veteran-class

[frank ether]

smokes arent great but they do give you the ability to gapclose to gunners

[crisp bronze]

Yeah I got blessed by big E on that one. But ultimately I think the lesson about this discussion is that we have a lot of variaty in terms of good melee weapons. It's really nice.

[wanton dawn]

Man don't tell me that I have 3x15% run efficiency

[frank ether]

the fun part about movement speed is

[sleek cairn]

come, join us on right tree. stay forever

[frank ether]

moving faster is running efficiency

when you think about it

you spend less time sprinting

[spark helm]

Learned the overhead one the hard way. I should've known better but I wanted to see.

Never again.

[sleek cairn]

oh and dont forget some ranged units can't even aim at u in time. You can outrange a lot of attacks

[empty creek]

stealth veterans on their way 2 help nobody, spam light attacks w/ their knife, make everything impossible 2 see & die 2 a dog

[frank ether]

the average vet main does not compute how good movement speed is

[sleek cairn]

If you just sprint, no sniper, flamer, whatever, can even hit u if u hold it down lol

[wanton dawn]

I am fine with both middle and right tree. I just think middle is safer

[sleek cairn]

shotgunners be missing

atleast with enough movespeed, i love it

[empty creek]

💔

[spark helm]

It was funny

[quick fossil]

Hmm i can't aim but i still want to play guns, i am guessing i just go bolter and go for those bodyshots ? What about talents ? middle one ? since left side is all about those headshots

[sleek cairn]

Plasma

Use plasma, u get headshots by aiming at the toes

[quick fossil]

Ohhh

[quasi dust]

plasma is king

[near shore]

Nice roll,I personally take cleave and dmg on it

[sleek cairn]

in fact, i think u'd find it harder to not headshot with plasma

[frank ether]

use plasma

also you can consider

braced autoguns

agripina being the best

[near shore]

Plasma? Nah,slug shotgun all day

[vague elm]

what about a different class?

I assume ogryn doesn't aim as much

[empty creek]

i got a single stagger blessing & decided 2 add another so hordes would be easier & it’s been pretty tight so far

[near shore]

Slug shotgun and devil claw w/ right side keystone

[quasi dust]

this is a solid build and the one ive had most luck with in auric damns

[empty creek]

i left the block on it but i don’t know if it helps w/ how much stamina each parry eats up

[near shore]

That's fair,hordes are why I got extra dmg and cleave when I hit 3 or more

[sleek cairn]

@quick fossil Visual representation of u shooting a plasma at enemy

[quasi dust]

getting those 10 stacks from melee makes that shotty rip through anything

[empty creek]

hey man, different shit same destination

just gotta find what works 4 U

[candid bridge]

Is %base dmg better than %close range dmg?

[near shore]

Lmao ya,if it works

[crisp bronze]

A well built revolver takes a surprisingly low amount of aim. You can crit one shot body almost every special and 2 shot body Maulers, Crushers need 2 crit headshots but they have pretty big heads anyway.

[tight dragon]

can i salvage this

[near shore]

I just like how I can quickly pop off a slug to drop something then swap back to melee

[empty creek]

no

[sleek cairn]

gonna be honest, i dont think u even need to headshot anymore with revolver. I just do it cuz i can

[candid bridge]

Hope for a good 2nd blessing and can reroll both perks. Speedreload is kinda nice but not the best

[sleek cairn]

i mean the hitbox is ridiculous

[near shore]

I'd like to see a little buff to the "melee kills with reload 3.3% of your mag from reserve" to 5% or even 4%

[languid stump]

Rank this skill tree rework

[placid solstice]

Did they make these unparryable recently? I know I've been able to parry crusher overheads before

[atomic zephyr]

be me
discover inspect function
inspect first level 30 i see
280 bull butcher
some things are becoming more clear

[wanton dawn]

Still born leader. Trash

[near shore]

You can parry it, just did a second ago

[empty creek]

personally wouldn’t know, ive always dodged those since i was never in the mood 2 find out if i could parry the sun falling on me

[placid solstice]

Gotcha, okay they're still doable then lol

[sleek cairn]

with dclaw, it's necessary to down crusher fast

[near shore]

Parry it,the devil claw allows you to parry DH even

[crisp bronze]

Yeah any enemies where you have to headshot them to 1 tap them. The hitbox is really, really forgiving.

[sleek cairn]

U have to parry a crusher with dclaw to kill it fast

[empty creek]

we’re talking AB the crusher/mauler overheads that 1hit

[sleek cairn]

ur practically fishing for the parry

[near shore]

Yes,I know, you can parry it

[empty creek]

news 2 me then, guess ive been clueless

[near shore]

You can even parry an plague ogryn charge

[empty creek]

I know that

all of the boss stuff can be parried besides barf & grabs

[near shore]

Ye

[placid solstice]

Its a very telegraphed attack, just make sure there isnt any horde that gets mixed in and activates your parry before the crusher squishes you lol

[sleek cairn]

@empty creek #veteran-class message faster kill with dclaw parry vid.

its easier to explain with videos lol

i see why he always posts them now*

[empty creek]

i usually only play T4/T5 auric so if there’s crushers or maulers, there’s usually also a horde so it’s not what im focused on

[languid stump]

I think they should rework enemy spawns so Ogryns no longer spawn in groups

[empty creek]

dude’s got a library of this shit huh

[crisp bronze]

Plague Ogryns are the easiest parry in the game. No one can change my mind. Stomp? Parry. 3 hit combo? Dodge twice, Parry. Uppercut? Believe it or not... parry.

[sleek cairn]

other ppl post too.

he just posts more of the melee stuff

[languid stump]

Chaos spawn is also super easy. Just hold block and dodge back if it tries to grab

[empty creek]

dude, blocking the stomp deals max stam damage but parrying it does normal stam damage

it’s so good

the DH is kind-of rough since U cant out-regen the stamina dam as it comes in so U gotta do a lot of dodging

[scenic bronze]

Parry it all

[empty creek]

get out of jail free card

[inland orchid]

Mfw im trying to parry a chaos spawn while in a corner and he hits me with a command grab (I did not spot dodge in time)

[crisp bronze]

I have more trouble with them. They always seem to grab me. Always. Probably just the dreaded bad internet debuff.

[languid stump]

What do you guys think about the new mission? It reminds me of the World War Z game, which I used to play for hours

[languid stump]

If someone has frag grenades or shout they can get the chaos spawn to drop you

[empty creek]

it feels way harder than the rest but only because the ending sequence is just a series of wide open areas

[inland orchid]

the final area before u extract can be chaos incarnate if u don’t deal with shooters, real fun

[candid bridge]

For melee weapons, is % base dmg or % close dmg is better?

[empty creek]

the streets & alleys R cool & i wish the game had more claustrophobic maps like that that aren’t just another factory or smthn

[sleek cairn]

try smokes

[languid stump]

I don’t mind that, I just wish it didn’t horde spam

[sleek cairn]

i used smokes twice for the final part, it made it so easy even on vent purge lol

[empty creek]

NGL the horde spam is fun, just more shit 2 kill

[sleek cairn]

i couldnt see shit, but i was safe

[empty creek]

until gunners show up

[near shore]

Personally love the new map

[south garnet]

The day they nerf parry is the day I scrap every last claw I own

[inland orchid]

Word I’ll keep that in mind even if I’ve been just rocking krak for a while

They did give smoke stagger on explosion beforehand so I shouldn’t turn a blind eye to it

[sleek cairn]

yes they did. it staggers bosses

[crisp bronze]

Try out smokes on the new map. Seriously. I enjoy using smokes, but if you want to try them out the new map is excellent. Tons of long range sightlines with tons of gunners.

[sleek cairn]

Smokes really really work if u know ur spawns n layout

[languid stump]

I remember I got this:

1. Melee horde

2. Chaos spawn

3. Shotgunner horde with gunners and a reaper

4. Another chaos spawn

5. Infinite ragers

This was all on regular damnation

[south garnet]

Smoking is bad for you

Cigarettes on the other hand at least make you look cool

[empty creek]

my last game on that map was 2 ogryns 2 zealots & the ending sequence only spawned poxwalkers & gunners

[nimble sentinel]

the emperor protects my lungs, idiot

[empty creek]

the entire time, no other specials

there was @ least 20 guns firing @ us & nobody had any good ranged weapons

[tulip condor]

Not trying to be a dick or nothing but....

If y'all play like my average experience from the LFG peeps, I really, REALLY, think most of the shit everyone complains about are more based on your skill issues.

If you can't: hold your own without someone to babysit you, expect your team to automatically follow you, rarely tag enemies, OR (personal favorite) your the type of player who has no situational awareness (fighting in a bad spot, checking on mates, taking ammo/nades when someone else is low, etc. YOURE the problem.

Something to think about.

[empty creek]

(we lost)

[sleek cairn]

take grenade tinker smokes, it's so absurd.

[inland orchid]

I tell myself this every time I smoke a bowl before running darktide

[sleek cairn]

i have no idea why i need permanent smokes but i like it

[inland orchid]

Definitely been workin

[languid stump]

The important bit is to bring a gun that either has range or can suppress

[crisp bronze]

I counter that with the smoke grenades amazing inspection animation. Your character spins the pin around their finger.

[inland orchid]

Oh wait shit I forget weed is still considered illegal in some places, I can’t chat bout it

My fault mods

[south garnet]

Interesting theory but my anecdotal evidence points to everyone else is the problem, not me. Checkmate atheists

[sleek cairn]

holy shit i forgot

that IS a dealbreaker

[empty creek]

yeeeeah, makes it not fun 2 play other classes when i can’t be sure that everybody else isn’t just bringing shotguns or smthng fun

[sleek cairn]

alright im running smokes only for the rest of this patch

[frank ether]

depends on if you're ok with speedload

[empty creek]

does this proc every time U inspect or

the pin spin was always in

just low chance

[south garnet]

This is genuinely the first thing I've been told about smoke that makes me actually want to carry them

[nimble sentinel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/py_8g5WVBfA?si=LUhsz0p5v62m0web

[crisp bronze]

It's great for passing time in elevators.

[sleek cairn]

besides smoke grenade lasting for all eternity?

lasting longer than tags lol

[south garnet]

Do they?

[languid stump]

Idk, frags have come in really handy more than a few times

[sleek cairn]

i think it's like 30s if u go grenade tink lol

[south garnet]

Oh, well yea

[sleek cairn]

oh nono, frags are great. i wasnt comparing

[frank ether]

considering how little use they have and you invest points into grenade tinkerer for it, it better last

[south garnet]

I ain't spending a node to buff smokes though lol

[sleek cairn]

i was just meme-ing. I wanted to have fun smoking

[empty creek]

getting a double smoke throw 😍

[frank ether]

lmao

[languid stump]

We should be allowed to carry 6 frag grenades

[empty creek]

chiefin dat loud 🗣️pack🔥 w/ the ugliest ogryn i know

[frank ether]

twinned blast should just refund you a grenade if you have smokes

[sleek cairn]

U dont know how good it feels til u throw twinned smokes in Lights out or Vent purge. lasting 30 seconds each with all nade regen talents

just change all ur map names to Silent Hill and go forth

their tagging won't outlast ur smoke

[south garnet]

Tinny is hotboxing the valkyrie again

[mystic belfry]

It should do that for all three.

[misty delta]

bro’s tryna cover the world in shadow over there

[frank ether]

I'd prefer it that way

[tulip condor]

amusing since i literally just said from my own experience. could play a match together so I can see if which issue(s) you have or if it really is everyone else besides you being a problem

[frank ether]

though kinda redundant with grenade regen

[wild reef]

i can FEEL these nerfs this shit sucks :(

[frank ether]

twinned blast just doesnt make sense in general

on a class that prints nades every minute

[mystic belfry]

Double grenade throw only twenty percent of the time just ain’t good

[misty delta]

twinned blast for smokes should do the thing it does for krak where it moves the nade slightly to the left

[frank ether]

having second grenade eco talent would be odd

[near shore]

Y'all think I'd be a nice keystone node for middle tree that does "at max stacks,3 priority targets are highlighted ( doesn't consume stacks)"

[languid stump]

I think they should add a new monstrosity

A combat servitor! With like a shield and heavy stubber

[south garnet]

I really do hope I'm the problem player. Nothing would bring me more satisfaction than knowing I'm the source of my team's angst and misery

[wild reef]

they should add a gun to darktide

[crisp bronze]

If you want to try out smokes the new map is genuinely built for them I swear. So many long sightlines.

[frank ether]

smokes are so large that it wont work, it would have to throw them at like 30 degree angles or something

[misty delta]

elaborate

[sleek cairn]

when u throw smoke at gunners and they start zigzagging trying to reposition. it causes absolute mayhem

[south garnet]

I may do, seems like the right environ

[languid stump]

She dark on my tide till I warhammer 40K

[wild reef]

a gun like thoes things that go pew pew

[sleek cairn]

like i'll try to melee a gunner but they'll just zigzag between two points in smoke lol

i'll keep whiffing

[empty creek]

it makes sense from the standpoint that everything in the skill tree is supposed 2 make U better @ certain things & 4 a class that’s all AB fighting from a distance, hucking as many frags as possible is a priority

[misty delta]

oh yeah for sure but at least it’d add like 1m of range kekw

[mystic belfry]

I just throw a frag at gunners

[tiny summit]

Or that first defense event. I swear I always get like 5 scab gunners from different angles

[misty delta]

interesting

[frank ether]

frags are the only exception where twinned blast is actually good btw

[empty creek]

i have polite yet stern conversations w/ gunners regarding their views

[languid stump]

They’re trying to kill you of course they’d set up a blast zone

[frank ether]

cause frags are mainly for bleeds, and two frags means double bleeds

[languid stump]

Big if true!

[spark helm]

Remember: cqc needs sightlines.

[sharp epoch]

Twin blast at 20% is still a joke

on average thats 5 grenades per proc

[misty delta]

even on frags I find it hard to take twinned blast over something else because we have. no. points!

[wild reef]

ikr so interesting indeed good sire

[mystic belfry]

And even then, it’s not reliable enough to run

[spark helm]

If the whole map is mostly cqc, who is gonna stop you from turning off the lights?

[frank ether]

I'd just rather take tinkerer if I have the point

[spark helm]

The shootets

[mystic belfry]

Even if you have four shredder nades and throw all four, on average none of them will be twinned

[misty delta]

twinned blast is only good some of the time 20% of the time kekw

[mystic belfry]

It’s just crap

[sharp epoch]

inb4 they rework vet again and make it mandatory like born leader

[frank ether]

oh god no

[tiny summit]

Imagine twinned ogryn bombs

[frank ether]

anything but that

[misty delta]

plus who the heck is running out of shredders

[mystic belfry]

It need to refund nades, or be a cooldown effect with 100% chance or something

[frank ether]

cooldown effect would work

[mystic belfry]

Could also be a trigger effect somehow

[frank ether]

but western game dev moment

[ruby fulcrum]

Cooldown would be incredible. Every X seconds reduced on elite kill? Or just every X seconds I don't care

[frank ether]

cant have shit without RNG

[tiny summit]

X kills for a double grenade throw

[mystic belfry]

Similar to waystalker double shot, though harder to trigger

[empty creek]

twin kraks is kino when ur fighting a horde FYM

[sleek cairn]

but plush is right, 30s smoke is pretty freakin overkill

[misty delta]

90% of twinned blast gamers quit before they kind of maybe not really win big

[vital phoenix]

Does plasma even have a real dump stat? i guess ammo/thermal, but its not bad to have either, right ? Also, is bittle on shot worth having as perk ?

[sleek cairn]

i have never wanted my smoke to last a full 30s but here we are.

[empty creek]

they changed the twinned krak throws so 1 will still where U aimed

[mystic belfry]

Damage

[sleek cairn]

like fuck that one spot in particular lol

[crisp bronze]

You throw the smokes inbetween you and the enemy if they are far away. Mid range it can be better to throw them on top of the enemy to get them to run at you into melee. A smoke at your own feet is probably the most situational use of smokes tbh. But it does have it moments.

[languid stump]

Hey gamers, I’m a progressive liberal capitalist just like you. I was wondering if there is a way in Warhammer 40K: Darktide (2022) to engage the enemies in Warhammer 40K: Darktide (2022) in a peaceful and intellectual debate in the marketplace of ideas? I don’t want to kill them because that would make me just like them. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, gamers! 👍

[empty creek]

HELP HELP HEL

[mystic belfry]

No, we’re full

[vital phoenix]

u mean because dmg only affects dmg against trash tier mobs and its not needed ?

[gloomy kestrel]

Does ranged finesse not work for plasma?

[frank ether]

bruh going for pacifist run

play stealth zealot and run through the map

[mystic belfry]

I’m just memeing, there’s not a great outright dump stat

[tiny summit]

I think it was before the patch but have a clip of a krak being thrown at a chaos spawn, it leaps, grenade goes off, chaos spawn instantly dies

[vivid charm]

Only the coward seeks compromise

[vital phoenix]

ah ok, yeah, figured. thanks. Do you know if shaterring impact is worth having on it ?

[empty creek]

smiling & waving @ ur neighbors is punishable by death here

[mystic belfry]

Not really. The main one you want is crit chance as you gain charge

[sleek cairn]

alright im going in with all smokes n nade talents. wish me luck

finding a vent purge or lights out , wait

[empty creek]

me saying “brutal horrific vicious morning” whenever i pass the local astartes

[mystic belfry]

I’d wish you luck but I’m too busy coughing up a lung

[sleek cairn]

this game doesnt let u votekick until 3 teammates agree right?

[vivid charm]

You will find yourself lacking

[tawdry swan]

you see sir i am built different, just get better rng bud, skill issue.

[sleek cairn]

im not being serious, im just trying it for memes

[tiny summit]

Just a chaos spawn dying immediately https://youtu.be/DRogQZUZYtc?si=mDicOmswsPI8djAQ

[languid stump]

Guys, the enemies in Warhammer 40K: Darktide (2022) keep killing me even when I try to engage in a peaceful debate with them? They don’t seem to care about the importance of the free market or how both sides are equally bad. What can I do?

[vivid charm]

Yee I do wish you luck tho

[sleek cairn]

lol the point taxation i took to do this

[dusty ferry]

KILL OR BE KILLED

[mystic belfry]

I’m going to bonk you like skaven trash tbh

[tawdry swan]

lmao

[empty creek]

skaven got me fucked up

[vivid charm]

Let a obese megalodon bless the smoke nade with some form of useful ability

[mystic belfry]

Turn around and bend over, they see it as an offer of peace

[frank ether]

make it fire extinguisher, instantly top tier

[midnight mortar]

Too busy trying to find the minus key to fix exhilarating takedown. (They haven't found it for weeks.)

[sleek cairn]

tbh smoke nade has the rare ability to manipulate AI from afar. so this is just me practicing 4D chess with the AI director for memes

[digital gazelle]

worth getting?

[sleek cairn]

Im 4 parallel dimensions ahead of u mr.AI director throws smoke

[languid stump]

Guys, why won’t bigfish add a Great Unclean One as a boss in Darktide? I think that we, a group of unaugmented humans with substandard weapons, could easily defeat a Greater Demon of Nurgle.

[cosmic aurora]

Smokes should stim us or put out fires like counterstrike

[mystic belfry]

I can manipulate ai from afar with a bullet to the head

[midnight mortar]

I can also manipulate the spawn director by forcing it to spawn more enemies somewhere else to account for me killing the ones it spawned.

[vivid charm]

Yeah, it would give it more support ability

[crisp bronze]

Every time I run shout, I hope to see a chaos spawn. Everytime I do, I hope it jumps and I'm close enough to insta kill it. I haven't gotten it yet though. But someday I swear.

[sleek cairn]

shush. Im trying to roleplay

i can do this

[cosmic aurora]

Does that still work?

[digital gazelle]

shout can do that??

[ancient path]

Its an awesome start

[mystic belfry]

Quit it with this smoke and mirrors malarkey

[languid stump]

Thinking about the Zealot that killed a Beast of Nurgle in one blow

[sleek cairn]

lol i mean its not liek the game is so hard u'd lose with wutever build

[vivid charm]

Average ogryn random

[languid stump]

I remember turning around and it was dead and he was just staring at me

[cosmic aurora]

Mr President is that you?

[crisp bronze]

I think? It was never mentioned in the patch notes at least. Though those are a tad unreliable.

[empty creek]

ur joking but @ the same time, from a different perspective, we’re talking AB 4 man teams who go in2 horrific areas w/ no backup & somehow leave all perfectly fine w/ no terrible injuries after killing 1-3k people & things

[mystic belfry]

The pox bursters sure think I am

[sleek cairn]

u could drink some vodka and click random nodes n still solo ur auric maelstroms

[empty creek]

me

[languid stump]

Yeah, because for the most part we’re up against mindless zombies and drug addicts and people who have like five minutes of weapons training

[mystic belfry]

I solo auric with my eyes closed tbh

[empty creek]

nuh uh

[crisp bronze]

If you can stagger a chaos spawn mid-jump, it dies instantly. I saw a clip of someone doing it with the ogryns slap.

[mystic belfry]

I use my faith in the emperor to see

[languid stump]

It’s like putting former green berets against 50 heroin addicts and 3 body builders

[empty creek]

more like 300 heroin addicts & 50 body builders

[frank ether]

arent the mobians supposedly elite soldiers

[mystic belfry]

Your mother is an elite soldier

[empty creek]

all of whom have already killed the previous security forces, who were in greater numbers than U

[empty creek]

not elite but definitely seasoned

[languid stump]

Most of the scabs are. The dregs, however, are just bottom-feeders who worship Nurgle

[mystic belfry]

Skill issue tbh

[tiny summit]

Oh so that's what happened in my clip

[empty creek]

on goodness on gracious

[frank ether]

they look the part lol

[celest vine]

Funnily enough, the dregs have a larger health pool then scabs

[empty creek]

cant believe a small portion of tertium went down the shitter over a single train releasing a fart cloud in a straight line

[digital gazelle]

is the infantry lasgun any good

[celest vine]

Veterans best overall weapon

[languid stump]

That part of the cutscene always makes me laugh, the train fart colloid

[umbral scaffold]

whats the optimal curio set up for vet?

[mystic belfry]

Logistics was the actually problem tbh

[languid stump]

It’s alright

[tiny summit]

Yea. Pick your poison. I like them all

[empty creek]

huge evil green cloud of doom

[digital gazelle]

I was gonna replace between the eys

[languid stump]

• 2 wounds and whatever else you want

[umbral scaffold]

no

[languid stump]

Wow that’s pretty good

[mystic belfry]

+2 wounds in vet?

Why

[crisp bronze]

The Mobian 6th is meant to be elite. The Mobian 21st, the poor guardsman in the new cutscene are shown to be not elite by a complete lack of cover usage. Compared to the 6th who have the tactical genius to use cover.

[languid stump]

I get downed a lot

[fervent cairn]

Is Exhilerating Takedown still broken?

[umbral scaffold]

youre replying to the wrong guy

[celest vine]

I run wound, health, and toughness

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[frank ether]

nah they know they have plot armor

[tiny summit]

Yes. Being addressed next hotfix

[mystic belfry]

True

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark has not yet found the minus key.

[empty creek]

fuck i ran the game w/o realizing it updated & didn’t run the script so my mods would work

[mystic belfry]

Stop doing that

[empty creek]

doom & gloom

[languid stump]

No

[thick kestrel]

the Dregs are underhivers and gangers who worship nurgle and took out the Water Cartel, the Scabs are a corrupted guard regiment who turned traitor on campaign and rebelled once they got back to Tertium.

there's also implications that they've got supporters up in the spires of the hive which would explain why they got back to their home planet rather than recovering elsewhere (typically the Imperium doesn't send Regiments home)

[midnight mortar]

*next patch, according to Catfish.

[fervent cairn]

Thanks

[empty creek]

intense debate

[tawdry swan]

Tbh I took Twinned Blast here as my last point bc I got Tinkerer so I'm like, lemme double down on nades.
But realistically I'll probably drop both so I can grab Tactical Awareness or Leave No One Behind.

But I don't think I can justify dropping anything else to grab both.
Or to grab the suppression immunity and 25% ammo on left, as much as I like those.
What do you guys think?

[umbral scaffold]

what perks should you run on your curios

gunner resist?

[empty creek]

we don’t know

never ask ever again

[outer mulch]

is it still reccomended to set worker threads to one?

[forest blaze]

new focus target just shreks monstrosities

[digital gazelle]

also what would be a good infantry lasgun tree build

[tawdry swan]

go-to's tend to be sniper resist bc snipers can be so BS

[frank ether]

thats just dumb, dont do that

[tawdry swan]

and like

[frank ether]

unless you're gaming on a core 2 duo or something

[umbral scaffold]

left side

[tawdry swan]

just.. toughness and stamina stuff

[fervent cairn]

Does Confirmed Kill work atm?

[celest vine]

I run +5 health and toughness on all, and have gunner resistance, toughness regen, and revive speed as the third

[outer mulch]

That was a recommended fix for gpu issues last year

[celest vine]

I dont like dying

[languid stump]

We also have access to bolters, plasma guns, and a wide variety of lasguns and stubbers, while the majority of the Scabs just have the basic infantry lasgun

We have superior firepower, while they have numbers

[frank ether]

last year had a lot of snakeoil advice

[empty creek]

don’t they have tanks

[languid stump]

No

[frank ether]

also last year the game was broken

[celest vine]

Yes but they have heavy machineguns

[languid stump]

Yeah but we have psykers

[empty creek]

they had a tank in 1 of the missions

[analog blaze]

What is plasma next to them sniper rifles?

[languid stump]

Morrow explicitly says that tank is broken

[empty creek]

true, he does say that

he bitches AB how it got abandoned

[tiny summit]

Gimme the scab gunners lasgun

[empty creek]

thought melk wasnt selling mid 4 once but i peeked the stats

[minor brook]

i hope they dont put the survivability perks far away when they revamp vet again

[languid stump]

I mean the majority of enemies are poxwalkers and groaners, along with those bruiser guys

Basically anyone can kill poxwalkers en masse, and the bruisers have shitty clubs and swords which pale in comparison to our chainswords and power weapons

[minor brook]

its just the taxes to live that i need before i can actually take keystones

[grizzled pebble]

Babushka drip?

[empty creek]

the hobo i gave a rifle yesterday

[crisp bronze]

Then again... I heard Morrow was in the battle of (insert planet)! They only won through the mechanized divisions fighting to last screw! Maybe thats why he cares so much.

[languid stump]

The homeless man outside Hadron’s shrine watching me reforge my weapon 15 times after I told him I don’t have any plasteel:

[grizzled pebble]

Let me see if I have any ragged clothes.

Hobo man with a power sword?

[ruby hull]

I need to ask, why is all of heresy triggered by a vet using a knife in melee, it's super funny

[languid stump]

I find it suspicious how there are so many lines referencing genestealers

I definitely think that could be interesting—also, I kind of wish there were missions where you were deployed during an intense battle between the PDF and the Moebians, and you have to like sneak through the back entrance and open up the door so the tanks can roll through

[tiny summit]

The auric operative showing up to the brief dressed like that

[crisp bronze]

Looks qualified to me. But what do I know?

[ruby hull]

Looks like a character from fallout

[grizzled pebble]

[ruby hull]

I approve

[quasi dust]

Special forces dudes never look like army people who are following regs.. i approve of auric hobo look

[tiny summit]

True

[crisp bronze]

I enjoy the in-game meme between the rejects where Morrow is this mysterious legend that has taken part in every major battle of The Imperium for the last 200 years.

[mystic belfry]

They have better snipers than we do. And their flamers leave a pool on the ground

[final locust]

what sort of hobo can afford a radio pack

[grizzled pebble]

I took it off now. Hobo has no backpack.

[final locust]

epic

[grizzled pebble]

Actually this backpack is kinda cute for hobo man.

[mystic belfry]

Change weapon to a shovel or knife and a revolver for hobo look

[crisp bronze]

They don't have better snipers. We simply don't have any. Long-Las when?

[atomic zephyr]

shovel is the best vet weapon for survivability right? what blessings should i use for it?

[final locust]

hobo man be like: feeling cute might delete later

[topaz lance]

We snipe with shotguns and revolvers

[mystic belfry]

Chain more than two attacks for bonus damage is the main one

[grizzled pebble]

Hobo stole power sword and columbus infantry gun from the ded guy next door.

[atomic zephyr]

decimator?

[mystic belfry]

Decimate yeah

It adds power

[atomic zephyr]

decimator hammerblow looks funny

[mystic belfry]

Which is good for a lot of reasons

[atomic zephyr]

or trauma

[frank ether]

decimator takes like 10 hits to stack

[hasty flame]

Shovel goes bonk

[mystic belfry]

Power is damage, cleave, and stagger

[crisp bronze]

I can appreciate Darktides shotguns having a semi realistic range compared to a lot of games where shotgun pellets apperently burn up in the atmosphere after 10 meters.

[frank ether]

I prefer the push blessing over it

[mystic belfry]

It’s really good

[mystic belfry]

Yeah

[quasi dust]

the real question is when are we getting some jungle cosmetics? I need to cosplay Sly Marbo

[final locust]

never

[atomic zephyr]

ooor brunt can just not give me a shovel above 340.

thanks brunt

[final locust]

real question is when are we getting some more story content

[quasi dust]

we just got some? lol

[atomic zephyr]

200k dockets on shovels and not a single one above 360 wtf brunt

[sage cedar]

Veteran Sharpshooter armor at home

[crisp bronze]

Best curio stat is actually +dockets because it gives you more rolls at brunt.

[atomic zephyr]

real

[final locust]

omg is it actual story content

[quasi dust]

i mean... a little lol

[topaz lance]

Very first set was actually an acid dogs set.

[final locust]

or

[atomic zephyr]

literally the best one i got

pain

[final locust]

is it just a new map with recycled mission objectives

[atomic zephyr]

new new map

fresh objectives too

[final locust]

goooooood

[atomic zephyr]

and it seems like theres some actual plot now

[digital gazelle]

fellas I need help coming up with a veteran lasgun build, as the older one i used doesnt work anymore

[final locust]

ok, this is epic

https://tenor.com/view/voiceoverpete-dab-dabbing-epic-now-this-is-epic-gif-13340330

[quasi dust]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835044006232215 search here, friend 🙂

[atomic zephyr]

like its not just "uuhhh yeah go kill this guy"
the idea is that captain wolfer is distributing combat stims from the carnival district and we have to raid it and steal the stims

[torpid fractal]

damnation quickplay after each patch getting instances where there's a vet and a bot vet, and the bot vet is outperforming the player and outliving them significantly

[atomic zephyr]

plus its the first map with interactable elements that actually affect enemy spawns

two gates in the final arena can be closed

[crisp bronze]

And it has some interactables that actually affect gameplay! The ending has 2 gates you can close to lower the pressure for awhile. It's pretty neat.

[final locust]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[atomic zephyr]

damnation quickplay with another vet is either total garbage or the most satisfying synergy ever

[forest maple]

I wouldn't really call that "interactable"?

[atomic zephyr]

there is no in between

[forest maple]

i mean its practically nothing 😛

[atomic zephyr]

as opposed to literally nothing

on the other maps

[forest maple]

Sure its a very tiny little start

From what can be

[quasi dust]

ita actually very noticeable when you close them too

[forest maple]

Imagine missions where you are being escorted, or are escorting moving tanks. Imagine rescue missions with dialogue

[empty creek]

lol

[crisp bronze]

The only non objective interactables so far have been doors and crates. This is a start as you said. I hope to see more of it.

[forest maple]

imagine flying to another point inside a mission

Imagine moving through a warzone where stuff happens outside of your playable level

[quasi dust]

are elevators not enough for you? lol

[forest maple]

even just visual

[worthy pelican]

might get something like that at some point

[thick kestrel]

still hoping for more of Masozi occaisonally providing a bombing run in some missions. even if it's just blattering a ton of pox walkers :>

[wooden geode]

Anyone know what ranged finese is?

[worthy pelican]

headshot dmg

[mortal horizon]

is this worth picking up? or 61 cleave dmg is bad. rampage 4 and flak 3, with decentish stats

[crisp bronze]

Finesse is your crit damage, crit chance, and weak point damage.

[mortal horizon]

not sure i would use it over a ps6 but

[onyx tangle]

why pain?

[floral sable]

While i do have slaughterer and even power cycler 4 in my blessing pool, i am thinking about changing both perks to maniac and flak

[atomic zephyr]

would prefer 360+

hadron dumpstered it anyway

[onyx tangle]

but decent spread no?

oh okay

I'm not down with all understanding of stats

[serene sage]

Is it actually crit chance?

[onyx tangle]

I like shovel because heavy attack go clunk

[atomic zephyr]

it is a decent spread which is why I bothered upgrading it

lol

[serene sage]

At this point idk what finesse does anymore

[floral sable]

Or is melee crit chance any good if i already went right bottom tree which got some nice crit stuff too?

[hearty frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932159318235676674/1174773750458241074/TwitVd.com_1700151219.mp4

Happy birthday to the father of all fps main-characters

[crisp bronze]

Maybe? I might be combining Finesse and Critical Bonus. Finesse 100% affects crit damage and weak point damage though.

[digital gazelle]

how does this look as a potential base?

[minor brook]

thats pretty nice

[dusty ferry]

Good

[minor brook]

wish stopping power was a wee bit higher

[dusty ferry]

I would go for more ammo but this will do

[floral sable]

Isn't high charge on plasma bugged or did they fixed it?

[minor brook]

actually high charge rate lowers damage

for some reason

bugged interaction

heard volatile fixes that

[serene sage]

Would you hate me if I say keep digging? That stopping power has a little more to be desired

[crisp bronze]

Pretty good! Ideally stopping power would be 80 as well. But that is perfectly servicable.

[serene sage]

If you are plushed with platsteel then go for it

If not I'll keep trying

2c

[unique sorrel]

todays hotfix is lit

[minor brook]

try to get high damage and stopping power

and around 71% charge rate

thats the sweet spot

[minor brook]

higher than 71% is bugged and lowers damage

[serene sage]

Nice load time bro, going for the high score I see

[digital gazelle]

trying to see if this can be put on a build at all, obvs plan on editing perks and one blessing

[sleek cairn]

i heard it's to do with server tick rate. Why is that?

[copper pine]

Ideally, you would want flak, maniac with deadly accurate and headhunter. So it might rough

[minor brook]

not exactly sure, fatshark’s voodoo magic really confuses me

my guess is the higher charge rate makes it so that the game thinks you’re charging for less time?

[digital gazelle]

is headhunter/infernus any good

[copper pine]

Yeah they are fine on recon las

[minor brook]

its ok

struggles on elites

[sleek cairn]

to be fair, i think recon lasgun has a lot of flex getting away with bad stats

[serene sage]

I have 5 370+ BST auto guns

all of them have sub 60% stopping power

why

[sleek cairn]

gross

lol

[serene sage]

which autogun is the ads one?

columnus?

[sleek cairn]

arent they all ADS

IAG's

[serene sage]

I mean to be used in the marksman tree

[sleek cairn]

agri columnus graia?

[copper pine]

Yes

[serene sage]

okay so all of them work

thanks 😄

[sleek cairn]

just making sure im not misinterpreting here

[serene sage]

I thought there's like a specific agun for left side tree

[sleek cairn]

didn't mean it wrong lol

oh nah, vets have it good in gun selection

use whatever the fk u want. on any side of the tree u want lol

[minor brook]

columnus is absurd

[serene sage]

in the 400 hours of gameplay I used like 3 guns 💀

Bolter, Plasma, and Revolver

[sleek cairn]

kudos to ur dedication man

[gusty sonnet]

Except autopistol. We dont talk about autopistol

[sleek cairn]

autopistol still has use!

[serene sage]

oh and a very breif period of Shredder

so I guess 4

remember when shredder used to terrorize Auric?

[sleek cairn]

its just the ammo econ on it is silly so nobody wants to use shredder lol

[serene sage]

i member

[gusty sonnet]

A shadow of its former self

Like I get it it was strong, but they didn't have to gut it so hard

[serene sage]

Pinning Fire nerf was huge

it hits both Shredder and Bolter

at least Bolter already does dumb dumb damage

[gusty sonnet]

Bolter was so absurd it was kind of a meme

[serene sage]

Now it's sub optimal, it has a niche

[sleek cairn]

it's time to put it away. let columnus and revolver save the day

[serene sage]

but like the draw speed is so bad

they should buff the draw speed buy a lot

[sleek cairn]

but then we have more same-y guns

[minor brook]

how different is bolter from day 1 bolter

the full auto was absurdly strong on monstrosities

[copper pine]

Pinning fire blessing got nerfed

[serene sage]

Lack of Pinning Fire (which is still BiS, just a lot less powerful), lack of insta reload Volley Fire

[sleek cairn]

instant reload volley fire oh lawd

[copper pine]

Bolter is still very good, you just have to aim it now

[serene sage]

Also since some people (myself included) don't take Exec Stance, draw speed suddenlty becomes a glaring problem

[minor brook]

are there still massive ammo problems

[gusty sonnet]

Yeah bolter is fine rn

[serene sage]

no, honestly, as long as you are responsible, not really

[serene sage]

nerf damage, buff draw speed

[gusty sonnet]

But it's identity is slow ass draw time and then let hell be

[serene sage]

I think that's a dumb justification

It's one of those "lore" thing affecting gameplay

I think plasma should one shot everything

and Revolver should do 1/3 damage

if we want to be consistent with "identity"

[tall torrent]

if we're doing complete lore accuracy then infantry lasguns should one tap any regular enemy that's not wearing carapace armor

[sleek cairn]

no pls dont say that. Dont do me like that

[stray storm]

I’ll definitely need to switch out the blessings but THIS

[sleek cairn]

Revolver should do 3x more dmg than now.

[untold mulch]

I heard dozens of Revolver fans screeching

[crisp bronze]

Here me out. Bolt pistol. Same damage as the revolver. 66% of the ammo. Full auto. Here for a good time not a long time.

[sleek cairn]

im hissing

heresy

[midnight mortar]

Revolver fans getting uppity...

[sleek cairn]

where are my pearls, i need to clutch

[midnight mortar]

They've had it good for too long...

[untold mulch]

They are forgetting their damage is a privilige

[vocal terrace]

what's the caliber of the revolver ingame btw?

[serene sage]

melee vets suddenly have a weakness???

[sleek cairn]

I shall never be weak, let me remain a god

[untold mulch]

.99 by the way it hits 💀

I have no clue if I said a possible number

[stray storm]

.50 Cal F U rounds idk

[vocal terrace]

I don't have good enough eyes to tell what the stamping on the casing is, but it feels like somewhere between .454 casull and .50SW, so I'd say the damage is decent to what it should do to an unarmored target

idk about AP damage vs carapace and flak though

[untold mulch]

Yeah, the problem is that a Crusher sitll dies to one shot

[crisp bronze]

Based on the size of the bullets it looks like some kind of modern rifle cartridge which fits for the absurdity of 40k. The wiki probably has answers.

[untold mulch]

tbf a minmaxed revolver

[vocal terrace]

maybe like 45-70?

would have much more recoil if so though

[untold mulch]

I said already

It needs a massive drop off

[sleek cairn]

i mean i linked it above earlier

since the tree rework i dont even want to headshot with revolver anymore

[vocal terrace]

most heavy/high caliber rounds are good at maintaining momentum

I would go for a recoil increase though

[sleek cairn]

they've gone beyond headshots lol. i just bodyshot

they buff it anymore, i'll be toe shotting

[tall torrent]

the imperium of man knows no recoil

[untold mulch]

🤔 I always thought it slowed down faster

or was it that they had more of a "drop"

[crisp bronze]

Meanwhile I'm pretty sure the auto guns are firing full auto 308. or something from the size of those supposedly 20-30 round mags.

[tall torrent]

8.25mm long rounds

they're supposedly just a little smaller than .338 Lapua Magnum? I think

[forest blaze]

First impression of the new focus target tree with infil, scav, plas, and frags is very good. I didn't realize you could have your stack timer entirely reset by tagging and killing an enemy. That's a huge W for the 8 stack uptime.

The extra 20-32% damage on the marked target is crazy strong against big targets. I see ogryns and monstrosities going down faster than before.

[vocal terrace]

No more of a drop, gravity acts consistently on all things, but they travel less far due to reduced velocity. Lighter rounds such as .22lr and certain 5.56 loadings don't maintain momentum due to their weight and lose a lot of energy over distance

[tall torrent]

which would place them as extremely effective in anti-personnel

[vocal terrace]

full auto 8mm mauser then lmao

[slow spade]

I just wish I could get my Ogryn + Elite damage again 😔

Fuck ragers

[tall torrent]

which somewhat justifies the erratic recoil

[untold mulch]

[celest vine]

Yes but 71 round mags on Graia braced

💀

[sleek cairn]

just use an OP melee wep

[tall torrent]

autoguns are loaded by 30r mags in the lore

[slow spade]

Brb rolling a chainaxe

[sleek cairn]

sadness

[slow spade]

Going to light spam just like chainsword :D

[vocal terrace]

strong recoil yes, erratic no, I would say the erratic nature comes from the recoil operation which seemes to be some form of blowback from how chunky the weapons are

[forest blaze]

Yah it's a bummer. I also am losing out on regenerating grenades every 60 seconds, which can lead to dry spells of grenade usage if there aren't enough specials spawning.

However... I think you can double dip on the marked enemy damage bonus since there is some overlap with the 5 stacks on target and the 5 stacks once the previous target was slain. I need to test it, but the icons show properly which leads me to believe you can double dip and ramp your damage.

[slow spade]

I like to think Hadron just bricked the guns too

[crisp bronze]

I would like to remind my fellow guardsman that canonically the M2 Browning machine gun is still in use in the 41st millenium. There is plenty of material with a "heavy stubber" that looks or is described suspiciously familiar.

[tall torrent]

yea that's what I mean
blowback system + full auto + big round

[vocal terrace]

essentially the recoil impulse hits the shooter a lot quicker and without dampening unlike other operations

[vocal terrace]

S&W light rifle moment lmao

[atomic zephyr]

theres pictures of stub pistols that are just 1911s

[brittle lava]

Any beans able to halp with this? I'm thinking replace Deadly Accurate with Headhunter, and crit with Unyielding. But I've not really used headhunters before so am not sure! I just know Opening Salvo seems to kick in remarkably quick on this gun, so I'm hesitant to replace it. And Maniac is always good

[atomic zephyr]

deadly accurate surgical

[slow spade]

Yeah and its a team-wide buff with that upgrade so still a substantial damage buff

[tall torrent]

swap opening salvo with surgical

[slow spade]

Rip on the nades though

[vocal terrace]

I think GW claimed that they were .38 at some point with a capacity of 6, which is weird for an oversized 1911

[serene sage]

Deadly Headhunter yeah

[tall torrent]

this is a PERFECT mkVII headhunter

[sleek cairn]

@slow spade i mean jsut join the rest of us. Shovel/Dclaw/Caxe/Psword. join the meta bandwagon

[vocal terrace]

I'll chock it up to 80s GW not knowing alot about them though

[sleek cairn]

ragers no more~

[atomic zephyr]

thats just a revolver

[tall torrent]

deadly accurate is great

[serene sage]

i dont think vraks7has surgical

[atomic zephyr]

it DEFINITELY does

source: i have one

[tall torrent]

headhunter autoguns have surgical

[slow spade]

Hadron said "you're a MK6 user now" to me some time ago

[brittle lava]

Gotcha, so replace Opening Salvo in either case since Deadly Accurate is really good, noice

[celest vine]

This is a cannonical autopistol

[brittle lava]

Ty beans

[slow spade]

Do not worry comrade I'm there UwU

[atomic zephyr]

DA is good but surgical makes it nuts

[serene sage]

you're right it does

[sleek cairn]

aha well shit, cool. It'd be nicer with unyielding and maybe brutal momentum

[forest blaze]

Yah. So you can double buff your team. 20% on target with an additional 7.5% base that you can just rotate through. It's not huge, but it's not a small difference either. At 8 stacks, it's very noticeable but I'm not seeing a full 8 on target AND a 8 stack team uptime.

The toughness regen on it is pretty awesome though. Teamwide toughness bumps are always beneficial.

[slow spade]

Unyielding is only for bosses, I use it for hordeclear mainly

[celest vine]

Stub gun actually

[tall torrent]

I've come to adore power sword for its lethality but despise it for defenses

[slow spade]

Ping keystone buff + For the Emperor damage buff

[sleek cairn]

alright as u please. that does work out

[celest vine]

Even in the far future John moses browning still has his firearms produced

[crisp bronze]

"Stub Pistol" when large catfish?

[slow spade]

Things better be dying UwU

[atomic zephyr]

devil claw 4 <3

[forest blaze]

With 8 stacks you can easily get to a 12% base damage buff for the team, then consistently be applying 15-20% damage buff against targets you keep marking throughout the fight. The damage certainly adds up.

[slow spade]

I do agree though, fuck bosses

[serene sage]

this badboy can 2 shot crushers uwu

[slow spade]

Yeah I need to push for like every fight

Blocking is like 40% stam lol

[tall torrent]

tag keystone kinda makes up for that ngl

[sleek cairn]

unyielding and brutal, awwww yeah motherfucker

[slow spade]

Trust me, I want a MK6 with brutal momentum but its hard to get one that's not bricked :c

[tall torrent]

I mean if u tag every elite u fight, u are getting very similar dmg as before

[sleek cairn]

see sheodoq? get one of these

[slow spade]

It does but I'm greedy

[serene sage]

i already changed it to BM4 and Maniac

[slow spade]

Poor 😔

[sleek cairn]

u make me sad

[gusty sonnet]

it's like that in every horde shooter. I.e. M16 in l4d2 has 50 mag with the size of 30

[slow spade]

I have the scoreboard mod to record all the ammo pickups I steal to maximize greed

[serene sage]

i didn't even brunt for it, it was from the normal shop kek

[slow spade]

Bruh

[forest blaze]

The focus target damage boost is enough that I switched from +unyielding to +maniac on my plas and I can now 1 shot ragers pretty consistently. Even better if I can get the +damage from infil and just go on a murder spree.

[serene sage]

just be lucky

[slow spade]

That's the nicest thing I've heard today c:

[slow spade]

True

[tall torrent]

trying to get a godroll mk2 combat axe is pain

[lucid heart]

TIL weapon specialist saves ur staged reloads. look at my ammo at the bottom right, i skipped to the last stage of the reload despite just now emptying my gun

[forest blaze]

[crisp bronze]

Thoughts on my Devil's Claw? Best one I've gotten so far. Also serves as proof anything above 360 can be good. The distribution is the important part.

[inland orchid]

Is good

[serene sage]

trying to aim headshot on plasma seems so finicky
sometimes i swear i hit and i dont
sometimes im just aiming body and i headshot

[sleek cairn]

if u just aim body everytime, nobody will be the wiser

loool

[serene sage]

good thing you don't even need to land headshots for Marksman Focus

[sleek cairn]

u can just pretend u meant to do that

mind over matter

[tall torrent]

not to mention the 30% weakpoint talent for plasma gun is only like 100 extra dmg

[forest blaze]

I was just about to say this. I was finding that MF was still working even if I didn't headshot

[tall torrent]

which doesn't hit any important breakpoints afaik

[slow spade]

To be fair, that is a notable increase vs ragers

Lets me 1-shot them

[forest blaze]

Pretty much. I'm not getting much mileage on this

[tall torrent]

aiming for headshots on ragers when they sprint at u wobbling their heads around seems much riskier than going for the good old bodyshot 2 tap

[slow spade]

I use it for breakpoints on my plasma

[serene sage]

i'd rather go left for plasma still

[slow spade]

Its not that bad imo

[tall torrent]

I went for 10% melee dmg and agile engagement at top

[serene sage]

middle seems so boring for it and i have revolver for right

[tall torrent]

that 10% melee dmg node is peak I will not be told otherwise

[slow spade]

But I have been testing with it

[serene sage]

oh that's my build currently 😄

just no agile though

[tall torrent]

This what I use now

[forest blaze]

This is what I've been running so far. It's been going well. MF i tried but I think MF is better with Executioner's since the focus stack trigger is a little funky, just giving you stacks when you didn't deserve it 😂

[slow spade]

Field Improv?

I genuinely forgot if that's what that talent is

[tall torrent]

big morale boost + more ogryn nukes

[slow spade]

The one above VoC that's not grenades

[slow spade]

Ah ok

[serene sage]

get tinkered nade imo

[slow spade]

I just legit forgot the name lol

[tall torrent]

nothing improves ur random's morale better than a medbox that heals them back to full

[serene sage]

*conditions apply

[slow spade]

I've been running this

[tall torrent]

it's been pretty clutch in my experience

[slow spade]

Still tinkering with it

[tall torrent]

tinkerer is not bad yes

[inland orchid]

“Hey where’d my corruption go?”
The vet in the back with upgraded medipacks and ammo packs:

https://tenor.com/view/what-can-i-say-youre-welcome-gif-9726990

[sour elbow]

Can I report that fat smelly melk as a heretic? He keeps giving my stuff I don't want. :T

[tall torrent]

real

[serene sage]

this is my Bolter build

but it's more like a weird hybrid build

melee for chafs/specialists
nades for elites
bolter for bosses/elites

[slow spade]

Surprised you don't run kraks to save ammo on bolter vs ogryns

[tall torrent]

anyone that goes for middle keystone is doing hybrid tbh

[sharp ember]

abusing a medpack for the toughness repair during a defensive segment

and there's a million shooters

[tall torrent]

it's just good

[serene sage]

CAxe2 can perma stun Crushers

[slow spade]

Ah

[serene sage]

And Bolter also deletes them
And Tinkered Nade also does a lot of damage

[sharp ember]

tinker shredder nades are so good

[serene sage]

they add up such that I don't need ammo aura, though fuck do I miss it

[slow spade]

Yeah I see tons of Vet run Fire Team now

[sharp ember]

aoe so big you'll hit the daemonhost in the next room

[slow spade]

Thankfully my build doesn't really require the 2 point tax its costing me

[serene sage]

yeah people really need to bring tinkered frag to the test room and see how absurd the radius is

it is twice as big as the explosion radius suggests

[pine plume]

holy 🧱

[serene sage]

not bricked, volatile to gets hot, infested to flak and you're good

I would mess with that plasma

[inland orchid]

Tier 4 shattering with no refines?

Very nice

[crisp bronze]

I prefer the speed aura because the path gives you agile engagement and the crit chance node.

[serene sage]

10% melee

[strange ledge]

Cos ammo drops got upped

[crisp bronze]

That too

[tall torrent]

10% melee dmg is just peak

[strange ledge]

• pathing

[tall torrent]

that's the most impactful travel node in the whole game

[serene sage]

Should be its own named node

[umbral scaffold]

So how bad is this?

[tall torrent]

What gun are u using

[orchid cloak]

its because running anything else is too expensive point wise for most builds

[crisp bronze]

What do you need the ammo for?

[tawdry swan]

what modifiers r worth it if ur trying the marksman's focus keystone?

[serene sage]

It depends on what is up top, nothing explicitly wrong with it

[orchid cloak]

if we werent stretched for points people would go back to scav

[umbral scaffold]

Laspistol 🥺

[umbral scaffold]

Straight middle

[tall torrent]

I think laspistol is stronger with deadshot + stamina refill (duck & dive + ghost / tag keystone + target down modifier) because it keeps your crits up at like 40%?

[umbral scaffold]

several people are furiously typing

[serene sage]

My take, it's fine! A bit sad you can't get Tactical Awareness

But can't have everything

[inland orchid]

How else would we pass u info, passively?

Borin

[sharp ember]

camouflage is great for passively building stacks while crouched or waiting for a horde to arrive

[umbral scaffold]

I like the movement speed buff, I feel fast asf and I'm always bouncing all over the place so it works well for me

[tawdry swan]

wait whats that perk that is bugged rn that does negatives for u instead of positives? wanna make sure im not using it

[obtuse dawn]

So what's the deal with volatile, blaze away seems super good but I see a lot of people go with volatile

[umbral scaffold]

when you gotta take a shit?!

[tall torrent]

lemme guess u have rev it up on ur chainsword

[tawdry swan]

oke ye i was gonna use that

[orchid cloak]

exhilirating takedown

[crisp bronze]

I haven't played laspistol enough to determine if it needs the ammo. But my first thought is to swap the ammo node and grab the auto reload node on weapon specialist.

[serene sage]

Exhilarious Takedowns

[umbral scaffold]

I used to, but it's not on this one yet

[spark arrow]

if you lean on the trigger youll run out. its very good though

[umbral scaffold]

It's pretty light on ammo, like 470 ammo without the extra

Like all pistols it suffers in the ammo department. So I took that extra 25% instead.

[spark arrow]

i think it has a higher than normal crit rate. if you take deadshot and shock trooper you probably wont need bonus reserves

[umbral scaffold]

Oh I burn through it eventually lol

[sleek cairn]

laspistol needs the ammo

the fire rate is too fast

i cant resist

blowing my load

[umbral scaffold]

Shock trooper makes it last longer but I'm bouncing all over hip firing, not taking the time to make every shot a headshot unless I can afford to.

[tall torrent]

yes

[sleek cairn]

like me, u also suffer. The need to release ur pentup laspistol energy all over their faces.

[umbral scaffold]

Like I see dude at 50y fuck off distance I'll aim and headshot him but the mob 4m from my taint is getting the hipshot dumpy

[tall torrent]

duck & dive + ghost keeps deadshot active for 25% crit chance
laspistol itself has 15% crit chance
veteran has innate 5% crit chance

so that's 45% crit chance

[pine plume]

I don't even want it though, that's the thing

[tall torrent]

almost half ur shots are crits if u can manage to keep stamina up

[umbral scaffold]

I switched precision strikes for deadshot we'll see how that goes

[rotund pasture]

blessings earned from an agripinaa shotgun can be applied to the kantrael and vice versa right?

[sleek cairn]

i recall there being a Columnus IAG Deadshot user

he was really brave

[spark arrow]

this is the build im using with laspistol. working pretty well in aurics damns

[crisp bronze]

Maybe I should try out Power Sword and Laspistol instead of the revolver. Probably slightly worse against specials and elites, especially Crushers/Maulers, but I can see it doing better when there are tons of basic shooters.

[spark arrow]

if you take onslaught laspistol can put down crushers pretty well. especially with dumdum/infernus

[sleek cairn]

good bye ammo lol

u need to tax point ur shock trooper n survivalist

especially if u dont melee ur bosses

[ruby veldt]

is brutal momentum + Sunder good on Mk3 power sword? what should I be looking for?

[spark arrow]

nothing in left tree down to shock trooper is wasted imo

[sleek cairn]

the damn laspistol consumes 2 shots per click

[umbral scaffold]

Infernus fucks on crushers I love it

[vital phoenix]

power cycler and slaughterer

[keen sedge]

yay or nay? i need opinions

[umbral scaffold]

Got tier 3 of it first roll on my laspistol

[sleek cairn]

Brutal Momentum is good

[ruby veldt]

thanks!

[terse idol]

You need the thing that increases the cleave rate

[umbral scaffold]

My current laspistol

[spark arrow]

you must run power cycler. you can pair it with either of the two you have and it will fuck shit up. i prefer brutal over sunder though. but you NEED power cycler

[crisp bronze]

True but I think in this scenario it might be better building the Laspistol for utility. The Power Sword deals with Crushers and Maulers just fine when used well.

[sleek cairn]

yes brutal momentum.

[spark arrow]

sometimes you just want space. it also bosses very well

[terse idol]

No

Power cycler

[ruby veldt]

ahhhh. I'll have to keep an eye out for power cycler. I remember it used to be super rare

[umbral scaffold]

It fucks on bosses and gives me breathing room when gunners pop up

[sleek cairn]

oh thats wut u meant haha

[vital phoenix]

why momentum over slaughterer ? power sword already has insane cleave outside of crushers

[terse idol]

The meta iirc is power cycler and something else....

Forgot which the 2nd was...

Maybe super charge?

[sleek cairn]

Brutal Momentum is the meta pick. Mixed horde clear, u want not the cleave but the ability to increase the number of Primary targets taking full damage.

[spark arrow]

heres the crappy thing. power cycler 3 is 2 charged attacks. power cycler 4 is 3 charged attacks before recharge. the difference is pretty significant. you really want power cycler 4. with precision strikes you can push attack combo a crusher to death. its so obnoxiously powerful at eliminating big threats

[sleek cairn]

weakspot helps with breakpoints if u need it too

[terse idol]

Why don't you just take super charge?

To go with power cycles?

[umbral scaffold]

Watched my Ogryn last night slap a Monstrosity off the edge of a bridge for an instakill

[spark arrow]

because it cleaves well already and brutal lets you hit breakpoints on crusher headshots with sword

[terse idol]

Hmm

[umbral scaffold]

Not my Ogryn but my pet Ogryn.

[sleek cairn]

yup, it's like 2 effects in one for psword

[crisp bronze]

Brutal Momentum is kind of an all in one blessing. The weak point damage bonus can let you 2 shot crushers and maulers with the push attack into light combo. While the infinite cleave on weak spot hits helps with hordes. There is a reason a lot of people recommend it. This is for Power Sword 6 btw.

[spark arrow]

you can literally push attack combo a crusher dead in 3 quick swings if you have brutal and precision strikes

[terse idol]

Neat

[ruby veldt]

oh that sounds perfect. Weaving the charge up between heavies is a little tedious so that would be nice to have

[sleek cairn]

yup! @crisp bronze hit it dead on

[spark arrow]

yea. also run 6 over 3

[sleek cairn]

heck even if u forget to charge ur sword, brutal momentum can make regular hits work lol

[spark arrow]

yea you dont need to charge as often as youd think. the finesse scaler on 6 fucks shit up even without being charged

[cold mason]

Is Columnus any good?

[sleek cairn]

great gun

[spark arrow]

i actually have a problem with PS6. the more i use it the more i find i cant use other weapons lol.

[pine snow]

There aint no feeling like swinging the charged ps6 to the beat of disposal unit

[crisp bronze]

Also Brutal Momentums damage bonus is active 100% of the time. No other actions needed.

[sharp ember]

ps6 being our best crusher can-opener, even better than axes

[sleek cairn]

coudl join me with Combat axes

it wont hurt

[spark arrow]

they feel like they kill to slow by comparison.

[sharp ember]

let chainaxe devour carapace

[sleek cairn]

you take that back.

Sir

im hurt

[crisp bronze]

Axe is a manual can opener. Power Sword is one of those electric ones.

[tall torrent]

u want power cycler 4 with brutal momentum/sunder

[red moth]

Hi, havent really tried any autoguns and have been wanting to get into them, any favorites? Would really help

[spark arrow]

teach me the ways brother. im trying to mix things up just to keep things fresh and every time i experiment im like, nah, ps6 does this better

[sleek cairn]

hmph, fk u guys. I never wanted to be one of the cool kids anyway

[spark arrow]

the graia and columnus iags are both very solid

dumdum/x for blessings

[tall torrent]

combat axe 2 is as competitive but worse to roll for unfortunately

[sleek cairn]

it's all i use but they look at me like that kid at the back of class

[spark arrow]

i have most of the blessings unlocked already. i just feel weaker, idk

[tall torrent]

it doesn't kill crushers or maulers as good but it's so so so so much safer

[spark arrow]

its better defensively i think

yea

[sharp ember]

infantry: generalist, automatic and huge headshot damage
headhunter: comfier burst/single shot recoil, strong against flak but weaker vs maniac
braced: cannot aim at all, but huge magazine, ammo, and bodyshot damage, agripiina is the favorite pattern

[south garnet]

tac axe used to be the only melee I'd use, carve up everything. Now tac axes are just trash and it hurts me deep down brother.

[misty delta]

how does one even build a caxe (asking for a friend)

[terse idol]

Uh, use a devil claw and parry everything

Devil claw fun

[sleek cairn]

painfully, it's hard to roll a good one

[spark arrow]

i have a perfect DClaw7

[misty delta]

okay but what am I looking for. I have the time and patience

[crisp bronze]

Devil's Claw is pretty nice. It excels in the place the Power Sword is Arguably the weakest, which is defense. The Devil's Claw parry gives supurb defenses while dealing a respectable amount of damage at the same time.

[sleek cairn]

one stat off and u dont one shot something. if u dont one shot something brutal momentum doesnt work in ur favor and u die on the inside lol.

[spark arrow]

i horde ok, but big boys show up and i shit my pants, dunno what to do besides backup and parry while trying to get some shots in

[civic bay]

Speaking of burst fire, I learned yesterday that you can swap weapons to stop the remaining shots in the burst lol

[south garnet]

you mean the guy I saw planting his feet, becoming a turret, RMB'ing his brauto and spraying multiple magazines into small groups of poxwalkers to gain stacks on his left keystone DIDN'T know what he was doing...?!

[sleek cairn]

hmm like this. Mobility is the only dump stat

U want 80 everything. no im joking

[tall torrent]

brutal momentum (mandatory)
headtaker (extra power & ez to maintain) / decimator (harder to maintain but has higher potential)

perks u want unarmored/flak

damage, penetration, finesse and first target much all be >75% for it to reach optimal breakpoints

this is for rashad mkII combat axe

[civic bay]

And for some reason I find that the recoil is less annoying for the burst headhunter guns when shooting from hip instead of ADS

[sleek cairn]

u should go to psykhanium with ur caxe2 and just test if u can oneshot the melee bruisers

as a first step

i can't say for every combination of stat lol

[misty delta]

ty all I wanted to know was blessings 😭

[sharp ember]

let him cook , maybe he was running deadshot too and farming ranged finesse stacks

[misty delta]

ofc I’ll aim for a god 380 roll. Sadge to hear that it needs it but I’ll get it eventually

[spark arrow]

how do you deal with hordes with rashad? push attack spam with brutal for sweeps?

[misty delta]

plus I’m already looking for those

[terse idol]

You dont need a god 380

Just that it dumps for mobility

[tall torrent]

380 on mkII combat axe doesn't matter if u don't have >75% on dmg, penetration, finesse and first target

the >75% on all 4 stats is the real pain to roll for

[misty delta]

emphasis on “aim for” but yeah ty for the info it certainly doesnt hurt to know

[languid scarab]

Decimator is at least easier to maintain now.

[sleek cairn]

yeah make sure u drag ur axe a little like Mordhau or Chivalry if u need to. Make sure u are one-shotting

or ur mixed horde clear plummets

[crisp bronze]

It's the same with the combat knife. You want near max rolls on everything except mobility.

[languid scarab]

Horde clear is just awkward with caxe now, you really have to watch your defence.

[tall torrent]

light attack spam click head
push atk to make some space

u have something like a 20% dodge distance difference vs power sword

like, that is HUGE

[frank ledge]

People are sleeping on shovel

[sharp ember]

i miss gaining multiple stacks of decimator on cleave, and the fact that shovel needs 10 instead of 5 stacks now hurts

[elder vessel]

Which one

[frank ledge]

veteran

[languid scarab]

It’s my favourite vet weapon

[spark arrow]

i just feel like our offensive weapon options are basically ps6/knife. axe is balanced and dclaw/shovel is defensive

[tall torrent]

good weapon but needs super specific blessings and is not that great if u don't have those blessings at high lvl

[crisp bronze]

I want to try it out. I just forget to spend dockets on rolls every few missions.

[tall torrent]

which is exacerbated by the fact that it has 10 blessings

[terse idol]

Oof

[tall torrent]

who came up with 10 blessings on a shovel

[languid scarab]

I use Thrust/Deci (w revolver) and it’s awesome. Thrust helps you ramp up very quickly.

[elder vessel]

best skin in the shop rn

[gusty sonnet]

I'm investing on multiclass weapons first, so that if they brick I get blessing for multiple classes

[sharp ember]

give me that.

[elder vessel]

Max Blessings on a weapon should be Six

[tall torrent]

the other braced autogun remodelled skin looks more tactical

[crude wind]

It's hideous

Why is there a sabre guard on a gun

[frank ledge]

Just did malestrome with a ton of crushers

[terse idol]

The red ruins it for me nooooo

Its not even a seal

[frank ledge]

shovel came in clutch

[sleek cairn]

caxe2 is no joke

u just need to run it for a while to get a feel

[crude wind]

Shovel feels amazing this patch

[sharp epoch]

just the heavies

[crisp bronze]

That's sorta the point as I understand it. It's an extremely good defensive option because it can stagger almost everything in front of you. Decent speed and dodges help too.

[sharp epoch]

barely

[tall torrent]

it's been good for a while I think

but

[frank ledge]

Rashad is good too

[tall torrent]

because vet can't dabble into a lot of stuff rn

[crude wind]

It's the 10% melee node

[frank ledge]

Just not SHOVEL

[crude wind]

Turns out

[tall torrent]

a melee that stands on its own

[crude wind]

10% to the shovel is pretty huge

[tall torrent]

does everything u need melee to do

is pretty good

[tall torrent]

that node is real peak

[terse idol]

Urghh

[crude wind]

I have manic infested uncanny skull breaker and it shreds

[elder vessel]

My Graia Brauto gonna fuck REAL hard now

[terse idol]

Can't even with the keystones

[crude wind]

Defo man

[terse idol]

Its so tight

[crude wind]

Legit af node

[deep fable]

any advice as i start the grind toward power cycler iv?

[sleek cairn]

shovel is a very very good wep

[terse idol]

Play damnation, buy grey power swords

[crude wind]

It never used to be

[terse idol]

Upgrade to blue

[sharp epoch]

10% melee is right under smokes so you gotta spend to get there or go smokes

[crude wind]

But now it's sick

[balmy flume]

I have to say
I am really enjoying an IAG/Krak combo this patch

[sleek cairn]

thats why i treat psword 6, caxe2, shovel and dclaw as top of the top for vet. each one a different playstyle. Which is fun

[elder vessel]

tfw you have to decide between the keystone you want

And +25% ammo

[crude wind]

Worth cause agile engagement is also sick in q a few builds

[serene sage]

1. Be lucky
2. Don't be unlucky

[crude wind]

Words to live by

[tall torrent]

+25% ammo is not that valuable imo

[sharp epoch]

Shovel honestly is not the best vet melee, even at its job of horde clear

[terse idol]

Well PS is still just insane

[upper jackal]

fuckin posted tha too soon

[crude wind]

Shovel's str is it's mega safe

[upper jackal]

one second

[crude wind]

So mobile and good at protec

[tall torrent]

shovel is strong because it's the safest melee u have

[crude wind]

And now it can kill the stuff it needs to

[spark arrow]

i got most of my tier 4 blessings just rolling up to blue and trying again. i dont have any math to back it up but it feels like rolling to orange is a waste