veteran-class

[celest vine]

Both MG1A and MG12 are great to use

Columnus and plasma too

[bright coyote]

ill accept it if im shooting too much but the ammo is just so awful, i cant bring myself to say the bolter is fine

[strange grove]

people need to learn to play more defensively, gain more awareness

[celest vine]

Lucius Mk3 is good too

[tall torrent]

All 3 infantry lasguns good
All 3 helbore lasguns strong
All 3 recon lasguns bad
All 3 infantry autoguns strong
2 braced autoguns good
2 headhunter autoguns strong
Bolter is alright
Laspistol is strong
Revolver is strong
Autopistol is alright
Plasma gun is strong

[celest vine]

Those are the 5 i would use

[delicate estuary]

just make sure everytime you shoot its a kill and you basically get that 1 round back

[bright coyote]

gotcha

[untold mulch]

Perfect summary

[strange grove]

i agree with this list

[clear tendon]

laspistol is immensely fun with scriers on psyker

[celest vine]

MG1A is overall better than the MG12, it’s certainly more versatile

But if youre a powersword enjoyer you can compensate for the MG12s lack of hoard clearing capability that way

[crude wind]

in terms of one shot potential, ammo efficiency, ease of use etc

[quasi glade]

I wouldn't call Helbores strong, IMO

[thick kestrel]

do we know what blessings we want for the 1a?

[crude wind]

like this thing is top of top tier for sure

[tall torrent]

But I don’t think there’s quite a “this gun does almost everything the best”

[crude wind]

via a lot of metrics

[celest vine]

MG1A comes close

[tall torrent]

Helbore is strong but very playstyle specific, you’re basically sniping in the back line but it is very strong in that role

[celest vine]

But its Unyielding damage hurts a fucking lot

Its lack there of anyway

[thick kestrel]

my gut feeling says headhunter/deadly accurate?

[crude wind]

i haven't been noticing this

reapers die in 4 shots

non crit

[crude wind]

exactly

[celest vine]

Reapers die in 2 shot from MG12

But everything kills reapers fast

[tall torrent]

Lasguns by default just don’t do that well against flak armor

[crude wind]

so the same, because the 1a can fire 2 shots in the time it takes Xii to fire one

and has better recoil

[quasi glade]

Yeah, but on higher difficulties you don't get to just sit and snipe, you get swarmed from every direction a lot of the time, and the punishment for missing a charged shot is too much, I think

[celest vine]

1 shot headshots are more consistent on the MG12

And come more often

Thats why I prefer it

[quasi glade]

Combine that with needing to "prepare" the gun when you take it out...

I see almost no reason to take Helbore over Plasma atm

[crude wind]

I'm 1 shot head shotting everything that isn't a Mauler, a Flak Rager and Ogres with my 1a

[tall torrent]

Which is why it shines a lot in a team that gets to handle hordes efficiently where it gets to just pop specials and elites one after another, but absolutely horrible if you’re getting melee’d left and right and need to reactively shoot priority targets

[crude wind]

feels redonk

[clear tendon]

i like the hellbore purely because the bayonet is fun

[celest vine]

Both are really good use what one you prefer

[clear tendon]

helbore? idk

[crude wind]

bayonet on HEllebore very nice now

[celest vine]

You can do flak rager one shot headshot with MG12

Thats one the 12 can do

[crude wind]

yes, but the price for that is a slower gun and much worse recoil

i really dislike the recoil on the XII

[celest vine]

Recoil pattern is the same

[crude wind]

feels like a bunny hop

[clear tendon]

speaking of weapons, its been hard for me to use anything other than the shovel, but this thing has pulled me away

[celest vine]

And with deadshot its not bad at all

[tall torrent]

MG12 actually has very low recoil

[celest vine]

You should run deadshot on all lasguns

[crude wind]

you don't need to

[celest vine]

Like all recoil pattersn for infantry lasguns are the exact same

[crude wind]

what, as in the recoil distance?

cause, it ain't

[celest vine]

Per shot kick

[strange grove]

no point in Caxes without brutal momentum fyi

[tall torrent]

Crit tac axe builds are based, I think if u run right side bottom for crits u can get like 50%+ crit chance with tac axes which is kinda crazy

[celest vine]

Also 45 % crit rate with deadshot

[untold mulch]

IV recoil is silly

[clear tendon]

caxes?

[strange grove]

combat axes

[clear tendon]

tac axe, i'm using the weapon customization mod

[strange grove]

Oh lol

I see that now 😄

[clear tendon]

yeah lmao

[crude wind]

Imo deadshot isn't needed for 1a or XII, and especially not the 1a. I'm a fan of deadshot in a lot of builds but Infantry lasguns do not be those builds

[tall torrent]

10% ish crit chance from base stat roll
Vet 5% innate crit chance
Shred max stacks almost 20% crit chance
Reciprocity procs at 10~20% crit chance respectively

[tall torrent]

Tac axes still want brutal momentum imo

Just helps with horde clear

[clear tendon]

that's fair, and i have a combat axe with it, i just really like the roll on this lmao

its very fun for me

[torn gorge]

issue with taxe is their miserable single target

[tall torrent]

Really not as bad as I thought

[torn gorge]

and just being a much worse caxe with better mobility

[strange grove]

being able to lock down a crusher with heavies on a caxe is great, beware of any friends of said crusher

[celest vine]

Isnt the best horde clear melee a sunder powersword?

[tall torrent]

Like, yes the dps is not as good but getting to stagger basically every enemy indefinitely is valuable

[celest vine]

Its stupidly good at it

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum power sword

[clear tendon]

my build is focused heavily on mobility so taxe is great for me

[torn gorge]

no need to stagger things when you kill things

[tall torrent]

But power sword gets punished in loads of things

[strange grove]

Isnt that any Caxe too?

[torn gorge]

[tall torrent]

Combat axes can, but much slower so if u get hit and lose the chain, you get combo’d

Very noticeable when fighting ragers

[strange grove]

Thats when you can reset them with vet shout or zealot chorus

[clear tendon]

also i dont play this game on the higher stuff like 5/auric so i just make fun stuff instead

[nimble sentinel]

Possibly controversial opinion: horde clearing isn’t just cleave and dps, you need defence as well when you need to dodge or parry a rager. I like the dclaw more

[tall torrent]

You don’t always have shout available

[celest vine]

If they’re a scab rager

Well

[torn gorge]

you can totally play auric 5 with any loadout really

[celest vine]

I have no fucking time for scab rager bullshit

[strange grove]

no big deal, I'll run and hide behind an ogryn

[celest vine]

[clear tendon]

true, but you fail to consider one important fact: i am aggressively mediocre at this game

[tall torrent]

Viable, just try to not shoot his back (impossible)

[nimble sentinel]

rager pov https://youtu.be/qEbYXZnKdM4?si=_nrmtXGrVD7q-M8k

[torn gorge]

if you like the game and the challenge you can get better to the point you can clear auric 5 with any loadout

[delicate estuary]

mk3 hellbore does not require headshots

[clear tendon]

4 is a struggle for me on most classes unless i'm on zealot with at least 2 bowls in me

[delicate estuary]

its a 1 shot body shot

for most specials

and ranged elites

[inner imp]

exhil takedown is now fixed?

[delicate estuary]

yes

[inner imp]

i am no longer paper mache?

[tall torrent]

Yes, good for sharpshooter vets now

[celest vine]

If I can destroy a rager horde with one grenade I will

[inner imp]

it is time

omegafull leftside marksman focus

[celest vine]

Dreg ragers are differnt

[quasi glade]

On Damnation?

[celest vine]

But ky gun can kill maybe three with headshots before they get close

[nimble sentinel]

[celest vine]

Stagger light attack spam with sunder tho

[clear tendon]

ragers are scary :(

[delicate estuary]

yes hellbore mk3 should be able to one shot body ranged elites and specials from my experience

[torn gorge]

at worst just backslide and shoot them in the face

[bright coyote]

got to try out sunder for the first time recently, i was shocked at how good it is

[celest vine]

Sunder and cycler 4 are really good together

[inner imp]

sunder is rend right?

[quasi glade]

Yeah I can see that.
I feel like it also suffers a lot when your teammates routinely knock enemies down...

[celest vine]

Cleave

[strange grove]

i loved the mk3 HB until I was tired of having to get knocked out of my 'perch' by every poxwalker and their mums

[inner imp]

cleave???????

[tall torrent]

Helbore is somewhat polar in team composition

[inner imp]

[quasi glade]

I don't think mine could do it to anything lol, but I should check again

[celest vine]

By what increase I dont know

But it says increase

[inner imp]

omg they really dont like telling u anything

[clear tendon]

hellbore seems like it's extremely good but only if you're in a party or something to back up just how exposed you are with the thing

[strange grove]

columnus support fast paced vet is my jam now, that 20% revive speed w/ some curios is great

[torn gorge]

thats just left side vet really

[inner imp]

so i assume it takes up less charge per mass on powered swings

[strange grove]

Being able to shout rez people in the middle of ten thousand crushers and ragers is great

[nimble sentinel]

still at work so can't experiment, is exhilirating takedown worth taking over confirmed kill?

[torn gorge]

one works with melee and nade kills

the other does not

[celest vine]

I was told you can penetrate bullwark shields with sunder

I replicated it twice

[inner imp]

:0

sounds pog

[acoustic wyvern]

i take both

[celest vine]

But cant tell if it is consistent or two flukes

[delicate estuary]

I would say mk12 is harder to use than hellbore

[strange grove]

sounds like a bug, I'll report it to FS

[tall torrent]

U can’t actually hit the bulwark’s health, but u can cleave through it

[delicate estuary]

cause you actually need to hit heads on mk12

[inner imp]

fraktal noooeee

[celest vine]

So stagger them into a body hit

[tall torrent]

You can’t stagger bulwarks with power sword pretty sure

[delicate estuary]

whats up with people not waiting for bulwark to swing and then taking a shot at their head which then leads to a stagger which then leads to more headshots

[tall torrent]

Power sword just doesn’t get to stagger Ogryns at all

[celest vine]

Krak penetrates shields

[inner imp]

me throw nade and bully them on floor

got too many threats other than bulwark tbh

[delicate estuary]

nades are an expensive commodity tho compared to 3-4 lasgun shots

[celest vine]

Bombers swap their incendiary nades for krak

🗿

[pearl sapphire]

Grenade regen perk

[inner imp]

r u guys still enjoyers of agripina infantry and agripina braced?

[nimble sentinel]

no points for both

[inner imp]

had a run with both of them yesterday on damn, was really fun going brrrrrr

[delicate estuary]

I know regen exists just doesnt feel mandatory to waste any nades on bulwarks unless there is like 6 of them

[celest vine]

I dont use ballistic weapons

[pearl sapphire]

I love it because I can deal with annoying shit really quickly

[spare geyser]

exhilarating takedown node still broken?

[inner imp]

i played mostly las/plas/bolter since cbt so the change of pace was nice

[shell ginkgo]

Fellas, is it true?

[inner imp]

its true

[shell ginkgo]

They finally fixed it?

[quaint valve]

yas

[inner imp]

aimbotters rise up

its time to headshot

[delicate estuary]

its fixed

with todays hotfix

[spare geyser]

sweet

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtu.be/-nIJdHn1FFE?si=qwx_DIZf9XUyNn-c

[zealous wyvern]

veteran is saved

finally

[delicate estuary]

veteran was fine

just sharpshooter vet was fucked till it was fixed

[zealous wyvern]

not sharpshooter for me

yes

[shell ginkgo]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7tulG6U49wrbeaaHQ56z5LXAod5ISXlOS3FnWj2GdM4/https/media.tenor.com/FqvA9ktaV8oAAAPo/praise-the-sun-yes.mp4

[zealous wyvern]

a class you can only play one way is not a fixed class

[inner imp]

to be fair, sharpshooter vet was fine if you just built it like pre-rework

[clever patio]

i think vet does not even need keystones

to be viable for now

[chrome berry]

With weapon spec at 10 stacks, do i get 10 shots with 33% crit or one with 330%?

[bright coyote]

Yes

[inner imp]

one shot git fuuuuuuuh

[quaint valve]

The way it works right now is 1 shot guranteed crit

[chrome berry]

wack

[paper anchor]

Me with Recon MkVId weapon specialist.

[balmy flume]

Exhilirating Takedown got fixed

At last!

[delicate estuary]

yes

if you didnt want to use keystones it was fine

[inner imp]

it is time

[balmy flume]

I don’t use the bottom keystones either.
Some of the other node bonuses cough nade regen cough are just too useful to ignore.

[shell ginkgo]

[inner imp]

time to see if i eat shit

[bright coyote]

let us know

[delicate estuary]

which gun skin is that btw

[inner imp]

Night-Eagle

[delicate estuary]

which pack is it from like which class pack

[quaint valve]

steel legion i think

[shell ginkgo]

STEEL LEGION

💪

[nimble sentinel]

"My job is Gun 2 - Electric Boogaloo" brainstorming

[delicate estuary]

steel legion is for vet ?

[quaint valve]

bet it comes back without the extras and only the skin

[shell ginkgo]

Ya

[inner imp]

steel legion yeah

[quaint valve]

they did that recently with a pack

[quaint valve]

for the zelot i tihnk

[delicate estuary]

yea the zealot one

[candid bridge]

The current zealot skin

[quaint valve]

Didnt even lower price smh

[shell ginkgo]

They did.

[candid bridge]

They did

It’s 2100

[nimble sentinel]

that lasgun skin is unobtainable now and I get to flex on the xbox kids and their free aquilas

[shell ginkgo]

2400 -> 2100

[quaint valve]

oh 300, didnt know. Still not worth the loss though

[nimble sentinel]

imma call my lasgun the pearl and clutch it HARD

[delicate estuary]

no trynna diss but I feel like sniper resistance is not worth the perk slot

[shell ginkgo]

It's a better deal if you only wanted the clothes and not the weapon skins

[quaint valve]

ive found 1 enough to save me from a shot every now and then

[nimble sentinel]

hol up store got updated?

[delicate estuary]

understandable

[shell ginkgo]

A few days ago now.

Pretty much all repeats

[nimble sentinel]

ah so the original steel legion drip isn't there?

[shell ginkgo]

Nope

We got the vet set that gives a robot leg

[quaint valve]

was that a 1 week store change? or still 2 week like normal

[shell ginkgo]

2 weeks

[quaint valve]

felt like i missed a week

[zealous wyvern]

i hate that veteran set

[nimble sentinel]

minus the gun skin and for the same price lol

[shell ginkgo]

Not the same price.

[quaint valve]

300 less

[nimble sentinel]

ah, isnt the zealot bundle also a repeat and still 2400?

[candid bridge]

No

It’s 2100

[shell ginkgo]

No that image above was the old one

[nimble sentinel]

ah gotcha

I still got the sexiest lasgun

[shell ginkgo]

[mystic belfry]

Left capstone node instead of right :v

[nimble sentinel]

no bonus damage for the team?

[delicate estuary]

I mean it depends on weapon but the no ammo consumption on crit for lasguns does not feel necessary currently

[mystic belfry]

It’s a variable boost that caps out at 7.5%, so it often will have no value

Toughness and stamina for the team will always help, and it will give you more stamina for deadshot

[nimble sentinel]

I disagree, keeps me from getting in the way of ammo inefficient builds when I am running next to them, and I get to unload into hordes before they become melee problems

[delicate estuary]

unload into hordes

which lasgun can do that

[nimble sentinel]

IV

[delicate estuary]

other than recon

but why would you unload into hordes

[delicate moat]

so I was using this tree with vraks 7 in a pub AM

[quaint valve]

oop, just queued for auric maelstrom on hab dreyko. this is going to suck

[delicate moat]

let's just say it felt like absolute ass to use exec stance in pubs

[mystic belfry]

They all can unload into hordes it’s just not a good idea

[nimble sentinel]

1. 5 poxers are less dangerous in melee than 20
2. it's fun

and now that ET is fixed,
3) toughness

[delicate estuary]

I would disagree with the first point and second point I Cant argue with cause I understand fun

5 poxers are more dangerous than 20

[mystic belfry]

1000 poxwalkers is about as dangerous as 20

[delicate estuary]

cause people will underestimate them

yea what ascend said

[delicate moat]

I feel like Exhausting Takedown did help a little bit when I'm taking ranged fights with the shit ton of ranged enemies

[wanton dawn]

Exhausting takedown

[delicate moat]

however the problem is that exec stance absolutely sucks in pubs

[delicate estuary]

exe stance requires careful piloting and almost perfect spatial awareness of where your team is

has taken me like 100 levels or so to make it work

in pubs at least

[delicate moat]

my pub teammates, as per pub tradition, scattered around

[nimble sentinel]

if I'm stuck in melee there's nobody to shoot bombers and flamers. If I'm able to kill the horde before they become a problem for me, I can click on the more important heads

[delicate estuary]

in premades its much easier

[mystic belfry]

It’s good it just doesn’t feel needed

[terse idol]

Now I wiill say Sniper resistance is one of the choices, your other being Gunner for sure

[nimble sentinel]

it goes against everything we've been theorycrafting, I know, but believe me it works

[terse idol]

It's good

[delicate moat]

I spent most of my time doing melee and not exec stance

if anything, I took an Execution Seat

[mystic belfry]

But Columnus with marksman and a executioner stance is crazy good

[delicate estuary]

I dont run any personally. I usually kill both on time. Only time I could see sniper resistance being good is when you are dropping and then there is a random ass sniper spawn that snipes you mid drop

which admittedly has happened a couple times

[delicate moat]

the snipers will shoot you through 5 chained fences that you can't shoot back

[terse idol]

I meeannn
There are those times where you can't see the sniper in maybe a horde

[delicate estuary]

I know cause I use exe stance

[terse idol]

I can seee it

[delicate estuary]

I can see the fuckers

[mystic belfry]

I wish their was a flat aoe damage reduction like vermtide has

[delicate estuary]

but in some desert maps you cannot distinguish the exe stance outline

[delicate moat]

I use a mod to change this

I changed it to full white

[terse idol]

Honestly, with how Guners can clump up and catch ya

[delicate moat]

so they are still visible inside fire or dust maps

[terse idol]

It caan be nessasary

[delicate estuary]

send link

[mystic belfry]

Gunner damage reduction is great

[terse idol]

Feels real bad when you get obliterated by the 6-10 gunner clump

*nod

[delicate estuary]

ye curios are more playstyle oriented imo but if I see bomber resistance

I swear

bomber resistance only affects the kick

[delicate moat]

it's called outline colors but I can't seem to find it on nexus

[torn gorge]

ye but have you been kicked recently by flamers/bombers?

[sharp epoch]

ET IS FIXED?

[torn gorge]

they HURT

[delicate estuary]

yes

[torn gorge]

they did not skip leg day for sure

[delicate estuary]

yes they do hurt when I Get netted next to one and I proceed to be kicked into the warp

I agree

[mystic belfry]

Id run flamer resistance off it stopped fire from instantly taking all of your toughness

[dusky flare]

seen some people with the holy trinity of bomber, flamer and mutant resist

[delicate estuary]

[sharp epoch]

yay need to try out the marksman build now

[delicate moat]

bomber/flamer resist doesn't do shit

[delicate estuary]

they protect you from their kicks

[delicate moat]

if you're getting kicked by bombers/flamers I think there's usually bigger problems

[umbral scaffold]

i went down to a bomber kick before

[mystic belfry]

Pretty much the only usable damage reduction is gunner and sniper

[delicate estuary]

yes its called a skill issue when I play zoomy zealot

[terse idol]

I guess that explains why folks were getting hit by 100 by pox walkers

[dusky flare]

Also saw someone put infested on their shredder pistol

[mystic belfry]

Maybe that wouldn’t have happened if you were Fit Sasquatch

[sharp epoch]

pro strat for horde farming

[nimble sentinel]

click heads, become ungovernable

[tall torrent]

Wait it does?

[terse idol]

No

[delicate moat]

nice try

[tall torrent]

Lmao

[sharp epoch]

flamer resist is good when ur sitting on fire cooking

[torn gorge]

use a smoke nade to choke the fire on the ground next time

[delicate moat]

gotta let them cook

[kind scarab]

If only it did that

[delicate moat]

dude I swear they silent buffed the AI teamwork

[inner imp]

alright

[delicate moat]

as soon as you get netted

[inner imp]

marksman focus still feels like overkill

[delicate moat]

there will be a bomber nade perfectly tossed to the dead center of your downed body

[inner imp]

but no MF keystone ranged vet feels great still

[delicate moat]

from 200m away

[inner imp]

screw m focus

[slow spade]

I use the ping one

Team buffs are the best buffs c:

[umbral scaffold]

wait what if smoke grenades extinguished fire like in csgo

[slow spade]

Even the most dogshit teammate can be useful if you buff them enough UwU

[slow spade]

Personally I'd prefer if it helped vs melee enemies too

Like it gave a buff to teammates when in smoke

[delicate moat]

on the topic of the ping one, I've already met a few unfortunate soul who didn't know u can turn off the double ping "go over here"

[umbral scaffold]

it wouldnt make sense if it did something against melee

[slow spade]

Like stim smokes in XCOM

[slow spade]

Yeah...

I try to tell them when I see it

[delicate moat]

and a few more who bound ping to LMB

[slow spade]

Literally make it give combat stims

[delicate moat]

I hope whoever does that steps on a lego

[slow spade]

It already exists just usually for the more "valuable" people

[umbral scaffold]

omfg i had a game ehere this vet would NOT stop saying "GO THERE" every 5 seocnds

beyond annoying

[delicate moat]

it gets really annoying really fast

[shell ginkgo]

Hard to melee when blind

[bitter turtle]

they prob dont know how to turn it off

[slow spade]

He's just trying to help but man does it get in the way

[delicate moat]

I know it's not their fault

[bitter turtle]

thank fatshark for putting it on the same as tag target

:^)

such wise

[slow spade]

Because it blocks pings too lol

[delicate moat]

fatshark decided to make a double ping for whatever reason to be default on

[slow spade]

So it also makes it harder for ping keystone

[delicate moat]

I can tell the vet is trying really hard to support the team

[slow spade]

It feels intentional with how shitty that change was

[delicate moat]

because I am told to "go over here" "this way!" multiple times a second

[bitter turtle]

i quesiton if they play their own game if they didnt realize ppl spam tag button as a way to scout out elites

[slow spade]

Adds ping stone -> adds double ping marker that BLOCKS further pings????

[delicate moat]

[nimble sentinel]

you can change how the double ping works in setting, even turn it off completely. I have mine to mark enemy hordes

[delicate moat]

yeah, but that setting is not obvious at all and not really properly announced

[nimble sentinel]

no argument there

[slow spade]

The problem is its not announced and its on by default

[bitter turtle]

ya its not under controls when you'd THINK it is

[quaint valve]

Is 15 stacks for markmans keystone worth?

[slow spade]

Not in my opinion

[bitter turtle]

i prefer camoflauge

the one where you get stacks standin g stll

incidentally its the only one i take anyway

[delicate moat]

for high fire rate IAGs maybe, but camo is too good

[bitter turtle]

rending one is meh

[tall torrent]

Camouflage or don’t use keystone at all

[slow spade]

Anything that doesn't die in 1-shot with 15 stacks of Focus is probably Nurgle himself

[delicate moat]

camo should just be a base of the keystone

[delicate estuary]

^^

[umbral scaffold]

whats camp

[bitter turtle]

it really should

[umbral scaffold]

camo

[delicate moat]

the fact that it is mutually exclusive with more stacks is really dumb

[bitter turtle]

feels like it doesnt work right without

[bitter turtle]

stacks for standing still

[umbral scaffold]

o

i prefer the 15 stacks

stamdimg still is cringe

[delicate estuary]

or if you are a crab walking enjoyer it also stacks when you are crouch walking I believe @umbral scaffold

[delicate moat]

you shouldn't have to prefer -- you should be able to get both

[nimble sentinel]

🦀

[bitter turtle]

you dont really have to go out of your way to stand still

[delicate moat]

[bitter turtle]

its not like you are perpetually in motion

[delicate estuary]

just make sure you hit a headshots every second or 2

[quaint valve]

toughness stacks meaningful? or another dud on the keystone

[clear tendon]

just dont miss

[umbral scaffold]

i use marksman plus the fast firing kantrael + rending

works very well

[candid bridge]

Does no one read the tips? You can move and kill and still keep your stacks lol

[delicate estuary]

yea just hit a headshot

amidst all the chaos

[terse idol]

No they dooo, people just don't like needing to stand still

[delicate estuary]

my bad

[delicate moat]

I took Exhausting Takedown so I didn't bother investing in marksman focus

[umbral scaffold]

exhausting takedown lol

[terse idol]

Its finally fixed

[bitter turtle]

exhilirating takedown fix when

[clear tendon]

i havent touched the left keystone, i saw that middle tree let me be Witch Hunter Captain again and now i just want a boltpistol/dclaw weapon like the flintlock and rapier

[umbral scaffold]

fighting a beast of nurgle solo

[bitter turtle]

oh

it fixed?

[terse idol]

Now

[quaint valve]

its fixed

[bitter turtle]

omg

[nimble sentinel]

unironically yeh, it's not that hard

[quaint valve]

todays patch

[terse idol]

Check the patch notes

[bitter turtle]

2 points freed up

[nimble sentinel]

we picked shooty bois for a reaosn

[brisk umbra]

They finally fixed?

Insanity

[bitter turtle]

dont have to waste pts to get ck anymore

on my vraks build

wew

[delicate estuary]

Look I dont disagree, but doing it for a prolonged periods of time it gets really taxing

[delicate moat]

yeah, exhilatering takedown is fixed -- but what is broken?

[clear tendon]

our table

[umbral scaffold]

now all they gotta do is remove a quarter of vets nodes still

[quaint valve]

yeah vet tax is still rough

[mystic belfry]

I meant if it did

[delicate moat]

Leave No One Behind -> Leave Everyone Behind

[nimble sentinel]

I'm beginning to suspect I'm the only one here who came from shooters

[clear tendon]

knife zealot players

[delicate estuary]

my zoomy zealot build exactly. I just go for a run to collect the 10 million specials that spawn to come back to team that is struggling to fight crushers/maulers/ragers that are refusing to ping

[umbral scaffold]

ogryn has 61 nodes excluding blitz, ability and aura

[delicate estuary]

if I ping something its cause I cant deal with it so others can do it or I ping stuff of high priority

[umbral scaffold]

vet has 80 excluding those same things

[clear tendon]

i ping because it gives the funny yellow outine and then they die

[nimble sentinel]

I was pinging shit all the time before keystones, might as well get more boons out of it

[delicate estuary]

I have seen people getting ram ranched by 6 crushers and still not frantically spam pinging them to get peoples attention

[clear tendon]

6 naked crushers in the hab block at tertium ranch

[bitter turtle]

🤔 now where to put the last two points

https://i.gyazo.com/0f8292836a0e64defa9a0a4637f2ffab.png

[nimble sentinel]

18 naked cowboys in the showers of the Mourningstar!?

[bitter turtle]

prob gonna shove it on demo team

[umbral scaffold]

zealot has 64

[candid bridge]

Middle top

[edgy condor]

Can anyone confirm that exhilarating takedown was actually fixed? Because at this point I’d trust a heretic before I’d trust fatshark patchnotes

[atomic zephyr]

fucking finally

[bitter turtle]

no i literally just got rid of middle top lmao

[quaint valve]

my screen shot wasnt fast enough, but i just caught this

[bitter turtle]

since ^ fixed

[bitter turtle]

no need for CK anymore

[quaint valve]

far left was a bot

[clear tendon]

clearly you should get serrated edge

[bitter turtle]

omg ur right

[umbral scaffold]

psyker has 55

[bitter turtle]

let me drop another thing for that 1 bleed stack

[clear tendon]

Yes.

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[delicate estuary]

serrated edge with the more damage to weakpoints on bleeding enemies

on a knife

there you go

[candid bridge]

Why? It’s just bonus toughness and toughness reduction

[delicate estuary]

problem solved

[umbral scaffold]

psyker 55
ogryn 61
zealot 64
veteran 80

[bitter turtle]

i actually have that knife blessing on one of my knives

lol

[clear tendon]

i like serrated edge because it makes the shovel horde clear even faster

[umbral scaffold]

wtf is this shit

[bitter turtle]

i made a precog and a mercy killer one

[clear tendon]

that makes a lot of sense in retrospect as to why i felt so limited with vet. With psyker i got a full keystone and still was able to put several points into the other 2 trees for perks i liked.

[umbral scaffold]

devs just dont care about vets talent tree

[clear tendon]

there's a ton of fat here that needs to be trimmed

[delicate estuary]

if vet's tree gets trimmed then stuff needs to get nerfed

[bitter turtle]

DELETE 👏 BORN 👏 LEADER

[inner imp]

marksman keystone is the definition of luxury

[umbral scaffold]

if i recount including blitz, aura and ability vet will still be huge

[delicate estuary]

there is too many nodes that when combined will make vet absolutely disgusting

[trim steppe]

LOOKS LIKE MEATS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS "Fixed an issue where the Veteran "Exhilarating Takedown" talent was increasing the toughness damage taken instead of decreasing it."

[inner imp]

overpriced, overexaggerated

[slow spade]

A lot of talents could be cut too

Like "+50% suppression"

Who needs that lol

[inner imp]

unironically the best sharpshooter vet build is still no MM focus

[nimble sentinel]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH

[inner imp]

hey screw you i use that on agripiss brace autogun

[slow spade]

Blocked for disagreeing

[rose verge]

Wha' baout theyah toughness nodes? They don't need those!

[clear tendon]

isnt meat on the menu ogres and not orks though

[inner imp]

D:<

[slow spade]

UwU

[inner imp]

well blocked for blocking!

OwO

[slow spade]

D:

Bully

[rose verge]

Orcs

The Tolkien kind

[inner imp]

on the real tho

with Exhil Takedown fixed

vet sharp eat good

[rose verge]

Technically it was an Uruk said it iirc

[inner imp]

so much toughness dmg reduc

[clear tendon]

ahh, right

[inner imp]

kinda insane

[slow spade]

Sharpshooter > shout Vet UwU

[clear tendon]

it's been a while since i've read the books, i should go through them again sometime

[inner imp]

catachan knife shotgun vet

[edgy condor]

Nah that’s cope

[inner imp]

:3

[slow spade]

Helbore > all the other guns

[clear tendon]

this is true

[trim steppe]

That single talent helps so much with toughness regen and DR, I cant wait to play and see if the vet is in decent shape again

[candid bridge]

I’d use executioners stance but teammates are in the way just too much

[clear tendon]

the Helbore is objectively perfect

[edgy condor]

Plasma gun would like a word

[slow spade]

Plasma gun time

[clear tendon]

objectively

[sour elbow]

I know this is dumb, but fatshark and clarity aren't on speaking terms; do ragers have some sort of bonus against veterans? I always seem to get mulched by them, yet even playing psyker I can briskly squash them.

[slow spade]

Sorry have fun with your 20+ ammo pickups every game 💅💅💅

[candid bridge]

That’s what I use but just use it with my shout support

[bitter turtle]

what are you using to kill them at melee range

im assuming you are doing it at melee

[trim steppe]

Literally my favorite gun for this reason, Ogryn allies cant troll me anymore

[slow spade]

Same its comfy

[bitter turtle]

for you to get bodied by them

[slow spade]

I simply block every ogryn player

UwU

[nimble sentinel]

equip speed slower than hive world bureaucracy tho

[edgy condor]

fatshark and clarity aren’t on speaking terms bruh I’m fucking DEAD lmao

[trim steppe]

smort

[rose verge]

I nearly failed my Make Every Shot Count because of giant Ogryn asses in the way

[bitter turtle]

if your melee cant stagger them you're gonna eat a lot of hits @ ragers

[slow spade]

So? Just never switch off

[sour elbow]

Powersword mk3 atm. Shovel is having slightly better results, I suspect that's better stagger

[bitter turtle]

if you go in a head on fight

[clear tendon]

good, more time to my teammates to die so i can save the day once again

[bitter turtle]

since they do a silly combo whenever they attack

[slow spade]

I forgot to equip my melee weapon on Helbore

[sour elbow]

search your feelings, you know it to be true. :p

[slow spade]

Like it matters, Helbore has bayonet

[bitter turtle]

they dont do anything "extra" tho no

[slow spade]

💪

[nimble sentinel]

the commissar cap says I cannot argue with that

[sour elbow]

I have to google wtf rending is

[bitter turtle]

it just hurts is all if you get caught in their shit

[inner imp]

rending is armor pen

[delicate estuary]

not sure why we have to turn on our hellbore every time we pull it out

[inner imp]

is ur already at 100% rend, every 1% = 1% extra dmg

[clear tendon]

rending is armor pen, brittleness is general damage weakness iirc

[slow spade]

Because the Omnissiah said so

[bitter turtle]

no

rending past 100% has a 1/4th effectiveness

[sour elbow]

sure, but I have to google it to find out, when I don't know maybe having it explained in the game would be good. But I'm a weirdo like that.

[bitter turtle]

unless they changed it

[delicate moat]

@delicate estuary I found the mod link, it's in the darktide modding server only though: <#1048318548180738118 message>

[inner imp]

they changed it remember?

[bitter turtle]

o they did

when was that

[candid bridge]

Brittleness is rending but for everyone

[inner imp]

like patch 13 or something

[sour elbow]

still trying to work out if that 10% rending on my keystone is worth it for my lasrifle.

[clear tendon]

ahhh, gotcha.

[slow spade]

No you're right

[sour elbow]

think it's working

[delicate estuary]

thanks will take a look

[slow spade]

Dusk is thinking Patch 13 is pre-patch 13

Rending is .25 damage after 100%

[umbral scaffold]

psyker 71
ogryn 81
zealot 80
veteran 100

total nodes

[slow spade]

Which is why revolver is cracked as fuck

[inner imp]

so its 1% every 4%

me 'ed no good

[umbral scaffold]

like i said, vet needs a quarter of its nodes removed

[inner imp]

took too many to the dome

[slow spade]

As anything it could pen a minimum of 20% damage bonus on top of it

[sour elbow]

Yeah, they have... lots.

[umbral scaffold]

i need to contact fatshark about this

[slow spade]

And lots of them don't matter

[umbral scaffold]

this is ridiculous

[inner imp]

and brittleness is just rend for friends

right

[slow spade]

Which makes it feel extra bad

[slow spade]

Yes

[delicate estuary]

think they made vet more specialized ehnce the more nodes which is fine but if they remove nodes they need to nerf existing ones cause combined some nodes can be disgusting

[inner imp]

max brit % is 40% if i remember right

[trim steppe]

imo that rending node is always worth it if you can reach it

[umbral scaffold]

or just remove a bunch of useless nodes

[slow spade]

The problem is the Vet talent tree forces you to make bad choices

Like literally no one wants Born Leader

[sour elbow]

Fixed an issue where the Veteran "Exhilarating Takedown" talent was increasing the toughness damage taken instead of decreasing it. Oh, sweet, I can actually take that.

[umbral scaffold]

twinned grenades useless

[slow spade]

But you need to take it

[inner imp]

i have come to the conclusion that, Marskman Focus will always be useless.

[delicate moat]

what does born leader even do

[inner imp]

just play pre-rework vet tree

[slow spade]

15% toughness regenerated is given to allies as well

[lean light]

The true veteran experience is taking no talents

We don't need to be skilled

[slow spade]

The key word is "regenerated"

[inner imp]

true just run at enemy with shovel

[lean light]

Just shoot with your gun and everything will be fine.

[delicate moat]

oh that useless node

[untold mulch]

I swear it would be much better as a lower % but GENERATED

[inner imp]

aka 100% toughness bar = not shared excess for allies right

[sour elbow]

yeah, if it was "all sources of toughness you get" it would be great especially for an 'officer' support type build.

[slow spade]

Yes lol

[inner imp]

i find that hilarious

actually useless

lmfaoo

[south garnet]

god what a shit fucking node lmao

[candid bridge]

Vanguard and tactical reload can go

[slow spade]

They did literally everything in their power to make Born Leader shit

[inner imp]

u know i vent plasma just to hurt myself for teammates

[delicate moat]

true veteran is to not take any nodes

[inner imp]

build 100% overheat

vent for teammates

[trim steppe]

It needs to be the same % and "generated" to be considered honestly

[untold mulch]

And then make it a forced node

[lean light]

Another believer

[slow spade]

Indeed lmao

[delicate estuary]

people saying that vet doesnt require any nodes when they realise they will have to run exe stance since its the default ability

[south garnet]

honestly don't even give the node a name or effect. Just have it be a blank "fuck you" node

It would be more honest

[slow spade]

Vet tree has like 5-6 wasted nodes guaranteed

No matter how you build lol

[candid bridge]

Relentless just needs to be incorporated into executioners stance

[gusty sonnet]

FINALLY
Wrath 4

[inner imp]

vet has more tax than the US has debt

[trim steppe]

Honestly now that shout got nerfed a bit, I don't mind taking exec stance cuz it doesn't feel completely stupid to not take shout

[delicate estuary]

nothing competes with shout

whwat

[inner imp]

?

[trim steppe]

THIS for the love of the emperor

[slow spade]

I mean +50 toughness is still good as fuck

[quaint valve]

it doesnt need wrath?

[inner imp]

all they did was make shout toughness go to waht it originally was with the bonus node

+50 past max

[delicate estuary]

I run exe stance dont ge tme wrong but I still think shout is BiS for vet

200 group toughness

and stagger anything you want

[inner imp]

shout will always be god tier

[candid bridge]

Also get rid of enhanced target priority

[slow spade]

No one tell him that psword has like 12 base cleave 😔

[inner imp]

lols

[delicate estuary]

on a 10 second cooldown

[sour elbow]

It's a massive upgrade to it, yes.

[trim steppe]

Yeah its super good asf still, before it was "why would anyone run anything else" good tho

[delicate moat]

issue with not having shout is ironically i lose a tool to make space to shoot

[slow spade]

True

[trim steppe]

It was a good nerf

[inner imp]

if only they didnt nerf For the Emperor

[trim steppe]

honestly

[inner imp]

that 20%->10% i cry

[candid bridge]

You can also stack the shout if you get it back fast enough

[slow spade]

They should meme and remove Duty and Honor from Shout

[gusty sonnet]

I was memeing, it's a melk item that has PC4 on it

[languid escarp]

Half as good as 100 toughness though 🥹

[slow spade]

Just to see the shitstorm that would occur

[quaint valve]

youll want PC + slaughterer or Brutal momentum

[delicate estuary]

yea most vets would have to get good

[slow spade]

That would imply Vets deserve anything good UwU

[languid escarp]

With 100 yellow toughness you can tank 2 Crusher slams

[gusty sonnet]

Thanks for the advice, but that's already what I'm running

[slow spade]

P cycler bad

You should scrap it

[lean light]

I think people are sleeping on the doom fun zone build where you swap weapons every 3 seconds

[trim steppe]

With 100 overtoughness, pox bursters don't even dent your hp

[inner imp]

anyone else a fleshtearer+lacerate enjoyer?

[lean light]

Also bayonet charging with a Mk2 Lucius is amazing

[languid escarp]

True that too

[trim steppe]

You can take a burster to the taint and walk away

[inner imp]

just bleed and run away

lmao

[slow spade]

They still don't if you stack more toughness

I have 230 base toughness lmao

[gusty sonnet]

OMW to scrap that sword for wrath 4 sir 🫡

[slow spade]

You need some UwU

[slow spade]

D:

Coward

[candid bridge]

Do you run 3 toughness Cheerios?

[trim steppe]

Do you run 3 toughness curios? I haven't done that since the overhaul, don't you find yourself too squishy without extra hp?

[gusty sonnet]

2 tuff curio + the 2 25 tuff nodes does it

[languid escarp]

Talking about toughness, why tf is damage resist against flamers a thing when they strip you of all your armor anyway

[slow spade]

Tes

Yes*

[slow spade]

Yes

Extra hp is useless

[delicate estuary]

it reduces the damage you take from their kicks

[slow spade]

Because all your resistances are toughness lmao

[trim steppe]

Because Fatshark loves to meme its players

[languid escarp]

No ones gonna stand in the fire

[candid bridge]

Health is useless cause you die in 2 fucking hits from a poxwalker anyway (when your toughness is gone that is)

[delicate estuary]

it doesnt affect fire

[slow spade]

"But fire" your literal job as vet is killing specialists like flamers anyways

[languid escarp]

Oh

[slow spade]

So you have to fuck up before hand

[languid escarp]

You mean their melee attack

[spark arrow]

i dont know if this is universally true. sometimes you get clipped by bombers/flamers and some bonus hp comes in super handy

[languid escarp]

Thats hella useless

[terse idol]

Because uhh, it's for their kick

[delicate estuary]

HP is more important than toughness especially after the resource changes if you can maintain your toughness

[slow spade]

Considering the Vet's job is killing them, skill issue is unironically the only thing I can say

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair

[spark arrow]

because you take significantly less hp damage?

[delicate estuary]

just dont get clipped by poxwalkers

[inner imp]

me like toughness up the wazoo

[delicate estuary]

cant be that hard

[candid bridge]

I wish the target keystone had a modifier to mark multiple enemies

[terse idol]

Sometimes flamers will come up nearly silent

[trim steppe]

I used to run 3 toughness curios but found that running 2 hp and a stam curio helped my survivability a ton when I needed it, which was when my toughness broke. When things are going fine, it doesn't matter if I have 150 toughness or 250. But I haven't run that in a while, maybe I should try again

[terse idol]

Tox flamers are loud

[slow spade]

Then shoot them

Repeatedly

[terse idol]

But I don't hear regular flamers till it's too late

[terse idol]

Couldn't hear them, currently in a horde

L

[candid bridge]

FLAME. DEATH. REPEAT

[sullen scarab]

Finally, I have a solution to Ragers and Maulers

[forest blaze]

Do we know what comes in Traitor Curse part 2?

[sullen scarab]

they hate this 1 simple trick!

[inner imp]

another vet nerf obviously

[delicate estuary]

I know

[forest blaze]

my favorite

[zinc osprey]

One or both of Wolfer's boyfriends fights us

[slow spade]

2nd Vet rework

[forest blaze]

I'm in.

[delicate estuary]

traitor curse part 2 will feature more bugs

[wooden oar]

Why do so many people consider the last patches to be veteran nerfs 😂

[terse idol]

Honestly it's when you're in a horde and a flamer clips you is when they're most dangerous

[zinc osprey]

That's the spirit

[forest blaze]

Rally for bolt pistol

[slow spade]

I hope the bodyguards are like 3 nurglings in a suit

[inner imp]

factually speaking they did nerf a lot of numbers on the vet stuff

[terse idol]

Yeah

[inner imp]

not even memes

[slow spade]

All of them were toughness

[terse idol]

Like we literally had voc nerfed, the damage on cqc nerfed

[slow spade]

Its almost as if toughness stacking is op as fuck on Vet UwU

[forest blaze]

New horde type release. it's nurglings and there's 3x as many and they're super small

[wooden oar]

Yet it’s still very possible to get the same results and some situations even better results.

[terse idol]

We had a rework and we also had some nerfs

[delicate moat]

next patch:

• slightly increased quantity of ragers

[terse idol]

The last buff vet got was when exilerating takedown was fixed today

[forest blaze]

oh lawd.

[wooden oar]

They patched that today?

[terse idol]

Yeah it's in the hot fix notes

[forest blaze]

"We also doubled the amount of maulers that spawn in auric missions"

[wooden oar]

Nice

[inner imp]

it is but it doesnt change the fact they brought down more numbers

[candid bridge]

Maybe we get orks

[slow spade]

The day Fatshark says "increased elites" is the day I shit myself

[inner imp]

keep in mind my current stance is vet is fine, the talent tree just gives u an aneurysm

[forest blaze]

When our buffs are actually bug fixes

[terse idol]

[spark arrow]

it added some spice to the bottom of the trees at the cost of nerfing some of the neutral talents we were using. vets have to spend significantly more points than other classes to get to those keystones to make up for the nerfs to our older talents in order to shore up some of the weaknesses. its not a nerf per say but limits what you can fit into your builds. also for some the keystones require more work than they should to get value

[slow spade]

As Patch 13 AND Patch 14 "decreased" elite spawns lmao

[terse idol]

Oh they also nerfed

[forest blaze]

"increased elite spawns and lowered the volume of audio cues for some maniac spawns"

[terse idol]

The amount of toughness overtime

You Recieved on elite kill with that talent

[delicate moat]

this is the funniest shit

[slow spade]

Toughness stacking was op as fuck

[delicate moat]

they said they DECREASED some specialists

[slow spade]

Idk why people even bother with wounds and hp back in Patch 14

When toughness was like near damage immunity

[terse idol]

I'm still a 1 wound enjoyer

😌

[slow spade]

Its less op as fuck now though

Still good

[delicate estuary]

just dont get hit htne you dont need toughness

[delicate moat]

today i met chad triple wound vet martyrdom enjoyer

[slow spade]

True, brb 3 stam curios time

[forest blaze]

That's me

I'm the triple wound vet

[spark arrow]

when you get a littlre more comfy id recommend against this. i feel much safer with double toughness/health or triple toughness than i did with 1 wound

[terse idol]

Tell that no extra HP when you get clipped by a tiny bit of fire

[inner imp]

ET, IW, COD, toughness DR eat good this patch

[languid escarp]

I took wounds in P14 since Vet is hella tanky anyway and I really don’t like the grey filter when you are down to last hp bar

[terse idol]

[inner imp]

[raw turtle]

anyone that understands about plasmagun, plasmagun charge rate optimal points... is this a good plasma?

[delicate estuary]

I hope we all understand that stacking toughness on the blessing slots on curios is multiplicative btw

[languid escarp]

Wait wuh

Wuh

[quaint valve]

yup good

[delicate moat]

gotta make space for the 10% more dockets perk

[terse idol]

You need gets hot

[inner imp]

unyielding perk, and brittleness blessing will do ya good soljah

[terse idol]

Unarmoured enemies is bad

[forest blaze]

It's a great plasma. Ideally, you'll want maxed stopping power and damage but it looks great.

You'll want gets hot as a blessing and some combination of +maniac/flak/carapace/unyielding on perks

[delicate estuary]

go compare the toughness difference when you equip 1 toughness curio with 3 toughness curios

[forest blaze]

+unarmored for plasma isn't great

[quaint valve]

oh yeah swap unarmored for flak/elite

[forest blaze]

Charge rate you want somewhere in the 60-71% mark IIRC

[raw turtle]

unnamored will let me one shot gunners with left click

but ok, unyielding seems better

[candid bridge]

73%

[forest blaze]

ty

[kind scarab]

Nah

[terse idol]

With Blaze you'll probably be able to reach 1 shot

[kind scarab]

Azreal actually did testing the other day. Charge rate doesn't effect left click damage anymore.

Go ham

[raw turtle]

73 is the best, close followed by 64, 80 i think... 63 is really good if i can remember... i dont have the table

[forest blaze]

oh really? they fixed it?

[terse idol]

On 2 shots

[raw turtle]

i think i have...

[tender bloom]

So I’m pretty relatively new but were the vet changes good or bad? I personally can’t tell too much of a difference other than the keystones but I primarily run melee voice of command anyway

[slow spade]

Shout -> instantly back to full

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[forest blaze]

YAY

[slow spade]

Hp is just bad sadly

[trim steppe]

repostin

[kind scarab]

Already been fixed

[raw turtle]

thats it

[kind scarab]

Doesn't apply to left click anymore

[inner imp]

-me staring at ogryns with 500+ hp-

[forest blaze]

this has been fixed

[gusty sonnet]

No, highest damage reduction you can get from charge speed is like 2%. Nothing in the grand scheme of things if you have a 75% plasma

[inner imp]

why r they so tanky

[trim steppe]

for real? when?

[spark arrow]

in terms of raw functionality no, not a nerf. in terms of build flexibility, yes, massive nerf

[raw turtle]

so mine at 63% is really good

[forest blaze]

@kind scarab just told me

[slow spade]

Because they have up to 80% damage resistance flat lmao

[normal spruce]

This is in my Melk's requisitorium should I get it?

[slow spade]

Vet only has TOUGHNESS damage resist

[fallen geyser]

I dont understand

[wanton dawn]

Well, am going to test it

[kind scarab]

For those who missed it

[forest blaze]

DD/MM/YYYY this guy

[slow spade]

Azreal is a Nurgle spy

[delicate estuary]

isnt psychanium a local host ?

as it is not affected by server ticks

[kind scarab]

Az and I spoke about it a few days ago and he tested every single % on the charge rate

[slow spade]

UwU

[trim steppe]

So all those 80 plasmas are actually da best now?

[candid bridge]

I’m too American to understand that format

[kind scarab]

For right click attack, yes

Since you just charge it faster

left click is now unaffected

[terse idol]

But you want what 73%

[slow spade]

Charge rate is dump stat now got it

[kind scarab]

^

Pretty much

[slow spade]

To be fair, makes it a lot clearer now what to aim for

[terse idol]

I mean you need like base 73 cause I'm assuming that'd make it play smoother?

[kind scarab]

Nah

[terse idol]

Lower and the charge is actually slower?

Oh

[trim steppe]

Damn nice I love this, I was sad to use ammo as the dump stat before

[normal spruce]

Sorry for asking again, how good is this? Should I get it? Not looking for the best, just something fun to use.

[kind scarab]

The 73% was for just making sure damage wouldn't suffer

Since left click damage was affected by it

(by like 5 base damage, which is nothing, but people are pedantic)

[fallen geyser]

Did i read somewhere that ET is fixed?

[kind scarab]

Yes

The new patch

[terse idol]

Check dah patch nootes

[fallen geyser]

\o/

[slow spade]

ET now instead reduces your toughness on weakspot hit UwU

[candid bridge]

Yeah it’s serviceable until something better. Change out falter for surgical and you’ll be fine

[delicate estuary]

surgical

on a mk1

hellbore

💀

[normal spruce]

Thanks

[trim steppe]

"When in unobtained status, the penances in the "Flawless Execution" chain will now display the current value being tracked instead of the best value ever achieved."
Glad they fixed this about 10 months after it bugged the shit outta me

[river escarp]

I hate the Vets rng on rewards

[terse idol]

You cant go wrong with surgical on an mk1 at least imo

[trim steppe]

I lost at a 14 streak and thereafter had no idea of my progress until it popped

[raw turtle]

i got this one that might be good now

[river escarp]

Plasma Rifles with 46% on dmg and shovels

[wanton dawn]

Can I even trust you guys with ANYTHING ?

[candid bridge]

We need a compendium like the ogryns have lol

[inner imp]

you can trust me to use all the ammo sah

[terse idol]

You should get flak

[quaint valve]

yep good, i would reroll unyielding to maniac myslef, but up to you

[terse idol]

Oh sorry

carapace

My braaiinnn

[raw turtle]

im training my aim with this one... hits as hard as plasma (almost)

[trim steppe]

I like unyeilding cuz it helps meet 2 shot breakpoint on reapers

also i never saw myself within a close breakpoint on maniacs that the damage perk would help meet

[fallen geyser]

I see a lot of people using the recon las now, there something i'm missing?

[trim steppe]

no its still bad lmao

[terse idol]

Its still mid iirc

[quaint valve]

yeah i tihnk yo can actually go +elite and it might still give you breakpoints across more units

[trim steppe]

I think I agree, haven't tested it thoroughly tho

[delicate estuary]

most specials are maniac

so maniac perk is still useful

even if you cant one shot ragers

[terse idol]

I thought maniac was ragers

Mutants

[candid bridge]

Elites help with gunners

[inner imp]

maniacs is specialists too

[trim steppe]

if you dont reach new breakpoints youre just giving yourself overkill damage

[delicate estuary]

maniac is dreg ragers, both flamers, trappers, mutants

[raw turtle]

ragers are elite

[terse idol]

Huh

[inner imp]

yeh, im saying some specialists are maniac

[delicate estuary]

go in the psychanium and check

most of the important specialists are maniacs

therefore maniac is still good

[inner imp]

maniac, flak is god combo for a reason

if ur trying to kill elites/specs

unless ur worried about the thiccest of bois ofc.

[quaint valve]

When i read +1 bleed on serrated blade it sounds meh, but after a couple of rounds it actually feels pretty impactful, at least on dclaw

[kind scarab]

We gonna need to ask Az what he did then. Cause it didn't do that for him

[inner imp]

let us stack 16 bleeds and runaway me fren.

[kind scarab]

There's gotta be some interaction we dunno about then that might cancel out the charge rate nonsense

[wanton dawn]

Here is another video of charge rate interaction with damage

I have no talent on this video

[trim steppe]

so plasma CR is still code soup?

[kind scarab]

Apparently yes

[wanton dawn]

I am just saying: pics or didnt happen

[kind scarab]

Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if between last update and this one, someone fixed it and then they broke it

[candid bridge]

🧑‍🚀 🧑‍🚀

[trim steppe]

Lol fr

[wanton dawn]

Also with the psy mod to test every setup, it is very easy to test now

[inner imp]

12/10 mod

[mortal horizon]

anyone got like a testing clip or example of the powersword 6 push atk combo on a crusher?

in the meat grinder is fine

just at work, cant log in to clip it myself, want to show my friend what i mean (new player, just hit 30, was asking why the ps6 i wanted to show him an example)

[midnight patrol]

Good god, exhilerating takedown with confirmed kill, and 33% more toughness reduction when in coherancy

[trim steppe]

which mod?

[midnight patrol]

As long as you're doing your job and headshotting shooters, you're pretty tanky

Even gunners can be dropped while they're shooting at you

[candid bridge]

I don’t have a clip, but have them watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggcSlbYWTn4

[trim steppe]

Glad to hear, I was thinking on patch day that vets might be in a decent spot defensively if ET wasn't still bugged. Excited to give it a whirl now

[quaint valve]

vet bot with heavy sword? since the patch been seeing this in lobbies

[trim steppe]

which mod is this?

[delicate estuary]

its a stealth zealot

[wanton dawn]

Here is an unoptimized example

[tight dragon]

what's the dump stats on rashads usually? considering gambling on this

[candid bridge]

Mobility

[strange fog]

is this worth 1700 melk buxx if i don't have a revolver already

[kind scarab]

fuck no

No perks/Blessings worth a damn on that

[candid bridge]

Well if you have an excessive amount of melkers then sure but otherwise pass

[strange fog]

hmmm alrighty thank you