiss

But their lore is dogshit

[midnight patrol]

Hmm.. How do you get enough points to hit both?

Gotta give up regen Krak nades?

[junior grail]

Not even sure what happened to Terra born Nightlords

[umbral scaffold]

We are the commando guys. Give me hell gun now

[serene sage]

Idk how the Exec Stance people are surviving

[gusty bison]

I generally recommend rebinding quick swap to one of your additional mouse buttons if you have one

for that build

Saves your fingers a lot

[fleet garden]

yep

[orchid nova]

Mostly just holding down M1 and spraying everything that has a gun

[midnight patrol]

With ET and CK you can be quite survivable

[midnight patrol]

Jeez. This is very risky.

[junior grail]

Thats the neat part, ya don't

[gusty bison]

I mean ET just got fixed. Thats a big one

[serene sage]

I kean for forced melee combats

Like the hourglass map

Where you have to gather battery cells

Or the new map beginning

[gusty bison]

Mousewheel is awkward cos scrolling actually gets painful when u keep doing it

[serene sage]

Where you can't just sit still and shoot

[gusty bison]

but like a thumb button you can press all day

[fleet garden]

do we have an online talent planner?

[gusty bison]

Since it actually isnt that frequent

[fleet garden]

ill link my build

[junior grail]

I can't panic when I'm bopping so hard to the beat

[serene sage]

There's the game lantern site

[delicate estuary]

fairly simple headshot everything on site that isnt an horde, nade the horde that is running at you from behind 3 shot the crushers and maulers

[serene sage]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[fleet garden]

ty

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aac1056-623b-409f-93f0-64cb68a34a7b

thats what I use atm

[umbral scaffold]

Where do the scab gunners get their volley guns from. I know they’re not traitor scions because they have flak, did the moebians kill their scions?

[midnight patrol]

I was quite surprised how effective two frags, from twins or manually tossing twice is

Can kill entire rager swarms before they delete the HP of the squad

Then PS the stragglers

[serene sage]

#veteran-class message

[midnight patrol]

Crushers are still total asses tho.

[serene sage]

I love Tinkered Frag

[midnight patrol]

Tedious as hell to have to PS poke them.

[fleet garden]

also had some variations without capstone and taking vanguard, out for blood and confirmed kill

[serene sage]

Is there any weapon that has 100% damage modification against Carapace?

Before you say Revolver, I hate you

[midnight patrol]

Sometimes they lock onto the Carapace helmet of the Mauler infront of them instead of the Crushers lol

That hurts so much.

[serene sage]

As your resident bolter user sadly I can't relate

[junior grail]

If grenade tinkerer increases aoe of krak too, thatd be swell

[fleet garden]

glass cannon life

[umbral scaffold]

If kraks are magnetic they should latch onto what’s got the most metal on it. So crushers would take priority due to having more mass of carapace than a crusher

[midnight patrol]

If the swap speed was faster, I would love using the bolter

[midnight mortar]

Been meaning to read those. Doesn't surprise me at all though. I know what I'm aiming to be in Darktide.

[fleet garden]

gimme 4 more points and I can have out for blood, confirmed kill and two w/e nodes

[junior grail]

One day with Bolt Pistol

[midnight patrol]

I just love the quick reaction swaps with the headhunters alas.

So anything not crushers just get dem headshots

[pale lotus]

I guess it could just be their regiment's favored squad weapon

[serene sage]

Or just buff the Bolter draw speed 😦

[umbral scaffold]

Just get rid of the priming animation for the bolter there is no reason to cock the action back if there’s already a round in the chamber

Rejects just ejecting valuable bolt shells every time they whip out their bolter

[midnight mortar]

They likely had them in their armories. They're a decorated regiment fighting the Fringe War for decades if not centuries.

[midnight patrol]

The more normal volley guns are standard 'lmg' kit for guardsmen regiments. So I think it's fair the Moebian 6th have them

[muted knot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aac127b-4e4a-4431-a78d-a0a9a6f07b67

Is this somewhat close to what I want ?

[umbral scaffold]

I thought they were exclusive to scions my bad but I’d like to see traitor scions at one point

The 6th are the elite they should have some scions attached

[midnight mortar]

Yeah no, they're not that exclusive.

Just specialized equipment.

[gusty bison]

Time to try out a new plasma build

[midnight patrol]

I can see why the 6th give Scion vibes. Their helmets use the same auspex systems

[midnight mortar]

Also keep in mind that many different planets have Scion-equivalent levels of training/gear for their Guards regiments.

Scions do not only come from the Schola.

[midnight patrol]

It still throws me off how professional the 6th are at times

[umbral scaffold]

Except for maulers and crushers we don’t see the typical carapace armored super soldiers tho

[midnight mortar]

Grenadiers in Krieg armies, Catachan Devils, Steel Legion storm troopers, are all examples of Scion equivalent troops.

[arctic hull]

Hey guys what is the best kantrael lasgun for vets atm?

is it still XII?

[delicate estuary]

IA and 4

are also good

[midnight patrol]

Mg1a is very competitive now

The rate of fire and damage buff, recoil pattern buff makes it a very good all purpose rifle

[delicate estuary]

you will find more consistency in IA right now due to the density increases but if you can keep head tapping on time the mk12 is still better

[midnight mortar]

If you can reliably headshot, the XII is still the fastest TTK. If you bodyshot more often, the MGIa will give you higher dps than the XII for a marginally slower TTK.

They're both viable though.

[arctic hull]

Hmm, which kantrael can make the best use of deadshot?

[midnight patrol]

Mk 12

[delicate estuary]

best mk12 but all of them ca use it

[midnight patrol]

You're trying to shoot the least you need with deadshot

[arctic hull]

i run triple stamina curios so i shred when i use autoguns

[midnight mortar]

Best suited to the 12.

[midnight patrol]

But the Mg1a works very well

So does the mkIV

The mkIV is the new recon imo

It has just enough punch, okayish recoil pattern and rate of fire to be used as a lasgun assault rifle

[bold bridge]

Just get full auto mod with it.

[midnight patrol]

Also one of the few single headshot weapons at range that can have up to 500 usable shots with

So that's funni

[junior needle]

the sights on the 4 still bounce too much for my liking even with max stability and deadshot/volley up

[midnight patrol]

Yeah, you can't truly full auto reliably everything into someone's head at range

[junior needle]

That said it's definitely the better recon alternative

[midnight patrol]

But when you have a maniac rager rushing you down

[brave verge]

380 lasgun
sub 70 damage rating
pain

[midnight patrol]

You'll appreciate the one second TTK lol

[junior needle]

Well, unless it's a flak rager

The flak damage on the infantry lasguns blow for body shots

[midnight patrol]

Yeah if it's a flak rager you better get some headshots lmao

Otherwise pray your PS skills are up to snuff

[junior needle]

Although it's a niche approach, since you're presumably crit fishing with the gun already, you CAN take onslaught/infernus for rending

[delicate estuary]

cant decide what to run on lasguns for perks

5% crit or flak

[brave verge]

probably flak

much more consistent

[delicate estuary]

5% crit makes headhunter

be more consistent

[brave verge]

normal las or recon

[delicate estuary]

which on average probably is more damage

[midnight patrol]

I'm not too sure if the points invested to make onslaught work is better than choosing Krak grenade points

[delicate estuary]

normal

[brave verge]

still probably flak

[midnight patrol]

Since your mkIV will still reliably kill anything not a flak rager or Crusher

[junior needle]

For infantry las, they already have amazing maniac damage. You could either shore that up more or try to salvage their shit flak damage. 5% crit is more if you're maxxing crit fishing

[midnight patrol]

Maulers are slow enough for you just to normally chew them up with full auto fire

[delicate estuary]

@junior needle I prefer the maniac one cause sometimes flamers survive headshots

[midnight patrol]

Can confirm they will reliably survive 10 ish meter headshots

Just not quite enough damage from the range damage passive talents at that close range

[delicate estuary]

and I Am talking

left side vet mk12 headshots

[midnight patrol]

Oh. Okay lol

[delicate estuary]

not aiming down sights

[midnight patrol]

They survive mkIV easily

[delicate estuary]

sometimes I have to hipfire them

cause horde

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, on a k12 then breakpoints would be most important

[delicate estuary]

flak ragers aint an issue either cause I just throw frag nade and swap to my PS or shovel

but sometimes flak gunners need to be bodyshot and it takes too fucking long

[midnight patrol]

But yeah. I still wish Vets got naturally more points

I know FS don't want us to be more flexible. But I want it ;w ;

[urban steppe]

i need a name for this bad boy

[bitter turtle]

idk what im looking at

[topaz lance]

Honestly I'm not sure if that is even their intention. To me it almost feels like they created to many talent nodes initially and are reluctant to remove/merge them.

[serene sage]

My hot take is that they will leave everything as is

Nothing changed

And now honestly I'm kinda okay with it

[urban steppe]

you watching on bolter

[serene sage]

I think we are enough

[bitter turtle]

i just want one thing

just one

remove born leader

that

is it

[serene sage]

Yeah I can get behind this

[bitter turtle]

like if they're gonna nerf ck

[serene sage]

And that stupid suppression node

[bitter turtle]

just delete it, it was trash EVEN BEFORE that

[sharp ember]

chunky gun straight outta planetside 2

[serene sage]

And that stupid team regen node

[wanton dawn]

I AM A BORN LEADER

[topaz lance]

I keep saying this but remove 6-9 nodes and the tree is fine

2-3 from each branch