veteran-class

[still chasm]

Yes I'm aware,

[static lotus]

I think boltgun actually better than plasma

[kind scarab]

Saltzpyre without the endearing sass

and grumpy attitude to the people he cares about

[dusk idol]

for?

[still chasm]

I swapped the perks for manics and unyeilding and it feels good~

[slow spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQF_qB0eADg

[umbral scaffold]

Sigmarite stare

[slow spade]

na I just want sexy Saltzpyre UwU

[static lotus]

For killing big ones, monstrosities especially

[slow spade]

bolter bad, recon good

[still chasm]

Oooh

Welp

[kind scarab]

sigh

[tight dragon]

boltgun feels like the worse weapon in the game for aurics

[bitter turtle]

well that makes sense

[kind scarab]

Now i gotta play more V2

[bitter turtle]

considering plasma is terrible at killing monstros

[slow spade]

have fun comrade :D

[bitter turtle]

plasma is more like revolver than bolter

[umbral scaffold]

Whip some heads with the executioner for me

[slow spade]

??? I find plasma does well vs bosses

[static lotus]

Dunno how you people make it work

[slow spade]

I don't

UwU

[dusk idol]

bolter does excel at monstro damage

[bitter turtle]

it absolutely is not very good at them, they had to buff it with the last round of gun buffs because it was actually trash tier vs bosses lol

now its just

ok

[slow spade]

Helbore mk.3 bayonet vs Beast of Nurgle time

[bitter turtle]

ish

still not recommended though

[slow spade]

I suppose compared to just weakspot block attacks with P-sword

which is surprisingly good

[dusk idol]

any gun vs beast of nurgle’s pimple lmao

[sleek cairn]

no stam while running psword? hmm.. ur one crazy solo'er

[umbral scaffold]

I like the suppression immunity and always prepared they feel a bit necessary imo

[sleek cairn]

ur stamina management is otherworldly lol

[umbral scaffold]

Helps me head click gunners

[bitter turtle]

#veteran-class message

[slow spade]

real vets use +3 wounds

[static lotus]

Which is strange i always thought plasma is boss kill weapon thunderhammer of the veteran.

[umbral scaffold]

Aripnaa shotgun with no respite kinda ramps up on beast of nurgle weakspot

[bitter turtle]

granted that was last patch tho lol

[frank ether]

sounds like average late night auric game

bayonet time

[kind scarab]

Real Vets don't run wounds, they run stamina cause it helps them yell for longer about cadia

[slow spade]

"stamina management" I think you mean mag dumping and panic pushing 💪

[whole moon]

Columnus w raking fire devastates that forbidden capri sun, shame better options than raking tho

[umbral scaffold]

Wounds

[slow spade]

one day, it'll be a viable build

[umbral scaffold]

More like uhhh

Poos

[slow spade]

brb buying melk curios and hadron to make a new build for reasons

[kind scarab]

[sleek cairn]

well let's think about it guys. Azreal runs solo auric maelstroms, even monstros, No bots, with base stamina on a psword.

[kind scarab]

Show me whatever you end up doing

[sleek cairn]

Where u can't dodge for shit

that's godlike stamina management lol

[naive hatch]

I need more Melk money but I've already done mine for the weeeeeek

[static lotus]

I still have zero+3 stamina curios

[slow spade]

Azreal is also a heretic spy

[kind scarab]

^

Can confirm, why else do you think he studies our breakpoints?

[slow spade]

I've never Azreal in the Emperor's light

have you???

[kind scarab]

He's finding out the best ways to kick our asses

[slow spade]

.>

[whole moon]

No, I've never Azrael either

[sleek cairn]

i run all 3 as well on my curios

but im caxe2

i get to dodge

lol

exactly

[slow spade]

exactly, I've already called the Ordo Sinister to pick up Azreal

[sleek cairn]

i dont really special or push attack much either

but psword needs it

[bitter turtle]

i dont block on anything

dodge memes forever

[sleek cairn]

so im just surprised

[pearl sapphire]

Opinions on the hellbore?

[slow spade]

I usually only block on bosses

[kind scarab]

Someone pick a class for me to run in V2 it's been a hot sec and I think I'll let y'all decide my fate

[pearl sapphire]

I want to see debates

[brisk umbra]

Have a good team

[umbral scaffold]

Foot knight

[bitter turtle]

ya

i dont like playing helbore in pugs ngl

[slow spade]

used to be good by itself, now the enemy is too aggressive without a reliable team

[bitter turtle]

its good though

[kind scarab]

Disgusting choice. Sure.

[pearl sapphire]

Obviously

[umbral scaffold]

Halberd and musket

For sigma

[brisk umbra]

Hellbore is good if you use a mod to get a good sight and have an actual good team, otherwise trash tier 0/10

[pearl sapphire]

Sadly, needs its deploy time reduced by a good bit

[south spindle]

Guys with Plasma does Volatile make any difference if you got 80 charge rate?

[kind scarab]

Aight bet

[sleek cairn]

i need to watch ur run(s) again so i can see how u manage ur stamina vs boss + mixed horde rush

[tight dragon]

the only valide reason to pick helbore is for krieg cosplay at this point

[south spindle]

As in does it negatively effect the damage from the charge rate bug

[slow spade]

the only trick Vet has for that is to use Executioner's Stance to instantly pull out the Helbore

[bitter turtle]

just run smoke nades + infiltrate

[pearl sapphire]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

with helbore

[sleek cairn]

i just flopped dead on my psword 6 cuz muscle memory dodge lol

[bitter turtle]

and force your team to deal with the other enemies

[slow spade]

oh right Infiltrate

I forgot about that

[umbral scaffold]

Kruber is basically the vet so feel free to post about how it goes in here

[brisk umbra]

run MS too so other people can seethe at not having ammo

[umbral scaffold]

This is now officially #kruber-chat

[kind scarab]

Nah, Saltz is the vet

[slow spade]

light attack spam -> win

[brisk umbra]

wasn't push attack the op one with halberd?

[whole moon]

He's clearly the Zealot

[kind scarab]

Fun fact halberd on Shouty Kruber was my first weapon of choice for the longest time

[sleek cairn]

lol i wish

[whole moon]

HOLY LUSTRATIONS!

[dusk idol]

it shouldn’t

[kind scarab]

Musket time boiz

[brisk umbra]

Chaos Waste or bust

[kind scarab]

How I miss ammo on headshot

[kind scarab]

Nah, takes too long

[south spindle]

Right on, cheers dude

[kind scarab]

I'mma do my favourite mission

[topaz lance]

Vet has both Krubers shout and Huntsman ults

[slow spade]

pls give to revolver kk thx

[kind scarab]

I fucking wish

[tight dragon]

speaking about bolters, is it even worth salvaging this shit, feels like reload speed 80 is a must

[dusk idol]

it’s not a must, just a nice to have

[kind scarab]

keep that shit

It's pretty good, not bad

[topaz lance]

very good roll stat wise

[dusk idol]

if you run elite kill reload speed you’ll be fine

[languid rose]

Fellas, what are the "good" blessings on the Catachan MK VII?

[umbral scaffold]

That’s the default for him imo

[umbral scaffold]

No way saltz literally has a subclass named zealot

[tight dragon]

guess i'll just keep it until fatshark decides to buff the weapon

[dusk idol]

rampage and savage sweep/skullcrusher/shred

[languid rose]

Thanks Kyo

[dusk idol]

shred is mostly for zealots but if you get it keep it

[umbral scaffold]

Although saltz fills more of a role of the inquisitor than a random small priest he’s most analogous to the zealot

[topaz lance]

whixh axe is best for hordes?

[dusk idol]

*unless you have the freedom to change it to the others

[dusk idol]

Rashad and Antax are good

[umbral scaffold]

Get one with brutal momentum

Antax is my personal favorite

[topaz lance]

Thanks! Whixh has the more braindead combos?

I'm dumb

[umbral scaffold]

I think Rashad has wide heavy attacks while the antax has a simple strike down heavy

[dusk idol]

they’re both the same

[languid rose]

Got Shred and Wrath
and Maniac Damage + Crit chance, I can make one more change ;O

[dusk idol]

same attack patterns

only difference is push attack and finesse stat on Rashad

[umbral scaffold]

I may be thinking of a different axe

I haven’t used the rashad

[whole moon]

If you inspect a weapon and hover over its stat not only do you see your value for that stat you see the range it falls between so you can work out how bad a 60 reload is Vs an 80 by looking there

[dusk idol]

swap out wrath for rampage and you’re sweet

[topaz lance]

yep That is basically power cycler (or whatever it's called) for them in terms of effectiveness, right?

[umbral scaffold]

Yep infinite cleave pretty much as far as I know

[topaz lance]

Thank you!

[umbral scaffold]

I think since patch 13 they changed how the cleave works with BM

[topaz lance]

That would make it better with the weakspot damage node I assume

[languid rose]

Thank

[umbral scaffold]

Before the patch I would swing the axe through an entire horde 360 and it would cleave through all of them it was pretty insane

Yea I think it may just be a visual change

[dusk idol]

so you can one shot 4 guys, essentially

so long as your swing will kill them in one hit

[umbral scaffold]

Not doubting it’s better it definitely feels better it just looks different it’s hard for me to explain

That makes sense

I was wondering why it was just different looking but also simultaneously felt stronger

[topaz lance]

Thanks, screencapping this as a resource!

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks for the explanation, my old trusty BM axe was collecting dust

[topaz lance]

Rashaad seems interesting to me since I hate hate hate the overheads

[dusk idol]

overheads are purely for chonk targets

they do less damage to maniacs than lights do for some reason though

[topaz lance]

Sorry to clarify, I hate the crusher/mauler overheads

[dusk idol]

oh lol

your overheads > theirs

[kind scarab]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MISS

[hearty panther]

antax special also stuns muties if you get em in their facehole

[kind scarab]

Being able to tell the fucking bots to pick up the books

[dusk idol]

if you hit a crusher in the head while he’s swinging he’ll get staggered out of it

same with maulers, it’s great

[topaz lance]

Yeah that sounds good

[south spindle]

@dusk idol Apparently it does, which is sad

I got the blessing name wrong lol, Volatile

[half wigeon]

jesus iam tired of theses lvl 30 going auric maelstrom

[dusk idol]

sadge

[south spindle]

Aye, guess we can hope it gets adressed in a future patch

[dusk idol]

think it’s been known as an issue since May

[topaz lance]

How do the axes fare against montrosities btw?

[south spindle]

Ye, its been a while now

Strange bug

[dusk idol]

outside of thunderhammer

[umbral scaffold]

Axe is very goateded

[grand sable]

opinions on taking close and kill instead of survivalist for extra points

[dusk idol]

it’s pretty easy to just keep overheading monstrosities

[umbral scaffold]

Do it

[dusk idol]

unless it’s chaos spawn

[topaz lance]

That's good!

Thanks for the axe info everyone!

[dusk idol]

I miss the old thrust bug

watching a zealot fucking annihilate a DH was hilarious

[kind scarab]

Rip elf

[grand sable]

deserved

[topaz lance]

good

[hollow turtle]

But what if I like the elf?

[kind scarab]

I'll get her back, don't worry

She ain't done slaying heretics

[whole moon]

Awwwwh I wanted to kill the Elf

[gusty heart]

good

[hollow turtle]

Feeling cute today. Might purposely shoot a barrel when a player is next to an edge for fun.

[sleek cairn]

oh my god, i crashed and tried to rejoin but the session doesnt exist anymore

[delicate moat]

shoots u off the map OwO

[hollow turtle]

Means they lost because of you.

[sleek cairn]

oh shit..

[hollow turtle]

😆

[sleek cairn]

i felt bad

[umbral scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049121734554566686/1084139569013854368/image.png?ex=65621627&is=654fa127&hm=620027a149cc1835464a5eccc4d2f60dbd6ba77a1bc69734985886e5bd3f4f4c&

[sleek cairn]

i dont crash very often so i wanted to ask lol

[hollow turtle]

And you should feel bad.

[delicate moat]

did u crash, or did the server also crash

[sleek cairn]

nah has to be me. my other friends are still playing

[kind scarab]

I got distracted

[hollow turtle]

You left them to die!

[kind scarab]

[sleek cairn]

if i was EU-side i'd play with u doc

[hollow turtle]

Lol if I still had it installed, I would play it.

THough I know I'd suck.

[kind scarab]

Honestly went far better than I expected, considering this is 100% a loadout I'd never use

[sleek cairn]

uhh

actually i have no idea

wtf is this

[hollow turtle]

i'm still in it.

Hold on

Is this the first weekend since the update?

[midnight mortar]

How'd you find this picture of me?

[kind scarab]

Yes

[delicate moat]

competitive cooldown for bad behavior

[kind scarab]

I believe so

[sleek cairn]

yes

[hollow turtle]

That would be why.

[delicate moat]

maintenance?

[hollow turtle]

You might have servers at cap. I notice the trend myself when I get that error, it's usually after large updates.

People are on for the weekend trying out the update.

[delicate moat]

[cold shell]

Do I want slaughterer on a chain axe?

[kind scarab]

either way, I should get some sleep. It's 4 in the morning, and if I can't solo against the grain with the worst build ever, I clearly need sleep

[tight dragon]

Delete the evidence before fatshark kills the PS for good this time

[hollow turtle]

No you just suck. Admit it.

I suck too. Don't worry. 🥺

[kind scarab]

Against the grain is my most played map, I don't care if I haven't played V2 since Darktide came out

[dusk idol]

yes, but also, why?

[sharp epoch]

its ok were used to the ps being nerfed every patch

[sleek cairn]

more like delete Brutal Momentum

[cold shell]

one popped up on melkshop with slaughterer 4 and headtaker 3

[dusk idol]

well, you may as well pick it up in case they ever make it good

[delicate moat]

[umbral scaffold]

I took it

[tight dragon]

think i'll give up on focus target passives and grab onslaught instead since i'm only using columnus anyway

i'll still have base focus target

[upper lichen]

omg hadron plz i need this rn

[delicate moat]

stats too good, incoming brick...

[upper lichen]

smashing it

i mean could be a lot worse

[half wigeon]

jesus

it's so bad

[tight dragon]

I mean

[delicate moat]

that's a yikes

[upper lichen]

xD

[tight dragon]

pretty hard to get any worse

[dapper vessel]

lmao

[upper lichen]

im trying not to cry guys gimme a break

[delicate moat]

i mean

[half wigeon]

no break in darktide

[tight dragon]

hey at least you get 8k ordo back

[delicate moat]

i guess u can make it a rush B mk1 IAG?

[half wigeon]

LMAO

[hollow turtle]

Kind of miss that option I had in VT2 where i could choose to only join lobbies that haven't started yet.

Gives me a chance to determine if I should be survivalist.

[delicate moat]

like keep the stamina and stripped down, and just use it full send style

[upper lichen]

nahhh imma keep rollin, steppin up

[delicate moat]

i wish u can wash off blessings and perks

[delicate moat]

thats very good

[upper lichen]

just replace perks ye?

[half wigeon]

very good

yeah the reload

[delicate moat]

flak/maniac and you're golden

[half wigeon]

wish i got that

[upper lichen]

only took 600k and upgraded the two best lol, took me so many millions to get my ogryns stuff

[sleek cairn]

hey Melon, in practice, bromentum increases the number of primary targets taking full damage. Sure, fine with trash. But what happens if u fail to kill a mob halfway through ur mixed horde? 2 bruisers and the rager survives a hit.

then regular cleave mechanics activate for the rest of the swing?

[half wigeon]

the maelstrom rn is so shitty

[delicate moat]

what is it?

[sleek cairn]

On axe, i know exactly what happens. it stops.

[upper lichen]

holy shit this thing packs a punch

[tight dragon]

could've been a columnus tho

[upper lichen]

lol is columnus better?

[delicate moat]

[half wigeon]

yeah

[delicate moat]

i like them both

[upper lichen]

whats the diff|?

[delicate moat]

i feel like mk1 is better for long range engagements in my experience

[half wigeon]

colomnus more dps in close combat and overall

[frank ether]

higher dps

especially up close

[sleek cairn]

@frank ether u happen to know what happens?

[delicate moat]

but yeah cqb columnus is insane dps

[frank ether]

wdym

[sleek cairn]

bromentum question

[half wigeon]

didn't manage to get flak 😭

[sleek cairn]

im a filthy caxe2 user, so my wep usually stops the second it fks up

no idea what happens on an energized psword for dmg calc

[delicate moat]

if minecraft has disenchant, why can't we have disenchant

[half wigeon]

w

[dapper vessel]

charged power sword itself already has a base 8 target cleave iirc

[delicate moat]

it would save so much dockets if u could keep a good base

[frank ether]

oh, you mean for power sword? Just stops afaik

or maybe I'm hitting bulwarks without realising

[dapper vessel]

youre still gonna cleave through the rager but he wont get staggered

[sleek cairn]

but it has base 8 cleave, bromentum gives u full primary dmg until somethin but what about the rest of the units after said rager ?

[delicate moat]

I have a ps6 which has sunder, I need to farm a ps3 which has sunder

[sleek cairn]

my axe will kill all the trash up until.

[dapper vessel]

it has to be the rager that receives the first target damage, and that's also on a certain part in their attack animation where they can get staggered

[sleek cairn]

i see.

well im not questioning if they get staggered, just if it applies secondary target dmg to the remaining units

honestly i should be asking @formal lake he made the damn vid lol

[upper lichen]

stability pretty importany on clumnus?

[atomic zephyr]

i need to invest in a dumdum/firefrenzy agri iag
ive been using a columnus but i feel like it just doesnt hit hard enough to punch through rager hordes

[half wigeon]

yes

[frank ether]

I dont have the mod to test it so you should ask him yes

honestly I just kinda

lost enthusiasm

[sleek cairn]

for.. vet?

[frank ether]

anywhere I look I end up finding a bug

[delicate moat]

i feel like columnus is better at rager hordes already

[atomic zephyr]

maybe im just skill issuing aiming at heads

[frank ether]

I have just given up and I'm just enjoying whatever still works instead

[atomic zephyr]

sometimes it just feels like i only knock down 3 or 4

[bleak bolt]

ive completed 3 investigate missions already (2 of which on heresy) - it hasn't completed, what am i missing here?

[delicate moat]

they're kinda tanky now, so with a horde of ragers u need to get prepared for melee anyways

[atomic zephyr]

i see, thats where i sorta eat shit lol

left tree vet

[frank ether]

left tree is kinda dogwater

even without the bugs

[atomic zephyr]

yeah ik

evne when i play right tree it gets tough tho

not sure why

right or middle

[delicate moat]

left tree against ragers is like, u either have powersword, have a dclaw to parry the shit out of the ragers, or eat shit

[atomic zephyr]

brain go haha off

[plucky agate]

you can see which missions you havent finished by the decorative icon below the mission picutre on the mission board
if it has an icon, youve done it already. I cant screenshot right now to show it

[atomic zephyr]

yeah im rolling left tree for the columnus build

[frank ether]

why would you

[potent lichen]

What guns are best for Weapons Specialist? The best I can think of is revolver, since it swaps fast and crits good

[bleak bolt]

well is there a bug cuz ive literally done all of these to completion on high diff

[atomic zephyr]

finesse and crit spam

[frank ether]

right tree gets better results

[delicate moat]

plasma is good there too

[formal relic]

Shotguns

[frank ether]

all you need is precision strikes and maybe deadshot if you build stamina

[atomic zephyr]

its not hard to build stacks tbf

[potent lichen]

What makes shotguns good for it?

[plucky agate]

plasma, powersword. become jack of all trades

[atomic zephyr]

skip the lengthy reload

lotsa punch

revolvers are good too i think

[trail ginkgo]

Is this boltgun from melk worth getting?

[atomic zephyr]

id say yeah

[frank ether]

bad perks

[plucky agate]

unless they get like really close youre kinda forced to just run away or drop a frag, but from a distance you can comfortably pick them off with 1 or 2 shots with the right Kantrel or Hellbore with 10 stacks

[sleek cairn]

bromentum, primary targets, and what happens for the units after the rager who survives the swing? Damage wise do they get secondary damage or primary target damage

[formal relic]

I'd pass on it unless you really want a bolter.

[sleek cairn]

since psword, unlike caxe2 has inherent cleave

i have no idea what damage is used

[trail ginkgo]

Ok thank you

[delicate moat]

on this patch they can spawn right next to u, so it's kinda hard to maintain distance

[plucky agate]

true dat, director is REALLY unforgiving now adays

[delicate moat]

like a second before there is 0 enemies

a second later i have 8 ragers hugging me

[sleek cairn]

U immediately cleared it for me. Thanks

I get it now.

[plucky agate]

when you think a situation cant get worse, he just sprinkles 8 crushers and 5 bulwarks for good measure plus a wave of mutants

[sleek cairn]

So 4 primary target units worth of dmg.

then regular application

of course

[delicate moat]

oh they are fine, it's the flamers and bombers and trappers that hides behind the carapace that are a PITA

[sleek cairn]

BROMENTUM FOR LIFE.

until u get it nerfed for me

[formal relic]

or actually it's probably worth getting this just to unlock t4 shattering impact, unless you have it already

[plucky agate]

i have been wobmo combod multiple times by gett thrown by a mutant, somehow getting trapped mid air, then getting touched down by a burstrer while getting roasted by flamers. These Mobians are really coordinated

[potent lichen]

What are the (dis)advantages of using kantrael shotty vs lawbringer shotty?

[south prairie]

CADIA STANDS

[sleek cairn]

lawbringer can hit like, 40 units

[merry oak]

CADIA STANDS

[sleek cairn]

that's about all

lol

I have no idea why i'd use the shotgun

to hit a lot of shit at once, not necessarily kill, just hit.

[merry oak]

Helbore bayonet hits diffrent

[trail ginkgo]

Hmmm okay I'll get it for the blessing

[merry oak]

Literally in this case I've never switched to melee when I have the helbore equipped

[delicate moat]

when i get trapped or mutant'd there's always a handy flamer or bomber there to fk up my day

[sick marsh]

we've been conspiring... 👀

[glad stump]

does anyone have any builds for veteran that are good cause i cant come up with anything that dosent die in 2 or 3 hits on dam

[south prairie]

The krieg boys are up to some shenanigans

[sick marsh]

The steel legion has yeah

[dusk idol]

the kantrael has a higher damage per shot but a lower firerate and ammo capacity, as well as overall reserve. The kantrael special can reliably shoot through hordes and can open up bulwarks, where as the lawbringer cannot open up bulwarks unless you gat them up the ass

[sick marsh]

WE ARE NOT KRIEG

[south prairie]

YALL ARE KRIEG NOW

[dusk idol]

the lawbringer is a decent all-rounder, the kantrael is no more specialised but has its own pros and cons

[south prairie]

I SHALL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY MISTAKE

[merry oak]

*conscripted.

[dusk idol]

you can two shot reapers with the lawbringer

[sick marsh]

Steel legion has tanks, krieg has artillery.

Steel legion wears whacky yellow. way more style.

[merry oak]

Krieg actually has access to full combined arms

[shadow wasp]

they both have tanks and artiller

[potent lichen]

I'm using Weapon Specialist and good at melee so the hordes aren't too problematic to me

[shadow wasp]

krieg want to die steel legion want to win

[sick marsh]

I know. but krieg is more artillery famous.

[sick marsh]

exactly.

[merry oak]

Only to the meme

[dusk idol]

use a lawbringer then

[shadow wasp]

as a krieg fanboi i want to die

[merry oak]

Interestingly I haven't seen a krieg pilot. Yet.

[midnight mortar]

A reminder that Krieg armored divisions were used extensively on Vraks.

[dusk idol]

it’s better ammo capacity and respectable damage per shot, along with a quite respectable range is good

[midnight mortar]

Plenty of Russes and other variants there.

[merry oak]

I've lead a bayonet charge in a full krieg team

Fun times

[slow spade]

how many survived? UwU

[dusk idol]

generally you won’t be hurting for ammo, or damage

[sick marsh]

I have a range of Krieg cosmetics, I just don't use em atm.

[merry oak]

Enough. Lol.

[south prairie]

Krieg coat is pretty nice on everything but the veteran

[shadow wasp]

i wish the vet got a krieg grenadier outfit instead of basic soldier

[merry oak]

Newer steel legion look is a Mashup between British and American cold war kit

[frank ether]

bruh

[shadow wasp]

what the vet should have gotten

[delicate moat]

not too bad tbh

[shadow wasp]

skull on gas mask is mint

[potent lichen]

Is the chainsword a decent fit for Weapons Specialist? I like the versatility a lot

[merry oak]

Some regiments wear the armor underneath

[shadow wasp]

yeah but that is a grenadier

[frank ether]

both blessings are bad

[shadow wasp]

they are like the krieg elite

[merry oak]

Grenadiers too

[hollow turtle]

A krieg grenadier? That be one heck of a cosmetic

[sick marsh]

that gas mask and the metal part is sorta a lot closer to what the Zealot got.

[south prairie]

Yeah the front pack looked kinda meh imo, and the new flattened version is straight up ass

[hearty panther]

wots ur shotgun tier list azzy

[delicate moat]

well yeah u can just swap them, 8% elite still serviceable

[sick marsh]

The zealot set is basically the Krieg grenedier without the helmet.

[shadow wasp]

i found some sick converson for the minis

[merry oak]

People were complaining on how the bag clips and its size

[frank ether]

would rather have one with maniac I think

for ragers and stuff

even though this can parry

actually I can parry why do I care for ragers

[south prairie]

Ye i am aware

[delicate moat]

that is true

[frank ether]

wait, how so? this is news to me

[hollow turtle]

There it is. Yup. Sounds like servers are chugging the players

[worn wasp]

so I'm new to veteran and I just ran into a problem with the bolter, we were getting suppressed by like 5-6 gunners and they were in cover. I couldn't really SEE them to shoot them with the single shot of the bolter. Do any of the guns get zoom optics on them?

[shadow wasp]

this website is sick they make heads and arms and legs for the krieg kill team to convert into grenadiers

[frank ether]

Allright, I'll make it like you suggested, I already have a backup claw so might aswell experiment a bit

[hollow turtle]

Unfortunately there are no attachments to alter zoom. Weapon FOV mod may help with that.

[south prairie]

No gun has zoom optics beyond holo sight on infantry lasguns

[delicate moat]

wait whats the deal with skullcrusher over savage sweep again?

[merry oak]

Speaking of krieg I finished dead men walking the other day. Probably the darkest book in my collection yet.

[worn wasp]

damn that sucks

[shadow wasp]

actually they should have given the vet a engineer skin

[frank ether]

time to take this for a spin I suppose

[delicate moat]

wait why is skullcrusher better than savage sweep in this case?

[frank ether]

I wanted a half decent claw 7 for a while now

[hollow turtle]

If they made it would I get it. 🤔

[delicate moat]

[hollow turtle]

oh, the cosmetics rolled out

[shadow wasp]

they meh

[delicate moat]

good point

[hollow turtle]

Don't mind the camo. That's For The Drip mod

[frank ether]

you make a fair point

[shadow wasp]

yo when they gonna add the scions doh

[hollow turtle]

They won't. Otherwise it makes one of veterans voicelines redundant.

[shadow wasp]

i mean we got a commissar

[hollow turtle]

They made those voicelines with the intention of never giving it.

"You know what I'd really like? Some of that tempestus scion armor."

[shadow wasp]

same

[hollow turtle]

Lol no, literally. That's one of his quotes. Ogryn says something along the lines of "Same. But won't fit. It's not fair."

[shadow wasp]

oh

bummer

[hollow turtle]

yo.. That's actually a sick skin.

[south prairie]

You have loose cannon mentioning not having a commissar and theres a commissar set tho

[shadow wasp]

true

[hollow turtle]

That's different. That's mentioning the lack of a commissar, but not addressing having the armor set itself.

[shadow wasp]

i still think it can happen

[rugged portal]

This plus that Braced Autogun skin are making me seriously consider buying some coins.

[hollow turtle]

In the logic of mentioning a missing commissar, it's like asking, There should be a legitimate not-reject tempestus scion running with us.

[shadow wasp]

i mean lore wise a reject krieg is a stretch

[hollow turtle]

Yeah. Just saw they released the duellist autogun skin too.

"Where do you acquire your goods Hallowette?"
"That's classified information."

Either she got thieves stealing from in game characters wardrobes or she's taking it off dead people.

[sharp ember]

that dripped out braced autogun skin with a saber handguard

[shadow wasp]

prob dead people

[whole moon]

Well Brunt is already salvaging the dead

[rugged portal]

I think, canonically, it's kind of both.

[whole moon]

She's either stealing from the Moebians, from Imperial stores in Tertium or via the ships constantly docking w the Mourningstar

[shadow wasp]

i will never surrender wishing scions skin for vet

[worthy pelican]

shes a warp entity

[shadow wasp]

hopefully we will get a hotshot lasgun added in aswell

[hollow turtle]

Makes you wonder if its even possible for her to steal tempestus scion gear. That's literal Inquisition troop gear.
I would think stealing Tempestus Scion (inquisition issued) gear while hosting an Inquisitor and their forces would probably not end well for Hallowette.

Not to mention, she's technically selling it for personal gain. So it's not "officially militarum issued" stuff she's handing out.

[rugged portal]

Honestly, I want an old school Stormtrooper skin. I just really liked this desgin more than the Scions or Karskins.

[south prairie]

I mean, lore wise only us (as in our specific player character) and the traitor are definitely rejects. Other players are random operatives who may or may not be rejects

[shadow wasp]

yeah but when u hit level 30 they welcome you to the inquisition anyway so its not 100% out of question

[hollow turtle]

Lol imagine if it was a penance set instead that would usually come after level 30?

Then I could maybe accept it as potentially possible

[rugged portal]

Also, a Mordian Iron Guard or Tallarn skin would be sweet.

[shadow wasp]

and at the end of the day fatshark wants our money so lore might get through out

thrown

[hollow turtle]

Where's my Tanith FatShark?

What you reading?

[rugged portal]

I would be surprised if we never got a Tanith skin.

[hollow turtle]

Oh that confirms it. Some of the stuff that Hallowette sells IS from dead soldiers

[shadow wasp]

tanith could work real well, maybe if they add a sniper

[dapper vessel]

I think I noticed VoC also proccing Skullcrusher

lmao

[south prairie]

A lot of things have side effects i noticed, gun bashes also count as heavy attack

[dapper vessel]

if it procs skullcrusher it should proc an impact blessing like Trauma and Hammerblow

so just shouting already gives a free 40% damage increase from Skullcrusher

[bold ibex]

Lost the perk and blessing lottery. RIP.

[dusk idol]

bleed also procs skullcrusher

[dapper vessel]

[delicate moat]

wait what

[dusk idol]

veteran has a bleed on melee hit talent, go figure

[dapper vessel]

mashallah

[delicate moat]

im taking serated blade

[dapper vessel]

Rampage and Skullcrusher Dclaw will be meta

🙏

[delicate moat]

[hollow turtle]

Serrated blade goes well with this.

You won't be as much of a horde clear, but you'll be able to kill crushers and maulers quite easily now

[delicate moat]

i have so many weapons to roll yet so little dockets and plasteel

[shadow wasp]

which lucius lasgun u guys recommend

im using mk3 but i seen more people use mk1

[dusk idol]

preference

[hollow turtle]

I prefer Mk 3.

Hits harder.

Can take out the biggest boys

[dusk idol]

I use the mk2, decent fire rate

though

[dapper vessel]

my personal bias recommends the Mark 3

[dusk idol]

I do hate the charge function on the hellbores

so I don’t use mine often

[delicate moat]

[shadow wasp]

just wish i can roll one with better stats lol

[empty creek]

it’s a preference thing but the mk2 is very EZ 2 use

[whole moon]

3s the one w the occasional input lag?

[shadow wasp]

been spending so much money and still havent gotten one lol

[empty creek]

what …

[slow spade]

Helbore should be Recon 6 levels of fire rate

16.6 shots per sec when?

[midnight mortar]

Thumb head lookin' ass.

[dusk idol]

having to charge and aim at the same time makes me tense my hand, hurts

[empty creek]

RN

[dusk idol]

years of BDO means my hands are weak

[empty creek]

there’s a blessing that makes the charge speed up significantly w/ each fully charged shot

[dusk idol]

ik, I have it

[empty creek]

it’s pretty crazy on the mk2, highly recommend it

[midnight mortar]

DoW II Inquisitorial Stormtrooper... my beloved...

[empty creek]

R U just a weak little guy then or smtjng

little 3’2” gnome playing darktide hurting his hand pressing m1

big pointy hat & long wispy white beard

[dusk idol]

i suffered tendon damage from playing BDO, so repetitive actions on my hand now hurt

[sharp ember]

ouchie

[empty creek]

sort-of figured it was an injury, which does suck

[dusk idol]

fuckin

Korean grinders

[empty creek]

ive seen some people play w/ their middle finger on M1 & ring on M2

[dusk idol]

BDO was not worth it fr

[empty creek]

shift ur fingers & see if U can make it work

[dusk idol]

i can use other weapons normally, it’s just smn about the hellbore that my hand doesn’t like

feels tense after a match

[empty creek]

my hand gets all evil & tensed after melee combat BC of how hard i press the buttons while charging heavies

[dusk idol]

felt that

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-jump-smile-grin-thumb-gif-5573820

[empty creek]

im glad i don’t have tendon damage like that though, that sounds pretty shit if U cant keep pressure using ur fingers w/o it hurting

[dusk idol]

legit poured over 8k hours into that game and all it gave me was tilt and pain lmao

or almost 8k hours

[empty creek]

should probably look in2 some kind of physical therapy 4 it

[bold ibex]

For a vet... the awful mobility shouldn't be too bad, should it?

[dusk idol]

it should be fiiine

[dapper vessel]

you lose a dodge but it shouldnt matter

[dusk idol]

you might lose a dodge yeah

[empty creek]

it’s fiiine lol just have a good gun

[bold ibex]

I did but... for similar stats, the most I could get is 50 something anyway

[empty creek]

wait that is the gun

have a good melee

[bold ibex]

inb4 i get blessing and perk screwed agian

[empty creek]

probably

no point in asking though if U can just try it in a match

[bold ibex]

it definitely is. Shovel isn't the BEST option but it's not a bad option. Better than Chaxe. Worse than a min-max powersword

[whole moon]

Now do it with the AI on 😉

[empty creek]

^^

actually play w/ it

[tall torrent]

?????

[quaint valve]

Is this workable with a weapon specialist build?

[dapper vessel]

a lot of stam resources to sacrifice because its a push attack spam

[quaint valve]

reload speed to maniac? keep crucian roulette? or does it not matter since weapon specialist auto crits anyway

[dusk idol]

if you change point blank to hand cannon, probably yes

[dapper vessel]

but then again the mark 6 is also a push attack spam most of the time

hmmm this a funny new blessing combo

[whole moon]

Looking at the perk/blessing combo I'd be tempted to reroll but I'm not the best source

[frank ether]

huh, really? So the +1 bleed procs it?

lmao

[dusk idol]

afaik it doesn’t actually cause them to take more damage until they’re staggered

but it builds stacks

[mystic belfry]

Not really? It's push attack into light attack for single target, lights or heavies for groups

[frank ether]

whys the mk7 heavies so fucking slow

I dont remember it being this slow

this is like legit slower than mk6 power sword heavies

with %25 attack speed

[bright ocean]

Are we allowed to talk about mods in here?

[dusk idol]

what’s up

[bright ocean]

Wondering if anyone knows what the name of the mod is for the better crosshairs on ADS.

[hearty panther]

incorrect you heavy when a single poxie walks up towards you and you wind it up and yell hiiiiIIIIIIYAH

but do u hiyah

[dapper vessel]

if you aint running out of stamina using the mark 6

dont talk to me

[midnight mortar]

The mk3's?

Oh wait I see

You were comparing to a weapon in a different family.

My mistake.

[plush dragon]

my hyper tank talent build, feat. 4% damage on tag is garbage and I miss being able to subtalent super hard in this game as a vet, added more variety to weapon choices, at least they trippled down on finese weapon swap cqc vet

only running ammo return cause shotgun and bolter are le ammo neccesitated weapons, unless u get off never using melee and run marksman i guess

[hearty panther]

the what

[plush dragon]

covering fire literally buffs ur teammates, veteran is a support character, and 90% of our support is murder

[terse idol]

4% damage on tag?

[plush dragon]

i be spammin dat hoe for tracking

fucking trash keystone

[terse idol]

Well tag isn't played for spamming

What?

[hearty panther]

Redirect Fire does let u spam it tbh

[plush dragon]

then why run it down the coherency branch

[plush dragon]

when does it reset then?

[terse idol]

You save the (8) stack tag for 32% damage

[hearty panther]

It doesn't really.

[terse idol]

Then kill it, because you can burst down that targe t

[hearty panther]

Redirect Fire keeps adding itself up with every kill

[terse idol]

and get the buffs from the other tag talents

Even on 4% it's

[plush dragon]

literally does not say it resets it

you got memed

[naive hatch]

Murder is our business, and business is GOOD. Had a pub group that was 2 vets (one was me), a psyker and a zealot. IK it's only Malice difficulty but be absolutely breezed through the carnival. The extra damage on a tagged target really adds up fast.

[terse idol]

20%

[hearty panther]

Then you can tag something with Redirect + Stacks for a juicy maximum of 44%

[plush dragon]

15*1.5

[terse idol]

It's not 4% it's 20% on a full stack of 5 focus target

[plush dragon]

very lame

[terse idol]

For 1 target

[plush dragon]

i love megadeth

[terse idol]

So 20% if you don't take the 8 stack increase

wdym?

[hearty panther]

w/e math is hard im sleepy

[plush dragon]

so you hit m3 and you tag shit dps

[hearty panther]

8 x 4 + 8 x 1.5

[plush dragon]

(my tags m3)

[terse idol]

Focus target is actually probably one of the best talents this patch....

[plush dragon]

12+12

garbo

[terse idol]

Because of the other talents you upgrade it to

[plush dragon]

peak performance is a best blessing

lame

[terse idol]

Well

You tag

[plush dragon]

slow gameplay

[terse idol]

To kill and get the benefits from the tag

[plush dragon]

i tag creeps to manage zoning expectations

[terse idol]

???

Sorry

This just ain't my view on it

[plush dragon]

cause u lame

[delicate moat]

[plush dragon]

tagging creep does 4%

cause you should be killing

and people have better things to do than shoot the gold freak

for minimal damage

1 stack of dum dum when peak murder happen

[terse idol]

Bruuuhh

No it doesn't

[hearty panther]

i just wanna know if you have a medical issue

[naive hatch]

Someone doesn't math

[terse idol]

Because it only does 4%

[plush dragon]

lol

[terse idol]

If you have 1 focus stack

[plush dragon]

it will when i use it

[terse idol]

You have 5 you can build to over time

Bruh

Then you're just spam pinging

It's useless info

[plush dragon]

nah

[dusk idol]

things are getting heated in the veteran chat

[terse idol]

Like

I ain't arguging

Just spam enough to have 4%

[sterile garnet]

Chem-Boy, if you are in here I love you and i am here for you

[terse idol]

I'll keep my 32% extra damage on Crushers

[cyan anchor]

should i put DMG on maniacs or DMG on unyielding on my powersword

[terse idol]

You can keep 4%

[naive hatch]

Yo, okay...so after having USED the ability.

You WILL get max stacks before your first encounter. tag target, kill target, enjoy a buff. tag new target, kill new target, refresh said buff.

EZ

[plush dragon]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[terse idol]

Why you memeing bro

Like

I just

[plush dragon]

bro i miss old limbsplitter

[terse idol]

I feel you never actually know how to use it

[plush dragon]

because ur silly

[terse idol]

?

My man

All you've been saying is

Bad because my play style only lets it be 4%

[frank ether]

claw 7

I may have found a bug or something

need to do testing

[terse idol]

So enough

[plush dragon]

guys did they fix the mk 9 HH yet?

[terse idol]

My god

[plush dragon]

does it still drop 50% dps

[frank ether]

cause played a game where my heavies are slower than fkin power sword 6 heavies

[delicate moat]

i cant use claw 7 without the 10% melee speed

[frank ether]

I had %25 lmao

[plush dragon]

bro

[frank ether]

was still slow as heck

either some bugged cursed interaction

[delicate moat]

it's such life changing

[frank ether]

or I'm tripping

I'd rather it just be me tripping

[plush dragon]

its nice but devils claw has a light sweep which is bare minimum to perfect manage trash, try slapping ur crosshair horizontally a bit to maximize slaps

[delicate moat]

bruh, claw 7 u can do heavy light heavy light* (i forgor which way around it was)

[plush dragon]

claw 7 can manage trash, safe guard crusher mauler, and one shot heavy medium units

also btw guys special combat axe swing staggers ragers

[terse idol]

Iirc light heavy light for constant horizontals

[crisp bronze]

I enjoy Melee-Revolver vet a lot. Problem is I find there are so many gunners and shooters and usually no one on the team to handle them. Killing them is an underappreciated job (even by me). So I want to make a melee build with executioners stance, crazy I know. What would be the best weapon for this? I was considering the vraks headhunter. Any other possibilities?

[dusk idol]

not for 7

[terse idol]

Oh

[dusk idol]

heavy light heavy light

[terse idol]

My braiin

[plush dragon]

depends on stage in swing cycle

[delicate moat]

i like claw 7 more than psword

[plush dragon]

i hate the ones that swing one way, like mk2 combat axe

[terse idol]

Parry on Dclaw my beloved

[plush dragon]

boss killer

[delicate moat]

fk them ragers and bosses

[plush dragon]

unironically

[fast scaffold]

Hellbore mk3, bayonet kills still extend exec stance

[delicate moat]

eat my parry

[plush dragon]

wow so the nerf to people running around melee'ing then one tapping for marksman bonuses was nerfed for a good reason

[delicate moat]

fk maulers too, get parried too

[plush dragon]

i miss old maulers

[fast scaffold]

More memey than anything but it's not God awful

[plush dragon]

i liked letting them hit me hard a couple times

they made their ai attackamation lame like a crushers too

instead of him being that guy

[fast scaffold]

(I have not played traitor curse yet also)

[plush dragon]

(traitor curse is an unoptomized map)

[fast scaffold]

Hey from what I hear it's a downgrade to vet also

[plush dragon]

vet is just smol ogryn

[fast scaffold]

Though Im sure it's a side grade

[delicate moat]

yeah it's more like a sidegrade

[crisp bronze]

Hellbore? Never used it. I heard the mk 2 was the fastest which might be better for my purposes cause I can use a Power Sword for the really big enemies and the hellbore is mostly gonna be for gunners/shooters/specials. I don't need the damage of mk 3. I think. Like I said, never used it.

[fast scaffold]

From what I hear we still have broken shit, it's just changed.

[delicate moat]

btw can u parry a crusher overhead?

[fast scaffold]

Mk3 is the highest damaging bayonet, any of them could work

[crisp bronze]

Yes

[delicate moat]

[atomic zephyr]

think columnus is my favorite iag now

press f
screen lights up with shooters
rip through them all in a single sweep
feelsgoodman

[fast scaffold]

Pre curse it was probably the strongest iag

Good chance it still is

[atomic zephyr]

it feels stronger than the agrippina

which is a shame because i definitely prefer the feel of that

but the effectiveness is undeniable

[fast scaffold]

Agripina needs more of a purpose

[atomic zephyr]

agreed
maybe if it had better bodyshot damage compared to the others?

in exchange for less finesse

no that doesnt sound good

eh

[crisp bronze]

I'll try them out! Like I said, I'm looking for a Ranged weapon to instant swap to with exe stance and quickly wipe out the huge amounts of gunners and shooters right now. This isn't gonna be my main weapon.

[atomic zephyr]

this is why i dont balance darktide

Mk3 hits like a truck but its not quick

if you want a lucius you might be better off with a mk2

[fast scaffold]

That's something that needs to be considered for a lot of weapons I feel like, the ILG need that too, like the mg4 should be a burst fire weapon imo

[fast scaffold]

Mk2 is my favorite of the helbores

[atomic zephyr]

same

i have an absolute god roll lucius 2 with t4 onslaught and no respite

decapitator or headtaker?

[fast scaffold]

Any weapon that requires a macro for a good portion of the community needs a rework

[atomic zephyr]

ive been using my old brumoment/headtaker rashad to great effect

not as blatantly op as it used to be but

[fast scaffold]

I won't touch combat axes for atleast another 3-400 hours of gameplay

[hearty panther]

oh no its handcannon all over again

[drifting oak]

is this just me

[fast scaffold]

Too much time spent on patch 12 using combat axes

[atomic zephyr]

y no? theyre not as crazy tier busted as they used to be so theres no worry about meta there

ohh ok

[junior needle]

It's telling you to play a higher difficulty

[atomic zephyr]

i didnt really use em that much pre patch because of how op they were lol

[drifting oak]

that's just the psykanium-from-character-select mod'sdefault, I haven't changed it

[junior needle]

I should nab that one too

[fast scaffold]

I ran them so I could use less broken ranged weapons, I never did bolter/shredder or braced auto on vet

[drifting oak]

oh, never mind, it worked after a couple of failures

brauto ain't broken at all

shredder neither

[hearty panther]

show an exampleeee

[drifting oak]

i don't consider dying to every long-ranged spawn to make a weapon "broken"

bolter was pretty nutso though

[fast scaffold]

Not anymore*

[drifting oak]

like if you wanted to argue that brauto or shredder were broken, then flamer is a thousand times more broken, but it has nearly the exact same downsides

[atomic zephyr]

agri brauto my beloved

its so good

[drifting oak]

if you can't point at a sniper or bomber in the distance and tell it to die, your team is gonna wipe

[atomic zephyr]

brauto with shout fucks so good

[formal relic]

brauto works just fine at 90% of the engagement ranges the game throws at you

[atomic zephyr]

^^^^

[fast scaffold]

Flamer was broken for awhile too

[crisp bronze]

Can the Vraks Headhunter 1 shot both types of gunners during Exe Stance? I'm trying to make a melee vet that can press one button and quickly take out 20 shooters and 5 gunners.

[atomic zephyr]

you can hit long range targets fairly regularly

headhunter 1?

you mean 7?

[drifting oak]

and you wipe the other 10% of the time, and when those 10% of the times are consistent on a per-mission basis, might as well be 100% whenever that mission comes up

[fast scaffold]

Skill issue if you couldn't over perform at a healthy level with those weapons + pinning fire

[drifting oak]

every time I get a desert map and have an autopistol/brauto I just want to alt-f4

it's so miserable because I already can see the future

[atomic zephyr]

if you mean vraks 7 then yes

[hollow hinge]

What are your thoughts on the power sword for veteran

[astral ingot]

make it a zealot weapon

[atomic zephyr]

meh
dont feel like learning how to use it

would rather just hit something and have it die

[formal relic]

I got a god roll power sword like the first week the game released and it's been the only melee weapon my veteran has ever used

[hollow hinge]

I used it and thought it was fun

but i prefer the combat blade

[drifting oak]

power6 rocks, power3 has problems, you MUST have powercycler4 talent or else the weapon is actually unusable

[atomic zephyr]

i feel like psword depends too much on 1) power cycler and 2) weird techiques

[formal relic]

Not really weird techniques. You just dodge back every time you need to re-power it

[hollow hinge]

i got power cycler 4

[drifting oak]

yeah if you don't have power cycler you spend so much time charging that the weapon is less effective than a non-powersword weapon, period

[hollow hinge]

on me

[formal relic]

but yeah you need power cycler 4 for sure

[atomic zephyr]

yeah i dont have ps4

maybe thats why

only 3

[drifting oak]

there's no need for weird techniques beyond charging it; the weapon is otherwise carried by the slaughterer talent, which I should say is still a messed up talent on every weapon that can get it

[hollow hinge]

although

With the Combat Blade on my stealth melee build, i feel unstoppable

[crisp bronze]

It will absolutely destroy everything in front of you but it is very punishing to make mistakes with it. Getting hit deactivates your charge and can throw off your whole rythm. I have a near perfect one and still get bodied because skill issue.

[bold ibex]

first two rolls, nae bad. Even if I get awful perks and blessings in the last two slots it'll be salvageable.

[atomic zephyr]

what's your stealth melee build? been thinking about replacing my shout melee build

[fast scaffold]

From what I hear it's BM/power cycler now, the breakpoints are way better for it

[drifting oak]

I'm not a fan of BM, I tried it, it feels silly against poxwalkers but you already kill them so fast, killing them faster isn't a huge improvement

[mystic belfry]

I love when you're holding on of two sides of an incoming horde, and suddenly get swarmed from behind, and look behind you to see your teammates I just kinda dumbly staring at you? 🤔

[drifting oak]

the real thing you want help with is things like mauler + crusher packs or rager packs

And for that it's very important to have slaughterer stacked to 5

[mystic belfry]

Some kind of high level strategy I'm not aware of

[fast scaffold]

I think the big breakpoint I see people cite is killing 4 bruisers in one swing vs 2 from slaughterer

[dusk idol]

flamer was ridiculously good for different reasons

[drifting oak]

yeah, but even in that case, the other bruisers are still controlled just fine

[fast scaffold]

Yeah I didn't make the comparison

[drifting oak]

the weapon still cleaves through them all and staggers the others, so you can keep going

[dusk idol]

melting crusher packs like it had the power of nine suns

[hollow hinge]

Guns can matter, depending on how you want to play with the build, however with the way I play, I use combat blade for my melee with constant dodges and using stealth constantly and for two reasons, getting behind enemy lines with gunners, snipers, reapers and then using it to clutch like resing everybody and using the frag grenade. for guns I either use plasma rifle or autoguns.

[mystic belfry]

Just put knife on your shout melee build ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow hinge]

with melee stealth just act like you're a super speed rat

[drifting oak]

And you'll still wipe a no-elites side of horde so fast you're limited not by killing power but by the enemy physically running into position for you to hit them

[crisp bronze]

It helps against pox walkers but more importantly also helps you with crushers and maulers and any other elites. And you don't even need to activate it like slaughterer for example. Power Cycler 4 and Brutal Momentum 4 is best imo.

[atomic zephyr]

i might pair stealth melee with a raking fire brauto

[hollow hinge]

do it

[drifting oak]

isn't headshooting mauler heads a DPS loss, and if you find me the man who can make use of BM swings while headshooting crushers in a typical "crusher swarm" situation I want to see a clip of it

Like when you are dancing around the crusher swarm, you physically don't get to go for heads much on account of hitting staggered ones that are flopping around from teammates, or because you're dodging other crushers and have no choice but to hit their big stupid bodies or limbs

[fast scaffold]

BM does more than just increase cleave now, so if you block strike with PS it's very strong and aimable

[drifting oak]

isn't it like 15% headshot damage

which is... meh

I'd rather have slaughterer stacks from trash

[fast scaffold]

It's 2 hits from what I hear

[drifting oak]

and then continue to roll the stacks while working through the elites

[hollow turtle]

Yup.. Would really like a lobby join filter where I only join those missions that haven't started yet...

[hollow hinge]

a good shovel is good for melee too

[hearty panther]

amazing

i wanna say the recons

[hollow turtle]

Wow. 3 for 3 quickplay made me hop into lobbies that have already lost.

[hollow hinge]

yeah

same

i was in a auric damnation and the team was dumber than recruits

[hollow turtle]

This is how I know there are a bunch of players hopping in to try the update for the first time. They're getting acquainted with the new tree.

[hollow hinge]

yeah

also feels like they dont know how to play either

[flint garden]

i love randoms

[hollow hinge]

this dude was walking around like "huh, whats this thing do?"

[flint garden]

[dusk idol]

try a shotgun

[hollow hinge]

walked right up to a daemonhost

[half wigeon]

is that agripna autogun 1 ?

[crisp bronze]

Brutal Momentum helps the Power Sword with everything it already does well. It enhances it's horde clear letting you kill more trash per swing and also increases the damage enough to do some pretty nice things.
Your point is valid though. Power Sword in the Psykhanium and Power Sword in a mission are very different weapons and you won't hit those juicy breakpoints everytime. But Brutal Momentum is just consistant. Which is the Power Swords specialty imo. Just pure lethal consistancy.

[kindred vapor]

Anyone got a good melee vet build?

[hearty panther]

713 on a weakspot crit tho

Firing at 17rps

That's monstrous for any other target lol

[hollow hinge]

i really enjoy the Agripinaa Mk VIII Braced Autogun

[kindred vapor]

I like my recon lasgun

[dusk idol]

😉

[hollow hinge]

shotguns are lovely, but hard for range and I need range.

they're fun

[bold ibex]

Thoughts on infernus for heavy lapsistol?

[kindred vapor]

Range is kinda a veteran's shtick

[kindred vapor]

I think its good

[hollow hinge]

well, I am a veteran :p

a melee veteran

[terse idol]

Shotgun has... a place....

I mean weapon spec like

[bold ibex]

The one... agrippa something is super solid at long range. It plays like a faster boltgun

[terse idol]

Pretty spicy

Shotguns could work pretty well still

Kinda contested by how good the revolver is

[bold ibex]

was thinking of swapping +14% toughness on crit hill for it since that might help against heavies

[terse idol]

Least that's how I see it

[dusk idol]

shotguns as they are aren’t the best

but they’re viable, and fun

that’s what i like

[terse idol]

Yeah

[bold ibex]

Yeah. The shotgun blessings got a biiiiit too nerfed.

[terse idol]

I don't think anything isn't viable
cough recon
But give it a shot

[kindred vapor]

Please devs just give all the random upgrade nodes for keystones and combat abilites for vet to base ability

[bold ibex]

Even with their base damage increase, revolver is kinda better

[junior needle]

It's aight, better at using it than others (lucius, infantry las) but even on pre-crit string nerf recons it was mediocre value wise. It's mostly boss damage and onslaught stacking.

[hollow hinge]

vet base ability is boring

[terse idol]

What exec?

[hollow hinge]

laspistol is so much fun

[bold ibex]

i don't really see another solid damage increasing though. Maybe the one that gives a bonus while shooting in the back? Then agian, I'm not sure how much the toughness regen is doing for me. I sometimes notice it but it's kinda iffy

[terse idol]

I mean I'm gonna complain and say that shout shouldn't need a ability tax

It should come with 50+

Like come on

Its like if Zealot Chorus didn't give toughness and only staggered but you had to spend a talent to let you give 200+ toughness to your team

[junior needle]

Ghost is good for deadshot/dnd shenanigans and the laspistol naturally wants to be critting/headshotting as much as possible. There's also dumdum, which is bugged and giving damage at much longer than close range.

[dusk idol]

incredible

[terse idol]

I'm losing it

[midnight mortar]

Ah but you forgot about... the veteran tax.

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[bold ibex]

already have dumdum 4. Deadshot... ehh. I'm taking weakpoint damage because I like stamina

[terse idol]

Who would have thought that the imperium of man has bad VA insurance

[kindred vapor]

Whats a good keystone for revolver builds?

[hearty panther]

Lmfao

Holy shit

[kindred vapor]

The focus one would be good if it didnt penalize you for moving in the movement based game

[terse idol]

I saw weapon spec is doing very well

[hearty panther]

Are you uh

Gonna report this bug

[junior needle]

Deadshot is extremely good when paired with ghost and dnd (also shock trooper), also the fact that the laspistol deal like 1/3 damage if not critting or headshotting. Getting shot at consistently refills your stamina and the only requirement is to click heads.

[torn gorge]

laspistol is cracked

but thats nothing new really

[dusk idol]

this is new

[hollow hinge]

i like the weapon switch

[terse idol]

I wouldn't go revolver with exec even before

[dusk idol]

decapitator works on ranged weapons

[spice hawk]

Do people use deadshot on columnus v iag?

[delicate harbor]

its "patch 13 "new""

[terse idol]

Its too clunky

[hollow hinge]

I use the revolver sometimes, works pretty well in every situation