veteran-class

[rain crane]

best dump stat on power sword?

[forest blaze]

Dump cleave targets IIRC

[mystic belfry]

You only need mobility around 50ish, and cleave targets isn't very important

[forest blaze]

And/or mobility

[frank ether]

cleave targets yea and you dont need perfect mobility

[rain crane]

gotcha

[frank ether]

but dont be the guy who runs %20 mobility

psword is slow enough as is

[hollow turtle]

Did quickplay, ended up getting tossed into those 2 zealots again. I didn't even wait for loadscreen to finish. I just Alt+F4

[mystic belfry]

You really really need damage, and cleave damage and finesse are both good, especially finesse

[forest blaze]

And get lots of stamina

[hardy comet]

joins lobby and judges how good someone is in a PvE game based on loadout

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kneading-cat-post-meme-fast-gif-26392346

[forest blaze]

Finesse is your bitch destroyer

[mystic belfry]

You can afford to sacrifice cleave damage a bit to, IF you run brutal momentum

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/kneading-cat-post-meme-fast-gif-26392346

[mystic belfry]

Shhhh, sleep

[delicate moat]

past experience with some stealth loner knife users can be traumatizing

[hollow turtle]

Nah. Just terrible experience with dual knife zealots. They're not bad in skill. They're actually very good. It's just not fun to be in that lobby.

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/kotique-cat-tongue-cat-lick-gif-20076599

[hardy comet]

again, its a PvE game

[hollow turtle]

Yeah. A game I want to have fun in.

[delicate moat]

if not fun, leaving good

[forest blaze]

100%. Get ready to play solo while the knife zealots leave your ass

[delicate moat]

1 knife zealot is okay

2 stealth knife zealots and the aggro on you

[forest blaze]

Yep

[hollow turtle]

Fact. It's actually a lobby of 3 zealots, but while in there, I saw two of them switch to knife and I was like, "No."

[mystic belfry]

A knife zealot that plays to support the team is great, I'd even take 2 or 3 if they were support me

But 19 out of 20 stealth builds just ditch you

[delicate moat]

fr

[mystic belfry]

Zealot and Vet boht

[forest blaze]

I ever trust knife zealots. I prepare to play solo as soon as I see them.

[sleek garden]

Lol if I want to be speedy I bring my chainaxe with rev it up

I just spam activate

[mystic belfry]

I would happily tank every single mob if I had three stealth guys wrecking house, no problem.

[forest blaze]

They typically don’t tho 😂

[mystic belfry]

But it's actually them being all dead or accross the map and me doing an unplanned true solo

[hollow turtle]

Lol I actually think the 3rd zealot was holding an evisc, so there was a good chance it was also a rev it up build

[delicate moat]

but more often that not it becomes a true solo lobby

[forest blaze]

They normally run ahead, get clapped, then bitch about you not being with them to res them with the 15 crushers

[mystic belfry]

If I wanted to play true solo, I'd just do that

[hollow turtle]

Or just they shit on you for being slow and unable to keep up, and you're there like, "e.e"

[forest blaze]

The trick is to take infiltrate so you can pass the aggro to your other teammate who doesn’t know he’s playing solo

[mystic belfry]

When they bitch about that?
I stop sprinting.

[delicate moat]

i need to practice barrel jumping more

[plucky agate]

there's always one or two randos trying to speed run a level not even killing anything expecting you to mop up before them

[forest blaze]

Always. Knife vets are those people.

[hollow turtle]

Not every zealot is toxic, but every single one that uses a knife and does speed runs? Absolute, 100% assumed toxic.

[mystic belfry]

During the beta there was one section where you could barrel jump ahead like half of the map

[forest blaze]

I don’t go out of my way to res them and I try to teabag whenever I get the chance.

[hollow turtle]

If i get the chance, I shoot the barrel at the edge they're next to

"Accident"

[forest blaze]

Lmfao

[delicate moat]

more often than not I can't even reach them in time

[gilded lynx]

I once was playing that investigation mission where you have to scan contagions with a REALLY bad team, near the end when we held out long enough I rev'ed my chainsword Rev it Up, ran like a mofo and ditched them when the metal doors opened because it was a long trek

[forest blaze]

Exactly. No sense trying when they’re 2 blocks away with 5 maulers. See ya on the respawn, idiot

[mystic belfry]

My favorite is when I'm running a support build and see multiple stealth builds

Fuck me then :v

[forest blaze]

Do that in more than once in AM and I’ll probably never revive you. I’ll just play as a 3 stack.

[hollow turtle]

Funniest part? If they fail their speed run? They're the first to leave any lobby.

[forest blaze]

Always

[delicate moat]

and stealth knife users feel like there's no inbetween

it's always the rush ahead downed instaquit, or the gigachad lvl 1000 god

[hollow turtle]

Lol I'm a stealth knife user for the mobility to get out of bad situation and not rely on my toughness too much.

But that's as a vet.

[forest blaze]

I take infil but normally it’s to do revives/objectives/damage boost. Using stealth to pass aggro is kids stuff.

[hollow turtle]

I use the low profile mainly as a pseudo time extension so I can take care of the hacks and still have time to run back to the team's defensive location.

[forest blaze]

Infil is perfect for game boy events. Drop a frag, pop stealth, hack away.

Zealot trolling the lobby? Lead the poxburster conga to him and go infil. Easy

[hollow turtle]

Lol never thought of that

[forest blaze]

It’s my toxic trait

[hollow turtle]

New goal

[forest blaze]

I don’t mind aggro passing to trolls.

8 ragers? All yours, buddy.

“Thanks for taking those hits while I shoot them with my plasma”

[sleek garden]

I used to use smoke grenades for this but it didn't seem to work right

I honestly can't tell if smokes work or not

[forest blaze]

Yah they still run towards where they saw you IIRC

[mystic belfry]

My favorite moment is when I'm solo holding an entire horde, and then die because my entire team left and I got smashed by the other half of the horde they didn't kill

[forest blaze]

So you can smoke the troll and dip, which is hilarious

[mystic belfry]

And you look while you're on the ground and they're like 200m away :v

[forest blaze]

The best

[mystic belfry]

Why do people just... leave mid horde?

"oh he's holding it, it's fine right?"

[delicate moat]

gotta go fast

[forest blaze]

I wish the center keystone let me shoot out of coherency teammates. Make this PVP

[gilded lynx]

Tunnel vision?

[sleek garden]

If I'm playing the infiltrate veteran it's usually because I ran out of stamina and am getting overwhelmed so I can run back to someone else

[forest blaze]

Nothing says to stay in coherency like getting hit in the back of the head with a plasma shot

[sleek garden]

It just has the bad side effect of making everyone look at my teammate instead

[mystic belfry]

I mean, I hold the horde coming from behind, and they just continue on.

[delicate moat]

everytime i see a rush zealot i always enjoy when they get disabled or pancaked

[mystic belfry]

I mean, even if they're rushing, if I can help I will

But if they die, skill issue I guess

[delicate moat]

[mystic belfry]

If you're going to rush, at least be able to solo

[forest blaze]

This is actually why I’m wanting to change to weapon spec with plas infil. I can solo more content while my brain dead zealots try to throw the game

[languid dune]

Power Sword gamers give me your preference? III or VI?

[forest blaze]

6

[mystic belfry]

6

[languid dune]

6 is more single target focused correct?

[mystic belfry]

3 is mildly better at hordes and 6 is massively better at single targets

And when I say mild, I mean mild

[frank ether]

more complicated and better if you can use it

[forest blaze]

PS6 with PC4 and you don’t worry about hordes anyways.

[keen sedge]

can i get opinions on my full veteran build

[forest blaze]

Drop the revive shout, focused fire, and redirect fire

[delicate moat]

revive shout is questionable

[frank ether]

its like every vet build ever except few things I wouldnt take

but you do you

[keen sedge]

I will say this: Revive shout has come in clutch a lot

[forest blaze]

Yah it does but you can save the point

[delicate moat]

have u considered why it comes in clutch a lot

[forest blaze]

Also. Take demolition expert

[frank ether]

if you spam shout a lot people will need a lot less reviving

[keen sedge]

the what?

[delicate moat]

having higher uptime on shout can help prevent some of these revive shout moments

[sharp ember]

not many comments about the talent tree, just need to eventually work towards replacing your columnus and toughness curios with higher rating ones

toughness goes up to 17%

[keen sedge]

people downed in middle of fight

[sly haven]

DUDE WTF

i just got booted from a game i was fucking carrying in

[delicate moat]

yeah, having higher shout uptime and frequency helps to mitigate that

[forest blaze]

Redirect fire you can drop entirely

[sly haven]

what the fucking fuck

[keen sedge]

ik i gotta replace my columnus because ahdron FUCKED ME

[forest blaze]

Focused fire is mid af. 3 extra stacks isn’t a huge difference in practice

[frank ether]

not worth a talent point

its one of those nothing burger things

[keen sedge]

i use it a lot of tanky enemies and bosses because it helps a LOT

[forest blaze]

You’ll get almost the exact same mileage with 5 stacks. Source: me using it in AM and comparing burn times on monstros

[keen sedge]

ill remove redirect, but what should i exchange it for?

[forest blaze]

Demolition expert for more Krak grenades

[frank ether]

you could take off two dead talents and pick precision strikes or deadshot depending on weapon

[forest blaze]

Whenever you have 2 Krak grenades, throw one 😂

[keen sedge]

really treating my savour like that with bad teams?

[forest blaze]

You can also go for agile engagement

[frank ether]

bads will always be bad even if you babysit em

agile would give you very consistent %25 damage

[serene bough]

precision strikes is a must pick

[frank ether]

you also get %10 melee damage

on the way to agile

[forest blaze]

Precision strikes isn’t that great on most weapons

[serene bough]

30% weakspot damage right at the top of the tree is always worth it

[frank ether]

not always

[serene bough]

like what

[forest blaze]

It’s +30% to the weak spot damage. So if you deal 50 damage extra on weak spot it adds 30% to that. It doesn’t add 30% to the total damage dealt on weak spot hit

[keen sedge]

wtf does agile do i cant find it

[flint garden]

25% dmg for your other wep for 5 sec after killing something

[frank ether]

precision is cool and all but rly overrated for most guns

[flint garden]

and its right under 10% melee dmg

[forest blaze]

10% melee is pog

[frank ether]

I take it anyways on ranged vet cause it helps with melee breakpoints too

[serene bough]

i dont see how this is bad

[frank ether]

cause its a tiny increase

[serene bough]

its not

[frank ether]

#veteran-class message

[vale ledge]

I used the plasma gun for the first time

Like legitimately used it for the first time

[frank ether]

67 damage difference on a helbore 3 full charge shot

[forest blaze]

There’s plenty of guns that +5% ranged damage will do more than +30% weak spot node

[keen sedge]

This is what I might choose with my extra point:
Twinned blast
Demolition team
+10 melee damage

[forest blaze]

Drop twinned blast for agile and you Gucci

[frank ether]

does going from 1316 damage to 1383 damage on a crusher sound anything like %30 to you?

[keen sedge]

i have 1 extra point, not 2, 1, i dont even have twinned equipped

[serene bough]

no

[umbral scaffold]

weakspot damage is only and exclusively for breakpoints

[serene bough]

so whats the math then

[forest blaze]

This damage doesn’t hit break points. That’s why you don’t path out of your way to it

[forest blaze]

I told you the math

[umbral scaffold]

the percentage applies to the bonus damage from it

if you deal 50 damage to the body and 100 to the head, that extra 50 is what the weakspot is applied to

[forest blaze]

Right here

[keen sedge]

Plus agile seems so meh in my opinion since I melee 60% of the time

[forest blaze]

It’s way better than you think

Like way better

[umbral scaffold]

so instead of 10% being 10 extra damage because the headshot deals 100

it's 5 because the bonus damage the headshot deals is 50

[hardy comet]

what is a good weapon for head hunter build, guessing lasgun with precision hit node?

[forest blaze]

^^

[frank ether]

I take it because deadshot is too much effort

and I have to go down somehow

[keen sedge]

ill also take off OIDDE for twinned blast and demolition team for funny booms

[forest blaze]

I use plas and deadshot doesn’t work on plas

[keen sedge]

and hope for a good team 🔥

[umbral scaffold]

I wish deadshot was an actual thing for plasma

[forest blaze]

My favorite strategy

[umbral scaffold]

Gets hot and deadshot would be hilarious

[forest blaze]

I know… but I also don’t mind. I don’t want to path there anyways

[umbral scaffold]

and also get people to right-click once in their lives

[delicate moat]

I regret talking shit about rushing stealth knife zealots

[keen sedge]

also what blessings should i be looking for on my columnus?

[frank ether]

it works on helbore but not rly worth the investment imo

its already a slow gun spends a lot of time in ads

[sharp ember]

dumdum is a must, huge damage increase just for shooting enemies

[forest blaze]

Lol what am I looking at?

[umbral scaffold]

dumdum enjoyers

zealot probably tagged the guy

[delicate moat]

zealot rushed the full room ahead, and proceeded to get downed

[serene bough]

this doesnt make sense to me

[umbral scaffold]

or that

[keen sedge]

i have a tier 2 dumdum will that work? or does it need to be higher

[forest blaze]

Classic

[frank ether]

dumdum is a good one

[sharp ember]

better than no dumdum

[delicate moat]

I can't even get through all the shooter crowds to reach them

[forest blaze]

Be sure to teabag him when you rescue him

[frank ether]

ofc

[serene bough]

If its doing 30% of weapsot damage increase to something like a helbore, how are you only getting a small 60 damage increase

[frank ether]

thats the numbers I verified in meat grinder damnation

[delicate moat]

I always forget I can block people so I never match with them again in quickplay

[frank ether]

maybe its because carapace is a lot of resistance

but 1300 something damage to carapace is still fucktons of damage

its not like I'm hitting it for 30

so I'd expect better scaling

[forest blaze]

Because the weak spot damage bonus itself is what gets increased.

Here’s the math:

Let’s say it’s a 1500 hit
Weak spot hit adds 300 damage
Precision strikes only adds 30% extra damage to the 300, not the 1500 or the total 1800. It adds 30.

[serene bough]

with vs without precision strikes

somethigns wrong with your math

[keen sedge]

So with columnus, I should use dumdum and what else?

[umbral scaffold]

I admit 60 damage is weird because the helbore has a nutty headshot

[forest blaze]

It’s gun dependent

[umbral scaffold]

this is graphically the way it works

weakspot affects the yellow damage exclusively

[serene bough]

okay but

[umbral scaffold]

something like carapace, unyielding, elites and whatnot affects red and yellow

[serene bough]

thats' a 700 damage difference

you're saying its like 30-60 damage on a helbore, or someone was

[umbral scaffold]

Not me, I dunno the numbers

I have one here, I'll check mine

[whole moon]

That's also the way critical and weak spot damage work if the red is Bodybox damage and the yellow is the crit/weak spot

[umbral scaffold]

But with the helbore, I could make the argument that if you had to shoot the reaper twice before and still need to do it after the weakspot buff, it did nothing for you

[frank ether]

precision

[umbral scaffold]

ideally you want these damage increases to push your shots to kill

[frank ether]

deadshot

[forest blaze]

Now precision

[serene bough]

300 damage difference

[frank ether]

thats %10

[forest blaze]

The point is that it’s more like a 12% damage buff instead of a 30%. So if you have ways to get more than than that without dipping there, you’re typically better off

It’s gun dependent, as well.

[frank ether]

the carapace test also had 10 stacks of marksman finesse increase

[serene bough]

12% between deadshot and precision

[frank ether]

crits hit way harder

I went out of my way to non crit

to demonstrate

if you can sustain deadshot on a weapon

there is no reason to take precision at all

[serene bough]

I mean

[frank ether]

this is why people run deadshot ciag and not precision

[serene bough]

i thought the point wasnt that precision strikes wasnt worth it

it clearly is

[frank ether]

deadshot also doesnt care about weakspots

cause crits

[serene bough]

deadshot is only good on certain weapons that dont fire fast

lest you struggle for stamina all game

[frank ether]

even on those weapons its a tiny increase

[forest blaze]

The point was that precision strikes isn’t good for many weapons if you’re not already going marksman.

[serene bough]

this is definitely closer to 30% increase

its not tiny

[frank ether]

over long distances shot its probably not adding as much damage as longshot does

[umbral scaffold]

Deadshot is great for weapon specialist, or rather wepspec is great for it

[serene bough]

like what guns, i just cant see where it isnt

[umbral scaffold]

Particularly the node that gives you stamina when swapping to melee

Revolver gets goated real fast with it

[midnight mortar]

Whether 30% is tiny or not is dependent on the weapon's base damage.

And since that's a Helbore being shown, well.

[serene bough]

well, i chose helbore bc the orginial argument was with helbore the increase is tiny

[frank ether]

I dont reproduce your results

[empty creek]

which 1 has the best stats

[forest blaze]

And, we were telling the dude that he doesn’t need to path out of his way for precision strikes because it’s not going to give him the returns he thought he was going to get

[serene bough]

grabbed another helbore

[frank ether]

can you take a video

[serene bough]

well ill defer to your judgement but i dont agree

[frank ether]

also talent tree

would help

[serene bough]

dont have video sharing but ill take a photo of talent tree

sec

[mystic belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[mystic belfry]

Top right

[serene bough]

1400dmg screenshot i took off 15% elite damage

[empty creek]

R U absolutely sure BC that mobility is kind-of dogshit

[serene bough]

i thought ogryns werent elites but that may be contributing reason

[midnight mortar]

Ogryns are elites.

[mystic belfry]

About 50 is good enough

[flint garden]

mobility is the dump stat

just need the dodges

[frank ether]

you have %15 elite damage on one screenshot and not on the other

[mystic belfry]

Ideally you want like 60ish, which gives you four dodges

idk the exact breakpoint for that

[empty creek]

mobility is not the dump stat 😢

the swords R already pretty bad in terms of dodges

[serene bough]

i see

[empty creek]

ill see if it works

[mystic belfry]

Just check the stat screen, see if your mobility is giving 3 or 4 dodges

[empty creek]

it’s got 4, we good

[hollow turtle]

The soldier meets the underhiver.

[mystic belfry]

That's all you need from it

[empty creek]

cool then

[frank ether]

%10 from precision is still not bad but its not worth giving up agile engagement for most weapons

[empty creek]

IG dodge distance doesn’t matter if i just dodge twice

[midnight mortar]

Maulers, Crushers, Reapers, and Bulwarks are all examples of elite enemies. They are already in the map and don't need to spawn in. Don't have an audio cue associated with their appearance.

[serene bough]

one thing i still don't understand

[mystic belfry]

It matters, but the bonus on mobiliy stat doesn't make that much difference

[zealous wyvern]

human meets human

emperor protects

[serene bough]

weakspot charge is 475

this is my lasgun

[mystic belfry]

Damage is you most important stat by far, for obvious reasons. Followed by Finesse for attack speed, crit chance, and also weakpoint crit damage

[empty creek]

i do a lot of weird movement shit abusing the dodge’s ability 2 throw U in random directions so it’s decently noticeable 2 me

[mystic belfry]

then cleave damage, then cleave targets, then mobility (unless it's only 3 dodges, then it's better to have than targets

[serene bough]

actually, my head is starting to hurt

this doesnt make sense at all

[mystic belfry]

Power sword just isn't a good weapon for curved dodges

[empty creek]

kinda seeing that yeah

[mystic belfry]

That's still true at 80% mobility

And it'll never touch the king of ice skating, the knife

[daring peak]

is this the bugged one

[mystic belfry]

That shit can let you do 180 degree curves around ogryns and s shapes through crowds

[empty creek]

the knife & the smaller fast autogun R a lot of fun in terms of dodges

[empty creek]

CSGO bhopping

[frank ether]

it may not be listing the fully charged values

[mystic belfry]

Not quite to that level

[empty creek]

surfing, not bhopping

[mystic belfry]

Not all that close to surfing, but you do shmoove

[frank ether]

its possible that it may be listing the starting damage for charge shot

Idk

I dont really pay attention to inspect stats

but I test on meatgrinder

[umbral scaffold]

I believe the executioner stance shotgun right tree experiment is failing, lads

[empty creek]

i wish surfing in this game was real but as soon as U start sliding, ur character does the falling animation & it can prevent shooting

[mystic belfry]

Which shotgun

[umbral scaffold]

Agri

[mystic belfry]

Slugs?

[umbral scaffold]

Yep

[mystic belfry]

You wan executioner stance + marksman + reload talents

[umbral scaffold]

It deals the damage, but it feels awkward and it's easy to magdump and spend two years reloading

[daring peak]

i think i remember hearing that 73% charge rate does extra damage or something

[charred scarab]

plasma chart is pinned

[serene bough]

point is nothing is adding up

[umbral scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1034298802905022494/caption-2-2.gif

[serene bough]

368 no elite dmg no precision strikes to 534 no elite dmg with precision strikes

[daring peak]

okay i remembered right, imma buy that thing

how important is stopping power really

[mystic belfry]

very

[daring peak]

also this is a year old, should it really still be pinned

[serene bough]

oh well, time to leave the meatgrinder

[daring peak]

what does it do, just stagger ight?

[sharp ember]

i've been thinking about how we need to draft a new weapon list

[umbral scaffold]

I elected for the sacrifice of the grenade regen to get always prepared

That way unless I'm reckless and don't do any kills with an empty weapon, I'll always have ammo to trigger tactical reload

[daring peak]

i dunno mate, grenade regen is kinda s tier

[umbral scaffold]

Because Fatshark "fixed" it and now it doesn't make the check per individual bullet like it used to

So reloading the shotgun from 0 means the entire reload is slow

While previously the first bullet would be slow and then it'd trigger tac reload

We can't have nice things

[sharp ember]

oh my god it doesn't check per shell cycle anymore

[umbral scaffold]

Same for the revolver

[frank ether]

yee

stealth nerf

lets go

[umbral scaffold]

Chonky Fish killed tac reload for the revolver with that too

[daring peak]

oh huh it's actually damage

[umbral scaffold]

My tree is so stretched the way it is that what I can sacrifice for always prepared is:

• confirmed kill
• out for blood
• grenade regen

or I can git gud and sacrifice none

[zealous wyvern]

that is a fix. if you want extra speed just reload on 1

[umbral scaffold]

but it's not like everyone is 100% calm with 7 specials, 12 shooters and 50 poxwalkers

[sharp ember]

oh yeah, it's important for scaling your damage effectiveness vs enemy health types

[whole moon]

Vets need their version of the Ogrynomicon

All classes do

[daring peak]

this one is probably better then

[mystic belfry]

🤔 Thinking about doing a power sword + las pistol build

[umbral scaffold]

What will I do without my breaching grenades

[fair jay]

Sounds like a slightly janky fix

[umbral scaffold]

Actually I need to check if the shredder bleed actually does something

[fair jay]

But the memory requirement sounds cool

[zealous wyvern]

tac reload means reloading before youre out

they fixed it

[mystic belfry]

ye

[fair jay]

Oic I misunderstood

[mystic belfry]

Reload speed effects special shells now

btw

[zealous wyvern]

revolver and shotgun were never meant to get tac reload speed without doing a tac reload

[umbral scaffold]

The whole meme of this build I'm doing is blasting in, pulling out the exec shotgun and wiping the floor with everything

[sharp ember]

that is a pretty nice one, would probably swap Volatile to Gets Hot

[mystic belfry]

Not sure why it didn't really occur to me before, but power sword push attack actually has decent cleave

[real sluice]

vetheads
what are the best blessings for lawbringer shotgun

[mystic belfry]

Fire frenzy and deathspitter

But I could see a world where you take scattershot and man-stopper

[sharp ember]

Flechette + Scattershot is nasty for blanketing crowds in bleed damage

[mystic belfry]

For the memes

[real sluice]

lawbringer shotgun...

[sharp ember]

lawbringer special shells have decent cleave in of themselves

[sharp epoch]

scattershot manstopper is the best build

[umbral scaffold]

I wonder when they'll fix scattershot too

Things are sometimes better when they don't work right

[tall torrent]

what’s broken with scattershot

[real sluice]

ok needed to be more specific
best combo of blessings for lawbringer shotgun that focuses on dealing stupid damage on weakspot hits from sniper distance

[umbral scaffold]

it doesn't need cleave, only potential cleave

[umbral scaffold]

that combo is called agripinaa

you can thank me later

[hazy notch]

What melee weapon would go best with a shock trooper/ Marksmen build

[umbral scaffold]

power sword tbh

power cycler gets funny cleave and the funny push combo

dumb weapon on its own, even more when you buff it

[sharp ember]

flechette can compensate for long range shots by just bleeding them out, but if you really want long range shotty you want agri shotgun

[real sluice]

why the agri

[mystic belfry]

... Why would you do that with lawbringer?

[sharp ember]

it has a slug shell special

[tall torrent]

Slug shot

[real sluice]

i want to turn a sniper into a shotgun

wait..
DID I FUCKING MIX THE TWO OF THOSE SHOTGUNS

[mystic belfry]

Well it's already a shotgun

[sharp ember]

and agri normal shells are the longest range and tightest group

...yes

OKAY FOR AGRI

[real sluice]

FUCK ME.

[sharp ember]

you want Fullbore + uhhh

No Respite?

[mystic belfry]

I'd take fire frenzy over no respite, but for long range damage there ya go

[real sluice]

i still fucking hate this current system of different classes on the same weapon type -.-

[mystic belfry]

why

[real sluice]

easy to mix them up

[sharp ember]

personally, I like Fullbore + Manstopper on agri shotgun

[mystic belfry]

If you say so :v

[sharp ember]

i run deadshot with shotguns

[mystic belfry]

Sure

[sharp ember]

funny to suddenly gain insane cleave on slug shells

[mystic belfry]

Unironically I was thinking about running a crit lawbringer for the memes

[velvet wraith]

class is alive and well (ps6/revolver)

[umbral scaffold]

Which reminds me

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t lawbringer have the tightest ADS spread

[umbral scaffold]

I still need to make a flechette kantrael

And for that I need flechette

[real sluice]

thanks hadron very cool, no good blessings as always and eating all my plasteel : ))))))))))))))))))))

[mystic belfry]

That's hadron

[whole moon]

She's a scamp

[sharp ember]

it should be agri, though lawbringer range is decent because of its mixture of damage and fair accuracy

[real sluice]

bitch is just asking for me to shove up all the weapons from the library into her, and fire them all at once

[tall torrent]

Saw this

[whole moon]

She's got the arsenal prosthetic installed. She can take it ALL

[mystic belfry]

Careful, stats effect that :v

[real sluice]

oh not my level of fucking abuse she wont.

[sharp ember]

interesting if true, i guess agri shells just have a consistently-shaped and smaller pellet count

[mystic belfry]

Agri shells are one projectile

[tall torrent]

Lawbringer technically gets to outclass agripinaa at midrange if you’re using regular shots

More pellets, very similar spread grouping, higher dmg, higher minimum pellet hit values

[mystic belfry]

Is markman's focus limited to one stack per shot?

[whole moon]

What's the Lawbringer special? I think I'm mixing it up w Agri

[sharp ember]

horizontal spread shell

[mystic belfry]

Duckbill

[whole moon]

Ty!

[rotund pasture]

what blessings do I want on a kantrael XII lasgun

[sharp ember]

i wouldn't count out agri having improved aimed weakspot damage

[west lantern]

Opinion: new focus tree keystones are still not that important. Thoughts?

[tall torrent]

that bit is true

[rotund pasture]

deadly accurate + headhunter?

[whole moon]

Deadly Accurate/ Headhunter

[rotund pasture]

ah yep

[mystic belfry]

Depends on your build.

[sharp ember]

perfectly fine to build without them, but specific builds incorporating them can be fun

[west lantern]

I can see it being important for a fully specialized damage shooter build.

But -- I'd rather split trees and get bonus versus elites, bosses, and ogres.

[shut vector]

focus is very good and fun when you are using high damage guns and need to hit one shot breakpoints

i've been running it with plasma

[whole moon]

Consider saving your builds on an external tool too. FS nuked talent builds before w no warning and it's bloody annoying

[midnight mortar]

Yes. Because you can only earn 1 stack per weakspot kill.

Oh actually

Hm

I never bothered testing collateral headshots.

[sharp ember]

huh didn't it say 3 stacks per kill

[midnight mortar]

You are correct.

I'm not awake enough for this.

[sharp ember]

regarding collateral headshots, they should work, I did a meme build with lawbringer shotgun and sometimes got max stacks from firing a spread shell at head level

(it wasnt that great)

[hollow turtle]

T4 stripped down blessing on recon gun worth buying off melk?

[sharp ember]

nay, recons too dependent on Headhunter + Dumdum/Infernus

[frank ether]

not worth standing still like a clown or to start shooting creep when you see a crusher to charge it up lmao

creep? I'm calling poxwalkers creep now

ok

brain melting

[hollow turtle]

creepers

[sharp ember]

dota player spotted

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/creeper-reaper-gif-21375221

I mean. Technically not wrong to call poxbursters creepers.

[midnight mortar]

Skippable. Only benefits a small handful of weapons in terms of fishing for critical hits to meet or surpass breakpoints they otherwise wouldn't be able to get. The fact it only boosts finesse power means your value out of it for standard situations is minimal.

The reload speed boost isn't even worth mentioning.

[frank ether]

rly hate it on helbore

which I stated like 500 times already

I think I need about.... 8 stacks? and then hit volley fire

to one shot crushers

pre-patch I used to have that ability regardless

like anytime hit F and you have 10 seconds to delete crusher

this is a massive nerf

[sharp ember]

i think keystones being skippable is a good thing anyway, i do think marksman keystone needs some retooling though

[frank ether]

they are skippable on any other class

they dont have a reason to skip it

[midnight mortar]

I mean, yeah it'd be worse if-

[frank ether]

because their keystones are actually very good

[midnight mortar]

Exactly.

Just because you're not forced to use a keystone doesn't mean it's a good thing that you can skip one.

No one should want to be skipping keystones.

The fact they're skippable means there is insufficient incentive to even spend your talent points that far down to reach them.

[frank ether]

oh but nooo I have a skill issue thats it

its just a game journalist moment dude

[mystic belfry]

No, it's not even that the keystones are easy to get

[midnight mortar]

As currently implemented, their benefit to particular weapons/playstyles is niche for veteran. This is partly due to their talent point tax and partly because of how weapon determinant a veteran's playstyle is.

[mystic belfry]

it's that they just do a thing while you play normally

[frank ether]

how do I not hit charge shots every 3 seconds and keep it up for the moment when a crusher shows up in my face over the course of a 30-45 minute game

[mystic belfry]

The only other maybe kinda sorta complicated to use keystone is the enhancement to psyker blitz

And that's just knowing if you have the buff or not

[white minnow]

EP is not hard at all to use

if we're comparing among psyker's keystones, it'd be disrupt destiny that would take the pick

[mystic belfry]

Yeah maybe

[sharp epoch]

disrupt destiny got fixed right

[white minnow]

yeah

marked enemies glow properly now

[sharp epoch]

demn gonna go gun psyker for real now

[mystic belfry]

But the main think is that you have to actively consider your keystone usage

Where other classes pretty much just play the game

[sharp epoch]

yeah FNP is literally 25% damage reduc and 25% toughness replenishment for one node

[white minnow]

i don't think that's a bad thing as long as they balance it around its ease of use

disrupt destiny gets some good and more conditional buffs in exchange for having a more precarious economy

[mystic belfry]

They aren't really

[white minnow]

numerical tweaks would be my solution at best

and I don't know how the tree will feel once they remove the bloat

[mystic belfry]

Honestly, I think if they cut down on like two lines of bloat the tree would feel massively better

[sharp epoch]

its gonna be the monkeys paw again, they gonna nerf veteran while removing bloat

[sharp ember]

feel no pain my beloved

Removed Iron Will to reduce talent tree bloat

[hollow turtle]

Damn it Hadron

I'm trying to replace my current IA and get a Deadly Accurate/Headhunter IA.

Think this one will do?

[mystic belfry]

Do that and see how it feels tbh

[hollow turtle]

Now that I think of it. Might not be a bad roll. Unarmoured is still the stupid ragers.

[atomic zephyr]

maniac is ragers no?

[mystic belfry]

yeah it's maniac

[hollow turtle]

Ah fuck.

Lol

[mystic belfry]

Just change your perks and wait for a better one later

[atomic zephyr]

unarmored is dreg gunners and uhhhh

idk probably at least one of the specialists

[mystic belfry]

Between the eyes is alright

it's uh, the yellow trash iirc

[hollow turtle]

This is the one I'm using currently.

[mystic belfry]

That's better

[hollow turtle]

It's good. I just really want to take advantage of the fact I'm good with headshots. (even though I'm not using the keystones)

[delicate moat]

[frank ether]

had an ogryn today that took like 1.6k damage and never got downed

while also outdamaging me

[delicate moat]

[mystic belfry]

That's an ogryn yes

[hearty panther]

i fukken love dd

[hollow turtle]

That's because he made sure you couldn't get a shot in. XD

[sharp epoch]

ogryn probably best class

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-18014317

[sharp epoch]

the only weakness is disablers

[sharp ember]

ogryn toughness recovery

[frank ether]

so why do I have to be a glass cannon again

[mystic belfry]

Ogryn is at the very least the easiest class

[frank ether]

if ogryn can take like 3 crusher overheads and shrug it off

while dealing similar damage

[sharp epoch]

its both the easiest and the strongest which is bad balancing

[hollow turtle]

Ogryn is good, but not the best at handling medium-long ranged units.

[frank ether]

terrible balancing

[delicate moat]

ogryn dishes out crusher overheads

[frank ether]

and VT brainrot players tell me FS doesnt balance on popularity

they absolutely do

they buff the fuck out of ogryn so its played more

[mystic belfry]

They don't

FS barely balances at all

[delicate moat]

[sharp epoch]

yeah but with the amount of DR he could soak 3 gunners firing at the same time while meleeing trash

[mystic belfry]

And when they do it's very slowly over time, and random

[gilded cobalt]

Hey, what blessings are best to get on the helbore laser muskets?

[frank ether]

they balance playrates not power levels

[mystic belfry]

The blessing where you sell it for scrap

(charge rate on spam is #1)

[gilded cobalt]

😦

[sharp ember]

Surgical + Onslaught

hands down

no other competitors

[gilded cobalt]

Makes sense, then you are just ads’ing and spamming charged shots

And clicking heads

[frank ether]

you hold your shield and all the gunners suffer brain damage and rush at you

[sharp epoch]

gunners dont rush but the shooters do

[mystic belfry]

The charge times while ADS counts for surgical btw

[gilded cobalt]

Oh heck yeah, that sounds awesome

[mystic belfry]

Run it with deadshot and you'll end up with a very high crit rate

[gilded cobalt]

At that point does the free shot on crit talent just let you fire forever?

[mystic belfry]

Dunno I don't run that really

[frank ether]

deadshot isnt so good on helbore

[sharp ember]

yeah

[frank ether]

you spend a lot of time fixed in ads charging shots

[sharp ember]

you basically have infinite ammo, not even with deadshot

[frank ether]

you're already naturally generating surgical stacks

[delicate moat]

hadron: what is ur favorite blessing on mg 1a and why is it efficiency

[mystic belfry]

Assuming your spamming max speed, you won' be at 100%, but you could skip it, sure

[hollow turtle]

Ogryns with shields are funny and effective. They do so well, but for some reason, they're also ironically the one who is blind to DH and have "Uh Ohs" around them the most.

[frank ether]

and you probably want the stamina cause you'll get tunnel vision and something will spawn behind you and force you to do a panic block/push

game only needs a momen to spawn a poxburster behind you

you dont want to be out of stam that moment

[mystic belfry]

I want to run shredder with p6 + las pistol but I can't afford it

[sharp ember]

i've been having a lot of fun with helbore's buffed bayonet, i've straight up been rushing down trappers to stab them before they net

too bad i'm not a krieger

[frank ether]

helbore 1 is the sweetspot rn I feel like

[stone birch]

helbore 3 is best.

[frank ether]

Its fast and it still kills most stuff in one hit

hb3 cant even one shot crushers anymore

unless you go marksman

[frank ether]

and then volley fire after charging marksman

also need to go all the way down middle tree to get %20 beast damage for it

[sharp ember]

they brought back The Bigger They Are but not the damage increase with it

[frank ether]

which means you get no grenade regen

[delicate moat]

mg 1a is probably currently the more useful one out of the lasguns right?

[stone birch]

not hard when the environment is so saturated in elites and specialists that 0-10 is maybe 3 seconds.

[midnight mortar]

All variants are useful.

If you prefer bodyshotting and spamming then the MGIa is perfectly fine.

[empty creek]

ive seen the light w/ PS6

[midnight mortar]

TTK is slightly slower than the XII, but not by any major amount.

[frank ether]

hb1 also gets the stabby bayonet instead of slash one

[empty creek]

U can almost completely skip the charge by going straight in2 that pushstab

[frank ether]

stab is good if an elite is in your face

[mystic belfry]

Building a better one atm tbh

[frank ether]

good stagger good damage

[mystic belfry]

Yeah, charge cancel is nice

[stone birch]

so is the slice, given the piles of ragers and mutants that I have left with the bayonet on hb3

[empty creek]

had no idea

[mystic belfry]

Don't forget you can follow up the push attack with a light

[dense comet]

been running a similar build with infil/combat blade/revolver which has been fun

[mystic belfry]

Light 4 is what it combos into, and it's strikedown

With at least power cycler level 3, you'll get charged attacks on both

[empty creek]

i ran a few missions & it felt pretty good, i miss the heavy sweeps of the 3 but the pushstab cancels R tight AF

[delicate moat]

I've exhausted all my luck on vet rolling this PS6, I can't roll a good mg 1a now

[dense comet]

Has smoke grenade got any bugs/issues/weaknesses with it? a few friends mentioned that its useless, even for its actual purpose

[celest vine]

Changed reload to maniac and respite to headhunter 4

Rating of 543

[desert hawk]

thats not a bad XII at all

I finally found rending 4 on revolver, while I was leveling psyker

so that's nice.

[sharp ember]

noice

[empty creek]

ive been using them & they do exactly as advertised

they stop ranged enemies besides snipers from firing @ U & sometimes even hordes stop in their tracks

they were pretty dogshit pre-patch though

[stone birch]

budget psychic shield.

[sharp ember]

it works correctly as intented, issue is that it's not enough. I have a list somewhere of what it does and doesn't do somewhere, one sec

[desert hawk]

It's more that krak and shredder have a more direct impact but also smoke only stops the small bois from shooting, it doesn't stop snipers and unless you were running a direct anti-armor option, krak is usually the best option

[empty creek]

smthng like that yeah

concealment instead of cover

it’s very handy in a pinch

[dense comet]

atm i'm using Krak, but on a Knife build focused around deleting anything a Krak cares about makes it feel redundant and I havent the points to path for frag

[stone birch]

it is; i've had smoke grenaders save runs when the gunners become dozens in number and I am not running my sharpshooter vet.

[desert hawk]

I've tried both in aurics and I find krak to just be better

[empty creek]

if ur using knife, definitely run smokes since it means U can run up behind MFs easily w/o ur invis ability

[delicate moat]

Here are its downsides:

• It can obscure vision to enemy ranged units and nearby melee units, this is especially problematic for snipers.
• It does not prevent gunners and reapers from shooting at your last known position inside the smoke.

[desert hawk]

cause you can lob a nade into a crusher pack and call it a day

[sharp ember]

• it's easier to see through smoke while standing inside
• shooters cannot see inside or through smoke, but they can still blindfire your last known position
• flamers and trappers cannot see, and they will run inside instead of shooting from max distance, good for killing them in melee, scab stalkers and shotgunners also do this due to close-range AI*
• snipers CAN see through it
• melee enemies are not affected at all

[frank ether]

its not good cleave

[empty creek]

@dense comet U can pretend U just hit a huge ugly doob & filled the streets w/ weedsmoke

[frank ether]

you're not killing piles of ragers with hb3 bayonet unless a psyker is babysitting with smite

maybe they hidden nerfed it again

but its not good

[dense comet]

Sounds like smoke does everything I want it to do, now if only I could spare points for grenade replenish

[empty creek]

HB1 & 2 have the better bayonet 💔

[stone birch]

i'm not using it to cleave, i;m using the bayonet as intended. Killing off the 1-3 things in front of me and returning to popping stuff. You can build up bodies from many instances in aggregate over time, and that is what I meant.

[delicate moat]

This build is viable in auric maelstrom

[empty creek]

the 1 & 2 bayonets can hit multiple enemies too now, ive been able 2 lock down doorways using it

[real sluice]

POV : whilist i was tweaking with my shotgun sniper build, someone decided to snort krak and somehow make weapon specialist work

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855805415270252544/1175442363867480064/Snapinsta.app_video_48793357_888836639320703_2813428594366452837_n.mp4?ex=656b3f02&is=6558ca02&hm=fdcadce855815609a4baa056d040354ef7232c85d42cfa2466e7b4b32dfac834&

[mystic belfry]

everything is viable on auric if you're good enough

[frank ether]

''piles of ragers and muties''

doesnt even kill piles of poxwalkers

[dense comet]

I direly tire of shout builds and thorough enjoy the quick reload from the far right keystone

[stone birch]

okay, you lack reading comprehension. Good to know.

[empty creek]

the bayonets work extremely well if ur melee vet, so

they feel like actual bayonets now instead of wet noodles

[atomic zephyr]

be me
shove poxburster
wall behind me, hit by burster
immediately also hit by sniper, downed
psyker goes to pick me up, also killed by sniper
run falls apart

sometimes it just be like that

[stone birch]

same, love the bayonets.

[empty creek]

the bayonet charging is also pretty cool, especially if Ur using that 1 perk that stacks a damage multiplier the longer U sprint

[delicate moat]

i love the bursters that insta spawns out of a door flying out and hits you without any warning

[empty creek]

shove flicks

[sharp ember]

i've pushed a poxburster, and a teammate with a boltgun shot behind the poxburster and the explosion sent it back forward again

[atomic zephyr]

oh yeah fr, but this wasnt one of those i was just a moron and didnt realize there was a wall behind me

[atomic zephyr]

[umbral scaffold]

its a hard knock life

[atomic zephyr]

now that's impressive

[stone birch]

ninja poxburster is my bane. a combination of spawning right next to me via an adjacent door, or just the sound bugging out until I hear the detonating beeps

[atomic zephyr]

i find ninja trapper to be worse

[dense comet]

trappers skipping their firing animation when dropping down off ledges

[stone birch]

more so on my ogryn than my vet. but the trappers are bad too

[delicate moat]

shock trooper gaunlet / auric maelstroms really obliterate the audio in this game

[atomic zephyr]

NO FUCKING WONDER

[shut vector]

was smoke actually buffed or is it still a net negative for the team and my pc's performance

[delicate moat]

people just tend to use smokes very poorly

when used well, smokes can be very helpful for your team

[shut vector]

does it stop snipers

[delicate moat]

no

[shut vector]

then its still shit

[atomic zephyr]

i need to get good at smoke, i have a feeling it would help my stealth vet a lot
i'd use shredder but the tax is stupid

[dense comet]

Snipers are too easy to quick pop to be a worry with smoke

[atomic zephyr]

yeah just shoot the sniper lol

[sharp ember]

they also see through smoke so

[stray storm]

What could I replace this with?

[delicate moat]

snipers should be relatively high priority

[frank ether]

you have mushroom for brain if you think this is good cleave

[shut vector]

it's a lot harder to shoot snipers when they get smoke cover from your vet

[frank ether]

maybe they stealth nerfed it, it didnt feel this bad

[stone birch]

i said nothing about cleave. you cant read.

[dense comet]

just ping for it/throw a shot at the laser

[stray storm]

Playing the last stage of The Carnival with 3 snipers feels like a duck hunt

[shut vector]

i am fully aware of how to kill snipers, thank you

[sharp ember]

i know the cleave is narrow because it's a single target animation, but i thought the cleave falloff was better than that

[frank ether]

seems they nerfed it

[gilded cobalt]

what should I change on this one?

[frank ether]

cant have shit as vet

[gilded cobalt]

no respite to surgical right?

[stone birch]

yes

[hot jewel]

Any recommendations on what to look for in a hellbore lasgun?

[sharp ember]

that and Specialists to Maniac/Unyielding

[shut vector]

no respite > surgical, specialist >maniac

[frank ether]

then you're still wrong because for killing ragers one by one hb1&2 is again better

[shut vector]

while we're asking for advice

[frank ether]

the poke bayonet is just better

[shut vector]

i am extremely hesitant to touch anything about this

[frank ether]

slice bayonet is both buggy, cant charge and does poor cleave

[stone birch]

yes, because the bayonet meant to clear out a couple trash mobs directly on you rather than having to do a melee switch is what makes or breaks the gun. totally. that was exactly what I was arguing this whole time and that was not a throw away statement on what I use bayonets for. And when I add context to what I meant by killing muties and ragers, you just ignore it outright. You seriously wasted 20 minutes of your life to disprove a statement i never made. Bravo, dumbass.

[golden axle]

General consensus about Decapitator as a blessing?

[frank ether]

how does any of your wall of text change HB1&2 stab bayonet being a straight upgrade?

you tell me I cant read yet you can't even get the discussion you're involving yourself in

[half wigeon]

Does anyonne have an exemple of what i Can use to play laspistols with no Keystones ?

[stone birch]

Nope, laspistols are weird and arcane weapons to me. They seem to work really well, but I do not understand exactly what makes them good aside from easy streams of headshots.

[whole moon]

Ive never specced my talent tree for the laspistol and it always seems to work still

[midnight patrol]

Laspistol works well enough with most talent builds

It's the blessings, stats and your marksmanship that really make it shine

[whole moon]

DumDum and Infernus is what I load on mine

[midnight patrol]

Which is kinda funny

[whole moon]

And my old joints need the Autofire mod which helps a lot. That thing refires so quick

[midnight patrol]

Laspistol fires incredibly fast mhmm

[keen sedge]

begging for a good team for once

[stone birch]

never happening

[midnight patrol]

Damnation pubs is a wild ride lol

You really gotta grab friends

[ruby totem]

You can safely get rid of Shattering Impact for something else. Probabaly Blaze Away

and if you really like Shattering Impact, well you can just get a T4 version of it anyways

Personally I'd also recommend switching Flak to Maniac, but that's just me. I'd test in the Meat Grinder to see how everything is sitting for you and where you want it to end up in that regard.

Great roll though!

[languid escarp]

ok for an Ogryn, Crusher is like a friggin ninja

there's barely any audio cues and they are friggin clad in black

[plucky agate]

Its a ironic that a normal sized trapper makes more noise walking than a Fully Plated Ogryn

[mystic belfry]

One thing I'm not a fan of with the right keyston

Is that the moved some attack speed to it

But like, I don't want to actually use the keystone enough to keep said attack speed up.

Even when I have it up, I don't wanna swap to to kill one thing when I'm mid horde just for the buff

[frank ether]

I figured it out

but I'm kinda on the fence about it

[junior needle]

Apparently applies to your ranged weapon

So it can be dummy

[mystic belfry]

The problem is that even with high cleave, most of your cleave turn into little to-no damage, and it's just crowd control

That's why brutal momentum can be so good on the right weapon, it bypasses the normal limit on how many mobs you can hurt/kill if you have enough damage to one-shot weakpoint

[cobalt wedge]

Which power sword is better btw?

For Horde clear

[mystic belfry]

6

[cobalt wedge]

Or in general

[mystic belfry]

3 is slightly better for horde clear, but not worth the trade off

[midnight mortar]

Both are comparable in my opinion.

[junior needle]

6 is considered better due to not needing heavies and the charged push attack doing dummy damage, but it also slows you while charging which I despise

[midnight mortar]

There are minor differences between the two such as the mk6 having a slow down during the energize animation if you aren't already blocking.

The mk6 clears hordes using its light 1 and 2 whereas the mk3 uses heavies.

Both have strong push attack damage that with the proper build/blessings/talents can two shot a crusher.

[cobalt wedge]

So, Rampage, Brutal Momentum, and what else are good power sword blessings btw?

[midnight mortar]

Power Cycler at tier 4.

[golden axle]

slaughterer is ok but PC4 mandatory

[midnight mortar]

I personally prefer BM and PC.

[ebon umbra]

carnival meta

[golden axle]

what am i looking at

[delicate moat]

killing monstro with door?

[mystic belfry]

Even just getting tier 3 cycler is a massive difference

[delicate moat]

they probably should patch door insta killing monstrosities lul

[frank ether]

so does bromentum

I figured out why my hb3 bayo got ''nerfed''

I took out my power sword with BM4

so no more drags

[junior needle]

Does it apply to the ranged attack of the weapon or just melee if it's a melee special?

[frank ether]

I've been playing PS for so long I automatically started to assume it was a base feature of hb3

[languid escarp]

why does Mark change the swinging animation of melee weapons? just swing the weapon however you want, are they stupid?

[frank ether]

just the melee bayonet

as long as you hit weakspots it cleaves through without losing damage

[junior needle]

Differentiate weapons so the obvious choice isn't always the one with the best stats

[languid escarp]

yeah but realistically speaking

[mystic belfry]

that's just how fatshark makes weapons, they do set combos

it just is what it is

[languid escarp]

can't you just swing melee weapons however you want

[frank ether]

its what it is I agree

gotta learn to live with it

[mystic belfry]

Obviously

[frank ether]

its even fun once you get used to it

makes balancing easier probably too

[mystic belfry]

Kinda

[junior needle]

Mhm, common game design concession to differentiate weaponry. Most games do the same thing.

[mystic belfry]

Kinda not

[delicate moat]

what we gotta give to emulate the power of a crusher overhead

[flint garden]

like most games have set combos on their weps

[mystic belfry]

Play ogryn

[frank ether]

play zealotgryn

[mystic belfry]

Or zealot with hammer

[delicate moat]

yeah but like two handed strikedown bonk

[mystic belfry]

Same answer

[ebon umbra]

yeah you can kill monstros p reliably with doors on carnival

[whole moon]

Ogryn hits hard but your on the money with the Thammer Zealot

[mystic belfry]

I refuse to abuse door closing

[ebon umbra]

more plasteel for me

[delicate moat]

this is my luck at rolling a mg 1a, I've seen way too many efficiency bricks

[frank ether]

why not

AI director doesnt shy away from spawning poxbursters in your face

[mystic belfry]

Using door closing is skill issue

[frank ether]

you gotta take what you can get

[delicate moat]

I'm a door main

[mystic belfry]

I have too much self respect to stoop to the directors level

Do you want me to go hang out with terrorists too

[ebon umbra]

what even

god forbidden doing something efficient. it doesnt even take much time

just stand in front of a door

close

[frank ether]

I respect that

[delicate moat]

same

[mystic belfry]

Same reason I didn't use the surge staff glitch

I'm not looking for a crutch

[delicate moat]

respectable

[frank ether]

I'll continue to respect you after you die to the 4 ninja poxbursters that spawned 10 meters behind you

[mystic belfry]

And that has to do with killing bosses with doors, how? 🤔

[frank ether]

rly tho fs why do they make no noise

[frank ether]

oh you mean for bosses specifically

[dusk idol]

i love turning around every now and then and seeing an enemy fucking claw its way out of the warp jus to fuck me

[mystic belfry]

Enemies sometimes being silent has been a glitch since the release of vermintide

[ebon umbra]

fartwalkers, the stealth variant

[frank ether]

I do it to manipulate AI pathing thats all

[mystic belfry]

yes, I mean killing things by closing a door on them

[ruby hull]

Audio que is probably dying under the increased spawns

[mystic belfry]

Closing and opening doors is a basic game mechanic lol

[placid portal]

Love doing that

[frank ether]

oh, that I do not do. I wasn't aware this was a thing lmao

[mystic belfry]

Closing doors on bosses to instant kill them is skill issue

[frank ether]

hilarious

but also borked

[ebon umbra]

we can't deny it is powerful though. it works

[placid portal]

So funny they fell from stubbing their toe

[ruby hull]

Sometimes

[ebon umbra]

but yeah if you can't make without then sure skill issue

[frank ether]

I think I'd understand it temporarily stunning bosses

but instakill is cheap

[mystic belfry]

indeed

[ruby hull]

I still think it's funny

[ebon umbra]

i never claimed the moral high ground lmao

[delicate moat]

it insta kills everything which i don't get

[frank ether]

funny physics

[delicate moat]

like why does it do that in the first place

[ebon umbra]

physics gaming

[delicate moat]

should squish the rush zealots too

[ruby hull]

The geometry gets angry and clips them through the kill barrier for an instant

[delicate moat]

I miss the weird angular acceleration that DRG has

the one that insta sends u to mach 5 if u stand on a weird geometry

[bitter turtle]

damn

[mystic belfry]

Using collision to kill enemies is a glitch basically as old as gaming

[bitter turtle]

vraks 7 is like a helbore that doesn't suck to play in pugs

https://i.gyazo.com/cdeed81356470ed0d00963019b387498.jpg

[ruby hull]

I love abusing that with rj250

[bitter turtle]

should have tried this earlier

[ruby hull]

It's certainly the psyker go to for snipers

[mental parcel]

did they add more shooters?

[frank ether]

yea, post rework its been great

[ruby hull]

Makes sense it works for vet too

[delicate moat]

wait did u cover ur own name up and then didn't cover random pub teammates name up

[mystic belfry]

No yellow name, so their's

[bitter turtle]

yes

fuck my teammates

[frank ether]

helbore I feel like

[mystic belfry]

Quick, dox their vet account

[bitter turtle]

they can be doxxed

:^)

[frank ether]

you really have to build for helbores you cant just throw them in every build

especially 3

[delicate moat]

understandable, have a great day

[mystic belfry]

Alternatively, just don't use helbores

[bitter turtle]

but yeah

[mystic belfry]

Not because they're bad, but because they feel awful

[bitter turtle]

its lik ea helbore

that i can hipfire all hte time

[ruby hull]

they just need to give helbore a sight that doesn't suck ass and make the equip animation not last the average lifespan of most hamsters

[bitter turtle]

if i need to

wow

such amazing

[frank ether]

they'd feel less awful if certain things were baseline to them

[mystic belfry]

Helbore should just be slower firing rate instead of the finnicky charging mechanic tbh

[delicate moat]

does vraks have a bit of penetration? does it go through ogryn?

[bitter turtle]

dont think so

[ruby hull]

I don't mind the charge rate honestly but the equip time just eats my soul

[frank ether]

remember my early brain melt about hb3 bayonet? hb3 bayonet sucks donkey balls but not if you use a brutal momentum melee, which somehow seems to work on its bayonet

[delicate moat]

[bitter turtle]

my vraks7 is very edgy
https://i.gyazo.com/e3855fcd67fc2661fcb0b2c0ff8edc79.jpg

also being able to stick a scope on it makes it like 10 times more fun

[frank ether]

[mystic belfry]

All gun melee's are ass besides specifically grenade gauntlet

all of them, they're at best a stagger

[ruby hull]

I want bayonet kills to stack weapon specialist ranged stacks

[delicate moat]

marksman focus should just work with melee weakpoint hits/kills

[bitter turtle]

oh yeah

i was using marksman focus with it too

honestly

it aint half bad

lmao

[mystic belfry]

it's quite good, honestly.

[bitter turtle]

easy to keep up stacks just by poking things in the head

i never felt like OMG I MUST STAND STILL meme

[mystic belfry]

It's just finnicky.

[delicate moat]

if u can hit headshots the stacks aren't difficult to keep up

[bitter turtle]

feels better than the mid tree keystone to me tbh

which felt like it just added a teensy bit of dps and nothing else that significant

and yes

[frank ether]

yea that would fix marksman for helbores and vraks would get some minor benefits too I guess

[mystic belfry]

I like the mid keystone for some thing, mainly toughness/stam regen

[bitter turtle]

fuck the damgae buff on my teammates

fuck em

[delicate moat]

fuck my teammates™️ more specifically

[bitter turtle]

exactly

[frank ether]

vraks melee can kill stuff btw

Idk if you ever noticed

if you hold the bash

it turns into an overhead

[mystic belfry]

This is the bit of the capstone that matters

[bitter turtle]

ya

[mystic belfry]

The damage on tag matters here and there, but that's the big part

The other two nodes are a waste of a talent

[forest blaze]

My trouble is that there are a few dead talents for plasma on the left tree. Not as many dead talents as the right tree, but still.

[ruby hull]

It would certainly make it viable with weapon specialist cause the helbore equip time eats most of the 5 seconds

[delicate moat]

oh the vet tree is full of dead talents

[frank ether]

do that, give baseline bromentum to helbore 3 bayo and I can die happy

I mean its not the end of the world

I guess

[mystic belfry]

They need to just do this

I genuinly think two more talent points would make a massive difference

[frank ether]

you can just

take ps6 with bromentum

only switch to it for big waves

use the bromentum bayonet drag for chaff

[delicate moat]

the bayonet stabby should work with the increased melee attack speed buffs

[bitter turtle]

I'd rather have born leader deleted over the 25 toughness on mid

[forest blaze]

BROMENTUM

[karmic musk]

The bayonets are broken on lower difficulties lmao one shotting everything

[delicate moat]

I'm kinda glad this game isn't like DRG which balances around hazard 4 not even its own highest official difficulty

[frank ether]

I could use power sword without revving it on lower difficulties

[mystic belfry]

Obviously. But they'll never do that.

[frank ether]

also

hb1-2 bayonet

3 shots ragers

its really good

its only the 3 that needs bromentum to shine

cause its made for slashing, except its not good at it baseline

[mystic belfry]

Still meh, just swap to melee :v

[delicate moat]

sometimes my weapons don't switch when i pressed button, is it packet loss / ping?

[frank ether]

also hb1-3 two shots mutie with stab

thats like

better than shovel

[delicate moat]

insane

[frank ether]

pretty damn good

hb1 especially such a sweetspot gun

its fast and it one shots most stuff

[forest blaze]

Plasma best.

[karmic musk]

We just need the draw animation on Helbore gone

[mystic belfry]

Decided to ditch capstone for ps6, and just take Demolition Team! and Bring it Down! instead

[frank ether]

plasma very good, has a bit of a bolter syndrome on some people though

[karmic musk]

And why not tbh, Plasma the hardest hitting gun in the 40k universe doesnt have a draw delay

[mystic belfry]

Bolter syndrome?

[frank ether]

shoot at chaff, run out of ammo 2 minutes into the mission

[forest blaze]

^^

[bitter turtle]

Btw

[forest blaze]

My favorite is seeing dudes fire back at shooters with plasma then run out of ammo