veteran-class

[forest maple]

it will stay as is hopefully

[fleet garden]

x to doubt

[forest maple]

If they make shout unusable, im simply not playing vet anymore

[fleet garden]

I just want vet to be the shooty type but its getting worse and worse every patch because of the massive amount of travel nodes

[astral blade]

It’s fat shark we’re talking about lol they are probably gonna remove vets +50 extra toughness lol that shout provides

[tardy vigil]

and yet left side pushes the same damage output in pure range capabilities, but is squishier as a result, a fact exacerbated by the loss of ET

[fleet garden]

shout will have 10 sec cd but you only shout, nothing else happens

[turbid oracle]

Krak grenade, tinkerer or no?

[forest maple]

And the loss of damage reduction which is STUPID

[languid escarp]

No

Overkill

Most of the time

[south prairie]

It costs stamina too

[tardy vigil]

only if you need it for boss killing

[fleet garden]

🫠

[astral blade]

Ehh I take shredder nades on my vet

[forest maple]

Shout now just flames your teammates in text and voice form

[warped robin]

ayo guys, what's the best curio setup for veterans? (base and blesses) if you could give your opinions

[forest maple]

Sub nodes give it emoticons and such

[broken spade]

hey that means more uptime on this

[fleet garden]

3hp or 2hp1tough, toughness regen on two or three, rest is up to you

either more % hp and toughness or some resistance, cdr

[astral blade]

Toughness, health and probs extra 1+ wounds that’s base

[kind scarab]

I feel like I was ran over by a truck.

[languid escarp]

Why does it last so much shorter than the right modifier

[tardy vigil]

party buff vs selfish buff

[languid escarp]

Oh

[vague hull]

would 2x tough, 1 stam, 3x cdr 3x tough 3x toughness regen be cool?

[languid escarp]

10% still feel very cheap though

[fleet garden]

it works

[languid escarp]

Ogryn can apply 15% damage bonus on anything it damage at all time

[vague hull]

pog

a bit worried i'm not going for any hp% at all

[astral blade]

For perks on a curio personal opinion this is but 1 toughness regen, 2 gunner resistance, maybe 2 ability regen both at 4%

[fleet garden]

I run 2hp1tough, max hp and tough on all, two toughnees 30% regen and one gunner resistance

[vague hull]

can only apply that debuff with melee attacks though iirc

[fleet garden]

since I am almost mostly left side with exe stance so cdr is not an issue

[tardy vigil]

But ultimately, leftside cant get much more interms of its offensive capabilities without suddenly spiking into broken territory, its defensive needs should have been covered by ET and CK only. Where it stands to gain is utility options through tax node minimizations and loadout expansions

[vague hull]

#veteran-class message this is what i'll be running eventually, so i do have the cdr node in the middle

but that's it

[astral blade]

Imma be real I can’t believe people are taking bring it down

Even those comp urge is by far better

[tardy vigil]

is that 10% toughness really worth it though for the loss of 25% or so gunner resistance?

[fleet garden]

well tbh I cba reroll more curios and it works

might fix it later down the road but its not a big deal

[astral blade]

Seriously why do people take bring it down and not take comp urge instead

[vague hull]

i guess 2.5% sounds small to trigger

[astral blade]

That 2.5% triggers allot

[fleet garden]

both are good problem is

[vague hull]

yeah plenty of enemies

[fleet garden]

I need more points

[tardy vigil]

depends on the build imo, i hit my breakpoints just fine without comp urge, so i'd rather be able to do more damage to bosses

[fleet garden]

way more points

[kind scarab]

Comp urge applies to everything, bring it down applies only to heavies/bosses

[broken spade]

i just take both

[kind scarab]

And while I agree comp urge is usually amazing. I need it for 0 breakpoints

So I don't take it.

With the current rework it's practically unnecessary unless you're completely ignoring capstones

[astral blade]

Tbh i take comp urge for the simple fact that my columnus has raking fire and dumdum

[broken spade]

I'd probably drop it if I was going for a keystone build, but currently i'm not using keystones

[astral blade]

Both at rank 4

Plus my dumbass uses infiltrate

I don’t ignore keystones but I’ll still take it

[broken spade]

I wish superiority complex wasn't so low in the tree

pathing pretty far just to reach it

[tardy vigil]

what build are you running that you feel forced to reach it?

[astral blade]

The build known as

[placid portal]

man after using mk1 Lucius I remember how good the bayonet stabbing is

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/testing-new-deez-nuts-ha-teeth-gif-15758045

[broken spade]

this on a plasma build

I don't really wanna give up 15%, but i also don't really like marksman focus

[astral blade]

Sorry about it I couldn’t help it

[placid portal]

just ditch longshot?

[tardy vigil]

my guy just run agile engagement and get those 3 nodes back

[astral blade]

Build known as Deez nuts….oh by the emperor that joke is so bad it’s funny

[tardy vigil]

probably could stand to get a few more nodes tbh, ammo up on plasma isn't really needed in my experience unless you go trigger happy on multiple bosses

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-5332537

[bold ibex]

RIP blessings

[astral blade]

Guilty over here 🌝

For being trigger happy

[tardy vigil]

ammo up is one of those YMMV perks for a lot of weapons. just depends on how the director is feeling

i know ive been in missions where i burned through ammo and was left wanting inorder to deal with gunners

[astral blade]

Anyone else guilty of ammo dumping into a horde

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-5332537

[kind scarab]

Nah, I have standards

[hollow turtle]

Always.

[novel dove]

Its just so satisfying

[delicate moat]

[hollow turtle]

I mean. Firing head level with a lasgun..

[novel dove]

braced autogun enjoyer

[kind scarab]

All of you will be punished for mishandling of precious ammo

[placid portal]

Lasgun with Shocktrooper

[tardy vigil]

anyhow, think fatshark will ever change covering fire to be an actually useful perk instead of a highly niche one?

[placid portal]

[novel dove]

Doc, its fine, i pick up all the ammo for my team

[kind scarab]

You'll be given an extra can of corpse starch and expected to eat it immediately.

[radiant raptor]

what else am i suppose to kill poxwalkers with? my melee weapon

[placid portal]

Might as well sell those karkers off to the corspe guilds

[kind scarab]

Yes, exactly

[placid portal]

[astral blade]

Ammo goblin I am

[radiant raptor]

that's a good one

[astral blade]

[placid portal]

Must pick up metal box I must

[kind scarab]

Better than a mind goblin

[broken spade]

yeah but idk, i feel like i'd be giving up a lot by not going to bottom left of the tree.
It's the fact that i'd be losing the ammo, 20% power on weakspot after F, 15% base damage...

[astral blade]

The fuck a mind goblin?

[kind scarab]

[astral blade]

That a psyker who goes boom?

[kind scarab]

I can't believe you walked into that

I'll let you figure it out.

I don't have the heart

[radiant raptor]

if he figures it out, you turn into a furry

[placid portal]

one must have one to even lose one

🤔

[radiant raptor]

you sure you wanna risk that

[young sequoia]

[kind scarab]

My guy, a bit too late for that now

Have you even noticed my pfp

[novel dove]

anyone else find the top 1/3 of the skill tree just absolutely infuriating?

[astral blade]

You bloody SOB that’s a ligma joke

[kind scarab]

No, it's a deez nuts joke, but close enough

[vague hull]

the fact there's that long ass line under the nades? yes

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-hank-dangit-bobby-stressed-gif-4093655

[hollow turtle]

Watching two xbox zealots try to speed run new mission.

[kind scarab]

Keep me posted, that sounds hilarious

[hollow turtle]

They leave each other and everyone else behind.

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-gone-dead-gif-20756091

[hollow turtle]

Well I ain't expecting much

I've already died because they decided to aggro everything from previous room and the next room together

[astral blade]

Hold on which sort of Xbox zealot are they console or pc

[merry oak]

Smells like good ambush situation. Funny that hordes are nearly endless in carnival.

[tardy vigil]

agile would give you 25% with fairly reliable uptime, so at most, you're losing out on 10% damage, and unless you're charging shots, will allow you to meet your most important breakpoints which are gunners and most specialists

[astral blade]

Has that being confirmed?

The endless hordes?

[placid portal]

well at the start

until you finish first cypher Ident

[novel dove]

Anyone feel like sharing their shouty build?

[merry oak]

On higher difficulty I've seen hordes non stop until 3/4th though then it calms down a little

Then it kicks back up in amphitheater

[kind scarab]

AI director eventually needs to breath, he runs out of trash to send at you

[patent slate]

What's the best guns for vet rn

[tardy vigil]

as for the ammo, its 17-20 shots iirc, but you're also running survivalist so ammo really shouldnt be a concern as everytime you kill a gunner with lmb you get refunded the full amount

[merry oak]

Shovel

[hollow turtle]

I've already gone done. They're already in the next drop down

[kind scarab]

Revolver, Plasma, Column IAG

[placid portal]

A really Big knife

[patent slate]

🤔

[astral blade]

Oh fuck man

[hollow turtle]

Fuck ton of disablers and elites running around now

They're all separated

[placid portal]

Sheesh

[astral blade]

You poor bastard not sure wether to laugh or feel sorry for you

[hollow turtle]

I don't mind. I'm actually very curious how this'll turn out for them

[placid portal]

Are they at least competant?

[kind scarab]

I'd offer to help, but y'all currently in an unsalvagable mission

[hollow turtle]

Even that last area is chock full of gunners

So makes me wonder how they'd clear that if I were dead.

[kind scarab]

Whether you finish the mission successfully or not right now, you've already lost

[placid portal]

Pure religious fervor

[hollow turtle]

Ooof. I just heard like 5 trapper shots go off at once.

[placid portal]

Christ

[astral blade]

Yikes

[hollow turtle]

And I don't know where they are

There's mutants and hounds running around too.

They're knife users and I'm being guarded by 3 bulwarks

[astral blade]

Focus on the mission

Unless ya captured

[placid portal]

PoV turning Darktide into Horror gamge

[hollow turtle]

Lol i'm already dead

[kind scarab]

You want horror?

Apparently the trapper is a dude, not a chick.

[hollow turtle]

I've died twice due to them leaving us behind with all the elites and specials

[placid portal]

Ok and?

[kind scarab]

At least according to my Veteran, who refers to them as a HE

[placid portal]

🤔

Vet don't care

it's dead

[hollow turtle]

Looks like the psyker we were with left because he just wasn't having these idiots

[placid portal]

or will be

[hollow turtle]

A veteran revolver has loaded in

[devout atlas]

deadshot needs it's ads drain removed it just incentivises ads buffering and feels awful

[hollow turtle]

He's being left behind too

[astral blade]

I mean darktide is kinda like a horror game when you think about it

[patent slate]

The column mkV infantry autogun?

[placid portal]

RIP

[kind scarab]

I don't agree, cause they'll just add even more drain per shot

[placid portal]

ye

[kind scarab]

Which means auto weapons would immediately become even worse at using it

[patent slate]

It don't seem that good tbh

[placid portal]

that gun is hella dumb

[devout atlas]

and I'd prefer that

[gentle tulip]

since vet shovel special can stagger muties on headshot (at least in the meat grinder), does anyone know if its capable of staggering monstrosities? 🤔

[placid portal]

Super deadly beam of lead if you can manage the initial jump

[patent slate]

As in it does alot of dmg?

Ah

[kind scarab]

I say no

[placid portal]

With right setup yep

[patent slate]

How much damage does it do per shot

[placid portal]

Let's say Raking Fire + Beast of Nurgle is a fun interaction

[placid portal]

piss porr

like 70~80s base

[tardy vigil]

ive just stopped using deadshot entirely, didn't like it pre patch and still dont like it after they reworked it. the builds which benefit from it are probably better suited going down right tree keystone or are weapons which have blessings built in for crit chance on demand

[patent slate]

So how does it do a metric butload

[placid portal]

It's a bullet hose

[devout atlas]

not rlly atm the optimal way to use it on columnus is ads only up until you get a crit chain then hipfire then ads etc ik this is autistic as fuck but optimising around the stamina drain is so poopy

[placid portal]

Its big damage is thanks to the fact the headshot multiplier is insae

jumps to 200+ per weakpoint and/or crit

[patent slate]

Is the column with head-hunter and dumdum good

[gusty bison]

Tbf deadshot usually saves about half a second of ads time on surgical

Which is a lot

[placid portal]

Pretty sure it don't got headhunter

[patent slate]

Oh sorry deathspitter

[placid portal]

Deathspitter is nice

Raking fire is if you wanna use infiltrate

[hollow turtle]

Down to 1 zealot fighting multiple maniacs, gunners, and a chaos spawn

Other veteran not happy about these loner losers either

[patent slate]

But that seems like alot of work though

Plus I might die

[hollow turtle]

What a stupid talent to give zealots tbh

[gusty bison]

Just hit heads and the IAGs rock

[placid portal]

Man Virgin Loner Aura vs Chad Enemies within

[kind scarab]

On the contrary, I really like the idea, and how it works. However. The issue is people are fucking stupid.

[patent slate]

Raking fire seems trash when u can just shoot them

[kind scarab]

I esp love fast zoomy knife zealot.

It's one of the two builds I use on the bastard.

[placid portal]

Well shooting them from behind is big money

[patent slate]

But I gotta go invis get behind then get out

Without dying

[broken spade]

I'll try it out when i feel like trying out a weap specialist build.
Although it kinda bothers me that agile won't always be up, and even if it is, this can still happen.

[placid portal]

10s of 90% threat reduction if you may

[hollow turtle]

He got the spawn

[patent slate]

Ig it helps for bosses

[kind scarab]

he gaming?

[patent slate]

But like everyone's got a plan with bosses

[hollow turtle]

He gaming

[gleaming turtle]

Wjat

What's the problem?

[kind scarab]

Awww shit the console player gaming

[patent slate]

What does punishing salvo do

[gusty bison]

I currently go middle keystone for plasma.

Its very vibe.

[kind scarab]

Nothing important, get rid of it

[patent slate]

Ok

[placid portal]

WTF Mk1 Lucius bayonet is Fucking Goated

[hollow turtle]

Lol. I think the other vet and I are just staying to ensure they don't get bot help

[placid portal]

it one shot headshots flamers, bombers, dogs, along with hoardes with ease

[kind scarab]

Good

[hollow turtle]

He's stuck in a loop trying to save his zealot friend

[placid portal]

🍹

cue the carnival music

[kind scarab]

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-clown-fight-epic-clown-fight-gif-25050687

[hollow turtle]

He got his zealot friend up. But they're separated once again

[kind scarab]

HOW

It wasn't even a minute

[sleek cairn]

i just got Doc's team in my round

i alt f4'ed

[fleet garden]

[sleek cairn]

time to switch countries

[turbid oracle]

Crucian roulette on autoguns needs to be doubled or tripled, ~20% extra crit on the last tiny bit of your mag is worthless

[fleet garden]

vpn ON

[sleek cairn]

i was malding. i dont know how Doc does it

[fleet garden]

seethe and cope, if you have played enough online games, noting bothers you in the end

or you mald, one of these

[sleek cairn]

3 dudes with no hordes or enemies, let a dog bite me from 100% to 0% cuz they were busy looting plasteel

was so pissed lol

[fleet garden]

ohhhh shiny

[sleek cairn]

i was beside the damn medstation too so i didnt mind as long as they got me up before i went to 0

im pretty lenient

[patent slate]

Are the recon lasguns any good on patch 15

[fleet garden]

average

[midnight mortar]

Not really.

[misty turtle]

anyone here actually enjoy using the headhunter autoguns? what even is the benefit of burst when you can have full auto with infantry?

[fleet garden]

my VId with infernus and really good rolls is ok but nothing special

[gleaming turtle]

Snag a good Vrak's 3 and use the fullauto mod.

It dabs on them.

[misty turtle]

that's cheating

[sleek cairn]

headhunters have deadly accurate so that's somethin

[gleaming turtle]

No, it isn't.

It's literally just there to keep you from developing an RIS.

RSI*

You can get the same performance by clicking a thousand times each time you play, or just use the mod to do it for you. This stuff's been allowed since VT.

[misty turtle]

I just feel like using burst fire weapons is limiting yourself

I can burst fire with infantry guns

but I can't full auto with headhunter

[gleaming turtle]

I get what you are saying, but trust me, the Vrak's 3 acts much more like an Infantry weapon than the others.

[misty turtle]

really

[gleaming turtle]

Yes, especially if you fire it as fast as you can.

It acts a lot like an Agri 1 in many respects.

[hollow turtle]

Aw. I crashed. The other veteran decided to insult them.

[gleaming turtle]

Honestly, I sorta feel like the Agri I, Columnus 5, and Vraks 3 are functionally tied.

[hollow turtle]

They carried. Sweaty zealots carried

[kind scarab]

Dang

[topaz lance]

I think zealot needs to be rebalanced to make this playstyle impossible

apparently the anti-spreedrun measures were not enough

[hollow turtle]

That's actually very easy. Remove the loner passive

[kind scarab]

I disagree, the playstyle should be allowed, but made a bit harder to do.

To disincentivise fuckers running ahead of the team, and making them stick together.

[topaz lance]

Why? It's a coop game.

[vague hull]

kinda wanna try this and just QQ after every ads kill

[topaz lance]

load into a private lobby if you want to fo this stuff

[hollow turtle]

Most zealots that do the speedrun method are using the loner passive.

[patent slate]

Are the vet keystones even any good

[kind scarab]

Because being able to reposition faster than everyone else shouldn't be something that's removed cause people use it wrong

[sleek cairn]

yes

[hollow turtle]

Honestly? Yeah. They should've. The two xbox zealots were firing back and calling us toxic PC players

[sleek cairn]

two of them change ur playstyle completely

[kind scarab]

There should be a bigger downside to running away from the team, like having them take constant damage the further out of coherency they are (depending on how many teammates are alive)

[gleaming turtle]

Well, Hadron didn't completely brick it, so... alright.

[hollow turtle]

I hadn't said shit. I just said I wanted to see how it went.

[topaz lance]

I agree, but still the range in which you can safely do that should be diminished

[kind scarab]

That we both agree on

It's not an issue of the node existing, it's an issue of what it allows with no downsides.

[topaz lance]

I had a zealot named "AUTISMUSMAXIMUS" or something so that once

and his trusty Ogryn was running behind him like a dog

[patent slate]

Explain

[broken spade]

Nah a huge portion of toughness gain isn't coming from loner anyways. They would've done the same without it.
Keep in mind loner regen pauses when you're in melee range of a melee enemy

[patent slate]

Also

[kind scarab]

Honestly, if they made it where the speed buff stopped working if you were say. More than 40m away from your closest teammate it would be fine.

[patent slate]

The keystone on the right turns you into a zealot

[kind scarab]

(unless everyone is downed ofc)

[patent slate]

Which doesn't work well for a vet

[placid portal]

Loner Aura vs Enemies within

[hollow turtle]

40m is a far distance. I'd make it 20. 30 max.

[glass pumice]

Zealot doesnt really need loner they have enough other i can do everything myself nodes besides it.

[kind scarab]

20 is too small for most rooms

30 might barely cut it.

[hollow turtle]

It's not even if they're a speed runner. It's more so the fact in the event that the zealot goes down.

You want the rest of the team to cover that distance?

[topaz lance]

And I'm not hating on Zealot, I like playing the class.

[kind scarab]

If he goes down, you leave him down

Either he'll learn his lesson, or he won't get picked up the time after that

[hollow turtle]

At this point, I'll just assume if I see two zealots in a lobby with knives, that's what they're doing and i'll leave the lobby.

[kind scarab]

I think the vet tree rework is starting to hit me

I'm finding little avenues for actually building more stuff.

[hollow turtle]

In what way?

Lol yeah. See? Ain't that bad. We just need to learn how to break the class again.

[kind scarab]

No, you misunderstand

I've already hit the minmax potential for all my things

There just ain't enough leeway to make more builds.

They all boil down to mostly the same things

[gleaming turtle]

Too many nodes

[hollow turtle]

Oh that's what you mean by little avenues

At this point, I stopped rolling with keystones.

If I hit them, they're a bonus to what I'm doing. But not what my vet identifies as.

[broken spade]

weapons specialist looks neat at least
if only i could be bothered to path down there

[glass pumice]

problem is the too high point tax the Keystones are inferrior to most of the other classes ones and then you also have the insane point tax in useless nodes that kind of make variable builds hard

[hollow turtle]

Two sweaty toxic zealots are the two Xbox Players for everyone's information.

Could tell they're friends and they're probably doing it again to another team.

[kind scarab]

Checks out

[patent slate]

Wait if weapon specialist gives u 33% range crit chance per stack, and stscks 10 times, u can have up to 330% range crit chance????

[kind scarab]

It doesn't

[hollow turtle]

Its honestly almost become common place for me to block xbox players

[kind scarab]

It just gives you "saltzpyre at home"

You get 1 crit for the first stack of ranged you get, the rest of the stacks are for calculating subnode buffs, for the most part

[patent slate]

But that means if I have 2 stacks I have 100% crit chance

[kind scarab]

No

You just get 1 guaranteed crit, after the first melee kill you get

It's that simple

Ignore the damn tooltip

It's flat wrong

[vague hull]

oh

wow that's strong

[kind scarab]

The just copy-pasted the ability from Vermintide without actually doing anything useful to it

[patent slate]

Only 1 crit hit?

[kind scarab]

Yes

[vague hull]

deadshot kinda not worth it then if I go melee specialist since guarenteed crit

[patent slate]

Or is it every melee kill

[kind scarab]

Just 1 crit, after your first melee kill

[patent slate]

So

[kind scarab]

The rest of the stacks are for calculating subnode buffs, and the attack rate buff (which doesn't matter)

[patent slate]

For me to get 10 critical hits I need 10 melee kills

[kind scarab]

No

You get ONE CRIT

The rest of the stacks DON'T DO ANYTHING

[patent slate]

That's weak as fuck

[kind scarab]

(useful)

[devout atlas]

I think a massive issue with Vets tree is there are too many insanely strong talents you never ever want to not run that are often for many builds really out of the way and that not really an issue at all for most classes

[broken spade]

yeah it actually says "on your next shot"

[patent slate]

How is that any good

[kind scarab]

Guaranteed crits on single fire weapons.

Aka, revolver, plasma gun, boltor, shotgun, Headhunter rifle, etc

[broken spade]

is there anything that actually wants both the 1 crit and the attack speed buff?

[kind scarab]

So you can build them all for oneshots on whatever you aim it at

[patent slate]

But like single hit guns have insane crit chance anyway

[broken spade]

actually does the attack speed buff even do anything at all for plasma?

[kind scarab]

Attack speed buff is worthless

[patent slate]

To be fair that helps the plasma gun a shit ton and the bolter

But still

I was hoping to rack up 12 stacks of infernos

[kind scarab]

It effectively means any weapon (that fires single shots) that you build before with a whole ass blessing for crit can be swapped out for literally anything else

[patent slate]

So

[kind scarab]

And then you just gotta alternate between melee and ranged

[woven shoal]

is there a recommended build for vet?

[patent slate]

That's why plasma guns and bolter are meta rn

[hollow turtle]

Kind of wondering what keystone would work best with helbore

[kind scarab]

Middle

[broken spade]

bolter with wep specialists sounds jank as hell
slow swap speed

[devout atlas]

depends what you want

[kind scarab]

100%, but it works

(badly, but it works)

[solemn niche]

the headshot damage on the mk6 powersword push attack is secretly op https://streamable.com/j9i7dj

[woven shoal]

i'm new so something easy to ease me into the game?

[tardy vigil]

bolter not so much, usable, not that swap speed hurts

[broken spade]

I feel like i'd just be wishing it was a revolver the entire time if i went for that

[hollow turtle]

Yeah, that checks out.

[patent slate]

So what tree path would be good for bolter

Ik bolters not shit

[kind scarab]

It'd boil down to something similar to this, but you'd sac some points to get to the infinite ammo node

[patent slate]

I think

[kind scarab]

Toss Ogryn damage, and some of the util nodes up top, and you'd be good

[hollow turtle]

I'll have to forego my infil on it.

[patent slate]

Does bolter work with deadshot

[hollow turtle]

Actually. Why would I need the survivalist on a helbore anways.

[tardy vigil]

Hard to say, i remember there being a boss slayer build with the bolter that did some obscene amounts of damage when set up right

[broken spade]

I personally went with a lot of left and middle nodes when going bolter
Left cause not having suppression immunity on bolter is cancer and ammo is nice

[tardy vigil]

but yeah, mix of left and center

[patent slate]

People saying bolter spam is shit but what I've seen it shreds anything

[gritty mural]

genuine question has anyone here completed the make every shot count penance?

[tardy vigil]

main problem is ammo eco as always with the bolter

great damage, but an ammo hog

[gritty mural]

since patch 13?

[patent slate]

Shouldn't survivalist be op with bolter

[tardy vigil]

1 shot per specialist with the bolter for survivalist

so if you're always 1tapping specials with it, yeah

[broken spade]

I just ran bolter with pretty much the same tree as my plasma build
So this

Could give up longshot

dunno what you'd take instead

[sleek cairn]

go straight down mid

[broken spade]

could grab the keystone i guess but i tried the keystone and never have it active

oh yeah, give up longshot for rending

[devout atlas]

it feels like veteran is missing like 5 talent points it's so painful

[sleek cairn]

yup, 1 point away 10% rending is never a wrong answer

[hybrid token]

they just need to merge some talents and make the rows shorter

[woven shoal]

can someone suggest me a basic build for someone new? playing mkxii lasgun

[sleek cairn]

it affects melee too so it might help with ur breakpoints

[hybrid token]

like the +50% suppression could easily be baked in with something else

[broken spade]

I kinda just reused my plasma build so i forgot about needing rending for bolter

[sleek cairn]

tbh almost every point downwards from where u left off has high value

[broken spade]

the rending isn't really doing much on a psword plasma build

I think it adds like literally 30 damage

[sleek cairn]

yeah but 10% rending as a path node to keystone is.. pretty darn good actually

[patent slate]

Sometimes I pray for even 1 extra talent point

[broken spade]

I don't have 2 points to give up unfortunately

[gleaming turtle]

Marksman isn't really useful on Bolter, neither is 10% Elite damage, TBH. If you are popping heads.

[patent slate]

When doing the vet tree you become a kid and be like I want dis dis and dat

Then u realize that shit cost money

[misty turtle]

I have

[tardy vigil]

agreed, you'd benefit alot more from focus target + redirect fire

[sleek cairn]

Norris is completely right. The more u sacrifice left side for the mid keystone, the better ur damage

the tradeoff defensively and offensively and support wise is superior

u just do everything better, stronger, harder and faster

[gritty mural]

were you able to miss a couple shots? and if yes then what weapon did you use?

[tardy vigil]

shotguns are probably the best weapon to use iirc

[sleek cairn]

for example, the mid keystone gives stamina, toughness, instant 25k boss dmg, affects melee AND grenades, and 12% damage that transfers so long as u kill a single marked enemy.

Not taking into account the 10% rending to get there or the focus stacks themselves.

On top of all that, it affects your whole team. not just you

the value is triple what u got on the left

[gritty mural]

just asking because a friend of mine missed only two shots and still hasnt gotten it

[tardy vigil]

so grab an agri and resist the urge to use the slug special

[patent slate]

This is what I came up with

For bolter

[broken spade]

If you're willing to change grenades, you could save a point

[tardy vigil]

swap kraks for shredder and get redirect fire

assuming you're using psword as melee

[patent slate]

I was thinking of using devils claw

I don't like power sword too much

[misty turtle]

I missed a couple, I used the revolver because it had the least ammo in reserve. made a melee oriented build, emptied my magazine and tnen did mostly melee for the rest of the mission

[tardy vigil]

devils claw can work, just means you'd be SOL if a crusher pack descended on you with low ammo

[vague hull]

is this a double dip on plague ogryns?

[sleek cairn]

he's a dclaw god

do not worry

[frank ledge]

This is the state of auric damnation, people under-geared, refusing to dodge traps/dogs eating pox busters

[polar pagoda]

Does exec stance highlight normal shooters as well for allies when you get both those 2 ability modifiers?

[patent slate]

This is true

[tardy vigil]

how much damage does dclaw parry do to crushers again?

[sleek cairn]

enough.

[patent slate]

But I can't do anything if a crusher swarm makes a circle around me

Like most individuals

[sleek cairn]

actually most individuals slaughter them being surrounded

your dclaw is made for it

[patent slate]

But u get bonked from behind

And if a box burster runs in I just die

[sleek cairn]

#veteran-class message

This is about the speed for dclaw parry

[patent slate]

I could spam parry button

[jolly hemlock]

can someone tell me how a good las pistol would look like? im in need for a ranged weapon replacement since recon nerf

[devout atlas]

ability modifiers need to stop being mandatory if you want any keystone

[sleek cairn]

its not psword fast but its good enough for most scenarios

[devout atlas]

I dont gaf about ability modifiers why am I forced to spend talent points on them

[sleek cairn]

@patent slate if u add in the nodes beyond the keystone, u should reach more breakpoints

saving u ammo as well

[tardy vigil]

take that back, for the emperor is fun and shouldn't have been nerfed

[devout atlas]

I'm saying they shouldn't be a mandatory pick before every keystone

[patent slate]

You know if the devs just used the old vet skilrree and added the keystones underneath it would be fine

But they had to add unneeded points

[devout atlas]

legit

[kind scarab]

No, they only count as monstro

[devout atlas]

there's so much trash everywhere

[patent slate]

I'm wasting 3 points just to get to extra ammo

Wtf

[devout atlas]

5% health here +1 stamina there fuck me dawg

[patent slate]

5% is never going to save u anyway

If your shield breaks your fucked anyway

[devout atlas]

you want extra ammo as an ogryn it's only 2 points for two of the abilities

[sleek cairn]

you aimed for the extra ammo?

i thought that was u traveling past it lol

the 25% ammo on vet tree right? u went down left just to specifically grab it

i forgot the 3 points prior to it. trying to remember so i know why u called it 3 wasted points

[patent slate]

Extra ammo is something I always get

It helps a shitton

[devout atlas]

vet feels so underwhelming once u play voidstrike crit build once

[gleaming turtle]

So, where do you guys lie when it comes down to the Plasma currently in terms of tree builds? I know a lot of people really hype up the Weapon Specialist/Ammo leech build, but I think you give up a lot to get there, and I am skeptical of the overall value added. Sure, it's technically a crit each time you kill something; but it requires nonstop QQ the entire game to just try and off-set the damage potential losses from the value added talents down the mid and left trees. Further, I think we all know this is only really viable if you give up Survivalist or Agile. I am still not really sold on this paradigm despite playing with it for a few days.

[patent slate]

Especially if your not using the lasguns

[tardy vigil]

There's alot more than just the ability modifiers that are the problem, atleast those are usuable. I cannot think of a reason why anyone would want Vanguard, Covering Fire, Serrated Blade, Opening Salvo, or Keep Heads down

[sleek cairn]

most plasma builds are mid tree.

if they are melee and happen to use plasma, then right tree

[patent slate]

Cause I gotta get the tiny nodes like toughness and 5% hp and range damage

[tardy vigil]

two ways to play plasma, center build focused around agile engagement to help reach the gunner bodyshot breakpoint, or as you stated weapon specialist

[patent slate]

It's just in da way

[devout atlas]

there's too many "must haves" in the vet tree that are on the other side of the tree

[gleaming turtle]

Don't forget Catch a Breath/Kill Zone. Literally useless talents if you aren't playing on like... Malice, lmao.

[tardy vigil]

oh yeah, those two as well

[patent slate]

I mean if your sniper game play

[sleek cairn]

while true, it's also cuz the tradeoff nodes elsewhere are.. not as good. the toughness/stam node for example is really high value.

[devout atlas]

catch a breath is so hilariously slow

[tardy vigil]

woe, stealth poxwalker be upon ye

[gleaming turtle]

Crap still spawns behind you, all the time.

[sleek cairn]

you could argue very few nodes on the entirety of vet tree can even match that toughness/stam node

[gleaming turtle]

I tried for two days to play as a "sniper" and just gave up because of the nonstop poxwalker spawns.

[patent slate]

True but the curios can just give u 40% toughness for 0 points

[gleaming turtle]

The director will literally not allow you to play this style.

[sleek cairn]

what?

[tardy vigil]

but yeah, any of the no enemy within 8m nodes are worthless unless you know where each "out of bounds" camp spot are for each of the sit down and wait objectives

[sleek cairn]

oh you mean the tiny tiny ones

haha yeah ur completely right

i thought u meant the keystone nodes

yeah those points are fking useless

[patent slate]

Target down seems pretty good

[sleek cairn]

5% health, pfft

[patent slate]

But idk if I can pull it off in a horde

[tardy vigil]

overall though, 7 nodes which serve very little purpose and functionality other than to serve as a tax could be used to reshuffle the tree very very nicely

[sleek cairn]

no trust me, target down is insane

u dont have to kill it urself

[gleaming turtle]

Competitive Urge also belongs in the trash at 2.5%

[vague hull]

oh fair

[tardy vigil]

meh, enough chaff spawns that it gets good uptime, just that most builds dont need it for breakpoints

[sleek cairn]

@patent slate unless.. u never tag enemies.

[broken spade]

on average it's like, 40 enemies, and you only need it up again in like 8 seconds

[gleaming turtle]

You also don't have the points, and the low chance on top of the duration makes it always, always, always skippable.

[patent slate]

I mean yea but who's gonna look at the dreg gunner I pinged across the map

And shoot it

[broken spade]

40 enemies in 8 seconds across the team isn't unrealistic

[patent slate]

When they are being raped by things on them

[devout atlas]

Exploit Weakness is so ass too

[sleek cairn]

ur suppose to tag the things ur already killing

melee, not just shooting

[patent slate]

I usually tag the bulwarks n stuff

[gleaming turtle]

What I am saying is that it has never been competitive with the other node you have to pick.

[patent slate]

Idk y

And hounds too

[sleek cairn]

yup, now imagine everything u ever tag giving u stam/toughness to the whole team

[placid portal]

Tag things that i think are baddies

but usually for me to actually see what I'm shooting

XP

[gleaming turtle]

Like, now, it's very much a "Hm, do I want to do more damage to potentially the most dangerous mob in the whole game that isn't a disabler of some kind, OR procc more damage that I might not even notice."

Decisions... Decisions... Decisions...

[delicate moat]

serated blade enables mercy killer + uncanny strike knife

[patent slate]

I know it sounds great on paper but I can't really explain it so I'll try my best, when my team is being swarmed and I tag a hound, we can't kill it in time before it pisses off cause other shits trying to kill us

[sleek cairn]

its not on paper, this is literally umm.. in practice

im saying to test it in practice

[patent slate]

I would really think of tagging bursters cause they run to me and don't piss off

[sleek cairn]

it's the complete opposite, it looks underwhelming on paper but it's crazy in practice

[tardy vigil]

thats a hound, now think about tagging every gunner, every rager, bomber, flamer, etc.

[tropic copper]

Is it me or does the helbore lasgun suck balls

[tardy vigil]

there's so much to tag that you almost have to stop yourself from moving your tag before the previous tag dies

[patent slate]

This is what I've come up with 2

For bolter and mk4 devils claw

[sleek cairn]

that's an excellent tree compared to where u started

[patent slate]

I m thinking of getting deadshot

But idk if it even works on bolter

[delicate moat]

i need to farm a good bolter

is it still pinning fire + shattering impact? or surgical

[sleek cairn]

i dont want to push you too far from your comfort zone; so test this first

If i just told u "drop the 25% ammo" etc, etc. im just being a dick

[patent slate]

I remember getting a 379 bolter just to get a tier 2 blessing on it

[sleek cairn]

keep ur comfort nodes, and just test that keystone

[patent slate]

Ah rng

[sleek cairn]

that keystone alone will change things so.. yeah gogogo

[tardy vigil]

mk3 has some fun 1tap builds against crushers iirc and mk2 clears most specials/elites with one shots

[patent slate]

Tbh I'm just having the 25% ammo as like insurance cause if I run out

It's joevee

[sleek cairn]

it's fine. Every player has their thing

but keystones, u need to try them

[patent slate]

And if my teammates who got yhe ammo pack dies

It's joever

[delicate moat]

ironically i would've run this as a melee centric build lol

[sleek cairn]

wow i dont respect u anymore

you dont get a pass like he does

[delicate moat]

[sleek cairn]

Smoke nade enjoyer but doesnt use smoke nades

melee vet but runs 25% ammo

on left tree

[delicate moat]

[sleek cairn]

you heathen

[delicate moat]

oh i mean i wouldn't even visit left tree

[sleek cairn]

oh

[devout atlas]

ngl the strongest melee vet still feels like ass compared to the most ranged focused ogryn build

[delicate moat]

as in mainly use dclaw and bolter as side weapon

[patent slate]

Is competitive urge even worth it

[sleek cairn]

incredibly high uptime actually, it's just not consistent when u absolutely need it

[patent slate]

And that's the thing I don't get about people who run melee builds on vet

[tardy vigil]

most cases no

[delicate moat]

the strongest melee vet graduates into zealot

[patent slate]

It's a class about guns so why are u using a sword more

Like wtf

[delicate moat]

i like sword

[patent slate]

Just go zealot

[delicate moat]

simple as

[tardy vigil]

because ET is still bugged

[patent slate]

Et?

[tardy vigil]

until ET is fixed, ranged vet will always be very very squishy

Exhilarating takedown

[sleek cairn]

it's because... i know u might not believe it, but vet melee can actually trump zealot melee in a lot of scenarios

[patent slate]

Oh

I forgot what that does

[sleek cairn]

there's a reason so many vet melee tryhards are out here

they're sweaty af

and they have vids to prove it

[delicate moat]

Extraterrestial Toughness

[sleek cairn]

heck smoke nade probably recorded some runs

[tardy vigil]

15% Toughness plus 10% Toughness DR on weakspot skill is insane for ranged vet and is very very missed currently

[nimble sentinel]

I gotchu slime

[patent slate]

Zealot has a node that gives them a straight up 20% dps

How do u outclass that

[patent slate]

That's broken??

[gleaming turtle]

That's broken still.

[patent slate]

What as in it doesn't work

[tardy vigil]

You take 10% more damage per stack currently

[nimble sentinel]

with infinite ammo bruv

[sleek cairn]

lol i dont know what to say to that, im just gonna let u test that keystone first

[gleaming turtle]

Should be fixed in the next patch.

[tardy vigil]

because fatshark forgot to put a negative on the modifier

[hybrid token]

competitive urge gives you 20% damage impact and suppression

[delicate moat]

ET gives u 30% more respect and bragging rights

[patent slate]

Ya but like apparently melee zealot worst than vet in some scenarios

Of course zealot will be worse than vet with guns

It's a dude with guns

[nimble sentinel]

that might just be the psword fanboys

I for one like to dodge

[sleek cairn]

@patent slate i know it's fucking weird but hear me out. You're going to see this weird trickle.

A strange trend. Really good zealots will migrate to melee vet.

Really good gun vets, will drop vet and change to Gun psykers.

This is our game now. you will enjoy it this way from now on.

[patent slate]

Same but when u think of melee builds u don't think of vet

[hybrid token]

thought id try a new fashion, what we think

[delicate moat]

lmao on the gunker

too real

[patent slate]

This shit I will never get

[hybrid token]

gonker

[patent slate]

It like modern art

[sleek cairn]

Because gun vets are pretty shit,

[patent slate]

How does that owkr

Work

[sleek cairn]

compared to gun psykers

that's just the way it is i can't even describe it to u man

[delicate moat]

gun psyker insane

[patent slate]

How do u play like a vet with psyker

Bruv

[devout atlas]

fuck it what's a good melee vet build

[sleek cairn]

Im not fucking joking, go try ur gun psyker out too

[devout atlas]

lol

[dapper vessel]

Columnus IAG

[hybrid token]

when i get outdamaged by a psyker ill uninstall the game

[devout atlas]

gunsyker is nuts

[nimble sentinel]

would if I could but

[tardy vigil]

i havent played my zealot in a long time, outside of the relic, what other support utility does zealot bring that melee support vet doesn't? because 15% ally damage from Redirect, 10% on shout, Allies replenish 15% of toughness you recover just to name the big three

[sleek cairn]

i know u guys wont like it, but i can only achieve 1/3rd of what a gun psyker does to a freakin boss.

For generic play and crowd clear, im half of the gun psyker if i go ranged vet

it's just a shitty situation

[tardy vigil]

and yes, i know born leader is in reality underwhelming as its done by base toughness

[patent slate]

Zealot got this insane node that is lolw 65% damage reduction for allies

[sleek cairn]

all ammo packs have twice as much value for the psyker than my vet

[devout atlas]

voidstrike when built even post nerf can still two tap Crushers

[patent slate]

And he can legit heal corruption

Shits insane

[sleek cairn]

if i see an ammo pack and the psyker wants it. I bend over.

[nimble sentinel]

incendiary grenades are also pretty great

[patent slate]

Yes

[nimble sentinel]

crusher with the zappy on is the best crowd control not on ogryn afaik

[patent slate]

If I see a psyker using a revolver and a chainsword

[delicate moat]

this I run with dclaw + revolvo, works in AM, not sure if best but works for me

[tardy vigil]

wish i saw more of that node rather than the knife zealot speedrunners then

[patent slate]

I'm questioning what I'm playing

[patent slate]

When I play zealot I'm just a medic support build

Its more fun keeping allies alive then carrying

Plus I don't sweat my asscheeks

[balmy terrace]

That is half of what carrying is lol

[sleek cairn]

if you guys are unhappy with ranged vet, try out gun psyker!

[devout atlas]

legit did the same but with smokes and weakpoint which btw you should absolutely run on dc4 it amps its parry headshot DPS way the fuck up

[sleek cairn]

gogo

[nimble sentinel]

what I run with my plasma more or less, I'm giving this my dumbest of ass seal of veteran approval

[patent slate]

It's even more fun when your in a team of 3 brogryns and your just keeping them alive

[sleek cairn]

honestly im still offended by his name and his lack of smoke nade

[patent slate]

Better than gun psyker I bet

[delicate moat]

does dc4 have higher parry DPS than dc7?

[sleek cairn]

I actually ran smoke nades because of his name; and he betrayed me

[delicate moat]

lol

[sleek cairn]

i was hurt

[nimble sentinel]

the only thing I'm smoking is krak

[delicate moat]

I just needed the space creating ability frag nades have

[dapper vessel]

Smokes are fun to force gunners into you

[delicate moat]

I run smokes on different loadout

[sleek cairn]

he said 30second nades. i ran 30second nades and sacrificed 2 points.

[devout atlas]

I didn't even know they have different parry damage

[sleek cairn]

then he told me "nah i dont use smokes"

need to clutch pearls

[patent slate]

This might be very controversial but revolvers feel like a zealot weapon more than a vet weapon

[delicate moat]

hey I enjoy smokes, but I don't use them all the time

I usually use them next week

[patent slate]

Like vet I thought should always have assault rifles and shit

[nimble sentinel]

come to think of it, while you're here @delicate moat share thy wisdom I wish to learn more

[patent slate]

Not some revolver in his pocket

[nimble sentinel]

what makes smokes work?

[hybrid token]

right tree is rambo tree so its all about the stabbin

so revolvers cool there

[balmy terrace]

Sounds like you're fighting with very restrictive ideas of each class' identity more than anything else tbh

[tardy vigil]

this is what i run with psword, only swapping to plasma inorder to take out gunners or a trapper hiding behind 4 bulwarks

[patent slate]

Yes

[devout atlas]

crazy how vet gets 25% crit chance by sacrificing all of their stamina for 5 bullets without curios but zealot can get 30% for just existing (and 50% damage reduction after hitting one)

[sleek cairn]

The long trail of smoke u see in the air. It's pretty satisfying to throw it but i dont really need the nade for anything lol

style points

it's to show my team dominance on vent purge

try smoke nades on lights out or vent purge, u'll fall in love

flashlights can't penetrate it

[patent slate]

Flashlights barely do anything anyway

[warped robin]

which Psword is better guys?

[patent slate]

You can see the eyes glowing in the dark before you see them with the flashlight

[sleek cairn]

lol true

[tardy vigil]

personal preference, 6 has the highest single target damage potential with guard push attack but slows you down on charge, 3 doesn't slow on charge but guard push chains to a heavy sweep

[nimble sentinel]

only if they're rushing you specifically, gotta babysit the other 3 dummies every now and then and a flashlight helps find the zombies chewing on their cheeks

[nimble sentinel]

^

[warped robin]

also noticed that one of the swords (i think it was 6) can charge while blocking while (i think 3) stops the block to charge

[tardy vigil]

yes

[patent slate]

Nvm revolver be one tapping crushers

[tardy vigil]

3 favors mobility over defence, 6 otherwise

[patent slate]

Shits crazy

[tardy vigil]

also some minor variations with their attack patterns, 6 is very straight horizontals on light wheras 3 is a flat x pattern

[patent slate]

Also the fact that scrab gunners have a 360 growing green aura around them makes flashlights useless

[sleek cairn]

wut r u going to do. throw me out the window?

[warped robin]

also just to be sure - this passive is global right

[solemn niche]

focused target is really nice for monstrosities https://streamable.com/ig4r8f

[tardy vigil]

me spamming t makes flashlights useless

[hybrid token]

imagine playing the worst class psyker ayy lmao

[sleek cairn]

yup there we go

[sleek cairn]

it's because focus target works for melee, ranged, nades and ur whole team. so damn good.

[warped robin]

ngl focus target is the goat

[patent slate]

Wait isn't the entire weapon specialist tree just agile engagements slightly more religious cousin

[sleek cairn]

no it's crazier than that

imagine never needing to reload again

[hybrid token]

weapon specialist is bonkets

[sleek cairn]

lol

[low wadi]

what do i want for revo with vet?

[hybrid token]

absolutely honkers bonkers

[sleek cairn]

U can literally go entire matches never reloading thanks to right tree

[low wadi]

any special build with revo?

[tardy vigil]

weapon specialist

[patent slate]

But it's only 3% from your resverve

[delicate moat]

Outside of downsides being blinding the fuck out of your teammates and obscuring sniper positions, you can use smokes in several styles:

Defensive Smoking

This one is easy. You just throw a smoke nade at your team's feet. Provides full protection against basic ranged enemies, aggro'd gunners will shoot last known location. Good for relieving some of the ranged pressure if your team needs to hold a position or needs to focus on the melee threats. Useful against a whole room of shotgunners as well.

Aggressive Smoking

I feel like this is when you actually get more value out of smokes by using them aggressively, to push a position or to relocate as a team.

If you have some encounter ranged spawns (not aggro'd yet), they could be trivialized by tossing a smoke at their location and aggressively pushing them.

If you have aggro'd range spawns, you might be pinned down by gunners and reapers. In this case, you can use smokes to do two things: (1) you can toss a smoke towards the gunner lines (don't be afraid to use more than 1) to create a passageway to close the distance; (2) you can use a smoke (or more) to create a corridor so your team could relocate to a better position (say your team is unfortunately caught mid-transition and in the open).

Miscellaneous Uses

Smokes are great for revives. Usually you can rely on your toughness and stamina to tank melee enemies on your downed teammate, but ranged enemies easily can break your toughness and break your revive. With a smoke, you have a better chance at reviving your teammate (esp. if teammate is for some reason out in the open and there's some gunners beaming their body).

[patent slate]

Or is it per stack

Cause if it's per stack that's crazy

[sleek cairn]

oh lawd smoke enjoyer came

[hybrid token]

its per stack

[low wadi]

u have any talentbuilds u could share?

[sleek cairn]

give me like 5 minutes to read this OK?

[patent slate]

Holy smokes

[hybrid token]

10 melee killes and reload 33% of your magazine

[mint raft]

This is probably asked quite a bit, but...
can anyone point me out to a good Auric ready build?

[hybrid token]

with revolver you onely need 1 kill

to get 1 bullet

so just blast a special

stab

[patent slate]

Wait so uea the revolver would be crazy with weapon specialist

[hybrid token]

blast a special

stab

[patent slate]

Oh shit

[hybrid token]

blast a special

stabv

[sleek cairn]

YES

exactly that

[solemn niche]

weapon specialist revolver confirmed new meta

[hybrid token]

also it gives you crit

[sleek cairn]

u dont even have a blast a special

[low wadi]

i have chain sword, is that ok with revo?

[sleek cairn]

u can press Q super quick to just load a bullet

[fathom grail]

Aggressive Smoking

[sleek cairn]

sometimes i just slash and spam Q to reload the entire gun

[hybrid token]

yeah you can just swap to your gun and back again to load bullets

and carry on stabbing

[sleek cairn]

that's why i said 2 of the vet keystones change ur playstyle entirely

[solemn niche]

whats the name of the revolver blessing that gives you more crit after you kill someone in melee

[hybrid token]

point blank

[sleek cairn]

not just any amount of crit, it literally gives u 100% crit chance with revolver lol

[low wadi]

you want agile engagement right?

[sleek cairn]

yes

[devout atlas]

gonna run this with dc4 and rev I guess

[sleek cairn]

agile engagement and right keystone goes hand in hand

[low wadi]

survivalist?

or fire team?

[sleek cairn]

no, fuck survivalist

[delicate moat]

if only you had 2 more pts for iron will lul

[sleek cairn]

if krak nades, fire team.

[low wadi]

is this the build?

[hybrid token]

revolver melee build doesnt need survivalist

you shouldnt be shooting that much

[sleek cairn]

get the brittle on melee crit node

[devout atlas]

sure

[sleek cairn]

and since ur using shout, the overshield and iron will synergize.

so make ur way to iron will somehow

[patent slate]

Marksman focus seems really bad

I'm gonna be honest here

[devout atlas]

I know </3

[patent slate]

I can't even imagine standing still to get stacks

[sleek cairn]

wut node made u stand still lol

[bitter turtle]

i dont think you're suppose dto stand still

[delicate moat]

my current loadouts don't use any marksman focus, only has middle tree and melee focus

[bitter turtle]

i think you're supposed to shoot things to get the stack loss immunity

for headshots

[low wadi]

where

[sleek cairn]

right before ur 10% melee aspd

above the keystone

he chose the left node instead of right

[patent slate]

And I like how it tries to justify it by saying if u get a headshot kill you get to move for 1 SECOND

I'm disabled but I get to move for 1 SECOND

[delicate moat]

i mean, with something like columnus, it's pretty easy to recover the stacks

[sleek cairn]

oh THAT side of the tree.

[low wadi]

thx, btw what is brittleness? 🙂

[patent slate]

It still sucks 😔

[sleek cairn]

to make it simple, pretend it's rending but not on you. for the enemy so any teammate hitting it will benefit

[patent slate]

I have to be hitting headshots every second just to move

[low wadi]

ok thankx

[patent slate]

Lmao

[delicate moat]

there's also camo though

[untold mulch]

Works better with magdump full auto

The funny never ends

[delicate moat]

so you can passively get stacks

[untold mulch]

Is 3, but imo felt less

Hit is 1 supposedly

[low wadi]

this bad?

[delicate moat]

decent

problem is u need to go through hadron now

[untold mulch]

Not a great critical, but usable

[sleek cairn]

@untold mulch im going to be honest, when i go left tree, i run camouflage and just melee things lol

ranged weakspot kill? fk it.

im just stupid

[untold mulch]

wtf

[delicate moat]

melee wp hits should also count

so u can build a melee marksman focus

[placid portal]

sadge that markmen focus does not affect lucius bayonet finesse

[untold mulch]

Or just make moving while aiming not cost stacks

Or make it you lose stacks for missing weak spotS

[sleek cairn]

haha i was trying to be a gun vet ok? but i have this muscle memory of whipping out my melee.

I kept losing my stacks. So i took camouflage

[delicate moat]

too real

[vague hull]

fellas what do i gotta spam for fast exp

[placid portal]

Lucius mk1 stabbing is so fucking strong wtf

[delicate moat]

i cannot make myself not dodge or whatever, so if I run it I have to take camo

[untold mulch]

I just gave up on the keystone.

I hope is fixed, but I doubt it

[low wadi]

this?

[delicate moat]

auric maelstrom the hardest difficulty u can handle with modifiers on quickplay

[placid portal]

Not bad

aurics are lvl 30 exclusive iirc

[delicate moat]

oh lul i forgor

[vague hull]

heresy it is then

i don't see my ass clearing damnation at 20

[delicate moat]

it feels like sub-30s are playing auric maelstrom most of the time

[vague hull]

or maybe i can

power sword 6 kinda carrying my ass hard

[delicate moat]

eh plently of sub 30s do fine in damnation, ironically it's the player level usually between 30 ~ 100 that is sus

[sleek cairn]

you definitely can

trust in urself

[placid portal]

Legit I just realised Lucius mk1 bayonet stab stunlocks a rager

[sleek cairn]

believe in the pee sword

when i first came to this channel, i thought psword was an euphemism for penis

[low wadi]

what blessings for revo?

[delicate moat]

the sub-30s in damnation are more often more solid than the lvl 30~100 teammates

[delicate moat]

hand cannon, surgical

[low wadi]

thx

[vague hull]

that's almost 190k melee damage with a very suboptimal ps6 in heresy lol, weapon is bonker

[low wadi]

and flak/maniac?

perk

[sleek cairn]

heck yeah keep it up sir

[delicate moat]

carapace (or something else idk) + crit chance can work

[vague hull]

just gotta hold out for something else than supercharge

[sleek cairn]

if you want here's azreal's revolver

[delicate moat]

enjoy the powercycler 4 hunt... it's going to take a while unless u're extremely lucky

[placid portal]

I dunno if anyone tried Lucius mk1 stabbing runs but it's kinda nice

[sleek cairn]

stamina + reload speed. out of date reload speed ha

[low wadi]

fixable?

[delicate moat]

not ideal...

[bitter turtle]

define fixable

[vague hull]

I'd settle on brutal momentum or wrath at this point, really

[bitter turtle]

you're gonna have to keep ranged critical hit dmg

[delicate moat]

usually u want 2 of 4 slots at blue to already be the ones you want

[sleek cairn]

of course it's fixable. smack surgical + hand cannon and use it until u get a better one.

[low wadi]

i think perks are alright no?

[sleek cairn]

it's fine, ur weapon specialist so ur constantly capped at 100% crit

[low wadi]

aight

[sleek cairn]

that crit dmg unironically has higher uptime

might help a few breakpoints u never know

better than trashing the gun when u have no plasteel lol

[delicate moat]

i wish this game had friendly fire

[small mauve]

quick blessing question, blaze away + volatile or blaze away + shattering impact for a plasma gun? and overall, what would be the best blessing with blaze away? the crit one?

[hollow turtle]

This was an interesting game. The 3 psykers had 2 shield walls, 1 venting shriek; 2 smite blitz, 1 brain burst; 2 purgatus, 1 trauma. They kind of just had to walk slowly like terminators. All I had to do was play helbore sniper/krak grenadier on the side and take out any hard targets/specials/elites their abilities would be ineffective at.

[sleek cairn]

no volatile ever. blaze away and whatever

[delicate moat]

blaze away + gets hot is nice

[kind musk]

What would be a good blessing for an MGIa next to the infernus if I don't necessarily want to go for headshots and use it as a sniper rifle ?

[sleek cairn]

helbore user!! i salute u

[delicate moat]

i can appreciate the good helbore users, cuz I don't vibe with helbore myself

the hold-and-fire style is not for me

[sleek cairn]

and the fact bullets get blocked by teammates

[hollow turtle]

Full auto mod helps with it firing on its own upon full charge.

[delicate moat]

triple ogryn gaming

[hollow turtle]

and just repeat firing

[sleek cairn]

he lucked out on 3 psykers instead

[delicate moat]

oh wait it does?

[hollow turtle]

Yeah. It was added to the mod about a month ago.

[sleek cairn]

trust me u dont want it on a helbore 3 tho. maybe 2

[hollow turtle]

Lol why not? I did. Helbore 3 user.

[sleek cairn]

jesus

i salute u even harder

[delicate moat]

maybe I have to try it... I tried helbore exactly once when I was sub-30 and it didn't feel very good to use

[gusty bison]

Too slow firing vs some targets

Is my thoughts on full sending every shot

[sleek cairn]

i dont have the strength or willpower to use full auto mod with helbore 3 lol

[patent slate]

Bru

Hadron is heretic

[gusty bison]

Usually a 40-50% is sufficient

[patent slate]

Trash blessings

[hollow turtle]

I had that onslaught(?) blessing where it charges faster as you fire it. and had like a 78- 80% charge rate

[gusty bison]

Ye its still 0.4s iirc

With full onslaught

Like its deffo notable that vs say... shooters

[delicate moat]

them naming Onslaught (the blessing) and Onslaught (the node) is a awful decision

[hollow turtle]

Lol

People play plasma, I play helbore as my equivalent.

[sleek cairn]

im already imagining the helbore sound effect in my head

@hollow turtle how does it not get stuck in ur head

[low wadi]

how much %dmg is it for melee after u kill specialist with revo?

[delicate moat]

they listen to the mutant mixtape to get it out of their head

[hollow turtle]

Because it always is. It's satisfying to me to hear it and see a crusher fall.

[hollow turtle]

GGRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[digital sinew]

Trying to build classes has me like...

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-charlie-confused-tired-gif-22483513

My insta reload is gone and idk how to build a good class, any advise?

[sleek cairn]

what gun

[hollow turtle]

Tbh. This was my first time taking out my Helbore 3 since the update. I've been playing Lasgun IA and wanted a change of pace.

Lol essentially kept the same tree. Just changed the gun.

[digital sinew]

Short braced auto

[sleek cairn]

helbore really is my most ammo efficient gun.

[gusty bison]

Helbore efficiency is cracked

[hollow turtle]

Same. Especially when I see those two columnus users in the lobby.

[sleek cairn]

hey columnus actually has a really good ammo pool

[wise bridge]

columnus is fine for efficiency, plasma sucks ammo like nobodies business in comparison

[gusty bison]

People tend to use the columnus wrong

Is what Ive noticed

Especially gun psykers

[hollow turtle]

They suck ammo like genuine crack.

[gusty bison]

They will spray hordes like crazy

[hybrid token]

columnus is hilarious coz 60% ammo and 80% ammo are basically the same

barely changes

[umbral scaffold]

average veteran player (this is not me just a random i found in the mourningstar)

[delicate moat]

i cringe everytime i hear full-auto-in-the-building against trash

[small mauve]

okay thanks for the blessings and do you people have a recommended tree for a playstyle based solely around the plasma gun? so switching to melee as little as possible? Currently I'm running this, as I'm trying to be as tanky as possible (as I'm taking quite a few hits by some random mobs that manage to sneak on me), while getting as much damage to try to 1 shot gunners in the chest outside of volley. I do not manage to oneshot the gunners tho, even with ranged damage (elite) and flak armoured damage on the gun. But well I say that, I just got blaze away on the gun too so it should help tremendously. But maybe am I thinking of it the wrong way, and better stay with a shout build? or even taking the keystones at the bottom? In my eyes, none gave me that much value for what I was trying to achieve

[sleek cairn]

columnus has really good ammo efficiency too; i can't say much about it

[hollow turtle]

I was about to say, did you find me? Because I was using krieg attire during that last run.

[hybrid token]

difference between a 0% ammo columnus and 80% is 500 to 580 bullets in the reserve

[bitter turtle]

man

[umbral scaffold]

krieg roleplayers using shovel and helbore

[bitter turtle]

im reminded again that playing helbore is absolutely miserable in pugs lol

[delicate moat]

I'm not good enough to run exec stance in pub lobbies

[gusty bison]

Plasma wants to use melee a lot

[sleek cairn]

cuz if u asked me, my laspistol and shredder, agri brauto, etc. runs out of ammo even faster than columnus

[gusty bison]

Cos of its low ammo count + solid swap speed

[hollow turtle]

I probably could've used my shovel that last run. Only time I had to pull out melee was for trash mobs.

[hybrid token]

fuk that, i use plasma gun from start to finish and shoot everything

[sleek cairn]

oh you're one of those

[hybrid token]

just line up your shots so you hit 10 things with each shot