veteran-class

[delicate moat]

hey is that where all the ammo bags went

[hybrid token]

now thats ammo efficiency

[bitter turtle]

like how do you even shoot things when you have to switch to melee every 3 seconds lmao

on helbore i mean

[polar pagoda]

Man Im really enjoying smoke grenades build with exec stance, cant believe people are hating on it

[small mauve]

does it? I do not really struggle ammo wise, but I only do left clicks, very rarely charged shots

[gusty bison]

You bayo

[hollow turtle]

No. Ammo efficiency is shooting the barrel at the edge while an 'ally' is next to it so they stop taking all the ammo.

[delicate moat]

you can dodge, block + shove to make a bit of breathing room, which gives u an opportunity to shoot

[gusty bison]

Basically either you are sitting back and are only shooting elites/specials, or you are taking the lion share of ammo on plasma

[hybrid token]

if you run out of ammo on any gun in this game youre just not exploring enough

theres more than enough ammo to just left click forever

ammo economy is fake

[gusty bison]

Theres more than enough ammo for one person to left click forever

[wise bridge]

or you have teammates that shoot once and pick up a big ammo or ammo pack charge

and run in front of you to grab all of them

[sleek cairn]

If i want columnus, I choose gun psyker.

if i wanted to use voidstrike staff, i choose plasma vet. <- this is Dragonlily to me

it's like a cultural exchange

[wise bridge]

then complain for the entire rest of the mission when you point it out

[hybrid token]

if my team mates want to take my Divinely Appointed ammo packs then they can live without my survivalist

[wise bridge]

plasma pens a lot more than void doesn't it?

[delicate moat]

i think they might fare better without you (lol)

[sleek cairn]

that's the joke. Cuz Columnus is better on psyker too

[gusty bison]

But yea atm plasma is the least ammo efficient vet gun (for good reason)

[hybrid token]

i spend all day dragging pugs to the end of maelstroms,

i am a generous god

[delicate moat]

[hybrid token]

[gusty bison]

In exchange it gains the ability to delete the highest priority most dangerous threats in a button press

[stoic jetty]

New to Vet, what ranged weapons are ideal right now? Is it still Plasma?

[sleek cairn]

dont forget shooting through pillars

[gusty bison]

Theres like a shit ton of them

[wise bridge]

half the point of plasma is that its quickdraw so you can swap between melee and plasma quickly

[gusty bison]

Just grab anything not the recon that jives with you

[sleek cairn]

ppl forget plasma can shoot through walls like Counter strike

[stoic jetty]

I know, it's crazy. Any particular recommend?

[umbral scaffold]

what perks are wanted on shovel?

[delicate moat]

a lot of weapons are viable, plasma, revolver, infantry autoguns, braced autoguns

[stoic jetty]

Gotcha

[sleek cairn]

i just stare at a pillar n shoot snipers

[umbral scaffold]

flakiac?

[gusty bison]

Whats your playstyle

[stoic jetty]

Typically single shot rifles in games like this

[delicate moat]

melee

[wise bridge]

not two button presses? rmb+lmb?

[gusty bison]

Vraks 7

[hybrid token]

everything is good except recon

[delicate moat]

headhunters should serve u well yeah

[stoic jetty]

Thanks man

[gusty bison]

Generally the dangerous shit is ragers or specials

so a LMB to the head works

[sleek cairn]

plasma vets unbind their rmb.

[hybrid token]

ragers can be one shot

with left clicks

[wise bridge]

mutants most dangerous imo 🤣

[hollow turtle]

Well, let's put it this way.
Bounty Hunter Saltzpyre, Outcast Engineer Bardin, Huntsman Kruber, Waywatcher Kerillian. Take a wild guess what my go to playstyle is. 😆

[gusty bison]

Elf main >:P

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

No..

[hybrid token]

charge shot needs to do more damage than 3 left clicks for the same ammo or itll never be useful

[sleek cairn]

instead, the typical plasma vet will rebind rmb to lmb. and install full auto mod.

[hybrid token]

it should be more ammo efficient but its not

[small mauve]

really? I want to believe you as I'm not knowledgeable at the game, but the 4-5 games I've done so far with the plasma I was not struggling much with ammo, I was not starving my friends ammo wise I feel like. I was playing high intensity tho, so I guess I got more ammo out of survivalist then if I weren't. But yeah I was trying to run with the most damage in the tree as to one shot as many elites as possible, and thus using less ammo

[delicate moat]

plasma eats ammo

[meager plume]

Does Voice of Command "Only in Death.." trigger "Leave No One Behind" damage reduction?

[gusty bison]

Generally speaking if you are using plasma only vs elites and specials predominantly its fine on ammo. But in that case you will be meleeing a lot more

[nimble sentinel]

reading this now cause I was in an auric, coincidentally one of the other vets was rocking smokes and doing phenomenal with them. You + that dude have sold me ❤️

[pseudo canyon]

There a site where I can check out good up to date Veteran builds? Similar to how icy veins has for diablo and stuff for example? Lol

[gusty bison]

Its why Plasma likes to do the swap playstyle. You use melee for everything not an elite or special

[hollow turtle]

I'd like to know how to be a good smoke vet.

Without the melee part.

[delicate moat]

ah yes, that's the neat part

you don't

[small mauve]

well tbf I was playing with a friend that is really good at the game, and that loves to decimate waves, so I guess I had to shoot way less normal enemies than I would have with "normal" teammates

[hollow turtle]

Damn it. Lol

[wise bridge]

you could check the discord thread in this channel. idk quality but theyre generally new builds

[delicate moat]

(okay but like, you don't have to be that good at melee)

[gusty bison]

That would be why.

[hollow turtle]

I'm great at melee. I just like sitting back and shooting.

[pseudo canyon]

Oh snap, I forgot about threads completely. Thank you :)))

[sleek cairn]

you have seen the way. Now remember, we grab smokes because we happen to want the high value nodes surrounding it too. It isn't the primary goal lol

[small mauve]

would you have any tree suggestion then? for a conventional plasma build

[forest maple]

What perks for revolver?

[kind scarab]

Mani+Cara

[nimble sentinel]

quick question: dows this work for all kills or just melee?

[forest maple]

ty

[gusty bison]

Conventional being using melee as part of your routine?

[umbral scaffold]

all

[kind scarab]

all

[gusty bison]

Theres two main builds atm, center and right

[nimble sentinel]

fuckin' A

[kind scarab]

You can also use left tree easily if you don't have the aim of a preteen

[sleek cairn]

i dont know what to think of this. My preteen self had better aim

[kind scarab]

Just be sure to use the Camo subnode, so it's not generally annoying

[delicate moat]

I'm sure some of them are cracked

[wise bridge]

ammo really depends on team comp and the ai director. and playing with friends is a totally different story than playing with pugs

[nimble sentinel]

my aim transcends preteen, I can pop domes by vibes alone

[sleek cairn]

seriously, if ppl consider esports, they're usually pretty good aim in their preteens

[meager plume]

Left is fine especially if you rock a decent revolver.

[nimble sentinel]

I learned vet with an unmodded, unsighted hellbore

[sleek cairn]

I cannot compare to preteens

[small mauve]

yes, trying to maximise the oneshot potential of the plasma gun for elites. Kinda like how I was playing revolver then, just use it for specials

[kind scarab]

As someone who works as a teacher. I can confirm most preteens can't aim for shit

[tight dragon]

welp, wasn't an upgrade after all, i'll just try getting better bars and dumdum IV + t4 perks

[kind scarab]

It's the teens who get cracked aim

[delicate moat]

I can't not shoot all the ranged enemies

[sleek cairn]

hot damn. what a burn

do u let the kids know

[delicate moat]

if I don't deal with them in pubs, no one is dealing with them it feels like

[forest maple]

Where can i find posted builds?

[wise bridge]

would have thought that 24/7 forkknife would have made them pros

[sleek cairn]

do you let them know about their shit aim

[kind scarab]

Nah

[delicate moat]

gameslantern has some reasonable ones

[forest maple]

ty

[nimble sentinel]

there's a thread for that in this channel, and games lantern

[kind scarab]

We were all little kids at one point that couldn't aim for shit.

[umbral scaffold]

do u let them know about your fursona

[forest maple]

Where in this channel?

[kind scarab]

I just tell them to keep working on it

[nimble sentinel]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835044006232215

[kind scarab]

They don't even know I use discord

[forest maple]

ty

[kind scarab]

Last thing I want is to deal with them on the internet

[umbral scaffold]

i think you should keep it that way

[kind scarab]

100%

[sleek cairn]

you better take that secret to the grave

[umbral scaffold]

kids will fuck with you in any way they can

[kind scarab]

My guy, do you forget we all went to school as kids.

We all know kids can be savages.

[sleek cairn]

once they get some aimlab hours in, a bit of valorant and a few battle royales, they'll come back for u Doc

[umbral scaffold]

some kids are worse than others

ive heard stories about kids making teachers cry and have no remorse

i could never

[kind scarab]

Can confirm, I was one of the worse ones.

[sleek cairn]

they'll make Doc cry for sure

[kind scarab]

I roasted a teacher so hard they got fired. But to be fair, they deserved it.

[umbral scaffold]

theyll bully him for being a furry

[sleek cairn]

uh

i dont think kids are about that nowadays

[wise bridge]

tell that to their parents

[kind scarab]

They were teaching us some basic level math, and after grading my test, failed me despite having most of the answers correct.

I took it to the principal who hired them, pointed out all the mistakes, and said. Look, if a 6th grader is doing their job better than them, they prolly shouldn't be teaching.

And we never saw that teacher again.

[wise bridge]

lmao

looks like they self-owned tbh

you just disputed your grade

[gusty bison]

Two main options

Plasma Center
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa48c45-463c-4c0b-9001-ab675cb3c44e/plasma-center

Plasma Right
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa48d85-7838-45c8-a7ee-cbf89b65f867/plasma-right

[delicate moat]

plasma political compass be like

[sleek cairn]

Plasma center is really smooth

[delicate moat]

yeah plasma center is really nice

[sleek cairn]

like it feels nice. Plasma right works too but everytime u swap u get a slight delay before u fire

[tight dragon]

might just get raking fire/dumdum on my columnus actually, deathspitter feels kinda meh

[small mauve]

thanks I'll have a look as soon as I'm done eating, thank you very much for the help

[delicate moat]

oh btw, does the medipack perk thing consume extra medipack charge to heal corruption/toughness?

[kind scarab]

No

[delicate moat]

wtf no more party?

[sleek cairn]

but it does fking run out faster with bad teammates

[kind scarab]

That was birthday art, I was just too lazy to change it

(almost half a year, lazy)

[wise bridge]

does one ogryn still consume all of it with health left over to heal

[kind scarab]

Yes

[sleek cairn]

like one bad teammate can suck the juice out of ur medpack before it distributes properly amongst the others. Thanks to that point

[kind scarab]

Yeah, I have no idea why they reduced the number of medpacks+crates through the whole mission

Like, bruh, stop nerf'ing vet node value you bastards

[wise bridge]

do downed still suck all of it dry too? (they have 1k health)

[kind scarab]

Think so, yes

[gusty bison]

Yes but at a reduced rate

[delicate moat]

they certainly didn't feel excessive, idk why they reduced it considering spawn director is cracked this patch

[gusty bison]

Downed players are healed at 30% rate

[wise bridge]

oh nice

i was noticing it didnt just disappear immediately anymore

[sleek cairn]

lol

[nimble sentinel]

any thoughts on where to put the last point, or places where I fucked up with this build? I haven't touched the right tree since patch 15

[sleek cairn]

this is a really good tree

[kind scarab]

What weapon?

[delicate moat]

what weapons are u using?

[nimble sentinel]

revolver or plasma depending on whether hadron gives me a brick

probably a dclaw too

[kind scarab]

Oh. Well then.

[delicate moat]

extra nade for moar smokes

[kind scarab]

In that case I'd grab the grenade 5% node, since you'd get more value out of that, than anything else.

With how fucking aggressive the damn Director is since patch 15, you get grenades back more frequently

[sleek cairn]

u dont need +1 nade for smokes, that's crazy

[delicate moat]

you do

[sleek cairn]

how much do u like to carry man

[nimble sentinel]

would it be worth going stealth in that case and relying on the 5% entirely then?

[sleek cairn]

is it what, 5 smokes at all times?

[delicate moat]

how else are u going to smoke the entire map

[sleek cairn]

jesus

[delicate moat]

i think 4?

[kind scarab]

You mean relying on smoking the whole map the whole game?

[delicate moat]

exactly

why hasn't more people tried out the Ventilation Purge Simulator build

[kind scarab]

If you go stealth route, you'd need to invest into two nodes at least

[nimble sentinel]

I accept no such slander, my man's knows whats up

[devout atlas]

How's this for a plasma + dclaw4

[sleek cairn]

i say he gets teh 5% nade point too

[kind scarab]

It's not slander. It's 100% a viable strategy with how many gunners we gotta deal with.

[delicate moat]

(but yeah I think the 5% node is pretty good in this case)

[nimble sentinel]

still a 1 point net gain, imma do it

[kind scarab]

Just toss smokes at any "doors" that exit to further areas, and you effectively force long range gunners to fire blindly for a second until they give up

[cerulean void]

love me smokes, will never not use them

[sleek cairn]

hey wut r u doing here, go to psyker channel

[nimble sentinel]

thinking about taking a columnus with raking fire

[wooden oar]

Anyone thought of a infantry lasgun build with the new keystones?

[placid portal]

y'really need to take that weapoint bonus really good shit

[delicate moat]

yeah the 30% is no joke

[nimble sentinel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa29726-c30a-4f57-ac9f-c429bc669d34/my-job-is-gun-lasgun-veteran

[placid portal]

esp when IAG has super high finesse modifier

[kind scarab]

stick with revolver

[delicate moat]

somehow my MG12 doesn't feel as good for me to use with exec stance after they changed the tree, not entirely sure why

[kind scarab]

It's much better since you'll be able to comfortably just oneshot all problems while they ignore you

[placid portal]

weapon specialist IAG???

[kind scarab]

Just no

[placid portal]

exactly

[kind scarab]

The only value you're getting is the ocassional reload of your bullets

And slightly faster firerate

[nimble sentinel]

Ia hits the same break points since it got buffed and with a faster fire rate, and people are sleeping on the IV

[delicate moat]

ah probably why

[placid portal]

M1A will definitely have a bit better feeling bc the RoF is better

[kind scarab]

Fuck it, I'll make a meme build

[placid portal]

MIV Lasgun is just finger killer

It can overcome M1A for sure

[nimble sentinel]

skill issue (there's also a full auto mod available)

[delicate moat]

im guessing full auto mod to the rescue?

[placid portal]

once again...

[sleek cairn]

wait are u serious or joking

[low wadi]

i guess revo is better in auric. i tried it in regular damnation now and i felt kind of underwhelming, maybe cuz there are less specials

[sleek cairn]

i cant tell what kind of answer to give lol

[kind scarab]

Alright. I've made a meme build. Who wants to go and do stupid stuff?

[sleek cairn]

you're in EU i can't

[kind scarab]

the only condition is you don't get to see the tree until it's over.

I can handle NA ping just fine

[placid portal]

[kind scarab]

(as long as it ain't west coast)

[sleek cairn]

you're like a risky click but an entire fking run

[delicate moat]

sus

[kind scarab]

All I can say, is that the build is definitely a meme build.

[nimble sentinel]

well darn

[sleek cairn]

was it the columnus wep specialist build he linked

i dont know how to even make it work lol

[delicate moat]

just shoot one boolet

[sleek cairn]

hahaha

[delicate moat]

simple as

[sleek cairn]

swap , shoot 1 bullet, swap back

[kind scarab]

Wow, you got literally, nothing

[delicate moat]

melee faster

[nimble sentinel]

guess the new build is going to be for plasma then

[delicate moat]

i really need obese shark to tune down the craft costs

[sleek cairn]

my friend would probably bitchslap me if he saw me shoot a single bullet of columnus and swap back

[delicate moat]

one damnation win worth of mats isn't enough to bring a weapon to gold is BS

[vestal minnow]

for combat blade anyone know what deals more damage. 10% melee weakspot or Crit damage. i assume weakspot is just better always

[umbral scaffold]

what fatshit needs to do is allow us to convert diamantine to plasteel

since that SYSTEM IS IN VERMINTIDE

[kind scarab]

So, I take it I have no volunteers for the suffering I'm going to inflict on the heretics and my teammates in my next mission?

[nimble sentinel]

hadron pls

[stone birch]

if you are critting a lot, crit damage. if you are running non crit builds, then weakspot.

[delicate moat]

i'm sitting on like 50k diamantine

[sleek cairn]

im west coast

[delicate moat]

i don't even have that much dockets

[kind scarab]

Rip tinny

[sleek cairn]

i'd be that volunteer but i can't

[kind scarab]

I think I have a ping of like, uhhh

250+ to West coast?

[delicate moat]

I need a vet keystone to steal someone else's plasteel

[devout atlas]

I'd say weakspot because if 80% of your swings don't hit weakspots on a knife then wtf

[kind scarab]

Almost, yeah

[sleek cairn]

mutant's going to grab you before it even spawns

[vestal minnow]

was thinking the same lol

[kind scarab]

[nimble sentinel]

Give me your mats

[kind scarab]

Hand over your crafting mats right now

[placid portal]

no

It's my Fragging Mats

[vestal minnow]

wanna test meelee weakspot 10% vs crit damage 10% damage on a combat blade and tell me which one does more lol

[kind scarab]

It's fine, I'll shoot them first.

[stone birch]

sorry commissar, the emperor will understand why I refused you.

[placid portal]

you get... 10 more damage

[kind scarab]

Oi Evil, want to suffer a meme build I've made?

[devout atlas]

crit damage is ass on just about everything except gazelumnus psyker

[kind scarab]

[devout atlas]

nothing could make me suffer more than my professor so sure

[placid portal]

Combat blade weakpoint sniper

[kind scarab]

Bet

[placid portal]

you can snipe weakpoints super easily

[delicate moat]

wait how many hours do u have??? how did u accumulate such wealth

[vestal minnow]

kk tyty

[kind scarab]

Wanna get into a lobby and find out

[devout atlas]

it's literally harder to not get a weakspot hit on a knife

[vestal minnow]

i would test out myself but uhh

[forest maple]

Am i missing any breakpoints with this revolver?

[delicate moat]

[kind scarab]

No

It's perfect

[devout atlas]

stop arguing on discord and get your ass on damnation

brokie

[nimble sentinel]

this is a big E roll

[forest maple]

Big e?

[devout atlas]

I'm gonna rob your house

[nimble sentinel]

the God Emperor of Mankind

[forest maple]

Ah

[vestal minnow]

ok u got me

[wooden oar]

🫡

[kind scarab]

"where ammo"

My guy

Why do you have Elite damage on there, and not Dmg vs Cara

[wooden oar]

I do have carapace on it. I was testing when I took that screenshot

[kind scarab]

Why tf you bodyshotting shit

Alright good

I was worried we'd need to linch you for misuse of a firearm

[wooden oar]

Imagine going for bodyshots

[kind scarab]

I saw one deranged psycopath do that

On certain specialists, sure

But for anything else, you need to be hung

[wooden oar]

Headshots only or your gun priviliges should be taken away.

[forest maple]

is there a big difference between hand cannon 3 and 4?

[placid portal]

10% rending

[wooden oar]

10% Rending. Not huge

[forest maple]

ty

[placid portal]

Still 2 tap iirc with right setup

[kind scarab]

Nah

You can run hand cannon 3 and one tap everything

[woven shoal]

can anyone point me towards a decent basic solid lasgun build?

[kind scarab]

This is mine, and it works fine for onetapping everything

[stone birch]

the reload speed hurts, otherwise damn.

that sexy

[kind scarab]

Reload hasn't bothered me tbh

[placid portal]

It sucks when you dumped the spent rounds but you dump it again for some reason

[kind scarab]

Esp if you run bottom right capstone now. But in that case you'd need to 2shot mutties/reapers

[devout atlas]

is there a damage difference between dclaw parries

[kind scarab]

Not that I recall, no

[placid portal]

nah

[stone birch]

and that's fair. Prefrence and playstyle will change the priority of it.

[devout atlas]

thank god

[placid portal]

Dclaw have same damage profile iirc

[tall torrent]

Mk7 tac axe is kind of nice on vet

[placid portal]

only diff is mk1 Dclaw is only cleave swings

[devout atlas]

I was looking for a tac axe build to use on my shotgun build

[torn gorge]

hence mk1 bad

[devout atlas]

I wonder what I should put on a melee vet dclaw build

[torn gorge]

shred/rampage?

[delicate moat]

skullcrusher/rampage

[devout atlas]

yeah that makes the most sense cheers

[tall torrent]

This is probably not meta but
Shred (blessing) + reciprocity (talent) + desperado (talent) gives u very funny melee crit chance on tac axe

[stone birch]

while not the most efficient, shred/hammerblow is hilarious for throwing around hordes literally.

for Dclaws

[devout atlas]

you probably want Brutal Momentum

[tall torrent]

BM is a given

[devout atlas]

fair

[tall torrent]

I don’t have shred on mine (I have headtaker instead)

[kind scarab]

Gotta love losing a mission, cause the dumbasses on the team run away from the clearly pinged safezone to hide in a completely different corner of the map for no good reason

:T

[devout atlas]

fuck it bro imma make a tac axe + plasma gun melee vet build

[tall torrent]

And in actual games it still lands itself somewhere like 50% melee crit chance

[stone birch]

carnival map, people staying near the button instead of the life corner?

[tall torrent]

It actually worked, kinda

[kind scarab]

Great example, yes.

[torn gorge]

entrance is boring though

its just a shooting gallery

where is the FUN?

[delicate moat]

where do u hold carnival first arena?

[placid portal]

ye entrance is super safe

[kind scarab]

We ain't talking about the theater area

Like just the first damn drop down

Like dude, stop hiding in a fucking corner with a couch blocking your way and stick with the fucking team

[placid portal]

that sounds like the most fun standoff position

[upbeat sphinx]

i'm trying to do the on overwatch penance

[placid portal]

It does have alot of cargo crates for cover

[upbeat sphinx]

it's a pain in the ass

[placid portal]

don't worry

you'll get it eventually

[stone birch]

flare is only gonna work if you are on malice or have an extremely coordinated team to keep the gates closed.

[placid portal]

just don't think abou tit

[tall torrent]

I think
Brutal momentum + Headtaker/Shred

[upbeat sphinx]

I did like 10 games

I always get a hit

by a trash mob in a corner

or a mutant that spawns on me

i'm done

[delicate moat]

gotta know ur spawns

[placid portal]

Like I said you play game as normally

Just not getting hurt is a luxury

[delicate moat]

i recommend consignment yard map

[wise bridge]

gotta reflexively Q + spin dodgeblockpush

[placid portal]

and eventually you realise you got overwatch without knowing

that's how I got mine

[strange grove]

Hey if you could choose one of these

[wise bridge]

btw mutants dont slam you against the ground if you're on the edge of terrain, either a wall or drop

[placid portal]

unless that wall is boss spawn location

[delicate moat]

thats not the same gun?

[wise bridge]

XD

[placid portal]

It isn't common

[strange grove]

mg7 vs vraks 3

[whole moon]

Doesn't matter, both decent imo

[placid portal]

but it's something to know about

[delicate moat]

im curious, has anyone done 0 dmg taken AM run?

[whole moon]

0 melee damage penance?

[torn gorge]

both sides are relatively safe though

[delicate moat]

but in AM

[torn gorge]

[placid portal]

Spam infiltrate

[torn gorge]

the area around the tables close to the medistation

[placid portal]

[torn gorge]

and the opposite side

with better los blockers

[whole moon]

AM?

[placid portal]

Auric Maelstrom perhaps

[delicate moat]

yes

[whole moon]

Aaah, no, looking at my performance on that so far I'll be doing the easier option lol

[placid portal]

I did mine on damnation

Somehow i did it

[delicate moat]

the wine cellar in the new map has some cursed spawning mechanics

[placid portal]

Tru

[whole moon]

The entire map has some creative spawning mechanica

[tall torrent]

Me turning a corner and seeing 6 gunners walk out of a door:

[low wadi]

think i prefer zealot over revo vet

[tall torrent]

Me turning a corner and seeing 12 shotgunners having a deep philosophical debate:

[nimble sentinel]

AI director stealing a few sippy sippies?

[kind scarab]

Some sides are definitely safer, but plopping your ass directly on a spawn point and with a couch blocking your closest corner gives you barely any room to work with

[placid portal]

And the occasional sniper bomber roof camping

[delicate moat]

i love when 4 ppl = 1 in each corner

[placid portal]

Death

[delicate moat]

does the new map have an AM variant?

havent seen it in rotation

[nimble sentinel]

what if...

[cerulean void]

I personally love a laspistol

[low wadi]

is twinned blast bad?

[cerulean void]

if you're good at headshots it's a monster

[cerulean void]

depends on the grenade
smokes? yes

[tall torrent]

“Hope is the first step to disappointment”

[nimble sentinel]

I am the master of head

shots

[cerulean void]

shredders is where it's most useful imo, but it can also help with kraks

[low wadi]

krak

[cerulean void]

every now and then you may kill multiple close-together enemies instead of just one or maybe two

I personally think that the point is better spent on either of the other two modifiers in that branch

[finite imp]

fellas be honest

whats the best all around autogun

[strange grove]

Brunt can go fuck himself, that is all

[low wadi]

agrip

[cerulean void]

well, I'm biased so

[delicate moat]

m1k IAG

[cerulean void]

it really depends on the build, some things mesh better with higher RoF
are we including braced autos too?

[versed osprey]

why vets are running revolver now?

[forest maple]

Yo guys, the revolver is insane... Havent really used it before now

[sterile garnet]

it's really good

[forest maple]

its just insane

[versed osprey]

I thought they nerfed it

[cerulean void]

it's the shootiest of guns tbh

[low wadi]

focus target works on monstrositeis right?

[sterile garnet]

??? not at all

[versed osprey]

Clearly?

[sterile garnet]

it's been getting nothing but buffs

[versed osprey]

nice

so what yall run?

in terms of skilltree

[nimble sentinel]

boutta ruin someone's auric with my experimentation, sorry not sorry if I land with one of you

[nimble sentinel]

my build's posted here and in the builds channel, basically mid channel and shock trooper with a MGIV

[fast scaffold]

It's a solid gun baseline, but it also synergizes really well with the weapon specialist keystone

[cerulean void]

weapon specialist gets bonkers

[versed osprey]

weapon specialist is the one that changes weapons right?

[cerulean void]

makes it so swapping weapons and getting kills with them boosts the other one

[fast scaffold]

Yes, right now each stack is 33% instead of 3% that it says on text, so it's like 100% critting for multiple shots

[tall torrent]

1 shot /chain

[fast scaffold]

From what I understand, I haven't played the update yet

[cerulean void]

not to mention the right tree has tons of buffs to melee/close damage

[versed osprey]

so its broken

[tall torrent]

It’s only first shot or first chain

[cerulean void]

is it broken? it reads 33%

[tall torrent]

It’s not “100% crit chance for 5s on ur Columnus IAG because u chopped off 3 poxers’ heads”

[fast scaffold]

Hard to say if it's "working as intended" or not, we'll see soon enough

[cerulean void]

it's a flat, non-stacking 33%

[fast scaffold]

From what I heard it's not working as written

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist is much stronger on revolver & shotgun than automatics

[cerulean void]

I'd agree up until the RoF increases start kicking in on those autoguns

[tall torrent]

The RoF difference isn’t that big because weapon specialist is mostly used to quick swap to revolver/shotgun, dunk 1 guy then go back to melee

[vague hull]

neat, what do i put on it, flak/maniac?

[cerulean void]

I could just do that on a zealot, it's just zealot gameplay lol

[tall torrent]

Uhhhhh I think u should lvl up your veteran first

[vague hull]

it's 130 plasteels to replace one perk man

[versed osprey]

it depends. Is he rich on mats?

[vague hull]

cool ty

[sterile garnet]

you want the build on the left

[tall torrent]

Pretty similar yes

[vague hull]

i'll get a shotgun with proper blessings when I'm 30

perks gnna get swapped now ty

[valid apex]

Why is your NAME familiar?

[vague hull]

what

[valid apex]

sorry

[vague hull]

oh

[valid apex]

Siri needed slapped

[vague hull]

uh idk i play other games

[valid apex]

Y’know?

[valid apex]

Now do that in an actual game.

[nimble sentinel]

update: played with IRL ogryns, but probably sticking to revolver or plasma

[dusk idol]

bringing exec stance into a game lmao couldn't be me

[nimble sentinel]

had to clutch twice

[valid apex]

Rofl…right? Ha

[vague hull]

big

[kind scarab]

As someone who'd been running Aggri shotgun for a while, I can confirm that they slap if you use Ex Stance + Land headshots with a focus build

I was topping boss damage in the few games I ran with that build

[dusk idol]

proof of concept though, lawbringer can mag dump a BoN

[nimble sentinel]

take two

[delicate moat]

share build pls

[kind scarab]

Gimme a sec, need to load ingame.

I need to see if it'll magdump a BoN like they did with the lawbringer

Probably not, but still

Nah, off by like 30% of it's health.

[midnight patrol]

Why wasn't I told the laspistol actually works surprisingly well with us Vets?

Enough headshot modifiers to keep up with dedicated infantry lasguns, but you get all the lovely crit and mobility boons

[keen sedge]

should i keep it?

[sharp ember]

very good potential, there's always a chance hadron will brick it though

[dim bison]

20% cleave on hit, take it or leave it

[keen sedge]

what blessings should i go for, i already know 25% on maniacs and flak

[sharp ember]

i heard you like +8% crit damage

[sharp ember]

standard loadout is Rampage + Savage Sweep/Wrath

[dim bison]

Rampage and the 40% damage on hit stacks 5 times

Savage sweep is worse

[dusk idol]

wrath is cleave not damage

[keen sedge]

time to go back on that plasteel grind because i fucking hate myself 🔥

[dim bison]

yeah

mp

mb

[dim bison]

play damnation quickplay

[sharp ember]

they amount to the same maximum cleave, just different method of building them (both are basically instant)

[strange grove]

yikes this class is so rough to play properly on harder difficulities going the sniper path

back to psyker I go

[dim bison]

wasnt savage sweep nerfed to 180?

or was that just for the Zealot one

[topaz lance]

I know I'm probably not the most competent player ever, but failing the last 5 runs in the last 2 minutes of the ending is frustrating as hell.

Finally got a run done, jesus

[sharp ember]

i guess let's see what darklantern says

[strange grove]

if FS toned down the poxwalker rando spawns behind you, popping exec stance and going ham would be more fun

But for some reason they have to add cheese to make the game diffcult

[odd plank]

Hey, I usually ogryn so don’t get mad at me if this suggestion sounds really stupid my IQ is not high. The only thing I can name with is a rock. But what if the veteran was restricted to certain weapons the further down the tree you went, like, for example, there’s like a sergeant path, and you can dual wield a chainsword and a bolt pistol. It would go with the sort of commander theme.

[topaz lance]

The reason 2/3 of the runs that fail fail

[autumn perch]

R A G E R S

[sharp ember]

blessing website says they're even at tier 4

[strange grove]

FS - Ragers HP has been buffed

[topaz lance]

That sounds horrible honestly.
They initially had keystones focussed on specific weapons but scrapped them, probably for good reason.

[odd plank]

What website is that?

[brazen cradle]

What is the website? Please

[sharp ember]

darktide gameslantern, a very useful website with a build tree editor too

[odd plank]

Well, you would basically start out being able to use anything but then the different builds would want to focus on certain weapons I mean, if they’re gonna give you like 10,000 little points on the tree it might as well make you more specialized

[brazen cradle]

Thx @sharp ember

[odd plank]

It’s not like you can’t just hold a bunch of weapons and bring out that certain type of veteran for whenever you wanna do it

[brazen flume]

If two vets use focus target and tag one enemy, does the bonus stack?

[odd plank]

Also, yes, thank you now you don’t have to be shot

[topaz lance]

Fathark said they were upping the HP of some enemies to be able to spawn less of them right?

Then they do the opposite

Ok, sure

[sharp ember]

don't believe so, but if the second tag has more mark stacks, it overwrites the first one instead of just refreshing the timer

[brazen flume]

Thanks

[topaz lance]

With the tagging keystone, if you bind your tag key to your left mouse will you always tag-shoot everything?

Sounds funny and extremely annoying if that is how it works

[opal obsidian]

Why is Las gun so bad?

Lore accurate ™️ ?

[sharp ember]

yeah, i've had matches with people like that even before tagging keystone existed

[sharp ember]

which one

[opal obsidian]

All of them

[topaz lance]

hmmmm, I wonder if that would help with any breakpoints...

[brazen flume]

In the lore, lasguns are powerful as fuck. They'll melt through metal, concrete, take arms off, etc. They just happen to be some of the weakest weapons in the wider lore universe. Referred to lovingly as "flashlights"

[topaz lance]

It's evil to do that though

so damn annoying for everyone else

[sharp ember]

skill/build issue, considering only recon family lasguns are bad

[opal obsidian]

Funny how the gun with actual bullet is better than Lasguns in this game

Headhunter and Revolver is so good

[topaz lance]

The fast infantry las is one of the most powerful guns for vet at the moment

[opal obsidian]

Revolver and Plasma exist

Yeah nah

[fallow compass]

Damn, if only you could trade percentages from one to feed into another but were limited to just one trade

[sharp ember]

i found the issue, if you're treating a lasgun like a revolver or plasma

[fallow compass]

That weapon has really good stats though

[opal obsidian]

No no no

Lasgun is just unfun to use

I'm not even using Plasma gun

[whole moon]

Maybe to you

[opal obsidian]

Headhunter gun though

Very fun

[sharp ember]

they're supposed to be efficient medium-long range guns for picking specials and shooters, they specifically deal more damage when further away

[bitter scroll]

moly, how do you play the game with blur effect on?

[autumn perch]

I shoot

Thing

And then

[opal obsidian]

So is every other gun in Vet arsenal

[autumn perch]

I win

[opal obsidian]

What's your point

[sharp ember]

headhunter has better flak and close range, at the cost of worse maniac damage so slower at picking specials

please don't clear common shooters with plasma on a regular basis

[opal obsidian]

I don't use Plasma gun

Too slow

[deep elbow]

Hello fellow veterans, I crafted 2 basic stat-wise decent columnus Autoguns. Which one would you recommend using after I change some useless perks/blessing. I marked them via colour, just my rough estimate on which are good or useless (Green - good perk/bless, yellow/red - average to useless, depends on the build ofc). From what I have seen, +25% dmg to flak perk is the standard go-to on most weapons? As for the blessing, I guess I want dumdum on this?

[opal obsidian]

Left is better

[old quail]

on left i would swap sprint efficiency to flak and punishing salvo to dumdum

[whole moon]

Rough choice but I'd go left if pushed

[nimble sentinel]

tbh both seem like bricks to me

[old quail]

dumdum is super good on iags, flak is p necessary because of its lower damage vs flak armor

2nd blessing/perk can be w/e

[deep elbow]

Ok I guess I'll upgrade the left one.

[old quail]

elites is a solid perk in general since IAG doesn't really need help with maniac or specialists

[sharp ember]

I'd go right because it has built-in Maniac, and would actually consider trying Hit and Run because it helps you push into shooters

I value speedkilling maniacs

[keen sedge]

incase this gets bricked, should i remove rampage from my power sword and just apply it on this?

[sharp ember]

you can't do that

[old quail]

blessings don't transfer between weapon family types

[sharp ember]

it has to be a blessing from the same weapon family

[keen sedge]

[old quail]

u cant take a psword blessing and put it on a chainsword unfortunately

[deep elbow]

that's also a good option I guess, if you play more gun&run style to run to push into shooters

[opal obsidian]

Why tho

[sharp ember]

to kill them before they shred your team who has no concept of taking cover

[opal obsidian]

And died to Gunner ?

I'll pass

[sharp ember]

but you're not, because Hit n Run makes bullets pass through you as long as you keep killing and know how to move without over exposing yourself

[opal obsidian]

I prefer taking it slow and steady

[sharp ember]

that's fine

[opal obsidian]

Bing chilling

Push into them blindlessly is a good way to put yourself in bad spot ngl

It happens a lot to my teammates

[sharp ember]

I preferred when Speedload used to stack off melee kills, now it's only gun kills and a lesser total value

stealth zealot and stealth vet moment

think they can tangle the entire room in melee but couldn't get them all

[opal obsidian]

And it becomes my problem after they died

[sharp ember]

oh my god what happened to his eyes

[opal obsidian]

I have to deal with heretic bullshit to save their asses

[odd plank]

[autumn perch]

He sleepy

[odd plank]

He’s not sleepy you flashed him in the eyes with your camera

That’s a blink

[autumn perch]

No

[opal obsidian]

WOKE

[odd plank]

Nice goober

[autumn perch]

[nimble sentinel]

How are y'all making your stealth builds work, if at all? Point tax is kicking me in the pants

[opal obsidian]

You don't

[nimble sentinel]

ballin

looks like vets can only screm

[opal obsidian]

Nah
Firing squad is aight too

[sharp ember]

mostly just juggling weapon specialist to sustain +30% weapon swing speed

and throwing my team into hell by not taking ammo regen, banking on another vet having it

[topaz lance]

I think I cannot do Vraks VII HH without the auto mod

gonna get carpal tunnel syndrome at this rate

[sharp ember]

dew it

[tall torrent]

It’s 25% now

[topaz lance]

It is fun with the left keystone though!

[opal obsidian]

I don't even have keystone in my Vet build

[sharp ember]

ah so it is

[opal obsidian]

Too much of an investment

[gritty mirage]

[opal obsidian]

Aby

[gritty mirage]

o/

[sharp ember]

i use the secret 4th keystone, taking every grenade node

[topaz lance]

In 90% of cases for me yes.
But that's also because I'm too bad to play without Iron Will

auto-include

same as grenade regen

[sharp ember]

but uh i heard shredder grenades are currently bugged and don't deal explosion damage, anyone witness that for themselves?

[topaz lance]

Weren't those the kraks?

[tall torrent]

Haven’t noticed and honestly never really cared abt the explosion dmg

[opal obsidian]

At least it's not smoke grenade

[sharp ember]

kraks feel good thus far, but i saw a bug report that they failed to deal damage if you threw it at the wrong spot on a beast of nurgle

yeah luckily stacking bleed carries shredder grenades, but i still want that explosion damage

[elder vessel]

consecrate?

[whole moon]

Stopping power a bit low?

[limber lance]

good to get some blessings learned

i dont con below 370

[whole moon]

Your gonna miss a load of perfectly serviceable weapons that way. As long as your aware of that

[limber lance]

i do look at the stats, your just more likely to get IV blessings the higher the base rating is

[whole moon]

Is that actually proved or just confirmation bias tho?

[limber lance]

just from playing for 500 hours, seems anything under that rating you just get III

[delicate moat]

that doesn't seem true

[limber lance]

its also if you do get lucky with some nice blessings i dont want them on a crap weapon

[tall torrent]

I’d say aim for 360+
If it’s under 370 but has good rolls for all the stars u care abt, consecrate

[whole moon]

700 at last check. I'd filled most of my sticker album before I heard the high score high blessing theory tho

[elder vessel]

WELP

back to grindin ordos

[sharp ember]

rip perks

[elder vessel]

I gave it the final consecrate just so i could try and get T4 fire frenzy

T3 Terrifying Barrage

[shell ginkgo]

[elder vessel]

I have been grindin kantraels all week bro

Brunt shows no mercy

Hadron crushes my dreams whenever he does

[keen sedge]

OK NO WORRIES JUST PLS GIVE RAMPAGE

[nimble sentinel]

intermission time
https://youtu.be/AI16lhbh7wY?si=-4Cki7-qzHVSjjNS

[keen sedge]

is savage sweep good also?

[limber lance]

a mod that lets you sort weapons by "base rating" is nice to quickly check the shop for 370 plus weapons. i probably have 4 ro 5 of each type of weapon over 370 ready to throw con at

[sharp ember]

yes, they're basically equal

[whole moon]

There's a website that will do that for you for both shops and there's a 'buy until' mod that will buy looking for a set rating and autosell under another rating

[keen sedge]

so its just as good? also what does cleave do again

[stuck crystal]

The website is great, the problem is that you end up with more weapons than you have plasteel to upgrade

[sharp ember]

let you hit more enemies or denser enemies in 1 swing and keep going

vital for stunlocking hordes

Rampage also awards cleave because it got changed to +Power, which is Damage/Stagger/Cleave all in one

[fallow compass]

My power sword is a horde clearing machine then, because i have the 2 extra energized hits and another IV blessing that increases cleave with energized attacks

So it just plows through like how the power swords used to back when the game first released

[whole moon]

[nimble sentinel]

[grim walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-25024682

[deep elbow]

What are the go-to curios for Vet? Should I only go for +X toughness curious since Veteran has high base toughness stat? Is health any good? It doesn't regenerate on itself so I guess not as good?

[fallow compass]

I went with one 17% toughness and two curios with one extra wound

[nimble sentinel]

I go one stam, one health, and one toughness, as much bonus toughness as I can, and more ordo dockets for the brick factory

[sharp ember]

my standard loadout is +3 Stamina, and 2 toughness curios, subperks being mostly toughness regen, stamina regen, and more toughness

[whole moon]

not sure how this is gonna go but we look badass

[nimble sentinel]

paraphrasing someone else "Going down is a skill issue, if I do it twice I deserve death"

[deep elbow]

Alrighty, thanks

[ancient path]

i do two toughness one health with combat ability regen, sniper resistance, filler.

[nimble sentinel]

oh yeh forgot the third bonus I go for is combat ability regen as well

[ancient path]

if im running commando/stealth build i do one one toughness two stam.

[kind scarab]

Looks can be deceiving

[nimble sentinel]

can't fight heretics if you ain't cute

[ancient path]

factually correct.

[atomic zephyr]

real

[ancient path]

yeah typically no one runs wounds once theyre used to the game. you shouldnt really be going down. if youre going down in damnation or auric then its likely a wipe or you're being carried; both arent good.

shit happens, ofc. director and server lag can be on some bullshit. but typically you shouldnt go down

[delicate moat]

i joined via quickplay, as soon as i load in lmfao (orgyn -> vet)

any guesses as to what the vet was running

[ancient path]

recon las

[delicate moat]

ding ding ding

[ancient path]

[delicate moat]

i bailed real quick after seeing said vet recon lasing trash

[sharp ember]

poor recon las

[nimble sentinel]

the bell of lost souls chimes for our fallen tool of the Emperor's holy work

[sharp ember]

they're afraid of making it deal good damage because it has low recoil and decent precision

[delicate moat]

i love quickplay

for funny moments like this

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-arthur-joaquin-phoenix-you-get-what-you-fucking-deserve-gif-15915948

signed, with clown make up, autogun main

though autoguns feel real good rn

thank the emp'rah for the ammo buffs

[sharp ember]

my surprise when they kneecapped the one thing that let recons be ammo efficient

and didn't even document it

like damn lmao

even if the damage was bad it could have still done that

I hope we get more automatics with hyperion accuracy like graia brauto bracing

[karmic musk]

Dont worry Columnus getting the Recon treatment soon

[queen viper]

Sup gang, I got back to my vet 30lvl after playing the shit out of psyker, my all talents are gone so I assumed they added some keystones? Which is correct but...

What the fuck is going on? How am I suppose to go full autoguns now? What just happend here

[willow badger]

just got my ass carried through an auric

feels bad

but thanks for being chill homies

[whole moon]

just get a half decent Columnus IAG and you can happily autogun to your hearts content 🙂

[spark helm]

I mean. It's whateevr. Button presses n all that

I get to big chillin when I got the real sweatlords on my squad. All I gotta do is clean up stragglers and do callouts. Easy.

[vivid ocean]

im not sure if the picture of another vet tree adjustment in patch 15 i saw was accurate

but if it is, im kinda annoyed that exec stance is being set to 10s

[queen viper]

My god...what happend with this tree acutally

[ancient path]

columnus is good rn? i just agrip mk1.

[queen viper]

the more I look the more confusion I get

[vivid ocean]

since now you could kill something at 6s and not get the refresh from relentless

[ancient path]

just something about feeling like im using a bf3 m16a3

[vivid ocean]

so you miss out on like 4s

[spark helm]

Seen people running autoguns with right tree a lot and some left tree stuff seems to work solidly. I legit haven't put in much time with them though so idk

[marsh condor]

You know, the Helbore Lasgun's bayonet is kind of nutty.

[spark helm]

how so?

[marsh condor]

I mean in a good way.

[spark helm]

I almost never use that shit

[marsh condor]

Its damage is solid, and I've killed more heretics with it than with its actual charged shots.

[keen sedge]

two shotting ogryns with focus target + bayonet

[ancient path]

old person reflexes. i suck at dodging sniper shots and i mostly use revolver so gunners arent an issue.

[queen viper]

Isnt right tree more melee focused tho?

[spark helm]

not really

[marsh condor]

I prefer the "stabby" ones, though I do have plans to find a good Mk III.

[spark helm]

mechanically, the further you go down it, you're looking more at burst off of weapon swapping and things like that,.

[vivid ocean]

unsure if this is legit, but if it is veteran might be able to regen stam faster than psykers

[spark helm]

And the burst is real as hell. The melee just guarantees that you get nice stacks

[sharp ember]

getting surprise shot by a gunner is less punishing than a sniper, for gunners you can scramble back into cover

that's my mindset

[marsh condor]

I don't use the Keystones that much.

[spark helm]

that's fine too

don't really need them if your other things are divided up in certain ways. The keystones genuinely just allow you to double down on particular approaches based on your loadout.

[marsh condor]

True.

So, anyway.

[topaz lance]

this is just some redditor spitballing

[ancient path]

yeah. honestly sometimes i dont know if its behavior or server or skill issue (likely this) but ive been shot first then audio que. snipers are just kinda whacky and a mess up on them means im getting chunked for 75%

ive also been sniped mid dodge.

[marsh condor]

What's a good Blessings and Perks set for the Mk III Helbore specifically?

[spark helm]

Feel like you could do some stable autogun builds going into the middle tree, maybe taking keystone for ping dmg if you want.

[ancient path]

this is what i use with the agrip mk1. middle tree with voice of command and power sword.

very effective all rounder

[vivid ocean]

ah, sad

[queen viper]

Well I dont know what games we have but I see a few passives for melee damage on the right

Am I wrong or what? Melee AS, Crit etc

[spark helm]

Sounds about right. I straight up haven't really used the autoguns much on vet.

[marsh condor]

Anyone familiar with the Helbore Lasguns, could y'all tell me which Blessings would benefit the Mk III?

[ancient path]

i want to try voice of command with right tree and use an autopistol shredder or columbus. i keep hearing about how nuts the latter is

[nimble sentinel]

Right tree is more close range and weapon swapping than outright melee, though it is the only tree afaik with melee perks. Left is all about ranged, middle about tanking and support

[spark helm]

Yes, right tree pushes your melee potential more comparatively but the point that I'm making is that right tree supports guns by using melee to fuel them.

[queen viper]

I see

[marsh condor]

Hm. Okay

[queen viper]

Not a fan honestly

[stuck crystal]

I use this

[queen viper]

I mean...I wnat vet to sit like 80-90% in ranged

That is the only reason I wanted to get back to him...

[spark helm]

And in a game where melee is the cornestone of design, you can see why that kind of thing can be helpful. If anything, i'm legit not using my melee that much in right tree and instead fast swapping to burst with my guns and back to those melee options.

[nimble sentinel]

#1158835044006232215 message

It's impossible to stay exclusively in ranged, but I gotchu covered

[spark helm]

You can just do left/middle tree builds for range. Very easily too.

[marsh condor]

Just for luck, how good is this?

[spark helm]

you're veteran so life isn't particularly hard with decision making.

[queen viper]

Well ye I know you cant 100% stick to range, sure thing but I really despite this kinda swapping to get more value ugh

[nimble sentinel]

Shoot the shooties, shoot the shamblers until they're in spitting distance, distribute krak to the armored lads like your name is Ronald Reagan, and when all else fails scream and run away smack em harder

[spark helm]

then you dont have to take weapon specialist if you don't want to use that playstyle.

Not sure what the problem is

[sharp ember]

stopping power is rather low, but i can't say for sure if it'll cheat you out of any 1-shots considering an optimal build will crit almost every shot

[marsh condor]

Hm.

I'll swap it, then

[sharp ember]

it will definitely mess with how quickly you can take down bosses and crushers at least

[nimble sentinel]

stopping power is a bit on the low end but if Hadron smiles on you this is a great gun

[marsh condor]

Bought another Brunt's, and this one seems better.

[nimble sentinel]

ooooooooo good roll!

[marsh condor]

Even if the Charge rate is meh.

[sharp ember]

charge rate this time, but you can ball with that if the upgrades are good

[stuck crystal]

Yeah, Onslaught can 'nullify' the lower charge rate

[sharp ember]

either one really, as long as one survives hadron's upgrades

[marsh condor]

With the other two Helbores, I am most likely going to get more kills by bayonets than with the actual gun.

[sharp ember]

personally i prefer the stabby bayonet on mk1 and mk2

[cerulean void]

wish more guns had bayonets

[stuck crystal]

But the best blessing for Hellbores is the weapon customization mod

[spark helm]

idk how yur playing but that's cool if that's your eperience

[marsh condor]

Only Ripper Guns and Helbores...

[cerulean void]

I want my straight silver on a lasrifle

[spark helm]

no shade, I'd never use bayonet unless I'm just really desperate to shoot something and I got some grunt slapping me or something. Like one straggler.

Also I love the flashlight

game is dark as hell

fuck that

[cerulean void]

I like to mock ragers with it

[spark helm]

does it do siginifcant stagger or something?

[sharp ember]

the bayonet damage is basically triple from what it used to be

[marsh condor]

The lower half of my stuff

[spark helm]

Oh really now?

[marsh condor]

And I can actually reliably kill Ragers with it

[spark helm]

Think you could flip a clip for me? I'd like to see it.

[sharp ember]

it reliably 1-shots trash enemies, and 2 headshots the slightly beefier melee infantry

you can 1 bayonet flamers in the head

[marsh condor]

Even with their high stagger resistance, I can still stagger them with a poke.

[spark helm]

That legit changes my outlook on Hellbore. I like them but I'd rather use something like a lasgun for the magazine capacity and fire rate.

At least for my left tree builds.

[sharp ember]

yeah they increased the speed, damage, and headshot damage in general and they're great now

[marsh condor]

This is for my Helbore

[sharp ember]

if you sprint with stabby bayonet readied, you get a slight speed boost

[spark helm]

I thought of a middle tree hellbore kind of thing but before the new talents, it didn't feel right. I didn't have a properly modded one either but the flow was kind of meh to me.

[sharp ember]

mk3 helbore bayonet is still an iffy axe swing, but it has mild cleave now

[marsh condor]

Haven't tried that yet

[spark helm]

That's cool though. I knew that a lot of guns got changed with some solid quality of life stuff by the time they ended up in a veteran's hands.

[marsh condor]

But anyway, imagine if they just went "fuck it" and replaced the bayonet with a tactical axe head

[spark helm]

I just haven't developed my relationship with autoguns and hellbores yet lmao.

Haven't touched a boltor yet but every other gun I've used.

Like boltor this patch specifically. Used to run it in vanilla because it's just a funny violent weapon that looks insanely stupid.

[sharp ember]

i'm not sure where i'd place bolter this patch

[spark helm]

Lunchbox with gunpowder or w/e idk how this works in 40k lol

[sharp ember]

i think it's good as a clunkier alternative to plasma for high power sniping, with much better ammo regen value

[spark helm]

I've heard people having a bad time. My main thing is though, a lot of the people I've seen running stuff aren't playing in a way that'll actually let them do the things they want.

[sharp ember]

yeah full auto bolter playstyle is pretty much dead

[junior grail]

My main issue with Bolter is its long ready time and reload

[spark helm]

Didn't know people went full auto with that thing unless it was boss time or something.

I treated it like crossbows in vermintide 2.

[junior grail]

Ppl used to magdump Bolter all the time

[sharp ember]

plasma is so good, but the ammo regen value hurts my soul, you get 1 energy back per special kill

[spark helm]

Or like uh, the burst fire crossbow Shade Kerillian can use.

[junior grail]

At least VT2 crossbow has a fast response

[spark helm]

^

It's a crossbow but we not talkin about that lol I see what you mean.

Takes like...3.5 seconds it feels like to ready.

I think?

I never paid enough attention I'd just swap to melee.

[sharp ember]

ultimately it's down to how willing you are to eat more ammo pickups to run plasma

vs taking slow and heavy bolter

[spark helm]

I'm on my gunsmith shit with this game. I gotta know how everything feels to work with and then get better at it for a final judgement on my behalf kind of thing.

[junior grail]

I never take Bolter now cause some operative with a Revolver is gonna yeehawwl all of my kills

[sharp ember]

oh yeah and karking revolver exists now

[spark helm]

I got very little smoke for autoguns, boltors and hellbores for that exact reason. I use everything else pretty well I'd say.

[ancient path]

no keystone? interesting.

[spark helm]

It's amazing at clearing dense flak and mauler crowds.

[junior grail]

Keystoneless Vet build is more than viable especially for now

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-erron-black-damn-straight-thats-right-thats-correct-gif-9959913289863751874

[nimble sentinel]

No one dared to take the Bolter,
Ammo loss if their aim slipped,
And that vet killstole from them,
With the big iron on his hip

[sharp ember]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-gaming-mgs-guns-gif-17353618

[ancient path]

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-big-iron-gif-19017452

marksman keystone feels a little underwhelming

so i may revise my revolver build

[delicate moat]

no wonder the first time I did this area it was a clusterfuck, this staircase had 20 gunners

[sharp ember]

marksman feels like it pigeonholes you into using infantry lasguns and autoguns

[ancient path]

i low key wanna go melee specialist revolver for fun

[stuck crystal]

Wait a sec guys, just pulling out my bolter

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[sharp ember]

melee spec revolver is actually hilarious

[junior grail]

Its the ability to maintain marksman thats hard, i don't like being forced to crouch or stand still

[ancient path]

yeah just swap to revolver for quick pot shots for big damage

[nimble sentinel]

someone did the math a while ago and it works better with guns that don't have good headshot multipliers than those that do, like our dearly departed recon lasgun

[ancient path]

its kinda what i figured. it may be overkill.

[junior grail]

Ngl melee vet build is my fave now

[delicate moat]

melee vet based

[stuck crystal]

I'm running VoC with the tag keystone, a Dclaw and a Mk3 Hellbore

[sharp ember]

you can take Weapon Specialist keystone so you can automatically reload 1 revolver bullet by switching weapons between melee kills

[stuck crystal]

Feels really good

[sharp ember]

literally juggle reload your gun while in melee

[junior grail]

Swing swing swing bang swing swing swing bang

[sharp ember]

i've continuously put like 10 rounds into a mauler squad while clearing trash with my melee doing it

[nimble sentinel]

I'm not ready to give up on shock trooper and my lasgun

I was told Vermintide with guns and by the God Emperor I will shoot any karker that tries to take me off this hill

[stuck crystal]

But Vermintide has guns

So it's guns + guns and we don't have akimbo options in Darktide

[sharp ember]

left 4 dead

man i wish we had akimbo choices

laspistol + chainsword i beg you

[stuck crystal]

Dual hand flamers please

[nimble sentinel]

real talk tho I might go back to try and make huntsman Kruber work for me

[sharp ember]

where me 2 handed melee weapons for vet

[lusty vortex]

I just play "Commissar" with a plasmagun

[nimble sentinel]

Hellbore

[sharp ember]

you got me

[stuck crystal]

I liked playing plasma vet, and then I got a 380 Hellbore Mk3 and it upgraded to have the correct blessings at level 3

So now I am become Krieg

[topaz lance]

Have they finally buffed him?

[nimble sentinel]

no but the way I play vet in darktide feels like it would work

[tawdry hull]

instares is not working anymore? :thonk

[nimble sentinel]

don't even need to change the facial hair

[karmic musk]

That Marine is feeling the post-nerf Recon

[fathom grail]

It’s now the other way around

[nimble sentinel]

that clip is exactly as long as my recon mags last

[versed osprey]

what blessings yall rock on the revolver?

[shell ginkgo]

Hand cannon crucian roulette

[sharp ember]

surgical + handcannon

[shell ginkgo]

Surgical is better but I mag dump it

No time to aim when I'm rushing into melee

[umbral scaffold]

Not even ADSing?

[shell ginkgo]

Hip fire

[umbral scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1034298802905022494/caption-2-2.gif

[shell ginkgo]

If I could throw my revolver down for a second sword I would

[versed osprey]

what would be the point

to change swords

[shell ginkgo]

Dual wield sword

[karmic musk]

Grail Knight build

[shell ginkgo]

I will be the rager now.

[gaunt delta]

Rock does the same thing

[marsh condor]

Don't feel like I need em.

[tawdry hull]

instares is not wortking anymore ?

[marsh condor]

I am still waiting for a polearm.

How much does Helbore III cleave on poxwalkers and groaners?

[vague hull]

fellas since I read about weapons specialist giving one guarenteed crit for ranged, i removed Deadshot from my build, but now I have spare points where I'm not sure where to put em.

I could switch to krak grenade using those two points I guess. Any other options though?

oh wait even if I switched i'd have a free point

[marsh condor]

How good is this?

So no, then

Gonna keep looking, then

[terse idol]

need better finnesse too

Dump mobi

[sharp ember]

if you switched to krak and had 1 free point left, probably just take the extra grenade capacity

[marsh condor]

Just using this as a two-handed sword.

[sharp ember]

or grenade regen if you have 2 spare

[marsh condor]

Wait, I mean this.

How good is this?

[north spoke]

Very

[marsh condor]

Now, for some reason I have a knife with Lacerate III

[north spoke]

I just want this

[marsh condor]

What's the maximum for- is that premium or free?

[north spoke]

It was Datamined

Got it from a Reddit post

[marsh condor]

Oh

[whole moon]

Mission reward

[topaz lance]

soon

[shell ginkgo]

It's the free pearl clutching gear I believe

[marsh condor]

Anyway, what's the maximum stack for bleed?

[north spoke]

Deadass?

[shell ginkgo]

We get it "end of november"

[topaz lance]

latest by eom

[north spoke]

I hope lol

[shell ginkgo]

So no concrete date just soon™️

[tall torrent]

Wait this looks like vanguard pack veteran armor?

[shell ginkgo]

It is.