veteran-class

[safe quiver]

damn lol

[tall torrent]

Combat axes are good (especially for veteran)
Tactical axes are less good (?)

[valid apex]

Caxe2 (rashad)

[waxen lark]

Professional sounds good, love his shouts

[zealous wyvern]

tactical axes are eh

[valid apex]

Caxe2 recks

[crisp bronze]

Implying the female Cadian has voice lines

[whole moon]

Rashad is brutal

[atomic zephyr]

i wouldnt know i barely see her

[zealous wyvern]

the only bad combat axe model is the achlys line

[thick kestrel]

VII is personal favourite for the tac axes even if they're not top end, for blessings shred kind of works well if you combo it with desperado for stacking crit to lean into what the tac axes can do. brutal momentum over limb splitter is probably a good plan. you also want to get maniac damage on there.

[safe quiver]

which blessing should i earn from this ?

[thick kestrel]

but, even with my liking of them... the combat axes are overall a bit more solid

[tall torrent]

Shred IV

[thick kestrel]

shred 100%

[crisp bronze]

Female Cadian is definitely contender for rarest voice in my experience. It's up there.

[atomic zephyr]

i think it straight up is, i hear it the least

[dapper vessel]

I think its that or fem agitator

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure savant is an already trained and sanctioned Psyker whereas the other 2 are unsanctioned

[atomic zephyr]

i hear fem agitator more than fem cutthroat

though the bully ogryn might be rarer

[safe quiver]

thankssss

[tall torrent]

It’s hard to argue with professional vet’s 20 different code callouts

[worthy pelican]

which is a shame cause bully ogryn is hilarious

[junior grail]

Is Long Ranged Assassin keystone modifier worth?

[zealous wyvern]

i hear bully ogryn a lot and it makes me sad

[atomic zephyr]

i really like the code callouts lol

[untold mulch]

Aint no way Seer is not sanctioned

The E fragment probably latched then

[tall torrent]

Only worthwhile one is camouflage

[limpid hull]

eh the final two keylette stones on the swap build are a lil meh

fleeting fire and conditioning

[untold mulch]

Using unsactioned psykers is STUPID

[tall torrent]

Seer is a maybe
Loner is definitely not sanctioned

[still flare]

TRAXIS 77 DOWN

[atomic zephyr]

TRAXIS 1 SUPPRESSING FIRE

[limpid hull]

nah he is. psykers are like top level in this game

[untold mulch]

I really doubt it

Unsactioned Psykers are too risky for yourself

[limpid hull]

lore wise, they would have died in the wild

[nimble sentinel]

TRAXIS...Something...something with a NET

[atomic zephyr]

i dont think savant is sanctioned

[junior grail]

Loner is more of Tolerated Psyker

[atomic zephyr]

just protected by the enforcers

[tall torrent]

Loner says too many heretical things to be a “sanctioned Psyker”

[languid escarp]

did they also change so that there are less low intensity damnation spawn?

[worthy pelican]

he literally talks about being trained

[dapper vessel]

pop quiz

[atomic zephyr]

yes

[dapper vessel]

who is Praxis 9 alpha

[languid escarp]

I feel like I havent seen a low intensity damnation since patch drop

[atomic zephyr]

there is no praxis code

[junior grail]

Your mom

[shell ginkgo]

Traxis... 12? Ya. Traxis 12! (It wasn't traxis 12)

[crisp bronze]

I think the default psyker has lines about literally being an enforcer. They have to be sanctioned.

[dapper vessel]

aint no way you guys dont know who praxis 9 alpha

[topaz lance]

Loner is a tzeentchian plant

[dapper vessel]

💀

[atomic zephyr]

only traxis

[untold mulch]

You can be sanctioned and still talk shit

He could just be a lot looser on the tongue now considering he was a dead man

[limpid hull]

No I mean, for Gamma + level psykers, (i think thats the name) they are either sanctioned or blow up or something. super rare. Being able to shoot lightning is a top tier move

[dapper vessel]

fake Vets smh

[tall torrent]

Savant constantly talks about the Lex Atoma and discipline, he’s most definitely sanctioned

[atomic zephyr]

oh wait its chaos spawn

[nimble sentinel]

Chaos Spawn

[atomic zephyr]

professional just calls them rotbag

[dapper vessel]

CORRECT

[atomic zephyr]

?

[limpid hull]

if they werent, they would be now. otherwise they would blow up the ship eventually

[dapper vessel]

fun fact

[tall torrent]

Sanctioned Psyker
Says “corpse emperor”, disses Astartes gene-seed, says “worship me or die!” in combat

[untold mulch]

You can be sanctioned and be unstable as fuck

[dapper vessel]

Praxis 9 Alpha is the only code that the Loose Cannon got right

[untold mulch]

Savant is OUT OF THE NORM stable

Just a chill dude

[worthy pelican]

Savant is a gigachad

[untold mulch]

Or gal

[junior needle]

Loner mentions having endured tons of terrible things to steel his mind against the warp, so the psykers are definitely not untrained. Sanctioned doesn't necessarily mean soul bound.

[nimble sentinel]

also would tell nurgle personally to go stick a copy of the codex astartes up his crusty butthole

[atomic zephyr]

that must be why i didnt recall it at first

dude i love savant

[limpid hull]

lol if we go out of lore, i think the psyker is just a combination of all of them. hes definetely unsanctioned, atleast one or two of them

[atomic zephyr]

they can be supremely sassy when they want

[tall torrent]

Ok thx

Seer is prob the funniest Psyker though

[untold mulch]

Seer is the best

[zealous wyvern]

you mean buttholes
no way he only has one

[junior needle]

Marine librarians are also not soulbound, neither are inquisitor psykers last I checked

[tall torrent]

“I’ve killed a whole lot of people thankfully this isn’t all real”

[untold mulch]

"No beloved, I think he doesnt want to play"

[crisp bronze]

Fighting Nurgle for the good of The Imperium and Big E? ✋️
Fighting Nurgle because the Tzeentian demon told you to? 👍

[nimble sentinel]

BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR!

[worthy pelican]

Fighting because Khorne The Emperor demands it?

[atomic zephyr]

i really regret picking fem judge zealot

fem fanatic>>>>

[crisp bronze]

All three Vets mention having dreams involving blood and other very Khorne related things.

[limpid hull]

is that whats going on with him?

[tall torrent]

Male judge zealot is pretty cool

[atomic zephyr]

ehhh male judge is alright

[tall torrent]

Male or female

[untold mulch]

Probably all our characters are being "tempted" indirectly

[atomic zephyr]

cutthroat says he "doesnt dream, they were beaten out of him" either child abuse or pure edgelord idk

[safe quiver]

what is the point of the rashak 2 CAxe speicel attack ?

[untold mulch]

But I assume we are shrugging it off

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/lg2S5BIuuDs?si=SnGEvKxlNyQ3ZLdh

[untold mulch]

crawling in my skin

[supple hamlet]

Anyone have a build for the agrapina shotgun vet?

[shell ginkgo]

Being on Cadia'll do that

[atomic zephyr]

cutthroat is such a downer im so glad the other vets rip into him

its really funny

[worthy pelican]

https://youtu.be/opBQ84BCth0

[limpid hull]

i want to like him, but i just dont quite

[atomic zephyr]

hes too heavy handed

hes ALWAYS bitching about how everyones going to die

and cadia

[limpid hull]

i think some of his edge is good. but gloomy and edgy rarely work out

and cadia

[atomic zephyr]

yeah sometimes its alright, its just that he never stops

[umbral scaffold]

I watched Cadia get cracked today in Armada 2

Funny shit

[zealous wyvern]

male judge is THE BEST OF ALMOST ALL VOICES

THE RIGHTEOUS NEED NO LIGHT

[atomic zephyr]

hes nice to one of the psykers sometimes though

[limpid hull]

i like female wormwood

[untold mulch]

I think new lines have toned down Cutthroat

[nimble sentinel]

we love a VA who memes with their character

[zealous wyvern]

THERE CAN BE NO MERCY

[crisp bronze]

I actually believe it's a shard of the Emperor. There is more evidence pointing to it than evidence pointing to Tzeentch. The Loner does mention another voice speaking to them but specifies it is not their "beloved".

[zealous wyvern]

the voice is literally just a space marine talking

[untold mulch]

New lines i heard of Cutthroat felt he was less bitchy

[atomic zephyr]

i like fem fanatic a lot
for some reason she strikes me as the sorta person to casually chat while threatening people with a knife

[limpid hull]

i see

lol

[zealous wyvern]

i have yet to hear any new lines except ofc carnival relevant

[untold mulch]

Yeah there is a line about Tzeentch palace, but it sounds wrong and Seer doesnt follows

[atomic zephyr]

there were new lines added with the overhaul

[tall torrent]

The one who talks abt beloved all the time is Seer, not Loner

[atomic zephyr]

noticed them immediately

[zealous wyvern]

not heard one yet

[untold mulch]

I really really doubt is NOT the Emperor

[crisp bronze]

Yeah I meant Seer. Woops.

[untold mulch]

Way too specific, its him

Or a part of his fragmented mind

[tall torrent]

Seer is most definitely talking with a fragment of the emperor’s consciousness though

[untold mulch]

And I love it

[atomic zephyr]

i think the seer is just being fucked with lol

"Oh! I know, I know! A SHIEEEELD!"

[delicate moat]

i hate it when people dont push objective

[atomic zephyr]

i love the delivery

[untold mulch]

Also funny that Emperor is saying shit like "that dog wasnt a good boi"

[atomic zephyr]

he sounds so proud of himself

[untold mulch]

Emprah is bored

"yes beloved is a healing station, silence now"

The balls to say to E to shut up

[atomic zephyr]

"Sniper! (yes beloved i told them)"

[nimble sentinel]

they took his TTS device what else is he to do?

[tall torrent]

Greatest update for professional vet would be to finally introduce a code for mutants

[atomic zephyr]

seer psyker is actually a twitch streamer and the emperor is watching

[untold mulch]

Makes no sense

Mutants are random by nature

[crisp bronze]

Could be a shard of Big E that is primarily the child like parts of his mind. Would explain that line and maybe some other.

[worthy pelican]

"Ligma-47 inbound!"

[wispy sorrel]

Well I use he loose cannon one he always messes up the codes anyway 😄

[untold mulch]

That makrs sense

[abstract stream]

Girlboss hat aquired

[wispy sorrel]

Traxis, something... SOMETHING WITH A NET!

[nimble sentinel]

Slaanesh69420 donated 400 bits!

"Show feet"

[untold mulch]

Traxis...12? YEAH TRAXIS 12

Poor lad is so wrong

[atomic zephyr]

i love this hat

[atomic zephyr]

isnt this in response to a traxis-7

[abstract stream]

Legit was just gatekept by the bugged talent

[tall torrent]

I don’t think there’s an actual traxis-12 enemy in the game

[abstract stream]

its easily the best hat for my girl

[atomic zephyr]

there is no traxis-12

[untold mulch]

EXACTLY

[tall torrent]

Professional never calls out traxis-12

[untold mulch]

LC is such a mess in memory

Literally me fr

[atomic zephyr]

professional and LC voices are so good

[shell ginkgo]

It doesn't feel right without a code

[atomic zephyr]

i appreciate em every time

both genders

[shell ginkgo]

When will we make up one for mutie

[abstract stream]

Anyway this is a new question I have

What is the highest crit possible

[wispy sorrel]

Traxis 12 is an Ork in full top hat and tails. 😄

[shell ginkgo]

We got codes for a chaos spawn but no mutie?

[fleet drift]

Power Sword with power cycler 4 is so much fun to use

[untold mulch]

Traxis 12 is the purple ork sniper

No one believes him 😔

[delicate moat]

trappers with nurgle's blessing is really something

[nimble sentinel]

fr? I never saw one yet

[crisp bronze]

How are my fellow soldiers feeling about this idea: Moebian 6th Loyalist cosmetics. Same gear as the basic Scab Shooters but cleaned up all pretty?

[zealous wyvern]

would be good

[untold mulch]

It spawns when you ask your commisar dumb shit

[zealous wyvern]

i bet we get it one day

[untold mulch]

i want to steal that volley gun

It is MINE

[eternal sable]

does anyone know how to active the laser from the weapon customization mod?

[nimble sentinel]

[last sparrow]

Does anyone know if Onslaught applies to ranged weapons as well? it doesnt specify on the talent. Would rather not assume anything and yall prob know more than i

[untold mulch]

It does

[dapper vessel]

yes

[abstract stream]

What does ranged finesse even begin to mean bro

[untold mulch]

Weakspot and crit

Damage

[last sparrow]

thank youu

[abstract stream]

Alright thanks

[dapper vessel]

bonuses to your weak spot, crit and crit weak spot damage.

[abstract stream]

Going flechette from now on

[untold mulch]

On melee also swing speed

[crisp bronze]

It does. Makes certain Auto guns usable or even respectable against armor.

[tall torrent]

I speak for everyone when I say scab gunner’s armor looks dope as hell

[midnight patrol]

Kiiiinda got the Kant mkIV to work?

[untold mulch]

I will never forgive the stealth change to exploit weakness

[midnight patrol]

was using it like an assault rifle that has a very funny reverse damage falloff

[junior needle]

Ranged, melee, and DOT effects all apply

[midnight patrol]

Can't say its a very nice shooting feeling though

[tall torrent]

Any tick of damage from you will apply onslaught

[untold mulch]

DOT TOO?

[tall torrent]

It’s very single target specific though

[tall torrent]

Infernus and bleed DoT apply onslaught

[untold mulch]

Damn

[zealous wyvern]

so what talents were deleted in the update?

[last sparrow]

sick i use the bleed melee talent

[zealous wyvern]

i know blood stacks per melee hit is one

[tall torrent]

So with this newfound knowledge, Infernus may not be that useless after all

[midnight patrol]

Hmm, it didn't feel like it was doing much in the psykanium

[zealous wyvern]

i thought it is gone

[untold mulch]

Nah is there

[midnight patrol]

Still takes 20 plus shots from a mkIV to drop a crusher

[zealous wyvern]

huh

[dusty ferry]

She so pretty

aaaa

[zealous wyvern]

people said it is gone

[sharp ember]

mosin nagant for vet when

[tall torrent]

Because higher stacks of Infernus doesn’t really increase the DoT tick rate

[last sparrow]

they just moved it above Close and Kill

[zealous wyvern]

good

[junior needle]

Mhm, for an extreme lazyman method you can put infernus on an infantry las (normally a terrible idea) and leverage onslaught for flak/carapace damage. Same with laspistol. Helbores don't need it.

[midnight patrol]

Right, so it seems the TTK is about, 6 seconds tops

At least in a pinch, its worth a shot?

Sometimes I dont have Kraks right in my pocket lol

Can't stop the crushers about to make the Psyker dieded

[untold mulch]

i need info of part 2 already dammit

[tall torrent]

Infernus might be better than deadly accurate on mgIV inf las (maybe mgIa and mgXII too?)

[tall torrent]

Yea

The other thing I thought was

Infernus laspistol with crit build

[zealous wyvern]

hellgun hellgun hellgun hellgun

[untold mulch]

I use that

[zealous wyvern]

i want it for my gunner

[tall torrent]

Ghost + Infernus
Duck & Dive + Deadshot

[untold mulch]

So I get buffed af

[junior needle]

Just keep in mind that infernus itself is pretty dog, and it's really there for onslaught stacking and boss damage

[tall torrent]

Run Onslaught

[untold mulch]

I already do

[tall torrent]

Infernus only exists to activate onslaught

[untold mulch]

On god emperor

[junior needle]

More or less yeah

[tall torrent]

I think the Infernus onslaught strat is much better on laspistol than on infantry lasgun due to lower recoil by default and higher firerate

[nimble sentinel]

Soft disagree, I have melted bosses with my trusty flashlight

[zealous wyvern]

for realspace for realspace

[untold mulch]

Gib hellgun either standalone or like Outcast Engineer

[last sparrow]

i was curious cause Onslaught on Shredder Autopistol sounds sick against anything that isnt a Crusher. thanks all

[tall torrent]

Non-boss scenarios

Specifically against armor

[junior needle]

laspistol and mg4 both have 5 rps, k12 is obviously better suited for headhunting

[tall torrent]

Boss yea DA just chunks them down hard

[nimble sentinel]

Still great for most things, DoT is nice but 100% crit damage is a LOT of damage

[tall torrent]

But laspistol has way lower recoil than mgIV

[junior needle]

1a and 4 have the benefit of better ammo efficiency compared to laspistol

This is true

It's way more pleasant handling wise

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper makes Laspistol last silly time

[tall torrent]

mgIV needs headhunter (which wants consistent head clicking) to enable crits

[junior needle]

But more reliant on consistent headshotting

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

gonna go ahead and plug this again since we're talking MG4

[junior needle]

With deadshot you don't explicitly need it, but yes it does boost your crit rate if you're actually clicking heads

But if you're headhunting you might as well just use the 1a or the k12

[tall torrent]

True

[shell ginkgo]

Also. I dunno who it was who asked yesterday but I brought the MGIV into Damnation

Felt okay

[tall torrent]

But I’m just not a huge fan of deadshot
Much prefer a reliable way to enable crits on the gun itself

[junior needle]

With ghost and at least 1 +3 stam curio it's quite reliable

[tall torrent]

Deadshot needs either duck & dive or tag keystone stam/toughness modifier to maintain and

[nimble sentinel]

I've been smashing aurics with mine and only fail when my teammates are fighting over whose turn it is with the brain cell

[junior needle]

I also put 5% crit on my perks

[tall torrent]

In vet’s current skill tree that’s really point heavy

[junior needle]

If you're going onslaught then dnd is already on the way. I just didn't bother with keystones on my lazyman build

[delicate moat]

please give me some teammates with 2 brain cells

[tall torrent]

We should just get 5 extra skill points if the current tree is not to be changed

[untold mulch]

Emperor gives his toughest battles to his strongest Guardsmen

please emprah I beg for a single break

[nimble sentinel]

I am the God Emperors most skilled issue

[delicate moat]

this is the 3rd AM i joined in progress

none of them ended well

[untold mulch]

Now if Emprah gave me a Hellgun?

Gib me harder battles

[shell ginkgo]

Shocktrooper + MGIV is delicious. Ammo is great.

And confirms shocktrooper doesn't have a cooldown.

[untold mulch]

i may go back to IV

Laspistol is good but is kinda awkward

[untold mulch]

So its a piece of code that fucks with Recon only

[shell ginkgo]

FullAuto or bust with it, though

[untold mulch]

💀

[junior needle]

Yes, likely crit strings. They are the only lasgun with them.

[untold mulch]

Yeah I have it

[shell ginkgo]

Like I said, it probably only gives back the shot at the start of a crit string

[thick kestrel]

yeah the laspistol feels closest to the mk7 headhunter oddly enough, very headshot specific

[shell ginkgo]

Rather than every shot like it used to

[junior needle]

It does exactly this. Only the first crit.

[untold mulch]

Cringe af 🗿

[thick kestrel]

not in a bad way, if you can disipline yourself to zap heads it's delightfully fun

[untold mulch]

Fatshark fears the bullpup

[delicate moat]

huh i need to roll a mg iv

[untold mulch]

Accatran cant take a break

[delicate moat]

do u run it with infernus?

[shell ginkgo]

I do headhunter + deadly accurate in mine atm

[balmy flume]

I am loving the IAG this patch

[junior needle]

If you aren't using onslaught, do not use infernus on infantry las

[balmy flume]

Feels like the appropriate response to the current AI director.

[tall torrent]

If we ever get tempestus scion gear, we’ll prob have another 3 Lucius pattern lasguns

[untold mulch]

[shell ginkgo]

We already have lucius lasguns

[tall torrent]

Cadian kasrkin use Lucius pattern hot-shot lasguns

[untold mulch]

Idk the name, but the design is a square and full auto

[tall torrent]

And they’re like, prob the most famous tempestus scion unit

[untold mulch]

Its lucius? Its this the writers being stupid again

[junior needle]

Aren't kasrkins not part of the tempestus scions?

[untold mulch]

No

[tall torrent]

Kasrkin are mentioned in the tempestus scion page in wiki

[untold mulch]

Tempestus Scions are like commisars, kinda separate of chain of command

[junior needle]

Which wiki

[tall torrent]

40k wiki

[shell ginkgo]

Use lexicanum

[untold mulch]

Kasrkin and Scions do same role somewhat

But use different chain of command

[shell ginkgo]

Kasrkin are equivalents to scions but their own thing

Like Krieg grenadiers and Steel Legion stormtroopers

[junior needle]

Don't trust that one, a lot of it is unregulated and uncited. Lexicanum is much more reliable.

[shell ginkgo]

They're the regimental badasses

[untold mulch]

Catachan have their own

[shell ginkgo]

Ya, devil dogs iirc

[untold mulch]

Which are even mor roided up

[tall torrent]

Ah ok thx

[shell ginkgo]

Lots of the bigger regiments have their own badass troops

[untold mulch]

I mentally categorize them all as Stormtrooper

[hardy ember]

We going to get hellguns like kasakrin and tempestus?

[shell ginkgo]

Kasrkin, Stormtroopers, grenadiers, etc

[untold mulch]

We may, Catfish joked about it a week ago or so

"joked"

Smth smth as a treat

[hardy ember]

I hope so. We need some actual heavy firepower and suppression

[untold mulch]

Mhmm

[shell ginkgo]

Ogryns

[untold mulch]

As long as a version is Full auto

I am happy

[shell ginkgo]

Single shot hotshots

[signal mango]

Can Revolvers shoot through teammates? (like bolters/plasmas)

[untold mulch]

Multilas

[shell ginkgo]

[untold mulch]

I legit die

[shell ginkgo]

Yes

[nimble sentinel]

yarp

[junior needle]

Where's that at?

[tall torrent]

Lexicanum doesn’t mention the pattern of lasguns used by scions

Wiki mentions Lucius and Ryza patterns of hot-shot lasguns being used

[untold mulch]

#general-chat message

[scenic bronze]

When 30 poxwalkers backspawn 1 meter away >.>

[untold mulch]

I hope is a real tease considering she was allowed to talk about it

I think Ryza is either karskin or Scion

Lucius only makes sense to be the grenadier one

[south prairie]

Ive tried out the new melee vet

No keystone, and somehow feels more meth than pre patch

[untold mulch]

Melee vet was the winner

Which imo is funny af

I really am using Vet to play as melee

Sure

[nimble sentinel]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

Although, given the context of darktide, the scions we’d see are much more likely to be inquisitorial storm troopers

[south prairie]

It is also extra fun with knife

[tall torrent]

Or even throne agents

[untold mulch]

Tbf our vets could be one already

I cope for a Stormtrooper or a Gunner tree

[tall torrent]

Melk also mentions in the new map that “his aurics would have completed the mission much faster”

[shell ginkgo]

Stormtrooper is a bit of a jump

We just got recruited into the Warband.

[untold mulch]

Because stealth or smth

In mine he complained about the amount of attention.

We are hitting HARD

[untold mulch]

Our Vet for skills is superior to them BY A MILE

We are hitting way above we should

[shell ginkgo]

That's because it's a Tide game.

[untold mulch]

Doesnt matter, last missiok already placed enemy dialogue as we canonically killing squads so fast They dont even report on time

[shell ginkgo]

But a true kasrkin/stormtrooper should be above us

[untold mulch]

Lore can justify it

[slow spade]

My Vet is a tempustus scion c:

[untold mulch]

Also one of the bsckgrounds is being from the school

Which I picked

Last mission dialogue squashed the idea we are average

[foggy terrace]

Moebian 6th should be on the same level as the vet, or a bit below xd

yeah there is a bit of discrepancy there lmao

[tall torrent]

Ryza pattern is more likely since it’s the hot-shot volley gun used by scions

[foggy terrace]

I mean

Lvl 1 rejects

vs damnation scabs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[south prairie]

We canonically bring the combat weight of at least a platoon

[foggy terrace]

taking down beasts of nurgle ffs

[untold mulch]

We are a wrecking ball

[foggy terrace]

[fleet drift]

I would argue that by feat of skill alone our vet could take on Spacemarine and win

[untold mulch]

Enemies talk like is a. Entire regiment

[slow spade]

Auric-level agent where's my auric ammo

I even did the supply train mission

[foggy terrace]

we haven't been in the warband long enough apparently

[umbral scaffold]

Space marine would toss us lmaoo

[slow spade]

Brb stealing it

[safe quiver]

any revolver/ power sword builds ?

[foggy terrace]

plasma gun go brrr

[south prairie]

Lore, definitely. Game, maybe not

[shell ginkgo]

Ryza is used by scions, the Lucius name seems to come from a gun name change in the tabletop games.

[foggy terrace]

like yeah lore ofc

but game?

[umbral scaffold]

Even in game a real space marine would hammer us

[foggy terrace]

Lucius pattern is krieg stuff no?

[shell ginkgo]

Nah, a lone space marine against a reject squad?

[shell ginkgo]

Not always

[slow spade]

I can take on a Deathshroud

[fleet drift]

Plague Ogryn could easily tear spacemarine limb from limb in lore and our Zealot can easily oneshot it

[shell ginkgo]

Four Ogryn would body a space marine

Both lore and in game

[fleet drift]

I would say our chance against space marine aren’t that bad at this point

[pale lotus]

all it takes is one infiltrate vet with a plasma gun to blow a space marine's head off

[untold mulch]

For some reason or another, our Vet is just plain better

[south prairie]

Fourgryn

[foggy terrace]

mainly

[shell ginkgo]

A bone'ead Ogryn bodied multiple marines

[shell ginkgo]

That lasgun, yes

[untold mulch]

Definitely

[tall torrent]

1 vet can solo a plague Ogryn with a devil’s claw sword in this game

[foggy terrace]

not all lucius patterns

fair enough

[shell ginkgo]

Talking about the Lucius hot shot.

[tall torrent]

Tell the avg space marine to solo a plague Ogryn

[foggy terrace]

ah

[shell ginkgo]

Also known as the old hellgun

The good one

The rapid fire one from Dawn of War

[slow spade]

Space marine with a volkite charger Uwu

[sharp ember]

space marines when they accidentally step in some mud and get stuck and drown

[slow spade]

Boltgun my beloved

[south prairie]

I think cutthroat vet exe stance voiceline hints at kasrkin background too

[foggy terrace]

this one?

[fleet drift]

The thing our team is not equip to deal with would be terminator armor

[shell ginkgo]

Different one.

[foggy terrace]

old old

[slow spade]

Plasma and krak 💪💪💪💪

[shell ginkgo]

The name came from the tabletop rpg games

[forest blaze]

Not without a gravgun!

[fleet drift]

Imagine they add a fucking Adamantine as another Armor type

[tiny summit]

Trying out infiltration with marksman stacks. Dunno how I'm feeling with it but I'm liking how I can reposition to get stacks

[untold mulch]

Oha Terminator I would say definitely would need to run or need an enviromental kill/damage

Though Ogryns supposedly can slap them too?

[slow spade]

Maybe for YOU, but I can take on a Deathshroud

[umbral scaffold]

Ok but isn't a space marine going to be significantly faster than anything we've fought? Also carrying a way bigger gun they can practically use like a pistol..

[fleet drift]

Plasma gun , Power Sword and Thunder Hammer might be able to do some damage

[untold mulch]

I need a hellgun, I am limited by tech

[glass pumice]

against Termis you would need a Tank, Lascannon or Melter

[umbral scaffold]

One .75 bolter round hits you it's game

[untold mulch]

Yeah, but a reasonable one?

[sharp ember]

just shoot more lasgun

[shell ginkgo]

A terminator would clap the squad. Give it an assault cannon and most players are fucked

[mystic belfry]

Use zealot relic to casually escort it off a ledge

[untold mulch]

Terminator imo needs external help or need a game plan

A SM we can

[fleet drift]

Just power fist and we will still get spank hard

[mystic belfry]

The emperor killed it for us

[south prairie]

Game wise, we the bogstandard humans could take a few plasma shots to the face and live

[umbral scaffold]

Also this, no emperor to protect us fighting his chosen sons.

[slow spade]

Yeah I'm built different

[pale lotus]

and several seconds of sustained autocannon fire

[untold mulch]

I wish to know toughness in lore what it is tbh

Like is grazing hits? It is ddirectly Emprah shield?

[glass pumice]

well maybe we all got a Forcefield Rosary

[mystic belfry]

I’m built different my relic still works

[shell ginkgo]

Indomitable human spirit.

[untold mulch]

Hard doubt

[umbral scaffold]

Cyberpunk head ass

[candid bridge]

Plague marines are pretty slow lore wise iirc

[untold mulch]

[fleet drift]

I want a mission where we clear a landing zone for Grey Knight to deal with Great unclean one and we need to hold off their reenforcement from interfering

[south prairie]

FAITH in the EMPEROR and CONTEMPT for HERESY

[umbral scaffold]

Plague Marines different, I think we could take one

[untold mulch]

[sharp acorn]

I feel like they could add maybe a few more talent points because vet class atm is a bit hmm interesting....

[untold mulch]

If Cain could go to melee with a BERSERKER

The question in lore now is if we have the weapons

[shell ginkgo]

Imagine a plague marine boss and people complaining it's a bullet sponge

[forest blaze]

Kek

[umbral scaffold]

Imagine they only come in waves of 4

[fleet drift]

Plague marine is the one getting the most stupid kill I see in lore outside of their codex

[umbral scaffold]

Like a fireteam of plague Marines.

[untold mulch]

I see any Marine boss with a legion of SMfanboys complaining 💀

[tall torrent]

The terminator in question getting stun locked by a shovel-wielding vet spamming specials (or an Ogryn slapping him around)

[fleet drift]

Like guardmen straight up deal with them with just some planning

[mystic belfry]

Toughness in lore is our plot armor, we have an author wanking the fuck out of us

[shell ginkgo]

Waves of 3 since nurgle loves that number

[fleet drift]

And with help from Auto cannon

[umbral scaffold]

Fair nuff

[forest blaze]

The boss is just a terminator teleporting in.

[sharp ember]

teleport homer jumpscare

[candid bridge]

A terminator would royally fuck our shit up lol

[sharp ember]

with the AI director these days it feels like some specials have teleport homers

[kind scarab]

I am the boss, and I lead a troupe of 40 trappers to bum rush y'all all at once from different directions

[umbral scaffold]

Just dodge

[forest blaze]

Related note. I feel like trappers had their audio cue lowered and their range increased

[untold mulch]

Dodgeslide

[mystic belfry]

The two boss so when they decide fuck this planet and we get orbitally bombarded in the final mission fat shark puts out for this game

[shell ginkgo]

Each trapper is backed up by a grenadier

[kind scarab]

It does feel like that, I swear

[pale lotus]

A mission type I thought would be interesting is a Blightlord teleporting in and being an invincible "oh fuck run away" hazard that teleports out after a minute or so

[kind scarab]

That's why I'm bringing in 40. Y'all will run out of dodges.

[umbral scaffold]

Nah just keep dodgin

[south prairie]

If we take game as lore then Rannick, Morrow, and all the senior officers would be collectively spitting water from hearing the enemies says the 4 freshly inducted goons are wrecking so much shit they think they sent a whole platoon

[untold mulch]

But anyways, Vermintide had some lore to explain the 5 being so good

Is either a matter of time or will be implied we kinda are the same case

[fleet drift]

Just send in an endless wave of mutant at that point

[shell ginkgo]

That'd conflict with the power fantasy and people wouldn't like that

[untold mulch]

4 crackheads

And a dream

[kind scarab]

Anyone who gets caught by a trapper, ends up having to sit through a manditory briefing by yours truly, on why you should optimise your talent tree.

Truly devious.

[shell ginkgo]

[untold mulch]

AHHHHHHHHH

[forest blaze]

Poxburster Conga with the trapper/Flamer/mutie cluster fuck. Gets the blueberries every time.

[umbral scaffold]

Power fantasy? We're lowly humans in 40k this ain't outriders who's having power fantasies??? 😭

[south prairie]

I mean, truth be told i wasnt expecting darktide to be a horde shooter either

[mystic belfry]

We are the space marines at home while they’re waiting to get actual space marines sent it

[kind scarab]

Sounds like my 4 vet game yesterday. Each one was using a different capstone. With fire team being the one that got repeated.

[untold mulch]

The gameplay is powrfantasy

And new dialogue ADDS to that

[south prairie]

When i first heard about it i thoight it was gonne be a bit tactical y

[shell ginkgo]

Can't wait to transfer my Boltgun character into darktide

[fleet drift]

I really love modifier where they just spam Crasher and Mauler with no ammo drop

Very very FUN

[untold mulch]

Moebians talk like an entire regiment is pushing through

[umbral scaffold]

When I heard about it all I thought was L4D 40k 😮

[forest blaze]

Yah. I call it Sadness since I play plasma.

[shell ginkgo]

Yall wanna see cracked? Watch this. Kills a mauler by landing on it

[fleet drift]

I play Plasma this patch as well

[forest blaze]

What is this. Necromunda??

[untold mulch]

Our 4 dudes are pushing enemy forces like a wrecking ball

[shell ginkgo]

Boltgun

[fleet drift]

Feel like I see a lot of vet using Plasma now

[umbral scaffold]

Nah just 2 Bon'ead Ogryns a vet and a cracked out psyker

[pale lotus]

Ive heard plasma is great but I cant stop playing laspistol

[forest maple]

Might be our best gun yet

[shell ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/boltgun-gif-18072994396535974531

[forest maple]

together with columnus iag

[pale lotus]

i dunno why i like it so much

[untold mulch]

Funny that Ogryns Arent boneheads

[shell ginkgo]

Me tbh

[umbral scaffold]

Yes they are

[shell ginkgo]

One is

[mystic belfry]

Plasma works well with middle and right keystones

[drifting oak]

did they turn up the elite spawns on scroll retireval mission

[untold mulch]

Only Brawler has bonehead and is broken

[untold mulch]

Is broken

[drifting oak]

because literally every single pod came with maulers+crushers or mass ragers or shotgunners

[shell ginkgo]

It works sometimes

Just has side effects

[untold mulch]

Brawler implant is moslty broken

[umbral scaffold]

They all have them or they wouldn't be able to talk the way they do

[forest blaze]

Lmao

[south prairie]

I mean, technically the most ludicrous case could be 4 guardsmen turned knife wielding murderers

[untold mulch]

They dint have it

Our Ogryns are CRAZY smart

Naturally

[shell ginkgo]

They're not all bone heads. One ogryn voice wants one and the other thinks he's smart enough

[untold mulch]

And Bully one cooks him ocasionally

[drifting oak]

yeah it's kind of accepted by the community that Darktide ogyrns are noticeably smarter than the older established canon of "like a three year old"

darktide ogryns are more forrest gump than "literal child"

[mystic belfry]

Think about the lore on a true solo vet with nothing but a combat knife and a stun revolver on auric

[untold mulch]

New lore placed Ogryn as getting smarter anyways

[sharp ember]

only brawler? says he has one, there's secret dialogue between vets and ogryns about how they may be "alpha type" ogryns which is why they're so smart

[shell ginkgo]

Bully doesn't have one

[south prairie]

I think Bodyguard wants an implant, Bully doesnt want one, and Brawler has a bad one thats cooking his brain

[forest blaze]

There’s a Tropic Thunder saying for this

[shell ginkgo]

Bully is the one who thinks he's smart enough with

[untold mulch]

BRAWLER, my bad, I am on a plane rn

Bully is very smart

[south prairie]

Backpack full of crack and a will of fire

[untold mulch]

Cunningly devious

[kind scarab]

You're on a plane, heading to a heretic depot to kick some ass

Right?

Right?

[untold mulch]

I wish,

[kind scarab]

[mystic belfry]

Also the lore of whatever the fuck zealots relic is and why he has it

[untold mulch]

So anyways

We canonically are the shit

[shell ginkgo]

Ya, GW is moving it towards Ogryn just being uneducated and slow

[kind scarab]

He's so inbued with zealotry that he flashes the enemies a picture of his emperor fanart, and all the enemies recoil away in disgust and fear

[shell ginkgo]

Rather than oafs who can't count to three

[kind scarab]

[south prairie]

Isnt it an inquisition rosarius?

[untold mulch]

The symbol is just for the Zealot to have a symbol of their faith

[mystic belfry]

Man has an actual hotline tot the emperor

[nimble sentinel]

I still want someone to make a mod replacing it with a bar of soap

[kind scarab]

Their faith is firmly placed in the emperors beefy (previously) arms

[untold mulch]

And the amount of worrying art they have of the Emprah

[untold mulch]

Seer has

Seer is shitposting with Emprah

Love it

[candid bridge]

It’s actually just a constant pulse of “no u”

[south prairie]

I mean, a random psyker has a legit (questionable) shard of the emperor himself in them

[untold mulch]

It 99% is a shard of E

1% for the writer to do a funny and do a wow so grimdark

[mystic belfry]

Which psyker

[kind scarab]

I want it replaced with that scroll the Crusader uses from Darkest Dungeon. And if a player were to look at it, the scroll reads "Touch Grass" or "Heretics smell" or "Begone'd Thot"

[untold mulch]

Seer

My beloved

[mystic belfry]

Neat

[forest blaze]

Be me. Pick enforcer psyker. Want to scrub the psyker because his voicelines are ass.

[untold mulch]

But overall it looks like he has contact with an "infantile" shard of E

Because some quotes are almost shitposting

[south prairie]

Or at least a very chill and caring one

[kind scarab]

Just my zealot whipping out his Relic like

Gotta admit, that'd be pretty sick

[untold mulch]

Well logging off for an hour

[kind scarab]

"READ MOTHERFUCKER READ"

[forest blaze]

CITE THE HOLY LITANIES

[south prairie]

Enforcer psyker and professional vet are damnedly vanilla

[forest blaze]

It hurts so much. The only interaction I like is the enforcer with one of the ogryns because they go on for like 2 straight minutes and the ogryn is just not following

[pale lotus]

Loner psyker my beloved

the smuggest of assholes

[forest blaze]

Loose Cannon Veteran taking a shit on everyone at every moment is my favorite.

[south prairie]

MY INCOMPARABLE MIND

[true echo]

best decision in the game

[kind scarab]

I wish I could check what voice my Vet has, without actually having to listen to the voice lines and check with someone

[south prairie]

I think my fav is the enforcer considering being a positive role model for loose cannon vet

[forest blaze]

Got a voice line I hadn't heard the other day.
All 3 of my teammates went down and I had to pick them up multiple times. We get to an elevator and the Vet says:
"I don't trust any one of you"

and I about lost it

[kind scarab]

I know for a fact, he's Cadian, and bitches a lot

[kind scarab]

I want to be able to manually use that voiceline

[umbral scaffold]

He's all cracked up now

[mystic belfry]

Professional vet just feels right

[kind scarab]

Maybe I should make a mod for that, if possible

[forest blaze]

for real.

[kind scarab]

[forest blaze]

Old L4D2 had a way for you to pull direct voicelines and bind them to keys. We need that in DT

[willow badger]

[south prairie]

You could differentiate em by their voices lmao. I think loose cannon is Irish, and cutthroat is just seething with venom and always going off about Cadia

[willow badger]

There's def a for the emperor mod

[kind scarab]

I think mine is cutthroat then

[south prairie]

Full vox mod when

[mystic belfry]

Play clips over VoIP

[forest blaze]

Give

[forest blaze]

That's very 2006 of you, sir

[kind scarab]

Voip don't work for me, nor ingame text

[willow badger]

For real?

[mystic belfry]

Skill issue

[willow badger]

Why

[kind scarab]

Because the backend FS uses ain't P2P

[pale lotus]

needs to be a dedicated "for the emperor" button but if you press it for Loner they just say "Im not gonna say that"

[kind scarab]

Cause they're dinguses

[willow badger]

Ic

[forest blaze]

💀

[kind scarab]

Why "fix" what ain't broken

Should have just used the same system from V2

[south prairie]

And use the laughter voicelines for seer

[forest blaze]

I just want to be able to change my character presets without remaking a character.

[slow spade]

Loner needs more funny laughs c:

[mystic belfry]

Nah he says it but it’s drawn and and sounds like a teenager

[pale lotus]

"I am death! Bwahaha!" is my favorite line

[maiden orbit]

good buy ? if yes what to change, i guess wrath goes to slaughterer and one perk goes away ?

[ruby fulcrum]

Worth it just for pc t4

[forest blaze]

Buy it for PC4 100%

[maiden orbit]

now how do i optimize it

[kind scarab]

That's the neat part. You don't.

[ruby fulcrum]

Brutal momentum, specialists to flak or maniac imo.

[kind scarab]

The perks are perfectly fine as is tbh. Since you'll be oneshotting things with a charged attack to the head anyway.

[maiden orbit]

brutal momentum over slaughterer ?

[forest blaze]

aye

For more choppy choppy

or slicy slicy

[kind scarab]

Brutal gives you 4 targets worth of full damage on cleave (assuming headshots) per swing

[maiden orbit]

and perks are fine i assume
maybe maniacs over specialists or not even ?

[kind scarab]

Nah

Why waste plasteel when you're probably not gonna be aiming to oneshot push-shove attack every mutant you run into anyway

Just sidestep like a normal person

[forest blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-DYkpCMvGg

[kind scarab]

Or shoot him before he gets there

[maiden orbit]

[forest blaze]

Here it is. My favorite vet v vet interaction

[kind scarab]

Imagine wasting plasteel to set that up, when in a horde situation with too many of those anyone with half a brain is gonna just sidestep to avoid potentially getting grabbed

Risk getting grabby for funny push shove, or sidestep and smack their ass?

Truly a question for the ages

[forest blaze]

push shove for style

sidestep push shove for extra style

[kind scarab]

90% of the vets I play with need to forget about style when they can barely aim to begin with

[forest blaze]

This reminds me. I tried playing executioners the other day and remembered why it's awful with QP blueberries.

[kind scarab]

Ex Stance is great with QP bozos. I find it suffers with actually good players.

Cause they steal all the kills and you can't upkeep that shit

[kind edge]

hello veteran players, i want to use my xii and have been seeing that this is a common build for those using it

https://i.imgur.com/fellhWp.jpeg

is this true, do people not pick up the keystones

[floral sun]

what is a good horde clear weapon with vet and what are some good blessings for them?

[valid apex]

Man I seriously hope FS doesn’t listen to the Reddit.

[kind scarab]

Not a terrible setup, but unnecessary

[valid apex]

Holy smokes

[forest blaze]

idk I found it super lacking on the carnival with endless hordes

[kind edge]

what makes it unnecessary if i may ask

[velvet wraith]

ppl casually getting pc iv like free candy asking if its a good buy

[kind scarab]

x12 has great headshot potential, and with crit fishing you don't need quite a few of the nodes you have on there

[velvet wraith]

meanwhile melk is bending me over day in day out

[kind scarab]

You esp don't need the Iron node if you're playing optimally, since you should be regening toughness frequently

[kind edge]

i see

[kind scarab]

What's the rest of your tree look like right now?

[kind edge]

jesus i should get the mod that zooms the tree out

one sec

[kind scarab]

Take your time, no rush

Show us your x12 as well

[floral sun]

anyone?

[valid apex]

The build website is better for that. Don’t need a mod

[kind scarab]

And what difficulty you like playing at

[kind edge]

yeah im doin the website

i play hi5 aurics

[kind scarab]

Power Sword 3/6 Run Power Cycler 2 + Brutal Momentum/Rampage/Slaughterer

[kind scarab]

How'd you describe your most comfortable playstyle?

[woeful steeple]

what is the current meta autogun?

[topaz lance]

Columnus IAG

[kind scarab]

Infantry. Columnus.

[kind edge]

psyker

lmfao

[woeful steeple]

tyvm, what do I slap on it?

[kind scarab]

Replace firefrenzy with Dumdum

[woeful steeple]

I feel like gambling

[kind edge]

comparison my psyker is +160 and my vet is like +47

https://i.imgur.com/Phshk49.png

https://i.imgur.com/oWDj4Zy.png

[kind scarab]

Good choices most of the way.

[kind edge]

i usually run plasma but i havent touched the xii in like

almost a year

[kind scarab]

You need to replace Opening Salvo

[kind edge]

lets see what i got to replace with

[kind scarab]

Optimally. You want Deadly Accurate.

That alone makes the gun significantly better.

We're talking, Power Cycler on a powersword levels of better.

[kind edge]

oh

i do have uh

deadly accurate 4

[kind scarab]

There ya go

[kind edge]

well that was easy

[kind scarab]

Second question. How often do you weapon swap? Are you an ADHD QQ spamming twitch head. Do you like going slow and steady with your guns? Do you run around like a maniac potshotting headshots with flicks like it's going out of style?

[woeful steeple]

this was incredibly quick, only took 3 tries lol

ty again

[kind edge]

good question, with my psyker im a qq adhd wacko, with vet im usually between steady and trying to reposition to get kills

the columnus is some of the most fun ive had on vet

[serene bough]

you taking this screenshot before the gun's image could load irritates me

[whole moon]

columnus is the most fun Ive had w an automatic weapon since they nerfed the shredder

[kind edge]

https://i.imgur.com/rFL4vHa.png

[kind scarab]

Sorry, I gotta be fast

[kind scarab]

In that case lemme rework your tree a bit to get rid of dead nodes that aren't useful

and switching your grenade to one that actually does a job your build is lacking

[kind edge]

sure id love to see what ya got

[kind edge]

wow this chat is different from the pain of the psyker chat

the suffering we go through

[whole moon]

beloved

[kind scarab]

That should cover you, and I left in some of the nodes I feel you take out of comfort and cause they're good choices.

The dead nodes that don't actually function well on that build have been removed.

[median mirage]

Thoughts on the best blessings for the Catachan Sword on Vet?

[kind scarab]

Like this node

[vast wyvern]

this is my xii build if you want to try it out. the 3 points in the right tree can really be moved where you prefer tho

[kind scarab]

It's 100% garbage and don't work in anything above malice

[kind edge]

ill be tryin these

[frosty lark]

is the drum mag a skin

[whole moon]

Weapon Customisation Mod

[frosty lark]

oh shit

which one

[woeful steeple]

holy hell the vet tree is expensive

[wanton dawn]

Alright, I have a few build variant I wanna test

[obsidian umbra]

what weapon do yall recommend for horde clear on vet?

[kind scarab]

Whatcha doing

[woeful steeple]

have 3 leftover points after grabbing the stuff I feel I need

[grim walrus]

Who would like this helmet?

[whole moon]

my goto person for all things DClaw left the server but I think this was almost identical to what he advised

[kind edge]

i hear vets are not happy with the amount of points they get for the amount of nodes they have

[median mirage]

Awesome thanks - I was thinking Rampage + Wrath/Savage Sweet is good.

[kind scarab]

We got like almost 100 nodes, and it takes us 21 points to reach our capstones

[woeful steeple]

Krak-ammo aura-shout-ping keystone

[obsidian umbra]

vets tree has 100 nodes vs other classes that have 80

[kind scarab]

All our shit is spread out too thin

[whole moon]

https://discord.gg/rKYWtaDx4D The current Weapon Customisation Mod and the Extended Weapon Customisation Mod plugin, both available in here

[wanton dawn]

I am calling this one: less-switchy melee vet

[median mirage]

I like Wrath often because it helps build stacks when you just have 1-2 mobs in range

[kind scarab]

I see you're going for the free reload path, with heavy crits

So I'm inclined to believe you ain't running PS on that

[candid bridge]

This is try hard chat. We’re here for one thing only and that’s killing heretics

[kind scarab]

Cause the activation window will cut down on your attack rate

[wanton dawn]

[empty heron]

Very much possible!

[kind edge]

my siblings and i exist to suffer

[rain badger]

Beat Auric level hi int shock troop gauntlet
got a blue shovel 402 PS

[kind edge]

https://i.imgur.com/ossfNMX.png also what would someone change about this

[kind scarab]

You can oneshot crushers and everything else with capstone

[eternal sable]

exe stance?

[empty heron]

Didn't need it

[kind scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1174446424528793791/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.15_-_22.28.23.15.mp4

[whole moon]

10% melee damage to Flakiac, tossup to change Rampage to Brutal Momentum too

[rain badger]

Rampage to slaughterer and block efficiency to something else

[eternal sable]

thats with exe stance doc

[kind scarab]

I use ex stance, cause i like to see my enemies through walls

[empty heron]

But I had 10 stacks of marksman though

[eternal sable]

yeah thats what i kinda mean brobro

exe stance ill never touch over shout

[kind edge]

unfortunately i cannot change both the blessing and perk since i already swapped out whatever perk i used to have for power cycler 4

[eternal sable]

and getting 10 stacks before 1 shotting with or without exe is weird

[tiny summit]

If you see keystones as a requirement, you may doompost about the # of talent points. If you view them as additional choices for specialization to builds you had prior to the keystone update I think it's fine. .

[eternal sable]

youre not going to have 10 stacks when you run into a crusher patrol right

[kind scarab]

If you're using revolver, you're waiting on Surgical for a bit anyway. Grab Camo on the left capstone and it'll give you most of the stacks you need anyway.

[woeful steeple]

I just realized my Vet curios are all blue 🙃

[eternal sable]

yeah thats weird

[woeful steeple]

What's the consensus, 2 HP and 1 toughness?

[eternal sable]

requires a lot of setup to get your damage

[kind scarab]

Really not a lot of setup

You just sit and aim

That's it

And then kill the whole pack of crushers.

[eternal sable]

standing still in malestrome ..

you play how you like

[kind scarab]

You only sit still for the first shot

[shell ginkgo]

Too bad some nodes were nerfed under the assumption you'll use nodes

[eternal sable]

idc im still never using exe stance over shout

[kind scarab]

After the first is dead, you can just keep dodging since you have a window the size of Ex stance to keep moving

[eternal sable]

the utility and team carry ability it gives is just too good

[kind scarab]

That's fine if you need shout as a crutch to keep yourself and everyone else alive

[eternal sable]

lol

[kind scarab]

I prefer ex stance cause it lets me kill everything before anyone sees it, effectively negating the need for health

Whatever you can make work, use

ezpz

[eternal sable]

exe stance > shout

confirmed by doc

[shell ginkgo]

Shout is the leash that let's me keep my team alive.

[whole moon]

I prefer exe to shout but I think its gonna end up like Psyker staffs, personal preference and whatever works for you

[eternal sable]

shout is by far the best

every class could agree lol

if you wanna be cute and go exe stance go ahead

[valid apex]

I like how executioner stance feels but shout just seems better

[kind scarab]

Shout is just easier, cause it covers bad players asses from their mistakes

[eternal sable]

if you want to queue solo and complete missions

go shout

[kind scarab]

Ex stance is just for people who can kill problems before they cause problems

[tiny summit]

Probably upset far more people removing it vs satisfying the small amount who despise it. I know of several people who just hate anything removed out of principle. Probably would just quit

[kind scarab]

It's really that simple

[whole moon]

well, its not like Ive heard an argument to change never mind a good one

[eternal sable]

if you want to grief your team and try and out damage a kickback go exe

[valid apex]

I find when you play with remotely competent people stance falls off though.

[wanton dawn]

Well, i forgot that I cannot play cuz I hurt my left index ☝️

[finite imp]

Why not just make the others better??

[kind scarab]

100% stance works much better with people that need carrying. Just like shout is useless with competant people who don't get hit anyway.

[valid apex]

I’ll be shocked if they remove survivalist.

[finite imp]

i just realized my CIAGs damage and stability were it's dump stats

so the problem really was the gun

[tiny summit]

If you're feeling the weight of those node nerfs, I have to simply say skill issue

[kind scarab]

Honestly, if you're playing with a perfect team, I'd argue the only useful one is the invis ability, cause it means you can fuck off and do objectives while they have fun whiping the floor with all the enemies.

[south spindle]

Oh well, game balance comes first, thats just the reality of the situation

[wanton dawn]

Stance is still a high stagger with lowest cd for node on ability use

[kind scarab]

You mean Shout

[valid apex]

Shout let’s you play a little more aggro. But yea I get you.

Hey while you’re here…are you right tree for your revolver?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, but I'll leave it as stance to confuse ppl

[kind scarab]

Nah, left tree

[umbral scaffold]

Fuck is this frame? Globadier had it.

[candid bridge]

Just make survivalist aura give reload speed for teammates but keeping the ammo regen for your character only.

[valid apex]

Interesting.

[urban adder]

a perfect team will use shout quite well, taking advantage of the extra toughness to push shooter teams etc. you can't dodge all damage all the time

[kind scarab]

Right tree is great for revolver if you never want to reload your gun though

[valid apex]

100%

[tiny summit]

Game balance for people's expectations of a product they bought goes out the window for a number of people if things they like can just be deleted

[kind scarab]

Shooters don't matter as long as your toughness doesn't break

They effectively don't exist

[whole moon]

Twitch limited event frame

[valid apex]

Yea I’ve been playing with middle and right keystones for plasma.

The right is honestly perfect. You never have to reload the plasma. Which is the only bad part of using it.

[umbral scaffold]

Oh, bleugh

[kind scarab]

100%, any single hit, heavy hitting ranged weapon with high finesse (crits) pairs perfectly with right capstone

I just don't particularly enjoy using it myself

[valid apex]

The middle tree is also really funny with revolver.

Turns it into a boss melter

I guess any of them do tbh. Lol

[kind scarab]

Mid tree will turn any weapon into a boss melter. It's like at minimum 32% more damage, if you only ever tagged the boss

(assuming you grabbed the lower mid subnode, which you should)

[south spindle]

Not at all, people would cry an bitch about it for a week, then they'd adjust to the new stuff. Its not like it couldnt be replaced with something that keeps Vets ammo efficiency without breaking other classes/weapons/modifers tho

[waxen lark]

I am not waiting to mark something once every 16 seconds 💢

[south spindle]

The issue with it isnt how it effects Vet anyway, its how it effects everyone else

[waxen lark]

5 stacks are plenty

[kind scarab]

By the time you need to mark something as important as a boss. You'll already have it up and waiting for you.

Not to mention, if you're one of the ones that likes to spam tag on everything.

You can use the bottom right subnode to give you a baseline of 12% already, which will be on all the time as long as you're tagging stuff.

[tiny summit]

I just question for a PvE game on damnation runs without even the aura, the runs can go smoothly is it really necessary to satisfy the few playtesters vs the wider playerbase?

[waxen lark]

With how often I mark things I'll never make use of the extra three stacks, and Vet is already so strapped for points that I'd rather use that point for grenade regen or field improvisation

[south spindle]

The playtesters have a better idea of balance than the community at large, might be a hard pill to swallow, but these people likely know a lot more about the game than your average player, regardless of if the average player likes to agree with it or not

[fast scaffold]

I wonder if they just got rid of ammo Regen and gave baseline vet 50% additional ammo (like in the beta) and survivalist made it so you got 10% more ammo from ammo tins.

[candid bridge]

Just make survivalist aura give reload speed for teammates but keeping the ammo regen for your character only.

[tiny summit]

Ideas of balance can conflict with people having their fun. If your balance vision turns those already having fun away, well I hope the game gets new people

[candid bridge]

Or buff the fuck out of the other auras

[south spindle]

The route i would go personally if i had a say in the matter would be have an aura that gives Vet 10% equivilent ammo of whatever ammo tins another player picks up in coherency. It both keeps Vet's ammo economy good, enforces sticking together as a group and doesnt break other classes

[waxen lark]

If survivalist's ammo regen is removed then I'm quitting the game

[slow spade]

I think they should buff survivalist aura

1% -> 10%

[waxen lark]

King

[fast scaffold]

I don't think ammo Regen is healthy for the game when the hardest content is just spamming specials and things that give ammo, you shouldn't get "free ammo" from dog waves

[slow spade]

Hire me Fatshark I'll put a zero behind all your values

[south spindle]

If you need survivalist to "have fun" then thats asinine at best, and if you're turned away by a change to a skill tree, you evidently dont find the game fun unless it explicitly caters to how you want to play, regardless of how it effects others.

[slow spade]

Me gutting dogs to find barely charged plasma coolant cells UwU

[frank ether]

whatever vision they have for sharpshooter it doesnt really work

[slow spade]

I mean unless the vision is "fuck sharpshooter" then its going pretty well

[frank ether]

half of the left tree is broken and the other half are buffs under incredibly specific circumstances

their vision is indeed ''fuck sharpshooter'' and ''turn game into VT2''

[south spindle]

I very much doubt this is the final iteration of the tree, its not like they're gonna be any less aware of the issues that are part of this tree

Thats just a stupid take to cater to your own cognitive dissonance.

[mystic belfry]

VT2 is a game to inspire to

[slow spade]

Imagine if Part 2 is just another Vet rework lol

[crisp bronze]

Umm I just got this from the emperor's gifts... do I keep this? Is this a good base? Never built a Bolter before.

[kind scarab]

Imma be real chief, you usually have good takes, but that's the hottest most aggressive one you've had so far. Games are meant to be fun, and the one thing you learn from game development is that 90% of the time, someones opinion clarifies an evident problem your game has, but their explained "solutions" are usually dogshiet.

[south spindle]

Sorry to be blunt, but yeah

[tiny summit]

I don't need it. You're in a game's discord talking about the game balance. We're the minority of the minority. I don't need survivalist to have fun. Other people? "They just changed stuff that I like, who's to say they change or remove the next thing I like down the line. I'm done."

[slow spade]

Looks good so far imo

[kind scarab]

TLDR: Survivalist is a bandaid solution for a real problem the game has, and that problem is very simply that weapons have had very little thought into balancing them well in terms of ammo economy

[tiny summit]

Ask how all the PvP games that shifted to esports player catering are doing

[untold mulch]

Oh god Esports did so much dsmage

[kind scarab]

We need survivalist removed as a whole, and the ammo economy properly balanced

[torn gorge]

did they change the spawns on ascension riser?

i swear at the first door i ate 4 poxbursters

[untold mulch]

AT THE SAME TIME

I see fatshark doing one or the other

[crisp bronze]

What should I change on it? I assume Infested damage is worthless at least.

[slow spade]

That's all I'd change until Orange upgrade

[low oar]

Every class gets innate survivalist at 0.5% per elite+

[south spindle]

This is really the root problem yes. Its a band-aid because further balancing needs to be done. They just increased ammo drops, so thats probably a test to see how it impacts the game. People might love Survivalist, but the fact of the matter is, its horrendous for balancing. Besides we have no confirmation that it is going to change yet, its just not unlikely thats an outcome we might have to face in the future, because its very obvious how it warps gameplay

[low oar]

Tbh, I pretty much demand a vet on my team when I'm on gun lugger and then get disappointed if they're running some dumb aura that isn't survivalist

[kind scarab]

Like, let me put it this way. Ammo economy in V2 was balanced around the fact any class could in effect generate it's own ammo with headshots/headshot kills or having bardin for example, drop small amounts of ammo for one person per special kill

So the only thing you had to worry about, was whether or not you were good enough to use your weapons.

[slow spade]

Need infinite ammo trollhammer torpedo build for Darktide pls

[untold mulch]

I have a build with survivaliat and one with damage (easier pathing) only because of that

[mortal seal]

Are shock-trooper talent for vet is still broken for Recon VId?

[low oar]

I recall one of the CMs asking for opinions on vet a while ago, and they told me they took my opinion of "just make survivalist innate to vet" seriously

[kind scarab]

Here, people shoot everything, willy nilly often, and then fight over ammo on the ground and fight for survivalist to be on the vet cause other people are also picking up all the ammo

[umbral scaffold]

i'd say darktide is a really good shooter with weapons that "feel" really good, it'd be a shame if shooting guns would become a small part of the game 'cause there's no ammo

[low oar]

-100% ammo generation for the other two auras

[fast scaffold]

I say this with no coding knowledge but from the changes Ive seen/issues from other stuff I feel like they can't support non-static drops in this game, I bet it has something to do with the fact that everything is server side and syncing that would be a nightmare

[low oar]

Dumb drawback for 5% more damage

[slow spade]

The ammo issue has also been strained a bit because a lot of psykers seem to be running Gunpsyker

[low oar]

wow

[waxen lark]

I like how it rewards teams that have at least two people who are conservative with their ammo so that the other two can be a little more free to spam. Playing without it entirely feels lame because this game does not have designated, infinite-use ammo boxes on the maps that resupply everyone like how Vermintide does. In Darktide there's ammo crate deployables which sometimes won't ever spawn, so you just have to be needlessly restrictive with your ranged ammo when playing without a survivalist aura in the group and that blows

[south spindle]

Ideally it would still be a massive part of the game, but the sad truth is at the moment the only reason to pull out your melee weapon is to kill trash, thats not really ideal given this is menna be a hybrid combat loop

[slow spade]

At least I can inspect them to see if they're running a gun

[tiny summit]

Not I. I barely pick it up. I save my ammo for important stuff

[low oar]

Zealot and ogryn are both really melee heavy. I mean this game is fairly balanced in terms of melee and ranged imo

Of course it's biased when it's a class with a hard focus on ranged

[terse idol]

Well I mean alot of it could be resolved by adding in the ammo boxes they have in V2,
Ammo shouldn't be so easy to come by that you can just shoot willy nilly

[kind scarab]

Realistically speaking, if they can sync you being able to get picked up dynamically from a trapper net, they can sync spawning an entity that resembles an ammo pouch you can also pick up to restore some ammo

[terse idol]

Yeah that shouldn't be a problem at all

[umbral scaffold]

i loved vt2 but i really don't want this game to turn into vt2

[low oar]

Yes

[terse idol]

It won't

[slow spade]

Nurgling with an ammo stash duct taped to it UwU

[terse idol]

Like it can't

[kind scarab]

The game already literally has "Saltzpyre at home" as it's capstones for vet

[frank ether]

So let me make a list, you mean to tell me on sharpshooter vet I have:

1. damage perk that punishes me for letting enemies get close (longshot)
2. damage perk that disables itself when enemies are in close range (killzone)
3. toughness regen that disables itself when enemies are in close range (catch a breath)
4. Frag grenades that currently can not even kill poxwalkers with a point blank explosion
5. Exhilarating takedown that increases damage taken by %30
6. Executioner stance that requires constant upkeep to function as a ranged only damage boost and a bandaid fix to visibility
7. Marksman Focus that also requires constant upkeep to function as a ranged weakspot only damage boost

So with all these things considered in mind, if the testers are saying I also have to go look for ammo all the time and rely on melee often, they can go fuck themselves.

[low oar]

I don't think VT2's ammo economy was healthy

[kind scarab]

Sienna's new class in Vermintide is literally just a Psyker with a different coat of paint

[terse idol]

If anything ammo was balanced in V2 around that nobody had alot of ammo

[south spindle]

There are a lot of alternative routes they could take which wouldnt have such a warping effect on the gameplay, its not necessarily a bad thing to lose Survivalist if the replacement mechanic works in such a way its mostly not noticeable for the class that most relies on having ammo regularly

[tall torrent]

Part of that is due to the toughness system being bad for melee

It’s almost impossible to walk off a mixed horde with ragers without taking some health chip dmg and nobody likes getting chipped down

[terse idol]

Max 30 arrows with some ammo generation if you build for it

[low oar]

Yeah that wasn't really an issue

[waxen lark]

If you MUST change survivalist, just make enemy ranged elites drop ammo pouches that anyone can pick up. They can be the equivalent to an ammo tin or slightly less

[topaz lance]

not for Darktide for sure

[kind scarab]

No one had a lot of ammo, and you had to be good to maintain your ammo. By landing headshots, or pulling off proper stunts.

[low oar]

And it forced the ammo Regen talent to be a must pick except in some select cases

[mystic belfry]

Not everyone

[low oar]

Darktide's ammo economy is a lot more healthy

[untold mulch]

Agreed

[terse idol]

Maybe headshots on elites could give you some ammo