veteran-class

[bold sierra]

Vraks mk III headhunter my beloved

[karmic musk]

Columnus, Graia and Agripinaa are for IAG and BAG

[bold sierra]

I dont like braced autoguns

Theyre stinky

[low wadi]

i love the revolver on my zealot, hate it on my vet cuz its not braaced auto 😄

[gleaming turtle]

Me either, I don't care what anyone says.

[solemn niche]

they were nerfed patch 15

lowered rate of fire of vraks 3

[karmic musk]

IAG dumpsters BAG now

[bold sierra]

Revolver with ranged specialist feels like cheating

Which is fine btw

[gleaming turtle]

Vraks still rips, I ran the III and Columnus side by side in several games and honestly couldn't find any sort of significant difference beyond playstyle and preference. Oh, and player skill.

[vale ledge]

Hey is the penance "Make Every Shot Count" bugged or is my aim just shit?

[bold sierra]

Vraks mk3 is just really good

[bold sierra]

Both

Or neither

Idk blame the psyker

[vale ledge]

Seriously is the penance bugged

[brittle lagoon]

yesn't

[gleaming turtle]

Is that the 90% accuracy one?

[brittle lagoon]

yea

[vale ledge]

Yeah

[gleaming turtle]

Couldn't tell you, I did it last year

[vale ledge]

.-.

[bold sierra]

In all likelyhood hadron bricked it

Just like our weapons

[delicate moat]

was the 90% accuracy one 100% at some point?

[brittle lagoon]

yes

[vale ledge]

Jesus christ-

[delicate moat]

ah i did it back then...

[brittle lagoon]

same

[gleaming turtle]

It was really easy though

[brittle lagoon]

uhh patch notes say they did fix it

but idk if they actually did

so shrugs

[gleaming turtle]

Just do an assassin mission, don't shoot your gun the whole mission, use the revolver, shoot the target with one round, and done.

[delicate moat]

melee vet, simple as

[bold sierra]

[delicate moat]

misses

[gleaming turtle]

That is how we all did it, except for the guys who disconnected/reconnected.

[bold sierra]

[gleaming turtle]

It got fixed, but those dudes would use their guns the whole mission and then at the elevator before the target they would ask if they could disconnect/reconnect. Everyone would always say sure, and then do the same thing. Shoot the target once with like a Bolter and call it a day.

[brittle lagoon]

oh no...my darn internet is getting affected by the warp disconnects curse those darn heretics reconnects anyway

[gleaming turtle]

Reason why they would ask first is because it took so long to reconnect for some people that you could beat the target before they got back in.

And if you were doing Damnation you didn't want to just have 3 dudes

Unless one of them was a Psyker

[karmic musk]

Hard disk gamers

[gleaming turtle]

So he could one-shot or two-shot the target

[low wadi]

the power sword tho

[astral blade]

ya know whats funny i'm a vet playing on controller with mah pc but yet i'm keeping up with people using mnk

[gleaming turtle]

It's so funny how much easier Damnation was back then in retrospect.

[astral blade]

and psyker told me i am better than most vets he seen

[bold sierra]

Input device only makes so much difference

[gleaming turtle]

I want to find out how many Crushers I can kill with one push-attack after something I did today.

[bold sierra]

We aren't playing an mmorpg where you need 32 buttons

Its not like the extra buttons mnk offers are terribly useful

[gleaming turtle]

Ehhhh

[vagrant narwhal]

YUP

[gleaming turtle]

I got old videos of Damnation and you'd see like maybe ten dudes in a room, maybe two elites, a special might show up every few minutes

[vagrant narwhal]

I am just too used to mnk cant aim for shit with controller (not that mu aim is great anyways xd)

[strange grove]

They are. Dodge, special attack, and grenade are all mapped to thumb buttons

[astral blade]

i mean mnk players talk shit about controller players

[strange grove]

Controllers were developed for mario type games

[bold sierra]

Ok but thats 3 buttons that controller also has acccess to

[vagrant narwhal]

Its about as easy as play how you like it or feel more comfortable why the fuck does it matter XD

[astral blade]

so it feels good to know that i'm doing something right

[strange grove]

Congratz, controllers can't aim as quick as mnk, I've spectated many xbox players when I die, its laughable their aim

[delicate moat]

only shit players are the speedrun loners and ammo hoarders

[bold sierra]

Low sensitivity players

That isnt the controller

Thats the player

Believe it or not there is a difference

[wanton dawn]

I am PC player, making me highly sensitive

[spark arrow]

thoughts? im new to shovel

[astral blade]

nice thats my thoughts

[bold sierra]

Uncanny strike

I would trade out block efficiency

Carapace dmg is good paired with uncanny you can fuck up maulers with that combo

Meleeing crushers is a little awkward but similarly doable

The special attack makes it easier

[low wadi]

when is shovel good?

[bold sierra]

Wdym when

[low wadi]

for what

[bold sierra]

Hit enemy with shovel

[spark arrow]

its not PS levels of damage but so far it hordes well and its VERY safe

[bold sierra]

They die

Yeah power sword deals with ragers way easier

[astral blade]

just saying ain't nobody got time for aim assist

[low wadi]

how is it safe?

[bold sierra]

Block is better

Has special attack to interrupt ragers

[astral blade]

seriously dont even bother using aim assist on mah controller

[spark arrow]

you dodge way faster. and youre not wasting time energizing

[bold sierra]

That too

Power cycler being mandatory is kinda krigne

[spark arrow]

yea and shovel special feels like it stuns EVERYTHING

[low wadi]

ok

[vagrant narwhal]

So small shit gets staggered or killed and then you have two stats helping you survive

[wanton dawn]

#veteran-class message

[bold sierra]

Me when i hit the crusher with that dollar store push attack

[low wadi]

yeah i really like powersword

[bold sierra]

Shovel push followup is also pretty strong

Overhead bonk

[astral blade]

i'm more of a chainsword guy myself

[low wadi]

u can have my. i cant seem to get it to work

[gleaming turtle]

Been meaning to ask

[spark arrow]

im not saying DONT use PS6. its my favorite melee weapon. i just need something to mix it up with cus im getting bored

[gleaming turtle]

How do you crit so frequently? Is it really just Desperado, or am I missing something?

[vagrant narwhal]

They just feel weird sometimes

Like they aren't hitting stuff

[foggy terrace]

You are missing the good blessing

[spark arrow]

heavy once into horde to trigger savage then spam lights you shred everything

[gusty sonnet]

If we're being honest, PSword should get hit by a nerf or two

[vagrant narwhal]

Remove power cycler and done XD

Doesn't really need much else imo

[bold sierra]

no dont remove power cycler

pls

[vagrant narwhal]

Thunder hammer needs a buff

[bold sierra]

I like my swish zap swish

[vagrant narwhal]

Or whatever they were called

[spark arrow]

they just reverted a nerf to it. i think they want people hunting for power cycler at a dev level. power cycler used to give 5 attacks and it got nerfed to 3

[astral blade]

yikes and here i thought my chainsword was bad 😉

[vagrant narwhal]

Just suggesting a nerf :)

[spark arrow]

people dont realize this is the TAME version of what PS used to be

[bold sierra]

lol yeah

when the sword is power

[vagrant narwhal]

Oh i do that's why i don't care much about it XD

[wanton dawn]

crit on dodge talent

soz

[gleaming turtle]

PS isn't the problem. The problem is that other weapons are just flat out bad (chain axe) and have been for a very long time, and simultaneously FatShark has leaned into hordes BIG TIME with the current state of the game, and so it's natural that the PS became the meta. Because, yeah, sure, it can do great single target too but other weapons can as well without having to bother with a bunch of crap.

[wanton dawn]

am in game

[vagrant narwhal]

Like arguably i am pretty sure many weapons would be much stronger

[astral blade]

just saying yes that is a chainsword just modified slighty

[low wadi]

i think if i showed people here my build they would get triggerd

[vagrant narwhal]

Bolters, chainswords, power weapons in general

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

[umbral scaffold]

Rather they buff other melee weapons than nerf psword* tbh

*too heavily

[vagrant narwhal]

Yeah there is somewhat little place for single target melee, only zealots can really afford such things XD

[remote nebula]

MK III power sword is my clutch for anything that's too swarming about and spread out to be dealt with with a plasma gun

[gleaming turtle]

Exactly

[umbral scaffold]

Shouldnt feel Im like tickling the enemies with my chainsword on Damnation

[remote nebula]

if I run MK III power sword, focus target, krak grenades, plasma gun, voice of command and crit I have an answer to pretty much everything on my vet

[gleaming turtle]

Back in ye olde tymes quite a few regular axes absolutely dunked on the PS simply because there was less crap to fight and they didn't need to bother with charging up.

[vagrant narwhal]

I wish they changed how they feel. Cuz it feels like they slide off targets kinda rather than hack and slash or hack and rip and tear,

[vagrant narwhal]

Yeah

Back on the day stuff like the antanax mk 5 was some of the best

Could deal with the groups fairly well and then fucked up anything else

[hollow turtle]

Triple Xbox team. 🤔 Place your bets now.

[delicate estuary]

just carry them

[gusty sonnet]

Thicken goes down first

[astral blade]

oi i'm xbox pc but yet i can hold my own

[vagrant narwhal]

Ophelia is bad others will be fine prob

[astral blade]

no lies here fella

[timid otter]

The psyker will spam assail and wake the daemonhost

[delicate moat]

[gusty sonnet]

Is this an NA thing? I dont see Xboxers in EU

[gleaming turtle]

I just can't wrap my mind around how things are balanced by FS. It feels so opaque and arbitrary at times. And I don't just mean Vet. Like, look at the Ogryn. They nerfed the Ripper, why exactly? It was never really in contention at any point for being the best Ogryn ranged weapon, let alone overpowered. They nerfed the GG but kept the Rumbler and Kickback (functionally) untouched? It hurts my head.

[vale ledge]

Hey does the upgraded frag grenade work for the "No Bounce get 5 kill" penance?

Or do I gotta use the unupgraded one?

[gleaming turtle]

It works

[vale ledge]

Sweet my lifes more bareable

[timid otter]

Did you not try the ripper with gunlugger ult?

[vagrant narwhal]

Yeah they do odd things

[vale ledge]

Also I FINALLY GOT THE 90% ACCURACY PENANCE

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[astral blade]

Told ya I’m not lying

[delicate estuary]

just ignore the console shamers

[vagrant narwhal]

Nice i got the tis just a wound yesterday

[midnight patrol]

I've been really liking the laspistol on my Vet

I get to use a laser weapon that does best in CQB finally

But enough finesse to be a decent headshot machine

[astral blade]

btw waiting for the parts to build mah tower hence the laptop

[elder vessel]

Too bad the frag TICKLES people rn

[spark arrow]

congrats man! thats a tough one

[bold sierra]

swaggin

[gusty sonnet]

laspistol doesnt even need headshots lol

[elder vessel]

At least let it kill gunners

[vale ledge]

Ehh Ill just go on like Sedation for that one

I GOT THE WORST ONE OUTTA THE WAY

[elder vessel]

Good luck finding enough enemies on sedition

[gleaming turtle]

It was never the meta, the meta for the Ogryn has always been (since the tree change) the Skullbreaker path because of the horrifying damage it does and inability to die. The Ripper is playing second fiddle to anyone else who has decent range, and even before that the most useful ranged weapon the Ogryn had in his kit was the GG due to sniping elites and specials. Ever since the changes, the GG sorta is superfluous, and yeah, it did good melee damage but the shield does better lmao.

[vale ledge]

Actually better idea. . .

[gusty sonnet]

Does it on malice ?

Sucks to go to mali for a penance but how well...

[elder vessel]

Heresys what i usually play at these days

[midnight patrol]

Its very ammo efficient if you do though!

[timid otter]

It literary killed everything if you kept feeding it ammo...

[low wadi]

what perks for mk v?

[remote nebula]

I didn't see the rippergun nerf, but it can 2shot snipers at like 60 meters so it's pretty good xD

[astral blade]

so to all those people who think i'm lying let me tell you something you can suck mah nuts because i'm a pc xbox player

[midnight patrol]

Most normal shooters that like to hang around the room drop to one noggin shot

[hollow turtle]

In regards to the triple xbox team. We lost.

[delicate estuary]

didnt carry hard enough

[gleaming turtle]

They nerfed how much ammo it has by a significant amount in Patch 13.

[hollow turtle]

I failed them.

[astral blade]

you should've had me there with you my guy

[remote nebula]

.. ah, I didn't play for ages before Patch 13 so I didn't even realize xD

[midnight patrol]

Also why are we pooping on console players again?

Is it because they can't shoot for shit with a controller or?

[gleaming turtle]

And? The Revolver can kill anything if it has ammo, so can the Plasma.

[elder vessel]

Because unlike we who have been playing for a year, they are fresh out the gates and still learning

[jolly birch]

Wait they made the 100% accuracy penance a 90% accuracy penance now?

[elder vessel]

Ye

[astral blade]

controller player here and its because newer players so on

[hollow turtle]

Either of those blessings worth spending melk for?

[timid otter]

Ok ill rephrase it killed everything in an absurd amount of time where the major target was groups of elites.

[midnight patrol]

Ahhh right

So just a bunch of new folk

[timid otter]

It was like the old bolter

[midnight patrol]

Admittedly I've come across some very.. Special rejects of late yeah.

[jolly birch]

That penance drove me goddamn insane back when i did it, only penance i ever had to full on cheese with an exploit

[midnight patrol]

It gets wild in the SEA servers

[elder vessel]

Still does

[astral blade]

correct myself was part of the patch 13 babies/rejects

[midnight patrol]

Wouldn't the Kickback do that too with much better ammo efficiency now?

[timid otter]

Doubt it can in the same timeframe

Just doesnt have the magazine

[stark terrace]

kickback with surgical does magic. you can almost snipe snipers with it

[solemn niche]

why bloodletter ? do you have a bleed build |?

[midnight patrol]

I could never like the Ripper type shotguns

Especially now

So often am just hunting for ammo like a Crack addict

Meanwhile Kickback and Gorgo stubber I can vibe for the most part

[astral blade]

simple answer no longer answer i use the bloodletter on crap like ogryns, mutants, boss enemies so on

mostly for the DOT damage that bloodletter gives

so its mostly there as "back up" damage incase i can't kill

[vagrant narwhal]

Bleed is nice

Fucks shit uo

Didn't they nerf it tho?

[small mauve]

perfection... oh wait ._.

[stark terrace]

which blessing or perk would make that weapon an instant "outta here thrash!"?

[junior needle]

You used to be able to do so, but the minimum pellet count was nerfed this patch. I hear you can't hit long range one shots even with unarmored 25 now.

[delicate estuary]

no but what you can do

is troll your vets trying to shoot said sniper

by staggering said sniper into the ground

[astral blade]

@vagrant narwhal yes they did nerf bleed

but as you can see these fuckers still get taken down quickly

[vagrant narwhal]

Man is aight you won't be that bothered by it probably xd

[vagrant narwhal]

Yeah

[viscid marlin]

man the ai director is on crack right now

[serene sage]

the amount of ragers

is stupid

[pure chasm]

high intensity damnation on the new map goes crazy

[serene sage]

FS was like we increased HP but nerf the number so the fights are more manageable with melee

then they adjusted the AI this patch and forgot they already buffed ragers xD

tbf, i dont hate it, but it is a ridiculous amount

[viscid marlin]

dude i just needed the weekly no death runs so i went into a tier three, a tier THREE, and had back to back netters, ragers, flamers, bursters, and hounds as if i was in malestrom. the fuck is going on.

[spark arrow]

is there consensus on best plasma blessings. is it gets hot/shattering or gets hot/blaze?

[pure chasm]

played high intensity engagement zone carnival with friends earlier and saw 1001.5k dmg on the scoreboard mod for the first time in my life

[serene sage]

not even shock troop?

[pure chasm]

it was engagement zone haha

[serene sage]

that's crazy, i think average end game for me is like 500-600k

700 on a good match

[astral blade]

a very wise ogryn this was

[viscid marlin]

i think highest ive ever gotten was 800 but that was like, when it was only me left alive for half the mission

[wanton dawn]

My highest is smth like 1.1m on a 35 min game ?

[serene sage]

yeah haven't had my 1M game yet

maybe if I spam enough Kickback Ogryn

[wanton dawn]

Could have gotten a 1m this patch if it werent for a crash

Average damage this patch seems higher though

[serene sage]

but that feels like cheating, i can do 700k+ easily and I don't feel like I'm playing any better than if I was on vet

[astral blade]

no not a wise ogryn?

[pure chasm]

yeah i blame the spawns lmfao

[serene sage]

Ogryns are either top damage and carry everything

or die constantly and blocking shot

probably the most polarizing class

[astral blade]

normally the second one

[solemn niche]

you can with unarmoed 25% + specialist 10%

[solemn niche]

i can do 1m, just spam plasmagun on poxwalker horde

ez

also 800k overkill

[low wadi]

what blessings for columnus mk 4?

fire frenzy deathspitter?

[junior needle]

Yuck, giving up way too much damage + one shot breakpoints on the vast majority of targets for that

[patent slate]

What does finesse power do

[junior needle]

crit/weakspot damage

Applies to both

[sharp ember]

pretty noice on guns that are good at both

[patent slate]

So If I had 40% finesse power I would be doing 40% more damage

Basically

[sharp ember]

the calculation is different from that

[vague hull]

finally, a good blessing popped at the shop, i got something half decent now

[sharp ember]

in a bad way

it increases the amount you get compared to a normal shot

[junior needle]

It very likely only applies like regular crit/weakspot damage, in that it only affects the crit/weakspot damage and not the whole hit

So if you do 100 damage normal, and 110 on a crit, it only applies to that extra 10

[patent slate]

So finesse power = more critical hit damage

[sharp ember]

so if you do 100 normal and 140 weakspot damage, it increases the 40 damage difference

[junior needle]

And headshot

[sharp ember]

the double explainer

[junior needle]

hivemind

[patent slate]

Hold on let me get this straight

[junior needle]

Crit/weakspot damage works in a stupid way in this game, yes

[patent slate]

So if I had 40% finesse power I would do 140 critical + 40% of 140

[wanton dawn]

No, if you do 100 base plus 40 critical, you would do +40% of 40

[patent slate]

So I would in term be doing like 190 critical damage

That's

Garbage

Marksman focus sucks

💀

[sharp ember]

you need a gun that has really big crit damage and/or weakspot damage

[wanton dawn]

not plasma for instance 😄

[patent slate]

I've seen a guy run marksman with the column mk5

[sharp ember]

infantry autoguns deal good headshot damage, they benefit well

[patent slate]

It shredded through things but ate a shit ton of ammo

[sharp ember]

and they're good guns in general too

[patent slate]

I'm thinking of using the helbore lasguns or column

I'm giving marksman another chance

[junior needle]

Then you have some guns that do shit damage in general, and then have a shit headshot modifier

[solemn niche]

also known as shit guns

[patent slate]

And I think it's saveable cause it can stack with any kill

[junior needle]

Also known as recons

[sharp ember]

and some guns hit too hard to actually get useful value out of marksman on anything but bosses, so mind that

[junior needle]

You don't have to use a keystone, I don't

[solemn niche]

vraks7 can oneshot reapers on a headshot if you stack enough headshot damage

and they have like 250 base damage lol

[patent slate]

Helbore lasguns still hit hard and column too wdym

[sharp ember]

he's talking about recon lasguns

[patent slate]

O

[sharp ember]

poor recons

[patent slate]

So marksman is good with column?

I don't want to waste resources just for it to be shitc

[junior needle]

They (IAG's) have huge weakspot mod, but you need to actually hit heads to get value from it

If you don't hit heads consistently, you may be served better elsewhere

[patent slate]

I mean I can just aim at a horde and aim above the shoulders

And I should be fine

[junior needle]

Just don't shoot into melee chaffe if you can avoid doing so

[patent slate]

Plus I can farm stacks using poxwalkers

[astral blade]

is this tree good or bad?

[vague hull]

thicc

all squashed up

[devout atlas]

Drop competitive urge

imma redo this for u rq

[astral blade]

why drop comp urge those?

[patent slate]

Is fire frenzy and dumdum good combos for the column

[devout atlas]

lmao

[devout atlas]

ye

[astral blade]

thats a serious question

[patent slate]

What 2 perks should i go for for any autogun

Cause I've been going for maniac and unyielding my whole life

[astral blade]

need a damn good reason for me to drop comp urge

[solemn niche]

i asked nicely :3

[patent slate]

It sounds good on paper

But it's not

Trust

Instead get the final keystone which I forgot the name of

[astral blade]

that final keystone only restores stam and toughness rather useless to someone like myself but i'll take it under advisement

[devout atlas]

what I would go for personally

[devout atlas]

Quite possibly one of the worst talents Veteran has

[astral blade]

what cause of that 2.5% proc rate?

[devout atlas]

so everytime one of your teammates kills an enemy you have a 1 in 40 chance of getting an 8 second buff that you may or may not get a use out of.

[astral blade]

also my guy take down is bugged to all high hell

[patent slate]

Is confirmed kil broken

[astral blade]

confirmed kill works

[patent slate]

Or isit exhilarating take down

One of them dosnt work

[astral blade]

its takedown thats bugged

[devout atlas]

compare that to nodes you've missed out on by taking it like:
5% ranged damage
up to 20% ranged damage based on distance from enemy
5% crit chance on dodge, up to 25% for 8 seconds

even if takedown doesn't work you still have two far better nodes

drop one node from keystone and you can reach 5% damage and 30% weakpoint damage

I'll take literally anything over Competitive Urge that possibly makes a difference once every 5 games

[astral blade]

ok now i'm defs not interested in listening to this dribble

y'all have a good one

[devout atlas]

you don't need a math degree to see how shit Competitive Urge is mate

go record a damnation game and rewatch it staring at your buff bar to see if Competitive Urge literally ever shows up

and if it does lmk if it made a difference

I guarantee it won't

[sturdy crow]

Competitive urge when you can just take 20% Ogryn and boss damage instead? What's going on??

[wanton dawn]

He takes both

[shrewd sierra]

Why would you want permanent 30% weak-spot dmg when you can have a tiny chance to proc a miniscule buff instead?

[devout atlas]

he took both lmfao

[sturdy crow]

Oh noo

[devout atlas]

even 5% ranged damage is better than comp urge

shit man I'd take 20% sprint cost reduction over it

[sturdy crow]

Looking at the tree now, why go for field improv?

[snow tree]

i havent played in like 6 months....how do i use the new perk system and is the bolter + combat knife still viable

[sturdy crow]

Also no toughness regen on tagging, come on

[fading imp]

i always take field improv now

[devout atlas]

I removed that in my rework too although I forgot Long Shot is bugged because how the fuck am I supposed to know when Fatshark doesn't

[bold sierra]

competitive urge should last at least 20 sec for what it gives

💀

it does not last 20 sec

[sturdy crow]

Since I realized the bonus is both not that strong and actually terrible if anyone picks up a grim I refuse to use it

[devout atlas]

Comp Urge should proc when your teammates kill an x number of enemies, last 10 secs with a 30 sec cooldown or something that's actually physically predictable

[bold sierra]

that too

[urban axle]

is the krieg stuff gone

[devout atlas]

slot machine mechanics in our skill tree lmfao

[bold sierra]

or it could be like 60% chance to activate on specialist/elite kill, can be refreshed, lasts 8s

also make damage bonus like 30%

something that isn't what it is rn to be sure

[sturdy crow]

It would be fun if it was still random and had a short duration but was REALLY strong

[devout atlas]

or simply make it "when a teammate kills an enemy you tagged get a buff for x seconds with x cooldown"

[fading imp]

fast cleansing corruption is pretty good , probably more influential for quickplay warriors though

[devout atlas]

which actually makes sense thematically too

[bold sierra]

that would make sense + synergy with focus target

[sturdy crow]

Running field improv in a grim mission means your teammates will eat up the healing by cleansing corruption that will immediately grow back

[bold sierra]

Just dont pick up grimoires

💀

if you are picking up grimoires

stop

[sturdy crow]

I never do

But I'm not all people!

[bold sierra]

true

actually in that case

[fading imp]

the number of times ive seen grims picked up in quickplay is very low

[sturdy crow]

So I just never run the talent even if it might sometimes be kind of good

[bold sierra]

pick up grimoires so you can immediately yeet them

[fading imp]

but yea, it does eat your medkit

[bold sierra]

better yet just remove grimoires from the game

[sturdy crow]

Regenerating grenades is just too good

[bold sierra]

or make their bonus for completion 10x what it is now

cause like

💀

[fading imp]

i take both

[bold sierra]

this is a certified krak grenade moment

[nimble sentinel]

I think I am ready to give up on keystones, new lasgun build time

[fading imp]

onslaught and reciprocity on the right side feel very hard to give up for me

[tardy vigil]

Also giving up CK there at the top, not much for tgen

[astral blade]

ya know the amount of shit you guys were just giving me is pretty funny considering the fact with the amount of enemies you have to kill comp urge procs quite frequently

[sturdy crow]

Think I'm gonna go with this for my laspistol

[nimble sentinel]

I feel that, though the way I play this works best. Big boys that take more than a few lasgun shots get a krak anyway

[sturdy crow]

I'd really want to get free ammo on crits but can't work it into the tree

Maybe take out target down and charismatic for it but not sure if worth it

[astral blade]

so all i gotta say is my build isnt a selfish build like allot of other vets out there

[nimble sentinel]

this is totes experimental but I shoot in hordes (heretical I know) so I feel I'll get more out of Out for Blood. I can always scream when I really need the toughness

[umbral scaffold]

I used to run volley fire with plasma but I figured I do enough damage to go without it (I do)

The supportiest support build to ever support while still having actual damage to go with it by virtue of plasma being acually good now

[sturdy crow]

It's better support to put that point into something good so you can kill things faster.

[umbral scaffold]

Feels so good to just give the squad constant buffs with VoC and tagging now

[sturdy crow]

I have reliable sources telling me that dead enemies don't deal any damage

[tardy vigil]

Fair. Atleast its an easy swap from OoB once ET is fixed

[nimble sentinel]

aight you might have a point lol

[junior needle]

The top of that build

[nimble sentinel]

yarp I overestimated how much toughness Out for Blood can squeeze out

amendment

[sharp ember]

out for blood seemed buffed but since we have less toughness in general now it probably rewards us the same

i wonder what our highest possible toughness is

if you make a frankenbuild with every toughness node

[tardy vigil]

197 iirc

Or around there

[sharp ember]

wow! almost original vet

[solemn niche]

i have 3x 21% and i reach 269

319 with voice of command overthoughness

[sharp ember]

that's more like it

[junior needle]

21% toughness curios you say?

[solemn niche]

16% base +5 or 17% base +4

[old quail]

out for blood works on everything that gives u kill credit which is funny

[junior needle]

Oh I see, its with the added toughness thing

[tardy vigil]

Must have been misremembering my numbers then. Remember making the switch from all T to all HP because i was getting substantially more out of the hp curios than t

[astral blade]

you mean to tell me that my killing potential isn't good enough already?

if this is the case you lot are jokers

[junior needle]

Only 582 dps to that flak rager? Pfft

Definitely not enough

[astral blade]

missed a shot on the flak rager my guy

also thought i killed him

[astral blade]

ahhh ok trolling really

[junior needle]

So sad that steve jobs died of ligma

[dim citrus]

I got a bug that prevented me from using my Executionar's Stance

[nimble sentinel]

who the hell is steve jobs

[dim citrus]

Only fixed itself when I died and was brought back

This happened in an Hi-Intensity Hunting Grounds

Not the best place to lose access to your ult

[astral blade]

i know what my build is able to do and there the proof

[junior needle]

Ligma balls

[astral blade]

yeah sure it ain't the best but its seen me through more auric missions than i care to count

[strange grove]

worth taking for auric missions?

[worthy pelican]

went to check out the subreddit, worst mistake of my life

[astral blade]

anyways i've said my piece @junior needle bro you have an awesome one

i'm off to bed

[dim citrus]

What's up with it?

[worthy pelican]

their arguments for the keystones being bad

[junior needle]

Well, you are using the most powerful meta gun in the game atm. It's incredibly strong independent of skill tree choices.

[tropic imp]

It's pretty good for releasing netted teammates in the duration of your slide in the middle of a horde

[strange grove]

ill give it a shot, its either that or the +1 nade

[dim citrus]

They aren't bad, just too expensive to get

[tropic imp]

For me, revive speed is better than grenade

[astral blade]

And I’ll still be using it even when it’s not meta

[devout atlas]

Is there a current up to date list of broken talenta

talents

[junior needle]

I mean if you want, but the point is that its likely temporary power level doesn't necessarily imply that the setup using it can't be optimized more. Or that the same setup would be optimal for a less egregiously powerful weapon.

[devout atlas]

^?

[devout atlas]

It's quite good and rlly its up to preference. I usually suggest +1 grenade for most as it probably helps out more than Leave No One Behind to most players. It's also worth noting that a shredder thrown on your dying friend can be more effective than 20% extra revive speed for reviving.

For me it comes down to the fact if you're taking Infiltrate you already have the ability to safely revive anyone with your ability use

so the extra grenade is a lot more likely to be useful than if you have another ability equipped

Also its generally better to not prepare for failure but rather invest in ways to reduce that risk. An extra frag has the chance to reduce the risk AND secure a revive, while the revive perk only helps in the latter and arguably less effectively

[fast bay]

God...the same blessings fall out every time.
I think it's impossible to get something else on a recon lasgun. INFERNUS and
SPEEDLOAD ***...

[devout atlas]

You just need one good Blessing unless you're diehard on getting perfect perks then good luck homie

[wanton dawn]

Hey, got a 1m game on hab dreyko !

also my back hurt

[topaz lance]

One argument I read time and time again is that the left keystone forces you to stand still. Anyone making that argument either hasn't tried it or has ridiculously bad aim.

[elder vessel]

me trying to get a kantreal that isn't fuckinh 300-350

[devout atlas]

yeah this is bullshit

anyone making that argument hasn't used it

[worthy pelican]

well yeah that's true, they were arguing that each node encouraged bad behaviour. Like the right one making you swap weapons

[elder vessel]

Brunt really how many ordos do you need

[whole dirge]

Why is my talent tree doesnt save when im trying to set it up?

[elder vessel]

Swapping weapons is bad behavior now?

[worthy pelican]

that's was what was said yeah

[solemn niche]

there are rare situations where you need to swap weapons like you are cutting down a horde and you hear bomber noises

\

[devout atlas]

the left keystone is a lot more weapon dependent than the middle and right and most people complaining about it are trying to fit a square into a circle and wondering why it doesn't work

[solemn niche]

but most of the time you are either meleeing or ranging

[wanton dawn]

Right is also weapon dependent though'

[worthy pelican]

the catch all keystone is the middle one imo

[devout atlas]

Yes it works on any build

[wanton dawn]

Middle is the one that does not require any investment

[dim citrus]

I have just tried it and while it's odd it works

Like they forget you can just headshot a fodder to keep stacks

[devout atlas]

Which tbh is the case for Ogryn too. Their middle keystone is just durability which any build benefits from.

[worthy pelican]

i feel like fs could've made left worse by making stacks fall off after 3s regardless of movement and people wouldnt complain as much

[dim citrus]

I rather have it decay depending on speed

So walking makes it decay slower

[topaz lance]

Any full auto gun will also dump stacks on you in 0,2 seconds. But even with say a headhunter auto, it's easy enough to keep at least 5-6 stacks up if you move - shoot - move - shoot while not missing every shot.

[dim citrus]

I just realised it just turns the game into Synthetik

[whole dirge]

Anyone knows why i cant setup the talent? it just keeps resetting, i've made it 10 times and still resets everytime, idk whats the problem.

[wanton dawn]

The problem I have with left is I don't think it gives any more damage than middle

[devout atlas]

The left keystone is honestly fine and actually really good on lasguns, headhunters, plasma and any other headshot dependent weapon that already specialised in taking out shooters

[frank ether]

the problem is the keystone implies its designed to fit squares

[devout atlas]

no?

fuck does that even mean

[dim citrus]

The icons are circles so....

[topaz lance]

What it needs it the reload speed buffed to 2% per stack.

to actually make a diff

[wanton dawn]

What left tree needs is ever more survability, or more damage

[devout atlas]

I think that's a cherry on top not an actually notable benefit

[dim citrus]

The fact I forgot about that shows how much of a difference it makes

[frank ether]

keystone: is themed around headshots and sniping
best uptime is achieved by having spray and pray weapons that have high uptime to score consistent weakspot kills

[wanton dawn]

Also exil talekdown being debugged would go a long way

[devout atlas]

what

[worthy pelican]

which is why imo, camouflage should b baseline

[frank ether]

???

[wise harness]

is patch 15 with smaller tree onlin4e?

[topaz lance]

I agree, but that's why in the build I use it for I cannot take any reload node since I am using the middle nodes for toughness. So 2% would be a nice bonus for making the investment in the keystone.

[devout atlas]

I'm confused how the fuck is your aim that bad that you struggle to headshot kill with a laspistol for example

[frank ether]

the fuck are you even on about

who said anything about laspistol

since when laspistol is a sniper themed weapon?

the fuck are you even smoking

[devout atlas]

it's the most headshot reliant weapon in the game

[dim citrus]

The laspistol is my favourite gun and I wouldn't exactly call it sniper themed

[umbral scaffold]

I like the Columnus but is there a better all arounder IAG?

[dim citrus]

Helbores are more like snipers

[frank ether]

next you're gonna tell me recon is a sniper weapon because its designed around beaming heads

this chat is just

I am wasting my time here

[devout atlas]

it's a headshot reliant weapon

[topaz lance]

I think you're talking past each other 😄

[frank ether]

yeah buddy recon is a marksman sniper weapon

[dim citrus]

Tbf most weapons are reliant on headshots

[frank ether]

yes yes

you are right

everyone else is doodoo bad player

correct

[devout atlas]

there's not a single sniper rifle in the game

[dim citrus]

Like a slug shotgun is headshot based

[topaz lance]

The fluff of the keystone is sniper but the actual gameplay implication is that it should be used with full auto or fast shooting weapons

[dim citrus]

I argue the Slug Shotgun because it's dumb

I want a shotgun just with slugs

Normal shotguns no thank you

[devout atlas]

and that weapon actually benefits highly from Marksman

[dim citrus]

Its the best weapon for me when I want to feel like I have a ballistic sniper

[topaz lance]

I want it too but it would be OP. Give us a bolt action that shoots slugs or something.

[devout atlas]

I'm confused are you seriously pissing your pants over the keystone that gives you more headshot damage benefits weapons that already rely on scoring headshots and your problem is some of these weapons aren't a fucking bolt action rifle

[dim citrus]

Also when are we getting more weapon skins to unlock because all our options are:
Red
Grey-blue pattern

Where's blue? Green? Yellow?

Give us the base colours at least

[frank ether]

you're making dumb shitface arguments

[devout atlas]

dude nobody in the chat even knows what your argument is

[umbral scaffold]

I just want a heavy bolter :/

[dim citrus]

How about you two summerise your points well and be done with it

[devout atlas]

go outside touch the flowers

I already did from the start

[low wadi]

ak47 when

[devout atlas]

this dude didn't even start

[umbral scaffold]

thats just a brace agri

[devout atlas]

Agripinaa IAG

braced is the csgo version lol

braced is the csgo version lol

[dim citrus]

The guy is saying that the keystone helps a lot with weapons that you don't assume would work with it
Is that right Plush?

[gusty sonnet]

That's just braced agri

[dim citrus]

"keystone: is themed around headshots and sniping
best uptime is achieved by having spray and pray weapons that have high uptime to score consistent weakspot kills"

[wheat violet]

honestly just gave up on the keystones for more fun options

[frank ether]

please stop the pretense that you're trying to have an argument in good faith

[forest maple]

Dont sleep on focus target

[dim citrus]

I like the ping one

[forest maple]

and all its keystones

Its the best of the bunch and very consistent

Another middle tree W

[dim citrus]

Yeah its great

[devout atlas]

he's getting pissy that I saw finesse damage and thought headshot reliant weapons instead of getting pissy that the list includes weapons like the laspis or the recon

[dim citrus]

Only keystone you could skip is actually the one that lets you get 8 stacks because you might be in a game where you're pinging a lot

[devout atlas]

I don't even know his problem is he on his period or smth

[dim citrus]

Like 8 is good but if you REALLY need a spare point then it's the most expendible

[frank ether]

I said the keystone is themed around headshots and sniping and you lost your shit dude

''what''
''the fuck are you even on''

[wheat violet]

dont get me wrong some of them are neat its just that i enjoy my grenadier veteran more

[frank ether]

yeah keystone named marksman I wonder what its about

fuckhead

[dim citrus]

Oh yeah grenadier vet is amazing

[devout atlas]

define sniping

[topaz lance]

Question: does exe stance need to be buffed and if so, how?
My opinion is that the refresh should be part of the main node.It has too many mod nodes.

[dim citrus]

I'm sad I cannot really do the middle keepstone and do grenades

[wheat violet]

if they just merged some of the nodes

[devout atlas]

it's a keystone about shooting heads

[dim citrus]

I don't get why Ogryns and Ranged enemies are exclusives

[devout atlas]

it starts there and ends there

[forest maple]

10 second total non refreshable. 1 sub node for marking ALL ranged enemies and one sub node that gives you some kind of damage reduction to toughness while active

[dim citrus]

Do you

1. Want rare enemies to be highlighted
2. Want common enemies to be highlighted

[topaz lance]

Keeping the Ogryn mod node?

[valid apex]

All of those modifiers for executioners stance are wild. But also, those don’t reset ES.

[forest maple]

Yeah, one node for all kinds of ranged enemies*

[valid apex]

Those nodes should never be picked imo. They don’t reset your ability.

[topaz lance]

Hm honestly I wouldn't mind that setup.

You can still spam it with the special cooldown reduction node

[forest maple]

yup

being 5 sec base sucks when you cant refresh it because its inherently selfish

[wheat violet]

imagine the node that gives you 1 more grenade merged with the node that gives you 20% chance to throw 2 granades at once

one more point to spend on keystone

[topaz lance]

They don't? Haven't been using the nodes so I didn't know. Damn!

[forest maple]

That sounds super powerful since that grenade regen talent is 100% mandatory (for me)

What we dont need is, connecting nodes that give +1 stam or 5% hp

[worthy pelican]

extra stamina has its uses for builds

[wheat violet]

not in a world where psyker exists

[forest maple]

huh?

[junior needle]

You can take them with the refresh of course, but then it's more points.

[wheat violet]

ah powerfull not op nvm misread it

[strange grove]

Is this OK? I would have to use infernus and surgical

[valid apex]

You really don’t want a bunch of stuff highlighted. You want to see the specialists through the crowd.

[frank ether]

brick

[strange grove]

replace the obv with unyielding

[junior needle]

I want the shooters highlighted, personally

Ogryns should've been baked into the ability

[wise bridge]

you want onslaught on helbores

[junior needle]

That's just BS that they aren't

[wise harness]

swap the 2 blessing for surgical and onslaught and the rest is fine tbh

[strange grove]

Ok how about this?

[valid apex]

Into ES? Or tactical awareness?

[wheat violet]

you want the thing that givees you crit when aiming downsights cuz crits on hellbores are amazing

[wise harness]

don't need insane minmax

[topaz lance]

Ah yes, maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were saying having both the refresh and shooter node and killing a shooter wouldn't refresh the stance.

[valid apex]

Are shooters specialists? If the answer is no…they don’t decrease cooldown. Only specialists do.

[strange grove]

Here I would go cara/unyielding and the two obv blessings

[junior needle]

3/4 scuffed, also you absolutely don't want infernus on any helbore much less the 3

[frank ether]

swap sustained for onslaught, then replace critical hit with whatever your heart desires

you can take flak/maniac/unyielding whatever it struggles to kill

its gonna be build dependant

[wise bridge]

they do reset your ability if you combo it with that talent

[topaz lance]

This one my guy

[junior needle]

Ogryns should've been baseline into the new volley fire, them being separated was always dumb. I'd take it being baked into the shooter highlighting though.

[wheat violet]

yesterday there was a nicely made video regarding hellbores "The BEST Lucius Helbore is??? Patch 15 Meta Weapon?" from "The Wile Spice" you might find it helpfull

[wise bridge]

its interesting they took the monstrosity damage out of the volley fire talent

[frank ether]

the cooldown increase nerf should have been part of the refresh modifier not base volley fire

[strange grove]

rn I'm trying out this build I found https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9d0af2-4b3f-467d-a70e-6f4f8213b1da/veteran-shock-trooper

[frank ether]

volley has one playstyle and thats to keep uptime to maximum

[cerulean grail]

Why does Fatshark hate Veterans now? Genuine question.

[frank ether]

it has been nerfed in a way if you were using it for the quick weapon swap with certain weapons

if you just need to quickly kill some crusher lets say with helbore or bolter and then go back to melee

just yet another unneccessary nerf taking away flexibility

but on the plus side

unlimited volley fire

if you can stay on gun

[thin moat]

volleyfire was always practically unlimited so long as you took camo optics and didnt run out of targets

[frank ether]

Its a complicated point to get across

left tree problem is that its very inflexible compared to the other two

with the other two abilities you have things that function good on their own and then the ability modifiers add flavor, with volley its the opposite, meh ability, insanely strong modifiers

[topaz lance]

I don't think it's hate it's more that their first version of the tree didn't work and they've been trying to fix it instead of scrapping and restarting it.

Which is hard to do.

[strange grove]

what should replace all or nothing?

[worthy pelican]

the tree has bloat, remove the bloat and they will be in a great state

[frank ether]

Yeah sure immeasurably complex

I'm sure thats why

ET broken, frags nerfed like 3 times in a row

[cerulean grail]

Sometimes… you have to give up things. The Vet’s tree is a sidegrade at worst, leaving certain breakpoints farther away. Certain node placements make no sense, connection nodes should be rolled into one gigantic node. There is TREMENDOUS points bloat

[frank ether]

I'm suprised they kept survivalist as is

[worthy pelican]

volley could have its uses for melee spec if it worked with it

[topaz lance]

I agree.

[kind ore]

man I love this columnus. took it into high intensity shock troop. It's the only gun I feel confident using since the recon gun nerf.

[worthy pelican]

giving up things is kinda the point with skill trees, its the reason you have different builds

[frank ether]

its use for melee is that it lets you stay on melee and swap back to ranged instantly on a button press

It also used to reload your gun

[wanton dawn]

So far it seems the best vet gun this patch is plasma. At least by far the most popular in auric

[frank ether]

refresh your toughness

give you %75 DR

etc

[worthy pelican]

i meant for the keystone, if you use volley to swap you dont get to use the stacks

[frank ether]

keystone? I tested it a bit both in meat grinder and live games, immeasurable disappointment

Since its ranged finesse only

it doesnt even work on helbore bayonet

I understand why they didnt include generall weakspot damage

but it just sucks

[woeful ibex]

Got it on Auric and Blessing/Perks wise is it it decent?

[frank ether]

You can tell if someone only plays with certain easy weapons on vet by their take on marksman anyways

[junior needle]

I highly recommend taking infernus off it, slow fire/high damage is not good for it.

[cerulean grail]

How good is the Vraks Headhunter for Zealot? What do I want on it? Is it as good as the Revolver?

[woeful ibex]

alright and replace it with what?

[strange grove]

shovel is such an underrated weapon, I prefer it over the psword

[frank ether]

shouldnt you be asking that in zealot chat

[junior needle]

Headhunter or ghost for deadshot/dnd shenanigans are options.

[frank ether]

I dont think its gonna be as good as veteran either way

[cerulean grail]

I could but I am a Vet main and I know most of you guys. Would feel wrong.

[woeful ibex]

thanks

[low wadi]

we want toughness on curios right?

[frank ether]

vraks have high headshot modifier and meh bodyshot damage

[cerulean grail]

Yeah

[woeful ibex]

for me,

Health
Toughness

• 1 Wound

[frank ether]

veteran has precision strikes thats easily reachable %30 weakspot damage

I dont think zealot gets anything of the sort

you get close range damage on zealot

[cerulean grail]

Luckily I have insane headshot rate. So I am good. Question though: is it as good as Revolver?

[frank ether]

and spread reduction

[patent slate]

How is melee vet good like I don't think any talents in yhe vet tree thst help melee like zealot

[frank ether]

neither of which are useful to vraks

they are already accurate and are designed for longer ranges

[junior needle]

Only time you'd ever maybe want infernus on an infantry las is if you're taking onslaught with it on a critfishing setup, which is a very niche strategy. Not suitable for the k12.

[frank ether]

well.. for zealot no, for vet it can be... Depending on build.

[cerulean grail]

Weapons Specialist. And Power Sword Mk VI achieving a 2-shot push attack on Crushers. So yeah.

[frank ether]

I think if you're playing weapon specialist revolver is better

if going for marksman meme then vraks

[patent slate]

So patch 15 made melee vet a thing

[cerulean grail]

Got it. Which variant do I want? VII or III

[wraith glen]

Anyone can help me with On Overwatch penance?

[frank ether]

3 has a little less finesse multiplier but personal pref whether you want 3 burst spam gun with high mag or single shot DMR style gameplay

your gameplay will involve deadly accurate for %90 weakspot crit damage and then a crit blessing either surgical/crucian or headhunter

[cerulean grail]

Yes. Kinda. Do take a decent ranged weapon to kill shooter mobs and gunners which are by far the most dangerous enemy in the game. You do not have the toughness to migrate from shooter group to shooter group chaining kills. Unlike Zealot.

[frank ether]

I recommend surgical personally but I also ignore marksman keystone and go a mix of left and middle tree

[dusk idol]

you say gunners are the most dangerous enemies in the game, meanwhile that touchy ass trapper’s lurking in your mixed horde

[frank ether]

if you're going marksman because of the timer forcing you to either stand still or score headshot kills I'd recommend headhunter which is more spam oriented gameplay

[cerulean grail]

Gotcha. Thanks @frank ether

[frank ether]

np np, can also share builds for vraks if you want

[cerulean grail]

They are the most dangerous because they are everywhere. They do not refund ammo, they have a requisite TTK of 1-2 hits, and they break your toughness down enough for that one melee hit from that lone Poxwalker to down you. They are ALWAYS the worst enemy.

[wraith glen]

Anyone can help me with On Overwatch penance?

[cerulean grail]

Thanks!

[frank ether]

Rn a lot of vets are making paper builds I notice

because of talent scramble and bugged ET

ppl run around with very low toughness DR

and that leads to instantly getting downed

when you make a mistake

[dusk idol]

shooter mobs or gunners? gunners are definitely easy to handle unless there’s a gunner pack that’s suppressing you from 50+ meters away, shooter mobs are a pain too for the reasons you stated, but dodging and mobility takes care of them pretty nicely

trappers 100% get me downed more often, even though they’re easy to handle, when you’re swamped so bad you cant even dodge out of the way, that trapper’s ready for you

shooting their net through whole hordes is so ass

[dusk idol]

even if ET wasn’t bugged idk if i’d sacrifice my damage for it, there’s just not enough points to go around

iron will and the two toughness dr nodes have to see me through

[frank ether]

Kinda what I do atm

you can flex this around for whatever you need

survivalist or more focus on left tree

or take no keystone and go balanced mix between left/mid

[eternal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

vets who take exe stance and a keystone:

absolute garbage playstyles

[frank ether]

focus keystone got me through a dumpsterfire team that aggro'd two DHs in a single game

[eternal sable]

you could be better

[dusk idol]

exec stance is fine, just squishy

[frank ether]

I dont run it for my personal builds

its purely there as a team support build

[eternal sable]

exe stance is terrible all around

[tardy vine]

what weapon do u use with it?

[dusk idol]

why do you say it’s terrible?

[frank ether]

I kinda adapt this build change it around based on weapon but when its like this I run it with a vraks 3 or columnus iag

columnus iag kinda works on... any build really

I havent seen a build that doesnt make it work

[tardy vine]

how about bolter?

[frank ether]

hmm.. could work viable

[bold sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723309450827530331/943321954788728862/ezgif-3-862ad02a08.gif

nah

[dusk idol]

please explain

[eternal sable]

huh ?

its terrible because shout is an option bub

vet is a support class

[bold sierra]

ok but what if I just shot things really good

[plucky agate]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[dusk idol]

😂

[bold sierra]

Vet doesn't strictly have to be a support class

[dapper vessel]

nah zealot fits the bill more

[delicate moat]

this absolute chad of an ogryn ran loyal protector with mg

[bold sierra]

chorus zealot moment

[frank ether]

with some minimal changes bolter becomes workable

[tardy vine]

yeah with reload talent

[frank ether]

I was thinking more of a deadshot-surgical kind of playstyle for bolter

as meme as it sounds you're deleting elites in a single crit headshot

and a few shots kills a crusher

I'm actually not the biggest fan of magdumping with bolter

[dusk idol]

honestly though, shout does feel like the only ability that feels good right now

[wheat violet]

specialist killer

[dusk idol]

exec stance needs more durability and stealth feels like a clutch gimmick

[delicate moat]

vet is a smoking class

[frank ether]

shout feels good yes and the middle tree despite the heavy handed nerfs still has some cornerstone talents I'd say

[wheat violet]

its neat if you like to controll enemy agro and have the blessing for extra damage in back

[frank ether]

stealth feels ok because the bottom right tree is very very good

so you can treat it like an on demand toughness reset button

[wheat violet]

really wishing i had more luck with the blessings

[frank ether]

and spend the rest of your points to reach iron will and cd reduction from middle tree

[dusk idol]

if they lowered stealth cd a little more i’d be more inclined to take it more often

[dusk idol]

our only cd talent is only for specialists as well 💀

we have to get the kill and it has to be a specialist

[frank ether]

I think base cd is ok, it could have a way of reducing it through killing stuff though

like nothing huge

but something like 2-3 sec reduction on elite kills or whatever

[dusk idol]

yeah, that would be nice

[frank ether]

cause if you just cut base cooldown people will treat it as speedrun tool or to avoid taking aggro (which they already do)

[valid apex]

Oh yea. Any highlighted enemy will extend but ONLY specialists reduce the cooldown.

[frank ether]

which is inherently selfish and problematic

[dusk idol]

honestly i’d just feel at liberty to use stealth outside of the most dire circumstances

[low wadi]

[frank ether]

the way its designed rn you take overwatch for two pops and take %90 threat reduction so enemies continue to ignore you past stealth

[dusk idol]

like hey maybe it’d be nice to get behind and close to that gunner line, but if I use it now then I won’t have it for when the martyr zealot fails at edging her hp

[frank ether]

lmao

yea

Idk shout still king

and its not even shouts fault

[dusk idol]

no I think shouts in a good spot, just the others still need attention

[valid apex]

Reddit post 831 complaining about rager spam.

Watch the clip and they mag dump 4 times center mass whilst missing half their shots. Lol

GAME IS TOO HARD

[devout coral]

rager spam is dualbe

gunner spam is just an invitation for buttrape

[astral ingot]

Fuck bulwark spam also

[wheat violet]

nothing like having 10 shotgunners spawn in front of you

[frank ether]

hmm

deadshot bolter isnt... terrible

[dusk idol]

trying to open up bulwarks when they’re in a phalanx formation 😭

[frank ether]

the one thing frag is still good for

mixed hordes

bulwarks

and what have you

[dusk idol]

getting the BoN to spit out your ogryn

granted shout does that too, part of why shout is so great

[frank ether]

nah nah

[dusk idol]

so multipurpose

[frank ether]

let the ogryn lose weight

[astral ingot]

You mean your zealot

[frank ether]

I kinda like

deadshot weapons

more on shout than exec

[dusk idol]

I prefer it on shout

[frank ether]

like helbores, vraks, bolter, plasma

I'll just play it on shout you know?

[dusk idol]

exec stance doesn’t provide any survivability into melee and deadshot’s tax is to your melee combat

shout gives you wiggle room if you need it

[frank ether]

thats kinda the problem with left tree in general

[acoustic wyvern]

deadshot doesnt work on plasma

[frank ether]

worse than that

two of your talents do not work with enemies up close

[frank ether]

I know

its just associated with left tree vet a lot

two shotting mauler on shout bolter

magdumping is inferior

hm.. crusher takes 4 tho

maybe I need carapace on it

[strange grove]

...............

[warm idol]

can anyone give me a generic shout build? I was only running exec stance as it's what i'm used to from before the rework and I wanna try out something new

[hidden summit]

Ogryn main here, what’s the on overwatch penance?

[warm idol]

dont take health damage in a malice+ mission

[dusk idol]

from melee

[frank ledge]

PLush no

You cannot rediscover a weapon

The pubers will steal your build, say they took made it and then blame you because "your build sucks" or keep it and inhale all the ammo because they don't understand or don't have the capability to make use of it

[plucky agate]

er ya go

[warm idol]

cheers

can I just use any weapon I want or are there certain weapons that just work great with it?

ideally something that isnt very blessing reliant

[plucky agate]

"Meta" right now is these 2

[warm idol]

my only weapons with good blessings are my helbores and kantraels lol

[plucky agate]

but you can use this with any weapon you feel works

[warm idol]

cant use power sword cause I dont have power cycler after 400+ hours lol

uh

what blessings do I want on chainsword?

might have a few decent ones

[plucky agate]

I run cleave blessings but im sure theres better ones

i like using it for hordes

not even a good roll

[frank ether]

sdfvkgd its ok its very unoptimized anyways

[frank ledge]

Who cares

BOLTOR

https://tenor.com/view/bolter-warhammer40k-space-marine-imperial-navy-adeptus-astartes-gif-16790417

[frank ether]

no survivalist on this

[frank ledge]

[frank ether]

I'll have to make a talent tree specifically for boltor

[warm idol]

well I just rolled this

but now I need fucking plasteel lol

[frank ledge]

rename build "ammo inhaler"

[plucky agate]

https://tenor.com/view/buttsmarnn-gif-18440715

[warm idol]

need to put savage sweep on it

[frank ether]

Its actually not that bad with ammo

[frank ledge]

how

[frank ether]

you'll not be going ammo positive obviously

[plucky agate]

i wish i still had 1mil dockets

sad lyf

[frank ether]

but its a mainly melee playstyle anyways and you just pull the boltor to deal with the big mfs like maulers, crushers, monstros, ranged elites

and with deadshot surgical you're killing them in few shots

2 shots for a mauler

1 shot to ranged elites

[warm idol]

what do you even use em on?

the random weapons from the shop?

[plucky agate]

rolling for infernuns

never again

[frank ether]

I'll make a survivalist variant of it and play a few games

will see how it goes

[delicate moat]

[warm idol]

I remember at some poiint

spending like 10k+ plasteel

[frank ether]

also my boltor is kinda scuffed (I think)

[warm idol]

just trying to get power cycler

sad

[delicate moat]

everyone has that phase on vet

trying to grind PC4

[warm idol]

god they need to rework the whole loot/weapon stats system

[delicate moat]

at this point just make it fking base

[warm idol]

I already accepted that I wont get it

[frank ether]

I won't make any changes to this till I can figure out what I actually want

[delicate moat]

just make ps have 3 swings at base

so u can take other blessings

remove PC entirely

[elder relic]

Yeaass

I got other stuff to waste plasteel for

[gusty sonnet]

I got PC4 on my 3rd PSword

[thorny blade]

I got PC4 on a sword given from the emperor before I'd even thought to try power sword

[sharp brook]

Holy Karking Shirtballs. Went left side of the tree. Just impossible to get any traction with that side even with the keystone. The whole moving and losing damage is just the dumbest thing in this game.

Shouty vet is still most useful vet.

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah, rn it's shout+mid-bottom+right-bottom or bust

[nimble sentinel]

I'm making shock trooper work but it ain't easy

[pure chasm]

i feel like the duration ur allowed to move should stack

[deep igloo]

what auto gun has a reddot on it? or is that a mod?

[hybrid river]

Mod

[warped roost]

is it possible to get a plasma to 1 bodyshot all ragers

[trail totem]

is it complete garbage without executioner stance?

[whole moon]

I wouldn't have thought so, that's pretty much perfect

[frank ledge]

Looks great to me

It's only missing a modded scope

[low wadi]

people who use braced/infantry autoguns what primary wep do u use?

[frank ledge]

Caxe

[whole moon]

vet - chainsword/Powersword paired w Columnus IAG
Zealot - power maul w Columnus

[low wadi]

or ?

wich one would u use

[pale lotus]

2nd

[trail totem]

the scopes are all kinda ass i just use the dot

[bright cliff]

shovel for literally every loadout

[low wadi]

havnt tried the shovel yet

[atomic zephyr]

I’ve been using a rashad axe

[north spoke]

You

[north spoke]

2nd for both of them

[inland moat]

just got this, any ideas what to do with it?

[acoustic wyvern]

i'd swap infernus and stamina. its a perfect weapon then

[inland moat]

definitely want to swap the stamina, but not sure what to

[acoustic wyvern]

how about flak or carapace?

[inland moat]

infernus ill probably swap to onslaught when i get one

[acoustic wyvern]

anything lesser you can kill em in a charge shot

if you're not bothered with the charge time, any other blessings would work

[north spoke]

Honestly just change stamina and you're good

[cerulean void]

I use a braced auto with stripped down and hit and run for a more mobile vet, the cleave of solid rounds seems important

can an accatran work?

[junior needle]

Recons are big shit right now, all of them

[junior needle]

Infernus on a hb3

[upbeat horizon]

This good? I can translate. Never played this weapon, idk if I should buy it

[junior needle]

Yes, just change perks to flak/maniac

You might want a bit more stability for a future upgrade but that's quite well done, you got both blessings you want

[frank gyro]

is the lucius MKII still the better lucius version

[torn gorge]

better is questionable

[frank gyro]

how good is it in general?

[junior needle]

Different playstyle, it's still like a k12 but with armor piercing.

[torn gorge]

all 3 helbore are good from the get go

[junior needle]

Surgical/shock trooper boosted the mk3 quite a bit but all the helbores are doing good, yeah

[frank gyro]

what should i change on this lucius

[torn gorge]

they are talent agnostic as well

[cerulean void]

just bad, huh?

[junior needle]

What a terribly unfortunate roll

[torn gorge]

bin that weapon

[frank gyro]

is it really taht bad lmao

[junior needle]

2 bricked, and the ones you replaced were probably worse

[untold mulch]

Recon at best you get with the VId an ammo vacuum

Could theorically still work with it

but you are gonna use a lot more ammo per damage than you should

[frank gyro]

what should i go for on an MKII lucius

[torn gorge]

thats also a sad lasgun roll