veteran-class

[junior needle]

7 has better parry damage, 1 has easiest consistent horizontal damage

[gleaming turtle]

Could someone here walk me through the current Recon build? I am trying to make one for the future, and also just want to mess around. What version do I pick, the stats/perk/blessings, and what talent setup would you recommend?

[mystic belfry]

4 is better because you want to weave heavy 1 in with your counters

Not just counter spam

[fading anvil]

I've been shopping for a good mk7 but no luck, want to take it for a spin to see how it feels

[wanton dawn]

Sunder allows you to do thing like this. It is very good when facing horde of mixed elite which is very common this patch #veteran-class message

[junior needle]

Could someone here walk me through the current Recon build?
Not using them is the current recon build. They're supposedly slated for a proper rework in the future, so trying to build a future proof one now is not a wise idea. Just stack crafting fodder for the future.

[mystic belfry]

Just kill them one at a time, and you'll get throug hthem faster

[gleaming turtle]

Yeah, but in the future, I will have more mats... and I'd like to play around with the gun.

[mystic belfry]

You can cleave through a mixed horde, but you won't be doing all that uch damage to multiple, as shown in said video

[wanton dawn]

With bm i would just die bro

[livid monolith]

bm would be bouncing a ton

[wanton dawn]

If i wanted to showcast dmg i would have let invis on

[junior needle]

They're very weak at the moment. Trust me, you aren't missing out on anything if you intend to play with them now. For stats to look for, damage/ammo to max and maybe stability if you can but it's not nearly as big a deal as on other guns. Collateral is near useless on them and can actually lower performance by making it harder to headshot.

Current blessings are HH/Infernus/dumdum (only because it's bugged). Perks are Crit chance and a choice of flak/maniac.

Given the likelihood of an actual rework, there's no telling what'll happen to them or their blessings/blessing pool.

What's best now may change down the line, so building them now would be a waste.

I'd recommend stockpiling until the time comes. Fatshark was content to let them sit in the dumpster for nearly the entirety of the games existence so there's no telling when that might be.

Stopping power is armor pen

[teal abyss]

Nvm read above messages lol

[junior needle]

Collat is stagger/suppression and the guns barely do either

[delicate moat]

i have obs setup, now i can record some smoke runs

[teal abyss]

Ok nice then I just got a perfect one thanks. Don’t even care if they’re bad atm lol I just built it with the double 3rd and 4th shot blessings and have been having insane fun in damnation so far

Little burst machine

[junior needle]

Would be fine if they were extra killy to make up for it but uh

[junior needle]

double 3rd and 4th shot blessings
I regret to inform you that you've been bricked, those are quite bad on them

[teal abyss]

Seems good af so far

[junior needle]

You may not have terribly high standards. They're fine for shooter duty, but not much else

[midnight mortar]

Yeah uh, a salvo is measured based on when your gun's recoil begins to when it resets.

I have no doubt you find its performance to be good.

But objectively speaking, that blessing's contribution is negligble.

[junior needle]

For reference, compare the kill times/dps to the columnus IAG

[teal abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-gif-18310292

[junior needle]

6d has better dps than the other models but also hogs more ammo, even more than other guns that do way better dps

Let me take a video for that

Was actually worse than I thought it'd be to maniacs.

[astral blade]

i love chokepoints

[junior needle]

79% is still max damage for the gun btw

[delicate moat]

ah crap my game runs like a ppt when i record for some reason

[abstract locust]

That's nuts

[quasi glade]

@stable spear out of curiosity, why do you need exe stance for flamers/bombers?

[jade notch]

So this occurred to me on a whim while I was walking to work. I've got no hard numbers, but:

A Veteran Aura that lets the Vet and anyone in Coherency regain Toughness from all Ranged Kills. Even from Poxwalkers/Groaners

I know the Zealot has a Talent that does that and the Psyker has a Talent that gains Toughness from Warp Attack Kills.

It still doesn't fundamentally address the issue of Vet needing to Kill to regain Toughness unlike the Psyker and the Ogryn (who just needs to land Heavy Attacks) though.

[patent slate]

is this a W??

for helbore guns terms

emperor gave me this btw

[junior needle]

damage/stopping power are a bit low

[jade notch]

I'd definitely scrap it for the Onslaught IV, but that's just me.

[patent slate]

yea i was thinking of that

[junior needle]

Yeah that's a scrapper for onslaught

[patent slate]

btw

did fatshark increase the chances of tier 4 blessings or something via gifts

[jade notch]

I have Onslaught IV on my Lucius Mk II and it almost has the same firing pace as a Kant MG XII when Onslaught kicks in

[patent slate]

cause most if not all of my maelstrom rewards have had a tier 4

[hollow solstice]

well gifts scale off your levle

level

[patent slate]

ah

[hollow solstice]

and dif

[patent slate]

are the helbore lasguns any good in patch 15

[jade notch]

I like my Hellbore Mk II, but that's because I prefer rapid-firing Lasguns and the Bayonet Thrust special comes out fast and recovers quickly

[junior needle]

Yes, they're doing very good and surgical hasn't been touched. The only reason they aren't the most represented lasgun is because of their swap time (and off putting charging playstyle)

[jade notch]

I didn't like Hellbores during the previous patches either, but once you get over the swap time, they're pretty good.

[patent slate]

is it just me or is the carnival like really easyt

[junior needle]

Fatshark seems insistent on balancing strong guns with jank that makes them offputting to use

Carnival isn't hard if you use the cheese method and camp at the entrance

For the last part

[patent slate]

also have u guys recieved a single melee weapon from the emperor

ive been getting nothing but guns

[jade notch]

Multiple melee weapons, but almost always never one I'd want to keep.

[junior needle]

Yes, consistently

[patent slate]

i got an axe rated 377 but it had decimator tier 2

[astral blade]

its less of a cheese and more like smart thinking because of the chokepoint

[junior needle]

It is smart thinking, but also it stops things from spawning behind you

So they'll only come from the front

[jade notch]

IDK, I've had at least one Carnival finale where Specials were spawning in behind me

They appear a few meters away from where that Poxburster is lol

[astral blade]

i thinking about switching off the columnus and switching to another gun

any suggestions?

[hollow solstice]

what playstyle

[upper lichen]

yeah but ill take the odd special spawning behind me over massive elite hordes spawning behind me lol, definitely a cheesey spot

i use it dont get me wrong, but i do hope they make it so the rest of the horde will come in from behind there or just cut off access to that hallway

[astral blade]

something simliar to the columnus but with a good middle ground of both range and CQB

[junior needle]

Need to sit a bit further back

I had the same thing one game, then another game where there was not a single thing from behind

[astral blade]

i tend to hip fire mah gun in CQB because cant be fucked switching to my melee

[hollow solstice]

Well mine and probably alot of other peoples personal recommendations are always plasma or revolver (Personally plasma abit more)

[jade notch]

Gotcha, I like to stick close to the rest of the team as a habit

[junior needle]

It should only be one person needing to be that far back

Seems sufficient to stop everything from spawning there

[hollow solstice]

With plasma you will not only shoot straight through everything including some walls, but you will slice through hordes and elites. Only issue is its economy, so you cant be too trigger happy

[astral blade]

don't like the revolver or the plasma alas

[tender pasture]

found it helpful back when the servers were having a really bad episode to bind ranged to mouse wheel up and melee to mouse wheel down

[hollow solstice]

Well if you like something long range and cqb, I can also recommend the agri shotgun

It has its normal pellets and then a precise round thats basically a sniper shot

[tender pasture]

missing a weapon swap input was a bad time, flicking the mouse wheel guaranteed multiple inputs

[hollow solstice]

that 1 shots most specialists across the map

[tender pasture]

the Martini-Henry

[hollow solstice]

• the precise round can stagger crushers

like really stagger

[jade notch]

A follow-up Agrippina shotgun slug to the head will knock Crushers flat on their ass, IIRC

[hollow solstice]

yes

[jade notch]

It also knocks Bulwark shields aside with a single slug, which is great

[hollow solstice]

might take one or two rounds but you can sit crushers tf down

[astral blade]

defs like it

but need to know what blessings/perks to use

[hollow solstice]

1 sec

[hollow solstice]

Full bore and no respite

That will maximize your single target damage with the precise round

[junior needle]

Ciag is easily the best automatic gun in the game currently, anything else will be giving up ground somewhere.

laspistol is pretty nice if you're good with headshots, but you barely do damage on non crits/headshots. Can be very stably autofired.

[hollow solstice]

@astral blade Ultimately if you want a better horde clearer instead of a mixed weapon, go with lawbringer + flachette

[astral blade]

prefer mixed

[hollow solstice]

That thing will decimate hordes

yeah fair

[opal obsidian]

Why is Vet player so bad ?

useless as shit

[hollow solstice]

@astral blade its not perfect but you wanna go for something like this

[junior needle]

Can't play adequately while using at least one hand to sniff glue

Preferably two hands

[opal obsidian]

I was playing Smite Psyker

on the scanning mission

I keeping enemy away so they can scan

you know what 2 Vet in my team did ?

[hollow solstice]

[opal obsidian]

melee stunned enemy

instead of trying to scan objective

These Vet might as well be Ogryn irl

[tender pasture]

do one then the other?

[astral blade]

did you just come into this chat just to bitch about us vets?

[opal obsidian]

Yes

exactly what I did

[amber light]

and psyker vs vet war continues

[terse idol]

oh that's sad

[hollow solstice]

The only war that can outmatch the one in 40k

[terse idol]

[opal obsidian]

I keep them alive the whole game

but of course they're still useless through and through

[hollow solstice]

feel like you're kinda judging an entire class based on a single persons actions

Not every game is gonna have good players

[sharp epoch]

maybe they were keeping rhe enemy away so you can scan

[hollow solstice]

Isnt exclusive to vet players

[midnight mortar]

Don't feed trolls, come on. Basic stuff.

[amber light]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

pysker moment

[opal obsidian]

dude I play Smite Psyker

[junior needle]

That would be why onslaught is mandatory, 6d has a 60-50% maniac modifier based on range.

[opal obsidian]

I'm suppose to keep enemy away not them

[hollow turtle]

Lol didn't win, but dayum. Had to handle the rescues and machinery myself.

[junior needle]

Of course it's still not impressive even if it had 100%

[hollow solstice]

nuh uh

[sharp epoch]

how lose as smite psyker thats brain ded

[terse idol]

class waars

[opal obsidian]

exactly

[keen mason]

Even though we have enough automatic weaponry I think they should do a gun like this but just more exaggerated could fit with the more ganger aesthetic even as a skin, maybe have some fabric wrapped around the grip idk

[hollow solstice]

heretical

[astral blade]

this is why we don't let children aka the smite psyker play video games

[opal obsidian]

My teammates Vet is so bad Smite can't help them

[hollow turtle]

You mean.

[tender pasture]

kicked off over the great brain burst dispute of M2

[hollow turtle]

Give me a sec to put the wrappings on it

[terse idol]

Like

[patent slate]

i was swinging at a door then a burster came through and killed me

[keen mason]

I realized halfway through it could be a skin

[terse idol]

Just have it one handed

[patent slate]

[terse idol]

Aim that sideways

👏

[sharp epoch]

its cause vet takes concentration to aim

[opal obsidian]

I said
THEY MELEE STUNNED ENEMY

[sharp epoch]

smite is like aim at rhe floor

[keen mason]

Maybe, or worst give it like a minimalist stock that's a skeleton frame

[opal obsidian]

THEY MELEE

[terse idol]

It's kinda cool

[sharp epoch]

melee vet is best vet rn

[opal obsidian]

and they still lose the game

great

[terse idol]

Go go back to psyker

smmhh

[tender pasture]

yeah just go clean up the stunned crowd and scan

[terse idol]

Complain there

[keen mason]

But they allow us to run and do flips with a hand cannon they'd definitely do something even higher bullet spam

[hollow solstice]

Good but squishy

[astral blade]

in other news i didn't get a good roll agrip shotgun 😦

[opal obsidian]

Whats the point of complain in Psyker
I'll just complain in Vet

[sharp epoch]

yes the best out of the trash class

[tender pasture]

not like vets get exclusive access to power swords or anything

[opal obsidian]

so you KNOW

[hollow turtle]

There ya go

[terse idol]

because that's where you complain to your people

🥹

[astral blade]

got the blessing fullbore and no respite at rank 4

[opal obsidian]

there is no "my people"

only me
And useless Vets

[keen mason]

Swag, I just think people should run and gun with an Uzi as a treat

[sharp epoch]

i mean i have psykers who just blow them self ip every minute

[opal obsidian]

Vet being useless happen so often I'm curious if it some kind of disease

ffs

[hollow solstice]

yall hear something?

[tender pasture]

it's the default class for people new to darktide

[opal obsidian]

[flint garden]

its a just a pub disease lol

[sharp epoch]

its cause vet is weakest class need buff

[junior needle]

Yep, vet is generally the most chosen class for beginners and people learning the game. Also that there's been a large uptick in people trying the class since the tree chages.

[terse idol]

yeessss

[opal obsidian]

even if I play taunt Ogryn that round it probably wont help either

[terse idol]

Vet being better in melee than zealot

[opal obsidian]

so bad

[terse idol]

We ned a buff

WE ARE TOO WEAK

[hollow turtle]

Idk man. I never get picked up when I get downed.

[terse idol]

waaa

[junior needle]

Assuming someone else will do the objective is hardly a vet thing though

[terse idol]

😢

[hollow turtle]

If that scoreboard said anything, I'm the last one to go down.

[sharp epoch]

why you play the most braindead builds though, just play one that can solo carry not support

[gusty bison]

Vet also attracts the CoD style people. And those people dont understand melee is important

XD

[sharp epoch]

shield ogryn and smite psyler are for support

[sharp ember]

guy with gun feels familiar and safe to the new player

[opal obsidian]

I prefer support

[terse idol]

Uh

Then L

You didn't build to carry

Lol

[tender pasture]

this accounts for the bulk of anti-vet rage IME

[opal obsidian]

Vet is L

[hollow solstice]

Vet stealth users are superior to zealot stealth because vet people will actively try to get people up and play defensively while zealots mind is just DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE

[opal obsidian]

Vet L

[hollow turtle]

I prefer keeping the maniacs/specials off my team, thank you.

[sharp epoch]

then dont conplain about ur team ur fault for supporting trash

[opal obsidian]

fair enough

supporting trash is still trash

[hollow solstice]

does that make you trash?

[terse idol]

I mean

Eh

Wee

[opal obsidian]

can't help them out of the bin

[amber light]

could we all agree that ogyrn is the best class?

[terse idol]

We do alot of damage

[sharp epoch]

think of support builds like a multiplier

[terse idol]

Stop interacting with mustard

[astral blade]

#veteran-class this is an announcement people pls do not give the troll rations commodores ventures is running low and the the ogryns are complaining

[tender pasture]

there's something about maining zealot that smoothens the brain something fierce

[opal obsidian]

Ogryn good yes

[hollow turtle]

Can't polish a turd.

[terse idol]

it's meaningless

[hollow solstice]

Not saying we don't, I just generally see vet stealth users play more team based than zealots

[terse idol]

hmm

Eh it depends

and

[hollow turtle]

This is a fucking fact

[terse idol]

Zealot stealth with the added damage only lasts a few seconds

[sharp epoch]

vet stealth users dont have 90% uptime like zelot

[hollow turtle]

Even with low profile, we're somehow more team players than the stealth zealots

[terse idol]

You only have a tiny window to actually have stealth

Well

Because Stealth zealots are built to one tap crushers

[tender pasture]

loner aura has a lot to answer for

[terse idol]

Not stay in stealth and have low profile as we do

[hollow solstice]

Legit the only time I proc stealth is to res someone or clutch

[flint garden]

vet stealth lasts way longer and doesnt give the big dmg boost

[opal obsidian]

There is no good Vet player
have a good day
bye

[hollow turtle]

Revive, hack, get out of bad situation,

[hollow solstice]

bye

[astral blade]

#veteran-class once again this is an announcement people pls do not give the troll rations commodores ventures is running low and the the ogryns are complaining

[hollow turtle]

Bye Zealot.

[hollow solstice]

Yeah thats why I prefer vet stealth, because it's just so much more versatile instead of just bonus dmg

[opal obsidian]

oh I forgot

Vet L

[hollow solstice]

ok

bye

[terse idol]

well we do have 30% damage

Lke

Ahh

weapon spec

[hollow turtle]

Genuinely, of the 3 classes I would assume the most toxic players are actually sitting in zealot.

[terse idol]

• infil

Goes a long way

[abstract locust]

Does brutal momentum always cleave 4 heads on kills? Or does that change with blessing level as well as %damage?

[tender pasture]

90% reduced aggro may as well be continued stealth

[terse idol]

^

It just works different

[hollow turtle]

Yup. That's what helps the hacking

[hollow solstice]

Practically is, just not with hordes

But low profile is amazing at harrasing gunners

[hollow turtle]

Also, vets can activate stealth and pick up the objective canisters.

At least, when there's no ogryn around to pick it up and move fast for us.

[flint garden]

id run that if there werent so many nodes and so few talent points in vet tree

[hollow solstice]

Running plasma on vet stealth feels so good yet so wrong

[terse idol]

TO BE FAIR

[tender pasture]

probably an interaction with the charged attack

[terse idol]

Weee do actually more damage with a dclaw

Or at least

[hollow turtle]

Lol wtf

[terse idol]

With one test

Than a zealot

Like we have more melee damage

On a right side build

Than a zealot

Which is saying something

[gusty bison]

On paper ye

[frank ledge]

Plasma crashes my game so I can't even run it

[hollow turtle]

Stealth vet also helping to counterfire that one sniper while we're all stuck in melee

[flint garden]

personally im a rashad enjoyer rn

[gusty bison]

In practice it harder to get the perfect weakspot cleave count

[terse idol]

Hmm yeah

I feel like at some point it's practice

[gusty bison]

But like its basically the same melee damage wise

[tender pasture]

mk6 power sword being busted doesn't hurt

[hollow solstice]

I aint even kidding try it, even without survivalist it feels so good to just quickly whip it out and turn someone into soup before cutting down a horde

[gusty bison]

Vet melee is cracked atm

The gunplay is also solid.

[hollow turtle]

Lol I also use the stealth when I need to reload in melee range

[tender pasture]

yeah ironically weapon specialist doesn't come up much in discussions

[south prairie]

I play vet melee with knife and plasmagun, no keystone but it seems very meth

[hollow solstice]

Literally only the main node is worth taking, except for the first left one

[gusty bison]

Mid one is also v v good

[hollow turtle]

Eh. I'm not a keystone user. Though I will use it if I have the leftover points for what I'm buildign.

[astral blade]

#veteran-class this is the last announcement people pls do not give any trolls rations commodores ventures is already extremely low on rations and the the ogryns are still complaining

[hollow solstice]

I'd rather spec into something else tbh

[tender pasture]

mate the troll left a long while ago

[flint garden]

20% toughness for killing any random poxwalker is pretty good

[astral blade]

i know i just wanted to say it as a reminder

[tender pasture]

first left one is great with revolver

[frank ledge]

do NOT TAKE EXHILARATING TAKEDOWN

[tender pasture]

plasma doesn't really need it, one more precious point to use somewhere

[frank ledge]

DON'T DO IT

[hollow solstice]

Well my take on it is if that you're playing melee vet you can avoid toughness damage and general hits good enough to the point where the bonus toughness from poxs' are not required

[frank ledge]

It's extra damage you will take

[jade notch]

Still praying the next Hotfix will resolve the issue with Exhilarating Takedown 😔

[tender pasture]

it's going to be pretty hilarious once it's fixed though

[sharp ember]

DO IT
IT WILL BE FUNNY

[hollow turtle]

Would you rather have 33% toughness damage reduction+30% toughness replenish on elite kill, OR 20% ranged damage+25% toughness replenish on any headshot kills you make?

[sharp ember]

JUST OUTPACE THE INCREASED DAMAGE TAKEN WITH MORE HEADSHOTS

[jade notch]

https://tenor.com/view/road-to-el-dorado-both-gif-19018188

[tender pasture]

toughness damage reduction is multiplicative right?

[sharp ember]

yeah, no 100% toughness damage reduction i'm afraid

[delicate moat]

i has recorded a AM smoke run with melee vet, love me some melee vet

[sharp ember]

not totaled

[hollow turtle]

"Up to" is not "Per Ally"

[sharp ember]

it's 11% per ally, innit?

[hollow turtle]

Pretty much

[jade notch]

Yeah

[tender pasture]

still, between close order drill, exhilarating takedown, and iron will

[hollow solstice]

Damn, loner zealots be stealing my 11% TDR

[tender pasture]

loner zealots be stealing people's time tbqh

[hollow turtle]

Lol I'm always doing this

[frank ledge]

Avoid exhilerating takedown

[delicate moat]

exhausting takedown

[hollow turtle]

But sometimes I wonder if I can just save a point if I go left

[tender pasture]

it's the fuckwit alert aura

[hollow solstice]

training weights 😆

[hollow turtle]

Oh right. Its broken right now, rigth?

[hollow solstice]

yes

you take more damage with it

[delicate moat]

i think i've concluded by now that psword just doesn't vibe with me, dclaw is where it's at

[hollow turtle]

Shovel

[hollow solstice]

Power sword is good, but fuckkkkkk me if I wanna spam C everytime

well special activation

[vale ledge]

Should I let Hadron cook?

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/melee-combat-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-shovel-kill-him-gif-26550081

[delicate moat]

i'm ass at special activation and get interrupted quite often

[hollow solstice]

gonna get bricked

[delicate moat]

and then i fold like paper

[tender pasture]

which mark are you using?

[hollow solstice]

its usually just shove then activate

[vale ledge]

Melee

[hollow turtle]

And here I am just using a bleed knife

[delicate moat]

mk6, i have better luck with mk3

[vale ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[delicate moat]

in the run i recorded, im sure my teammates couldn't see shit

[hollow solstice]

Alright im off to bed, have fun fellow vet enjoyers

[hollow turtle]

Lol. It doesn't say RANGED power.

Can still technically be that melee assassin in the range tree.

[delicate moat]

hey melee range is still range

[tender pasture]

the wording on that is so jank

is it 20% weakspot power?

or is it 20% total power if you hit a weakspot?

[hollow turtle]

Essentially 20% bonus damage on weakspot hit.

[tender pasture]

huh, uncharacteristically generous

[hollow turtle]

Pair it with this which also doesn't say RANGED.

[delicate moat]

[sharp ember]

left side melee tree op

[tender pasture]

that one's easy to reach with a melee build

funny knife man time

[hollow turtle]

Lel.

[manic spear]

which verison of the hellbore rifle should i be rolling for?

[tender pasture]

also brutal momentum power sword I guess

[hollow turtle]

Mk 2 or 3

2 has a moderate fire rate like a Lasgun MG12. 3 hits hard.

[sharp ember]

entirely up to your preference
mk2: fast
mk1: medium (i use)
mk3: heavy

[hollow turtle]

Mk1 is the fast one isn't it?

[sharp ember]

in general, people have a bias for mk3 to get more surgical stacks in between shots, but i prefer mk1 for stabby bayonet

nah mk1 is the middle one

[jade notch]

The Mk1 and 2 Hellbores also have a Bayonet special that attacks and recovers fast, Mk3's bayonet is a slower swipe

[hollow turtle]

I'm bout to pull out my helbores here. e.e

[tender pasture]

vet larping an ogryn

[manic spear]

as i am a MG1A man i think the mk1 is my style lol

[stuck crystal]

So, how important is suppression immunity? I've been tinkering with my build and I hardly ever notice a difference

[sharp ember]

it's pretty nice when you don't wanna use mk3, but want more oomph than mk2

[jade notch]

It's handy when you run into half a dozen Gunners and a Shooter pack, more commonplace on Damnation and higher difficulties

[sharp ember]

depends on your gun, some guns are more resistant to suppression than others

[flint garden]

trying to land revolver shots on a gunner suppressing you

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, but getting shot at with immunity still throws off your aim a lot

[fathom edge]

almost

[sharp ember]

kantrael lasguns wobble everywhere, but lucius helbores are near unshakeable

[jade notch]

Really? That's something I never knew.

[stuck crystal]

I'll probably just take out the 2 points and grab something else...

[glad stump]

is this actually good i might try it

[stone birch]

on my helbore, I get pushed physically out of my line of fire before I stagger in ADS.

damned gunners...

[hollow turtle]

Give it a shot. It's my main build.

Just know its more ranged focus

You should only switch to your melee when you don't really have a choice.

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, that's what happens to me too. Makes me think the suppression immunity is a wasted talent

[hollow turtle]

I use a Lasgun IA with it

[glad stump]

do you take the purple or no

[hollow turtle]

The keystones? No

[glad stump]

ah i see might give it a go

[hollow turtle]

I would if I had points, but the keystones are just bonuses to the build if I could reach it.

[jade notch]

I predominantly used Kantrael Lasguns before this patch, so Suppression Immunity definitely helped.

But if Hellbores are pretty stable then I can probably switch over to Shock Trooper, thanks for the heads up 👍

[hollow turtle]

Let me get you the full tree.

[fathom edge]

savable?

[stone birch]

i dropped it for close order drill, since if you stay by your allies, you get 33% toughness damage reduction.

and asa marksman, tf are you away from them?

[stuck crystal]

I run my own weird Krak/VoC/Focus Target build with a focus on weakspot damage

[manic spear]

the boynet seems to have some crazy stagger to it

[glad stump]

im trying so hard with vet but the rework is just so bad as far as im concerned i just wend down mid before and with the new tree nothing seems worth it anymor

[jade notch]

Lucius Mk II Bayonet can stun Ragers with headshots, ye

[hollow turtle]

here's the full tree

[stuck crystal]

So I had to spend 2 points after Precision Strikes to get to the Suppression Immunity

[tender pasture]

melee vets eating well with the rework

[hollow turtle]

Now they are after they stopped complaining and went on finding a way to create a new broken build.

[stone birch]

sharpshooter vets still obliterate everything with helbores and plasma guns too

[stuck crystal]

I picked up the better medkits/crates and Charismatic now instead of grabbing Suppression Immunity

[tender pasture]

basically tried to recreate my old build immediately and gave weapon specialist a shot

[glad stump]

is there a reason why not the right tree or are the perks just 2 bad

[tender pasture]

but then again, psyker main and not wedded to the pew pew

[fathom edge]

80 damage bolters dont one shot fodder, interesting

[junior grail]

Right tree vet super fun

[tender pasture]

bolters have a shit infested damage mod

[hollow turtle]

Funny. This was my old build before the new tree. The only difference is not having the 25% bonus ogryn damage.

[manic spear]

is stabilty my dump stat on the hellbores?

[junior grail]

Yup

[delicate moat]

good, shooting trash with bolter should feel bad

[hollow turtle]

Yup

[stuck crystal]

I have one with a 'worse' charge rate, which mostly gets solved by Onslaught anyway

[stone birch]

deadshot makes up for any shortfalls, so yeah

[stuck crystal]

But yeah, ideally you'd go for lower stability or even ammo

I hardly ever have to pick up ammo for my MK3

[stone birch]

I can echo Pot Boy's experience

[hollow turtle]

Someone told me to go middle tree for helbore 3, but I'm not as sure about it anymore. Feels slow.

[tender pasture]

right tree is mostly melee buffs and the weapon specialist keystone doesn't fit the tastes of most of the vet base

[junior grail]

I like weapon specialist

[delicate estuary]

you do left side like a chad

for hellbore

[stuck crystal]

Focus Target is great for a Hellbore. Let the stacks accumulate while charging and right before the shot tag your target. Instant bonuses!

[frank ledge]

Mark bois unite

[tender pasture]

there's just about more of us than the ogryn can count

[small mauve]

hmm how should I deal with it? I know savage sweep + rampage is really good, but so is bloodletter + shred

[glad stump]

ima try it but it seems like its a waste using so many points just going somewhere ya know

[junior grail]

Current vet tree feels like a waste of points going anywhere

[hollow turtle]

Its worth it. These were my last 3 games with it.

[fathom edge]

why does boltor not do the same damage per shot, most of the time it one shots this shooter with damage to spare, sometimes it hits for 311 or so, all non crits

[sharp ember]

I suggest Bloodletter + Rampage, and if you want you can change Infested > Unyielding to really put the hurt on bosses when chainsawing their blood out

too bad bleed damage was slightly nerfed

[hollow turtle]

As the infil+low profile. You should be the one taking care of picking up people, popping armor with krak, and dealing with the machinery operation.

[tender pasture]

did you hit him in a limb

[glad stump]

how do you get this is it a mod im on xbox so sadly i cant get them cool for stats tho

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, it's a mod

[hollow turtle]

Aww. I'm sorry, m8.

[glad stump]

should be base game idk why it isnt

[tender pasture]

got removed to kill toxicity

[stuck crystal]

I feel sorry for the console players who are unable to put a sight on the hellbore

[tender pasture]

meanwhile the toxicity

[junior grail]

To avoid "toxic" players

[delicate moat]

toxic people being toxic

[junior grail]

Yea right

[tender pasture]

what kills these efforts IME is when they just cut away the easy routes for people to mald over

[stuck crystal]

tbh, VT2's scoreboard was just 'green circles go to the elf' anyway

[tender pasture]

instead of actively implementing incentives to be prosocial

[delicate moat]

unfortunately scoreboard just makes it slightly easier for toxic people to be toxic because "stats"

[tender pasture]

it's like companies going "we have diversity" when it's just a few token minorities they recycle for all their ad campaigns

[junior grail]

So deprive the entire community of a feature because of some bad eggs?

Good job, I suppose

[frank ledge]

I can be more toxic based on weapon at the start of the match

[stuck crystal]

Also, the scoreboard mod doesn't always work right anyway

[junior grail]

Hell, I still feel we should have friendly fire so people will learn to not stay in the firelane

[sharp ember]

i don't need it, i always know i'm the best

[stuck crystal]

Friends and I often compare and the stats are always different

[hollow turtle]

Lol okay. That was not what I expected.

[junior grail]

A very ogryn vet

[tender pasture]

the sub scores on the mod account for a lot of toxicity IME

people go "offensive score 199 "

[frank ledge]

Here we never have different stats, check who has a different version of the mod

[hollow turtle]

Was so caught off guard by the one shot, I paused by mistake.

[sharp ember]

imagine playing with trauma psykers and flamer zealots and rumbler ogryns with friendly fire

[stuck crystal]

All installed the same day

[small mauve]

I guess the default cleave is good enough to handle waves then? I would pair it with a plasma gun for now, so armored aren't really an issue, but long term I want to power sword + plasma, so keeping this chain sword able to deal with armored easily should be the best bet, so I can use it + lasgun or whatever and handle everything fairly well. So yeah keeping bloodletter sounds good for now I think

[frank ledge]

Odd, premade here we always have the same stats outside of coherency efficiency and stagger

[junior grail]

Its because it is account bound, if it was an implemented feature it would be the same as its by the server

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, we think it has something to do with coherency

[junior grail]

If someone disconnects halfway, the values change too

[delicate moat]

if it was implemented by fatshark it would be inconsistent AF

[junior grail]

You know what? You got me there

[sharp ember]

Rampage gives cleave because it's power too, it gets me through most horde situations unless there's mixed elites or incredibly dense

[tender pasture]

also hidden 50% damage rn

[junior grail]

Rampage still gives power?

[fathom edge]

what mod are you using for the sight? weapon customization mod seems to be gone

[fallen hamlet]

The veteran tree is to big to use or we get too few points to utilize the tree properly, but I’m mainly a psyker player so maybe I’m just biased

[junior grail]

I thought it was a bug bound for fixing

[tender pasture]

power as listed, and an unlisted damage buff

[stuck crystal]

It's not on NexusMods. It's on the Darktide Modders Discord

[small mauve]

and yeah then I can clear a bit with plasma and go back to the sword if needed. it sounds great, and I keep the flexibility to switch it to full armored/boss focused later on. Thanks a lot

[proven prairie]

first time ever asking this kinda question.... but i really like this gun, what do? perhaps swap infernus for weak spot damage? i truly just want to snipe elites/specials with it

[frank ledge]

4x scope gang

[junior grail]

Thats a big scope

[hollow turtle]

Its the weapon customization mod still.

[tender pasture]

so if you do use rampage, unless it's to juuust clear a breakpoint, don't count on it staying that way

[proven prairie]

i was just messing around in meat grinder haha, i don't use it

[frank ledge]

you should

it let's you see bulwark buttcrack at 80m

[tender pasture]

probs individual pimples tbh

[stuck crystal]

But you miss the Rager buttcrack at 80cm

[junior grail]

Nurgle skidmarks

[tender pasture]

"big man you need to exfoliate more"

[proven prairie]

the big scopes are very obstructive for me, variable zoom would be sick

[hollow turtle]

@glad stump Tell me how playing that build went later. I'm curious to see how it felt for you. It might be to my liking, but I know it doesn't mean you'd like it.

[frank ledge]

We got sound to avoid those thankfully

[tender pasture]

4x is taking the piss in the darktide context

[sharp ember]

oh does it actually change magnification

[proven prairie]

the mod does, yeah, there's 3 scopes that make it insane

[sharp ember]

personally i don't go for those kinds of mods

[junior grail]

That work 60% of the time

[tender pasture]

shots despawn well before the zoom is useful

[hollow turtle]

Yeah, the mod has 3 kitbashed 4x scopes.

[frank ledge]

Allegedly they work

[glad stump]

going good so far needs more toughness or something tho im still getting used to it

[tender pasture]

I just ended up slapping the laspistol scope on everything, it's the least obtrusive

[junior grail]

Its just an option. Like how fullauto mod allows helbores to be fired automatocally when fully charged.

I turned that one off

[proven prairie]

scope i use vs the... big one

[sharp ember]

same

[hollow turtle]

Yeah. I use a knife for it because it gives me more dodge so I don't have to rely on my toughness as much. Also, use the stealth if you have a spare charge on it to get your toughness back to 100 and reposition elsewhere.

[junior needle]

Infernus is quite bad on anything that isn't recon (rip). Also it was only mediocre on them at best even when they had longer crit strings. It's basically only ever boss damage and not that much on inf las.

You can get some value out of it if you take onslaught as the burn stacks it, but if you're doing a primarily precision one shot playstyle then definitely remove it. The k12 will also serve you better if you want the highest pool of possible one shots, although the 1a is also fine on that end.

[tender pasture]

the one scrimshaw's using is good for executioner's stance builds though

[junior grail]

Infernus Dumdum Laspistol ain't too bad

[sharp ember]

this is the aim zoom longlas wanters crave so they can't see anything at close-medium range

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that infernus only procs on crits and if you aren't crit fishing, you aren't even applying it to most targets, much less in enough quantity to get value from it.

[proven prairie]

with headhunter i see it proc enough, i figured it would be nice for boss damage

i'm running power sword but could switch to chain for boss help

[junior needle]

Thing is, you're killing most things in 1-2 headshots.

[delicate estuary]

How does right side keystone work. Do those stacks disappear every second of you wielding a weapon or what ?

[proven prairie]

yeah like i said, like boss damage or crushers in a pinch.. but tbh i'm not sure how much damage the burn realistically does over the course of a boss fight, like 30 a tick?

[junior needle]

It could proc on the first shot, but you only get a small amount of stacks (and low damage), and then the target will likely die to your second or third shot. Practical useless for most things and you can get much more value elsewhere.

[tender pasture]

headhunter / deadly accurate where it's available is a good one for boss work IME

[junior grail]

Swing swing swing BANG swing swing swing BANG

[proven prairie]

i haven't really played since release, so rolling blessings is sorta newish to me

[junior grail]

Rip Reroll Blessings Mod, you did good

[stuck crystal]

How the crafting system works is that you get a kickass base 380 grey, you upgrade it 3 times and now it's shit because it rolled 2 shit perks and a shit blessing

[tender pasture]

notice the three swing cadence, the exact number of powered swings you get off a Power Cycler IV Psword

[stuck crystal]

And sometimes you win the crafting lottery

[junior grail]

Nice

[hollow turtle]

And sometimes you think maybe you should buy a lottery ticket.

[junior grail]

0 stability, how is that possible

[stuck crystal]

That's my first ever hellbore, btw

[tender pasture]

ask fatshark's servers

[hollow turtle]

Lol Idk. Sheer luck.

[junior grail]

If that shotgun doesnt aim at yourself after the first shot, I'd be disappointed

[sharp ember]

a timer starts counting down the moment you switch weapons, and you have that long to use the buff before it's gone

[glad stump]

is this bugged cause thats funny

[hollow turtle]

This is it in rapid hip fire.

[delicate estuary]

thanks

[hollow turtle]

Not at all.

[stuck crystal]

Still have to finish this one. Probably go for Shred 4

[sharp ember]

let me check the bug report forum though, i heard it was bugged in a certain way

[glad stump]

how

[delicate estuary]

always rebless if you have a T3 or T2 at blue level

[sharp ember]

okay yeah it's currently bugged in that only the 1st shot gets the bonus crit chance

[hollow turtle]

I've seen some guns dump things down to 40-50% but when I saw it at 0%, even I laughed and said I was keeping it no matter what.

[delicate estuary]

ahh of course

makes sense

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, I just don't have Shred 4 yet

[delicate estuary]

[stuck crystal]

Before patch 13 I really didn't like vet, so I lack a lot of the blessings

[delicate estuary]

you could also gamble it and put another t4 blesssing or t3 blessing that can work on it instead if you dont have that many blessings

[sharp ember]

[delicate estuary]

catachan is shared amongst vet, psyker and zealot so you can use melk's shop to check for blessings if you have all the characters

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, but what zealot or psyker would use a Dclaw before patch 13?

Dclaw was a trash weapon

But yeah, I'm keeping my eyes peeled between my 4 non-Ogryns

[karmic musk]

I still find it trash, you really need the talent tree to boost it up

[delicate estuary]

saying that dclaw trash

[frank ledge]

it is

[junior needle]

DOT's are less effective against crushers, so unless you're running onslaught it has very little value for them (14 damage per tick). It's basically only useful for onslaught stacking, and that's for a more bodyshot oriented lazyman playstyle.

Bosses should be about 201~ damage per tick at full stacks with infernus 4, less if you have infernus 3.

[frank ledge]

if you don't spec into it

[delicate estuary]

I guess people dont enjoy 3-4 shotting a crusher

[stuck crystal]

I hardly specced into melee

I just have Precision Strikes

[frank ledge]

Psword 3 shots it with less time to kill.

[stuck crystal]

It clears trash

[frank ledge]

Do does psword

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, but Psword has to activate every few swings

[delicate estuary]

I guess you are not aware of the parry mechanic

[frank ledge]

So?

[stuck crystal]

And Dclaw just goes brrrrrrrrrr

[tender pasture]

don't need parry when you have sunder

[frank ledge]

Pretty irrelevant when dclaw already has great dodges

[tender pasture]

sunder just cleaves everything including bulwark shield

[junior grail]

Which is prefered, Sunder or Bromentum?

[tender pasture]

fukin runefang in 40k

[wanton dawn]

If you don't know, sunder is the safer option

[tender pasture]

sunder for CCing the death mobs, bromentum or slaughterer for general use

[frank ledge]

I just know what the scoreboard says and damage with lsword/dclaw is lower than psword over 20 matches each

[wanton dawn]

Problem with sunder might be that it teaches bad habits

[junior grail]

Like swinging wildly at Bulwarks?

[stuck crystal]

I just know that I don't care about the scoreboard and play what I enjoy, as long as I'm not hindering the team

[delicate estuary]

you can legit shoot bulwarks

just need to be patient

[blazing veldt]

dclaw is trash until you boost it with the talent tree and it suddenly becomes your favorite sword

[wanton dawn]

Like assuming that every weapon can stagger everything in mixed horde

[stuck crystal]

It doesn't matter if I kill chaff with 1 or 1000 overkill damage. It's dead

[tender pasture]

fair point

[stuck crystal]

And for anything Carapace I use the Hellbore

Or my Kraks

[delicate estuary]

too bad azreal is not here to prove a point about devils claw I forgot to save that clip and I am not scrolling through 1000s of messages

[tender pasture]

tried to target my parries yesterday and got bushwhacked by a fat ninja

[frank ledge]

Still prefer psword, specially to deal with mass elites in auric.

[tender pasture]

usually I just block and wait for the noise to hit parry

[junior grail]

Imagine every weapon has a Sunder equivalent haha

[delicate estuary]

just gotta practice

[blazing veldt]

I just like the dodge distance and parry on dclaw

[tender pasture]

yeah used to zealot dclaw

[delicate estuary]

PS6 currently is too good if you can manage the low mobility but dclaw and shovel are both solid choices

[tender pasture]

dclaw on zealot was also fantastic for feeding bleed

[sharp ember]

i wish we had other options as good as ps6 for krumping crushers in melee

[terse idol]

Mk2 axe is appearently also

Very mabe broken

[terse idol]

axe

[delicate estuary]

its fine not to have said options

[tender pasture]

synergizes well with ogryn

[delicate estuary]

not being able to deal withe verything is not a bad thing

[sharp ember]

doesn't krump as fast, stunlocks sure but doesn't kill as fast

[junior grail]

Caxe or Taxe

[terse idol]

It ain't the stunlock

Uh

Let's see the logs 🥹

[astral blade]

hey question whats that one cosmetic for the vet that has the jacket on the outside and the armor on the inside

[terse idol]

I forgor

[tender pasture]

the tanker jacket one

[terse idol]

caxe 2

[junior grail]

Yea that's good

[stuck crystal]

I just know my build can deal with pretty much everything between the blitz, ability and weapons

If it works, it works

[astral blade]

yeah that tanker one

[sharp ember]

mainly focused on killing crushers, ignoring that powerswords are an omnitool that handle anything

[stuck crystal]

Oh, and I feed the team toughness and ammo while doing it

[sharp ember]

what's so special about mk2 caxe?

[delicate estuary]

they kind of do atm if you can manage the low mobility

[sharp ember]

axes seem pretty samey

[terse idol]

time to test it

Appearently the damage is Too good

least

That's what I keep hearing here

could ask Azreal when he's on

[stuck crystal]

Probably moveset. I know MK5 used to be the best one because of moveset, but a lot has changed...

[tender pasture]

Tanker's Battlegear (Cadian 802nd)

[kind scarab]

Ezpz Az spams left click with it

[astral blade]

yeah the tanker battle gear

that shit looks awesome

[junior needle]

Rashad has finesse and antax doesn't

That's why it's better

[tender pasture]

yeah was a risky cop but I'm glad I got that

because the commissar one is questionable

looks like a child wearing dad's 90s suit

[topaz lance]

Both tanker sets are great

even the black/green one with the goofy pauldron

its 40k after all eh

[fathom edge]

did you have to do anything special to get that working? i installed the 3 parts, for the drip, customization/mtstuff and loaded it in the order it says to now i get crash when i load past main menu and a big error dump

[terse idol]

Is it like, Decimator that's broke on the caxe 2?

With decap?

[stuck crystal]

I have a bunch of mods installed and they work fine. I'll check my load order

[hollow turtle]

I don't use the mt stff

[stuck crystal]

animation_events
NumericUI
scoreboard
reveal_blessings
ItemSorting
BetterMelk
KillfeedImprovements
weapon_customization
true_level

[astral blade]

will the tanker battlegear ever come back into roatation for the commodores ventures

[stuck crystal]

That's my load order

[hollow turtle]

Lol here's mine.

==================================================================================================
[WARNING] AML IS MANAGING MOD LIST AND LOAD ORDER: PLEASE REPORT ANY LOADING-RELATED ERRORS TO AML
AML IGNORES mod_load_order.txt and loads all valid mod folders in a correct order automatically
To disable a mod, disable it in Vortex, prepend an underscore to its name, remove, or delete it

Preloading mod metadata..
Final load order:
1:'dmf'
2:'animation_events'
3:'barter_with_hadron'
4:'BetterFireGrenade'
5:'BetterMelk'
6:'book_finder'
7:'buy_until_rating'
8:'ChatBlock'
9:'creature_spawner'
10:'crosshairs_fix'
11:'crosshair_remap'
12:'DarkCache'
13:'DirectToHadron'
14:'DynamicCrosshair'
15:'EquippedIconPlus'
16:'fancy_bots'
17:'ForTheEmperor'
18:'for_the_drip'
19:'FullAuto'
20:'hub_hotkey_menus'
21:'Inventory2D'
22:'InventoryStats'
23:'ItemSorting'
24:'KeepSwinging'
25:'KillfeedImprovements'
26:'LookAround'
27:'minimap'
28:'ModificationIconColor'
29:'more_characters_and_loadouts'
30:'MuteInBackground'
31:'MyFavorites'
32:'name_it'
33:'no_dodge_jump'
34:'NumericUI'
35:'Perspectives'
36:'PlayerOutlines'
37:'PreferAuric'
38:'quickest_play'
39:'QuickLookCard'
40:'range_finder'
41:'ReorderChars'
42:'reveal_blessings'
43:'scoreboard'
44:'smaller_talent_tree'
45:'SoloPlay'
46:'SortBrunt'
47:'sorted_mission_grid'
48:'Speak Up'
49:'TalentRefundBelow'
50:'ToggleHUD'
51:'TrueSoloQoL'
52:'ui_extension'
53:'weapon_customization'
54:'weapon_fov'
55:'who_are_you'
56:'WillOfTheEmperor'
Returning control to DML

Oh shit, it's over 50. I undercounted.

[astral blade]

HOLY SHIT thats allot

[stuck crystal]

A lot of those mods just do a very small thing though

[hollow turtle]

I'm reading over it right now, and no. I don't feel the need to get rid of any of them.

[terse idol]

yoo hold on, tanker pants

Prosthetic so cool

[urban steppe]

better remove that anime light on a scope , you can do that in mod option settings {

[astral blade]

for the drip mod where can i find that

[hollow turtle]

Its also in the darktide modders discord; just like the weapon customization mod.

[hollow turtle]

Thought about it. Not too sure.

[junior grail]

I download Mez's mod pack and Weapon Customisation mod

[karmic musk]

Weapon Customization mod made my weapons disappear every few matches, uninstalled it bleh

[terse idol]

hmmmm

yeah, I like the idea, but man it's tough

[urban steppe]

1 more day without free cosmetics

[junior grail]

The latest one?

[urban steppe]

[junior grail]

Is this the pc exclusive free cosmetics?

[karmic musk]

The latest at the time, the dude uploads a new version everyday changing some insignificant thing

[urban steppe]

yeh

[terse idol]

The vanguard pack ye

[kind ore]

hello everyone. I am new to veteran. I am an ogryn main. But I try building up a columnus. I only have a good plasma and laspistol now and a meh kantrael before patch.

What should I change on this columnus?

[hollow turtle]

It's somewhat broken as far as I know. Sometimes the gun is locked and I can't customize it, or the barrel for some reason changes in my first mission upon starting the game, and I have to fix it after.

[junior grail]

Yea this ...is a bit of an issue I admit, hard to find a stable version usually

[hollow turtle]

Lately, I've found a crash related to it in my console logs.

[urban steppe]

get agripina

[terse idol]

@hollow turtle Hmmmmm
I just kinda wished there was more Prosthetics

like maybe a hand one

[junior grail]

Once i get a stable Weapons Customisation mod I stick with it without updating as long as I can

[delicate estuary]

its kind of borked cause you rolled 2 shit perks and 1 shit blessing

[kind ore]

whats the differece

[hollow turtle]

Said no BFV player ever.

[urban steppe]

range attack more dps

[junior grail]

Why does he remind me of the XWing pilot from Mandalorian

[terse idol]

I mean, yeah

[topaz lance]

Hm, you know what I can see them doing? Release the sets as the standard rotation on the 30th and just give all eligible players free sets at the same time.

[kind ore]

What perks and blessings should I be looking out for?

[fathom edge]

must be some conflict with something in mez mod pack, cause i crash at end of loading with weapon customization

[delicate estuary]

I guess you could replace sprint efficiency with maniac and terrifying barrage for weakspot damage on 3rd or 4th shot in a salvo

[urban steppe]

seems like that , but they said after 17 nov you can find them in intevoty so yeh

[astral blade]

gonna assume the for the drip mod hasn't being updated?

[delicate moat]

https://youtu.be/vPlRMEuEl54?si=qlY7QVAgiTmxWelO I has a smoke run with melee vet recorded my teammates probably couldn't see shit (excuse the audio idk why it's scuffed)

[safe quiver]

So revolver (which is my fav gun) isnt that good on veteran ? Or am i wrong ?

[terse idol]

is very good

[urban steppe]

better to gib him agripina

[karmic musk]

Replace Terrifying Barrage with Stripped Down, go Melee vet

[kind ore]

Which perks and blessing combination should I look for an autogun? Columnus or agripinaa

[hollow turtle]

Never had to update in the longest time.

Still works fine

[delicate estuary]

no idea about agripina but flak and maniac is fairly standard on colomnus

[hollow turtle]

Current GoTo appearance using "For the Drip" mod.

[safe quiver]

Care to explain ? Because after i used another build with plasma and fire shoty it felt more complimenting to the vet

[terse idol]

iirc, weapon spec goes very well with revolver using it to reload from reserve ammo, and revolver is just very strong

b/c of hand cannon and surgical

[delicate estuary]

well given the fact revolver can 1 or 2 shot a crusher

I would say its fairly strong

[delicate moat]

you don't even necessarily need to do anything special for revolvo and it's still pretty darn strong

[topaz lance]

Revolver can one shot literally every enemy in the game if built correctly, while also grabbing all tax nodes on the tree.

+25% ammo, deadshot. Revolver vet is very strong

[amber portal]

well there goes all my luck

[crude wind]

nice

Uncanny Strike at the ready

[safe quiver]

U have build to share ?

[crude wind]

this weapon fucking slaps now lol

[topaz lance]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa06a41-93c9-4c37-8330-1f8453296fac/revolvet-20
One shots everything under exe stance.
mind you this is only my way of building it, there's also builds with more of the middle path.

[elfin fable]

anyone mind sharing a good bolter build rn?

[low wadi]

is knife bad?

[kind ore]

Like this?

[hollow turtle]

Lol no. Just the person holding it is.

[fathom edge]

yeah i cant seem to get this working, wonder if it works on its own without mez

[delicate estuary]

yea thats good but replace fire frenze for the weakspot blessing instead

good synergy with dum dum

[hollow turtle]

Man. Why am I crashing so much this update.

[low wadi]

was that to me?

[delicate estuary]

this one

[low wadi]

i have this but i just cant get the feel for it

[kind ore]

if only I could aim for heads

sadge

[sinful sedge]

This thing rips through so much, love it:

[wanton dawn]

Man that was hard

[karmic musk]

Thats why you go Stripped Down instead of Weak Spot blessing

[topaz lance]

light spam can carry you with cs

[delicate estuary]

not sure then

just test things out and see what works

[low wadi]

whenever i pickup melee as vet i just keep wondering why im not zealot

[karmic musk]

Because Zealot dont get Power Swords

[low wadi]

we dont even get powerswords

tried to roll one for 1000000 money yesterday

[sharp ember]

dat supercharge

or was it sunder

whatever the cleave one is

[wanton dawn]

sunder

[sharp ember]

it's just like pre-nerf psword

minus the 11 charged swings

[karmic musk]

Something tells me you have unrealistic expectations, just take a ~340 PSword, slap Power Cycler 1 on it and its a god tier weapon

[amber portal]

pc 4 is a bigg difference tho

[karmic musk]

Its luxury

All your good combos use two swings

[low wadi]

?

[wanton dawn]

good stuff

[amber portal]

3 swings takes out specials consistenly

especially in mixed horde

[karmic musk]

I do fine with just 2

Waiting for PC4 to appear randomly is unrealistic

[low wadi]

is that sword good enough

[sharp ember]

i mean yeah better is better, not much to talk about in this conversation

[karmic musk]

It is

[sharp ember]

that remains to be seen with upgrades

[amber portal]

pc 3 vs pc 4 is a big power spike after just getting it recently

[low wadi]

[karmic musk]

Even if it gets shit perks, if you put Power Cycler 3 and Brutal Momentum, its still going to slap

There you have it

[fathom edge]

ive been putting near all my extra resources into PC 4 and still havent gotten it, i think ive rolled at least 20 swords by now

[sharp ember]

good start

[delicate moat]

dats the authentic veteran experience

[amber portal]

damn thats a lot of platsteel

oops

[low wadi]

so just swap rampage to brutal and bblock to flak?

[karmic musk]

yeap

[amber portal]

if thats your in between sword you could get away with the block eff and just save that slot of pc4

[low wadi]

to late

[amber portal]

eh just a suggestion

[fathom edge]

so whats this broken melee build people have maybe been mentioning?

[low wadi]

the one with revo i guess

[karmic musk]

More like Revolver is broken

[amber portal]

surgical

is

gaurenteed crit is stupid on it

[fathom edge]

so has anything actually changed with it?

other than keystone

[amber portal]

recent patch gave it a damage buff

but then again all enemy health was increased

[fathom edge]

i mean like

most recent patch

[amber portal]

not really

[delicate moat]

melee vet is just very fun :3

[sharp ember]

nothing that affected the main reasons it was already good

[amber portal]

if you ever wanted a bolter just take a revo lol

[fathom edge]

oh, way some people mentioned it i thought there was some newly busted thing

[karmic musk]

Time for Bolter to get a mag size increase and more ammo

[delicate moat]

it's pretty balanced and not busted, if anything it's cuz the revolvo is busted

[sharp ember]

well there's revolver keystone juggling to reload it in between melee kills

[amber portal]

ah ranged specialist

i just noticed that with my shotgun

[sharp ember]

but nothing directly affecting revolver like you wanted

[low wadi]

how many energized hits is there? 2?

[flint garden]

the power of rounding up

[amber portal]

its pretty handy

[karmic musk]

2 with PC3, 3 with PC4

[stone birch]

-sigh- pubs rushing to their deaths. not much new I guess there.

[minor brook]

is power sword 6 or 3 the good one now

[karmic musk]

If you get staggered or cancel, you lose the charge

[amber portal]

both are good

[karmic musk]

6 is better

[frank ether]

I'd say pogryn helped you in that fight

[amber portal]

6 has some hidden modifiers and a really good push block attack

[minor brook]

sick

[amber portal]

but both melt

[minor brook]

i just got dropped a rampage 3 power sword 6

epic

[elder vessel]

They should make smokes work like flashbangs

[karmic musk]

its kinda not a thing without power cycler

[minor brook]

do you guys like columnus 5?

[karmic musk]

which is a case for Power Cycler to just be built in

[minor brook]

i like the damage but theres so much reloading with the weapon

[fathom edge]

i miss release PSs, when it was a timer so youd get 2-3 swings

[minor brook]

and the recoil is kinda annoying if you go for headshots

[amber portal]

slaughterer is bettter than rampange cause its power and not just an increase to damage

[sharp ember]

i think a flare throwable that blinded shooters and exposed nearby enemies to increased damage would be kinda sick

[amber portal]

typically power blessings are better than straight damage

[karmic musk]

Would have been better than the team griefing smoke nade we got

[terse idol]

loook it's not team "griefing"

It's tactical repositioning

[delicate moat]

exactly

[karmic musk]

[terse idol]

[sharp ember]

the way that smoke grenade can actually be used wrong and make things worse

compared to simple EXPLOSIONS

[amber portal]

so a better vet tag

[tender pasture]

bleach grenade

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-t-rex-flare-dinosaur-rawr-gif-3297825

[tender pasture]

clean up the fucking slime trail on the ground from a beast of nurgle

[sharp ember]

chucking flares at the BoN

[elder vessel]

Put enemies in the cloud in a coughing fit

[amber portal]

give zealots a standard issue mop thats only horizontal sweeps at the legs and a special that only cleans up slime lol

[tender pasture]

actually fuck, fire extinguishing nade

[minor brook]

what are the weapons that can give me an edge in auric maelstrom?

guessing plasma is on the list

[delicate moat]

your skills

[minor brook]

because that gun is nuts

[amber portal]

be a crusher zealot

[terse idol]

the way I see it, though, FS doesn't like it when we remove

[delicate estuary]

game is easy enough to make anything work 😎

[terse idol]

Enemy effects

[minor brook]

oh yea im only asking because im ass lol

[terse idol]

I don't even think there was something like that in V2

[delicate estuary]

but if you want chill not much neuron activation required

just do plasma

[tender pasture]

yeah it's not a thing, just throwing funny ideas out there

[terse idol]

oh no yeah

[minor brook]

any guns that are fun to use

[terse idol]

I think everyone who uses smoke Including me
wants the smoke to

[minor brook]

im trying to make a columnus build work

[terse idol]

Actually Work

Like you know

Block snipers

[minor brook]

but idk if im mucking up my build or something

[tender pasture]

basically mobile cover

[minor brook]

because ive seen clips of vets absolutely demolish with the thing

[delicate estuary]

snipers have thermal vision 🤓

[minor brook]

and i can’t match them for my life

[amber portal]

i dont think we should still perpetuate that anything works because the average player base doesnt meet the skill floor for that

[terse idol]

The imperium has not developed anti-IR smokes

[delicate estuary]

ofc they havent

do you see a speedloader

like

anywhere

for the revolver

because I dont

[karmic musk]

Discord degenerate perspective "Game is too ez just go whatever"

[junior needle]

What seems to be the issue

[delicate moat]

like recon lasgun but not built for crits and hits bodyshots mostly

[terse idol]

The mechanicus has viewed speed loaders heretical

[minor brook]

is it supposed to be a headshot weapon or something

[terse idol]

Can't just... throw away the speed loader

[karmic musk]

It is a mobile close range weapon

[minor brook]

it does really good damage but i have to spend so much time reloading

[karmic musk]

Its a vehicle to bring you to melee range while still having the ability to do medium range shootouts

[delicate estuary]

thats why I said plasma

[junior needle]

Considering the lines low finesse and smallest crit strings in the game currently, it's not exactly built for crits either

[minor brook]

like i can kill a mauler and then i have to reload before i can kill another

[delicate moat]

well there's your problem

[terse idol]

depends on what you got on yer gun

I suppose

[junior needle]

Yes, the IAG's actually have massive finesse modifiers

[minor brook]

im running dum dum and something that gives me more damage after i get a close range kill

[karmic musk]

Maulers have a Carapace head unless you have rending you best shoot at their body

[minor brook]

maybe i should try and get a high 70s columnus

[karmic musk]

and yes nth wrong with reloading after killing 1/2

[minor brook]

69% stability is kinda hard for me still

[junior needle]

It's still unstable when moving even with 80%

[karmic musk]

pretty sure stability is the 2nd dump stat after mobility

[terse idol]

[minor brook]

oh

[junior needle]

The trick is to stop moving when firing apparently

[minor brook]

maybe the trick is to get good

[delicate moat]

also try bursting

[karmic musk]

If you have problem with reload then why dont you take the reload feat?

You kill one, reload fast kill another

[minor brook]

i have a lot of respect now for the gamerlords who absolutely demolish with it

[wanton dawn]

Yes

But if i remove it it is no longer chaos ogryn grandslam

[junior needle]

It's really not that difficult, the gun is extremely high tuned. Here's talentless.

took less than half a mag

[wanton dawn]

I tried with spawn but it is still a bit too ambitious right now

Doable but it will take me dozens of tries and I have other things to do with my life

[junior needle]

from 15m

[terse idol]

you'll figure it out

[delicate estuary]

need to try columnus with exe stance and tag keystone but not sure there is a lot of points for that

[wanton dawn]

In any case, can veteran handle 10 crushers. 2 bulwakrs and 1 plogryn at the same time with a sword and an angry voice ? Yes

[hollow turtle]

If equipped right? No Problem

[bold sierra]

Is exhilarating takedown still bugged

[delicate moat]

yes

[wanton dawn]

[bold sierra]

fuck

[hollow turtle]

Yup. I think I took it by mistake yesterday when I was playing a supporting sniper. Bad idea.

[delicate moat]

well, you need to take it for the glass cannon roleplay

[hollow turtle]

Not wrong there.

[delicate moat]

I tried a tree without iron will yesterday.

Bad idea.

[wanton dawn]

It is actually very fitting: killing is bad and you should feel bad

[karmic musk]

Should just make Iron Will a mandatory node

[delicate moat]

just make it class base at this point

[delicate estuary]

I dont run iron will and its fine

[wanton dawn]

I run iron will and it is fine too

[hollow turtle]

"This is a Christian gaming community."

[bold sierra]

in shop

[solemn niche]

go for it

[karmic musk]

technically true since Big E is jesus and god

[hollow turtle]

Lol

[low wadi]

im still addicted to braced autogun

[solemn niche]

try yolumnus it s easiest way to quit the autogun addiction

[karmic musk]

but thats another autogun

[delicate moat]

[low wadi]

[solemn niche]

ogryn chair throw

[bold sierra]

WHY ARE ALL THE HIGH ROLLS I GET LOW DAMAGE

[low wadi]

thats why u use laminated glass at schools

[delicate moat]

chair has 50% rending

[bold sierra]

chair with 20% carapace 1shots crushers

[karmic musk]

[low wadi]

wich one

[solemn niche]

theres more than one ?

[delicate moat]

col 2 is the braced one right

[delicate moat]

columnus v

[solemn niche]

braced is 2 vraks and 1 agripinaa

theres no braced columnus

[karmic musk]

there is tho

vraks is headhunter

[solemn niche]

I confused braced with headhunter