veteran-class

[mystic belfry]

Ranger vet has plenty of ammo. Some elf weapons, all sienna weapons

[low oar]

career skill in general direction with waystalker

[fast scaffold]

It shouldn't be a problem, but we can't change voices because of how everything is laid out, I would not be surprised if there's some reason for why it wouldn't be possible without changing a bunch of stuff, not saying it's impossible but it's probably not an easy fix

[mystic belfry]

And you can get a lot of ammo from crits or headshots

[terse idol]

Frankly, folks that don't see their team who are low on ammo and pick up all the ammo is another issue lmao, but that's teamwork

[tiny summit]

I think it's good that you can't easily walk off a mixed horde with ragers w/o chip

[kind scarab]

That's one of the exceptions

[untold mulch]

Outcast Engineer

[kind scarab]

All of that required you to be good at the game, so you can effectively manage your ammo between finding pouches

[south spindle]

I dont really know how to feel about that, on one hand, yes the current system does make melee combat vs a lot of targets very difficult, but at the same time, if it wasnt, then that aspect of the game would be a cakewalk. The issue at the moment is that the volume of melee elites makes it too hard to combat in melee without a very high stagger weapon, which imapcts the Veteran the most because his melee weapons are mostly not suited to that style of gameplay with the only exception being PSword. Which is its own balancing discussion because as it stands now, unless you're a masochist, there is no reason not to run PSword.

[kind scarab]

That needed you to be good at mananging your heat, and building up charges between fights (or in fights) without burning yourself or getting caught needing to reload in a fight

[low oar]

Bounty hunter, waystalker, ranger vet

[terse idol]

I mean controversially I think Darktide and sometimes having no ammo is alright, it creates some tension

[frank ether]

yeah lets make every single veteran talent disable itself if you don't hit a headshot in 3 seconds that sounds like a great idea

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I was joking it has it own maangement game

[mystic belfry]

Yes

[tiny summit]

They even have voicelines to nag them into being better

[kind scarab]

Waystalker is the only one that didn't need skill, the rest literally require you to be good at aiming, timing and dodging to make the most use out of

[waxen lark]

Scavenger making ranged elites drop ammo pouches is the way to go I think, not unlike Ranger Vet Bardin's passive except on the enemy corpses

[terse idol]

Survivalist being built in is good, but I'd rather yeah FS look at ammo drops

[mystic belfry]

And ammo pools

[frank ether]

no it just results on people playing melee builds and psykers

you have a no ammo pickups modifier

[terse idol]

Disagree

[untold mulch]

Coping foe Hellgun into an Outcast Engineer skill so I dont have to worry about ammo

[kind scarab]

Bardins ammo pouches should have been the basis for survivalist tbh. Not this stupid "Oh ammo has magically entered everyones guns"

[frank ether]

its just full of melee builds and psykers

there is no tension

[low oar]

Bounty hunter is just running survivalist for ammo. If you can't hit your shots even body shots, you shouldn't even be on BH.
Ranger vet literally drops ammo on your feet. You don't even need to make the kill

[frank ether]

thats just your experience as a ranged vet

cause your entire tree relies on ammo to function

[zenith cedar]

Just showing off my prized arms

[terse idol]

Well having no ammo as a ranged vet sucks, but I also just play hybrid builds

[frank ether]

you're not playing a survival sandbox game

[slow spade]

We need MORE ammo

[frank ether]

you're playing a horde shooter

[slow spade]

Fatshark pls remove ammo

[terse idol]

Yes

[slow spade]

Infinite ammo for everyone

[terse idol]

With a mix of shooting and melee

[kind scarab]

Fatshark, please let me smite these heretics

[topaz lance]

Honestly, I don't get the ammo economy talk. It's fine as is imo.

[low oar]

This isn't strictly a horde shooter. That's more l4d2

[slow spade]

#psyker-class

[slow spade]

Na we need more

[slow garden]

On Aurics the Vet literally needs ammo. There's only like... Two good, competitive weapons for aurics on Veteran.

[slow spade]

I sometimes need to drop an ammo box for my plasma

[terse idol]

I should be expected to actually use my gun for most of the mission but I should be punished for using my ammo on dumb things

[kind scarab]

Why the hell doesn't Zealot have the ability to shoot a massive "fuck you" blessed bullet type shit at an enemy for massive damage + guaranteed stagger?

[zenith cedar]

Ya'll need to play Zealot with Flamer and Eviscirator

[low oar]

Let's just give infinite bolter rounds so vet players can just mag dump into everything and zealot and ogryn get to just not play the game

[terse idol]

You can get away with not using meta weapons let's be real

[untold mulch]

THIS

[kind scarab]

Ew flamer and Eviscirator

[slow spade]

Na Zealot has bolter too

[slow garden]

Other weapons need buffs imo

[slow spade]

Infinite ammo for zealot too

[slow garden]

You can use them but they suck in so many situations

Buff the underused weaps

[terse idol]

I mean, lots of weapons are good

Dclaw

Shovel is seeing use

[umbral scaffold]

with the incredible spawn rates auric has, having vt2 ammo system would be hilarious

[terse idol]

Knife sometimes

[slow garden]

Oh pardon, I'm talking ranged weaps

Most melee weaps are fine

[terse idol]

You dont need a ps6 to be viable on auric damnation

[low oar]

I can't even think of a weapon that isn't usable in this game except the mg1a

[terse idol]

Hmm

[south spindle]

You dont need it no, but the fact of the matter is it does everything all the other melee weapons do, just far better

[slow spade]

Next patch

Just for you c:

[low oar]

Next week

[terse idol]

I mean everything besides recon Las gun is viable

At least

That's the consensus I get

[south spindle]

The MK1a is literally the best lasgun since it was buffed

[untold mulch]

Got nerfed?

[slow spade]

Flat -50% anmo and ammo gain

[untold mulch]

Wasnt it good?

[slow spade]

No other changes

[slow garden]

Imo only good weapons for Aurics are plasgun and boltor on veteran

[terse idol]

Naw bro

[south spindle]

No, it got buffed, an is now better than the MKXII

[umbral scaffold]

revolver is amazing

[kind scarab]

Bet

[slow spade]

Revolver :c

[terse idol]

Revolver is actually goated

Yeah

[slow garden]

That tiny mag?

[terse idol]

That damage?????

[frank ether]

it one shots everything

[slow spade]

Just don't miss lmao

[slow garden]

Takes 2 years to reload, and does less damage than plasgun

[untold mulch]

Yeah I was aware of that but not the first time I heard someone this

[terse idol]

Hand canon, Surgical

I'd meta

[untold mulch]

Confused me

[frank ether]

better than helbore

[slow garden]

Less piercing

[slow spade]

Piercing rounds

[low oar]

Not at all. I definitely don't run plasma on maelstrom a lot because it's really not ammo efficient but it kills fast as hell

[untold mulch]

Revolver with weapon specialist

[frank ether]

dont have to build for it either

[kind scarab]

read it and weep

[terse idol]

Okay now I know you don't use the revolver

[untold mulch]

Reload is nonexistant

[umbral scaffold]

i have a shitty hand cannon-surgical revolver, it deletes everything at any range

[frank ether]

you build for melee and still do stupid dumb amounts of damage on revolvo

[slow spade]

Revolver does need a buff though

[slow garden]

I liked it at first then tried the plasgun and never went back

[kind scarab]

This is Soldier 69's scoreboard, from a build he was fucking around with. Even the Mg1a is good if you know what you doing

[slow spade]

No reason why

[frank ether]

It got enough buffs

[kind scarab]

No

Bad

[low oar]

Revolver feels fine

[slow spade]

It just does

[untold mulch]

[kind scarab]

Sheo just wants to oneshot bosses

[slow garden]

I'm totally good with revolver getting a reload speed buff

[umbral scaffold]

i mean shotguns are good too but revolver is just pure love

[kind scarab]

Gonna need to put them on a leash so they don't give revolver more buffs at FS headquarters

[untold mulch]

Revolver to one shot all chaos gods and revive the Emperor for one shot

[low oar]

Revolver buff:
Can now friendly fire for commissar cosplay

[slow spade]

Revolver should be able to instant kill Mortarian and Ku'gath

[kind scarab]

I'd 100% put that in, to deal with annoying Ogryns.

[slow spade]

Weakspot hit required for balance 👍

[kind scarab]

But then i'd get yelled at

[fast scaffold]

Depleted uranium rounds replacing the bash on revolver

[slow spade]

Shoot them again then

[low oar]

Let's add melee friendly fire

[slow spade]

The shouting gets quieter with more rounds

[low oar]

I need to relive Chivalry 2

[terse idol]

It doesnt need it

[kind scarab]

I was talking about getting yelled at for adding it, not shooting them

I don't care about the person I'm shooting at

[slow spade]

Ah

[kind scarab]

That's why I shot them

[terse idol]

Its top performing for damage

And revolver and weapon spec slaaps

Take the reload from reserve ammo

[slow spade]

Real Vet mains don't need a reason to mag dump allies

[untold mulch]

Patchnotes

Revolver ammo now is loaded with a meltabomb

[terse idol]

And never need to reload

[slow spade]

It is simply in their nature

[umbral scaffold]

have the veteran throw revolver rounds with his hands, like in hot shots

[kind scarab]

Damn, despite having all classes maxed out

I'm just a vet main at heart

😔

[untold mulch]

Oh god I remmeber that scene

Bloodiest movie ever

[slow garden]

Well, if yall into it yall into it

[slow spade]

I leveled a Zealot to max solely to learn why they were so shit

[terse idol]

Oh come on man

[slow spade]

Got to have hatred to be a true vet

[slow garden]

Revolver is just a worse plasgun imo, if I roll a good one I'll try it tho, bet

[terse idol]

You cant say 2 ranged weapons are viable on auric damnation for vet when the revolver is right there

[kind scarab]

I maxed out all the classes, so I could break them

[terse idol]

Bruh

[slow spade]

Revolver and revolver 2

[kind scarab]

Vet is my favourite, cause I like to hurt myself

And it gives me more of an excuse to be in vet chat.

[low oar]

Way better ammo efficiency on the revolver
You get 1/3 to 2/3 of a shot per plasma kill

[slow spade]

Vet is my favorite because I like being strong

[terse idol]

Vet is my favourite because larping a guardsmen

[untold mulch]

Vet is my favorite, because I like larping as Guardsman

[umbral scaffold]

vet is my favorite cause i like when the ogryn calls me SAH

[untold mulch]

MY MAN

[kind scarab]

Revolver 2 is literally just my shotgun rn

[slow spade]

Sorry I'm buffed to hell and back get deleted nerd 💅💅💅

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-arnold-gif-12406885

[untold mulch]

🤝

[low oar]

Now kith

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174839967139246130/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.17_-_00.32.39.09.mp4

Revolver 2.0 gameplay

[slow spade]

Tbh I never felt "weak" as Vet except during launch

Once the melee bleedthrough was gone

I never felt weak as Vet

[terse idol]

Lol I didn't feel vet was weak on launch because I built 300 toughness

[kind scarab]

Wrong video, that was me testing the max range I could use the shotgun at

[terse idol]

😌

[slow spade]

Melee bleedthrough made toughness shit

Was sad times

[untold mulch]

200 toughness doubling damage

[slow spade]

Only lasted like 2 weeks though

[terse idol]

Oh right now I remeber

[slow spade]

Now Vet is basically "buffs out the ass for everyone"

[fleet ferry]

dont forget the grenades

[slow spade]

And its nice being the linchpin

[slow spade]

Indeed

[twilit sky]

God roll

[slow spade]

Kraks for days

[tall canopy]

A very heavy axe

[slow spade]

You just instantly lose motor functions upon equipping

[twilit sky]

Lol

[delicate moat]

become a statue

[twilit sky]

Never seen a roll like that before

I need to use it

[tall canopy]

Realistically you'll want mobility above 51

[kind scarab]

So heavy you can't dodge with it

[untold mulch]

Or is heavy af

[tall canopy]

Otherwise you can't dodge for toffee

[old sparrow]

my brother in christ did you seriously take a picture of your monitor?

[tall canopy]

2023 gaming

[untold mulch]

In who?

[twilit sky]

Lol yes, yes I did

[old sparrow]

you hurt me lol

[quasi flare]

just coming back are shotguns good now?

[untold mulch]

They are better, but I heard people saying they still shit?

Or at least not good

[quasi flare]

This seems like a decent roll in shop was thinking of trying em out

[untold mulch]

In t4 my friend can use them

[tall torrent]

Bricked

[frank ether]

zealot but you can look like guardsman

my current flavor of vet

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately

[quasi flare]

@tall torrent worth buying?

[formal relic]

Does anyone know how multiple vet tags interact? Do they stack? Last overrides oldest? Oldest persists until it ends? Only overwrites if more stacks?

[untold mulch]

I either main Vet or I dont play

[gritty dock]

No

[frank ether]

I guess middle tree has some unique things going for it though, unique ignoring keystone is ported from VT2

[tall torrent]

No because you have 2 meh perks and 1 bad blessing

[untold mulch]

FS really copy pasting code

[quasi flare]

ahh figured crit would be good

[frank ether]

I'm playing helbore on middle tree now btw

[quasi flare]

been a long time

[frank ether]

thats where I'm at with vet

[valid apex]

Are you a plasma boi yet?

[untold mulch]

Give me Las, or give me death 🗿

[tall torrent]

Crit is not the best thing because it’s a percentage increase of a percentage increase

And the dmg difference is not that high

[finite imp]

whats the dump stat on knives?

[valid apex]

I guess we need you in the squad….lol

[untold mulch]

Wait what

[untold mulch]

[mystic belfry]

Mobility anymore than like 50 ish is minimal

[untold mulch]

Las is the gift of the emperor to the guard

[mystic belfry]

You want all three damage stats for a good knife sadly

[finite imp]

i got a 380 Atrox axe are they any good

its a MK4

[untold mulch]

Unless the distribution is shit, for a 380 save that shit

[finite imp]

its even across the boards

what blessings should I get

[terse idol]

Hmm

That's not good

You want a dump stat

[willow badger]

I like the lasgun aesthetic

But iag is goat

[terse idol]

[willow badger]

Sorry to say

[untold mulch]

Lasguns are peak

[terse idol]

Well upgrade that baby and see if it'll be salvageable

[willow badger]

I like my lil snotrocket

[willow badger]

Columnus

[terse idol]

I know a friend who had to scrap a 380 because bad mods

[finite imp]

this seems ok

[willow badger]

Go brrt and heretic no longer there

[untold mulch]

Hadron is a menace

A devil

[finite imp]

its either this or i make a new knife

[topaz lance]

behold, the chainsword I rolled 11 months ago, still using it after some changes (crafting wasn't even fully in the game yet back then):
https://i.imgur.com/rYKEEfk.png

[finite imp]

Oooh not bad

[mystic belfry]

This is fine

[mystic belfry]

Great knife

[finite imp]

Hell ye

okay hadron fuck me over

[mystic belfry]

Ye

[finite imp]

Where do we go from here

[untold mulch]

She could atleast invite us to dinner before

[untold mulch]

Infiltrate+ nuke crusher horde?

[tall torrent]

Harvest backstab IV and move on

[woeful steeple]

What's a balanced (horde/armor) melee for vet?

Can't get used to PS dodges 😔

[tall torrent]

Backstab infil vet just is not as good as backstab zealot

[finite imp]

nah i need a new knife my current one is trash so no matter what i do with this one it's an upgrade

[mystic belfry]

Unyielding for flak or manic

[untold mulch]

Csword never goes wrong

That or Dclaw

[mystic belfry]

Swap riposte for something

[finite imp]

i have lacerate

😄

[tall torrent]

Well u don’t want to mod backstab off but u also can’t take advantage of it much

So just harvest lol

[outer laurel]

How's power sword with slaughterer for a volley fire veteran?

[finite imp]

if you couldn't tell I'm not going to delete the knife. It's a hard upgrade from my current

[mystic belfry]

You can definitely use backstab wdym

[finite imp]

So Ill say it again lol

Im not deleting knife

[tall torrent]

Just not very efficiently

[woeful steeple]

ty

[mystic belfry]

Yea you can

[untold mulch]

Backstab and Infiltrate I see it

[tall torrent]

Probably swap riposte for mercy killer and run the melee bleed talent

[finite imp]

It's almost like we have different playstyles lol

[tall torrent]

Make do

[untold mulch]

Impossible

[tall torrent]

Backstab IV is pretty strong for zealot but not for vet

[finite imp]

we all must be john darktide

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

He is the peak vet for a reason

[finite imp]

couldnt find the bleed

there it is

Look yall im just trying to play a game. I don't need a bunch of math wizards to tell me my shit rolls are bricked. My skill makes up for shit weapons

I get it

but i just wanna know what's fun

[tall torrent]

You want uncanny strike + mercy killer, with the melee bleed talent

Lacerate + mercy killer is also ok if you can’t reach the melee bleed talent

[lavish agate]

Unyielding to flak and riposte to mercy killer if you take the bleed talent. It'll be fine.

[finite imp]

i reached it

[tall torrent]

You just won’t be able to use the other blessing much, meaning you’re somewhat stuck on 1 blessing

[finite imp]

This is what I did

I liked your idea for the bleeds

[midnight patrol]

Hm, I suspect the Vraks VII has the highest DPS and effective kills in a magazine compared to the other headhunters, Yes?

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer is not the strongest imo, would much prefer lacerate if you’re looking for bleed stacks to horde clear

[finite imp]

dont have lacerate

[tall torrent]

MkIII has better mathematical dps

[finite imp]

gotta farm more knives for it

[shell widget]

Agreed. For fun value, have you given Revolver + Shovel/Insert-Horde-Control-Melee?

[lavish agate]

if ur in the right tree you'll crit a lot

[midnight patrol]

Doesn't it burn through ammo almost like an infantry autogun?

[tall torrent]

If you’re killing most things in 2 bursts (6 shots) and gain 4 ammo for every kill, the economy is not that bad

[edgy dew]

What's the best vet melee weapon/blessing setup if I want it for just braindead horde left click spam?

[midnight patrol]

Ahhh, you're measuring against spevialists

[tall torrent]

MkIII can also 2 burst reaper to the head

[candid bridge]

Unfortunately my funny discord friend, this is the wrong chat for fun (aka any ammo economy and survivalist convo lol)

[midnight patrol]

I was considering against normal shooters and specialists in a room kinda scenarios

[candid bridge]

Min max only here

[finite imp]

God forbid I can support my own ammo supply and support the team. No we only do Solo Auric Maelstrom in here and throw out any notion of social economy or alternative playstyles.

[midnight patrol]

Also I think Deadshot is used up for every round in a burst right?

[tall torrent]

But the thing with headhunter autoguns is that you’re stuck into 2 very specific blessings and the gun is somewhat bricked if you:

• get low stability row
• don’t have maniac perk
• don’t have headhunter blessing (surgical for mkVII)
• don’t have deadly accurate blessing

[untold mulch]

You dont run peak performance?

Blocked

[finite imp]

im playing a knife ffs if I wanted meta I'd just be a baby PS6 user

i like to be hard af

ROCK HARD

[candid bridge]

Stay hard brother

[finite imp]

ROCK AND STONE

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-hard-meme-goggins-gif-10535311323888190285

[tall torrent]

Unironically, if u really enjoy melee crit builds

[finite imp]

i enjoy the knife unironically

[tall torrent]

mkVII tac axe + shred (blessing) + reciprocity (talent) + desperado (talent)

Gets you pretty high melee crit chance

[finite imp]

im a serious knife enjoyer.

i take this seriously

i mso serious

[south garnet]

you'd better delete that knife

[tall torrent]

Knife is cool

[south garnet]

Or else

[midnight patrol]

I managed to stay alive for 10 minutes in the last room in Hab Dreyko because I was dancing around with a knife

[finite imp]

YOU CANT FUCKING MAKE ME

[tall torrent]

I used knife for quite a while because the knife animations in this game are so stylish lol

[midnight patrol]

Finally got downed after 200 plus melee kills and 180 bleed kills lol

[finite imp]

flip dee doo dah

[midnight patrol]

All in that one tiny area

[candid bridge]

You delete now mister or you’re grounded for a WEEK

[shell widget]

continues to dig sand in corner with shovel

[finite imp]

OH FUCK

OH FUCK

[midnight patrol]

Was it optimal TTK? It took me a while so idk.

[ancient path]

how do you guys like infiltrate vs voc?

[pearl granite]

I'm looking at the cosmetic shop, think about supporting the dev by buying something but everything look so... meh

[tall torrent]

The exaggerated swagger of a 42nd millenium former-guardsman inquisitorial acolyte

[midnight patrol]

Infiltrate is a bit more fun imo

You can be quote flexible with how you set up attacks or even how you want to attack with it

[candid bridge]

Infiltrate for more solo clutch stuff (like a revive or to get away from something), VoC for being shouty and supporting your team

[midnight patrol]

10 seconds of being ignored by every shooter in the room blasting your team and playing head clicker simulator is a fav of mine though

[untold mulch]

I like Infiltrate a lot

https://media.tenor.com/kU64qbPP5CYAAAAM/cyberpunk2077-edgerunners.gif

How it feels

[atomic zephyr]

based sandy user

[midnight patrol]

That's pretty accurate lol

[pearl granite]

imagine if we could combine it with the outline effect, for that extra "hackerman" feel

[shell widget]

Haven't tried infiltrate yet, but VoC with Duty and Honour giving the squad a boost for toughness (which becomes very spammable with another talent) is nice to give everyone a blanket buff before we get stuck into combat with nasty stuff. Saved a couple of people with VoC

[midnight patrol]

That's basically a Sandy from Cyberpunk lol

[untold mulch]

Ikr

[atomic zephyr]

sandy doesn’t highly targets?

[midnight patrol]

Slow perceived time to a factor of ten, play head clicking sim

[terse idol]

Duty and honor boost got nerfed and because of the time (5 seconds) its negligible

[atomic zephyr]

sandy + malorian ;)

[terse idol]

At this point it's just a tax

For "Take it down"

[ancient path]

infiltrate letting me reposition to get behind shooter lines when theres a shit ton of shottguners is very nice

[untold mulch]

I rush enemy lines and have a 10 swcond limit to DEAL with the problem

[pearl granite]

vet have to pay too many skill point

[narrow dock]

malorian w/o penetration is not malorian anymore :\

[tall torrent]

Can we talk about how hard captain wolfer and the karnak twins’ drip are

[ancient path]

i just feel so squishy playing right side w/ infiltrate

[atomic zephyr]

yeah but it’s still a big ol pistol

[untold mulch]

Definitely a glow up

[mystic belfry]

Infiltrate is skill issue ult tbh

[midnight patrol]

Infiltrate with the Revolver here

True Mando gamin

[atomic zephyr]

ill have to give that a shot

[topaz lance]

too edgy for my taste

[ancient path]

skill issue ult?

[shell widget]

For how often specialists are getting killed, the - 50 toughness isn't bothering me as much as I thought it would. Because I use revolver, executioner stance doesn't jive much with me

[atomic zephyr]

what’s the shout then?

[midnight patrol]

Spiky indeed

[mystic belfry]

You don’t need stealth to do the things it allows

[finite imp]

theyres saying if you dont use it you suck

[mystic belfry]

No I’m saying it’s a crutch tbh

[ancient path]

i get that i just wanted a bigger explanation

[finite imp]

ok okay

if you DO use it you suck

[mystic belfry]

Like use what’s fun but it’s not needed for what it does

[finite imp]

i figured it was one of those 2

[mystic belfry]

Nah, using a crutch doesn’t mean you suck

[narrow dock]

what should i roll fro Vraks Headhunter?
I mean like everything, base stats, perks blessings

[midnight patrol]

Funnily enough I use Infiltrate to get in to trouble more than out of it.

[candid bridge]

Just like that we’re back in the try hard chat

[terse idol]

I mean, I dunno if that 10% is anything the 50 toughness nerf on shout does hurt though

[narrow dock]

used to run Agripina, but it's "double tap" doesn't feel right, Vraks tho... oh my

[terse idol]

Especially wince it should honestly be built into the shout

[finite imp]

if you dont use grey 300 knife u suck

[terse idol]

Which frankly it's silly it isn't

[tall torrent]

Which one

[bright coyote]

would yall run move speed or damage aura on knife build

[mystic belfry]

Have you used it since they made reload speed effect special shell loading

[shell widget]

Never thought of using it like that, but I'm not sure if behind enemy lines is where I want to be unless I'm rocking a load out that will let me be able to get back to my team without dropping

[mystic belfry]

Move speed ideally

[finite imp]

Neither. If you dont us survivalist you suck :V

[terse idol]

Zealot chorus doesn't need another talent point to regen toughness but vet needs 1 whole skill point to

[midnight patrol]

It does feel pretty pain seeing the Dreg Bruisers survive an accidental chest shot with like. 20 hp remaining

[candid bridge]

Survivalist

[terse idol]

Give people 50

Lol

[midnight patrol]

My breakpoint nooo

[bright coyote]

i love survivalist, just not what im going for

[mystic belfry]

I only run survivalist on my support build

[finite imp]

oh nooo my metaaa :c

[ancient path]

its mostly what i use it for

[shell widget]

Support build let's gooo

[ancient path]

and putting big damage on crushers

[narrow dock]

my friend on burny psiker will finish 'em off xd

[ancient path]

crushers and bosses

[finite imp]

i think its just goofy the revolver does that much damage but a dreg can survive a wing from it

[mystic belfry]

You can do that with just a knife

[midnight patrol]

I still find it funny that my gunker with a very well rolled Vraks can do my Vet's job better at times.

[mystic belfry]

The stealth isn’t needed

[finite imp]

All builds should be support builds this is a co-op game you psychopaths

[narrow dock]

don't have any but one, planning to roll from Brunt, hence i'm asking which stats should i prioritize and pers with blessings expect
again for clarity Vraks Headhunter

[midnight patrol]

Can clear 20+ poxwalkers with micro missiles. One tap a Scab gunner in the head at 5 to 50 meters

[terse idol]

FS when they give zealot a solo aura

[tall torrent]

Yea there’re 2 Vraks headhunter autoguns, which one

[terse idol]

FS when invis

[tall torrent]

mkIII or mkVII

[midnight patrol]

The only thing that fucks her up are Crushers with that build. But then, Force sword

[narrow dock]

there's 2? oh

the brown one

[tall torrent]

The semi auto one?

[finite imp]

i want my CIAG to stop sucking again

[candid bridge]

7

[midnight patrol]

Brown one is the mk VII

[narrow dock]

Semi

[bright coyote]

moving quicker = avoiding more attacks

[finite imp]

i suck you suck we all suck

[terse idol]

There should be 1 build dedicated to support for each class, (the middle tree)
And the rest are the others

[narrow dock]

just git gud <:

[candid bridge]

Bring back launch power sword tbh

[finite imp]

no

[tall torrent]

Blessing: surgical/headhunter + deadly accurate (both mandatory)
Perk: maniac (mandatory) + elite

[terse idol]

👎

Boowop

[midnight patrol]

Also what allows the zealots to make their knives so damn deadly in groups? Is it the ability for them to crit with it?

[finite imp]

yeah 7 chained energized strikes in a row lmao

not OP

[ancient path]

how havey ou guys liked right side?

[mystic belfry]

Vet is deadly with knife too

[candid bridge]

[finite imp]

im a liberal so not much

[midnight patrol]

Seeing them clear out groups just a bit slower than a PS is a bit aggregavating as a Vet

[ancient path]

[narrow dock]

stats priorities?
DMG and Stopping power?

[bright coyote]

lmao

[midnight patrol]

You want Damage and Stopping power as high as possible

Stability and ammo next

Mobility can be your dump stat

Although with the Vraks having 180 ammo and 80%

You really do want a lot of ammo too

[narrow dock]

basically same ish as with every gun

[tall torrent]

That’s a given for basically every weapon
Damage & stopping power (or penetration) need to be high rolls
Stability u want high as well because it has recoil when spammed
Ammo is nice (but I think doesn’t get changed much on mkVII headhunter)
Mobility is whatever

[gritty dock]

Funny 😜

[terse idol]

Tfw recon still bad

🥹

But very nice

[candid bridge]

I’m unfortunately too American to read this language

[narrow dock]

any funny stuff u can do with SMG?
i feel like it gonna work p good with bottom right branch of skill tree

[cerulean grail]

Why is Vet tree so unbelievably bloated??

[gritty dock]

Maybe in the future.

[tall torrent]

What’s smg

[terse idol]

Truue

[mystic belfry]

Too many beans and corpse starch rations

[gritty dock]

Sorry 😉

[midnight patrol]

@narrow dock

[narrow dock]

let u use any combination of nades, skill and auras unlike other classes tho

[cerulean grail]

Yes, but why?

[midnight patrol]

A Vraks like this is a good one

[shell widget]

So it's safe to guess infiltrate is more around assassination of large targets/bosses while VoC is more for helping with the squad stay alive.
Squad survival through targeted DPS vs Squad survival through buffs

[candid bridge]

Cause fatshark hates us

[narrow dock]

autopistol, this Vets get by default i think :D

[cerulean grail]

So? Inconsequential half the time, the tag Keystone is a joke, also Marksman’s Focus while strong is niche.

[narrow dock]

tag is joke

[tall torrent]

Autopistol is just overshadowed by mkV infantry autogun rn

[narrow dock]

[mystic belfry]

Keystone is a joke lmao

[gritty dock]

Btw. I wanted to change the language a few times and couldn't find it in the options.

[cerulean grail]

Several Talents need to be rolled into each other. It’s 100 points vs 80

[terse idol]

What!

[midnight patrol]

The Columnus mk V is kinda like a SMG too

[terse idol]

Tagkey stone is nice

[candid bridge]

You’re good I was just making a dumb joke lol. It’s honestly a good roll, just hope for recon buffs in the future

[tall torrent]

Just give us 10 extra skill points

No vet would complain

[ruby fulcrum]

I'd be happy with 3 tbh

[candid bridge]

Is so tiny

[tall torrent]

3-5 extra skill points would be nice

[midnight patrol]

Rifle caliber PDW let's gooo

[cerulean grail]

Then roll the points into each other, so those bullcrap pointless nodes get rolled into pathway points.

[narrow dock]

my man don't need big toys to feel alr tho <:

[candid bridge]

Let us just use every talent tbh

[topaz lance]

Zealot can do this too

[narrow dock]

so it's infantry MK7?

[tall torrent]

It’s either:
Use current tree and give us 10 extra skill points
Or rework the skill tree and cut unnecessary travel nodes altogether (keep the 10% melee dmg one tho)

[midnight patrol]

Mk V means mk 5

[narrow dock]

oh 5

[midnight patrol]

Columbus Mk 5 is an infantry autogun

[narrow dock]

u renamed stuff

[midnight patrol]

A hilariously fast firing rifle with ADS

But the effective range is.. uh. Yeah.

[narrow dock]

obv

[midnight patrol]

You'll ticke things to death past 20 meters

[narrow dock]

but it goes brrrt

[bright coyote]

am i geekin or is this alright for a knife revolver build

[cerulean grail]

Better to have clusters of points, instead of tree of points. Do a 15/10/5 split with first 15 being ANY of 30 common level points giving Toughness Regen, extra toughness, extra crit chance and auras. Next 10 points will be from 20 points of Blitz and Ult points. Last 5 points will be from 10 total points including Keystones.

[midnight patrol]

But by golly you will drop a Mutant in Damnation in less than 1.5 seconds once it gets closer than that

[candid bridge]

Let us be astartes call down a power armor we climb into

[narrow dock]

go play titanfall and don't be a gonk lol

[candid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-heresy-detected-warhammer40k-space-marines-gif-26543746

[midnight patrol]

But if you like being a very flexible but hard hitting headshot marksman. The Vraks mk7 will do you very well

[narrow dock]

clap clap clap
do be like G7 in apex xd

[midnight patrol]

Other players like the IX and III headhunters because of the funny interaction of crits and blessings

IIRC cribs apply to all rounds in a burst

[jolly cave]

It's funny a lot of vets feel like they need 3-5 more points because the critical path to get to a keystone on the vet tree is on average 3 more traits than the other archetypes.

[tall torrent]

Mk3 headhunter still has the best dps out of the 3 because of its interaction with headhunter

[narrow dock]

kinda sad that Hellbores soo weird

[candid bridge]

Burst fire guns can suck my keystones, they feel awful to use

[narrow dock]

2 taps do be weird, 3 taps tho, are p alr, but i'm not sure darktide have those

[midnight patrol]

I'm a bit concerned with ammo efficiency too

Especially with accidental body shots

[ancient path]

man right side feels so squishy but its really fun quick swapping shotgun to melee

[midnight patrol]

I watched my friends use the mk3 and I don't think I've ever seen them not yellow or red ammo levels lol

Granted they shoot it at like every single fraggin enemy.

[tall torrent]

It’s accurate enough that if you aim chest-neck-head, you’ll very reliably click heads for most engagements

[tall torrent]

Yea well that’s how u run out lol

[narrow dock]

it's fun af tho

[midnight patrol]

Feels like the mkIX and mkIII are very inefficient of you shoot at common shooters

[tall torrent]

MkIII one burst shooters to the body

[ancient path]

tho i swear i feel like shotguns got nerfed some. i remember one shotting from longer ranges with the kantreal.

[midnight patrol]

Oh? Is there some kind of interaction going on there or?

[narrow dock]

aren't zealots love agripina btw?

[ancient path]

still issue or actual issue?

[midnight patrol]

Looking at the damage numbers it's literally almost the same as a Agri mk1 IAG

[tall torrent]

Because HHauto inherently deal high dmg to flak

[midnight patrol]

Hmm..

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174868317681504336/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.17_-_02.25.18.17.mp4

[tall torrent]

It’s just enough to surpass 450 flak in 3 shots if your dmg & SP rolls aren’t low

[kind scarab]

Shotgun go brrrt

[midnight patrol]

If it can one burst the Dreg Bruisers to the chest too, we got some ammo efficiency going on there

[kind scarab]

(from up to 20m away)

[tall torrent]

Lemme try to record

[ancient path]

thats the agrip shottie, yeah?

[kind scarab]

Yeap

[ancient path]

i could of just had bad aim that round

[narrow dock]

gotta aim and shoot head
shottys are p acurate here

[midnight patrol]

Those guys have such a horrible breakpoint where a mk7 leaves them on like 20hp

[kind scarab]

Which one are you using?

[ancient path]

this is my shotgun

[nimble sentinel]

that's hot

[midnight patrol]

Ahhh a Kant

[kind scarab]

That should oneshot things. If you're proccing full bore on the right build setup.

[narrow dock]

Kan is duckbill or dragon?

[ancient path]

yeah It was probably a skill issue

[tall torrent]

Kantrael with full bore doesn’t get that much value imo

[midnight patrol]

Yeah the agri shotty at that range is hilarious. But amusingly it can still reliably two tab scab gunners in the head out to.. I think 20-30 meters?

[raw steppe]

you really want shredder grenades and ammo aura

[midnight patrol]

Them you load slugs and it just bodies them out to 50 lol

[kind scarab]

You can still one-tap at 20m range

[midnight patrol]

Yuh

[junior needle]

Until you can't keep exe stance up

[midnight patrol]

It's the best, rifleman shotgun for sure. But the reload does hurt when you're on a Ex Stance rampage

[ancient path]

does the alt fires for the shotguns still suck? kantrael was bugged to be op for a while

[midnight patrol]

Lawbreakers alt fire is very powerful

It's amusingly even better with left tree keystones

You aim at head level in a horde and it just cleaves through 20 in one shot

Discount Kickback

[ancient path]

oof

[midnight patrol]

Agri alt fire is a railgun

[ancient path]

ill keep my eyes out on it. i was using kantrael for consistent power.

[tall torrent]

@midnight patrol

[gusty cove]

kill confirmed is bug right ?

[midnight patrol]

You can bowl over Crushers with two shots to the head

[ancient path]

i also heard that lawbringer alt was bad but that was info from a long time ago

[midnight patrol]

If they even survive the second if it's a crit.

[tall torrent]

If u want to tap the Dreg shooters better

I think u need unarmored perk

[midnight patrol]

Reliable, noice

[tall torrent]

But the thing is this gun is very easy to aim headshots

[midnight patrol]

What about the bruisers?

[tall torrent]

If u aim upper chest the recoil naturally kicks into headshot within the burst

[midnight patrol]

Scab Bruisers die easy due to their flak, but I noticed not the same for rhe unarmored bruises the Dreg have

Very hard to one tap/one burst

Only once they're past a certain distance with Longshot push it up enough to one tap with the mk7

[tall torrent]

With bruisers if u want to 1 burst, u need headshots

[midnight patrol]

I think the IX and III if you really pace the bursts, they're perfectly accurate

Like the mk7

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily

I mean

[midnight patrol]

I only noticed my IX guns bouncing around if I spam the bursts as fast as they mechanically can shoot

[tall torrent]

If u wait for recoil to settle after every burst

[finite imp]

what gun is good for right branch

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s gonna be accurate but that also lowers ur dps

[narrow dock]

what is it again? Vraks HH mk3?

[tall torrent]

Mk3 doesn’t have that issue

Mk3 just stays accurate no matter what

[tall torrent]

Yea

[narrow dock]

guess other blessing from MK7

which ones?

[umbral scaffold]

Single shot headhunter is the best, you can one tap all gunners, shooters in the head

[narrow dock]

sry i'm new af, idk even what blessing can each gun have xd

[kind scarab]

Whatever helps you kill your enemies better

[umbral scaffold]

Imagine using a weapon called headhunter but not hunting heads, smh

[tall torrent]

Mk3 headhunter wants:
Blessing: headhunter + deadly accurate (both mandatory)
Perk: maniac (must have) + unarmored (nice to have)

[midnight patrol]

If you want a mk7, you can't go wrong with surgical and deadly accurate

[narrow dock]

Deadly accurate is p obv ye, and headhunter stacking crits huh

[junior needle]

What's the unarmored for? Last I checked, with enough stats it could one burst all shooters without perks/blessings/external damage boosts

[tall torrent]

Unarmored one bursts dreg shooters with body

[midnight patrol]

Headhunter is best with the IX and III

[tall torrent]

Because they have more hp than scab shooters

They’re at 500

[midnight patrol]

It really needs those to match the one hit capability the 7 has

[tall torrent]

But it’s rly a “nice to have”

[narrow dock]

i kinda hope focus gonna help there, with 30% weakspot damg and all that

[midnight patrol]

Focus is.. uh

It's hard to have it at the start of every gunfight

But once you settle somewhere for like 5 seconds you can have a ball

[narrow dock]

i mean, just clap few trash mobs in head and u balling, no?

u get 3 stacks from each headshot kill

and passively if u don't move xd

and don't use other one which increase cap to 15

[midnight patrol]

Imagine a scenario where you're going from gunfight to gunfight across a factory floor. You kill 5 shooters there, sword your way through 20 poxwalkers getting to a corner. The next room you come across 3 scab gunners and 4 scab rifleman sitting 20 to 30 meters away

[untold mulch]

Crabslide

[midnight patrol]

You likely won't have focus at that first shot you take for that second gunfight

So your gun does need some upfront usability to it

[junior needle]

Oh wow, that's a big fuckover. It used to one burst them without needing anything back in the day. HP pools must've been buffed.

[narrow dock]

ic

make sense

[midnight patrol]

Which brings to question the focus as a 'rich make richer' kinda thing imo

[tall torrent]

It’s not a big deal because u generally just aim upper chest and recoil kicks into headshot which kills them anyway

Unarmored also helps the 2 burst consistency against Dreg gunners a bit (aiming for head)

[narrow dock]

i don't like Weapon Specialist playstyle :\

[umbral scaffold]

Is that headhunter the two or three round one?

[midnight patrol]

Mkiii is the three round burst

[umbral scaffold]

Left and right node fun

[hollow turtle]

THIS. Just aim for the chest right below head. Always gets the headshot no matter the iag.

[midnight patrol]

IX is two round burst

[umbral scaffold]

I like the 7

[midnight patrol]

IX has a very fast burst pulse

[umbral scaffold]

But idk what build does well on it

[midnight patrol]

III is kinda slow

[umbral scaffold]

I have no respite and opening salvo on the vraks 7

Any recommendations for blessings?

[narrow dock]

i see y ppl can like it, but i don't fancy it myself, cuz it MAKE u switch stuff when u don't rly wanna

[midnight patrol]

Opening Salvo and Surgical can lead to some amusing one body shot breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Surgical + deadly accurate (mandatory)
Maniac (mandatory) + elite (nice to have)

[midnight patrol]

But idk how long you can wait on between shots to make that happen constantly

[narrow dock]

i'll rather have buffs for my gun as soon as i do couple of shots, than get cached in the open w/o boosts on it :\

[umbral scaffold]

I use columnus and knife and find them pair well

[viscid marlin]

I wanted to like left tree, but after looking at past matches of trying to use it even with headshots i averaged 3 or less stacks and it just ended up not working at all. ive gone back to a complete no keystones build and its been working much better off for me.

[umbral scaffold]

The crit off melee kills goes off on the columnus

[midnight patrol]

Surgical is active as you often take a half to full second to aim a shot/burst

[narrow dock]

talking weapon specialist compared to focus there :D

[midnight patrol]

Ahh

Weapon specialist is a very aggressive playstyle yeah

[umbral scaffold]

Is 0.2 ramp up way faster than 0.25? On surgical for the headhunter autogun?

[thick kestrel]

5 stacks in 1 second vs 4

[midnight patrol]

You kinda become a less shouty Zealot.

[umbral scaffold]

Damn I need that 4

[thick kestrel]

it adds up overall

[viscid marlin]

surgical isnt there to get you to 100% crit, its there to supplement deadshot to give you around 50% when you are spamming and if you want a more accurate longer higher crit shot for something far away you just wait slightly longer.

[umbral scaffold]

Do y’all use the marksmen focus for that play style?

[narrow dock]

i don't think it pairs well with "sniping"
seems to be fun af with Columnus MK3 tho

[midnight patrol]

It's very satisfying to do a cinematic one second breath hold, then you shoot and hear that delicious crit headshot sound

[thick kestrel]

yarp :>

big Volgona is broadly correct, it's more about smoothing out consistency with spaced shots than going for 100% crit with every shot

[umbral scaffold]

Is having marksmen keystone overkill or does it pair well?

[tall torrent]

Swap keystone is pretty good for revolver and shotgun

[narrow dock]

anyway for long range it takes bit longer to line up a shot than somehting close, yep facts

[thick kestrel]

kind of depends on the weapon overall, for something like a headhunter mk7? definitely

[umbral scaffold]

Nice

[tall torrent]

Unless u run swap keystone which makes surgical less necessary

[thick kestrel]

on a 1a lasgun? eh... bit less...

look for guns with already large weakpoint multipliers on their damage

[viscid marlin]

except that swap keystone only works on one bullet

[narrow dock]

u get 8 second buff wdym

[midnight patrol]

It allows you to do funny things like get a 1500 crit weakpoint shot at the pimple of a beast of nurgle

[viscid marlin]

oh.. oh no they dont know

[tall torrent]

Revolver crit 1 tap headshot kills most things in 1 shot anyway

[umbral scaffold]

Do y’all take deadshot with surgical or just pass up on it

[viscid marlin]

we were talking about builds for vraks 7

[midnight patrol]

But like I said, it's a 'Rich get Richer' kinda keystone

[tall torrent]

Swap keystone’s ranged crit buff is only for first shot or chain

[tall torrent]

Ohh then yea surgical 100%

Mb

[umbral scaffold]

I find stamina always an issue for me

With deadshot

[narrow dock]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[midnight patrol]

With the Vraks mk7 you reslly don't loose out with Deadshot

[narrow dock]

y does ppl even use it then? sheeesh

[midnight patrol]

It's cost is per shot and a fixed amount

[umbral scaffold]

I used to run both stamina delay nodes and never had a problem with it

[viscid marlin]

the weapon swap keystone is a code probably line for line of code ripped off of vermintide 2's saltzpyre. we have veideo in here of it working exactly the same even, but all the buff does for your gun is give you 100% crit chance after any melee kill on your next and first bullet shot. the duration portion of the buffs are only for melee.

[umbral scaffold]

But now I’m finding myself having no stamina to block things

[raw steppe]

get some stam regen

on curios then

[umbral scaffold]

I do

[narrow dock]

ye that, so u need to have as low base stamina pool as possible, cuz u don't regen stamina like %/sec

[umbral scaffold]

Cannot play without it

[narrow dock]

it's goes like 0.3/sec or something

[midnight patrol]

I run two +3 stam and sometimes if I want to really min max, right tree talents that give stamina and crit chance back on dodges

[umbral scaffold]

I see

[midnight patrol]

Also having 12% Stam regen on all three curious

[umbral scaffold]

Need me another +3 stamina

[narrow dock]

so more stamina u have, more u spend on shot and longer it regens

[umbral scaffold]

Those are night and day

[midnight patrol]

It used to be like that where you spent a percentage of your stamina

[umbral scaffold]

It’s flat amount now?

[narrow dock]

oh they changed it?

[midnight patrol]

But now it's a fixed value cost for ads, and then the cost per shot

[midnight patrol]

Mhmm

[umbral scaffold]

[viscid marlin]

duck n dive refills 30% per dodge, so you want as high as possible if you are using deadshot. 3 dodges and you have full stam, and full stam on 2 stam curios is a lot more stam to shoot then less. but it just depends on what you are doing now. And it's a flat amount.

[midnight patrol]

Allows for some funny stam and stam regen plays

[mystic belfry]

I run one +3 stam and one +stam regen

[frank ether]

I find that going middle keystone is better on helbore

[narrow dock]

then it make sense to expand stamina pool now huh

[viscid marlin]

yeah

i run 2 stam on my deadshot autogun vet now

[umbral scaffold]

I just want my crits to hurt a lot

[viscid marlin]

it works great

[umbral scaffold]

Even if it overkills

[frank ether]

plus you have the %20 monstrosity/ogryn damage on middle aswell, added with focus damage bonus, fireteam and the proc from mark kill

[umbral scaffold]

Yeahh

[frank ether]

you just end up outdamaging left tree while being much tankier

[midnight patrol]

You really want Deadshot and Deadly accurate as your talent then blessimg

[frank ether]

left tree is a pathetic mess

[narrow dock]

stamina regen delay is literally death on veteran ngl xd

psyker dgaf they have like 0 delay

[viscid marlin]

they changed that too

its 1.0 now

[mystic belfry]

Middle keystone has a node to regen stam

[midnight patrol]

Target marking is a very reliable straight up damage boost however

[umbral scaffold]

[tall torrent]

Because it’s very cracked with revolver and shotgun

[midnight patrol]

No hoops needed, every gunfight with something nasty you'll get the buff if you mark it

[viscid marlin]

just a pain in the butt to mark every single thing you shoot

[mystic belfry]

Not really

[umbral scaffold]

Only thing holding back marksmen focus is phantom hits

[mystic belfry]

Set mark to a side mouse button or alt

[umbral scaffold]

Fucking only issue I have with it

[viscid marlin]

i have it bound to my shoot button and it's still anoying to have

[mystic belfry]

Don’t do that

It can spam with the mark ult

[midnight patrol]

No hit regs even with 23 ping. Paain.

[umbral scaffold]

Worst feeling is with the revolver

[midnight patrol]

Fatshark servers being run by Blight infected hamsters

[narrow dock]

i mean, u can oneshot 5 crushers with focus w/o killing 10 shiteaters inbetween xd

[umbral scaffold]

There goes 1 round never to be seen again

[viscid marlin]

im not going to use mark without some way to apply it consistently without having to change my mouse grip or it becomes inconsistent

[mystic belfry]

Alt

[umbral scaffold]

I have my middle mouse as ping

[viscid marlin]

if you middle mouse ping you would have to take your finger off of either your ads or your shooting finger, to ping and then swap back

[atomic zephyr]

you ever feel underdressed?

[viscid marlin]

that just sounds unfun

[midnight patrol]

Clutch shot on sniper, you click first. Headshot crit sound. Fatshark server says kark you. Get one tapped to death

[umbral scaffold]

Moving a finger is unfun?

[narrow dock]

erm, just don't hold rmb to aim then? use toggle aim, it superior to hold

[midnight patrol]

Asian Orgyn on the right is not a bad vibe

[viscid marlin]

what i mean is, when 20 gunners show up and you have to ping them before you shoot to have a buff, screw that. i would rather just mow them all down faster and without the need for that.

[atomic zephyr]

real
i was just the only one there w/o a fancy outfit lmao

[real mantle]

I wish there was a penal Legion Imperial Guard mini set.

I made a penal Legion gunner and sniper as 2 of my veteran load outs.

[narrow dock]

u don't need to ping every single one tho, pings have CD on dmg buffs and stuff

like ing first and last one

[viscid marlin]

i swap too much and i don't really like toggle ads, it slows my transitions down a lot

[umbral scaffold]

Toggle aim sounds clunky af

[midnight patrol]

The one thing people really spam Focus Fire on are ragers

[umbral scaffold]

Woops

[narrow dock]

does it even affct weapon swaps? 💀

[umbral scaffold]

Meant to reply to that message

[midnight patrol]

I can literally feel a players panic when I see a Vet jumping in place and the rager they're shooting at is being pinged so fast it sounds like a MG42

[narrow dock]

used to thing like that too, but there's a scinse behind it :D

u literally shoot better this way

took me couple of days to get used to it tho

[stone birch]

my power sword has 25% damage to maniacs for a reason

[midnight patrol]

So if anything it allows me to sense the fear of a Veteran lmao

[viscid marlin]

i have definitely had more "spam every single thing cause i want my buffs ples" vets then "once in a while mark" vets. not only is it super annoying to see but to hear as well.

[stone birch]

my catachan sword too

[midnight patrol]

.. Huh. This might be the game changer

Could probably one or two tap ragers with parry

[narrow dock]

oh another alternative for ya
thumb buttons?

[stone birch]

yes. right to the noggin

[umbral scaffold]

Thumb buttons op

[viscid marlin]

i am so close to one tap on mine it hurts. i'm like 20 hp off of one tap parrying a rager

[urban steppe]

change rampage with a momentum or keep like this ?

[stone birch]

i mean, if 10 ragers are on you, you are still so fucking fucked. but 1-2 become managable

[viscid marlin]

i use the thumb buttons for other things

[midnight patrol]

I wonder if Parry can counter two or more ragers all wailing away infront of you

[mystic belfry]

It can

[midnight patrol]

I know the counter strike of one can swipe across the others

[viscid marlin]

it does

it has a swing angle

[midnight patrol]

But does it count as like, 3 parries at once lmao

[mystic belfry]

I’ve tanked two bosses at the same time before on auric

[viscid marlin]

ive gotten 3-4 before

[narrow dock]

it does couple, but still won't save from everyone, it's aren't rly wide swing

[viscid marlin]

you just gotta use your dodge with it

and you keep holding block so as soon as the parry is over you are already still blocking

[narrow dock]

i heard u can move ur camera fast during pary to hit more of them, but idk if it's true xd

[viscid marlin]

you can

thats like most melees

[mystic belfry]

Claw and knife are the best defensive weapons for big enemies

[midnight patrol]

I have very high stam, so I've had some success with the Cat swords ish

[narrow dock]

knife is best def? y tho?

[viscid marlin]

i run deadshot with 2 curios and duck n dive so i also have a lot of success with my dc7

[mystic belfry]

Mobility

[midnight patrol]

Very fast stam regen

And mobility

[narrow dock]

oh right, fair

[umbral scaffold]

Love dodge range and count on knife

I really like dodging on slopes and going flying

[narrow dock]

no jab stun anythingbutbosses like ogryn tho xd

[midnight patrol]

You can dodge basically forever while wailing away with a bleed knife

The TTK is horrible. But you're not dead

So you can add up

[viscid marlin]

i guess you could do that

i feel like knife is hard on the fingers after a few runs

[stone birch]

at that point, just pop em with a revolver. but some builds cannot afford that.

[umbral scaffold]

I just let my team get the attention while I stab the back of their heads with my rending

[narrow dock]

i didn't like power swords at first, but after getting that perk which lets u do 3 charged swipes... oooh boy

[midnight patrol]

Time to find a full auto melee mod

[viscid marlin]

i also just got that last week.. and ive been enjoying the mark 6 two tapping crusher heads.

[stone birch]

Power Swords are my favorite, alongside the catachan sword. other melee weapons got their uses, but these two I love.

[forest maple]

Very nice..... At the end of carnival Auric t5 High-int shocktrooper at 30 minutes, im getting missions aborted

WTF

[stone birch]

mark 4, obviously. bushido overhead is bae

[viscid marlin]

i like the mark 7

but they are all good

[narrow dock]

not rly sure about differences between all of 'em

[stone birch]

indeed

[midnight patrol]

Does the Catachan swords all have insane finesse modifiers or something?

[viscid marlin]

its preference really

[narrow dock]

could do a quck rundown?

[viscid marlin]

the parry is the same

its the combos that change

[narrow dock]

only that

[viscid marlin]

the parry part does, its super high

[midnight patrol]

They only do 60 damage but against infested and unarmoured they seem to be able to keep up with a PS

[stone birch]

yep. and I like spamming sweeping light attacks with a heavy attack for the muties, so mark 4 just suits my playstyle best

[narrow dock]

so like, which one i pref more, vanguars or strikedowns

ic

[viscid marlin]

well

[midnight patrol]

Idk how it does.

[narrow dock]

i have one which have 2 vanguards and strikedown, with 2 vanguards on heavys, soo not as good on heavyes, but damn it shash stuff rly nice

[viscid marlin]

the 4 starts off heavy combos with an overhead, good for single priority targets. the 7 that i use starts off heavies with a right to left sweep, easy to whip out and start on hordes. the 1, well we all know the one. it's just side to side heavy sweep all day ere day.

they can all do hordes though

and all parry

thats the main thing

[narrow dock]

guess mine is 1 then xd

so u do have defense on charging?

[viscid marlin]

after getting used to the 7 i love it but the 4 is great too

defense on charging?

not really

[midnight patrol]

I like the mk1 because it allows me to headshot 10 people at the same time lol

[viscid marlin]

but its fast enough ti doesnt matter

[viscid marlin]

its great at that

[midnight patrol]

Thank the emperor in the year 40k, people are all around the same height!

[viscid marlin]

yeah.. pretty convenient

[narrow dock]

not we're tho

speaking of

[stone birch]

the 4's strike down heavy makes me happy the way the ogryn rock does.

[narrow dock]

whcih char height do ya'll running? xd

[midnight patrol]

My Vet is a monster sized girl lol

[narrow dock]

me to be like 3/4 or 4/5th xd

[stone birch]

my veteran is like, 33% max height.(i think like 5'3) my zealot is max short, a 4'10 short king. my ogryn is like 12 feet tall. my psker is like, my height IRL ('5'8-9ish)

[midnight patrol]

But she likes beeg guns so it adds up

[midnight patrol]

I noticed a lot of people like making tiny zealots

[half summit]

my vet is Walter Hartwell White

[narrow dock]

guess they don't wanna get hit plus interups pthers much

[midnight patrol]

Also my Vet is now 30+194 levels..

[stone birch]

too hilarious not to. There's something magical about a manlet shouting so loudly that plague ogryns and chaos spawns recoil at them

[midnight patrol]

By the throne lmao

[narrow dock]

i did put my orgyn at 100% tho
to annoy the f out of everyone behind me

but tbf i thinked of it as being bigger meat shield for teamm8s

[midnight patrol]

Dwarf literally too karking angy to die

[narrow dock]

too bad i realized it's kinda messing them up more than helping

a bit l8

[stone birch]

it makes me happy the way the mark 4 overhead heavy and ogryn rock does LOL

[midnight patrol]

Sometimes as a Vet when I see a Oggy infront of me I actually just.. stop giving supporting fire entirely lol

[narrow dock]

i just give up and let them play the game
and cover his ass in melee

[mystic belfry]

I just fire plasma directly through their body

[midnight patrol]

Honestly. Not many Oggy's know how to sideline melee

[stone birch]

i've learned that if a shot would kill an enemy through an ally, it will take the shot on the enemy over stopping on the ally. the amount of snipers I have popped through my ogryn bodyguards I have lost count of

[narrow dock]

only plasma and bolter can do that, soo meh

[mystic belfry]

I think revolver can?

[midnight patrol]

You still push up, but you can kinda sit off to the side of a hallway and still melee into a flow of a horde

[half summit]

anybody give me a vet stealth build rq

[narrow dock]

oh ye and revolver

[mystic belfry]

You should usually do things as frontline anyways

[half summit]

points got reset with traitor curse release and i dont wanna remake my build from memory

[mystic belfry]

Just don’t run stealth vet

Ez

[narrow dock]

nobody said anything about not boing in front, it's about not covering whole dorways with ur body

[half summit]

but what if i will

what if i wanna be funny silly

[narrow dock]

that, he sucks, wanna stealth, go zealot

[tiny summit]

Trying out infiltrate with marksman focus

[half summit]

it seems to be over

[mystic belfry]

Infiltrate users too lazy to make their own builds, so no worries here

[viscid marlin]

@narrow dock https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1AlB0XDF6uWQce/d1337U0UKKlM?invite=cr-MSw5YzAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA this is the one i use

[midnight patrol]

It's quite good, you're on a solid idea

[narrow dock]

WHAIT U CAN WHAT?!

parry a rock smash to the head?!

[mystic belfry]

Of course you can

[viscid marlin]

to be fair tim is basically a parry god of gods and even i can't do that well with it all the time

[narrow dock]

bruuuuh

[viscid marlin]

but yes you can parry heads

thats where it does the most damage

[midnight patrol]

You can parry crusher overheads yeah

[mystic belfry]

You can even parry boss overheads

[midnight patrol]

But you basically need to bait the crusher to focus on you

[narrow dock]

idk, devil claw have like 10 second parry window ngl :D

[mystic belfry]

Just heavy one spam if they aren’t attacking you

[viscid marlin]

@narrow dock https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1wUm2HEH3PVg_0/d13379uZyvcK?invite=cr-MSxXT0MsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA Heads ^

[midnight patrol]

So if that crusher insists on destroying someone else's bussy. That other person is.. well. Fucked

[narrow dock]

damn devil claw is nasty

[viscid marlin]

it is

people sleep on it too much

its saved me so many times

6 pack of ragers in my face from behind? no problem, parry sword

[mystic belfry]

Devils claw is very good

[narrow dock]

i knew it good def, but i never tried to parry overhead smashes

[viscid marlin]

its hard

the window is very small;

but you can do it

[mystic belfry]

What?

[narrow dock]

same goes for those guys with sawaxes

[mystic belfry]

The parry window is fucking massive

[viscid marlin]

the sooner in the parry you get hit the less stam you lose

no i mean like, the overhead crusher

[midnight patrol]

Has to be an upwards diagonal?

[narrow dock]

maulers

[midnight patrol]

Your aim direction that is

[mystic belfry]

Parry is crazy forgiving in this game

[viscid marlin]

specifically overhead crusher and mauler swings, those you need to land early int he parry but everything that isnt that even bosses, the window is huge

[viscid marlin]

thats where the swing originates from so its basically how you force the pary headshot

[midnight patrol]

Ahh a parry is a downwards right strike

[viscid marlin]

err

it goes from bottom left to top right

well on the 7

im not sure about the other 2

i think they are all the same though

[midnight patrol]

Gawd that's weird

[viscid marlin]

it is but you get used to it

most things that arent a boss die to a non headshot anyways

[narrow dock]

it's morbin' time!!11

sry, couldn't not do it

[midnight patrol]

Ragers take two to three body parries I think

[viscid marlin]

should only be 1 parry and a light attack

[stone birch]

the parry frames last forever compared to games like sekiro or bloodborne lol. like i've landed parries that would have gotten me hit 3-4 times over in aforementioned games

[midnight patrol]

But yeah usually they die of you boop em back once with a light

[tiny summit]

Gonna try out the devil sword only recently got a decent stat roll white. It's just so easy to sleep on. You could have a sword sure...or you can have a power sword or chainsword!

[narrow dock]

my man compare effing sekiro to darktide

[midnight patrol]

Very undignified death for them. Perfect.

[viscid marlin]

its solid

i mean the power sword is insanely good too

but i like the feel of the parry

[midnight patrol]

The catachan is super safe to use too

[narrow dock]

any tips on stats btw?

for melees

[stone birch]

what? they are miles apart. that's why I did so. Parrying here is near brainless lol.

[tiny summit]

Been using my helbore 1. Bayonet stabbing the rager from safety. Think it's like 2-3 weakspot stabs to kill