veteran-class

[frank ledge]

grr

[quick burrow]

its worse with surge staff pasyker because they spam that really fast and 2 blasts ruins poxs

[karmic musk]

Can go the Longshot - Exhilarating Takedown route too for optimal dps

[frank ether]

kinda pisses me off its the slowest firing one too

[frank ledge]

Exhilerating takedown is a death sentence

[forest scaffold]

It has 4.5 my apologies

but I also run blaze away

[karmic musk]

Its fixed

[forest scaffold]

for another 40% power

[frank ether]

feel like helbore 3 should have like 3-4 cleave for charged shots

[karmic musk]

I just want instant draw

[forest scaffold]

4.5 x 1.4 = 6.3 cleave

[sharp ember]

alright alright, i think 4.5 is still enough to stop on the 3rd scab bruiser

[frank ledge]

Team cleave atleast

[frank ether]

Now that I can't just on demand delete crushers it feels like the most pointless variant

[strange grove]

I would like this. HB3 is only fun on gauntlet missions

[versed osprey]

@thick prairie this u?

[quick burrow]

oh i can get an extra point if i drop left top tree and go down middle

trading exhil take for confirmed kill

[thick prairie]

nah

[thick rose]

they really gotta do something with the chainxe

[versed osprey]

he was a cool ogryn tho

[forest scaffold]

why not just run all three

[nimble sentinel]

this also works well

[forest scaffold]

3.5% more toughness on kills, Exhi Takedown, Confirmed Kill

literally just another veteran keystone

[quick burrow]

i dont have the poitns to run all 3 😦

[queen skiff]

What perks should I look for on the revolver?

[forest scaffold]

flak, maniac, hand cannon, surgical

[quick burrow]

didnt they fix ex kill now?

[forest scaffold]

yeah

its now 30% damage reduction

as intended

not +30% damage taken

[frank ether]

Pre-keynotes at any given time you could press F to have it up and have 10 seconds to delete crushers, now you have to take the dumb keystone and stand still or shoot other shit in the head to build stacks, and you still need volley fire anyways

[queen skiff]

Awesome, thank you

[strange grove]

Just get rid of this node and give all nades the +!5 toughness

[empty heron]

nah don't need flak

[forest scaffold]

You do for crit-less one shots

on scab shotgunners

and scab machinegunners

[empty heron]

What Puri said but Carapace over flak imo

[empty heron]

Just hit head

[queen skiff]

I only go for headshots so Carapace then?

[forest scaffold]

Veteran has 20 nodes over the other classes

20 nodes need to be removed

and if vetty boi ends up too strong, nerf him

That easy

But considering that veteran has what

[empty heron]

At least in my opinion yes. That way you can 2-shot most crushers even if you miss 1 headshot

[strange grove]

20 seems too high, are you sure?

[forest scaffold]

three sources of damage reduction, and three sources of toughness regeneration

I doubt he'll ever end up too strong

the Unwavering Focus build is dead

[queen skiff]

Wonderful, thank you.

[forest scaffold]

Yeah, he actually has 20 extra nodes

over the other classes

[quick burrow]

ya i just dont have the points 😦 dang

[forest scaffold]

There's just a lot of useless garbage in his tree

[queen skiff]

Also, I'm running the smoke grenade right now and trying to find the best uses for it. Any recommendations or should I save some points and go down the flak grenade route?

[forest scaffold]

Smoke+Counterfire using Priority Targeting

[timid otter]

I dont understand what you mean. Born leader is op.

[empty heron]

@delicate moat ^

[karmic musk]

Smoke is a meme, don't let anyone tell you otherwise

[forest scaffold]

throw a smoke, press F, teammates in coherency can see through the smoke

it solves the biggest issue with smoke grenades

[quick burrow]

i could drop shock trooper and take field improsation

[empty heron]

It doesn't work unless you have lost toughness

[forest scaffold]

doesn't do much against snipers unfortunately

but since the pressure from other ranged enemies is gone, you can focus on that problem

[queen skiff]

I thought it would be good for reviving teammates but stealth stance seems more consistent.

[strange grove]

But you need exec stance for that

[frank ether]

too bad its on the opposite side of volley fire lmao

[serene sage]

the thing is if certain builds get just like 2-3 more points, they would be OP as fuck

[trim hemlock]

But they only see the elites/specials/shooters/(ogryns). You can still be pummeled by regular melee enemies

[forest scaffold]

#zealot-class message

[empty heron]

ah joke.

[forest scaffold]

[trim hemlock]

And regardless, that’s a hefty point investment

[serene sage]

like if full middle doesn't have to take 3 dead points, you would have a god

[forest scaffold]

exe stance+smoke grenades build

[frank ether]

you can fix this problem at its core making smokes actually useful for something (maybe fire extinguish?) or replacing them entirely

[topaz lance]

Some rebalancing would be necessary, but the tree needs to be trimmed.

[frank ether]

visibility is better when you're inside the smoke btw

[thick rose]

smoke should put everyone inside it into camoflage

[forest scaffold]

You say this like Fatshark just can't nerf Veteran

[gusty sundial]

Does the plasma gun have a multi-stage charge?
Like, does it have 'uncharged, slightly charged, fully charged' or is it always 'uncharged vs fully charged'.

[forest scaffold]

Strawman argument

Veteran needs to be trimmed massively

[topaz lance]

At the very least make smoke nades them stop snipers

[forest scaffold]

if builds end up OP, nerf them

[timid otter]

Cant they just do like this

[forest scaffold]

Not trimming the tree because "Vet might get too strong" is the stupidest argument on the planet

[queen skiff]

So maybe switch off smoke. Got it.

[frank ether]

its far from the dumbest I've seen in this chat

but its pretty up there

[empty heron]

best build right now imo:

[timid otter]

They already made the talents its a waste to throw them all away for the sake of trimming

[strange grove]

What weapons?

[forest scaffold]

No its not.

[empty heron]

[forest scaffold]

Sunk cost fallacy

which is a fallacy

[slow spade]

Its funny how people will say vet is the weakest then another will say vet will get way too strong with another 3 points

[nimble sentinel]

remind me in 3 hours I'm gonna run this after work

[serene sage]

I think you are the one doing the strawman because I am basically agreeing with you that if vet tree gets trimmed they will also need nerf lmao

[forest scaffold]

Logical Fallacies should never be used as an intellectual argument.

[sharp ember]

yes it has a partial charge shot, usually amounts to 7 ammo. Not very different from 2 uncharged shots

[serene sage]

I'm just saying one of the reasons

[empty heron]

Tried to make the most horrible tree

[forest scaffold]

Okay, that's fair.

[strange grove]

Oh lol

[slow spade]

Says the Ogryn, opinion disregarded

UwU

[forest scaffold]

Its just you didn't include that in your previous statement.

[timid otter]

There are better methods then removing 20 talents completely

[forest scaffold]

Well, they need to be removed/condensed.

Like, need need.

[slow spade]

Removing talents AND nodes

[forest scaffold]

Why does veteran have a billion stat nodes.

[serene sage]

I see that you have committed Fallacy Fallacy 😎

[forest scaffold]

That just eat up all your points

[slow spade]

Also they should buff Tactical Awareness

[topaz lance]

The tree only looks like it does beause they have scrapped multiple versions of it already. They should remove any node that's not worth taking.

[gusty sundial]

Thanks. It was hard for me to tell. Sometimes the shot takes forever to come out even when spamming the shot button and other times almost instantly.

[slow spade]

No reason, they just should

[forest scaffold]

why are half the ability nodes just absolutely garbage

who the fuck wants 50% more suppression

who does that even help

[slow spade]

If they reset with exec stance, they'd at least be worth for left side

But nope

[sharp ember]

i assure you it is vital that veteran's bottom middle tree is gated by a +25% suppression node

[nimble sentinel]

hell I'm shooting at everything I THINK moves and even I don't want it

[karmic musk]

Asking that here is a mistake, incoming nerd thats gonna tell you the 1% situation where that will work

[forest scaffold]

If veteran gains 50% toughness, why is a teammate gaining 7.5 useful

[brisk sapphire]

Finally tried left keystone... feels pretty strong with laspistol

[serene sage]

after more testing, middle keystone is actually so good, not broken, but definitely worth taking all 3 upgrades

[empty heron]

Nice!

[slow spade]

You joke but someone unironically said they use the +50% suppression node

[forest scaffold]

I don't think the stacks one is worth it.

[sharp ember]

even the damage buff after kill?

[karmic musk]

Plot twist: i wasn't joking

[serene sage]

oh no it absolutely is

[forest scaffold]

10 seconds is already a long time to not be using vision abilities

Making that 16 seconds is monkaW

[slow spade]

ESPECIALLY that one lmao

[forest scaffold]

I can't fucking see shit anymore

cause no vets are pinging regularly

[slow spade]

That's like the best upgrade node

[serene sage]

you guys don't understand

[forest scaffold]

cause they're trying to save it

[slow spade]

😔

[serene sage]

the buff refreshes itself

[empty heron]

Also good with revolver!

[serene sage]

so 10s is false

it's actually as long as you kill an elite within 10s

you keep your stacks

so 8 stacks can be kept up near permanently

[slow spade]

It also stacks with itself so if you have 4 stacks of the buff then kill an enemy with 2 stacks. Its turns into 6 stacks

[topaz lance]

Maybe they can make some talents/nodes be parallel like they did with twinned blast,

[slow spade]

So its actually better than it looks

[forest scaffold]

So its bugged to high noon and back

[sharp ember]

I usually use guns that are breakpoint-sufficient so I haven't thought much of it

[serene sage]

as long you keep tag something in 10s and it is killed by you or your teammates

[topaz lance]

which also alleviates the point tax to get to the bottom#

[slow spade]

Team wide buff

[serene sage]

I think it's intentional since it's "additive"

[forest scaffold]

I play ogryn

[frank ledge]

Survivalist has to go. It is game breaking

[slow spade]

There's no class that won't benefit from a 12% buff

[forest scaffold]

the only gun that benefits from it is GG

[timid otter]

I find this a better alternative to deleting talents

[forest scaffold]

on the topic of breakpoints

I'm pretty sure I could one-shot a mauler marked by veteran using GG

[sharp ember]

I suppose so, how long does it last?

[forest scaffold]

Which is niche

[frank ledge]

You can

[forest scaffold]

And something I can't guarantee

[frank ledge]

It's awesome

[slow spade]

10 sec + refreshes + stacks with itself

Essentially near constant

[frank ledge]

Was running it with my friend Dislexio

[forest scaffold]

The other weapon is the Achlys Twin-Linked Heavy Stubber

[serene sage]

honestly, all the freaking time

[frank ledge]

Clearly veterans are ogryns togheter strong

[forest scaffold]

its not really "breakpoints" at that point though

[serene sage]

at max stacks

[forest scaffold]

its "Damage Per Second"

[sharp ember]

stacks AND refreshes?

[empty heron]

They are bonded for life

[forest scaffold]

Sah, big gun go bang bang bang. I shoots lots sah!

[pearl granite]

are these blessings looking good? which one should be replaced with power cycle? 😄

[forest scaffold]

Thanks for pointing out targets sah!

But jesus I wish more veterans would tag enemies

I CANT SEE SHIT SAH

[empty heron]

wrath

[slow spade]

It has 8 stacks cap so it can gain more stacks + other Veteran buffs stack with it

[sharp ember]

definitely swap out wrath

[forest scaffold]

TOO MUCH FLAME SAH

[umbral scaffold]

+Maniac and +? for plasma? Carapace could be nice for crushers but seems pointless just for a single enemy, unyielding to double down on boss damage would be nice, Flak and the rest seem pointless.

[slow spade]

So you can have multiple +12% damage stacks going

[serene sage]

so let's say you tag something with 8 stacks
that thing dies
you get 10s
within that 10s, you tag another thing, that thing dies
whatever stack you added after (let's say just 1) is added to the 8 +1 (but 8 cap) so you stay at 8 for another 10s

[forest scaffold]

Maniac, Unyielding, Flak, Elites

I

[slow spade]

Ping keystone is cracked

[forest scaffold]

I think that's everything for perks on plasma gun

they all have breakpoints

[nimble sentinel]

we must have never grouped up together I tag everything that I can tag

[serene sage]

basically if you keep pinging you will have 8 stacks near permanently
just try it in game

[slow spade]

No you need power cycler or its going to feel bad

[empty heron]

I wish anyone could tag more enemies

[sharp ember]

oh okay, I was confused that it could ascend beyond 8 stacks

[umbral scaffold]

I see, guess I'll take Unyielding then since it already deletes everything effortlessly.

[nimble sentinel]

I also shoot hordes suck my kraks nerds

[pearl granite]

btw is supercharge good on p sword?

[forest scaffold]

the breakpoint you get on unyielding is one-shotting reapers with a fully charged headshot

[slow spade]

It technically can with multiple Vets as you can have multiple buffs

[forest scaffold]

Just as an FYI

[sharp ember]

that's neat that it builds up your max stacks by yourself

[serene sage]

no but its duration is refreshed if you add more stacks

yeah

it's actually nutty

[slow spade]

Only 1 use case of cleaving through ragers. Otherwise its inferior to Brutal Momentum

[serene sage]

also that's all damage by the way

so nades count

[slow spade]

And bleed

[umbral scaffold]

I just want more capital d boss damage but thats nice I guess?

[slow spade]

Which is comfy

[serene sage]

which is also heavily supported by the same tree

[forest scaffold]

Actually useful, not gonna lie.

Since fatshark added the three ogryn group

[serene sage]

I think I can break 1M damage with this build if my team lets me

[forest scaffold]

You can full charge behind cover, walk out, one shot reaper, dodge back into cover

[slow spade]

Bosses are a bitch for plasma so killing faster isn't bad

[forest scaffold]

rinse and repeat twice more

[pearl granite]

so psword with brutal momentum and power cycler would be best?

[forest scaffold]

Power Sword 6

specifically

[slow spade]

Yes for MK6

[empty heron]

show build

[forest scaffold]

mk3 power got left behind when fatshark normalized energized damage on light attacks and heavy attacks

[slow spade]

MK3 is fine with slaughterer or brutal momentum

[forest scaffold]

the mk3 power sword has no reason to exist compared to the mk6

[pearl granite]

what's the dif between ps mk3 and ps mk6

[slow spade]

MK3 doesn't get slowed by charging but can't block

That's the only real difference

[forest scaffold]

attack animations

[umbral scaffold]

Sunder is also a good one to replace momentum on Power Sword, lets you cleave through bulwark shields and crushers.

[slow spade]

MK3 does not slow when charging but can't block

MK6 slows when charging but can block when charging

Generally speaking use the one you get power cycler 4 on first

[umbral scaffold]

Also the push attack, MK3 has normal overhead MK6 has stab

[serene sage]

I got like 760k about 2/3 my way through some map with this but we wiped
If we didn't I really think that was a 1M game

[empty heron]

Interesting. No scavenger though?

[forest scaffold]

Flat Horizontal x 2>Diagonal>overhead on mk6 light attacks

Diagonal x infinity>Mk3 light attacks

Diagonal x infinity> mk6 heavy attacks

Flat horizontal x infinity > mk3 heavy attacks

@pearl granite

[sharp ember]

mk6 has an incredible moveset with single target options that destroy crushers with charged stabs

[slow spade]

Imagine needing ammo

[pearl granite]

okay, thanks

[umbral scaffold]

Gunlugger in disguise detected.

[slow spade]

Be aware that MK6 needs power cycler for its "fuck crushers" combo

[forest scaffold]

Fatshark needs to unnormalize the energized damage for the mk3 to have a reason to exist

[empty heron]

[forest scaffold]

[serene sage]

yeah, not enough points
im testing out this build to try
ammo is a problem which is why the team needs to share

[forest scaffold]

If the mk3 and mk6 did ~25% more damage on heavy attacks

we'd be back to pre-patch 13

do you want giga damage on heavy attacks

or safety in light attacks

Making both mk6 and mk3 power sword competitive options against each other

[slow spade]

Not taking the middle's damage resist or kill confirmed is spicy

[empty heron]

Yeah I can understand. This one looks possible too though!

[true thistle]

worth changing the Wrath to the More Crits blessing?

[serene sage]

like Sheodoq said no CK is very spicy

you will need to play well around your ping

so you can refresh toughness off that

also pray that your nades are good so you get toughness back from Out for Blood

[slow spade]

Shred resets on misses so its not going to get full value imo

[serene sage]

the Fire Team route you have so much toughness you don't know what to do with but no ammo
in pugs it's actually quite hard to find ammo

[slow spade]

I'd stick with Wrath to compensate for chainsword's lower cleave on lights

[umbral scaffold]

Shred is a good damage buff regardless if it resets on a miss.
Having constant crits is a good damage buff.

Crits have more cleave too, no?

Or am I stuck in Ratclick?

[slow spade]

Not constant crits, its up to +20% more crit

If this was a Zealot, I'd use Shred

And crits don't have more cleaves as far as I know

While 25% crit isn't bad, its not constantly up and resets easily

[true thistle]

I find that I spam heavies more on chainsword, is heavy held back much by cleave?

[umbral scaffold]

Heavy is what cleaves more so you are good

[slow spade]

Na heavy's cleave is fine

[empty heron]

I enjoy heavies myself when there are many enemies

[agile mango]

what's the one-shot head-shot breakpoint on non-volleyfire revolver?

[empty heron]

lights when there are 1-4

[serene sage]

isn't light spam still better for horde?

[slow spade]

With Wrath yes, idk about with shred

[gray sun]

are they done with the veteran tree or will they still make some changes
I got no idea what keystone or such I should take for a shotgun

[umbral scaffold]

On what? You need to specify

[serene sage]

heavy is good to rev a mutant and that's about it?

[empty heron]

Possibly. But the 2nd swing is horizontal on lights. The heavies are vertical

Only reason why i do it at least. + it's easy to dodge into the heavy swings

[pearl granite]

is accatran mk2 recon lasgun good?

[empty heron]

so you never get hit

[slow spade]

I hope not, while I'm ok with the current state, its a bit limiting on builds

[slow spade]

No

[umbral scaffold]

Recons are trash, the era of supersoaker vet is over.

[pearl granite]

[serene sage]

ngl after playing with CAxe2, the CS seems so weak

[slow spade]

Columbus is superior to recons in virtually every way

[serene sage]

based and ballistic pilled

[slow spade]

To be fair, its just true :p

[serene sage]

tis'

[umbral scaffold]

MG IV Infantry Las is the closest you'll get to a "recon" like without it being trash.

FullAuto mod is mandatory though.

Unless you are a carpal tunnel enjoyer.

[gray sun]

the keystone for not moving feels bad because, you need to move to dodge
the one for switching weapons doesn't vibe with me (I like my gun)
and the last keystone is solved by a krak grenade

[pearl granite]

ya cuz I found a 380 base recon lasgun in the shop

will just buy it for keepsake

[slow spade]

Just aim for head

[umbral scaffold]

Pick it up, wait for inevitable buff down the line.

[gray sun]

are mods ok ?

[slow spade]

Stacks never go away

[umbral scaffold]

Yes

[slow spade]

Headshot keystone is fine

[sharp ember]

mods are greenlit as long as they do not screw with other players

[empty heron]

combat axes are amazing. I still struggle with them on big hordes though. They tend to stop in 2+ enemies even with bromentum. You experience this?

[slow spade]

Feels like people bring some stupid shit like braced autogun and then wonder why stacks go away

[serene sage]

the middle keystone gives you 12% all damage and toughness replen with near perma uptime
give it a shot fam

the sad part is that you need to pick 3 semi dead nodes

[slow spade]

Middle keystone does feel better to use vs the headshot keystone though

[serene sage]

Suppression Born Leader and Team Toughness Replen

[slow spade]

Team buffs and more builds

[empty heron]

You should still test marksman! A lot of people don't realize you actually can move a lot if you keep hitting headshots

[serene sage]

it just gives them the confidence to go and die more

i wish im joking

[slow spade]

Yeah its just people parroting "b-but keystone bad" without actually using it

[empty heron]

👆

[serene sage]

yeah I retract what I said about keystones, they are really solid, a lot more so on paper

but the path to them is truly horrid

[slow spade]

Its nice when you get a team that actually uses it well

Only one near dead experience, but I was packing a plasma so it was fine

[serene sage]

you need to do tree gymnastic to get there

and it's not fun

[slow spade]

Zealot ran like 30m away and got pounced by hound

Plasma wallbang'd it though

The dopamine rush when people say "nice clean run. Thanks everyone"

[serene sage]

lvl 29 zel in Maelstrom, at least that dude is experienced with the 3 purity seals

honestly id take them rather than the fresh 30s console andys

[slow spade]

Lol yeah I was suspicious of it but I was running the meta shout build so I figure'd why not

[slow spade]

Same

[gray sun]

I am running marksman, I just like shotguns and my brain just believe that if I aim for the head with a shotgun I am wasting pellets that just go over the horde
I am simple and aim center of mass

[slow spade]

I genuinely would have left if they were xbox players

[empty heron]

Ah. That could explain it. I'm the opposite 😅

[slow spade]

Ironic you say that as shotgun is a headshot build now

Funny weakspot damage

• blessings apply to ALL pellets lmao

[empty heron]

big gun hit chest, simple as

[serene sage]

run marksman build
dont hit headshots
wtf this build sucks
... sorry no offense, im just memeing

[slow spade]

Vet with Kickback when?

[gray sun]

would the ogryn have a different weapon selection, I would play it

[empty heron]

ohhh that would be juicy af

[slow spade]

I didn't even realize that but yeah lmao

[untold mulch]

[empty heron]

Have you tried the kickback?

It's amazing

[serene sage]

have you tried the Kickback bro

if you want the shotgun experience try Ogryn

[slow spade]

Kickback is like the de facto ogryn ranged choice now

[serene sage]

yeah 8/10 ogryns run kickback

2/10 run rumble/archlys

[slow spade]

It even has the gib effect for that dopamine hit of seeing poxwalker explode into maggots

That rumbler nerf hit hard for me :c

Got to use shattering impact to deal good boss damage now

[serene sage]

kickback is a silly weapon, half the times im not even sure why i am doing so much damage

like I just shoot twice, check the scorebnoard and it's like 200k damage

[slow spade]

Same, something about minimum pellets or whatever

I just know kickback + Surgical = big number

[empty heron]

Haven't tested it yet but I want to try this with kickback for memes:

[slow spade]

Surgical on shotgun lmao

[serene sage]

oh yeah that's what I used to run, it sucks because there is zero toughness regen with that build though

you might need to take them heavy attacks toughness regen

actually that or just go full meme and change nothing

who is the glass canon now psyker

[south garnet]

I'm debating running a stealth knife + plasma build. Possibly the most annoying vet to have around

[slow spade]

I go bullgryn + Kickback

[serene sage]

make sure you have smoke nade too to complete the set

[slow spade]

No toughness issues and I only struggle vs bosses

[slow spade]

Make sure you got the camo upgrade so you can aggro patrols and make them target allies UwU

[south garnet]

"I'm just lining them up guys! Just hold em off ok, what are you doing? Why are you down?"

[serene sage]

take all the speed so you can lead that crusher overhead to your teammates as well

[slow spade]

I miss pre-patch 14 camo vet

[serene sage]

the Auric Terrorist build

[south garnet]

kek

[serene sage]

legit though I hate DH

because my frag nade radius are too damn big

it can accidentally hit DH from the other room

suffering from success

[empty heron]

[serene sage]

Honestly not really, I cleave them for days. The animation is wonky but the damage is there. You kinda need Bromentum though

[slow spade]

Yeah DH turns into a "no nade" zone

Sadly directly hitting a daemon host with a krak nade does aggro it UwU

[sharp ember]

does it stick when they're still sitting

[slow spade]

I thought it'd be funny it was

[languid escarp]

even if it doesnt the explosion will

[slow spade]

Yes, they're unyielding lol

[serene sage]

Pop quiz

[sharp ember]

the stick impact to wake them up, and then the delayed explosion to enrage them

[serene sage]

How much damage does the nade throw do

Not the explosion

[languid escarp]

3

[serene sage]

The throw

[languid escarp]

I think

[slow spade]

Hits for like 1

[serene sage]

Does it hit Weakspot?

[languid escarp]

I remember it hitting for 3 in psy

[slow spade]

I need more rending for more throw damage

[sharp ember]

does the same on weakspot i think

[slow spade]

Iirc the throw hits weakspot

The explosion doesn't

[serene sage]

Throw does hit Weakspot yeah

[slow spade]

(Expected but still big sad)

[south garnet]

I killed a reaper with the throw once

[serene sage]

I think its 3/4 for normal damage/weakspots

[sharp ember]

ah, the ogryn rock technique

[slow spade]

Ah I usually throw them at Ogryns so I normally see 1

Or 0 if bulwark lol

[untold mulch]

Yesterday I killed a Poxhound while throwing a nade to a Plagyue Ogryn

[languid escarp]

I wish there is a talent node that actually make use of Vet's passive of aiming down while crouching behind cover

[untold mulch]

Dog jumped mid throw

get styled on

[south garnet]

god it's the best feeling in the world killing a hound midair with something silly, or an attack that wasn't even primarily for the dog

[sharp ember]

i wish there was a stability bonus in that way for bracing your gun against a surface

[south garnet]

slapping it's stupid shit

its

whatever

[languid escarp]

yeah anti flinching would be great as well

[serene sage]

have yall have that dopamine hit when your nade kills 12+ gunners in one throw?

best experience in the game so far

[sharp ember]

i chase that high every time i see a clueless gunner patrol

[serene sage]

right?

[untold mulch]

Go downstairs

Shit ton of ragers

Pop all frag nades

[serene sage]

sometimes christmas happens

and it hits the other shotgunner patron behind the corner too

and kill feed is just lit up

[delicate moat]

#veteran-class message

[south garnet]

there have been so many times a mauler convention shows up and everyone panics, starts running around at 50 mph throwing down fire grenades and chucking kraks etc., big guy uses his big bomb and gets like one kill

throw a couple frags, killfeed overflows

[serene sage]

I should make a compilation of all the nade multi kills

and make it a YT short

[slow spade]

Its funny how much damage you can make frags do with all the damage buffs Vet has

[serene sage]

get demo team, get like one or two back, rinse and repeat

[serene sage]

let's see, fire team 5%, ping keystone 12%, tinkered 25% (and radius), +10% rending (? does this apply), +25% on ogryns/monstros

[slow spade]

Oh does Longshot not apply? Iirc it just says "damage"

[serene sage]

it says ranged based damage?

im not sure if nade counts as ranged though

[sharp ember]

Longshot counts, there's a ryken video that shows that

[serene sage]

if it does then for the emp also counts

oh sick

[sharp ember]

it's based on your distance from the explosion

[serene sage]

so is nade damage increased with ranged damage?

or just long shot

[sharp ember]

not sure about the rest, but Longshot for sure

[serene sage]

another question is should I take long shot for the meme

is this the nade build?

[slow spade]

I do it just because long shot is good

[serene sage]

honestly seems plenty viable

[civic knot]

Do all 3 shots get the crit chance from surgical blessing?

[serene sage]

full throttle? I call this the unabomber

[serene sage]

Someone please correct me but I think the crit string is 3 so no but actually yes?

[civic knot]

Lol

Guessing i cant complete this one with survivalist?

[sharp ember]

not sure if they fixed it yet

[versed osprey]

its fixed

Ive done it today

literally 20 min ago

Easy af to do with Shredder

[versed osprey]

yes survivalist

[civic knot]

nice

[civic knot]

what does shredder have to do with it

[candid tundra]

Recon lasgun still not viable? Just curious

[serene sage]

probably because high ammo res?

[serene sage]

nope

i mean "viable" sure

[versed osprey]

You spend more ammo with shredder, you also recover only 1% of ammo

[serene sage]

good, no

[versed osprey]

since shredder has a lot of ammo

you recover more ammo each time

[civic knot]

which one is shredder

[versed osprey]

equals to doing the penace fater

[serene sage]

the uzi looking pistol

[versed osprey]

faster

[serene sage]

the autopistol

[versed osprey]

the shredder is the one called Shredder

[civic knot]

okay and what should i run on it?

[serene sage]

the one that goes brrrrrr

[civic knot]

blessings? perks?

[versed osprey]

just whatever

[serene sage]

Pinning Fire Calvacade?

[civic knot]

ok

[versed osprey]

its an ok gun

[serene sage]

Flak Maniac as usual since it's high fire rate

so no breakpoint to be achieved

[pastel geode]

I thought that combo got nerfed a while back?

Dumb auto correct

[serene sage]

Pinning Fire is still BiS afaik

Not sure about Calvacade

Then again I'm not the Shredder expert

[pastel geode]

I just remember that before the rework people said they changed cavalcade to nerf it

🤷‍♂️ back then I was running shotgun on vet but that doesn’t feel viable anymore especially with the game director choosing violence nowadays

Columnus brauto is my go to now

[umbral scaffold]

Shotguns are way better than before though.

Lawbringer spreadshot with manstopper on a crit destroys hordes, even moreso with the finesse headshot keystone.

Agri slug deletes with the tag special keystone.

Kantrael is the only one kind of lacking but it has infinite pen fire shots.

[brisk sapphire]

Be methodical penance is 5 times in one mission right? Feel like I would've had it done by now otherwise

[pastel geode]

Kant was the one I ran with but lately when I run it I feel like I get overwhelmed too easily. Could just be a combination or rust and bad team matchups though?

[umbral scaffold]

Possible, Kantrael is kind of iffy because it has the lowest ammo count but the other two also can reach the breakpoints it has.
I'd only use kantrael on a zealot to be honest.

[pastel geode]

Which one is that again? Haven’t opened the penances in months

[brisk sapphire]

Have volley fire up for 20s 5 times

[strange grove]

Yes but doesn't have to be in one mission

[pastel geode]

Yeah that’s in one mission

Oh did they change it?

[whole moon]

does Vicious Slice stack with Savage Sweep? Cata IV Sword

[umbral scaffold]

Probably

[pastel geode]

The downside of me completing those challenges during open beta is I’m behind on the penance changes lol

[brisk sapphire]

It's one of the newer penances

I'vedone all the redacted penances

Except for some of the psyker ones

[fleet drift]

See some strange thing today

Daemonhost just left without killing anyone

[serene sage]

Are you sure someone didn't knock it off a ledge?

[fleet drift]

the guy aggro for sometime then suddenly left

No

It play the same animation where it warp away

Without killing anyone

[sharp trail]

host just wasn't feeling it that mission

[fresh jungle]

1.3 mil damage and 1.1 mil overkill dmg done that was a really long game with plasma gun and power sword 3, i think its the highest i ever got on a non melee only maelstrom mission

[pastel geode]

Daemonhosts been acting funky last few patches

I remember hearing a guy witnessed one stay just to kill the entire team instead of just 2 like normal

[gray stone]

so did they ever end up fixing that exhilarating takedown toughness bug or nah?

[pastel geode]

They said they did in the latest patch

[fleet drift]

Already fixed

[gray stone]

cheers

[median blade]

Does the penance "Make Every Shot Count" require a private match like the other redacted ones do?

[pastel geode]

I do find it amusing they managed to break it that way though:
“Fixed an issue where the Veteran “Exhilarating Takedown” talent was increasing the toughness damage taken instead of decreasing it.”

[serene sage]

Holy shit what build? Also what shenanigans happened this game? I don't think you can get that high naturally?

[pastel geode]

They penance itself will have text stating if it requires a private match

[elder vessel]

Least complicated Darktide Scoreboard

[sick marsh]

They have to really complicate these scoreboards. gotta say there's gotta be a problem if you're not top of the team in at least 1 of those categories.

[civic knot]

Why does my vet hold my gun facing up when I crouch? is this something to do with the weapon customization mod?

[serene sage]

are you close to an obstable/cover?

[civic knot]

no

[serene sage]

are you using bolter?

[civic knot]

no

it does it with the little smg and agripina AG weapons as well

[serene sage]

then idk

[nova bane]

Any tips for Make Every Shot Count penance? I'm trying with a plasma gun with only 24% ammo and still struggling.

[humble nova]

Just use a shotgun

[nova bane]

I... wow. I feel daft now. Thanks.

[agile mango]

Keep or scrap?

[humble nova]

I've used worse

don't worry, Hadron will jack it up for you anyway

[serene bough]

Its good, but the mobility below 50% may mean you lose a dodge

[bold ibex]

i tried the 15 stack focus talent in a mission just now... and i think the 1 stack gen per .75 talent doesn't work when standing still. It's just a passive generating focus per .75 seconds which also slows down focus loss when moving.

maybe it's just the placebo but that's what it feels like

[glass blade]

I've just avoided the focus capstone because my aim is garbage

[humble nova]

I tried it out after this hotfix, my first match I got an ogryn that made it his job to get in my way every time I ulted

[fleet drift]

Keep

[untold mulch]

I am decent at aiming, but the time to nail headshots is time I could be bodyshotting and just eliminating the problem

Mainly why I want a Gunner "subclass" or line

[fleet drift]

Me using Bolter and Plasma and mostly go for the body shot

[humble nova]

It's entirely possible that giving direct support to automatic weapons would be broken beyond belief in the hands of the vet

[fleet drift]

Vet should have heavy stubber and hellgun

[untold mulch]

AMEN TO THAT BROTHER

[fleet drift]

I heard someone said there will be more weapon in the future?

[untold mulch]

There should

the question is a when

[fleet drift]

I would love to get my hand on some inquisitorial agent only stuff like Xenos weapon

Pulse Rifle or Kroot gun should be very easy for our vet to use

[open hinge]

anyone know how to do the "on overwatch" penance? Tried it for the entire day and seem like i cant get it

[frank island]

Enjoying the mark 4 kantrael las gun

[untold mulch]

Is one of those I did accidentally

you kinda need to get good and have a good team

[bold ibex]

i feel like focus should get a single stack and delay stack loss on oneshot just so it's an option for these

[untold mulch]

you can use infiltrate too

to reduce the seconds you are "vulnerable"

[open hinge]

kinda hard if they just spawn out of nowhere tho

[untold mulch]

Yepp

[open hinge]

any cheese strat? for the sake of my sanity

[kind scarab]

Literally just play on the lowest difficulty allowed and git gud

Take as much toughness regen perks on the tree, and either shout + toughness or Invis and the 90% threat detection perk and spam those on cooldown

As long as you make sure not to get hit in melee at some point, you pretty much don't lose health

Your toughness bar is irrelevant to the achievement

[untold mulch]

also idk #vox-lfg-lexicanum ask in the relevant channel if someoen wants to give you a hand

[zinc osprey]

Play slower than you normally do, and play on Heresy. Don't try to save people and use your block button

[untold mulch]

why heresy?

Mostly sure it can be done in malice

[zinc osprey]

Oh, if that then it's easy

[nimble cypress]

Deathspitter or Firefrenzy for Braced VIII autogun

[open hinge]

many thanks, time to respec then, almost got it done then a bs spawn ruin it

[serene sage]

Just in case, you know you can take toughness damage right?

Overshield from shout will let you tank 2 hits

Also stagger is good panic button

Malice Low intensity will be the easiest modifers

[tall torrent]

Does agripinaa mk1 IAG need onslaught?

[ruby hull]

it turns out that helbore bayonet has sickining amounts of boss damage in addition to the ability to horde clear and oneshot specials

go figure

[kind ore]

is it thunderous 4? I have 3 and I cant one shot

[weak willow]

Alrighty I havnt played dark tide since OcT and I do see there has been some changes so anyone got any recommendations for builds/guns

[ruby hull]

full melee helbore bayonet

do it

im doing it and im PERFECTLY FINE

[weak willow]

Is helbore still good?

[ruby hull]

stab stab is good

[weak willow]

M2 or m3?

[ruby hull]

the right side tree buffs the everliving shit out of it

im actually using mk1

[weak willow]

Interesting

[ruby hull]

the stab stab is the same on mk1 as mk2 so it funtions the same, i just prefer having higher damage uncharged shots for when i do shoot

[weak willow]

Hmmmm

And did you do like all the right side skill tree down?

[elder vessel]

Which MK is the High Damage low Fire rate mark?

[weak willow]

M3 I think?

[elder vessel]

That's the one I'd want

[weak willow]

Whelp time to play damnation and see how it goes

Idk what skills I grabbed but hey let’s see how it goes

And I got curb stomped lol

[brisk umbra]

hellbore? the 3

[deep fable]

geez just walk into a herd of maulers with your power cycler 4 power sword, spam charged lights and watch the killfeed

how is this not the strongest class

[mental parcel]

And 1 mauler smack on your heads ends your career

[slow spade]

You can do the funny even faster with push attacks to their head

[trim steppe]

Plasma absolutely wrecks man, I love it

[slow spade]

Voice of command time

[serene sage]

What difficulty?

[slow spade]

Plasma needs a buff

Pls give plasma assail tracking kk thx

[deep fable]

if he somehow gets the chance

[deep fable]

damnation lmao

[serene sage]

I don't think you can 3xlight maulers without being mauled first?

[deep fable]

?

[weak willow]

Oh so are plasma builds finally viable now?

[deep fable]

each staggers

[mental parcel]

That one sniper hiding behind a box, career ending

[trim steppe]

very

[weak willow]

https://tenor.com/view/simon-cowell-look-stare-red-eyes-laser-gif-12692635

[serene sage]

What?

[deep fable]

yeah

[slow spade]

Surprise, but voice of command again UwU

With enough base toughness, you can still facetank snipers

[deep fable]

ive never seen them get the chance

[swift ingot]

@gusty bison that melee vet setup you gave me goes absolutely nuts with chainsword

[slow spade]

Granted I have 230 but eh

[serene sage]

Are you sure they are not softened before hand?

My experience with maulers and ragers are very different from yours

[mental parcel]

Sniper that is hiding far away tho

[trim steppe]

Plasma/Power Sword, destroy everything

[serene sage]

They can't be staggered mid combo unless shout

And they don't die in 3 hits of charged swings

[nimble sentinel]

its go time, we ballin

[weak willow]

Chain sword no more uwu?

[slow spade]

Sorry comrade, I can just do this

[mental parcel]

I had a sniper hit me from across the map and then he ran off

[slow spade]

Literally that eqsy

[trim steppe]

Chainsword is great, I just wanted more horde clear

[weak willow]

Honestly fair

What perks/blessings for sword/plasma

[mental parcel]

You didnt dodge the shot, badd

[swift ingot]

I rock chainsword out of commitment to my Commissar larp

[slow spade]

Plas wants power cycler and brutal momentum

Psword want blaze away and gets hot

[deep fable]

possible allies are with me and could be providing stagger

[slow spade]

Yeah I did, literally didn't take damage

[serene sage]

If every game can only spawn one type of enemy, which would be hardest?

[untold mulch]

[serene sage]

I'm thinking with sniper or ragers?

[slow spade]

Perks are a bit fuzy for me I think both want flak + maniac but not certain

[wanton dawn]

Bomber

[swift ingot]

Chainsword has pretty good horde clear

[untold mulch]

the average pug will melt at all sniper

[slow spade]

Bombers

[mental parcel]

I saw you get hit plus that invulnerability on the creature spawner mod

[serene sage]

True

[untold mulch]

MERCY

[serene sage]

Kek

[vivid birch]

now imagine if you had a target +shout support

[slow spade]

? Na didn't get hurt snipers apparently do damage

Idk didn't hurt me though

[trim steppe]

pretty good but not power sword good. I found the weakest part of my build was when a horde collapsed on me and i got stuck in a corner. Power Sword gets you out better than chainsword

[swift ingot]

Been testing out this setup with my chainsword and revolver, goes absolutely nuts

[slow spade]

Genuinely impressed that's only 30 points

[mental parcel]

No it would be crushers or ragers but bombers would be such a pain

[slow spade]

Bomber for that 1 hour mission UwU

[serene sage]

Everytime someone posts a right side build, the word revolver is not far away.

[swift ingot]

I don’t have PC 4 so power sword doesn’t feel as good, so until then I’ll stick with chainsword

[slow spade]

Game is going to spawn a bomber horde and its just going to be CBT

[serene sage]

Truly build diversity

FS you did it

[trim steppe]

I still prefer gloryhunter to blaze away on plasma, but thats personal preference

[mental parcel]

If you using a machine gun with average 100 dmg would take them out soo quickly

[wanton dawn]

Bomber might be easier to solo

[swift ingot]

I might try this setup out with my Bolter for shits and giggles

[untold mulch]

peak design

[slow spade]

Blaze away is a potential 40% damage increase on a gun that does 600 damage per shot. Its not a bad idea at least

[trim steppe]

Yeah I wouldnt use PS without PC

[mental parcel]

Crushers when there alot of them like 15 or 20 in q small area that shit is aids

[trim steppe]

It doesnt really help me meet breakpoints, it just gives me overkill damage. I prefer the defensive sustain

Again just imo

[serene sage]

You can. I did. Didn't enjoy it much

Revolver too good

[slow spade]

Disagreed with me, brb sending the Ordo Sinister after you

[wanton dawn]

Crusher spam is mostly an area dps check

[swift ingot]

I really hope we get a bolt pistol soon so we can have an alternative to the revolver

[slow spade]

Or a stagger check if you're a psyker UwU

[umbral scaffold]

Burn the witch.

[slow spade]

L-l-lewd~!

[trim steppe]

Most beloved

[umbral scaffold]

~

[serene sage]

she turned me into a newt

[umbral scaffold]

a l-l-ewt~

[serene sage]

lol

[wanton dawn]

In any case, vet has all the tool to trivialize melee elite spam

[serene sage]

yes

if you saw them coming

the ninjas ragers are still really annoying

[wanton dawn]

Even if you dont

You have shout

[serene sage]

CD exists

[trim steppe]

With ET fixed, vet is in a good spot as a class. The tree is still 6 miles too long but oh well

[serene sage]

I don't even use ET

[vivid birch]

Plasma Pistol when

[serene sage]

can't hit headshots

(I can, I don't want to)

[wanton dawn]

Frags also works but fuse

[trim steppe]

It just gives more options for adding defense to builds, which is very good for diversity and class health

[swift ingot]

Still trying for Dum Dum 4 for my beloved Laspistol, I’ll get it some day it’s only been like 4 or 5months of trying

[serene sage]

how about they remove 3 dead nodes from the middle tree

[trim steppe]

We can dream

[serene sage]

or at least make them more self oriented

like sure, keep them, but at least let it help you instead of your dumbass teammates

[trim steppe]

Relentless being its own node is a war crime

[vivid birch]

which ones?

[serene sage]

Suppresion (who cares)
Born Leader (doesn't help you, doesn't help teammates)
10% Team Toughness Replen (LOL)

[slow spade]

Yeah I tried to use ET with plasma but I realized I basically never get 3 headshot stacks with it lol

[serene sage]

Plasma has really wonky headshot hitbox

[swift ingot]

This is the setup I’ve been running with my Laspistol as of late, it’s a shit ton of fun

[slow spade]

Yeah its weird, I can nail headshots until they're 40m out

Then I never hit headshots after 40m lol

[trim steppe]

I thought the opposite, then I agreed with this, now I'm back to feeling the opposite again

[humble nova]

How do you not run out of ammo

[slow spade]

Its weird with plasma

I switched back to +30% weakspot hit because it buffs my psword

[vivid birch]

i mean.. that suppression can f all the way off, but I do find it fun(ny) to be basically a walking toughness generator

[slow spade]

Born leader does nothing sadly

[swift ingot]

Not mag dumping as much, I’m still a little short on ammo at times but that’s what ammo vets are for

[slow spade]

You're better off with Target

[trim steppe]

I got it JUST so I can 1-shot dreg gunners with lefts

[vivid birch]

it's broken?

[serene sage]

yep

it replenish base toughness

[trim steppe]

it doesnt give toughness when youre full = useless

[serene sage]

instead of toughness

[vivid birch]

oh..

lmao

[serene sage]

also doesn't give anything when full

[slow spade]

In the worst way possible, basically think of the WORST way to implemetn Born Leader

[serene sage]

and you have to take it

[slow spade]

And that's what they did

[vivid birch]

well then.. that sucks

[trim steppe]

Another war crime

[slow spade]

Blaze away got me 1shotting on body 💪

[serene sage]

team replenish also only affects coherency toughness regen

so extra shit

[vivid birch]

I thought it would give bunch of toughness to your squadmates

[slow spade]

If it did, it would be amazing

[serene sage]

I guess you can characterize 2 whole toughness as a bunch, technically

[vivid birch]

from the toughness you generate on yourself

[slow spade]

It does not...

[trim steppe]

At max stacks... (i assume)

[swift ingot]

Also I have a setup that trades close order and confirmed for shock trooper

[forest scaffold]

lemme know how it goes

[slow spade]

Na needs like 2-3, maybe less if pingged

[trim steppe]

If it gave out any toughness you generate it could be amazing, but who knows if they will change it

[forest scaffold]

Talking about the 15% toughness for teammates thing?

[serene sage]

yeah

[slow spade]

Yeah Born Shit lol

[forest scaffold]

The biggest problem with it is that it doesn't count toughness above 100%

[stark hollow]

whats the point of raking fire

[forest scaffold]

15% of 50% is 7.5%

[vivid birch]

hope they do.. 15% seems a bit insignificant too, but seeing as you can stack alot of it you could potentially pump out alot of it

[forest scaffold]

which is a totally acceptable amount

[slow spade]

Invis vets I guess

[forest scaffold]

but like

[trim steppe]

stealth builds to get behind and obliterate, or suppress and kill them as they run

[forest scaffold]

You're never going to(Or shouldn't be) generating that much "real" toughness

[serene sage]

they nerfed confirmed kills lol

[forest scaffold]

and definitely not often enough for it to matter to teammates

[serene sage]

so that is extra extra crap

[stark hollow]

seems a bit niche

[trim steppe]

ya

[serene sage]

and they put it in the prime real estate spot

[slow spade]

With Ping, you can get a 40% toughness gain which is nice

Note "can"

[serene sage]

once every 8s

[trim steppe]

at least 5%, usually 10-15%, which is decent

PLUS stam which is 🤌

[south garnet]

based, this should be every DH in dam matches

[slow spade]

If they EVER make Born Leader good, I imagine it'll be amazing with Shout

[swift ingot]

Especially if you’re running Deadshot

[south garnet]

make DH scary again

[slow spade]

As shout seems to instantly regen the Vet's toughness

[trim steppe]

"seems to" its in the wording of the talent 😛

[serene sage]

with out for blood you can get 13.5% toughness back on meeleing pinged target which is kinda neat

[slow spade]

Hit by fire? Shout for instant 100% + 50 toughness

[slow spade]

The wording is for zborn leader calc

Of course it gives 100%

But it depends on how born leader looks at it

[humble nova]

Kinda hilarious. The base action of the shout is to replenish the vet's personal toughness and stagger enemies.

[slow spade]

Like 100% toughness or 100% of the toughness lost

[vivid birch]

I had a picture in my head that I could just keep mates' toughness topped off and shout on cd sadge

[trim steppe]

I see what you're sayin now

[humble nova]

But taking shout means you definitely take the aoe toughness node as well, so people think of it as baked-in

[untold mulch]

Aiming at headshots is cringe 🗿

[slow spade]

It was just me not wording it right

Was basically wondering how Shout would be calced if Born Leader was useful

100% of toughness or 100% of toughness lost

[humble nova]

Mmm

[untold mulch]

The real way for a firefight is hipfire while running like a maniac

[serene sage]

has anyone met an entitled teammate who think you have to take revive shout and survivalist as vet?

[humble nova]

I think that node just needs to be rethought altogether

[serene sage]

and yell at you for not doing so?

[untold mulch]

I have yet not

though I always run survivalist

[slow spade]

Survivalist yes, revive no

[trim steppe]

never met someone who wanted revive shout

[humble nova]

lmao

[south garnet]

dont care, still gonna do stealth knife plus plasma or shotgun with speed boost

eat my dust prick

[trim steppe]

I hate myself if I dont take survivalist so I always take it

[humble nova]

Revive shout is wasteful in most circumstances

[serene sage]

okay good me neither

[slow spade]

Call him braindead and ignore anything they say, that's my goto

[serene sage]

I have clueless teammates who asked why shout didn't revive

but not asking me to take it

[humble nova]

Not only is it a noob trap, but it costs you an extra talent point to take it

[serene sage]

that's kinda the defintion of a noob trap

just extra trappy

[swift ingot]

Why would I take survivalist when my teammates can run it instead?

[serene sage]

😄

[marble hare]

Deadshot should cost toughness instead.

[trim steppe]

my precious points. I only have 5 after a keystone, Im not using one to drag your dumbass off the ground

[south garnet]

half the time it doesn't work even with the aura boost because I can't tell what the range on the revive is. So I barely ever take it

[serene sage]

because they die and can't even be useful as an aura bot

[vivid birch]

I've been running +30 rev speed + leave no one behind with just the juiced no rev shout. seems ok. im a newb vet tho

[serene sage]

oh no

[swift ingot]

Meh

[humble nova]

my lad

[final locust]

gamer moment

[trim steppe]

I want more build slots so I can make 2 versions of every build. 1 with survivalist when i'm the only vet, and 1 without to reclaim some points when theres another survivalist vet

[vivid birch]

handrez goes zoom

[humble nova]

If you're ever in a situation where you need revive speed to save a run, that run is already doomed

[vivid birch]

reviving is not a "if" while leveling sadly

[floral lark]

I’ve had some runs that snowballed because I didn’t revive someone fast enough

[trim steppe]

I have found that when I lean too hard into support vet, all I'm doing is dragging out doomed team comps longer before the inevitable wipe. Rather get it over with if we gonna die

[vivid birch]

I like to carry, or atleast feel like I carry, runs that would otherwise fail. Guess I'm sort of a masochist..

[serene sage]

after enough time in Maelstrom I learnt to ignore downed teammates if there's even a tingle of danger

[south garnet]

uhh cool ability I guess, t-thanks FS

[serene sage]

remember folks
good teammates don't go down
bad teammates don't deserve to play

[floral lark]

Yeah, sometimes it's safer to pick them up at a respawn than to risk reviving them

[wanton dawn]

1/ensure your safety 2/help others

[serene sage]

put on your own oxygen mask first before helping others

[humble nova]

Basic first aid

STS

[trim steppe]

This morning another vet and I 2-manned about 10 minutes of a damn-HIST including a monstrosity because the other 2 should have been playing malice. Literally would stay up a max of 30seconds before downing or dying. Finally wiped 15m from a double rescue

[vivid birch]

also. what about that one +10 rending node? sounds like hot garbo to me but idk lol

[south garnet]

it's dogshit

[wanton dawn]

A few days ago i had to fend for myself for 10 minutes before being able to rez my mates. Cuz i kept getting flanked and they were guarded by snipers

[vivid birch]

So the bottom middle is just riddled with hot garbo then

[serene sage]

You failed to revive teammates because you got stunned out of animation
I failed to revive teammates because I stop at 90% and let you die after others have moved on
We are not the same

[ancient wigeon]

does onslaught passive from right tree apply to melee or just range ?

[trim steppe]

what are you smoking?????

[south garnet]

10% rending makes no difference in any direction

[trim steppe]

rending is like the best thing you can have, why would you think its garbo?

[humble nova]

That node was really strong right after the patch, but got smacked with the nerf stick

[nimble sentinel]

I have gained a new appreciation of smoke grenades cause they're all that fkn worked

[serene sage]

depends on the weapons
on melee it's usually up to 10% damage so it's neat

[wanton dawn]

Cuz plasma ps mostly

[south garnet]

you either have rending through blessing or sideways through brittleness/onslaught, or your weapon is just good against armor, or it isn't and 10% rending makes no difference for either

[leaden grove]

the agripina mk1 infantry autogun fucks on vet

[south garnet]

That node can be spend on vastly, VASTLY more effective and efficient nodes

10% rending is absolutely nothing

[trim steppe]

not all of us have 5 points to take onslaught if we dont go right tree

[stark hollow]

is crit bonus or penetration more important on a revolver

[trim steppe]

you be trippin lol

[ancient wigeon]

both

[floral lark]

What do you guys think about covering fire?

[south garnet]

In that case you're not built for it, and adding 10% rending to a weapon that either 1. can't pen armor well at all anyway or 2. already does so well, does nothing in either case

[stark hollow]

been using the right one but just got the left one

[serene sage]

remember how you shouldn't be shooting things your teammates are already attacking/can handle?
that talent tells you to play badly to get rewarded

[south garnet]

Idk what to tell you, it's just not good. The concept is good, the execution is weak as water

[delicate moat]

this MFer bolter vet used ALL 4 CHARGES on the single ammo crate we had

[frank ether]

helbruh attempt number 57548365

I gave up on 80/80/80

[stark hollow]

dont have a surgical 4 blessing saved so i would need to scrap the right one for surgical 4

[serene sage]

nah you tripping, he was just replenish his grenades

[trim steppe]

would you say a node that gives +10% damage is good or bad? How about +20%, good or bad

[serene sage]

[humble nova]

I love point blank, you basically always have the crit buff up since you're slapping poxers constantly

[serene sage]

everything stupid your teammates do has a reason that is somehow doubly more stupid

don't take it at face value

[stark hollow]

but sadly it dosent stack

[trim steppe]

If you have a weapon that does 40% damage to carapace, you take +10% rending that brings you to 50%. 40% -> 50% is +25% damage to carapace

[frank ether]

votekick moment

[south garnet]

10% damage to a shovel without a rending blessing on it already is useless, yes. 10% in almost all cases is useless in terms of making a weapon better against armor it was poor at, and is unnecessary if it's already good at armor pen

[ancient wigeon]

so peole ! does onslaught passive also work with melee right?

[wanton dawn]

Any vet "support" talent that does not benefit you directly is dogshit. Not because they do not benefit you but because they are just absolutely terrible

[frank ether]

thats honestly a votekick offense

[serene sage]

do you think Bolter is good against armored?

[delicate moat]

somehow i did more dmg to trash as gunlugger ogryn even though i wasn't even?shooting trash than the bolter vet

[south garnet]

It's not very efficient, but sure

[neat musk]

People might say that 4/5's are challenging. No. The real challenge in Darktide is being a low level in a 3 and being able to carry the mission to completion when all 3 team members are so incompetent they may require reviving multiple times .. In the lift between areas.

[swift flax]

quick check mg4 sucks right

[nimble sentinel]

left

[trim steppe]

When I leveled my second ogryn, I was a lvl15 with grey weapons literally carrying lvl30s through damnation missions. Im talking like 15+ revives a mission lmao

[south garnet]

I'm going to save everyone a lot of typing here: I'm right and everyone else is wrong

[wanton dawn]

Born leader is terrible and does not benefit you. Covering fire is terrible and does not benefit you.

[stark hollow]

is crucian roulette 4 worth taking if you dont have surgical 4

[nimble sentinel]

MG4 is great

[serene sage]

cool. move on

[swift flax]

how does it compare to the other 2?

[south garnet]

[serene sage]

they both give your teammates the false confidence to move forward and trigger 5 packs of stuff before going down, leaving you to handle the rest

[neat musk]

I believe it, i'm levelling my second zealot rn and i'm carrying people with more "real levels" than all 5 of my chars combined.

[stark hollow]

spammable and still kills well with headshots

[swift flax]

neat

[wanton dawn]

You think my mates even notice those talent ?

[stark hollow]

though cant spam at range cause there is quite a bit of kick

[nimble sentinel]

XII is no longer king, Ia hits all the old breakpoints with faster fire rate, IV is the gun we wish recon was

[serene sage]

no, they just see they are at full toughness and hit F forward

[south garnet]

I don't honestly believe most teammates ever even recognize team buffs, tough replen or aura boosts you give them

[swift flax]

good to know

i barely play vet

[nimble sentinel]

if your mouse clicking finger can handle it, IV is the best

[south garnet]

Aside from Shout

[trim steppe]

wtf is F

[serene sage]

does anyone even know what suppression does?

[stark hollow]

i only have a built MGIV on my zealot but i really enjoy it

[serene sage]

like does it trigger on melee?

or just ranged?

what is the range?

[south garnet]

makes them pop a squat like they're about to drop trow and lay a steamer

and look around like you caught them

[serene sage]

what does increase % do?

[stark hollow]

the stability shouldnt be a problem if you got the vet skills

[serene sage]

like duration?

[swift flax]

or even fall over

[serene sage]

wider radius?

what does higher suppression do wtf

[humble nova]

bruh I'm dying

[south garnet]

Higher suppression effects more quickly/lasts longer

[stark hollow]

kekw

[stark hollow]

what the-

[swift ingot]

Part of me is thinking I should drop the left tree entirely, in favor of longshot, volley adept, demo team etc, what do y’all think? This is for Bolter btw

[serene sage]

But melee doesn't proc it?

[brisk umbra]

always get all 3 target nodes, they are amazing

[south garnet]

not afaik

[brisk umbra]

The toughness one is insane too

you can keep the team full of toughness at all times

[serene sage]

I wouldn't change anything if you want it to be Bolter focus

Skip left side and you're more nade/melee fpcus

[quick burrow]

Could drop shout for exe stance for quick bolter swaps

[tall torrent]

I’ve decided to sacrifice my sanity and make this cursed build
Rashad combat axe
Agripinaa mk1 infantry auto

[serene sage]

Bolter without Deadshot/sup immune means you're not using it to kill gunners

[tall torrent]

This hits every breakpoint I need to care about

[swift ingot]

Not in a million years

[humble nova]

My dude what is that left to right jump

[quick burrow]

Then u might as well run plasma tbh

[brisk umbra]

for rashaad i really do feel like you need the bonus AS

[serene sage]

10% melee and 5% melee bro

[swift ingot]

I don’t have a good plasma

[quick burrow]

I love the bolter thematically i got a good one but dam is it just outclassed 😦

[tall torrent]

Taking both 10% melee and 5% melee mixed with 30% weakpoint allows me to one tap every shooter and dreg bruiser in the head

[tall torrent]

What’s AS

[brisk umbra]

attack speed

[swift ingot]

Bolt pistol when?

[quick burrow]

Once u go plasma you wont b
Go back to bolter 😦

[trim steppe]

Youre not taking the strongest keystone buff, the left node. I'd take that and drop the middle

[tall torrent]

Can’t afford it unfortunately

I would trade atk speed for better breakpoints

[humble nova]

How often are you mixing it up with shooters if you aren't going camo vet?

[tall torrent]

And my Rashad has this really cursed 74% dmg roll

[quick burrow]

Oh bolt pistol would be a dream come true haha

[swift ingot]

I prefer middle

[swift ingot]

Hopefully soon

[tall torrent]

That’s the neat part because 30% weakpoint allows me to one tap every shooter in the head on mk1 IAG

[trim steppe]

toughness and stam regen on kill is SO STRONG especially since you're running deadshot

[south garnet]

gonna start playing only builds that will specifically make teammates angry

[tall torrent]

Without any blessing stacks