veteran-class

[vivid birch]

imma 1up you. Only play builds that make this discord mad

[swift ingot]

Oh you meant the left node, yeah that checks out, I missunderstood

My bad

[quick burrow]

U want max rage them take smoke bomb and go all in on grenade regen and throw it at your friends

Tell them they are so good they are smokin in chat

[ancient wigeon]

hey folks , does this passive work with melee as well right ? so does bleed and fire damage count as well ?

[quick burrow]

They don't know whether to be amused or angry which is perfect

[south garnet]

be sure to scout ahead using stealth and your speed boost (not having brought survivalist, after all) to draw the horde of maulers, then smoke your team before they round the corner

[tall torrent]

Any tick of dmg from u counts

[humble nova]

I might give this cursed thing a shot, I feel like I'm terrible at auto gun builds. Doesn't help I barely have any good blessings for them too

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1176588065100288061/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.21_-_13.20.01.11.mp4?ex=656f6a06&is=655cf506&hm=a1e0c51914fc9ba5bd280c17d4d94f486125259454bbc69d9ad0f36dc1739a87&

[south garnet]

by the time they're done dealing with them, you've safetied away all the ammo in the area

[trim steppe]

this stacks with the bleed from serrated or whatever its called. super strong

[tall torrent]

u can't 1 tap dreg shooters in the head past a certain range but that's not the biggest concern

[swift ingot]

@trim steppe tbh I might swap to the middle aura because survivalist doesn’t really do a whole lot for Bolter

[tall torrent]

this build can also one tap snipers in the head, infinite range (tag needed at longer distances)

The breakpoints I can hit with this build:

Rashad MkII combat axe:
1 tap head against all shooters + dreg bruiser
4 heavy overhead against crushers & maulers (with tag)
1 heavy overhead against scab gunners (no tag needed)
2 tap head (heavy overhead + light) against scab ragers (tag needed)

Agripinaa Mk1 infantry autogun:
1 tap head against all shooters (limited range on dreg shooter)
1 tap head against snipers at all ranges (tag needed at further ranges)
2 tap head against scab trappers at all ranges
3 tap head against both flamers (tag needed at further ranges)
3 tap head against both gunners (tag needed at further ranges)

[brave bear]

wow bby mom is very proud of u, hon

(I don't mean that in a toxic way)

[whole moon]

All those moments gone, like tears in the rain.

[strange grove]

why agri and not columnus?

[stark hollow]

mmmm yesss. also some guns let you equip a melta magazine i wonder if the full melta model is out yet

[brave bear]

wow this discord doesn't respond to shit, huh

[tall torrent]

I got tired of Columnus
Also Columnus really wants onslaught which is kinda limiting in how u build

[strange grove]

Onslaught? The blessing? Isn't that for hellbores?

[whole moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNBtIs7WmQ early evening comedy break for those who need a smile

[strange grove]

Oh, its a talent on the right side

Im dumb

[swift ingot]

Man I need to get better at hitting heads consistently

[tall torrent]

The talent

[south garnet]

Sometimes, but rarely in response either with or to what you'd prefer

[strange grove]

oh shit

Is this gun better with dumdum/frenzy, or the salvo blessings?

sustained fire and punishing salvo

[swift ingot]

Wish I could help you pal, but I don’t use autoguns

[frank ether]

thats cool and all but kinda light on toughness DR

I guess doesnt matter with iron will and shout

I'm a fan of precision and deadshot being up there in left tree

[tall torrent]

Decided to just cope with OutForBlood giving me toughness for every kill

[frank ether]

on weapons where I hate the left keystone I can just skip the tree for the most part now

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + death spitter/fire frenzy if u can

For maximum dps

[candid bridge]

You want dumdum frenzy. Salvos are bad imo

[strange grove]

ty

[tall torrent]

Swap weakpoint for elite

[frank ether]

Its less so the toughness gain but damage resistance that would worry me

iron will very good as long as you have it

but 1-2 extra points would really solidify your build

[tall torrent]

I’m just gonna rely on OFB and iron will to stay alive

[strange grove]

not bad

[frank ether]

you'll be paper when below %75 toughness so gotta always keep that in mind

[tall torrent]

And the toughness DR I realized didn’t do as much as I’d hoped
Because every time I go down it’s because my toughness got 2-3 hitted anyways

[paper anchor]

I felt unstoppable with just exhil and iron will ngl

Kept double checking my toughness/hp to see it barely touched

[swift ingot]

I shall be unstoppable

[tall torrent]

If I had extra points I’d run longshot -> exhilarating takedown for toughness DR

[swift ingot]

Been running this setup with Laspistol, having an absolute blast

[strange grove]

pretty sure shovel can dance around two crushers simultaneously, I really need that mod that lets you spawn in stuff

[hushed hearth]

Did they patch exhilarating takedown? Thought it was still bugged so you took more DMG instead of less

[tall torrent]

Patched

Good for sharpshooter builds now where u can very consistently pop heads

[swift ingot]

Yeah it got patched in the recent hotfix

[tall torrent]

I think u just need the toughness node

My honest conclusion of patch15 vet tree is that if u want it to perform really well, it’s gonna look cursed

[fossil kiln]

Tell me if I am wrong but I feel like a Vet not running ammo aura is trolling.

[swift ingot]

Meh

[tall torrent]

U just need 1 vet who runs the ammo aura

[swift ingot]

Middle Aura gang for life

[tall torrent]

2 vets with the same ammo aura doesn’t stack

[fossil kiln]

Every game I have 2 vets neither run it. It's like a disease.

[paper anchor]

Iirc this is what I'm running.

[brave bear]

that's stupid

[delicate moat]

wait what perks do u actually want on psword? or does that even matter?

[tall torrent]

@swift ingot
Laspistol: ghost + dum dum

[fossil kiln]

Now this is someone I respect.

[swift ingot]

I will still never run ghost

[delicate moat]

flak/maniac obviously forever useful, but would any other perks make sense?

[tall torrent]

Maniac / carapace / unyielding
Maniac allows u to 1 hit mutants
Carapace allows u to 2 hit crushers & maulers
Unyielding allows u to 1 hit bulwarks

[tall torrent]

You’re losing out then

[delicate moat]

thamk

i'll take maniac because fk them mutants and ragers

[paper anchor]

[tall torrent]

I think ghost is even better in the current patch now due to the amount of shooters the game throws at u

Especially the new map

[swift ingot]

The main reason I’ve been denying ghost is mainly because I haven’t come across a good Laspistol that I could run it on

[tall torrent]

True hadron copium

[swift ingot]

In reality I’d actually like to give it a try

[paper anchor]

Brunt/milk/hadron: Let's troll this varlot

[tall torrent]

I was delivered peak today

[swift ingot]

@tall torrent wondering what I could drop to take duck and dive once I actually get a Laspistol I can run ghost on

[tall torrent]

I think just go with the one I sent u

30% weakpoint is more of a luxury

If that doesn’t hit any significant breakpoints for u, it’s not worth running

[deep fable]

so i basically won the video game

[tall torrent]

Infested doesn’t do anything and flak doesn’t do anything for power swords either iirc

[swift ingot]

I’ll save your setup as a separate loadout that I can try out once I actually get a ghost Laspistol

[tall torrent]

But it’s not a bad sword

[untold mulch]

damn

[tall torrent]

Swap flak for carapace prob

[finite imp]

what 2 perks do i want fo ABA

[swift ingot]

Having ammo is for nerds, middle aura gang for life

[finite imp]

for*

[tall torrent]

Mk8 braced auto?
Stripped down/fire frenzy/deathspitter

[finite imp]

Ahem. Perks

[fossil kiln]

You are trolling. Np. I've literally seen vets go into no ammo Mael with the middle aura.

[tall torrent]

Maniac + flak

[finite imp]

ty ty

[swift flax]

[tall torrent]

Nice

[swift ingot]

Obviously I take it on those missions, I’m not deranged

[swift flax]

i just hope the final blessing is also good

[dapper vessel]

sweet

[finite imp]

finally got uncanny strike

though it's only the rank 1

[tall torrent]

I’m one of those people who collects tier 1 and 2 blessings for hadron

[finite imp]

sigh

oh well

back to the grind

[tall torrent]

[swift ingot]

The main reasons I run middle aura is because I like minmaxing damage and also to save me an extra point

[tall torrent]

If that min-max dmg doesn’t net u better breakpoints it’s kind of a waste

[swift ingot]

But again, if I’m playing a no ammo pick up maelstrom I obviously run it

[swift ingot]

Meh, number go up

[candid tundra]

👏

[tall torrent]

Doing 682 and 687 dmg to dreg bruiser (687.5 health in damnation) does more or less the same thing
You’re still killing them in 2 hits

[swift ingot]

It’s inefficient I won’t deny that but I just like saving the extra point

[mint roost]

Hi everyone, would be awesome if somebody could give me any advice on how I could improve my the Perks and Blessings:

[swift ingot]

But I care not for the size of the damage increase, so long as my damage increases

[tall torrent]

Devastating strike -> rampage
Infested -> flak

[swift ingot]

If only you could swap savage for wrath

[tall torrent]

Devastating strike is horrible, just swap

Savage sweep is fine

[midnight mortar]

Savage is fine.

[swift ingot]

True

Definitely swap devastating

[mint roost]

Ok, thanks! I'll try to get these!

[swift ingot]

I just prefer wrath over savage

[midnight mortar]

Better than wrath in my opinion since you get the immediate cleave boost on demand that's easier to maintain compared to wrath which falls off the moment you miss.

[swift ingot]

I just like chewing through hordes with light spam

[midnight mortar]

Wrath makes you have to ramp up cleave slightly, which can hurt in a horde.

[dapper vessel]

both wrath and ss have the same duration

[swift ingot]

I just like the consistency of wrath

And always being able to proc it

[midnight mortar]

I found savage sweep to be consistent when I needed it, which was in any group of three or more enemies.

[dapper vessel]

Wrath needs to hit 3 enemies to proc too

[swift ingot]

It procs on hit

[dapper vessel]

but both SS and Wrath are pretty comparable

no it doesnt immediately proc on a hit

[midnight mortar]

Yeah not sure what you mean. Wrath is on hit.

[wanton dawn]

Can ss procs against melee elite though

[swift ingot]

Yeah the cleave increase is the same for both, just proc differently

[dapper vessel]

no both SS and Wrath have the same up time duration

and they both need 3 enemies to proc

[midnight mortar]

Both have the same maximum for cleave % provided.

[dapper vessel]

3 enemies to hit to proc

[dapper vessel]

this is true

[dapper vessel]

lemme check

[midnight mortar]

Where are you reading this?

[swift ingot]

But wrath procs on hit?

[midnight mortar]

Wrath's description literally says it's "on hit".

[strange grove]

holy shit I swear many players have no idea block and push attacks exist

[wanton dawn]

I doubt it can. Maybe against dreg rager

[strange grove]

its hilarious watching someone melee while their HP just goes down to nothing

[untold mulch]

they don't

[dapper vessel]

FS has a tendency to tell you the incorrect information on their tooltips

[sharp epoch]

kill them before kill me

that how win

[fair jay]

I aways forget the attack after pushing exists. Is it that important? I just dodge most attacks, push when I’ve been dodging too much and blocking sometimes

[swift ingot]

True but this is not the case for wrath

[strange grove]

finding ragers within kissing distance requires more than mashing left mouse

[fair jay]

Like when you hold the mouse buttons after pushing

You get the unique attack

[stone birch]

ragers are hard countered by a quick step to the left.

[midnight mortar]

So you tested wrath in the meat grinder and it only procs if you hit 3 or more enemies?

[swift ingot]

Aka push attack

[strange grove]

stunlocking crushers with shovel special attack is my fav thing to do, fuck krak grenades

[sharp epoch]

some push attacks have uses like antax wide sweep or powersword stab

[fair jay]

Hmm I’ll keep that in mind thanks

[midnight mortar]

The push attack is very strong on some weapons.

[whole moon]

anything to suggest to improve this?

[swift ingot]

This much is true, my favorite being the push attack on the mk4 cleaver, which is good to weave into combos for hordes

[delicate moat]

rampage/skullcrusher gang rise up

[whole moon]

damn that would be a problem. I shall roll another and see where I get

[frank ether]

cry

[dapper vessel]

wait WHAT

Shred and Wrath have the same Icon

I am so sorry

[swift ingot]

[dapper vessel]

@swift ingot @midnight mortar I am so sorry

[whole moon]

that could be made to fit altho perkwise it may be lacking

[dapper vessel]

i am wrong

[midnight mortar]

Bruh.

[fair jay]

Do all duplicate auras not stack?

[swift ingot]

Nope

[stone birch]

not exactly the same icon. the wrath icon has two swooshes next to the blade, where as shred has a bunch of circles around the blade

[fair jay]

No as in some do stack or nope none stack

[swift ingot]

2 of the same aura do not stack

[stone birch]

they are effectively the same at a glance lol

[fair jay]

Thanks

[swift ingot]

Np

[fair jay]

English sucks as a language

[stone birch]

yes

[swift ingot]

As a native English speaker, I agree

[sinful cave]

anyone even use these thingsa

[delicate moat]

imagine 20% movement speed

[candid bridge]

Nope

[midnight mortar]

No. Not a masochist.

[swift ingot]

Chainaxe will have its time in the light one of these days

[sinful cave]

wondering if i should pick it up for a possible future buff

[dapper vessel]

@wanton dawn

[slow garden]

Melee vet slot belongs to horde clear and maniacs/flak clear as far as I'm concerned

No need for a high damage single target, slow axe

[dapper vessel]

nope

SS cant cleave more than 1 other dreg rager

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, not surprised. Ps powered barely hit 3 dreg rager without sunder

[fair jay]

Man I love the helbores. All 3 of them.

[slow garden]

Come out a little slow but they are nice

I like the high damage variant

[fair jay]

That’s the mk3

[slow garden]

My fave helbore

Wish it came out faster tho

[slow garden]

I still have a light preference to the plasgun

[fair jay]

I don’t like how the mk3 bayonet stab is slower than mk1 and mk2

[dapper vessel]

If I have 1 stack of Wrath active

[slow garden]

I dont really use the bayoney, so thats just me

[dapper vessel]

I can already cleave through 3 dreg ragers with it

[fair jay]

Bayonet is so coool

[chrome berry]

Defiantly one of the rolls of all time

[thorny isle]

Hey I'm a level 24 vet. Any ideas for some good leveling builds while I farm to 30

[fair jay]

LOL

[fair jay]

Helbore mk1-3 are great for leveling

[slow garden]

Get battle shout and a high damage single target weapon, some horde clear on melee weapon

Youll be fine

[fair jay]

Bayonet does lots of damage early game and the snipes are high damage single target

[slow garden]

Always run survivalist

[thorny isle]

Cool cool

[slow garden]

I recommend plasgun, but use what you're comfy with

Be careful with the special upcharge

It'll blow you up

[fair jay]

Helbore mk2 is more ammo efficient so better for learning I feel, and a fast chargeup time

That’s just me being a Helbore Stan though

[wanton dawn]

Yup. My testing with ps rampage showed that hitting 3 enemies is not as "free" as i initially though in practice

[slow garden]

I'll run a nice helbore mk3 eventually and test it

Hope they fix the swap speed tho

[thorny isle]

I was using shock trooper and executioner stance but i have never tried the shout thanks for the tips

[slow garden]

Shout is amazing

[thorny isle]

Oh good to know

[slow garden]

Take cd reduction and don't even get the 'reses allies' shout part

Keep it as low cd as possible

Spam that mofo to victory

[wanton dawn]

Also the reason why i tried sunder is because i could not proc rampage on scab rager

[fair jay]

Shout is a game saver

[dapper vessel]

lmao I actuallly prefer Sunder now

[slow garden]

Shout is delishus

[dapper vessel]

BM helps with breakpoints but I can already reach the essential breakpoints without BM

[fair jay]

I wonder if it would be possible to give executioner stance a bullet time effect

[wanton dawn]

Once i realized what sunder allowed it immediately became my top pick

[fair jay]

I think warframe has a bullet time effect despite being multiplayer

[slow garden]

Def possible

But might require engine rewrites/updates, depending on how the back end works

[untold mulch]

Reminded me of Payday that also has time slow for specific players

I have no idea what type of coding magic does that

[slow garden]

Yep, when you go down

I'm not entirely sure on the specifics, but I do know its much easier to do that if enemies are client side

Not sure about dark tide's back end

[bold ibex]

...what if reload speed affected holster/ready speed. 😮

[slow garden]

Depends a lot on the deets of the code

[fair jay]

Enemies feel client side

[slow garden]

I'm pretty sure they are client side.

But I haven't read so idk for sure.

[untold mulch]

To me a lot of stuff feels Server Side

not client side

[fair jay]

The only enemy oddities I’ve seen with enemies is animation skipping when they’re in cover

That’s why I think they’re client side

[untold mulch]

Hmmm

[slow garden]

Its the responsiveness for me

Played on EU servers as a USA guy

Responsive

[wanton dawn]

Something something i refuse to even think of the backend

[untold mulch]

Killing Floor too?

[slow garden]

KF2 is peer to peer

[untold mulch]

I was trying to think of Slowmos in coop games

[fair jay]

King of fighters 2?

[slow garden]

No idea

Oh, no

Killing Floor 2

No clue about king of fighters

[nimble sentinel]

imagine if one of the personalities was the original KF VA

[valid apex]

😏

[wanton dawn]

Keep doing that and i swear you'll get the back hand

[valid apex]

Haha

[bold ibex]

should i give up the shattering impact/surgical boltor to make a pinning fire/surgical boltor (with much better perks, too)

I'm not sure how much shattering impact does now against crushers and bosses.

Eh, fuck it. I like the higher stability too... >_>

[sour elbow]

this just got belched out. The blessingf any good for the weapon?

[dapper vessel]

no you dont want to stagger things on headshots

I'd just grab that blessing

[woeful hemlock]

The damage stat alone makes it garbage but if you wanna learn the blessing anyways just to bank it go for it or trash it for credits either way no harm done losing it

[sour elbow]

That's what I was going to do anyway, just wanted to know if it the blessing was worth adding.

...in hindsight I should just be added 'new' blessings all the time anyway. Get them in the bank.

[bold ibex]

why do, when I yolo a powersword with low stats to try to get a skill... it gives me Power Cycler 4. EVERY TIME ;_;

[woeful hemlock]

Helps fill in that tab so gamer gremlin completionist brain go brrr

[bold ibex]

it's happened like four times already

[sour elbow]

Or when fatsharkd ecides to change things.

Wish I got power cycler.

[pearl sapphire]

#removehellboredeployanimation

[whole moon]

They'd just leave the delay in even if they removed the animation

[sinful cave]

can someone show me a generic good claw sword? idk what im looing for im not even sure what mk to go for

[pearl sapphire]

Couldn’t you turn it in and then put the blessing on a good one?

[pearl sapphire]

I prefer the Mk IV because of the instant overhead, just saying

[pearl sapphire]

Sadly, they probably would

[whole moon]

You want a Mk IV for starters, not at pc but in the last couple of hours I asked an got a response if u search

[quaint valve]

Can swap wrath for any cleave blessing, savage sweep, even the crit one

[tulip condor]

with something else besides carapace

[umbral flame]

whats a good place to find weapon/class builds, is it still gameslantern or is there somewhere better?

[bold ibex]

i've had power cycler forever... but if I had a good base roll with power cycler 4, then i could swap out the second skill to whatever as the meta changes.

[open sphinx]

alright folks what should i change on this?

[tulip condor]

gameslatern or finding a streamer heavily into DT

[open sphinx]

and does anyone know if double corrupt resistance stack?

[quaint valve]

Also been testing this out with good success. Less for hordes but it slaps everything else, still decent horde clear

[pearl sapphire]

Fair enough

[bold ibex]

this combo of blessings is a meme but it's a funny meme. Shame this axe is even worse than most with a overhead powerattack 2

[atomic zephyr]

just had two join in progress straight to failures in a row

[tulip condor]

block or stamina regen

[atomic zephyr]

maybe i should play something else

[open sphinx]

really block?

[nimble sentinel]

stealth/smoke lads, should I be allowed to keep cooking?

[tulip condor]

If you getting stamina i assume you are a melee vet user

or, you use the deadshot talent

[open sphinx]

i use it on both honestly

[pearl sapphire]

Personally I’d replace the corruption resistance with something else, like toughness or toughness regen but that’s just me considering all of mine are 17% toughness with a 5% perk added to them

[open sphinx]

both my knife stabby build and my basically 100% crit chance build

[bold ibex]

is it possible to get enough block efficiency to block crusher melees?

[tulip condor]

then stamina regen

[pearl sapphire]

I know you can parry them with the catachan sword

[open sphinx]

hell i didnt even know a 3 stamina one existed before this

i genuinely never saw one

[bold ibex]

deffo worth slotting in one of them with most builds.

[open sphinx]

100% crit chance i NEVER use any ammo lol

[tulip condor]

With staggering and getting dmg? Yes, I think but require more stamina curios. better off learning to dodge or creating space

[tulip condor]

helps a lot for those on the move or again, melee based builds

[open sphinx]

i went an entire mission not using up a single bit of ammo

[pearl sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-8197900

[open sphinx]

and it nearly oneshots enemies on damnation

3 shots for a crusher if i hit headshots

is there a way to test dmg on monstrosities in meat grinder?

[tulip condor]

mod

[quaint valve]

have to get spawner mod

[open sphinx]

boo

[serene sage]

Helbore users scare me

I hate that thing

[open sphinx]

how so

it goes PEW

[tulip condor]

cuz you arent good with it

[open sphinx]

thing just murders anything it hits

[candid bridge]

Can technically use reapers as your test since they’re considered unyielding (unless monstrosities have different armor values and such then ignore this lol)

[quaint valve]

What do we change here?

[candid bridge]

The dmg

[tulip condor]

haha

[quaint valve]

i know right

[open sphinx]

one shot on damnation

even without firing line on

[tall torrent]

I’d say just harvest gets hot 3 because both dmg and SP are low rolls

[serene sage]

cause everytime I use Helbore

[serene sage]

everything dies before the charge is complete

[open sphinx]

crusher took it like a champ

[serene sage]

I swear my teammates suddenly become ex-CSGO pros the moment I pull the things out

[tulip condor]

if you can one shot with this weapon, what's the point of Infernus? They dis already

[serene sage]

so they die more

[tulip condor]

that's how you should playing vet mixed with CoD

[still flare]

Boss damage I suppose

[tulip condor]

true

[still flare]

Idk if you'd want that or onslaught tho. I'm not a helbore enjoyer I wouldn't know

[tulip condor]

still have dmg to kill boss faster tho

Yes, onslaught is great for helbore

[serene sage]

do yall have time to kill boss with that thing?

bosses bum rush me

maybe because I do too much damage to them?

but I feel like they focus me a lot more than my teammates

[still flare]

Shout :^)

[tulip condor]

Yes, will target the closes/most dmg

[still flare]

nah I actually don't know what affects aggros selection

ah ok

[serene sage]

so let some other karkers get it

understood ✅

[tulip condor]

being close to boss or doing a lot of dmg be like "dont forget about me"

[open sphinx]

i also dont want to get rid of it qwq

i also dont know if i have a better perk unlocked atm

good helbores dont come often to me

[serene sage]

keep it when FS inevitably want sto triple elite melee spawns again

[open sphinx]

hell i saw my first plasmagun in months as a natural restock in the shop

[languid dune]

Don't have any decent Power Swords currently, this worth grabbing for the moment or nah?

[serene sage]

do you ever feel

like a plastic bag

[tulip condor]

@open sphinxNot sure since change but No Respite should be good i think

[umbral scaffold]

I’d change out the perks

I like carapace damage on mine

[open sphinx]

what does that one do again

[serene sage]

depends on the difficulty you play

but like it's not bad for a starter

[tranquil comet]

i've never tried out the pistol-- worth building one? and people talk about it like they think it's getting nerfed?

[serene sage]

you can always get BM4 from it after

[languid dune]

I'd change out the perks obvs

[open sphinx]

go cosplay ciaphas cain with it and run a commissar build

[tulip condor]

more dmg when enemy staggered

[serene sage]

which one?
the revolver?
the auto shredder?
the bolter? (yes ive seen people describe the bolter as a pistol 💀 )

[tranquil comet]

revolver

[open sphinx]

for a space marine it practically is lol

for a sororita it would also be a small bolter

[serene sage]

considering how every melee vet runs it, every zealot runs it, even crit psykers routinely runs it
yeah the thing is due for some considerations
when, we don't know.

[umbral scaffold]

I thought SoB used the same pattern of bolters as space marines since they have power armor as well

[languid dune]

What would it good up for? currently play mostly Heresy and occasionally Damnation depending on whether I play my more geared builds

[serene sage]

I would say solid up to normal Damnation sure

[open sphinx]

i think they do

[gaunt delta]

Revolver gud. Specialist hunter. Wants a little reload speed

[bold ibex]

Dumb question, does the +25% vet ammo talent increase only the max ammo? Or does it increase the amount restored from ammo pickups by 25% as well?

[serene sage]

the latter

for example, bolter gets 12 ammo from small bag without extra ammo
15 ammo from small bag with extra ammo

[bold ibex]

Ohh. So that makes it waaaay more valuable.

[gaunt delta]

Revolver works great in a right-hand Keystone build, I presume

[serene sage]

yeah it affects Survivalist as well

[ebon umbra]

bolter pistol
bolter pistol

[languid dune]

Also is BM what is normally taken or Slaughterer?

[bold ibex]

RN I'm trying a boltor executioner stance build that compensates for low toughness restore with the tagging talent. But it was a choice between that and more focus stacks.

[serene sage]

someone did the math and BM comes out much better

[bold ibex]

BM is the best option due to how it works.

[quaint valve]

What happened to 1000% cleave haha

[serene sage]

gone, turned to dust

[ebon umbra]

ashes to ashes

[bold ibex]

I thought about it. Wrath is pretty good, still. But yeah people were right after explaining how it functioned.

[quaint valve]

All good

[wraith locust]

I think it will get nerfed, it’s the strongest ranged weapon in the game rn by far

[bold ibex]

like if you had the choice between slaughterer/wrath on a good roll/good perk and starting from scratch to make a BM powersword... I think slaughterer/wrath is just fine and will get you where you need to go. It's probably not worth the 10-20 hours of grinding crafting.

but if someone already has a BM, they've won

[serene sage]

my almost god roll bolter

[quaint valve]

well as long as they also won with getting power cycler 4. The RNG in this is so bad

[serene sage]

if only Shatter 4

then you would be perfect

[wraith locust]

Is collateral not important

[quick burrow]

depends on the gun on bolter its a dump stat

[wraith locust]

Ah interesting

[quick burrow]

some guns collateral is dmg vs armor

[serene sage]

I think it's the small aoe that you have with it
but it doesn' affect cleave

[wraith locust]

Wasn’t aware

[civic knot]

Good roll? I feel like u dont really need ammo on this?

[bold ibex]

that's the problem with powerswords. You 100% need either a crafting slot for powercycler or to get power cycler, where as most other weapons have two blessings that are worth using.

[tranquil comet]

ok maybe i try building revolver
what are the important stats/dump stats?

[quick burrow]

on others its stagger rate

mobility dump on revolver

[bold ibex]

that right there /was/ the best boltor before surgical was buffed. RIP.

[quick burrow]

u want surgical/rending blessings flak/maniac/carpace perks

flak and carpace interchangeable maniac is important for mutants

[bold ibex]

Revolver you just need the rending blessing. Surgical is nice to have but not /necessary/ if the choice is betwen that and a better perk, depending how you use it. It's nerfed compared to rifles, .3 at highest rank instead of .2

[languid dune]

What is the most consistent infantry lasgun atm?

[serene sage]

nah I have a 375 Bolter with Surgical + PF

with decent perks (Maniac Unyielding)

[civic knot]

good? or is the ammo too bad? yes or no

[serene sage]

I hate it

[quick burrow]

mg1a >mk4>mk12

IMO that being said im loving the mk4

[bold ibex]

whyy? It lets you possibly drop deadshot. I just sacrificed my surgical boltor to put it on my pinning fire one

[quick burrow]

anything 360 > is prob not great i wouldnt invest

esp with surgical 1

[bold ibex]

it also won the perk lottery too so...

[civic knot]

is the low ammo a problem?

[quick burrow]

depends on how your using it

[tranquil comet]

so just take high dmg rolls and then try to consecrate into rending
seems easy enough

[bold ibex]

my go to revolver is 349 and it puts in work. But it also has a ridiculously low mobility and good other stats.

[quick burrow]

but no the worst

[civic knot]

wym

[serene sage]

here it is

[quick burrow]

ya that mobility loses u a dodge

[serene sage]

I think Surgical isn't helpful for my build

[quick burrow]

otherwise decent revolver

[bold ibex]

it's not that big of a deal to lose a dodge with revolver's swap speed

[serene sage]

I use it to shoot Carapace and monstros like 60% the time

[quaint valve]

i mag dump bolter so i dont use surgical as much

[quick burrow]

tbh its still prob better than my revolver haha

[serene sage]

and Gunners die in two bodyshot or one headshot regardless of crit (with my build - Ping middle)

so Shattering is better

[lucid yew]

whats the best weapon combination for a middle tree veteran (support melee kinda guy)

[serene sage]

but yeah I have 2 really good bolter 😄

[quick burrow]

this is my badboi dump reload is kinda ruff

[civic knot]

God roll so far?

[bold ibex]

I can understand that. definitely notice shattering is well missed against those. I'll probably build another shattering boltor... or swap surgical and shattering as needed. it's only like 90 plasteel I think?

just wish i had pinning fire 4

[quick burrow]

reload speed is argh esp with bolter infested is kinda dead perk

good stats otherwise though

[languid dune]

What perks did I want on the Mk 6 PS? Maniac and Flak or Carapace?

[quick burrow]

u cant go wrong with flak/maniac on almost anything

[civic knot]

who needs reload speed when you can just use reload talents tho

[quick burrow]

ya thats my play on my revolver

[serene sage]

That's what I'm running. I run a supportive build but the only person I'm really supporting is myself due to the wild amount of damage buff
Bolter + PSIV is best
I am partial to Bolter + CAxe2 for personal preferences

[umbral scaffold]

I'm missing something here. How are you getting scopes and stuff on your guns, mods?

[quick burrow]

well plasma is beter for support build

it needs less investment than bolter

[serene sage]

yes

[whole moon]

In addition to this you will encounter far more flak enemies than Cara on your travels. Cara will be a pain but with Krak or Plasma you can manage

[civic knot]

is collateral really that important?

[bold ibex]

i've started experimenting with that today... though tbh, we just have two few perk points to make it feel comfy. Really want the +25% ammo but can't get that with a full support build

[quick burrow]

my advice to anyone who uses a bolter as someone who loves the bolter....make the swap to plasma dont hurt yourself like i did

[lucid yew]

so far I've only tried the left side tree with an XII Lasgun and it feels so much stronger than before talent trees

[lone yoke]

Is this salvageable?

[bold ibex]

check on the weapon stat screen. some weapon collateral is stagger only. some it increases damage

[whole moon]

Causes stagger, can be depending on other blessings or talents

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks gonna go install that asap lol

[quick burrow]

try the mg1a inf lasgun if u like the mk12

[civic knot]

ah thx for the clarification

[serene sage]

yeah surgical 1 to something else and stam to maniac

and it's pretty decent

[bold ibex]

you can replace surgical 1 with 3/4 or shattering... then 1.5 stamina to carapace +25 and it'll be... fine?

[bold ibex]

yeah then i wouldn't really care much

[civic knot]

sick

[serene sage]

idk how you play but im like a half grenadier half melee half ranged kinda build

[bold ibex]

oh, i made a mistake. It's not collateral that does that, but 'stopping power'.

[serene sage]

(i know there are 3 halves in that sentence)

[bold ibex]

collateral is just suppression and stagger

[bold ibex]

half man, half bear, half pig

[civic knot]

sooo it still doesnt matter that much on this gun

[serene sage]

you don't want that high of a suppresion

[vagrant dagger]

My guy is GAMING

[serene sage]

otherwise the enemies will just hide forever

[quick burrow]

collat on bolter isnt optimal u want it as a dump stat if possible

[bold ibex]

it's my dream that we get a node somewhere that gives us back full reload on ability use. D:

[quick burrow]

so its easier to land head shots on big bois

just double bolt they will get the message

[bold ibex]

it's not bad depending on build. A shattering boltor you aren't going for headshots, you're just lighting them up. And higher collateral will break up hordes and turn it into a CC weapon.

[serene sage]

yeah it's called #ogryn-class, you get a whole new talent tree to explore with it too
kinda wild

[bold ibex]

i'm still pissed about that. vets were nerfed and our core talent feature was given to another class.

[serene sage]

but but they are the wholesome class

everyone loves them

and the blue hitmarkers hitting their back

and the fact that the kickback is OP af but avoided nerf somehow

[bold ibex]

i too love having my sight line erased

[serene sage]

and how they can ammo hog more than vet but that's okay because muh holesum ogryns

who doesn't love silly little RPers am i right

[hollow turtle]

Did they increase the recoil of the Lasgun IA or something?

[bold ibex]

also shredder got nerfed a lot. Is there a way to salvaget hem? They feel so good to use

[serene sage]

am i salty? no you are

[quick burrow]

just run grenade tink and demo team and toss them like candy

[serene sage]

this but unironcally

[quick burrow]

also im fairly certain the bleed procs onslaught

[bold ibex]

oh god the RPers. why do all ogryns RP

[midnight mortar]

No?

[serene sage]

the high of killing 12+ gunners in less than 1 sec

[quick burrow]

i mean u could just go all in grenade build with a plasma rifle

[midnight mortar]

Yes, bleed procs onslaught.

[quick burrow]

are u running deadshot vs no deadshot?

[dapper vessel]

all manner of DOT applies Onslaught

[serene sage]

Bolter has a better time vs ragers and maulers than Plasma

[hollow turtle]

hmm... Screen jerks around when I'm firing compared to before. Like dizzying levels. I'll take another look. Maybe something's acting up modside.

[quick burrow]

yeah so a few shredders + onslaught and tink u got yourself a death ball

[serene sage]

so there is a niche for the Bolter

especially in CQC build

[midnight mortar]

Even at high stability the Ia is rather severe with recoil.

[finite crow]

Is Recon lasgun still shit even with infernus?

[quick burrow]

nooooyes.... 😦

[midnight mortar]

Yes. Still bad.

[serene sage]

look at this image, the damage and the ammo count
guess which of us is using the recon

[midnight mortar]

17 ammo boxes for only 147k ranged damage. 😢

[finite crow]

How'd you get a scoreboard?

[serene sage]

Remember one big box = 3 small boxes

[copper pine]

Mods

[midnight mortar]

Mod.

[bold ibex]

thinking onnit... maybe shredder could put in work with anti maniac. :<

[finite crow]

Blessed modders

[candid bridge]

Alt f4 turns it on

[serene sage]

So that's 11 + 6*3 small packs

[finite crow]

That worked in 2004 broski

[bold ibex]

btw is there a mod to change infiltrator's screen effect to something less blinding?

[vagrant dagger]

Does deadshot still work at 0% stamina?

[slow spade]

No

[serene sage]

Never did

[slow spade]

It does stop regen so I hope you learn how to hipfire

[vagrant dagger]

With a Helbore? lol

[balmy flume]

(Or just don’t use the node, not really worth it)

(Lots of other nodes with better bonuses…)

[bold ibex]

With helbore you can start charging, then aim, then release to minimize your deadshot cost

[midnight mortar]

He doesn't know about the hipfire charging...

[bold ibex]

in fact if you're good enough with the stamina regen nodes unlocked, you will always have enough stamina even when going to '0' if you fire quickly

before the patch I did the same with the aggrippa. Load special shell, fire shell for guaranteed crit, reload shell.

[balmy flume]

Admittedly I also don’t but then I never ran that node to begin with…

[bold ibex]

didn't deadshot used to also give +25% crit damage?

also, is exploit weakness worth compared to the +5 base damage(up to 25) on sprint?

[south garnet]

Like, damage taken while sprinting? They're nowhere in the game

afaik datamined stuff

[midnight mortar]

You'd need to dig through the lua for that if I remember what Crab said.

[brisk umbra]

that talent is trash

It takes a long time to activate

[south garnet]

wE dOnT wAnT pEoPlE uSiNg CaLcUlAtOrS aNd MaThInG oUt ThE fUn

[brisk umbra]

(the sprint i mean*)

[bold ibex]

yeah, i guess you're right. If the duration was 10 seconds I guess it'd last long enough to be meaningful after sprinting into melee, but 5 seconds is whatever

[brisk umbra]

the problem imho is how long you need to sprint

[serene sage]

If they do they'll find out how buggy the game is and we don't want that.

[tulip condor]

that the sprint that increases base dmg for 5 secs and stack 3 or 5 times?

[midnight mortar]

That's the main reason from what I've seen. FS loathes being held accountable. It's why you mostly see tone deaf responses or radio silence.

[bold ibex]

also wtf is up wtih the rashad's special attack. It's a random flourish and ball-blow but does less damage than a normal light attack.

[strange grove]

So the Agri IAG is more controlled for bursts. But wow the Columnus shreds at close range

[strange grove]

It’s useless

[bold ibex]

we're still waiting to hear back on the whole... 'give xbox like 40 dollars of free currency but give your early adopters a fucking helmet"

[midnight mortar]

Yeah it's not very good.

[serene sage]

It looks stylish when you knockback a poxbuster with it

[midnight mortar]

Actuallly that "Vanguard Pack" was their response.

[strange grove]

Shovel is goated vet melee anyway

[stuck crystal]

Dclaw is life

[midnight mortar]

Open endededly worded, but that's the FS way.

[tulip condor]

Somewhat. Swap stamina to prefered perk and obviously the T1 blessing. Wont be ideal but if you dont really have any good other bolters, should be fine for damnation

[serene sage]

You take infested perk on melee weapons because you are locked into it
I take infested perk on melee weapons to one shot poxbusters
We are not the same.

[bold ibex]

the sheer lack of care is what annoys me most. like you put in this work for a cool animation but the balance and number people can't be bothered tot hink of a way to make it meaningful. Like... let it combo into a second hit that has a massive weakspot bonus; you just smashed them in the balls.

[south garnet]

don't forget "let console users decide on crossplay" and "lol enjoy your new xbox players PC pardners"

[tulip condor]

Dmg, stopping power, ammo, collateral, mobility

[bold ibex]

oh PC players can't opt out but xbox people can? That's fucked.

I don't think either really should probably opt out since you can use a controller on pc

but isn't xbox like 30 fps?

[south garnet]

correct

[midnight mortar]

Often yes.

[tulip condor]

Speacial is meant for stagger, not dmg

[serene sage]

They sure be playing like it's much lower

[midnight mortar]

You should've seen the guy in #gameplay-help asking how to get 60fps on an Xbox.

[south garnet]

kek

[midnight mortar]

🤣

[serene sage]

Step 1. Buy a PC

[bold ibex]

...god and now I'm remembering the bullshit with gamepass. Fatshark took microsoft's gamepass money but blocked them off form playing with steam players, forcing everyone to buy the steam copy to play with their friends. after the rush of copies were over, they added crossplay and pushed cosmetics.

[stuck crystal]

That's easy. Put your PC on the Xbox

[bold ibex]

doesn't seem to do much more than light 1

[serene sage]

Tbf I don't think this was malice

They just didn't have time

Segmenting player base like that is death sentence for new born community

[flint garden]

you can smack a rager out of combo with rashad special but its animation is slow so its not so great

[bold ibex]

enabling crossplay is literally flicking a switch in almost all games

[serene sage]

Nah lol

It's not

They couldn't implement it on time

[midnight mortar]

That's the trouble with Fatshark. 80% of the time they announce anything or change anything you have to play the "ignorance or malice?" game.

[serene sage]

Let's at least be fair to them and invoke Occam's Razor

[untold mulch]

Ain't that sad?

[serene sage]

Not to attribute to malice what can equally be attributed to stupidity

[serene sage]

This is fair lmao

[bold ibex]

Dude. Defvs have accidentally enabled crossplay between consoles and then had to rush to disable it before. We're talking about two PC userbases that are only seperated by different launchers

[south garnet]

To put things in perspective, it took them two patches to flip a single bonus into a malus on a single line of code, on one of the most high visibility bugs of the patch, AFTER it was literally highlighted in their own code by a player FOR them in their own forums

[tulip condor]

again, aint meant to really dmg, it's to stagger. Use it on the rager to stop their frenzy attack. higher chance of stagger unless you have buff to increase stagger on weakspot hit

[bold ibex]

It's pretty easy to attribute to malice when you have a consistent pattern of behavior.

[midnight mortar]

A single minus sign.

[brisk umbra]

crash?

[serene sage]

They have to check if their spaghetti code would somehow crash the server flipping a sign

[south garnet]

I don't think anything they do is out of malice. I do, however, think they should be treated as an extremely hostile entity at all time and with all things, ala an uncooperative witness on the stand

[serene sage]

[south garnet]

Stupity or malice, it matters not

[untold mulch]

Their offices are such fucked

[bold ibex]

Their 'buffs' to the crafting system were malicious too IMo. They purposefully design systems to waste player's time and then basically laugh at them when they update it

[serene sage]

Anyway

If you have to keep Born Leader where it is

How would you change it so it doesn't feel like you're sodomizing yourself

[bold ibex]

'gain 5% toughness allies in the coherency generate'

[serene sage]

How the turn table

[bold ibex]

that would really help vets toughness in situations where there isn't an elite to murder or they don't have a weapon that can abuse headshots. Just suck off the zealot in melee

[serene sage]

Just suck off the zealot in melee

• A New World Fool circa 2023

[shell widget]

When in Rome...

[bold ibex]

honey if I gotta tie my hair back to make it through a PUG damnation run, I'll do it

[serene sage]

Oh god lmao

[bold ibex]

20 plasteel is 20 plasteel

btw is there a button to swap between melee and ranged? I know the scroll wheel includes grenades

[inland orchid]

Q

[serene sage]

Q

[inland orchid]

default for quick swap

[bold ibex]

..huh. how did I never push q once in the last 180 hours

[south garnet]

dangerously based

[inland orchid]

Shocking, not even as a fat finger?

[serene sage]

Too busy tying hair maybe

just kd I'll stop

[south garnet]

sorry but I still prefer hitting "1" or "2". Q is too easily double-tapped in the heat of the moment, or weapon swap fails to register so you hit it again only to have it swap then swap back again

[bold ibex]

yup. i've been using 1 and 2 all this time which made weapon swap gameplay annoying.

[south garnet]

If I'm hitting 1 I can mash it over and over again until my sword pops out

hitting Q is reserved exclusively for elevator pillow talk

[inland orchid]

Glad to have helped u grow as a heretic slaying reject then, we all grow at our own pace

[stuck crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/glenn-quagmire-family-guy-giggity-gif-4084933

[wanton dawn]

Born leader cannot work at all in its current form

[serene sage]

Slaanesh infiltrated Vet chat

[south garnet]

even if it did not a single person would ever notice its effects

new born leader icon

[umbral scaffold]

They ain't even trying for the labor of love

[wanton dawn]

The thing is, there is already a good version of born leader: the thoughness bonus on focus target

[umbral scaffold]

They know there is no love

[south garnet]

that is kind of interesting

[bold ibex]

i really wish i had two more points so i could squeeze cooldown reduction on specialist kill into my infliltrate build

[pulsar drift]

Guys do you know what helmets have special sound effect

Except the masks

[south garnet]

I don't know anything about steam awards but I assume they only want to be nominated for stuff they think they have a chance at winning?

[serene sage]

Born Leader
Allies (including yourself) in coherency get can a passive 10 overshield every 30s

[bold ibex]

i mean i /could/ but then i'd have to give up exilierating takedown

[south garnet]

better to focus on one category for its playerbase to increase the odds with whatever turnout they get

[desert hawk]

I mean the OST is pretty damn good.

[serene sage]

This is actually so OP lol

[swift ingot]

Facts

[pulsar drift]

Heard the other day Orgyns have something that make them sound like marines from StarCraft

[bold ibex]

oooh. I'd also take "15% of a vet's generated toughness is gained as an overshield for the party, up to a cap of 50"

[south garnet]

the new music for carnival is surprisingly lit

[umbral scaffold]

Jesper carried the OST really hard so I can agree that

[pulsar drift]

Wondering if there is a similar one on vet

[serene sage]

Actually smart

Let it go to overshield

[rough igloo]

Dude agreed it's so funky

[serene sage]

People will notice

So will you

[stuck crystal]

Can't you only vote for a game in one category only for the Steam Awards?

[desert hawk]

I have hopes they'll remix it for the part 2 patch

[stuck crystal]

If so, it'd make sense they'd go for soundtrack

[desert hawk]

since we're getting more clown town

[south garnet]

yea it rocks, if they keep up this theme of bringing Jesper back and having him do twists on new levels/missions, fuck

so good

[umbral scaffold]

Sad that Baldurs will win the OST too, a lot of other things I'll bet aswell

[desert hawk]

I mean that house of hope fight song tho

Bg3 kinda swept the year let's be real

[stuck crystal]

And Alfira's Song

[umbral scaffold]

Alfira's song is meh, the real banger is next to her sang by the harpies

[bold ibex]

debating on swapping carapace to flak and giving up on ever slotting in headtaker 4.

[desert hawk]

if darktide had dropped early access they would've been fine imo

[stuck crystal]

And the bard's throat singing

[little roost]

baldurs winning ost 🤮

[tight dragon]

always the same man, fuck this system i stg

[pulsar drift]

Emm anyone knows? Vet helmets that have a voice filter

[bold ibex]

all I know is their soundtrack in the character creator is bad and should feel bad. Spend an hour or so tweaking looks and learning builds while "down by theeee RIIIIIIIIIVER" keeps screeching on loop.

it's a fine song in small doses but not an hour an a half worth.

[umbral scaffold]

You can mute music so that's a self imposed problem

[little roost]

nerds hear lyrics in a song and think its real music

[south garnet]

I actually get kind of upset every time I think about how incredible the core of this game is, the mechanics and animations, the visual design of both characters/props and the level design, the fucking SOUND design which I increasingly believe is 3/4's of the actual gameplay - just listening to it and reacting accordingly, etc.
and then all the fucking rotten butt chili they squirted out all over it and the piss bath they submerged it in once they got done frying it up in krazy glue

[umbral scaffold]

Go listen to Small Pipe or whatever new age rappers call themselves

[serene sage]

Real men listen to nails on chalkboard and cry tears of happiness

[stuck crystal]

You mean the ones with faces like secondary school desks?

[south garnet]

fuck that's good

[serene sage]

Somehow they're richer than I am

[wise harness]

stat dump for antax mk V?

[serene sage]

Truly unfair

[bold ibex]

tbh i was about to say 'who cares about their award, it's not like nier automata won the best soundtrack award-" then I checked and it did.

So I trust their judgement now

[south garnet]

a lot of people are richer than me, but I have something they don't: a copper pipe in the back of my cab and the willingness to use it

[serene sage]

You like Nier Automata?

[bold ibex]

the biggest dumpstat of the antax mk v is all of them. you put it in the garbage where it belongs and get a rashad

[wise harness]

which mark?

[bold ibex]

No, I don't like it. I love it. I want some more of it. It's in my top 5, easily

[serene sage]

Okay then say its full name.

[umbral scaffold]

The artists did a great job, the core gameplay designers did a great job, the project leads and shareholders need to be fired for pushing cancerous monetization and "player retention".
Sad that shareholders have the final say and can't actually be "fired".

[stuck crystal]

There are 2 kinds of people that played Nier: Automata.
Those that finished it and those that finished it

[bold ibex]

NieR: Automata™

[wanton dawn]

I have it. Started it. Did not like it. Played smth else

[serene sage]

Doesn't nier comes with an ungodly name like nier Automata version 1.64618295819 something?

[bold ibex]

That's the DLC

[serene sage]

Damn

It's 4:20 yo

[umbral scaffold]

Isn't that just a coomer version of DMC? That also has one of the best OSTs ever?

[wanton dawn]

Still easier to remember than dt mission name

[serene sage]

There's erm Hab Dreko

And erm

The rest

[umbral scaffold]

Consignment Yard Delta-Poopy-Pants Gamma

[bold ibex]

If point blank's bonus started /after/ weapon swap... and maybe a lil higher, it'd be so good. D:

I'm still kinda flipflopping on using it over surgical though since 99% of the time, I just hipfire the revolver after a melee attack

[bold bridge]

@elder fractal congrats, you converted me into a MG4 lasgun fan.

[serene sage]

Need Handcanon and you're okay I think

[tulip sandal]

Just come back from a vacation wtf happened where are my builds and why my revolver sucks now 😭😭😭😭

[stuck crystal]

Surgical is great for sniping Crushers etc if you have Hand Cannon

[south garnet]

sigma beta male grandma's basement age nine seven

level names I will never remember

[serene sage]

Male grandma

Truly

[high sierra]

Help!!!! Is this false advertising? Or is there something wrong with my game?

[tulip sandal]

And the 350 bolter i just got before leavinf also sucks now what is goinf on

[serene sage]

You'll need to be more specific bro

[stuck crystal]

Weapon Customization mod? Could be messing with the skin

[high sierra]

Ah ok

Yes i do have it

[stuck crystal]

Try using only default parts and then applying the skin

[south garnet]

the model looks like the left ingame, dunno where the right is from. cosmetics have been bugging out and not visually equipping properly, might have to select another then re-equip

[high sierra]

K ty

[south garnet]

oh this is the mod thing, nvm

[stuck crystal]

I haven't had any issues with the 'recolour' skins and the mod, but I don't have any 'full' weapon skins to try it with

[high sierra]

also does the new helmet with the "flashlight" do anything?

[bold ibex]

That's fair... I guess I should just figure out what a revolver's base crit rate first and see if it's even necessary to have the 20% more crit to reliably kill normal enemies. Since guaranteed crits on snipers/crushers/gunners is probably more important

[high sierra]

Or is it purely cosmetic

[south garnet]

don't understand why people mod the look of things only they will be able to see, but it's certainly cheaper than paying for crappy looking cosmetics, so I guess ymmv

[stuck crystal]

Sights on Mk3 Hellbore

That's reason enough to install the mod

[south garnet]

oh yea this one is fair

[stuck crystal]

And if I have the mod anyway, why not customize my other weapons?

[south garnet]

yea, whatever floats your boat I say

[stuck crystal]

I usually just press random a few times till I have a cool looking sword though

[empty heron]

Thank you machine god

[stuck crystal]

And every weapon with ADS gets a sight

[south garnet]

hard to talk shit when the last bethesda game I played I literally could not stomach without installing almost 900 mods

see the first wood texture and fall to the floor vomiting uncontrollably

[high sierra]

This do anything?

[south garnet]

makes u look like a dork, otherwise no

[quaint valve]

makes you run slower

[stuck crystal]

I doubt they'd sell a cosmetic that adds a light source

[south garnet]

zealot's shoulder candle being the only exception afaik

[high sierra]

They god damn should

[south garnet]

and a tiny one

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, but shoulder candles are not going to make you see in Lights Out

[serene sage]

That zealot skin is so sick thou

Gotta give it to them

Best docket skin for sure

[stuck crystal]

Vet white armour set takes the best docket skin, imo

[serene sage]

I have that one, I think it's ugly

Much prefer the Motis set

For vet

[bold ibex]

what's the revolver's base crit rate not including its stat boost to crit?

[south garnet]

some of the cosmetics are pretty inspired, would be nice if they, I don't know, expanded the docket shop or something. Probably never gonna happen again but oh well

[serene sage]

10%›

[south garnet]

I'm sure there will be more penances at some point

[gloomy dove]

Well how’s the key stone skill going

I literally give up on that

[south garnet]

middle and right - good
left - bad and wrong and dumb

except for shotgun and laspistol

[serene sage]

honestly, they are awesome are really strong if you can get there and not lose your sanity along the way

[gloomy dove]

I only run for plasma, so I don’t know what does the greatest benefit now

[south garnet]

middle

[gloomy dove]

I am a controller handheld guy

[serene sage]

plasma? i say middle

then definitely middle

[south garnet]

^

[gloomy dove]

Without an aim, plasma is so hard to sue

Use

[south garnet]

this guy playing DT on his switch

[serene sage]

just run melee grenade vet

like I do

it's probably the best build that I have right now

[gloomy dove]

Yep I am playing on my rog ally

[stuck crystal]

I couldn't even try to play any ranged focused build on controller

Heck, I couldn't even play my zealot on controller

Revolver goes brrrr

[serene sage]

I can only play 2D games on controller

[gloomy dove]

Well just try to get used to it lol

[serene sage]

never had a console until i was an adult

[gloomy dove]

Fuck it

[stuck crystal]

Eh, I play MonHun ranged weapons with my Switch Pro controller with the motion sense enabled when aiming

[gloomy dove]

Hatest in the game

I mean the bomber hhh

[south garnet]

i play using a wacom drawing tablet and pen, pressure sensitive haptic wheel, a one handed 360* scroll orb, and racing pedals from a sega saturn

[stuck crystal]

But a big monster is something very different from the 3 pixels of Sniper head you really want to hit

[serene sage]

doesn't consol have aim assist?

[gloomy dove]

That is crazy, I was playing league on my mobile studio with touch screen I knew that hhh

[stuck crystal]

No idea, I only have a BloodborneStation 4 and a Switch

[serene sage]

I didn't know this setup is so popular because all my teammates seem to use the same

[forest blaze]

Plasma

• Left tree is ok but headshots are a little funky with plasma. You’ll have big damage spikes but it’s finicky. Good with executioners if you’re chaining one shot headshots. Most of the talents to get here are actually worthless on plasma. Precision Strikes only actually gives 7-12% extra damage. It’s really tiny. Like 50-100 damage. Deadshot doesn’t work. Suppression dumb. Las crit refund? Lame.
• Middle tree super good. You can ignore retarget and the 8 stacks. Big damage spikes and big monstrosity damage. Gives a good nudge for breakpoints but nothing crazy. The main point on this tree is that all the good plasma talents are here
• Right tree will hurt your damage but you’ll be a lot more well rounded. Bring Krak grenades for crushers. Auto reload and auto crit for plasma is pretty wacky

[quick burrow]

plasma doesnt need perks for it to be good

[gloomy dove]

Very appreciate on that man, thx!

[serene sage]

hard disagree on the retarget and 8 stack for middle tree

[quick burrow]

point click and blow away all enemy types

[serene sage]

if you go middle tree you should take them

[forest blaze]

I didn’t find retarget and 8 stacks hitting any breakpoints

[stuck crystal]

Hellbore Mk3 with middle keystone. Aim, charge, tag and zap

[serene sage]

it's free 12% all damage with near permanent up time

[gloomy dove]

I don’t mind take lose some damage for it, I try to survived pretty much hhh

[forest blaze]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it ends up being like 50-100 damage, which doesn’t typically hit breakpoints. I didn’t find my games being different with or without it on plasma

[wanton dawn]

It applies to everyone though

[forest blaze]

The biggest difference I found was using those 2 talents to make your frag grenades bitchin

[serene sage]

idk man, it's 12% damage so if you don't think it's worth idk what does

[forest blaze]

Hahaha fuck everyone

[stuck crystal]

I only run the toughness addition to the keystone. Toughness is always good

[gloomy dove]

True

[south garnet]

I did a match a couple days ago with 3 vets who had middle tree maxed out and kept layer-tagging the same enemy. I don't know if the bonuses stack across vets or not with those (for example, I know ammo replen doesn't stack) but it did seem like enemies dropped like sacks of bricks

[gloomy dove]

That is what I am doing now, feel smoother

[bold ibex]

think agile engagement is worth giving up survivalist+frag grenade on a weapon swap build?

[forest blaze]

Agile engagement is pog af

[serene sage]

bonuses stack and refresh themselves

[south garnet]

Very smooth sailing, nobody even went down on hi shock dam

[south garnet]

damn, yea that definitely explains it

[golden axle]

agile is crazy good but cant say for sure on your build/playstyle if its worth those change ups

[forest blaze]

If you’re doing weapon specialist you should basically always do agile. In fact, on most builds you should be trying to fit agile

[serene sage]

so if you already have say 7 stacks, tagging enemy with min stack (1) will get you to 8 and refresh the duration

[stuck crystal]

Drop survivalist to piss off your Gunlugger buddies

[gloomy dove]

Well is scavenger worth doing it now without bigs?

[bold ibex]

true... it's the difference between oneshotting and twoshotting at a lot of breakpoints

[wanton dawn]

You are banned from playing survivalist then

[south garnet]

wow that... is incredibly fuckin ace. Guarantee that doesn't last more than another patch

[bold ibex]

every vet build i try to do, I'm always short by 1 or 2 points that every other class doesn't need for their keystones. :I

[serene sage]

yeah I did not understand how that works before and boy was I surprised

tagging is busted

[gloomy dove]

I feel like it is a bit off

[serene sage]

story of my life

[gloomy dove]

Just feel like my veteran life get shorter after patch

[golden axle]

with how obnoxious the tree is spread right now most builds are precisely 1 talent point off from being complete. Its that fucking stam node near the top.

[south garnet]

FS will circumcise the vet tree soon and pretend it was all part of the plan

[civic knot]

What should i keep/change?

[forest blaze]

Hahahha I have not found the +12% or 8 stacks to be a difference in a W or L with Plasma but I have found that better grenades, better solo toughness regen, agile, or better infil all are higher impact. Much higher. In a quest to budget those 1-2 talents, I feel strongly that with plas they’re better spent elsewhere

[ivory rock]

Pray that I can save this thing from Brunt

[forest blaze]

Not to mention. Blueberries won’t perform different with +12% extra damage

[quaint valve]

Both blessings are bad, and need to be swapped. Leaves you with very mid perks

[umbral scaffold]

Here, some PTSD

[civic knot]

yikes....

[south garnet]

my plasma build with middle tree has weakspot damage, longshot, competitive, and a couple others. Definitely hits breakpoints which I knew at the time, although my brain has sinced moved on to making other more convoluted builds work

[wanton dawn]

If you go infiltrate over voc then sure

[gloomy dove]

Yep I see people doing it with one shot specialist

[bold ibex]

this is what i've settled on. useless smoke grenades be damned.

[serene sage]

i mean you play how you like. me personally it's really big for my guns but especially my melee

[bold ibex]

i'm just debating between exhilrating and confirmed kill since the toughness damage reduction is fairly similar

[forest blaze]

Precision only adds 50-100 damage, same with retarget at 8 stacks. It doesn’t typically hit many breakpoints

[gloomy dove]

I just not a great aiming guy, so just gonna live with it, I just like unique weapons from veteran oh..

[civic knot]

this better?

[serene sage]

I can get up to like 30%+ damage on melee which makes a world of difference

[golden axle]

oof 319 is hurting those spreads

[serene sage]

do you take any +damage talent at all with that reasoning?

like if they are all so abysmall you would just skip every +damage talent (maybe except agile since you mentioned it)

[wanton dawn]

He takes agile so yes

[south garnet]

it helps to have the whatever increased power blessing on continuous fire for plasma

in combination

[serene sage]

I mean beyond that, do you really just take agile and say okay build has enough damage

time to go full defensive?

cause if he somehow makes it work, props to him

[ivory rock]

Which of these two is better? I feel like the 369 cause I doubt stability is all that important on a fukin shotty right?

[lilac eagle]

Left ones just better innit

[gloomy dove]

I would like the 1st

[serene sage]

i like the first because it has 69 in it

[gloomy dove]

Yep ammo and more damage, fuck stability it is a shotgun

[minor brook]

im hearing now revolver is all the rage

[south garnet]

on the one hand I do get the sentiment where it's "well, what's one more round fired in x circumstance" or whatever. But I definitely do get hitting significant breakpoints with specific builds, either for overall ammo economy or something more specific like TTK when you're planning on grouped patrols or similar

[ivory rock]

Autism moment I like it cause it's all multiplicative of 3

[tall torrent]

Left
Stability kind of matters (how much ur accuracy differs when suppressed by enemies) but it’s not a big deal with shotguns

[ivory rock]

Revolver been p sexy imo Tara

[south garnet]

and rending node on left tree still SUCKS and I"m still RIGHT

[wanton dawn]

I would not know i never play left above the first tier with weakspot dmg+

[south garnet]

this guy has it right

[minor brook]

thats so much damage wtf

[serene sage]

i heard they are buffing it next patch

[limpid hull]

we had more before the nerf

way more

[serene sage]

what nerf?

revolver was buffed 4 patches straight lol

[limpid hull]

the skill tree change was a dmg nerf overall

[slow spade]

Revolver needs another buff

[slow spade]

Not for revolver lol

[south garnet]

mainly for rending

[limpid hull]

oh no, not the revolver, the weapon that already did what its doing now, before the change

[serene sage]

revolver doesn't need rending from talent :3

[stuck crystal]

Revolver has up to 80% rending anyway

[south garnet]

yep

[slow spade]

Revolver needs 3 more buffs as demanded by Nurgle

[slow spade]

Yeah and it needs another buff

[wanton dawn]

Revolver nerfed, handcannon is ranged only

[serene sage]

currently revolver doesn't one shot bosses

[slow spade]

Idk give it assail tracking

[serene sage]

with such a low ammo count it's hard to make it work

[stuck crystal]

I equipped a IV Hand Cannon Revolver on my zealot to try it out. It has yet to leave the ranged weapon slot

[serene sage]

we need another round of buffs

[limpid hull]

no, not mainly for rending. we lost 3 easy access dmg perks. agile engagement, bring it down and superiority complex

[slow spade]

Revolver needs assail tracking

So it never misses weakspots UwU

[limpid hull]

and they went and nerfed bring it down 5%

[south garnet]

it will get nerfed until you forget there's even a revolver in the game again. darktide moves in cycles. The first half of the prophecy is already being repeated in the form of every vet and his elderly grandmother using the Mk 6 PS (where before cycler existed, it was the mk 3) - now all we need is a bolter resurgence.

[limpid hull]

also nerfed the hell out of marksman. that keystone does not make up for it

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i put down my revolver for now. Am plasma boy now

[serene sage]

let me introduce you to weapon specialist, the biggest buff this patch

[limpid hull]

lol

i cannot argue with this mystic knowledge

[serene sage]

BOLTER SWAP SPEED incoming?

[limpid hull]

weapon specialist was more of a melee buff. we had enough crit before

[serene sage]

no no the reload perk

[limpid hull]

oh! and a qol for reload fr fr

fair enough. that reload is dope

my ammo tho

[ivory rock]

The thing a lot of people don't know is that if you go focus target and spam out the ping, you always make the enemy take more dmg yea, but if you have modifiers for dmg bonus it resets per kill, so you keep a +12% dmg bonus for yourself and everyone in coherency the whole time. With this build I also take the dmg bonus aura since Revolver hits hard and doesn't use much ammo. Essentially even at one stack per enemy they're taking 4% increased dmg and myself / allies in coherency have 17% increased dmg.

Plus this is the revolver, not the best but it works till I am blessed by Hadrons rude azz

[limpid hull]

I DO think the mid tree changes are really good, for the team. Im not going to bother complaining rn. you guys heard it all before. im on my positive trip rn

shame its hard to get people to shoot the yellow target

[serene sage]

shoot it yourself

i run full middle for myself

[south garnet]

groovin on the positive aura, chakras aligned, planetary cycles in rythym

[limpid hull]

oh no! the thing i always do! how could i have known

[serene sage]

i outdamage my teammates by a mile even with all the buffs I give them

[south garnet]

I use tag as a diversion to make my team look away from what I actually want to shoot

[limpid hull]

what? seems pretty weird considering the dmg loss you take for picking mid tree

[south garnet]

the killing whatever it is is just a bonus

[limpid hull]

would be pretty broken if mid tree out dmgs the left AND right tree

[south garnet]

dangling shiny keys in front of my teammates

[limpid hull]

considering its the most support tree of all

[wanton dawn]

Mid tree has little to no dmg loss actually

[limpid hull]

full mid? vs full right or left?

[wanton dawn]

Both

[limpid hull]

or are you thinking only bottom mid, vs left and right

[civic knot]

good? i can just replace ghost

[serene sage]

idk if we can beat good left tree players
but we can definitely beat right tree if the revolver isn't so damn stupid right now

[south garnet]

middle tree all the way down is actually the best because then I don't have to play the game, I just get to act like middle management