#veteran-class

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south vessel
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so powered up doesn't give infinite cleave, or does it need the weakspot damage?

mystic belfry
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Cleave reduces damage each target you hit (and no it's not infinie)

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Brutal momentum bypasses normal cleave limits

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You will hit four enemies with your full damage if lines up and hit in the head, and then your normal cleave calculations take over

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So it horde clears faster than any other option, and has a little weakness damage to help your single target combo against crushers and whatnot

south garnet
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Crushers more like gushers cause of my 4 tinker frags I lay like eggs

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... LMAO!

mystic belfry
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Someone's been smoking the krak instead of throwing it

junior grail
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I was with one smoke player recently, they were good and probably helped disable some shooters but its still really annoying that our teams vision is impaired as well.

Its like a player-induced Ventilation Purge

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Hope that enemies in smoke get their outlines highlighted or something

mystic belfry
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You can manage with the lower visibility

south vessel
mystic belfry
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But on the same note, you shouldn't chuck a smoke for no reason either

mystic belfry
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This is genuinly the best sword I've managed and I've spent a good bit on it lol

south vessel
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I dunno how much difference the lower cleave targets will make, but I was very happy to get Power Cycler IV on like my 3rd upgraded one

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I did have a bunch of good base rolls sitting in my inv

junior grail
mystic belfry
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It's nice, but your main things are damage, finese, then cleave damage

Getting like 60% mobility for your fourth dodge is good too

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After than then cleave targets is nice

mystic belfry
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Follow the laser and ping, or follow the noise and ping

south vessel
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Well, I'll wield it in yours and the Emperor's name :)

junior grail
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Doable normally, harder when during a horde and event

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Bombers are of particular strife

grim oak
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i need a bolt pistol

junior grail
grim oak
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how long is the line

junior grail
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Yes

grim oak
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ok, thank you for such useful info

junior grail
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Welcome

civic knot
ivory rock
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ye just cause it's a revolver focused build n I wanna reload n keep firin fast

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For most rifles n such tho I just run exil takedown now that it aint bugged af

tall torrent
civic knot
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whats bricked mean

atomic zephyr
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fucked

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trashed

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hadron dumpstered it

civic knot
tall torrent
civic knot
ruby totem
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I like it in niche situations

civic knot
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This is good right? dmg differance wont be that big cause its already kinda low

viscid marlin
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No, but the 30% weakpoint damage from the tree does.

ruby hull
viscid marlin
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i guess if you want to do it that way

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i usually don't find the need

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the stabby stab does pretty well

ruby hull
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?

viscid marlin
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i stab packs of maniacs to death all the time with it

ruby hull
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No I mean it literally buffs itself

viscid marlin
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oh

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wait what

ruby hull
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You get a kill with bayonet and it triggers the melee half of agile engagement

viscid marlin
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that's.. pretty dope actually

ruby hull
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Since you have the gun out already

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You just get 25% more damage on the bayonet

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Forever

viscid marlin
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might have to take that now

ruby hull
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The attack speed buff and close range damage feats in right tree also affect bayonet

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It's silly damage

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Can 2 shot a dreg rager

viscid marlin
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hmmmmmm

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good to know

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thanks 😄

ruby hull
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I was hoping for more stagger and even more damage from falter and unrelenting

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But sadly they only apply to shots, not stabs

midnight mortar
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Best keep quiet about this. Fatshark will likely nerf it.

ruby hull
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Why it's not like it's practical 😉

midnight mortar
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Mm yes, very impractical. Niche even.

vital saddle
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Only way this could be better is with 10% more dmg ofc still need to fix the perks

civic knot
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good roll?

junior grail
civic knot
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is the roll good otherwise? my gut is telling me yes

junior grail
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Stopping Power could be better but yea

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You're gonna run circles around Ragers

civic knot
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oh wait is that a figure of speech xD

junior grail
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More like the Laspistol gonna make fast af boi

civic knot
junior grail
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Infernus is good, laspistol crits often enough

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If you're using Onslaught talent, even better as burn procs it supposedly

gilded lynx
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How's Infernus on the Kantrael Ia Lasrifle?

fleet garden
gritty mirage
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is it me

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or did the hotfix break something

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im literally having 3 second lag

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muties running in place, then sudden rubberband and everything lightspeed lol

fleet garden
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check your need via speedtest, check your dns settings, flush dns, change dns to cloudflare, restart game+steam

gritty mirage
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hmmm i could try that, game was running smoothly before

gentle prawn
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Fellas I'm struggling to decide on a good melee weapon for vet

gritty mirage
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most ppl go power sword it seems, but im a big fan of the chainsword pikahmm

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i hear shovels got a buff too, the only bad one is chainaxe honestly

fleet garden
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Power sword mk6, devil claw 4, knife, some axe

gentle prawn
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uncharged power sword feels like a wet noodle

gritty mirage
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ah yea devil claw for blocks

fleet garden
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dont know what axe is the best though

gentle prawn
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they did my ol power sword dirty, it was OP as hell in the beta

forest blaze
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With PC4 it’s good 😂

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And PC3 it’s pretty good

ember vessel
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Best perks for shovel?

bright ocean
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lol, this is beautiful Melk. Wtf. lol

fleet garden
bright ocean
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lol

willow badger
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bolter fun but its lowkey a sniper

junior grail
fleet garden
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that psword is ok if you dont have anything else

teal abyss
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What do shredder and penetration do on the chain sword?

fleet garden
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shredder is for rev

teal abyss
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Nvm

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Thank you, found out you could hover in inspect lol my bad

junior grail
gentle prawn
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so how is power sword mk 6 better than 3?

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seems like mk 6 just has two more to its light chain

junior grail
fleet garden
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and ye the push stab is really good

junior grail
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I use both power swords tbh

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Mk3 when I'm lazy, mk6 when I'm sweaty

bright ocean
willow badger
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what do

fleet garden
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ye cleave is garbage and blessings are meh but if you dont have anything else it can work

fleet garden
bright ocean
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pure hilarity

haughty summit
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on revolver should i run maniac, carapace, or unarmored?

fleet garden
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maniac and flak

haughty summit
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ty

midnight mortar
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I really need to stop thinking "Maybe this time this knife zealot won't end up being a liability" in aurics.

midnight wing
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lol

midnight mortar
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Every time I decide to give one a chance, they end up choking and never pulling their weight.

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Wasting 20 minutes of my energy.

gentle prawn
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idk why anyone would play knife zealot when big hammer exists

vital saddle
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now to roll a mk2

golden axle
vital saddle
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indeed

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hadron stopped being a b

golden axle
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hadron let that slip outta the pile of good stuff accidentally

lilac kayak
vital saddle
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i know its gunna hurt a bit

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cant say no to those other stats tho

golden axle
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at least its a helbore so a lotta of recoil is gonna involve reaquiring targets anyway

lilac kayak
vital saddle
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seeing as it does affect mag size

sharp epoch
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shocktrooper puts ammo back in mag right

vital saddle
sharp epoch
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so it dump stat

atomic zephyr
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the psyker shields are so stupid lmao

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played a round with two shield psykers, one bubble and one barrier

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actual point and click game

vital saddle
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that's assuming u crit so much and often u don't really crit as often without letting it stack but also without opening salvo

grim oak
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id love to fight some orks

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although, that may be a shitshow

lilac kayak
junior grail
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I wish we could slide while holding bayonet and continue running

dark sorrel
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what perk?

vital saddle
dark sorrel
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was that you lmao

atomic zephyr
dark sorrel
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Ankalis?

atomic zephyr
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YEAH

junior grail
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Reminds me of Kruber with Beastman spear being able to run faster holding heavy

atomic zephyr
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HI

dark sorrel
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HULLO

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My wrists hurt

atomic zephyr
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that was a hell of a fuckin round

dark sorrel
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HISTG Damnation hurts so bad now

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Could barely even go for plasteel 😭

atomic zephyr
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535 plasteel at the end bruh

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99% of my auric histgs have been either close or outright failures so at least that changed

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im gonna chill out and go play something else after that tho

willow badger
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bolter low key fkn slaps

atomic zephyr
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i dont like the boltgun that much

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too slow and clunky

willow badger
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that feeling when you got like a bunch of crushers in a hallway

atomic zephyr
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that's true. nothing beats that.

willow badger
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and just dump a full auto mag of boltrounds

robust mesa
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how do some of yall have sights on your weapons

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tf

fleet garden
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mods

dark sorrel
delicate moat
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i feel like HISTG might be harder than maelstrom with the average teammate

robust mesa
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i thought yall got some like

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fatshark underground exec skins or some shit

dark sorrel
delicate moat
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and people shooting bursters when someone else is shoving

robust mesa
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Just kite them into your teammates and let them deal with it

delicate moat
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happens way too often

robust mesa
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tired of getting blown up on shove

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worst that happens is that they get boomed and not u 🙂

pearl sapphire
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Changed out the perks but I could kiss Melk rn

tulip condor
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nice. rarely see melk offer something worth keeping

gentle prawn
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Onslaught and surgical seem kinda at odds with each other dontcha think

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Would it be better to fire slower and crit every time, or a bit faster and crit most times

stray storm
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Thoughts y’all?

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Worth my milk coins?

grand pewter
jolly jetty
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I wonder if there's any future plans to squash vet's skill trees so you dont have to stretch so far to get to the keystones lol

gentle prawn
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yeah vets tree seems like the longest for sure

stray storm
tulip condor
grand pewter
gentle prawn
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started running helbore with a scope today and its pog

grand pewter
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Yeah those perks are pretty solid if youre confident in your headshots

jolly jetty
# gentle prawn yeah vets tree seems like the longest for sure

by squash i mean combine stuff to make it shorter rather than take stuffs away. I feel like i gotta drop a lot of stuff to reach keystones and while the keystones are lovely they kinda arent worth compared to what you can build by dipping into multiple trees XP

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it is very long, yeah

gentle prawn
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and theres not many spots to move between sides

grand pewter
gentle prawn
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download more ram

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simple as

sharp ember
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but waiting for it to stack means you're not doing damage at all, and crits don't hit hard enough to offset that

gentle prawn
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I've got surgical and some other that does more damage to staggered, so i just spam bayonet when they get close and it shreds

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reckon its good balance but i don't have other blessings to replace it with

grand pewter
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I like the MK1 HB, nice lil balance

gentle prawn
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I like the bayonet sprint boost

serene sage
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gotta chasing that high every game

gentle prawn
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why is your hud weird

serene sage
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mod

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the answer to most things weird in the game is mod haha

gentle prawn
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oh, ik its a mod, im just wondering why its weird

serene sage
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i just move the status bar up so I can see better

gentle prawn
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return to normalcy

serene sage
north raptor
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noob question. whats a really good option for horde clear melee weapon on veteran?

languid escarp
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power sword

austere mica
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shovel

north raptor
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no meme answers because i wont be able to tell the difference as well plz

fleet garden
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what do you want on the shovel

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take a swing?

austere mica
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Actually shovel

gentle prawn
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Melee horde clear really isn't the role for veteran. It's not impossible, but its not going to be as good as oggy or zealot.

serene sage
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Power Sword kinda "need" Power Cycler 4 by the way, if you don't have it then don't bother

north raptor
hearty panther
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Anything with Brutal Momentum will demolish hordes for Veteran.

serene sage
north raptor
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ok thanks for responses

gentle prawn
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idk man the crusher's pretty nuts

north raptor
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which mk of power sword?

fleet garden
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6

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for the powered up push stab to one tap crushers

serene sage
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except TH

fleet garden
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but shovel isnt bad, certainly better than power sword for horde clear

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I just need to find out what blessings you want on one

foggy sierra
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just wondering what to swap around on this plasma?

terse idol
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Psword is still OP

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With the right blessings

finite imp
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i keep getting this glitch where my weapons fucking vanish and i cant see what im doping

terse idol
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Shovel as far as I can tell is serviceable

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But the meta weapon rn is ps6

fleet garden
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power sword is good yes but shovel is better on pure horde clear

terse idol
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With power cycler and something

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I forgor

fleet garden
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even my devils claw has such good clear but average on carapace tbh

terse idol
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Well isn't the shovel only good on staggering horde?
It won't clear more than control right?
What blessings do you need?

fleet garden
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it will clear more because it has good clear, its what it does

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it literally says so on the weapon

terse idol
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I mean, doesn't the Psword still beat it on energized hits?

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I'm kinda curious

umbral scaffold
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Pure damage I think so yea

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But shovel is fun

sharp ember
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shovel absolutely loses in a pure horde clear race lol

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that's not the strength of shovel

shrewd bramble
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best autogun?

terse idol
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But I forgor

humble nexus
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whats the dump stat for plasma gun?

terse idol
sharp ember
terse idol
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Hmmm

sharp ember
terse idol
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From some convo's yesterday charge rate doesn't actually increase the charge speed past a certain point

shrewd bramble
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that is what again?

terse idol
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Base 73%?
But don't quote me on that

sharp ember
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dumdum, which gives you damage buff just for shooting the enemy

shrewd bramble
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ah kk

sharp ember
terse idol
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oh yeah

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Which wass fixed

sharp ember
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was it though

terse idol
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From that same convo yeah

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It doesn't affect left click damage anymore

sharp ember
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that's the first i've heard of it

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we even have a pinned post with a spreadsheet of charge rate damage effectiveness

terse idol
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Yeah, it's been fixed

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That spreadsheet doesn't matter

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Or well

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Guh

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I guess the thing to look out for is that you don't need 80% charge speed

sharp ember
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oh it's from azreal, they have a pretty good head on their shoulders about this kind of stuff

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alright then

terse idol
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The difference will be so miniscule

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@sharp ember Wait, what info do you got about Thermal Protection dumping?
I'm kinda curious because doesn't it change how many charged shots you can fire?

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(Or... left clicks for that matter?)

shrewd bramble
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oh damn

shrewd bramble
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one shot in the head for any riflemen(heresy)

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crazy fire rate and ammo

queen quiver
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bolter is very good rn

sharp ember
thorn yoke
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Is there anywhere with guidelines on which perks to stuff on which guns?

hollow ibex
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It’s usually flak and maniac anyway

terse idol
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Sometimes Carapace

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The best I can do is uh, ask in the discord

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It depends on the weapon but yeah, it's what
Flak, Carapace, Maniac

serene sage
thorn yoke
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I mean, I default to Flak usually, just wondering if there was specific by weapon

terse idol
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hmmm

serene sage
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Especially for melee

terse idol
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*nod

brave verge
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been using this for a while, just got t3 power cycler to drop on a piece of junk. I'm guessing replace Rampage?

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until I get a better one

terse idol
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For any specific weapon you want to shooow

sharp ember
thorn yoke
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nod Haven't seen much new info since the weapon rebalances and just am slowly exploring my old sets

serene sage
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I think just condense it to strong blessings
For example, Surgical, Pinning Fire, Dum Dum, Infernus, Deadly Accurate, Shattering Impact are all good blessings

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So if your weapon can have them, just take some combinations of those

terse idol
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Infernus is that good?

serene sage
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For certain weapons yeah

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It's just a rule of thumb

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It's not precise but you can get close enough

thorn yoke
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like, as an exercise in credible information

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Other than Surgical IV, any upgrades I can throw at this

sharp ember
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so there's a bare minimum in the 60% thermal resist area if you want 8/8 uncharged shots

serene sage
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Onslaught might be better than Infernus but it's not a must

sharp ember
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no big deal for me to just manual vent if i seriously need to continue firing though

serene sage
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Sometimes you can't aim as fast as you charge

hollow turtle
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Worth buying off melk for recon?

sharp ember
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unless tier 3 is like 5.5%

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then it's not as huge of a deal

dusky flare
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yeah tier 3 is 5.5 KEKW_ogryn

midnight mortar
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Last I saw, "close" range is still labeled as 8m.

hollow turtle
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Lol I haven't even researched the tier 3 unfortunately, so it might be worth getting anyways.

midnight mortar
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Don't remember if the last patch finally fixed that to 15m.

thorn yoke
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Kantrael question: before the last set of patches, the XII was basically king, has the buffs for the 1a done anything to making it more popular for high level runs?

hollow turtle
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Higher DPS

fleet garden
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invest in columnus 5

midnight mortar
sharp ember
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yeah it's the new cool kantrael because of superior fire rate and ammo, while still 1shotting lesser enemies

midnight mortar
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In practice, all of them are equally viable with playstyle preferences.

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And all of them pale in comparison to the revolver and plasma rifle.

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Mostly due to talent tree issues.

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And the innate state of revolver and plasma currently.

dusky flare
sharp ember
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yeah, but mg1a has larger pool

dusky flare
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and more fire rate with lower damage, so efficiency might still be even

sharp ember
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so combine that with common shooters still dropping in 1 headshot either way

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but more importantly

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it's GREEN Ork

fleet garden
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so ppl use mg1a over 12 now?

quick burrow
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Mg1a>mk4>mk12

midnight mortar
hollow turtle
sharp ember
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way more than they used to, ultimately up to user preference

quick burrow
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Mk4 =< mg1a

midnight mortar
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In practice, they're all roughly the same in performance. It's just a question of whether you want to headshot a lot or bodyshot more often.

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With consistent headshots, the TTK of the XII outpaces the other two on non-basic shooter targets.

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I've only seen MGIa's myself.

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And only very occassionally.

thorn yoke
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tree limitation refers to, for example, Universal rending outperforming basically all the other trees?

fleet garden
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I preffer 12 over the others because you can one tap everything but columnus is king atm

midnight mortar
hollow turtle
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I still enjoy XII, but it's just when you miss the headshot is when it's a problem. At that point its not the gun, its me. 😐

thorn yoke
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ah, Conceptually I like Marksman focus. In practice It never has enough stacks up to be worth it

fleet garden
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YES

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I GOT IT

hollow turtle
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I occasionally take out the MG4, but only because i Have the full auto mod

midnight mortar
fleet garden
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LOOK BOYS

midnight mortar
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Congratulations.

serene sage
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All these Mg1a talks make me want to bring it for a spin

forest blaze
hollow turtle
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Look at this man. The emperor has answered.

midnight mortar
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Hope it took you less time than me.

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I didn't see one until 325 hours.

hollow turtle
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Sorry, Dirk. I had a feeling you were observing the chat quietly.

forest blaze
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@fleet garden you better eat brunt’s cyborg butthole for that

midnight mortar
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Brunt's the Ogryn who runs the Armory apparently.

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Not the servitor.

forest blaze
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Yayhauhauhay anyway eat that butthole

thorn yoke
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I didn't get Power Cycler IV until this last patch. great that I have it now

hollow turtle
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Lol

fleet garden
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damn looks juicy

forest blaze
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Get up in it and congrats you piece of shit

hollow turtle
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😆

serene sage
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Infantry Lasgun users

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How do you deal with Carapace

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Just krak them?

forest blaze
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@fleet garden it literally only hurts because you and I were vibing about this like 2 hours ago

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It’s like I lost a brother

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A “I don’t have PC4” brother

midnight mortar
hollow turtle
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He's like, "I left the streets. I'm leaving you behind."

forest blaze
fleet garden
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it is finished, for now

forest blaze
hollow turtle
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Goddamn. No chill

serene sage
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Damn son

thorn yoke
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I can't handle the Mk IV attack patterns. Too used to MK III

azure gale
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What are the best perks for autopistol? Got some sexy blessings and now it’s time to reroll perks

midnight mortar
fleet garden
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power it up, two swings

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repeat

thorn yoke
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I also play illisi psyker so I'm super used to Charge, heavy attack, light light light

serene sage
hollow turtle
azure gale
hollow turtle
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I'm still waiting for my uncanny strike IV for knife.

azure gale
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Been rolling for uncanny strike for what seems like years 😩

serene sage
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I won't lie to yall

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The last 3 370+ PS I roll

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All have PC4

forest blaze
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Ok dude

serene sage
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It's me

forest blaze
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Literally pickin this shit off of trees of here

fleet garden
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link

serene sage
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i took all the PC4

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Muhahahahahaha

forest blaze
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Brunt is about to get a visit from the Tongue Twister

fleet garden
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well hard to get a better power sword

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all im missing is 5% maniac dmg but it doesnt matter

serene sage
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It's not perfect

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Throw it away

placid portal
fleet garden
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yes

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ill roll my columnus first then roll a new one

forest blaze
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Or hadron. Hadron has been doing me seriously dirty with this shit because I’ve fully leveled like 8 PS and she put PS3 on like every one of them

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That cybussy gone stone cold

fleet garden
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need a decent roll with fire frenzy/dum dum/raking fire

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raking fire and dum dum is the go tbh

grand sable
robust mesa
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I'm not sure about the power sword 6 over 3 boys

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3 seems like it swings faster

forest blaze
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6 got that stab

robust mesa
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the stab?

forest blaze
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That sweet sweet crusher killing block stab

robust mesa
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how do I use that? I always just used the 3

forest blaze
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Block. Then stab. Then clean your shorts.

serene sage
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one power cycler
two power cycler
one bromentum with no lock

forest blaze
serene sage
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already has a PC4 blessing

serene sage
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sorry

forest blaze
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Lmfao

robust mesa
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whats wong

forest blaze
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It’s nothing

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Just

serene sage
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what should I do with this

forest blaze
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I was gonna lose my fuckin mind if it was a PC4 screenshot

gleaming turtle
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Honestly, it's almost impressive how bad this reward I got from the Emperor is lmao.

bitter turtle
gleaming turtle
bitter turtle
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infernus/HH is honestly better for recon

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than HH/dumdum

gleaming turtle
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Well, DumDum is bugged, so we should already disqualify that from future Recon talk on this basis alone. I know FS said they are gonna rework the Recons at some point, but I also wouldn't hitch my pony to a Blessing that isn't working as intended.

tall torrent
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After playing around a bit, decided to swap top talents to longshot -> exhilarating takedown

bitter turtle
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the supposed dumdum bug is bugged to make it better than its supposed to be

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so even if its fixed that only makes it even worse

tall torrent
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Agripinaa mk1 one headshot every shooter at every range with longshot is just

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So so nice

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Which allows me to proc exhilarating takedown super easily

placid portal
#

I like using it

#

Ngl Surgical boltgun slaps

bitter turtle
#

the only time I find dumdum outperforming infernus even in its bugged state is if you just dont headshot (so reduced crits to activate infernus reliably)

gleaming turtle
#

Don't hitch yourself to it.

hollow turtle
#

Kind of glad I carry a build that doesn't use survivalist. There's always another vet that has it.

gleaming turtle
#

Because it's bugged, lol

frank basin
#

survialist bugged?

gleaming turtle
#

No

placid portal
#

How is dum dum bugged?

tall torrent
#

How is dum dum bugged exactly

frank basin
#

survivalist need a rework?

gleaming turtle
#

Procs at any range.

serene sage
#

how is dumdum bugged

placid portal
#

Oh

bitter turtle
#

proccing at all ranges is not a bug

#

it doesnt say it only gains procs at close range

serene sage
#

it's a feature

frank basin
#

it is a feature

serene sage
#

tis

bitter turtle
#

supposedly its bugged to give the dmg increase at all ranges too but i havent been able to test that out reliably myself

hearty panther
#

It does indeed.

placid portal
#

Zamn

serene sage
#

what do I want on Columnus?

#

dum dum and?

bitter turtle
#

fire frenzy is on mine

serene sage
robust mesa
#

whats wrong with pc4

serene sage
bitter turtle
#

you mean besides the part where it should not exist

#

and just be part of the base psword moveset

placid portal
robust mesa
#

Didn't they nerf it and add that because it was stronk

placid portal
#

Dunno old ps before cycler can do 2 swings at most iirc

robust mesa
#

nah

#

it had like

#

three good hits

#

was bussin

bitter turtle
#

its dumb to lock the weapon functionality behind the blessing

#

just nerf the other blessings instead of gating ppl with rng to actually play the weapon properly

#

and let them have two

robust mesa
#

It was kinda busted tho

#

i don't like how the 6 slows u down

bitter turtle
#

if the psword is busted with 3 swings then its busted with power cycler or not lol

#

whether its pcycler or part of the base moveset

gentle prawn
#

yeah a class with that kinda ranged power should not have that busted of a melee weapon

bitter turtle
#

the only difference with pcycler is ppl have to rng out the 3 swings

#

at hadron

robust mesa
#

I got p4 on like

#

the second try so ig im lucky

serene sage
bitter turtle
#

i got it on my 3rd psword

serene sage
#

it's not perfect but ig it will do

gentle prawn
#

what I need is to be able to deconstruct weapons for mats

bitter turtle
#

but some ppl still dont have it and have been playing since the start lol

placid portal
#

Does what it do

bitter turtle
#

just remove it and nerf the other blessings if its too op for psword to have 2 blessings

midnight mortar
serene sage
#

can someone throw a columnus build at me?

bitter turtle
#

do you want deadshot

serene sage
#

pretty pleaes Pleading

serene sage
#

but i think I want to try marksman focus with it

mortal horizon
#

whats the best IAG model right now, and blessings?
also - anyone got a good executioner build that would pair well?

serene sage
#

im not sure what's the popular route

#

i can cook, but im lazy 😄

bitter turtle
#

o

#

well this is mine lol

mortal horizon
#

colomnus is good right, is it the best one?

bitter turtle
#

its not mm focus though

#

last 3 points go anywhere

#

i take desperado because lmao knife

serene sage
#

hmm

bitter turtle
#

i find it hard to do marksman focus on automatic weapons that like having onslaught

#

cause then you have to dip right

#

then dip mid for 6s cd reduction on specialist kill

#

and then go full left tree

#

you could do this tho

#

just not sure if its actually any better

#

i cant do that since no desperado tho

#

so i havent tried it

serene sage
#

is exec stance worth it ?

bitter turtle
#

idk i never exec stance in pugs lol

#

too scrub

#

i miss shout

#

when i try it

placid portal
#

Use em with boltgun and lucius for insta swap

#

Thats what I use em for

robust mesa
#

exec is good as hell

bitter turtle
#

ya i only use it with helbore for the swap more than anything

#

since it lets me melee more

serene sage
#

boy I do need onslaught to make a dent to carapace

bitter turtle
#

yeah

placid portal
#

Woe a Krak upon thee

bitter turtle
#

i mean the gun is perfectly fine without it if you pair it with an anti-carapace melee

#

or krak or something ye

#

but personally I dont see a reason not to take it over anything else

sleek garden
fleet garden
#

PC4 sword feels good

sleek garden
#

And I just swap back to melee

fleet garden
#

can easly get 3 charged hits

white minnow
serene sage
#

alright ill take it for a spin

#

let's see what all the rage is about

white minnow
#

you can grab a blue columnus and verify that there is some significant damage falloff coming from dumdum

fleet garden
#

just get one with dum dum, fire frenzy/raking fire smh

sleek garden
#

Power sword 4 looks more light weight, does it have better mobility or just a different moveset

bitter turtle
#

i couldn't disprove or prove it decisively

white minnow
#

you can also do a control without dumdum

bitter turtle
#

so i always asterisk* it

white minnow
#

and compare your results with dumdum slapped on

sleek garden
#

Make sure you take off sniper on your perks if you take it

bitter turtle
#

i aint spending plasteel for science

#

some other chump can do that

white minnow
#

yeah, I did it without talents taken

bitter turtle
white minnow
#

the falloff of dumdum is continuous

#

either way, it seems to be working properly

bitter turtle
#

good to know

white minnow
#

the close damage portion is only prefixed before the damage

bitter turtle
#

i always felt like ppl were mistaking the "stacking all distance" to be a bug

white minnow
#

it says nothing about the repeated hit trigger condition

#

yeah

#

reading comprehension pls

bitter turtle
#

cause the description does not imply it only stacks at close distance

fleet garden
#

from what I can read it stacks close range dmg at any ranges but you get that dmg at whatver close range dmg

#

either 8 or 15 m

placid portal
#

Close range is 8m now

#

Xp

#

Big oof

serene sage
#

nevermind the build is paper thin lmao

#

there is nothing to stop the pack of mauler from charging you

bitter turtle
#

that's what the frag nades are for

fleet garden
#

still dum dum and raking fire seems like the go

#

power sword

bitter turtle
#

you should be able to mow them down with column onslaught

#

while they're grounded

#

and you have both nade regen perks so it should always be up anyway

serene sage
#

oh sorry not your build

#

my own crackhead dish

bitter turtle
#

oh lmao

hollow turtle
#

Feeling extra squishier today.

fathom edge
#

shovels are supposed to be good right?

placid portal
#

Nice a take a swinf

#

Takr a swing is probs imo a hidden gem blessing that sounds fun

fleet garden
#

ive got a take a swing +trauma roll

small mauve
#

what is the best way to try to target power cycler 4 on power swords? spam buy weapons at the vendor and upgrade the 360s I get to blue? to orange?

bitter turtle
#

blue chances of IV blessings are much lower

fathom edge
#

ive upgraded like near 20 blues and 10 oranges and nothing

placid portal
#

Or have luck when melk pulls a power sword with it from limited store

small mauve
#

alright to orange AG_Sweat well bye bye plasteel PI_hehegiggle

#

thanks! yay

fleet garden
#

having pc4 feels really good, getting 3 swings in easly now

placid portal
#

Still addicted to chainsword

small mauve
#

shhh stop trying to scare me ;3 I'll get it first try! or well 5th try I guess because I've upgraded a few already

fleet garden
#

chainsword is good but not power sword good after nerfs

placid portal
#

Sure but it's about sending a red velvet of blood and entrails

robust mesa
fathom edge
#

chain can do horde clear, but its a single target thing to me compared to PS, to me they do different roles

finite imp
#

Join damnation game
Level 17 in lobby.
Leave
Rejoin
Thrown into mid mission with same level 17
Give him a chance
he goes down twice within minutes of each other
"Dude maybe you should level up before you play damnation you're kind of fucking us"
"No"

fleet garden
#

just carry him smh

small mauve
finite imp
fathom edge
#

i got flamed earlier doing a damnation with 2 sub 30s and one of them flamed ME despite being 2x anyone elses damage and the lowest damage taken

finite imp
#

We didn't pick him up after he died and he was like wtf really

bitter turtle
finite imp
fathom edge
fleet garden
#

normal dam isnt that hard if you have played lots of auric

bitter turtle
#

i know what i sign up for when i dont queue auric

#

im just there to goblin the plasteel anyway

fleet garden
#

same

finite imp
fleet garden
#

well I die sometimes in auric but thats vet life

finite imp
#

Yeah we squishy

#

It suck

fathom edge
#

i get oneshot on damnation, but im a decent glass cannon

finite imp
#

I just play damnation

fleet garden
#

I could be way more tanky if I would play shout melee but I dont want to, sharpshooter is the way

finite imp
#

I shout but the shout kinda sucks now

placid portal
#

Omly get oneshot if dunked by ninja crusher

fathom edge
#

i play plasma shout and i do top dps and never get downed

finite imp
placid portal
#

I think it's a client issue

fathom edge
#

maulers one shot me sometimes

bitter turtle
finite imp
#

It's a massive ogryn covered in metal it should be loud as shit

bitter turtle
#

you cant really blame him for queueing something he is allowed to queue into

finite imp
#

I wanna farm plasteel

fleet garden
#

well

bitter turtle
#

then carry

fleet garden
#

do auric then?

#

or carry

placid portal
finite imp
fleet garden
bitter turtle
#

that's unironically being toxic

#

votekick should be done for ppl legitimately griefing

#

not being bad

rigid pilot
#

Votekick doesn't solve the real problem

placid portal
finite imp
bitter turtle
#

if you want to farm plasteel just git gud, its really easy to carry modifierless damnation, low int esp

finite imp
#

It was hi intensity gauntlet

bitter turtle
trail topaz
#

saw people talking about power cycler and whilst im an ogryn main i thought maybe ill give it a go
2nd power sword

bitter turtle
#

complain at obese feesh

#

maybe they're new, maybe they wanted to try it, you dont really know lol

white minnow
#

teammates are part of the difficulty

fathom edge
#

i dont mind lower levels joining 4s, but maybe you should be like, 28+ to join damnation

bitter turtle
#

if you dont want to deal with sub30s just dont queue normal

finite imp
white minnow
#

I'd just play premades if you don't want those players

fleet garden
#

I just click auric dam qp and hope for the best

placid portal
#

THE POWER CYCLER 4
THE POWER CYCLER IS REAALLL

fathom edge
bitter turtle
bitter turtle
#

you can votekick someone for bad reasons

rigid pilot
#

Premades aren't much better than pubs KEKW_ogryn

white minnow
#

i'd expect people here to be better than average

finite imp
bitter turtle
#

i can votekick all non-vets

bitter turtle
finite imp
#

So no you cant

trail topaz
#

apart from the mediocre stats can this be made usable

bitter turtle
#

like being toxic to someone doing bad is literally league player-tier behavior lmao

white minnow
finite imp
#

I think you might be forgetting that the rest of the lobby also voted yes for some reason

white minnow
#

oh wait mk3

fathom edge
#

if you cant survive or at least least hold your own in a diff, you shouldnt be joining it expecting to be carried imo

white minnow
#

i have no idea what to put on an mk3

fathom edge
#

i wont flame them for it but

placid portal
#

Mk3 do be dooky

bitter turtle
#

meanwhile in most games i top chart on dmg and elites killed

vivid bolt
#

Oh this seems like a spicy convo, what’s the topic

bitter turtle
#

that's why i dont say anything if ppl are throwing

finite imp
bitter turtle
#

unless they're an asshole in chat

trail topaz
#

literally didnt even know theres 2 types of power swords

#

whys mk3 dooky

finite imp
bitter turtle
#

you certianly did not indicate that

#

you said they refused to leave lol

hollow turtle
fathom edge
#

if you're like 20 and join 4 maels or 5s, and you're not a god that can manage it, just dont

bitter turtle
#

nothing wrong with that

placid portal
finite imp
placid portal
#

Mk3 seems simple as is

bitter turtle
#

or does normal mael pop 5 maels sometime idk i never look at it lmao

vivid bolt
#

Tbh the only way to get better is to play higher difficulties

finite imp
#

After you level up yes

fathom edge
#

do they divide mission requirements based on modifiers?

bitter turtle
rigid pilot
#

Just say gg and go next lmao is there any consequence to losing

bitter turtle
#

anyway anyone pretending they've never made a mistake in a game is full of shit lmao

rigid pilot
#

Not like there's an mmr or smth KEKW_ogryn

vivid bolt
#

Auric spawns the hardest maelstroms yeaa

fathom edge
#

im not saying you gotta be perfect, but be realistic, you cant do 5s sub 30 unless you're really good at the game

finite imp
placid portal
#

What do auric enemies do anyway

fathom edge
#

and most joining to be carried arent that good

vivid bolt
bitter turtle
finite imp
bitter turtle
#

and auric missions dont spawn with low int iirc

white minnow
#

auric also has a hidden +50% tension modifier since patch 13

rigid pilot
#

Auric has a higher "tension modifier" too

white minnow
#

too slow

placid portal
rigid pilot
#

So a auric hi int is different from a normal hi int

vivid bolt
#

No

bitter turtle
#

didnt know about the tension modifier change, that too then

white minnow
#

tension is basically shorter intervals between spawns as far as I remember

vivid bolt
#

Auric is guaranteed hi-int/hunting ground

rigid pilot
#

You get more bosses, more patrols, more daemonhosts etc

bitter turtle
#

all the normal missions tend to spawn with only one modifier or low int as a modifier

fathom edge
#

auric to me just feels like endless spawns, compared to normal stuff

finite imp
#

I had 3 in one missions once

placid portal
finite imp
#

Sheesh

vivid bolt
#

Auric is basically “Welcome to hell, try surviving” for most

bitter turtle
#

normal aurics are easy enough honestly

#

mael is the one that is welcome to hell

finite imp
#

Do theydrop legendaries

vivid bolt
#

Tbh

bitter turtle
#

only a few auric + map combination are really bad

#

non mael ones

rigid pilot
#

Auric is mainly "I hope you brought a functioning build"

bitter turtle
#

like vent purge sniper on torrent

fathom edge
vivid bolt
#

Anyone stating normal auric are easy

fathom edge
#

or doesnt seem to

vivid bolt
#

are usually good at the game

finite imp
#

Lol

bitter turtle
#

trying to climb down that tower with like 105821058 gorrillion snipers and vent purge is KEKW_ogryn

vivid bolt
#

Average player would shit bricks in a normal Auric

bitter turtle
#

really fun tho

vivid bolt
#

Oh I agree

#

I’m an auric enjoyer

hollow turtle
#

Holy shit did they up gunner damage? Thing eats right through 148 toughness.

placid portal
#

Counter sniping gamers

fathom edge
#

i like auric but i only have like, 2 builds that can do it and i dont like spamming the same build

vivid bolt
#

I’m sobbing in these malice lobbies leveling vet

finite imp
#

So what's the benefit of auric, plasteel, better weapon drops? Or is it just flagellation

bitter turtle
#

nvm normal mael can spawn 5 intensity lul

#

one literally just spawned

#

til i guess

placid portal
#

Self harm

finite imp
#

Got it

vivid bolt
#

Usually 1-2

#

Auric mael has 3-4

bitter turtle
#

ya

finite imp
#

Would it really kill them to make auric have better rewards to match it's difficulty lol

bitter turtle
#

the person who literally already is complaining about unqualified players playing on higher difficulties

vivid bolt
hollow turtle
#

Auric Damnation Maelstrom should give 380 rolls.

bitter turtle
#

is asking to motivate unqualified players to play in higher difficulties than they should for increased rewards 🤔

#

keep it as is

#

ppl who play auric mael do it for fun

#

and it should stay that way

hollow turtle
#

Lol.

swift ingot
#

I wish I could actually hit heads consistently so I could get use out of exhilarating takedown

fathom edge
finite imp
#

Mkay it probably won't

vivid bolt
#

Yea uh auric having the same rewards

#

Is intentional

bitter turtle
vivid bolt
#

A lot of fresh 30s walk into aurics

bitter turtle
#

til lmao

vivid bolt
#

And get absolutely thrashed

#

Personally

bitter turtle
#

as if one spawned just to inform me that they can spawn as 5's

vivid bolt
#

I welcome new lvl 30s to join aurics

#

Like good on them

bitter turtle
#

same

placid portal
#

Hard to find auric run in asia

bitter turtle
#

idc if we lose tbh

vivid bolt
#

It’s how you get good at the game

placid portal
bitter turtle
#

even if we lose i always make it a point to try to top elite/specialist kills and dmg

vivid bolt
#

I only care if you join but are running gray weapons and a shit talent tree

bitter turtle
#

so i dont feel bad lul

#

cause im like "nah i just had to carry more"

vivid bolt
#

Long as there’s an honest effort, all good in my book

bitter turtle
#

honestly

#

teh games that go sideways

#

are the most fun anyway

#

im disappointed when we finish an AM with no problems

placid portal
#

Just like squishing punies

finite imp
#

Y'all should play dwarf fortress

bitter turtle
#

the only time i was tilted was in the very last room 2 ppl ran off, died, and quit the other day lol

#

we could have won but idk they ragequit i guess

placid portal
finite imp
bitter turtle
#

the last 2 of us couldn't clear it out fast enough to advance objectives and got attritioned

finite imp
#

And barrels

#

And wheel barrows

placid portal
#

Even better

near sable
#

explain to me why you aren't using the aggrippina shotgun with left tree

placid portal
near sable
finite imp
#

I love my agri shotgun

bitter turtle
#

i should have 😔

fathom edge
#

if you're in damnation or auric and cant dodge mutants/trappers/dogs, you should not be in those diffs, period

placid portal
#

Im loving the new buckshot bleed build

bitter turtle
#

it was just disappointing is all

#

we were at the last stretch

fathom edge
#

that shit annoys me

finite imp
#

Dogs used to be impossible to dodge lmao

#

They were like fucking torpedos

bitter turtle
#

even topping dmg and elites killed didn't make me feel better there 😔

near sable
#

shobe

#

heavy

hollow turtle
#

Hmm... Smoke is niche, but it is a clutch grenade for when you enter an open room full of gunners.

placid portal
#

You dodge all the disablers no one says a word.
But you get hit by one disabler, ppl go crazy

bitter turtle
#

only time ppl shouldn't get hit by disablers is when they're wandering solo

hollow turtle
#

This makes it difficult.. I want to kill armor with krak, but I also need to be able to kill gunners..

bitter turtle
#

imo

#

its ok to wander solo but you need to be aware then

hollow turtle
#

You need them fish eyes.

fathom edge
placid portal
#

Which is why I have paranoia

white minnow
#

being near my team is nice for tunnel visioning because they'll probably save me most times when a mutant/dog/trapper gets me when I'm tunnel visioned

vivid bolt
bitter turtle
#

more worth just killing the snipers and flipping a coin to get hit

#

if they're near they can just un-net anyway

delicate estuary
bitter turtle
delicate estuary
#

I have literally no defense

bitter turtle
#

js when you do it you need to consciously decide "i actually need to watch my back"

delicate estuary
#

no way to do it any faster

#

but pubs are like

#

"we gotta stat pad"

#

so I just go gather plasteel while they do their thing

#

nothing irritates me more than running back to where they were and seeing unopened boxes

rigid pilot
#

I watch true solo players and see how safely they play, rather be safe than sorry

delicate estuary
#

yea true solo players

vivid bolt
#

Ngl I wanna try

delicate estuary
#

are playing true solo

#

for a reason

vivid bolt
#

Doing true solo

serene sage
#

I watched like true solo plays

delicate estuary
#

and true solo doesnt give rewards

serene sage
#

90% of the game is kiting and running around

trim steppe
serene sage
#

im not sure if that's the thing im into lol

bitter turtle
#

its o k

#

just turn on plasteel pickups on your scoreboard

#

so you can infliate your ego points

#

and then call them scrubs in postgame chat

rigid pilot
#

Yea kiting is important to learn if you want to clutch last man standing moments

placid portal
delicate estuary
rigid pilot
#

I had one assassination boss I had to loop him around the arena just so I can pick people up

serene sage
delicate estuary
#

I refuse to play 30-40 minute missions

#

for 500 plasteel

#

wasting my time staregryn

serene sage
#

sometimes this scoreboard is definitely not cherry picked

#

not at all

placid portal
#

lol

#

I am not competitive on picking up mats but will pick em up

delicate estuary
#

and then there is an airlock right

#

they all go sit there

#

and I just chill and pick up mats

serene sage
stuck crystal
#

That's when the 'go here' ping shows up

serene sage
#

i think i just need shout

#

that's all

trim steppe
#

idk what my team is even doing half the time

stuck crystal
#

And I'm just pinging all the pickups

serene sage
placid portal
#

I only ping go here when DH blocks common route

serene sage
#

I spam ping the DH

#

and an ogryn shot it

placid portal
#

Or random monster

serene sage
#

thinking it was a target

rigid pilot
serene sage
#

mfw

midnight mortar
#

Someone please send help.

serene sage
#

i guess I was running the ping keystone

rigid pilot
#

I always do that too for dreb hayko

serene sage
#

so in his infinite wisdom the ogryn shot

midnight mortar
#

I'm an exec stance MG XII Vet for Throne's sake.

placid portal
#

Simple as

serene sage
#

truly

midnight mortar
#

I should not be carrying this much weight.

stuck crystal
#

There are definitely newer players who have never seen a DH before and take the ping as 'attack this'

serene sage
midnight mortar
#

Yes.

rigid pilot
#

Powersword is just cracked

#

Top melee top ranged

serene sage
#

that Richtofen dude ive played with before

#

he isn't the best lel

near sable
#

lies

midnight mortar
#

Yeah it was uh, painful to watch.

#

He was just spamming purgatus at mutants at point blank.

rich oyster
#

hey guys whats the dump stat on a plasma gun?

midnight mortar
#

Same as the other psyker, unfortunately.

bitter turtle
stuck crystal
bitter turtle
#

the 2nd place guy killed almost as many specialists/elites

#

at least you didnt have something like

#

this

#

21, 70, 76

#

then 180

#

lmao

#

at least someone was picking up the plasteel

half wigeon
#

Why did you censored it xD

small mauve
#

if only that was not a power sword PI_hehegiggle

bitter turtle
#

b/c I always censor my own name

#

what if I get doxxed

#

😔

half wigeon
#

Why xD

bitter turtle
#

idk habit

rigid pilot
#

Bruh you dox other ppl but not yourself

bitter turtle
#

yeah fuck the other ppl

rigid pilot
midnight mortar
#

Now for a real question, why does Fatshark only allow a maximum of 20 people on your blocked list?