veteran-class

[quaint valve]

I mean the stats are fine, but yeah most of that is a reroll. If you got lucky on the 4th blessing you could save it, but its a lot to change

[midnight patrol]

Speaking of Vets using recon las. Came across a few last few runs tonight

[wanton dawn]

I also have a video of psword against the grand slam ogryn football team

[midnight patrol]

Good god are they combat ineffective.

All they do is suck up ammo and leave the revolver and Vraks mk7 users chasing after their headless bodies.

[quaint valve]

i just tried recon las again, still very mid for sure

back to the shelf you go

[candid bridge]

I don’t mind using the 7a recon atm but the 6d is def a bit too much of an ammo chewer still

[midnight patrol]

But ET makes my Vraks even more powerful for sure

Its good enough where I feel a bit more comfortable trying Ex Stance on heresy again. Might try Damnation if I get a squad that'll keep pressure off me.

[strange grove]

good luck on that last bit

I lost the will to play a left-side vet after the surprise poxwalkers caused me to switch to melee after popping exec

[prime vault]

melee veteran feels a lot better than ranged vet rn. I just keep a plasma gun to snipe medium-long range elites

[torn gorge]

left side is def playable on multiple weapons

you just cant clutch as much as the other branches

[strange grove]

It is, but I got sick of the surprise mini horde ruining a good exec stance run

[south garnet]

Honestly surprised there's no tough replen or even DR associated with exec. I get that you're supposed to use it in tandem with CK and ET but ET kind of assumes certain load outs and between all the points you spend getting everything plus subnodes, it's just eh.

[torn gorge]

just complement with frag grenades

to create some space for yourself

[candid bridge]

It needs low profile

[strange grove]

I did the Vraks, so I choose krak for those scary crushers

[torn gorge]

and yes shout is much more forgiving

[bright cliff]

good googly moogly wtf is this

[south garnet]

I thought the whole thing was they were like "we want keystones that aren't weapon specific" but they literally are in all but name lmao.

[slow spade]

We need 75% damage resist Exec stance again UwU

[inner imp]

just got surprise pox bursted 1m around the corner insta spawn

lmao

[strange grove]

lol yea whats what I mean

[slow spade]

I mean to be fair, the ping one is pretty universal

[wanton dawn]

You can easily reach 2 shot on crusher with the right node even without keystone nor crit, not even with carapace +

[south garnet]

Yea that's fair

[bright cliff]

I lost a match the other day because one poxburster spawned next to us and launched the three of us into a group of four poxbursters

[midnight patrol]

I've gotten some very reliable friends in VC to squad up with

[candid bridge]

I’d take ping if we could aoe ping stuff

[midnight patrol]

But need to see if I can find more here

[inner imp]

left side vet is skill issue on my end

but boy does it feel like bullshit sometimes

[karmic musk]

The issue is it sucks with its intended weapons (slow shot weapons) and does very well with fast firing weapons (IAG, Laspistol)

[wanton dawn]

Also I have a lot of video of PS doing obscene stuff during testing

[strange grove]

how do you get that frame with the green buildings on it?

[prime vault]

Is this worth picking up for a pew-pew laser crit build?

[wanton dawn]

500 missions done with special modifier applied

[strange grove]

oh lol

[kind scarab]

Nah, blessings and perks are bad. Even if we assume they buff them in future patches.

[quaint valve]

sorry but both those blessing need replaced, leaves you nothing to change perks

[prime vault]

what do you want on the recon lasgun for blessings? I know you want +5% crit as one of the perks

[kind scarab]

HH + Infernus/DumDum

[prime vault]

ahh, then would this be worth snagging? I know some builds use heavy laspistol instead

[kind scarab]

Only one alright blessing. I suppose you could go with unyielding if you wanted to magdump on bosses.

Not the worst, but certainly not the best Laspistol

[prime vault]

I don't have any great blessings for laspistol in general, worth snagging for tier 4 dumdum?

Just to use later

[raw steppe]

This is good

[candid bridge]

I’d say take till you get something better. Just replace between the eyes with ghost (if you have it), then stamina perk to flak or maniac

[raw steppe]

Worth grabbing

[kind scarab]

For snagging later? Sure. You can also build it for boss damage if you'd like.

[terse idol]

I mean thats debatable, it's still good with semi auto weapons

[kind scarab]

With how the AI director currently is, it's mostly best (For the average player) to use left capstone with fast firing weapons

[prime vault]

I'll snag it, build it up for boss damage then break it down for the blessing when I come across a better laspistol

[terse idol]

[raw steppe]

Lolwot

Just get headshots dude

[kind scarab]

It'll definitely function with slow firing on bottom left capstone, but most idiots can't aim for shit already as is

[terse idol]

Oooh

That's what yall mean

[kind scarab]

Yes

Have you seen the average soloq player?

[sharp epoch]

fast firing weapons do work better because of the weakspot hit gives a second of walking

[kind scarab]

They're fucking brainlettes

[spark arrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZoeuJ5oYnI&t=214s deep diving into 40k lore. this shit is surprisingly good

[terse idol]

I thought IAG was goo because you could mag dump into somethings head to get focus stacks really fast

Not that it's a buffer because people are missing

[sharp epoch]

you only get stacks from kills

[terse idol]

Oh

[kind scarab]

^

[terse idol]

What the

My brain

[kind scarab]

You prevent stack loss with headshots

[raw steppe]

Iag is good because it does a lot of dmg

[sharp epoch]

but it does have a pretty high headshot multiplier

[kind scarab]

you can get free stacks with the Camo subnode though

while holding still and shooting

[sharp epoch]

camo nodes kinda trash

[raw steppe]

But i dont think I would use any of the 3 keystones with iag

[sharp epoch]

you build stacks so fast with iag anyways

[kind scarab]

Camo subnode is singlehandedly what makes bottom left worth having

Cause you effectively always have full stacks if you aint' braindead and know how to aim

[raw steppe]

I would probably just build it crit with or without Deadshot

[sharp epoch]

15 stack one is better imo

[kind scarab]

those 5 extra stacks just make your highs and lows more wild

Nothing in the game needs those 5 stacks for any breakpoints

[raw steppe]

The left node is pretty much only for BPs

[sharp epoch]

gives you more of a buffer to move around with too

[zinc osprey]

Honestly, there's so much shit going on, it can be tough hitting weakspots

lot of people do not have practice managing melee and range like that

[raw steppe]

And most BPs you hit at 5-6 stacks

[pure stream]

[kind scarab]

Yeah, Camo gives you a never-ending buffer, and makes it so you're always topped off even if someone is stealing yer kills

[raw steppe]

15 stacka is giga pointless lol

[quaint valve]

yes yes its been tested

[nimble sentinel]

my overly caffeinated trigger finger begs to differ

[kind scarab]

Not to mention you get to keep your stacks while twiddling your thumbs in elevators and places like that

[pure stream]

I knew it was broken before, but I thought it just didn't work

Not like actively hurt you lmao

[sharp epoch]

devs hate vet simple as

[raw steppe]

Yar malice redditors are fucking delusional

If they think its bad

[inner imp]

exe stance nerfs should be reverted

[kind scarab]

What nerf

[sharp epoch]

the keystone isnt bad but the survivabillity of that build sucks

[inner imp]

they reduced the ranged power + weakspot power

[sharp epoch]

its probably worse vs shooters than shout because no instant toughness

[inner imp]

iirc

[kind scarab]

I haven't noticed

[quaint valve]

this is the main issue, you cant go toe to toe with ranged threats for more than a few seconds

[raw steppe]

Exh takedown gives you a bunch of toughness

[kind scarab]

Cause I use ex stance just as a wallhack to see enemies in crowds and through the fat ogryn asscheeks on my team

[raw steppe]

You can also use 2 points to get toughness on special kill

[slow spade]

You can if you just don't get hit

Imagine being shot, couldn't be me

[quaint valve]

[sharp epoch]

the build still is the worst vs shooters like whats better, instant 200 toughness or 15 toughness for a headshot

[raw steppe]

Being able to hit every one shot breakpoint

On every special/elite in the game

Is pretty competitive

With a toughness refill

[sharp epoch]

isnt that very weapon dependent

[raw steppe]

🙄

[sharp epoch]

like revolver can one tap most specials and elites without exe

same for plasma

[raw steppe]

Lol no

Revolvee and plasma both get a few BPs

Though revolver builds general benefit more from shout

Plasma instantly hits all BPs

Whereas shout plasma needs marksman focus 5 stacks

To hit all BPs

[sharp epoch]

plasma one taps every special but dogs

and muties

[raw steppe]

Otherwise you're out there shooting every gunner twice

[sharp epoch]

dreg gunners is two shot, scab is one

[raw steppe]

Exe lets plasma hit all bodyshot BPs

For specials

[quaint valve]

@raw steppe What build are you taking in for auric?

[raw steppe]

Yes, and exe lets you hit 1shot for both types

[sharp epoch]

if it can headshot bp its fine

[raw steppe]

I have 4 that I'm having fun with

[quaint valve]

for marksman

[fallen geyser]

Why does every ogryn chose to just walk though me at teh exact moment i hit exstance

[river escarp]

sigh

[mellow grove]

thats their purpose in life most of the time

[raw steppe]

Shout plasma with marksman, executioner plasma with no keystone, brauto with tag ketstone and revolver with weapon specialist

Those are the builds ive been enjoying in aurics

[sharp epoch]

theres a widespread ogryn movement to block veterans after they pop ult

[river escarp]

Plasma with Weapon Specialist is pretty neat

[raw steppe]

Wrong

[round canopy]

They hear you shouting and think that's the signal to attack

which puts them in your line of fire

[candid bridge]

That is why I don’t use it anymore lol, too many people just get in the way of my shots and I hate having to fight it so I just play plasma + shout support build

[raw steppe]

Headshot BPs are great on paper, but body BPs are very important in clutch/pressure situations

[sharp epoch]

Weapon specialist is really useless tbh, you get what ranged attack speed and one crit after 10 stacks of melee

[raw steppe]

Because sometimes you'll quickswap to kill something

And you wont have time to confirm the kill

[sharp epoch]

thats easy to headshot

[quaint valve]

think right now you get the crit even with 1 stack, even so i use specialist more to buff my melee than my range

[river escarp]

Thats why the weapon matters. Plasma or Revolver something that does good dmg and has a long reaload time. I just went for it and I did pretty good on a run

[brisk umbra]

Weapon Specialist is really amazing only on two weapons, Revolver and Plasma

[raw steppe]

Yeah i mean maybe you're just a much better player than i am 😂

[quaint valve]

plasma doesnt need the benefits from weapon specialist anyway

[brisk umbra]

nothing really else

[zinc osprey]

It's per stack, up to 10

[raw steppe]

I definitely find body shot BPs applicable

[brisk umbra]

with the revolver you can press QQ super fast and just have free ammo instead of reloading, it's great

[quaint valve]

i use it ok on vraks, like a budget revolver. it works

[zinc osprey]

Turns the COlumnus into a hose

[sharp epoch]

only like flamer and gunners need to be headahotted for bp and they both are stationary while firing so its easy

[river escarp]

And yeah per stack of 33% crit chance which I don't know what it means because you can score a normal hit on 10 stacks

[brisk umbra]

Oh yeah i mean, you can use on anything, i just feel Focus Target to be better overall

[raw steppe]

Yeah but under high pressure situations you're not going to be always hitting heads

[brisk umbra]

As i said, i'm pretty sure it's just multiplicative instead of additive

[sharp epoch]

Yeah it's bugged you only get the crit for the first shot, and weapon attack speed is pretty bad for plasma and revolver

[brisk umbra]

so it's not 5%+330% but 5%x330%

[raw steppe]

Obviously if you're in a low intensity situation its not hard

[quaint valve]

for sure, much more flexible and team supportive. hope focus target stays as is

[sharp epoch]

simple af 😎

[raw steppe]

But histg always has those times when you simply cant hit the head because you need to melee

[zinc osprey]

oh whoops didn't realize this was about Plasma and revolver lmao

[onyx aspen]

But it would turn the recon into a literal beam of death.

[raw steppe]

You just gotta kill the special somehiw

[river escarp]

Even so you are probably going weapon specialist for the melee not for the weapon

[sharp epoch]

Eh that's just what the "best" builds are for it because of the quick swap one taps and the crit

[waxen lark]

If you act like you can flick headshot every elite and special regardless of your positioning and how pushed you're getting by hordes/elites, I just don't believe you lmao

[brisk umbra]

with Revolver?

You can bodyshot most stuff with the crit

[waxen lark]

Relying on headshots for everything is just not a good game plan

[sharp epoch]

15% atk speed is still meh for psword at least, it gets hard capped by the charge mechanic

[brisk umbra]

Revolver bodyshots i think everything if it crits

[raw steppe]

It doesnt lol

[karmic musk]

A lot of people here plan builds and justify balance based on that for some reason

[raw steppe]

There's quite a few elites it only kills if it headshots AND crits

[quaint valve]

thats why you must use dclaw, you dont lose dps from stopping to charge

[raw steppe]

I think one of the gunners

[sharp epoch]

never, powersword for life

how else do I kill a crusher in two hits

[quaint valve]

I was this way, till i learned to parry and 1v5 rager mobs

[sharp epoch]

powersword stun locks them you can do the same thing with spacing

[waxen lark]

Laughable, building what's got the biggest numbers on paper is easy but putting it into practice is what's hard. It's why I laugh at the left keystone, it's good on paper but in what situation are you going to be allowed to just shoot and shoot without ever being forced to pull out your melee weapon and losing all your stacks

[raw steppe]

Yeah man people just think they can headshot everything 😹

[quaint valve]

as long as game lag doesnt screw you over anyway

[raw steppe]

Newsflash they cant

[sharp epoch]

i can im radient on val

[terse idol]

I mean same as exec keystone

Left shooter vet has been weak

At least imo

[brisk umbra]

so, every special dies in one hit (except Charger), and those really are the problematic stuff

[terse idol]

Needs to offer some utility but that's the hard part of having a talent tree dedicated to mid-long range engagements when many engagements are close range

[sharp epoch]

left shooter is like playing an adc on leavue of legends

[brisk umbra]

Like, it's rare that a gunner is fucking you up so much that it needs to instantly oneshot, those are specials

[sharp epoch]

but gunlugger also has the same firepower just 10x the survivabillity

[terse idol]

Hell even some of those left side talents are too hard to use >extra damage when No enemies are within 8m

[waxen lark]

So they crumple apart the second an enemy starts beating their face in?

[terse idol]

It's debatable though

[raw steppe]

Well to be fair people are utilizing the left keystone wrong lol

[raw steppe]

Correct

[sharp epoch]

basically, your gonna go down if you get backscratched by a rager or 2 bruisers

[terse idol]

Any time a heavy gunner goes uncontested or takes a second to setup they trar you up

[brisk umbra]

It was mostly meant about the "ability to oneshot targets", and it does on the stuf you actually need to insta kill

[zinc osprey]

idk if it's the same. Marksman is more ammo efficient at killing rooms full of shooters. He does not have to leave cover the way gunlugger does either

[terse idol]

Honestly left side needs things that aren't focused around having No enemies within 8m they need the opposite so they can hedge their weakness in melee

[raw steppe]

Left keystone I would primarily say is useful for hitting BPs to chainkill ranged threats; so i would primarily use it for hitting BPs on stuff like gunners, shooters etc

[waxen lark]

Outcast Engineer had this problem and it's basically carried over to sharpshooter Vet now, I'd rather have no keystone than the left keystone because it's uptime is abysmal and doesn't make a difference by much even when it is up

[delicate estuary]

this is left side keystone with a bolter on an auric

[zinc osprey]

Has someone made a spreadsheet for the weapon BPs yet?

[sharp epoch]

Ammo efficient probably, but that doesn't matter if there's any vet on the gunluggers team running survivalist. I outdamage my lvl 1000+ vet friend as gunlugger even 😭

[raw steppe]

For for example plasma can hit gunner BP at 5 stacks, i think laspistol can hit a BP at 3-4 stacks on shooters

[raw steppe]

No its weapon dependent unfortunately

[zinc osprey]

oh you 100% will

[raw steppe]

Diff ppl roll diff weapons

Like if u have a 78/76 weapon and i have a 80/80 weapon

[waxen lark]

Probably for the best, trying to spreadsheet stuff is where the game gets lame

[raw steppe]

I'm just bettwe than u

Cuz I'm superior

[sharp epoch]

It's a fun build but makes me feel bad that I get to be 3x tankier and outdamage him

[zinc osprey]

I don't think that's a problem though. Marksman's job is to kill snipers way more efficiently than gunlugger can. I think they're performing different roles. Ogryn's still a sustained damage powerhouse, veteran does burst damage lmfao

[sharp epoch]

I just usually run bullgryn instead so I feel semibalanced

[sharp epoch]

yeah long range targets is vets forte, but there's not too many. Maybe a max ranged gunner, sniper, or bomber

[zinc osprey]

Which is funny because their weapons don't have ammo representing that. Veteran ammo lasts forever (on normal guns) Ogryns run out real quick

[delicate estuary]

you dont need long range

what

[sharp epoch]

Comparing vet to ogryn, they're better at long range only pretty much

[zinc osprey]

I figure we're playing on different teams. The vet's shooting is huge for clearing out shooters before the team aggros them.

[delicate estuary]

shooting hordes

[sharp epoch]

gunlugger ogryn deals with the mid range specials and elites way more efficiently

[delicate estuary]

if people shot elites and specials more often then they wouldnt have to complaint about not doing damge to said elites and specials

[river escarp]

Rocks

[sharp epoch]

I haven't seen any counterfire vets recently, only shouty ones in auric malestroms

[zinc osprey]

10 shotgunners

[umbral scaffold]

“Ogryns better than vet” s-s-skill issue

[brisk umbra]

exe stance is just not as reliable with randoms compared to shouts

[delicate estuary]

I been perma running exe stance left side keystone

[zinc osprey]

I think marksman is hard to play in pubs

[delicate estuary]

I refuse to run shout vet

shit is fucking boring

[slow spade]

I feel bad playing with exec stance vets

[sharp epoch]

Yeah, but boring gets results

[zinc osprey]

People do not stick together in pubs. So marksman gets left alone and shanked in a corner

[slow spade]

Because I snip specialists as soon as I see them

[brisk umbra]

Or just random ass stuff spawning behind you and chonking 80% of your life

[delicate estuary]

thats fine then I dont need to do much else other than shoot trash gunners and gunner elites

[slow spade]

I need that tac awareness value UwU

[delicate estuary]

then everyone is happy

[strange grove]

It beats eat dirt vet on the left side

[sharp epoch]

the 25% damage for 5 second is really pitiful for an ult

[untold mulch]

Reject keystones

[strange grove]

shout with leave no one behind is fun, with an IAG and shovel

become support

[delicate estuary]

position better

[zinc osprey]

It can last forever

[strange grove]

Game director says "hold my beer"

[delicate estuary]

this was with a bolter on left side vet

so not sure

[south garnet]

Vet's job is to carry bullets for team, apply band aids to their boo boos and look pretty

That's it

[terse idol]

Whaat shout vet isn't boring... when you take the point talents

[strange grove]

bolter makes sense imo to go exec stance

for the sway red.

[terse idol]

Also rock is good but we got Krak grenades

[sharp epoch]

Still, it's like the same damage value from agile engagement 25% damage on kill for 10(?) seconds for other weapon

[raw steppe]

exec stance is still good, shout is just a bit overtuned rn lol

[delicate estuary]

I just got used to the sway

[terse idol]

Although rock getting free regen without a talent

[raw steppe]

they need to rebalance shout and ps6

[delicate estuary]

I could go grab a mk12 screenshot with the same build

[terse idol]

But smoke can't

Wait what the I just realised

[zinc osprey]

Right, and it'll suck dick if it is used like that

[terse idol]

Smoke grenades have a use that isn't well represented and doesn't block sniper Los
But rock is allowed on all levels to one shot mutants

And has free regen

[zinc osprey]

The difference is it can last for 3 minutes without swapping weapons

[terse idol]

Survivalist tax

[sharp epoch]

I find the ult wasted a lot anyways having to clear trash in front with melee, so agile engagement is like having ult for just a talent node and you can grab shout

[delicate estuary]

shout vet is boring. 200 group toughness and you can stagger anyhting you want every 10 seconds

[terse idol]

[delicate estuary]

imagine having any neuron activations

when you press shout

[terse idol]

Well yeah I aint playing vet purely for shout it's great utility and buff

Or well utility

[terse idol]

🥹

[delicate estuary]

shout is a click off cooldown ability and maybe save it for when shit hits the fan

[terse idol]

"V-victory o-o-r death..."

[sharp epoch]

shouts kinda like camo where you got a second to line up a shot against a special

[terse idol]

🥹

😭

[delicate estuary]

the only part that I enjoy about shout are the voicelines

[atomic zephyr]

me spamming shout every 30 seconds without fail

[terse idol]

I still get messed up because the victory. Or death has the same line delivery as Garrosh doing it in WoW

[sharp epoch]

only every 30? gotta kill some specialist

[atomic zephyr]

30 at worst lol

[prime vault]

So, uhh. Does field improvisation give the corruption reduction to teammates when you drop one or something?

[terse idol]

Lok'tar Ogar!

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[sharp epoch]

it doesnt cure over wounds

[delicate estuary]

I think its anyone who drops right ?

[sharp epoch]

so itll fill up to a non fully corrupted wound

[dusk idol]

it’s for your current wound only

[odd pollen]

Oi, veteran lads

what should i change on this shovel

[prime vault]

ok, was in a group with all veterans and noticed I was getting corruption healed even though I don't have the perk

[sharp epoch]

both blessings change

[odd pollen]

to what

[west lantern]

Might be the med kit perk?

[sharp epoch]

decimator and uncanncy strike

[brisk umbra]

yeah, if just one veteran has it, every heal in the game does it

[west lantern]

Thats good to know.

Cheers.

[odd pollen]

i don't have thos'e

huh

[prime vault]

neat

[odd pollen]

cheers, i'll try to look for it

[wanton dawn]

Hey, not so bad for a shop

[hollow ibex]

too bad it's blue already,,,

[tiny summit]

I think the highest modifier rating I've gotten from the shop was like 375

[zinc osprey]

does anyone else take grenade regen on all their veteran builds?

Feels like an auto-include

[tardy vigil]

had to sacrifice it on my rangevet sadly

[zinc osprey]

brutal

What's your build?

[hollow ibex]

if i play vet, it's for the nade regen, too good not to take

[candid bridge]

I take it for every build I have lol

[zinc osprey]

Thought so

[mellow grove]

I take 2 of the grenades regen nodes on kraks so I can dump on bosses and large elite squads

[zinc osprey]

Obviously we're not the whole community, but I wonder if almost every veteran takes the grenade regen?

[tiny summit]

If I'm running smokes I got without it. But that's only 1/5 my loadouts

[tardy vigil]

pretty much means i've got 2 get out of jails or 2 last ditch revives per mission

[karmic musk]

Never go without it myself

[terse idol]

Only if I'm running Krak or smoke

[zinc osprey]

If everyone is taking that shit, does anyone think it would be broken if that was just a built in passive that veteran has?

[candid bridge]

Are you running IAG with this?

[tardy vigil]

ye

[karmic musk]

There's a lot of things for Vet that should be built-in

[untold mulch]

Average PUG hours

Fucking hell

[urban shell]

how many nodes does veteran have again

[untold mulch]

we wiped in the end, because mfs couldn-t stay alive for a second

[untold mulch]

99-100?

around that

I heard, didn't count myself

[plucky linden]

what would you change here? Is it decent?

[tardy vigil]

have to say though, very very pleased now that ET works again, it really does help a fuck ton for range vet, even without iron will

[south garnet]

Roughly 100, other classes have 70-80ish

[jagged thicket]

is fire frenzy or punishing salvo better for autogun?

[torn gorge]

Was trading ranged fire a real issue for vet before though?

[south garnet]

Also highest minimum spend to reach keystones in a straight path

[candid bridge]

Either shred for blood letter or the poxwalkers perk for flak or maniac

[trim steppe]

What do you think of my new Plasma build, now that ET is working again

[umbral scaffold]

This game makes me feel bad feelings towards my teammates when I notice I’m the last one left I have to calm myself and just focus on the clutch

I was a level 10 psyker in a heresy match and watched my entire team die leaving me to solo a beast with a mediocre axe

[plucky linden]

ty

[trim steppe]

I find this to be extremely relatable

[candid bridge]

I’d use the volley adept point for something else

[tardy vigil]

ET is not really needed for a plasma build, same for volley adept

[trim steppe]

That was the last point, I was thinking that, 5% DR or 5% crit

[candid bridge]

Np, but those are my personal choices

[plucky linden]

what about Wrath lvl4?

for even more cleave

[trim steppe]

ET really shores up the nerfed CK and adds some much needed DR. Why wouldnt you want it?

[tardy vigil]

personal preference, but id personally drop ET, Adept, and Precision Weakpoint for agile engagement

[candid bridge]

Competitive urge is good too

[tardy vigil]

because i 1tap gunners on body shot with plasma and its a waste imo for plasma on crushers/maulers unless you get a fat stack

ammo eco wise

[candid bridge]

Or field improve for the corruption and quicker heals

[trim steppe]

I like those ideas

[unreal drum]

lol, did your team fall asleep?

[trim steppe]

How often do you see competitive urge active on aurics?

I havent tracked it

[stark hollow]

man i saw there was an update and i thought they decided to unfuck vet. guess not

[tardy vigil]

i mean, if you know for a fact that you're reliably hitting weakspots nearly all the time, go for it, but i specifically built myself to reliably bodyshot damn near everything so that i can just worry about ping>bodyshot through a horde then get back to melee asap

[trim steppe]

ET works again

[unreal drum]

41 minutes, wtf, ya'll haveing picknicks and shit or what?

[stark hollow]

whats ET again?

[candid bridge]

I was never using it in the past nor am I now (I think, I’d have to check my builds). But during hordes and mixed hordes I’m sure there’a a noticeable difference.

[trim steppe]

exhilarating takedown, DR and toughness regen on ranged weakspot hits

[gray finch]

its hard to advance when everyone is dead

[tardy vigil]

15% toughness and up to 3 stacks of 10% toughness DR for 8 seconds on ranged weakspot kill

[untold mulch]

kills*

I wish it were hits

[trim steppe]

yeah whoops, kills

same difference with plasma

[trim steppe]

I also build for body shot kills so that if I miss a head for a neck it still kills, but I find myself hitting weakspots all the time and also rarely putting the plasma away, usually im just sniping specialists all horde long

chainsword just comes out to swat things out of my bubble

not enough to benefit from agile very much

[tardy vigil]

its opposite for me, i clear the specials/elites very quickly then spend most of my time with psword

probably will end up dropping competitive urge for it regardless

[trim steppe]

wouldnt a revolver suit that playstyle better than plasma? it draws so much faster

[tardy vigil]

not when i need to shoot through a horde

i basically play as the frontliner since 90% of my matches usually fail to have one for some reason

[tall torrent]

Do u use VF

[tardy vigil]

no, shout

[woven fractal]

Hey is anyone else's Rending Strike talent broken?

after last hotfix

[tall torrent]

How do u reach the gunner 1 tap breakpoint

[tardy vigil]

agile engagement + keystone ping

[tall torrent]

This does not 1 tap Dreg gunners?

[wanton dawn]

I had 14s cd on my shout last match

[tardy vigil]

has for me, do you also run the 8stack modifier for the keystone? that 4.5% might be what you're missing from redirect fire

[tall torrent]

Yea, still can’t

[tardy vigil]

whats the charge rate and damage stat on your plasma then

[pine snow]

i love invisible bolters

[tall torrent]

78 dmg
75 SP
74 charge rate
+25% flak
+25% maniac
Blaze away III
Gets hot III

[tardy vigil]

pain

[wanton dawn]

Hold on, how did i manage to get 14s on my VoC

[tardy vigil]

that 74 charge rate is the problem if they haven't fixed the damage curve

[tall torrent]

Oof

What charge rate am I looking for

[tardy vigil]

20% reduced cd on maelstrom?

[tardy vigil]

73 or 80 iirc

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but 20% is not 50%

I have 2 4% on my curios, and psyker 10% aura

Even if additive I don't quite reach the count

[woven fractal]

Tactical Awareness?

[wanton dawn]

Nah, it was 14s base

[woven fractal]

oh lol

[mystic belfry]

Your faith in the emperor fills you with power

[tardy vigil]

any one have that excel sheet of the plasmagun charge affecting damage?

[forest blaze]

It's pinned but someone was saying earlier that it was fixed recently

[wanton dawn]

Except it is not

I posted video earlier

[astral blade]

Holy fuck is exhilarating takedown actually finally working?

[wanton dawn]

Yes, exil is working

[astral blade]

And is it worth using

[mystic belfry]

I doubt it

[wanton dawn]

plasma charge rate is not

[mystic belfry]

Really?

[woven fractal]

Can someone else confirm if rending strikes talent is working for them?

[wanton dawn]

Yes. Check my video history

[mystic belfry]

That’s a lightning fast fix for fatshark

[finite imp]

Fellas be honest, is it gay to use exhilierating takedown now

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

Always has been

[finite imp]

Good

[strange grove]

wtf my numericUI isnt working

[wanton dawn]

Also it is called exhausting takedown now

[mystic belfry]

Run your patcher

[finite imp]

I like that this is a Gigabyte update to fix that

[woven fractal]

update it. mine's working

[tardy vigil]

yeah, i just tested it with my plasma with 79 dmg 80 charge, after agile + 8 stack tag with no redirect fire or shout modifier, 1tap dreg on body shot

[finite imp]

im gonna try and squeeze exhil takedown into my knife build

speaking of knife builds does anyone have it

have any

[strange grove]

oh I have to run the batch file everytime game updates?

[finite imp]

yes

[candid bridge]

Yes

[strange grove]

too much work imo

jk

[finite imp]

open local files run batch and you're good should work just like before

[finite imp]

barring an enormous update

[pine snow]

am i doing something wro ng or isthe boltgun just worse than plasma

[finite imp]

You're not gonna believe this but my knife vet still uses his gun

[wanton dawn]

If exil takedown was not range locked it would be bonker

[finite imp]

my agri BASED auto is my panic fucking you button

[mystic belfry]

#veteran-class message

Bleed knife

[wanton dawn]

brauto ?

[astral blade]

Heh well thank fuck i primarily used my columnus as my main weapon

[finite imp]

ye

[finite imp]

i might actually take columnus out for a spin now too

[finite imp]

thank you man

[wanton dawn]

I would not really recommend agri brauto for exil though

[mystic belfry]

Mhmm

[astral blade]

It’s a good CQB gun

[strange grove]

going to try exil on columnu

s

iag

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i am pretty sure ppl will quickly realize that exil takedown is still not great in practice

[mystic belfry]

Columnus exe stance marksman with deadeye destroys

[finite imp]

it's any weakspot kill? which means you can spray into a horde and heal

[mystic belfry]

Any ranged weak spot kill

[quasi hatch]

So I just had a game where the Game Director had a sadistic moment and well... Suffice to say I'm no longer a virgin

[finite imp]

im finding that hard to sound bad on paper

but ill give it a try

[mystic belfry]

It’s good

Especially with the now nerfed elite kill toughness

[tardy vigil]

if you're planning any left side build, its 100% a must have

[finite imp]

my BZZZZZZZZZZ columnus cannon

btw whats the dump stat fo CIAGs?

[mystic belfry]

Going dead eye with mark also works pretty well

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/a10-gif-25211968

[mystic belfry]

Because you get stamina back with marks

[astral blade]

Ugh now I just gotta wait for the update to happen on mah Xbox app pc

[candid bridge]

Mobility

[finite imp]

cool cool

Voice is still just so damn useful

executor is cool and all

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[finite imp]

you give space, you heal, you heal others instantly

[mystic belfry]

Exe is specializing

Works well with some setups

Voice is broadly good

[astral blade]

Already got my set up ready than I think

[mystic belfry]

Gl

[pine snow]

tagging keystone worth getting or nah? this is what i got rn

[mystic belfry]

It is worth it if you get target down

[candid bridge]

Teammates get in the way too often for me to use exe stance

[finite imp]

do yall use deadshot with CIAG

[mystic belfry]

Which gun is that

[pine snow]

columnus i think?

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[finite imp]

yes

CIAG
AIAG

etc

infantry auto gun

[astral blade]

Basically the infantry auto guns agrip, graia and the columnus

[finite imp]

GIAG

[mystic belfry]

Ideally I will run exe stance and deadeye, and then either mark or marksman

[finite imp]

you mean deadshot?

[mystic belfry]

Ye

Auto correct gets my ass sometimes

[umbral scaffold]

What makes a good colomnus iag build

[mystic belfry]

Damage

[candid bridge]

If you can spec into onslaught for CIAG it’s also good

[tropic imp]

Works for every build

Its the dps all purpose gun

[astral blade]

You dont entirely need onslaught for the columnus

It can get by without it

[candid bridge]

No but it helps with crushers

[mystic belfry]

Just run it with power sword

[umbral scaffold]

I mean by blessings and perks too

[mystic belfry]

Side note, been using power sword more. Feels clunky to start but it smoothes out when you get it down

[trim steppe]

Everyone still recommends running Blaze Away on plasma gun but I'm not sure why. It falls off SUPER fast unless you hold charge, which you really shouldn't do very often. Gloryhunter seems the obvious better choice to me especially since CK is nerfed and vet needs more survivability

[trim steppe]

Power sword is still incredible

[candid bridge]

Left click spam for blaze away is very good

[zinc osprey]

Just played a high intensity auric w/marksman

[trim steppe]

I just don't find myself spamming lefts very much, maybe if a pack of elites falls on me but that's it, and then I'd rather have sustain than slightly more damage

[zinc osprey]

All of marksman's problems are solved when someone else is managing the frontline

[mystic belfry]

I think glory hunter is fine

[raw steppe]

you need 76/76+ weapon and 5 stacks of marksman and also longshot node (for 20% damage bonus)

[brisk umbra]

everything is shit anyway

[raw steppe]

example: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1158835044006232215/1174065106271875162/image.png?ex=65663c56&is=6553c756&hm=541170a4746288ca615b989facf05ab1f599f0e4fc38c4deb619938cf0a39024&=&width=498&height=442

[brisk umbra]

Blaze Away is the least shit bless we have

[candid bridge]

Fair, but left clicks use less ammo than charged shots

[ruby hull]

I found my new wierd thing to obsess over @raw steppe

[mystic belfry]

Done with bayonets already?

[raw steppe]

sup

[brisk umbra]

Coathangers?

[ruby hull]

Been there done that

[trim steppe]

No I'm saying, I use 99% only lefts, but I don't spam them hardly ever. If I take .25 seconds between shots to actually aim blaze away falls off

[mystic belfry]

Aim faster :v

[ruby hull]

helbore bayonet melee build

[raw steppe]

oh no

we lost him

😢

[midnight mortar]

Aiming with left clicks isn't that slow on plasma.

[raw steppe]

you can aim after you click

just shoot, then aim

[mystic belfry]

Bayonet be pretty silly

[bright cliff]

luv me bayonet

[zinc osprey]

aiming with plasma involves aiming near the model, and hitting it with the truck you just launched

[ruby hull]

I already have proof that it works

[mystic belfry]

He does

[strange grove]

just got this, looks salvagable?

[mystic belfry]

Did you try pairing it with power sword yet

[ruby hull]

I need to snag one first

I'm starting from zero with blessings

[raw steppe]

ammo is a bit low, but it's useable

[mystic belfry]

Usable but you want better

[trim steppe]

Y'all really just spam lefts as fast as you can on plasma and don't run into ammo/accuracy issues????

[candid bridge]

Even so it’s still a free 8% dmg on the first shot

[raw steppe]

you really want higher ammo, since I think it scales up to 75? 74?

[bright cliff]

put sprint efficiency on it for the memes and talent into stamina regen for brrrrrrr

[candid bridge]

Yes actually lol

[strange grove]

i don't know if I want to use a brauto enough to try and get better

[mystic belfry]

I feel that. My mk6 is power cycler 3, brutal momentum 1 lmao

[trim steppe]

Does it apply minimal stack damage to every shot?

[strange grove]

I'm saving my resources for when we get 12 new weapons with the 2nd update due in a month

[bright cliff]

ayo?

[strange grove]

lol im on hopium

[raw steppe]

lol so optimistic

we're gonna get 3 weapons

[bright cliff]

ayo…..

[raw steppe]

1 is gonna be shared vet + zealot

[mystic belfry]

3 is about right

[raw steppe]

1 for ogryn

and 1 for psyker

is my prediction

[midnight mortar]

Yes. With its high cleave, it's pretty efficient.

[trim steppe]

You must be way better than me, I can't pull off the 360 no scope left click spam lmao

[tranquil comet]

what's the best veteran gun for flexibility/clear and not just elite killing

[strange grove]

columnus iag

[raw steppe]

probably brauto or iag

[bright cliff]

machine pistol 🙂

[ruby hull]

It's gonna be awhile before I can get what I want but the power sword 6 was a good suggestion so thanks for that, carapace damage is the only lacking thing and I don't want to rely on krak grenades since I don't have the points to invest in them

[mystic belfry]

Play killing floor 2 to practice hip fire spam :)

[strange grove]

if they just took note of underperforming weapons and made them better it would be like getting a whole new weapon

[mystic belfry]

Enhanced block too :)

[ruby hull]

That too

[tranquil comet]

this one right

[strange grove]

yes

[bright cliff]

my boy

[trim steppe]

Do you even have time to ping for focus target between shots? Jesus I feel like a scrub talking to y'all lol

[tranquil comet]

ok just making sure lol the gun names are a mess

[raw steppe]

I recommend you test out all 3 IAGs

[bright cliff]

columnus infantry autogun my beloved

[midnight mortar]

Yeah pswords only become great anti-carapace options with at least power cycler 3.

[ruby hull]

The blessing grind from near zero is so painful

[raw steppe]

columnus, graia and agri are all a bit different

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[raw steppe]

you might end up liking one more

[candid bridge]

I use it for shotgunner hordes, ragers, and gunners

[strange grove]

this one can be fun

[astral blade]

Welp didn’t think that would work lol

[tranquil comet]

what kind of roll do i look for

[midnight mortar]

I will say I'm very used to rapid pinging while ADSing with the MG XII so that may be a part of it.

[strange grove]

death spitter and frenzy I believe

[astral blade]

Finally got my update to happen on the Xbox pc app

Had to turn off real time protection

[mystic belfry]

Press two buttons at the same time to start the charge and also ping

[astral blade]

Temporarily

[tranquil comet]

statwise will this do for now i just pulled 3 from the armory

[mystic belfry]

I use a mouse button for tag, but alt works too

[ruby hull]

Dum dum and frenzy

[bright cliff]

so used to the ogryn channel where everything is in pins ;_; ask someone else I play suboptimally

[raw steppe]

columnus iag is the highest DPS; but is a little bit terrible trying to kill long-range gunners/reapers; the other 2 have slightly lower DPS, but trade it in for other qualities

[astral blade]

That’s pretty good

[strange grove]

im not dum

[ruby hull]

Lol

[bright cliff]

what blessings for columnus?

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[candid bridge]

Also helps with bulkwork stagger, and crushers. Left click spam has its uses and if you’re running specialist you should be fine ammo wise. I usually pick up tins thru out the mission and big ammo packs if I’ve been too Willy nilly with it

[strange grove]

I opted for deathspitter for the stagger

[trim steppe]

That doesn't work if you're left clicking before aiming as has been brought up

[ruby hull]

Dumdum and fire frenzy

[astral blade]

Dumdum and frenzy

[ruby hull]

Jinx

You owe me a soda

[mystic belfry]

You just roll your fingers fam

[bright cliff]

@tranquil comet there you go

[mystic belfry]

It comes a fraction of a second first

[astral blade]

But if yee a stealth vet like myself it be dumdum and rakking fire

[candid bridge]

Raking fire is nice

[trim steppe]

I don't spam into bulwarks, I tap once to stagger, wait about 3/4 of a second so his head comes back up slightly then finish him on the second shot. 2-shot every time ez. But it drops blaze away every time too

[astral blade]

It’s a full 180 behind the enemy

[trim steppe]

2-shot with uncharged shots*

[mystic belfry]

Tap once to open shield then kill with melee, or just shoot again

[raw steppe]

dumdum + 2 perks is highest priority 3; last blessing is lowest priority

you get the most out of the other rolls

[astral blade]

Imma be real I’m surprised that FS hasn’t screwed with dumdum yet

[raw steppe]

i mean it's still gonna be good after they nerf it lol

they just forgot to change it from 15 to 8

like they did with all the other stuff

[candid bridge]

Crazy it’s on hit and not kill lol

[strange grove]

going to try this on a marksmen vet, time to die over and over

[astral blade]

Thank fuck for that

[mystic belfry]

Should be fine

[astral blade]

Seriously if they do fuck with dumdum allot of the community I’m willing to bet won’t be happy

[raw steppe]

yeah remember the community outrage over the PS "nerfs"

"POWER SWORD IS DEAD'

[torn tulip]

vet question, how to deal with bullwarks and carapace? i dont like plasma gun so i use frak nades with damage but i dont always have them, if they spawn on me or ambush, i have high chance to go down mostly, not sure if i should depend on team or carry more fraks.

[raw steppe]

you either play their mechanics or bring a weapon that cheeses them

[prime vault]

krak grenades you mean, right?

[candid bridge]

Mk6 power sword push attack

[torn tulip]

yea krak

[raw steppe]

you can dodge or block their swing and then kill them

[spark arrow]

power swords EAT armors

[raw steppe]

or you can throw grenade / use bolter/plasma or whatever

for bulwarks

[quaint valve]

dclaw parry

[raw steppe]

crushers you actually do need a weapon that can deal with them

[candid bridge]

[quaint valve]

bulwarks are easy to side step dodge and hit them with whatever

[strange grove]

get a rashad combat axe

spam heavies

[spark arrow]

you can also use bolter or revolver. also also, onslaught(talent) plus a lasgun with infernus CAN do the job

[quaint valve]

revolvers can drop them pretty quick, but your clip size means your not taking many down at a time

[candid bridge]

IAG too

[rose verge]

Infernus MK IV Lasgun on my Zealot and it doth indeed melt crushers

[rough sand]

Chainaxe rev with Bloodletter and Thrust, dodge their swing and start carving

[spark arrow]

and headhunters lol

if you build for rending honestly they're not a big problem on vet

[fossil hound]

yyyoooooooooooooo when are we getting more skill points

[spark arrow]

when emps wakes up

[raw steppe]

iirc dclaw parry needs perfect timing to block overhead + it has a pretty bad ADM against carapace

not sure that's the play lololol

[torn tulip]

so i got answers to use power sword, dclaw sword, rashad combat axe

[fossil hound]

why is it even an option to spend a skill point for sprint cost by 20%

[quaint valve]

i use it with serrated edge and can take them down. Not the fastest no, but its doable.

[gaunt hinge]

crit the fuck outta them

[raw steppe]

because 20% sprint cost reduction is quite good LOL

[spark arrow]

i dont like dclaw. i feel indestructible for like 80% of the match then i mess up once and realize why i never run that wep

[fossil hound]

it's not

lmao

should be a node

[raw steppe]

lololol

[quaint valve]

its not for everyone

[torn tulip]

bruh what build is this, i want this

[raw steppe]

sprint cost reduction, stamina regen, +flat stamina are very very good

[strange grove]

wtf is that ogyrn cosmetic, wearing dead rats on a necklace

[sturdy crow]

This worked really well with plasma gun, very stable build

[gaunt hinge]

i like the one without it, very drippy

[raw steppe]

being able to reposition your ass when you need to and to have stamina is very important on a vet 😛

not sure I would sac a skill point on it with its position on the tree

but it is quite good

[torn tulip]

i dont like plasma gun and slow fire rate, i want what @gaunt hinge posted, hope its on damnation

[fossil hound]

slide

that doesn't even cost stam

[raw steppe]

I don't really recommend tag tree for plasma

plasma benefits a lot from a few of the nodes from the left side

[fossil hound]

unless you're using deadshot like maybe but like

[raw steppe]

esp 30% weakspot and 25% ammo

and especially with shout

you're gonna be using twice as much ammo on gunners if you're not hitting the 1-shot breakpoint

[torn tulip]

@gaunt hinge can you dm me your full build or post here?

[sharp epoch]

tag tree is best for plasma

[gaunt hinge]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ETMj28Kqn3JMp/d1337QZtFFKf?invite=cr-MSx2VWwsNjY5MDkzMzMs

[raw steppe]

then build your vet however you enjoy it champ

[torn tulip]

ty

[tranquil comet]

so is this one worth upgrading

[sinful cave]

wait there are vets who dont run confirmed kill?

[tranquil comet]

i should at least see if it can run dumdum + frenzy right

[sinful cave]

[hard lichen]

So which veteran active ability is the least shit right now? I see lots of infiltrate vets

[sharp epoch]

theres no benefit to running vf for plasma

[raw steppe]

what the fuck are you talking about mate

[gaunt hinge]

if i wanna put bullets in my gun and put them in fast

i cant take confirmed kill

[devout atlas]

GYATTTTTTTTT

[tranquil comet]

is this iag worth investing and if so what replacements should i make

[sharp epoch]

it only changes bodyshot breakpoints and mayve headshot for dreg gunners thata it

[raw steppe]

change both perks and you're done.

[tranquil comet]

are its stats good enough?

[sinful cave]

stacking reload speed on a columnus is weird 2 me its already decently fast no?

[raw steppe]

yeah it's fine

[candid bridge]

Yes

[tranquil comet]

because i just rolled this one and idk if it's better/big enough diff

[candid bridge]

It’s going to come down to the other blessing and perk you get

[gaunt hinge]

like yeah i guess, but if i have to kill 3 gunners and 5 ragers and 8 shooters i dont have time for decently fast

[raw steppe]

yes. I'm of the opinion that hitting more breakpoints against specials/elites in darktide is good.

feel free to disagree with me

i dont' think it's an amazingly hot take LOL

[quaint valve]

Just noticed this bug lets you see the stats the bots carry?

[hollow turtle]

HOLY WHAT

[bright cliff]

the other one is good because you have dumdum. roll dumdum on this and you’re golden. I say upgrade them both anyway just to see what you get.

[gaunt hinge]

damn botty got the god roll sword

[quaint valve]

vet with a heavy sword

[sharp epoch]

one breakpoint vs the utility of full toughness and a stagger lool

[bright cliff]

the 500 lvl sword…

[raw steppe]

either one is fine they're both good enough. just remember that the perks are more important than the 2nd blessing

[quaint valve]

intersting too it has a specific name, perditum sanctus

[bright cliff]

which perks?

[raw steppe]

depends on your tree

are you running deadshot

[bright cliff]

no

[raw steppe]

if you're doing deadshot I would recommend flak/maniac

otherwise you may get more out of crit/maniac

due to how good the crit string on colum is

[bright cliff]

as in crit chance, not dmg right?

[candid bridge]

If you’re really wacky can take carapace with onslaught talent and shred crushers

[trim steppe]

How are you getting bots in the pre-mission screen at all?

[quaint valve]

since update, most matches show the first slot as a bot for me

[gaunt hinge]

i need to get me a crit chance flak dumdum columny

[quaint valve]

3rd time ive seen it, this time i took a look at the weapons

[gaunt hinge]

[raw steppe]

yes. make sure you also take this node right under Close and Kill aura( but don't take close and kill aura)

that node is mandatory

[candid bridge]

May hadron bless you

[raw steppe]

the build will do a lot less damage

if you do not take it

[gaunt hinge]

well i can swap both perks to crit and flak

[raw steppe]

useable but I'd recommend trying to get 80 ammo roll in the future if you can

the clip size scales like mad

[white minnow]

Columnus ammo scaling is very minimal

[raw steppe]

o

[white minnow]

50-60 and 500-600

[raw steppe]

it was the columnus brauto

that scaled from like 50-75

[gaunt hinge]

not really

[raw steppe]

yeah nvm ammo is fine then

[bright cliff]

whats it do I’m not at my pc

[coarse tide]

exil takedown any good now ?

[clever patio]

still bugged as far as i know

[quaint valve]

fixed

this patch fixed it

[raw steppe]

iags are just weird i guess lmao; this is colum brauto

[candid bridge]

No, fixed with the hot patch

[clever patio]

so vet is even easier to play 😛

[quaint valve]

talent tax still sucks

but that talent now works

[candid bridge]

Don’t you mean the talent above it (agile engagement)?

[raw steppe]

nope i mean the small node

[white minnow]

I think the grain and agri have wider ammo scaling

[nimble sentinel]

I love pugs

[white minnow]

the Columnus IAG is weird in this aspect

[raw steppe]

needs nerf

[slow spade]

Needs buff

Remove ammo mechanic

Done

[bright cliff]

nerf everything because its grimdark and the heretics canonically end up winning

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

I am pleased to report this fkn worked, even better that I can take longshot

[strange schooner]

What's the best melee for horde clear? Trying to find one I can work with

[slow spade]

Sorry nerd, the Emperor is resurrected next chapter 💅💅💅

[hollow turtle]

Lol you don't need to block their name. It's not their account name. Just their character's.

[quaint valve]

chainsword, ps are great all rounders

[ebon umbra]

"tell your gf she's dating a lvl 400 vet"

[bright cliff]

I sure hope so because iirc we’ve got 200 years until the yellow chair gives out and all warp travel ceases

[candid bridge]

Power sword, chainsword, and devils claw

[strange grove]

i prefer shovel and it can smack around maulers and ragers

as*

[strange schooner]

Oh not tried the Devil's claw I should

[bright cliff]

shovel gang

[dusk jacinth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1EMv63om8e9n0q/d133741QlE8T?invite=cr-MSxiek0sMjAzNDU3ODczLA

shovel can do this

[strange grove]

but I have this too

[strange grove]

lol that poxbusrster at the end

[quaint valve]

mk4 is the popular one, mk7 is the same just different combo order

[bright cliff]

true fact! shovel heavies can knock around poxbursters

[dusk jacinth]

punt da fucker

[analog dagger]

im mad, a year into the game and i still never got power cycler..

[strange schooner]

I didn't even know there was two Devil Claw's

[candid bridge]

There’s 3 of them and they all have different attack patterns, so you’ll have to find which one you like best

[quaint valve]

theres 3, also mk1 which is ok but not as popular, mostly just sweeping attacks

[slow spade]

The Emperor forgot his full restore suppository

[hollow turtle]

😅 I'm waiting for Uncanny Strike IV on a knife too.

At this rate, I might just bulk purchase a couple of knives. I got a little excess plasteel and diamantine.

[bright cliff]

he didnt forget it he just lost use of his ass during the horus heresy

like in north korea, glorious leader does not poop

[slow spade]

The Emperor will twerk once more to return to his former glory

[dusk jacinth]

did they add the new bundle

[raw steppe]

how many power swords do you upgrade a week

[dusk jacinth]

my mods stopped working

[slow spade]

New hotfix

[analog dagger]

im poor as hell, been trying to find a good setup. But everything i do feels good in meat grinder, but ingame it feels trash

[candid bridge]

Gotta rerun your batch for the hotfix

[raw steppe]

maybe skissue

[slow spade]

How many heretics do you kill a week?

[analog dagger]

none anymore, i pretty much stopped playing. I RQ

[dusk jacinth]

new bundle?

or still no pc bundle

[raw steppe]

well if you don't play the game it's gonna be hard to get power cycler

[sturdy crow]

wat

[tranquil comet]

what perks do i want to reroll into on this?

[candid bridge]

End of the month is what they said

[slow spade]

I have no context and I already know that's bad advice

[slow spade]

Dum dum is good, everything else is bad

[slow spade]

I would extract Dumdum and pray for better

[dusk jacinth]

it sure does take a month to add a pc bundle of cosmetics

[bright cliff]

@tranquil comet these perks. get dumdum, then perks, then last blessing.

[candid bridge]

Well they gave people till the 17th to login for it then they’ll give it to us (prolly when part 2 releases)

[midnight mortar]

It took them months to add a minus sign to Exhilarating Takedown.

[slow spade]

I wish Coulumbus had good weakspot damage

[raw steppe]

it does

[umbral scaffold]

can anyone spare some plasteel for a veteran down on his luck

[slow spade]

So I could take the +30% without feeling bad

[raw steppe]

it has a 2x weakspot multi

[dusk jacinth]

why not just permanently give it to all pc players

[tranquil comet]

generally i want 80/80 on dmg/stopping power then decent stats elsewhere on the columnus right
no dump stat?

[slow spade]

76 -> 152 isn't cutting it chief

[dusk jacinth]

that bundle sure isnt worth 14000 aquilas or however many xbox got

[candid bridge]

They are, just gotta wait

[midnight mortar]

Gotta generate FOMO.

Limited time only.

[dusk jacinth]

not really permanent if you only give people a limited time to get it

[midnight mortar]

Gotta push those Winter quarter player numbers for the annual investor report.

[umbral scaffold]

is the bundle even available yet?

[dusk jacinth]

all of its parts are in the files

and rendered

with decriptions

*Descriptions

and wearable

[midnight mortar]

It's not a coincidence that many game companies push major updates/releases in Winter.

[umbral scaffold]

ahh was just wondering if they'd dropped it in an update that i missed or there was some code i had to put in somewhere

[gaunt hinge]

yummy christmas gifts ☺️

[nimble sentinel]

fellas I've been thinking since we got ET back...I might be smoking krak, or I might be onto something

[dusk jacinth]

the real chrismas gift would be giving pc players 14000 aquilas

but das enuf complaining

[raw steppe]

this is a cool idea, but generally you'd wanna try using a weapon with better headshot multiplier with marksman keystone

[slow spade]

Marksmen keystone -> gun with poor ability to hit weakspots 🤔

[raw steppe]

weapons like brauto or autopistol have very small headshot multipliers, and benefit less from the keystone since they are more bodyshot weapons

if you're like me and can't aim, columnus BRAUTO + tag build (down the middle) is a great setup to try

[slow spade]

Laspistol my beloved

[nimble sentinel]

I'm in it for the toughness and rending, and I am planning on being so close to the baddies I can kiss em so shooting them in the head should be a no brainer

I might bring brauto rambo back

[raw steppe]

you do you champ

[slow spade]

Then why not Ping Keystone?

[nimble sentinel]

cause I am going to be shooting SO MANY HEADS it makes more sense

also I need Fully Loaded

[slow spade]

Such is life

I love point taxes

I'm also like 2 points away from Always Prepared

[candid bridge]

You get 10% rending just going down the middle tree tho

[nimble sentinel]

fair nuff

[slow spade]

Yeah that 10% rending on the keystone should be higher

[nimble sentinel]

yeh doesn't quite work unfortuantely, but the way I see it I still get that rending regardless

[slow spade]

Conditional that needs headshots on ranged or the exact same buff but passively lmao

[slow spade]

Damn what a shame

I mean you could drop the 2 points on right and rely on psword for carapace

But still 😔

[astral blade]

well how did i fragging do?

[nimble sentinel]

taking frags spares me a point

[astral blade]

give it to me straight how did i do

[candid bridge]

Are you using an additional plugin to the scoreboard to see all that?

[astral blade]

yes

[nimble sentinel]

aight this is what I got, time to take it out

[astral blade]

so how did i fragging do?

[lilac vigil]

wat do?

[astral blade]

dis ^

[slow spade]

Without seeing any gameplay, 617 damage taken is 👀

While your kills are roughly on par with the other Vet

[river escarp]

Is the 80% max a mod ?

[slow spade]

Seems like you need to get better at avoiding chip damage or getting demolished by something big

I would suggest Devil claw for better defensive stats

[lilac vigil]

yea. its the max you can roll i think

[slow spade]

Or psword to simply overcome it through raw damage

[astral blade]

that chip damage was mostly my dumbass getting hit from behind

[serene sage]

[candid bridge]

You gotta ultra instinct that bro

[slow spade]

Keep in mind blocking is 360 so you can block attacks from the back

[midnight mortar]

Yeah that shouldn't be happening.

[serene sage]

you need to run Auric T5
otherwise your opinion will be discarded
the council of Veteran will not hear your case

[slow spade]

It will increase stamina use though

[midnight mortar]

You gotta work on positioning.

[serene sage]

if you take damage, you're automatically bad and should play on Malic until you improve

[slow spade]

Get Onslaught blessing, keep surgical

[jaunty sphinx]

hadron if the next plasteel I give you doesnt give this chainsword rampage I swear to god I will scrap you for parts

[slow spade]

Joking aside, 600 damage taken is very high on Vet

[raw steppe]

Take this one for a spin and see how it feels -

[slow spade]

Even for Aurics

[astral blade]

eh it was my first game on

[slow spade]

Still though, that's my opinion

[sweet mango]

I use this one. Shout is best

[slow spade]

Obligatory use Shout, switch melee weapon, position better

The standard fare

[astral blade]

bear in mind also i am using a controller on pc

[junior needle]

Willingly using terrifying barrage

Definitely some krak in there

[nimble sentinel]

the rationale is that I get to worry a lot less about the melee buggers in my surroundings cause they're too busy pissing themselves

[serene sage]

oh fuck he's the chosen one

[junior needle]

Most melee units are outright immune to suppression, it only affects groaners iirc and only very slightly. Hence why it's big shit.

[slow spade]

Adding context after the fact doesn't change 600 damage taken is 👀

For average performance (comparatively to the other Vet)

[nimble sentinel]

though update: it was krak

going back to the las

[serene sage]

very close to my build

[astral blade]

i mean i barely pulled out my melee weapon as well lol

[serene sage]

nvm he's not the chosen one

[nimble sentinel]

that's just everybody's plasma build isn't it?

[serene sage]

no I use bolter

[slow spade]

Oh it was skill issue then

Well you know what to improve then

[flint lake]

Consider taking something other than survivalists. It is the BIS but it’s also very likely you’ll find a group with another vet already running it. No purpose in paying an unnecessary tax for a redundant aura.

[stray storm]

I mean I use killshot for my build

[astral blade]

was testing et

[serene sage]

honestly i don't want to look at my match history for the weekend 💀

it looks so red

[nimble sentinel]

same difference, taking a rocket launcher (or equivalent) to forego worrying about building for the gun

[raw steppe]

not worth the risk of not queueing into another vet lol, i'm lazy

[astral blade]

wanted to see how good et was

[nimble sentinel]

I'm not against it, but I wanna find the weird stuff

and I luv me las

[raw steppe]

no, I have 2 plasma builds and they actually path quite differently than this lol

[serene sage]

my recent experience in Maelstrom is that it's filled with fresh 30s who will die and not even be useful enough to be an aura bot

[stray storm]

I’d love Las if hadron won’t fuck up the blessings EVERY ROLL I GET

[raw steppe]

my shout plasma uses marksman keystone for breakpoints; and my executioner plasma grabs a bunch of nodes to make the melee better

[vivid charm]

You guys look at builds?

[serene sage]

please take Surivalist if you want to clutch

[vivid charm]

Cringe

[astral blade]

in all seriousness those i will be not using ET

after using it for one mission it sooooo not worth it

[fast scaffold]

Definitely not a controller talent

[slow spade]

ET is fine but not for controller

[nimble sentinel]

I disagree, and I need to update my games lantern build

[serene sage]

what does Extra Terrestial have to do with this?

[stray storm]

Fr

[nimble sentinel]

we're killin em, doofus. For the emps

[fast scaffold]

If you know, you know

[slow spade]

Here's my current build, ignore the red arrow